The Parliament of Portugal: "The Holodomor in Ukraine is the fault of the totalitarian Stalinist regime"

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On the Maidan street today is a big “European holiday”. On the eve of the Portuguese Parliament, something prompted the recognition of the so-called "famine" as "the genocide of the Ukrainian people during the time of Stalin's repressions." The Portuguese Parliament by a majority vote supported the resolution recognizing the 1932-1933 famine.

The Parliament of Portugal: "The Holodomor in Ukraine is the fault of the totalitarian Stalinist regime"


From the Portuguese resolution cited by the Ukrainian media:
Parliament condemns the famine and recognizes it as genocide, organized by Stalin’s totalitarian communist regime, and leading to the death of almost seven million Ukrainian citizens. ” The parliament condemns all forms of totalitarianism and crimes against humanity, such as those that occurred in Ukraine in the 30 of the 20th century.


Further, the parliamentary commission presented a “concretization” of what, in its opinion, “the genocide of Ukrainian citizens”, since the overwhelming majority of the Portuguese deputies had no idea what was going on ...

UNIAN cites this text:
The criminal communist totalitarian regime by forcible withdrawal of food, the blockade of villages and entire regions, the prohibition to leave Ukraine’s famine-ridden country, the collapse of rural trade, repressions against dissenters deliberately created for Ukrainians such living conditions calculated for their physical destruction. This regime policy is a crime against humanity under the UN 9 Convention of December 1948 on the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide.


Thus, the Portuguese parliamentarians also recognized their outstanding incompetence, starting with the use of the concept “Ukrainian citizens” and ending with the consideration of the tragedy of the famine in the USSR exclusively in relation to the Ukrainian population. The deputies of the Portuguese parliament, if it is so interesting to them, would be worth familiarizing themselves with history The USSR is not on the Maidan sketches, but on real archival sources, from which it follows that due to a number of reasons (one of the first is the climatic factor), hunger in 30-s touched millions of Soviet citizens regardless of what republic .

The main question: in Portugal, all their problems have already been solved (for example, with astronomical public debt, unemployment and colonized territories ...), if in addition to considering the issue of famine in the USSR, deputies have nothing to do?
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  1. +37
    4 March 2017 06: 40
    To get fucked !!!! That's just from Portugal, we have not heard how bad we are ....
    Cho, they too, like a giraffe, realized - "scold Russia - they will give money"? Ropes and balances were quicker than Brazilian Portuguese (This is an intentional insult to the Portuguese on the verge of a big knife ....).
    1. +8
      4 March 2017 06: 52
      Great migration of European nations,
      The Portuguese are moving to former colonies.
      During an official visit to Luanda, Portuguese Prime Minister Pedro Passos Coelho asked Angola for help.

      “We understand the difficulties faced by the people of Portugal,” said Angolan President Jose Eduardo dos Santos. “Angola is open to the Portuguese and ready to help Portugal.”

      Now there is a change of roles between the former metropolis and the colony. Angola plays an increasing role in the life of Portugal. If in 2002 Angolans invested, according to the Portuguese Institute of International Relations and Information (IPRIS), $ 2,1 million, then in 2009, investments grew to 156 million. Angolan companies account for 3,8% of the total number of companies registered in Lisbon exchange. Angola is Portugal's fourth trading partner and the largest outside Europe. Commodities from Portugal account for almost 20% of Angolan imports. ??????? Apparently from the famine. drinks
      1. +19
        4 March 2017 08: 33
        Well, Putin’s agent Aibolit worked in Limpopo. Now Portugal has someone to borrow money from. They still don’t know the main thing, Aibolit brilliantly fulfilled his mission and Putin sends him to the European Union, to treat patients on his head. Moydodyr is going to replace him in Limpopo, to teach Aboriginal hygiene so that they are less sick. In a couple of years, they will buy the whole of Portugal offal. wassat drinks
        1. WKS
          +7
          4 March 2017 10: 28
          In recognition of the Ukrainian parliament, the Lisbon earthquake and the subsequent tsunami of 1755 should be recognized as the genocide of the Portuguese people.
          1. BYV
            +2
            4 March 2017 12: 08
            But I wonder if there are other proofs other than ukrosmi? Or is this another fake?
            1. +3
              4 March 2017 12: 13
              Quote: wks
              In recognition of the Ukrainian parliament, the Lisbon earthquake and the subsequent tsunami of 1755 should be recognized as the genocide of the Portuguese people.


              So do the slop states.
        2. +4
          5 March 2017 03: 45
          Quote: Svarog51
          Well, Putin’s agent Aibolit worked in Limpopo.

          Not finalized .... He wouldn’t have to treat beavers, but BOMBERS .... Then Limpopo would stir on the Hudson ..... And he would scratch himself from the 45th dirty year ......
      2. +1
        4 March 2017 08: 50
        This is a private opinion, such as "we think so." So what? Tomorrow they will say that the earth is square. So what? Only pan-legcoles can rejoice about this. smile
      3. 0
        4 March 2017 15: 26
        "All Hitler’s Headquarters at Hitler’s Headquarters" (c) Makarych from the film "Only Old Men Go to Battle"
    2. +1
      4 March 2017 06: 54
      The order came ... "Forgive me, but we simply need to abandon our shit spoon. Forgive me again ..." feel
      1. +3
        4 March 2017 08: 47
        Quote: Prapor-527
        The order came ...

        But interestingly, if I go to a budget barber near the house - it’s cheaper in any way ..... 30 rubles for wrapping curlers .... Khoya is not relevant for me - I’ve cut my hair for more than 50 years. The grandson tried to grow a forelock and a pigtail
    3. +1
      4 March 2017 07: 00
      They are great, but we read Korotich. It was necessary to immediately learn Portuguese to understand world problems.
    4. +11
      4 March 2017 07: 13
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      That's just from Portugal, we have not heard how bad we are ....

      And what do you want, Portugal, the same Ukraine, only poorer. The fisherman is a fisherman ....
      And what is Portugal on the world stage? Trump will look for her on the map for a week.
      Nothing at all
      1. +13
        4 March 2017 07: 35
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What is Portugal on the world stage? Trump will look for her on the map for a week.

        I was 8 years old on a world map (a meter and a half) in my room in Portugal without driving a finger, I pointed with one poke. Like any other country. And now .... They don’t poke a finger in cards, but in Unified State Exam tests ... I’m thinking - maybe I’ll sign up for a natsigmar ... We got already and now, as well as girls and other young people .... Maybe we, VO veterans, will finally declare war on SMS style and general illiteracy in comments?
        I do not urge everyone to speak the language of Dostoevsky ... But can the ELEMENTARY rules be remembered? At least it goes and goes ....
        I apologize for offtopic, for the fact that someone with ITS grammatical beliefs could accidentally offend .... But I got enoughwhen even normal people here, in VO, write comments with “asychki” in the style of modern youth .. But we don’t even have to talk about green young ... Gogol was read in brief. In the style of modern youth: “Well, you understood what I wanted to say” ... Like monkeys - I beat myself with my paw ... beat - the cellmate understood everything without SMS ...
      2. +2
        4 March 2017 09: 03
        Alexander Romanov ...... And what is Portugal on the world stage?

        From January 1, 2017 UN Secretary General became Portuguese Antoni Guterres. I received the first bribe at this post from Ukraine. Of course, it’s not big, but it’s “first,” and it’s business to advise its fellow countrymen to memorize 2 words - “Holodomor, Ukraine” and pronounce them at the next meeting of the Portuguese Parliament. If Poroshenko hadn’t been greedy, but gave more, they would have memorized and said 4 more words - “glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes”. lol
      3. +2
        4 March 2017 10: 10
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what do you want, Portugal, the same Ukraine, only poorer. The fisherman is a fisherman ....
        And what is Portugal on the world stage? Trump will look for her on the map for a week.
        Nothing at all

        Yeah. And also they, just the other day, will spoil the whole Portuguese port, which they supply to Russia))) Let them send them to the famines ..
        1. 0
          4 March 2017 11: 03
          and then what to drink? three axes?
          1. +2
            4 March 2017 11: 07
            Quote: oldzek
            and then what to drink? three axes?

            Do homework, insist on a “darling” on cranberries and lingonberries, put a screw out of blueberries, blueberries, cloudberries ..... On a pinch of compote, cook on sea buckthorn. Three axes? Politically think the word chessss)))
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        1. +2
          4 March 2017 16: 24
          Quote: pl675
          ? you are a liar, a friend of novels, a liar and a goat provocateur from the slaughterhouse of a meat factory.

          Who are you?
          1. +3
            4 March 2017 16: 43
            I didn’t pass pigs with you on one lawn, I don’t need to poke.
            and if you’ve read my commentary, be so kind as to express yourself rather than throwing at me who I am in life and under whom I go.
            -
            1. +1
              4 March 2017 17: 14
              Quote: pl675
              I didn’t pass pigs on one lawn,

              free
              1. +2
                4 March 2017 17: 17
                expected, comrade watchman.
            2. +5
              4 March 2017 21: 39
              Quote: pl675
              I did not pass pigs with you on one lawn

              Even this is not trusted? Work on yourself and get access to geese Yes ..on the next lawn tongue
              1. +2
                4 March 2017 22: 03
                Are you Romanov’s lawyer, friend, matchmaker, brother?
                I don’t need your advice, thanks of course, but somehow I can handle the tolerances and lawns myself.
                essentially have something to say?
                1. +2
                  4 March 2017 22: 08
                  : Yes
                  Quote: pl675
                  Romanova, friend

                  Quote: pl675
                  essentially have something to say?

                  You you) fool
                  Quote: pl675
                  but somehow I can handle the tolerances and lawns myself.

                  On Monday, from 9.00, you’ll sign in for admission. I won’t sign it because fool tongue
    5. +11
      4 March 2017 07: 33
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      To get fucked !!!! That's just from Portugal, we have not heard how bad we are ....

      Apparently, it’s time in the Supreme Council to raise the issue of the GENOCIDE of the indigenous people of South and Central America ...
      1. +10
        4 March 2017 07: 57
        Quote: svp67
        Apparently, it’s time in the Supreme Council to raise the issue of the GENOCIDE of the indigenous people of South and Central America ...

        Awesome offer !!! A thousand pluses. It’s only if the opinion of the State Duma depended on these pluses .....
        And so - why not purcuapa? America, EVERYTHING that is happening in the world, is there. And we, if we do not want to be in a strategic plan such as some kind of Belgium, must and must show our rights and demonstrate strength ....
        1. +11
          4 March 2017 13: 42
          America, EVERYTHING that is happening in the world, is there. And we, if we do not want to be in a strategic plan such as some kind of Belgium, must and must show our rights and demonstrate strength ....
          Totally on your side. As the “Maestro” said - “I’m a little gape - they’ll eat me to hell!”
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    6. +2
      4 March 2017 07: 34
      The guys forgot Salazar, the dictator who ruled the impoverished Portugal for 40 years.
      1. 0
        4 March 2017 14: 19
        The Portuguese (those who remember mostly) have a good opinion of him by the way. I talked with them.
    7. +8
      4 March 2017 11: 19
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      To get fucked !!!! That's just from Portugal, we have not heard how bad we are ....
      Cho, they too, like a giraffe, realized - "scold Russia - they will give money"? Ropes and balances were quicker than Brazilian Portuguese (This is an intentional insult to the Portuguese on the verge of a big knife ....).

      Some statistics ...

      In just 75 years - from the advent of the first Europeans in 1519 to 1594 - the population in Central Mexico, the most densely populated area of ​​the American continent, has fallen by 95%, from 25 million to barely 1 million 300 thousand people. Just think about this number!

      For 60 years since the arrival of the Spaniards, the population of Western Nicaragua has decreased by 99%, from more than 1 million to less than 10 thousand people.

      In West and Central Honduras, over half a century, 95% of the indigenous people were destroyed. In Cordoba, near the Gulf of Mexico, 97% per century with a little. In the neighboring province of Jalapa, 97% of the population was also destroyed: from 180 thousand in 1520 to 5 thousand in 1626.

      And so - everywhere (!!) in Mexico and Central America. The coming of Europeans meant the lightning and almost complete disappearance of the indigenous population, who lived and flourished there for many millennia.

      On the eve of the invasion of Europeans in Peru and Chile, in the homeland of the Incas lived from 9 to 14 million people ... Long before the end of the century in Peru, there were no more than 1 million inhabitants. And in a few years - only half of it. 94% of Andean population were destroyed, from 8,5 to 13,5 million people.

      Brazil was, perhaps, the most populated area of ​​both Americas. According to the first Portuguese Governor, Tomé de Souza, the reserves of the indigenous population here were inexhaustible "even if we were cutting them into a slaughterhouse." He was wrong. Already in 20 years after the founding of the colony in 1549, epidemics and slave labor on plantations led the peoples of Brazil to the brink of extinction.

      By the end of the 16 century, about 200 thousand Spaniards moved to both "India". In Mexico, Central America and further to the south. By the same time, from 60 to 80 millions of indigenous people of these regions were destroyed.
      1. +2
        4 March 2017 11: 39
        This is really all genocides GENOCIDE
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  2. +1
    4 March 2017 06: 41
    Are they there in Portugal or something that they have beguiled ...
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 06: 57
      They did not confuse anything, just the next step in a single row with the EU. Brussels has long recognized the Holodomor, which means private confirmation will give Portugal the opportunity to get new loans.
    2. +8
      4 March 2017 07: 00
      Quote: Alex_Rarog

      Are they there in Portugal or something that they have beguiled ...
      Are they tzuki, in this Portugal forgot the "carnation revolution" of the 74th? It all started nishtyak, just like a "revolution of hydrology" - "all controlled by the people", no dictatorship and other verbal husk ..... And how did it end? The poorest country in Western Europe ... People live on 5 euros per day - and that's cool! When you buy a bottle of wine of the 86th year for 200 euros - you are not kissed only in a dup ... The tourist, of course, has something to see and, MOST IMPORTANT (!!!!), what to drink. And the rest .... Moreover, geopolitically - not even a mouse - MOLE .....
      1. +4
        4 March 2017 08: 37
        The main thing is why we need to go to Portugal and what we don’t have on the Volga - okian, sand and Port .. The first two are nonsense for housewives ... But they have Port wine like I have never drank in my fighting youth.
        1. 0
          4 March 2017 10: 29
          intrigued
      2. +1
        4 March 2017 14: 37
        But can you talk about "5 euros per day" a little more?
  3. +2
    4 March 2017 06: 41
    These wouldn’t be yapping there. If it weren’t for Russian planes, a famine would probably have come in Portugal.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 14: 20
      Just there Russo touristic very few.
  4. +2
    4 March 2017 06: 44
    This shows us all the "value of European education" - complete ignorance of history is evident. Europe was striving precisely for this, therefore, one should not be amazed at the abundance of meaningless and mediocre near-political pronouncements from one or another Euro illiterate country.
  5. +1
    4 March 2017 06: 45
    It is interesting, when the ruin collapses and the humcat disaster begins in this "Holodomor" they will blame us too?
    1. +2
      4 March 2017 07: 04
      So they will announce in advance how it was with Boeing over the Donbass.
  6. +1
    4 March 2017 06: 55
    They would talk about Portugal with an astronomical public debt, unemployment and colonized territories ... and the impact on this of the totalitarian Stalinist regime and Russian hackers. If Ukraine has time to learn a lot from "civilized" primates!
  7. +6
    4 March 2017 07: 00
    And what made everyone so indignant? Or surprised? If Belarus or, there, Kazakhstan said something like that b ... And so normal. Portugal recourse A light bulb will be lit, and salivation in our direction begins in Western countries.
    1. +6
      4 March 2017 08: 17
      Hi, Lyokha hi And most importantly - the opinion of Portugal is sooooooo important for Russia. After all, Portugal is a strategic partner, exporter and importer and one of the most powerful economies in Europe and the world ...
    2. +1
      4 March 2017 12: 12
      Quote: MPK105
      If Belarus or, there, Kazakhstan would have said something like this ...

      I’m not sure about Berarus! They screwed them a little like a valve on gas and oil, they got so foolish! Soon they will overtake Russia with Ukraine and Portugal. No. hi
  8. +4
    4 March 2017 07: 04
    since the vast majority of Portuguese deputies had no idea what was going on ...

    This is how in Europe they adopt resolutions to please the scoundrels, but on the other hand, to spite Russia. The history of Portugal is also rich in its nuances, so it would be better to hide their skeletons in a closet (before 1972 they themselves had an authoritarian fascist regime). It will soon come to the point that African countries will actively promote the muddy ideas of Ukraine.
  9. +5
    4 March 2017 07: 05
    It was always interesting why such resolutions at all? What will become less dead? Do not let Stalin "re-elected"?
    I would also clarify which territories are in question, maybe they did not know but Ukraine often changed its borders. laughing
  10. +2
    4 March 2017 07: 06
    It is necessary to submit to the Portuguese Parliament a resolution condemning the actions of my socks, which broke too early. I think the socks that were broken ahead of time will excite the hearts of the Portuguese deputies, they will affect their minds and they will devote due attention and time to this difficult and important issue for Portugal. ))))
  11. +4
    4 March 2017 07: 08
    The Parliament of Portugal: "The Holodomor in Ukraine is the fault of the totalitarian Stalinist regime"
    And these are the same. How are they there, in! Portuguese Though they will find Ukraine on the map? Say yes. I won’t believe it. What can I say so that they delve into the essence of the causes of hunger in the beginning of the USSR. If Ukraine insists that the reign of Brezhnev and Khrushchev declare the genocide of the Russian people from the Ukrainians. And Stalin, respectively, Georgian. And the Ukrainians won the war. Because the first and second Ukrainian fronts were. In general, people mixed up in a bunch of horses.
  12. +2
    4 March 2017 07: 08
    They regretted the Ukrainians, but the Russians. No. They still need to know. that the famine swept, in Ukraine, first of all, Novorossia (i.e. the Russian territory). in addition, the North Caucasus, the Volga region, etc.
    Thus, the majority of the victims were Russians.
    1. +2
      4 March 2017 09: 25
      There was hunger, and artificial hunger: those areas where the peasants refused to create collective farms and clung to their personal farms were punished. But not only Ukrainians suffered, as you rightly noted: both Kazakhs and the population of the Kuban. Indeed, millions died of starvation. And this really is one of the biggest crimes of the Stalinist government.
      1. +2
        4 March 2017 09: 54
        Quote: voyaka uh
        there was olod and artificial hunger: those areas where the peasants refused to create collective farms and clung to their personal farms were punished.

        Is this what the Portuguese Parliament tells you in Israel?
        1. +2
          4 March 2017 13: 51
          This was once told to us by an old woman in Moscow, the only survivor of the whole family during the famine in Ukraine. And the details are as follows: the famine in Leningrad during the Siege - Artek pioneer camp compared with the famine in Ukraine. In Leningrad they gave 100 grams of bread (this was not enough and people were dying), in Ukraine they shot the family for 100 grams of bread they found. There was cannibalism in Leningrad, but it was hidden. In Ukraine, to feed older children, mothers killed the weakened younger ones and fed the elders with meat. And all this - with a good harvest. Only the Red Army cordoned off the fields and
          not allowed to harvest. They shot at those who tried to break through.
          The Holodomor is a monstrous crime of Stalin. Worse than everyone else.
          But the same thing happened in other regions of the USSR, where they resisted collective farms.
          So not only Ukrainians were dying.
          1. +3
            4 March 2017 14: 08
            Can you even imagine how many Red Army soldiers are needed to cordon off the fields in Ukraine? Not enough even if a total mobilization is carried out in China.
          2. +3
            4 March 2017 16: 05
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The Holodomor is a monstrous crime of Stalin. Worse than everyone else.
            But the same thing happened in other regions of the USSR, where they resisted collective farms.

            Actually after your words, I am not surprised why the notorious Jewish question periodically arises in the world. You frankly wrote nonsense, without even trying to figure it out. And then actually wonder why you are not loved in the world.
      2. 0
        4 March 2017 14: 34
        Hunger was not a punishment. England and the United States kept the USSR under normal sanctions. Only grain was imported from the USSR for currency. The country needed blood from the nose to carry out industrialization, technologies were purchased from these same USA and Britain. Look, they have their own crops rotting, and they are buying out all the offered grain from the USSR. Coincidence? I don’t think so. In general, not everything is so simple. And there was a famine, yes. And not only in Ukraine.
  13. Mwg
    +4
    4 March 2017 07: 15
    Let the Portuguese Parliament first assess the participation of Portugal in the destruction of the Indians together with the Spaniards in North America. And then he can already talk about what he has nothing to do with
  14. +1
    4 March 2017 07: 16
    Well, it’s definitely time for them to fight smoking, at least in parliament ....
  15. +7
    4 March 2017 07: 20
    And why we still have not adopted a resolution on the genocide of the indigenous peoples of America. The Portuguese, the Spanish, the French, the Anglo-Saxons cut out 2 continents. You can also remember Africa.
  16. +1
    4 March 2017 07: 30
    Hey seafarers (former)! Slow down nepadetski, what a famine, it’s time already for the Maidanomor and Bezvizomor to issue a resolution.
  17. +1
    4 March 2017 07: 38
    the parliamentary commission presented a “concretization” of what, in her opinion, is the “genocide of Ukrainian citizens”, since the vast majority of Portuguese deputies had no idea what was going on ...


    but what is missing something? do they even know where the non-fallow is located on the map?
  18. +1
    4 March 2017 07: 39
    A famine of Ukrainians in Poland at the same time ... the fight against their obesity .... ???
    Another question begs ... if everyone died, according to them ... who are today's Ukrainians ... or zombies.
  19. 0
    4 March 2017 07: 44
    Yeah! So this is where Petruchio was going to move when they came to plant him. Type a descendant of the "starving people", a victim of ab ... e ... "Stalinist repression." If only I managed to get it until the erysipelas begins to crack from hunger ...
  20. +6
    4 March 2017 07: 50
    I already wrote here that one (one!) Portuguese working in our company spoke to me in the sense that the Portuguese do not like Russia, to my surprised question, why? What are we doing to them? he replied that the Russians at one time supported the liberation movement in the Portuguese colonies, and now .... they do not like it simply because of "European solidarity."
  21. +2
    4 March 2017 08: 10
    First, let them answer for the genocide of the Indians in the 16th century. am
  22. 0
    4 March 2017 08: 29
    Do not do good, do not get evil
  23. +1
    4 March 2017 08: 47
    All propaganda of the enemies of the Communists in the USSR, in the West, in Eastern Europe, in particular now, with regard to Russia and Ukraine, is always the same — for the sake of profit, throwing slanderous accusations against one people and justifying the real crimes of others.
  24. +4
    4 March 2017 08: 53
    The Ukrainian citizens of 1932 are enchanting. Regarding the Holodomor, I have my own opinion.
    My grandmother was a doctor in Voronezh (the region neighboring Ukraine, who does not know) at that time exactly. And they brought to the hospital the people who swelled from starvation from Ukraine. Saving them - WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL. They (as her professor said) did not really starve, but ate grains poisoned by a fungus from earthen burials (stolen, I suppose).
    Therefore, it was not possible to save. People from hunger - DO NOT SWELL.
  25. +5
    4 March 2017 09: 00
    And what is the noise? Gather a bunch of competent lawyers, sue for defamation and distortion of historical facts and let them at least give all their spratguage to the pawnshop and pay us moral damage laughing
  26. +1
    4 March 2017 09: 08
    The Portuguese themselves have a "stigma in the cannon". At one time, they frolic quite well in Africa.
  27. 0
    4 March 2017 09: 11
    Portugal - where is it? Who's yapping is not visible. wink
  28. +1
    4 March 2017 09: 28
    Well, actually it remains only to quote Lavrov regarding the Portuguese parliament fool
  29. +5
    4 March 2017 10: 07
    For some reason, the Holodomor in the USA has not been remembered for some reason.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 10: 33
      This is nonsense and fake psycho hospital Dr. Prokopenko. Try to delve into the Internet from where this information came from. You will be disappointed.
      1. +2
        4 March 2017 10: 48
        Quote: Kenneth
        This is nonsense and fake psycho hospital Dr. Prokopenko.

        Of course fake. They just have a birth rate in 30-e declined. sad
  30. +2
    4 March 2017 10: 31
    And what about the genocide of the indigenous population of South America. Our thought should also accept the statement.
  31. 0
    4 March 2017 10: 35
    Quote: Kenneth
    This is nonsense and fake psycho hospital Dr. Prokopenko. Try to delve into the Internet from where this information came from. You will be disappointed.

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    Disappointed with what? Is our "Holodomor in Ukraine" not a fake? The whole world is a theater. So do not be here.


    But such posters are not fake? When those killed by Hitler were hanged on Stalin, and those killed by the emperor Hirohito on Mao Zedong.
    1. +1
      4 March 2017 10: 46
      I’m talking about fakes about the USA. And you drag something else. If you like to dig in the trash .....
  32. +1
    4 March 2017 10: 46
    If you rephrase the well-known appeal, then about the Portuguese parliament we can say “degenerates, unite all countries!” Complete unsuitability! And then everyone is surprised at the economic problems of Portugal ...
  33. +4
    4 March 2017 10: 48
    here is a portuguese boat - where is the wind going there and he
    1. +2
      4 March 2017 12: 39
      Do you mean this poisonous creature?
  34. +2
    4 March 2017 10: 57
    Quote: Kenneth
    I’m talking about fakes about the USA. And you drag something else.

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    Listen, calm down already, Mr. Fake, taking information from the biased Wikipedia. I still did not tell you about the Trudarmia, about racial segregation and other delights in the USA. Try it yourself, "dig into the Internet." In the United States at that time, even normal statistics and passport accounting did not exist, you will begin to tell me more about fakes weaving here.

    Here is a part of my sources, not your Internet dump.
    PS You need to drink less, and when you drink, then have a snack.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 11: 07
      You like to extract the fakes from the garbage cans into your hands. And your sources are the same garbage as RenTv.you are not interesting to me. Have a nice weekend with Prokopenko.
      1. +3
        4 March 2017 16: 54
        John Steinbeck "The Bunches of Wrath." Read. This is not even Solzhenitsyn. He is theirs wassat
  35. 0
    4 March 2017 10: 58
    Ukrainians make up one of the largest ethnic groups in Portugal. Naturally, the Portuguese Parliament drew attention to the Holodomor.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 11: 08
      Naturally. The same can be said about Canada
  36. +1
    4 March 2017 11: 01
    I hope the Portuguese Parliament will not be offended that they will be condemned for idiocy ...
  37. +2
    4 March 2017 11: 04
    The Parliament of Portugal: "The Holodomor in Ukraine is the fault of the totalitarian Stalinist regime"
    Again, the "poor" Ukraine, and the Russian and other people black caviar at this time ate shovels ???
    They would look at themselves and remember how in the 18th century Negroes were transported to the USA for PERSONAL NEEDS of "DEMOCRACY" ...
    1. 0
      5 March 2017 20: 20
      These are fairy tales! wassat - reply to you the parliament of Portugal
  38. +3
    4 March 2017 11: 34
    Quote: Kenneth
    You like to extract the fakes from the garbage cans into your hands. And your sources are the same garbage as RenTv.you are not interesting to me. Have a nice weekend with Prokopenko.

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    You might think that you are interested in someone, Mr. Objectivist. If you do not understand the propaganda war, then you do not need to insert your unconfirmed remarks. And I read literature of a propaganda style and just the source (such as, for example, Stalin’s correspondence with the heads of state), as it was written by people who own factual material, and not “anonymous sources”. And you have to read from both sides. To listen to you, so everything was bad with us, and in the West there was already a paradise with iPhones. American classics at that time apparently wrote about aliens (Steinbeck "The Bunches of Wrath").
    PS As for Mr. Prokopenko, he is a talented compiler. His "Military Secret" actually repeats the feed of my Twitter, where he collects all kinds of comments and feedback from communities on Twitter for certain news and events. In fact, he is a propagandist, not some kind of columnist. And it is right.
  39. 0
    4 March 2017 12: 35
    Quote: Kenneth
    Naturally. The same can be said about Canada

    ---------------------------------
    Ukrainians left for Canada under the tsar-priest. The tsar father also appears to be "starving". What, in fact, do not write articles, Mr. Objective?
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 12: 50
      Was Ukraine really under the tsar?
  40. +1
    4 March 2017 12: 35
    Who would have claimed the "great" colonial power of Portugal? It's funny, however.
  41. +1
    4 March 2017 12: 55
    Well, we know the story, Zapadentsy from this exertion should not jump and scream, they were not part of the USSR. Then it is possible for the Portuguese themselves to express through the UN a “bug” for genocide against the Indians. Let explain for what?
  42. 0
    4 March 2017 13: 06
    Quote: Trouble
    Was Ukraine really under the tsar?

    -------------------------
    Little Russians were under the king. Or not? Then they recorded themselves in the Ukrainians. And even under the tsar, Ukraine began to be planted by Austro-Hungarians in the territories that belonged to it.
  43. +1
    4 March 2017 13: 15
    In general, this was affected by the efforts of the Union of Ukrainians of Portugal, the head is Pavel Sadokha. According to him, only the Communists did not vote for this decision.
    Altogether, dozens of states have condemned the Holodomor or recognized it as genocide. Among them are Poland, Australia, Georgia, Estonia, Canada, Hungary.
    According to a survey by the Rating Sociological Group, three quarters of Ukrainian citizens (72%) agree with the statement that the Holodomor of 1932-33 was the genocide of the Ukrainian people, they did not agree with this 14%, and they did not make up their minds - 14%. Among respondents, their native language is Ukrainian, 83% consider the Holodomor to be genocide, while among those who consider Russian to be native, 47%.
    Well recognized, well, the diaspora (its influence). I do not recall the article for each country of recognition. What has Portugal gained?
  44. +1
    4 March 2017 13: 27
    In many such publications, approximately the same thing is repeated:
    "The main question: in Portugal, all their problems have already been solved (for example, with the astronomical public debt, unemployment and colonized territories ...), if, apart from considering the issue of famine in the USSR, the deputies have nothing to do?"
    They are engaged in international politics, support "their party." And the "party", I must admit, is not frail. It is fundamentally important for them to equate communism with Nazism, and they do it. And do not consider them fools! We ourselves gave them these cards in our hands during the Gorbachev "perestroika" and the 90s, and partially during the Khrushchev "thaw". It's time to understand this, and stop being fools yourself!
    Here is our story, because of which we constantly make excuses: civil war, victory of the Reds = preservation of Russia, restoration after the civil war (attempts to arrange the NEP, until it became completely clear that the West "recovered" and sooner or later will climb us), industrialization (+ collectivization, because workers are needed at the factories, and collective farms with tractors give the state more to a single peasant, and they are managed well, unlike individual farms), playing on the contradictions of the capitalist states surrounding us in foreign policy, after revolutionary stabilization (Stalin defeated Trotsky), mopping up power and a potential 5th column (Tukhachevsky’s conspiracy, “repressions” of 36-38 - just before the Second World War), World War II, Victory, but the stronghold of democracy - the United States demonstrates 2 Japanese cities, the effectiveness of the atomic bomb, the development and production of the minimum allowable quantities of domestic atomic bombs (this is already around the beginning of the 50s). It’s time to understand that this whole part of history is like a struggle for the existence of a ship in a 9-point storm. Our grandfathers and fathers emerged with honor from this storm, saved the ship. And they began to be judged from the standpoint of travel during the calm and light breeze!
    And while we do not realize our guilt in this before our ancestors, they will beat us with this, and beat them quite effectively!
  45. +3
    4 March 2017 13: 32
    Regarding the "famine" we can say the following:
    The West has always regarded Russia as a territory for plunder. My city stands on the site of the former English warehouses, or as it is fashionable now to say "terminals", for the export by English hucksters of hemp, wood, flax, and vegetable oils. animal skins and wool. When the West saw the industrial development of tsarist Russia, he immediately dragged it into the war, and then into the February color revolution. But something went wrong. The country survived and created a red empire-USSR instead of autocracy. The West immediately launched an intervention, support for separatists of all stripes, support for the white movement. Again, something went wrong. The USSR survived and began to buy equipment from the West for its industrial program. At first, the West began to underestimate the prices of goods from the USSR under the slogan "these are products of convicts", then it generally demanded grain for payment (to the West it was not necessary from the word at all). It was just in the period of the famine (late 20s-early 30s). In 1933, Adolf Hitler, who received German citizenship in a week, was miraculously chancellor in Germany. The impoverished Weimar Republic literally grew by leaps and bounds into the Third Reich (apparently exclusively by the labor of the German people, not counting the help of transnational capital). And after a victorious march along Europe's cobblestone pavements and after a bit of a fight with Britain, Hitler rushes to the East with all his fury (of course, alone, in other countries he left democracy like the British, and exclusively “volunteers” with SS stripes joined his troops). But again, something went wrong, it was necessary to destroy the Hitler project, since the USSR successfully ground it. The USSR became the second superpower. The West had to start the famine again, now it was called the "total deficit". This was done by banal bribery of the Soviet elite, which conducted trade and foreign exchange operations in the West. That is why Gorbachev is not remembered for this famine, and for him he received the Nobel Prize. Now the West has also tried to create a famine with sanctions, but again it is a bit rude. So who creates famines?
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 14: 00
      Quote: Altona
      . My city stands on the site of the former English warehouses, or as it is fashionable now to say "terminals", for the export by English hucksters of hemp, wood, flax, and vegetable oils. animal skins and wool.

      Well, I somehow didn’t hear that the British would travel around Russia collecting tribute from cities and towns.
      They probably bought Russian hucksters (as you put it) and goods were taken from these warehouses.
      Quote: Altona
      When the West saw the industrial development of tsarist Russia, he immediately dragged it into the war, and then into the February color revolution.

      I do not see the logic.
      I don’t quite understand why Russia entered the First World War, Germany didn’t declare war on it, there was no joint border.
      Supported Serbia ??? For distant lands (by the way against Bulgaria it seems like).
      And there and there little brothers.
      I generally think that I did not enter against Germany, but in the hope of overcoming Constantinople (and the Bosphorus along with it) from Turkey, an ally of Germany.
      Nikolai’s dream - Tsargrad (the center of Orthodoxy and the Bosphorus) --- Stolypin was categorically against entering the war - but Nicholas dreamed of the laurels of the liberator of Orthodox shrines and control over access to the Mediterranean Sea.
      Nobody pulled Russia into World War I - they climbed themselves

      Quote: Altona
      But something went wrong.

      That's for sure - like all the following years.
      Quote: Altona
      Again, something went wrong. The USSR survived and began to buy equipment from the West for its industrial program

      And why did he sell? Something like logic doesn’t fit in with you, or rather, one answer doesn’t fit in
      Something went wrong.
      Maybe you’re just trying to knit non-connected?
  46. +2
    4 March 2017 13: 35
    But how did the Portuguese forget about the genocide of Japan against China during the Second World War. And only Japan killed 35 million people. Writing about what they had recently, as they say, is politically incorrect. At the same time, they use fakes to the fullest. I want to say - read the documents gentlemen! Although what gentlemen, it’s "Lord, forgive me."
  47. +1
    4 March 2017 13: 36
    The Parliament of Portugal: "The Holodomor in Ukraine is the fault of the totalitarian Stalinist regime"
    But Europe does not want to remember the “HOLY” INQUISITION and HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF LIFE HAS BEEN LOST IN BONES AND IN SCARY TORTURES, IT'S NOT THE GENOCIDE of their own people, by their own rulers of Western and not only Europe ???
    And when they still remember Assad’s tricks, it seems ridiculous at all ...
  48. 0
    4 March 2017 13: 42
    And grain arrived in Ukraine, shipping went every day. Deliveries to the Volga region and to the central regions of Russia were cut.
  49. +2
    4 March 2017 14: 03
    Angola, Argen, Brazil, Colonial Brazil, Vida (Benin), East Timor, Guinea-Bissau, Goa, Daman (city), Diu, Overseas Province, Cabinda, Cape Verde, Kannur, Qeshm (island), Macau, Muscat, Mozambique, Mombasa, Portuguese occupation of French Guiana, Hormuz (state), Hormuz (island), Portuguese East Africa, Portuguese West Africa, Portuguese India, Portuguese Malacca, Portuguese Gold Coast, Portuguese Macau, Portuguese Timor, Portuguese Ceylon, Portuguese Congo, San -Tome and Principe, Sofala, Ternate (island), Tidore - these are former Portuguese colonies. Let the Portuguese tell these countries about the genocide in the USSR
  50. +2
    4 March 2017 14: 13
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    That's just from Portugal, we have not heard how bad we are ....

    And what do you want, Portugal, the same Ukraine, only poorer. The fisherman is a fisherman ....
    And what is Portugal on the world stage? Trump will look for her on the map for a week.
    Nothing at all


    1 - fake article, I checked.
    2 - who else but you, the representative of the administration, should monitor and prevent reprinting, and therefore the dissemination of knowingly false information? you are a liar, a friend of novels, a liar and a goat provocateur from the slaughterhouse of a meat factory.
    3 - statements about the poor, you can address comrade Putin centuries, who from a high rostrum promised to overtake and overtake poor Portugal, is still catching up.
  51. +1
    4 March 2017 14: 21
    Quote: krass
    I do not see the logic.
    I don’t quite understand why Russia entered the First World War, Germany didn’t declare war on it, there was no joint border.
    Supported Serbia ??? For distant lands (by the way against Bulgaria it seems like).

    ------------------------------------
    Is everything okay with your logic? You really catch me on theses. I can’t write an article in a short commentary. Tell me, dear gentleman from Israel, why did the liberal Russian press suddenly suddenly begin to champion the war? Yesterday she scolded the Tsar, and today she’s just cheers, you’re starting a war for the Faith, the Tsar and the Fatherland. This is some kind of metamorphosis. And why did your Jewish brothers, who just yesterday were sitting outside the Pale of Settlement, after February become owners of German assets in Russia. Moreover, one of your people told me this, he told me how they successfully got rid of the pharmacy chain and did not come under attack as class aliens. No matter where you look, there is no logic anywhere, just pure conspiracy theory.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 14: 32
      Quote: Altona
      Tell me, dear gentleman from Israel, why did the liberal Russian press suddenly suddenly begin to champion the war?

      Are you talking about the First World War? Why did you decide that it was all liberal? Are you an eyewitness?
      In general, the patriotism was wild - everyone wanted to fight.
      You read L. Kassil - Conduit and Schwambrania - all this was described in a very interesting way.
      Everyone was eager to go into battle, tear the Kaiser apart and pelt him with galoshes—does this remind you of anything?
      A year later, everything turned upside down and the same thing happened in the press.
      By the way, when (in your opinion) was she liberal before or after? wink
      Quote: Altona
      And why did your Jewish brothers, who just yesterday were sitting outside the Pale of Settlement, after February become owners of German assets in Russia.

      Enlighten me on this matter, maybe something will happen to me?
      Quote: Altona
      Moreover, one of your guys told me this, he told me how they successfully got rid of a chain of pharmacies and were not targeted as class aliens

      You have extensive acquaintances in our circles. wink
      As I understand it, your friend (like you) survived the February revolution lol
      Quote: Altona
      . That's right where you look

      All around Jews
      Quote: Altona
      There is no logic anywhere, just pure conspiracy theory.

      Well, it’s okay, in general, you have to grow and grow until REN TV. hi
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  53. 0
    4 March 2017 14: 27
    Quote: krass
    Why was he selling?

    -----------------------------------
    And the West of the USSR sold a lot of things, but it sold not only good, but sometimes downright outdated crap. Chemical plants with dangerous technology, for example. The West also sold spare parts for military equipment, Bosch fuel equipment for tanks, for example, where they forgot to drill out some of the injectors. And at Messerschmitt’s factories he installed advanced, latest equipment like Boeing’s. Just like now in Israel, everything is also the most advanced American.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 14: 46
      Quote: Altona
      And the West of the USSR sold a lot of things, but it sold not only good, but sometimes outright outdated crap

      Let's separate the flies from the cutlets again.
      They bought crap, no one forced anything.
      Quote: Altona
      The West also sold spare parts for military equipment, Bosch fuel equipment for tanks, for example, where some They forgot to drill out the injectors.

      What period are you talking about? Bosch has been a German company all its life. And the injectors are a waste, and in Africa they are a waste.

      Quote: Altona
      And at Messerschmitt’s factories he installed advanced, latest equipment like Boeing’s

      You seem to be jumping between eras.

      Quote: Altona
      Just like now in Israel, everything is also the most advanced American.

      Well, why not insert Israel? laughing
  54. 0
    4 March 2017 14: 29
    Quote: krass
    Well, I somehow didn’t hear that the British would travel around Russia collecting tribute from cities and towns.
    They probably bought from Russian hucksters (as you put it) and took the goods from these warehouses.

    -------------------------------
    Are Russian hucksters better than English ones? They studied tea at the same Eton and Harvard schools, and spoke the same Wu Compren and Doyuspik. And there were English and other concessions in Russia, but you apparently don’t know about it.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 14: 42
      Quote: Altona
      Are Russian hucksters better than English ones?

      No, they equally want to make money and I don’t see anything wrong with trading.
      But that's what it sounded like to you
      Quote: Altona
      , for the export of hemp, timber, flax, and vegetable oils by English traders. animal skins and wool

      With an emphasis on English.

      .
      Quote: Altona
      And there were English and other concessions in Russia, but you apparently don’t know about it.

      I know, but first familiarize yourself with the meaning of the word CONCESSION.
      A concession is not an occupation.
      An agreement concluded by the state with a private entrepreneur or foreign company for the exploitation of industrial enterprises, land and other lands.

      The Anglo-Saxons came and twisted the hands of Stalin or anyone else? No, they WERE INVITED - do you feel the difference?
  55. 0
    4 March 2017 14: 30
    Quote: Mouse
    Why did the Portuguese forget about the Japanese genocide against China during the Second World War? And 35 million people were destroyed by Japan alone.

    ----------------------------------
    The USA attributed these victims to Mao, I just posted their poster here, look at my comments on this article.
  56. 0
    4 March 2017 14: 39
    Oh yes, but the Germans are not responsible for World War II, because Hitler was an Austrian.
    All claims against Austria.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 14: 47
      Quote: Giants
      because Hitler was an Austrian

      They say he had Jewish blood in him lol .
  57. +1
    4 March 2017 14: 40
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    What is Portugal on the world stage? Trump will look for her on the map for a week.

    I was 8 years old on a world map (a meter and a half) in my room in Portugal without driving a finger, I pointed with one poke. Like any other country. And now .... They don’t poke a finger in cards, but in Unified State Exam tests ... I’m thinking - maybe I’ll sign up for a natsigmar ... We got already and now, as well as girls and other young people .... Maybe we, VO veterans, will finally declare war on SMS style and general illiteracy in comments?
    I do not urge everyone to speak the language of Dostoevsky ... But can the ELEMENTARY rules be remembered? At least it goes and goes ....
    I apologize for offtopic, for the fact that someone with ITS grammatical beliefs could accidentally offend .... But I got enoughwhen even normal people here, in VO, write comments with “asychki” in the style of modern youth .. But we don’t even have to talk about green young ... Gogol was read in brief. In the style of modern youth: “Well, you understood what I wanted to say” ... Like monkeys - I beat myself with my paw ... beat - the cellmate understood everything without SMS ...

    Two hands for it! And if they correct me myself, I will only be grateful.
  58. 0
    4 March 2017 14: 44
    Quote: krass
    You have extensive acquaintances in our circles.

    ------------------------------
    Moreover, this gentleman’s surname is purely Russian and characteristic - Lyandon. He is the grandson of this pharmacist. Now he is probably already in another world.
  59. 0
    4 March 2017 14: 47
    Quote: krass
    As I understand it, your friend (like you) survived the February revolution

    ------------------------------------
    I didn’t have the chance, sorry, I’m only about five decades old. But I talked to interesting characters. I studied in Moscow in the 1980s.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 14: 49
      Quote: Altona
      I didn’t have the chance, sorry, I’m only about five decades old. But I talked to interesting characters

      And this reminds me of a famous joke
      Two Jews are talking.
      “I don’t understand why people so admire this Caruso?” Speaking tongue-tied, googling, singing - you will not understand anything!
      “Have you heard Caruso sing?”
      - Yes, Rabinovich sang something from his repertoire to me over the phone.
    2. 0
      4 March 2017 21: 05
      Quote: Altona
      I didn’t have the chance, sorry, I’m only about five decades old

      peers
      Quote: Altona
      But I talked to interesting characters. I studied in Moscow in the 1980s.

      Well, I lived in St. Petersburg.
      And?
  60. +1
    4 March 2017 14: 53
    Quote: krass
    What period are you talking about? Bosch has been a German company all its life. And the injectors are a waste, and in Africa they are a waste.

    ---------------------------------------------
    I'm talking about the period of the 30-40s, the period of industrialization. I don't jump between eras. If you haven’t read anything other than Lev Kassil and V. Kataev, then who is to blame. I’m telling you that first-class equipment was installed at German factories; Messerschmitt received equipment like Boeing’s. Robert Bosch is, of course, a German company; it supplied fuel equipment for tanks until we gave up on its sabotage and created our own. Information taken from the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant Museum. Go and ask there. How hard it is to talk when people don’t know basic things. But the West doesn’t care who it finances or pits against.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 21: 09
      Quote: Altona
      I'm talking about the period of the 30-40s, the period of industrialization

      40's? Industrialization? belay
      Quote: Altona
      I don't jump by era

      You're jumping
      Quote: Altona
      If you haven’t read anything other than Lev Kassil and V. Kataev, then who’s to blame?

      An interesting statement.
      Quote: Altona
      I’m telling you that first-class equipment was installed at German factories; Messerschmitt received equipment like Boeing’s.

      And how does this relate to industrialization?
      Quote: Altona
      How hard it is to talk when people don’t know basic things

      Of course it’s hard when you ask uncomfortable questions. But there’s no way to answer request
      Quote: Altona
      But the West doesn’t care who it finances or pits against.

      Why finance?
      So simple question wink
  61. 0
    4 March 2017 14: 57
    For a cancer patient, the most important thing is how the cat of a friend’s grandfather in the neighboring village is.
  62. +1
    4 March 2017 15: 07
    Quote: krass
    I know, but first familiarize yourself with the meaning of the word CONCESSION.

    --------------------------------------
    Let's do it without mentoring. You first read the volume of what I have read. And here you know, here you don’t know. This is where you wrap the cutlets. And about contemporaries. Since it is not comme il faut to read sources on the one hand, I had to familiarize myself with Mein Kampf. Have you met or is it unpleasant to read the assessments given by Hitler?
    PS The conditions specified in the concession agreement can be different and sometimes extortionate. Who else but you? the authors of loan interest do not know about this.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 15: 17
      Quote: Altona
      Let's do it without mentoring. You first read the volume of what I have read


      Well, about mentoring, it’s you, how do you know how much I’ve read?
      Quote: Altona
      Since it is not comme il faut to read sources on the one hand, I had to familiarize myself with Mein Kampf.

      And?
      Quote: Altona
      Have you met or is it unpleasant to read the assessments given by Hitler?

      Well, who is the bride of the mare, who is Hitler's authority?
      Quote: Altona
      . The conditions specified in the concession agreement can be different and sometimes extortionate.

      The concession agreement is drawn up by the inviting party - you constantly confuse the cause-and-effect relationship.

      Quote: Altona
      Who else but you? the authors of loan interest do not know about this.

      Personally, I didn’t invent it (I’m sorry) - but a strange thought creeps into me all the time.
      If you hadn't taken out a loan, how would we have lived? wink
  63. +2
    4 March 2017 15: 08
    Quote: krass
    And this reminds me of a famous joke

    -------------------------------
    If every character of the Jews is anecdotal, then am I to blame for this too?
  64. +1
    4 March 2017 15: 22
    Cut everyone, God will sort it out. (C) "God bless you, what year is this?" (WITH)
  65. +2
    4 March 2017 15: 32
    Quote: krass
    The concession agreement is drawn up by the inviting party - you constantly confuse the cause-and-effect relationship.

    --------------------------
    I have? From time immemorial, states have been subject to various kinds of external influences. Propaganda, force, various kinds of calls to respect human rights. The state cannot always adequately state its will in those other agreements, and sometimes this will is written down by various kinds of interested parties who absolutely do not take into account the interests of the state. Hitler, Napoleon, Stalin, Lenin, Mao and others, of course, cannot be authorities; they were maniacs and paranoids. The USA won the Second World War (and not the USSR with the tanks of Joseph Kotin and Isaac Salzman from Chelyabinsk) and the stern Moshe Dayan helped them a little.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 21: 03
      Quote: Altona
      . The state is not always able to adequately state its will in those other agreements, and sometimes this will is written down by various kinds of interested parties who have absolutely no regard for the interests of the state

      ?????
      Do not go away from the topic.
      The concession agreement is drawn up by the host state, if it does not suit it, then the question is, why the hell?
      Therefore, your accusations against the West that they *robbed* Russia through concessions are simply ridiculous.
      Quote: Altona
      and sometimes this will is prescribed by various kinds of interested parties who have absolutely no regard for the interests of the state.

      Again you are being led into a system of inanimate coordinates.
      Any state has both a head and supervisory authorities (and when it comes to concessions, this was approved at the highest level) - therefore, call a spade a spade, if the USSR was robbed by concessions (as you say), it was only with the permission of the highest government countries
      Quote: Altona
      Hitler, Napoleon, Stalin, Lenin, Mao and others, of course, cannot be authorities, they were maniacs and paranoids

      A strange statement. They were all great people, and even evil geniuses can be great - great in their savagery.
      Quote: Altona
      The USA won the Second World War (and not the USSR with the tanks of Joseph Kotin and Isaac Salzman from Chelyabinsk) and the stern Moshe Dayan helped them a little.

      Don't write nonsense, your going to extremes speaks of one thing (despite everything you've read) - you don't analyze.
      Life is not just black and white - there are many shades.
      There are no absolutely right and absolutely wrong people.
      Take a closer look - otherwise why are you reading at all?
  66. +3
    4 March 2017 15: 57
    Quote: voyaka uh
    This was once told to us by an old woman in Moscow, the only survivor of the whole family during the famine in Ukraine. And the details are as follows: the famine in Leningrad during the Siege - Artek pioneer camp compared with the famine in Ukraine. In Leningrad they gave 100 grams of bread (this was not enough and people were dying), in Ukraine they shot the family for 100 grams of bread they found. There was cannibalism in Leningrad, but it was hidden. In Ukraine, to feed older children, mothers killed the weakened younger ones and fed the elders with meat. And all this - with a good harvest. Only the Red Army cordoned off the fields and
    not allowed to harvest. They shot at those who tried to break through.
    The Holodomor is a monstrous crime of Stalin. Worse than everyone else.
    But the same thing happened in other regions of the USSR, where they resisted collective farms.
    So not only Ukrainians were dying.

    In my humble opinion, your old lady could have the right to talk about Artek in Leningrad only after having personally been in the blockade and comparing one with the other from personal experience, so to speak. So to speak, before you talk about how cruel Red Army soldiers shot families for the found ear of corn, provide documents, not stories from an old woman. I think such atrocities should have been recorded at least by the commander of this very detachment or detachments, in the column of ammunition consumption. Simply put, they accounted for the cartridges, where they spent them and on whom. And well-known truth-tellers like Solzhenitsyn and Svanidze would definitely have found such documents. We read from Rezun how the younger ones were killed during the Holodomor. The same Rezun described how the Soviet authorities then shot these cannibals, and not those who drowned the spikelets, although Rezun would not have passed by such a thing. In general, you frankly disappointed me; you also write that the unrest under Godunov was caused by a reluctance to join collective farms.
  67. +1
    4 March 2017 16: 10
    Political cretinism has swept this world...
  68. +1
    4 March 2017 17: 43
    In his material, the researcher touched on a really “hot” topic - the assessment of the number of victims of the American Great Depression, which, apparently, caused such a sharp reaction from Wikipedia moderators and the activity of Russian-speaking bloggers. Based on an analysis of statistical data, Boris Borisov in his article “Holodomor American Style” estimated the number of victims of the financial crisis in the United States at more than 7 million people - and for the first time directly compared what happened in the United States in 1932-33 with the Holodomor in the USSR in 1932-33. X.
    In his article, Borisov uses official data from the US Statistical Office. Having examined the population of the United States, the dynamics of fertility and mortality, immigration and emigration, the author comes to a disappointing conclusion: during the famine of 1932-33, the United States did not count more than 7 million lives.
  69. 0
    4 March 2017 17: 47
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    What is Portugal on the world stage? Trump will look for her on the map for a week.

    I was 8 years old on a world map (a meter and a half) in my room in Portugal without driving a finger, I pointed with one poke. Like any other country. And now .... They don’t poke a finger in cards, but in Unified State Exam tests ... I’m thinking - maybe I’ll sign up for a natsigmar ... We got already and now, as well as girls and other young people .... Maybe we, VO veterans, will finally declare war on SMS style and general illiteracy in comments?
    I do not urge everyone to speak the language of Dostoevsky ... But can the ELEMENTARY rules be remembered? At least it goes and goes ....
    I apologize for offtopic, for the fact that someone with ITS grammatical beliefs could accidentally offend .... But I got enoughwhen even normal people here, in VO, write comments with “asychki” in the style of modern youth .. But we don’t even have to talk about green young ... Gogol was read in brief. In the style of modern youth: “Well, you understood what I wanted to say” ... Like monkeys - I beat myself with my paw ... beat - the cellmate understood everything without SMS ...

    the author zhzhot)) all there peshud in Russian just keyboard sometimes it fails sho you fall ya also for that shop pesali orthodoxly although Albanian also chedcheg piridayu to you agromny preved and best wishes for health happiness denyuh nedyuh but you hold on
  70. 0
    4 March 2017 19: 38
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    The main thing is why we need to go to Portugal and what we don’t have on the Volga - okian, sand and Port .. The first two are nonsense for housewives ... But they have Port wine like I have never drank in my fighting youth.

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    Portugal and Spain (Canary Islands) are of course good, but in Russia there is the Caspian Sea and Dagestan cognac, there are Black Sea resorts with excellent wine.
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      4 March 2017 21: 13
      Quote: Altona
      Portugal and Spain (Canary Islands) are of course good, but Russia has the Caspian Sea and Dagestan cognac,

      Dagestan cognac is probably good (although it is called cognac only in Russia - actually it is Brandy) - try real cognac - which Cognac is from the corresponding French province
      Quote: Altona
      , there are Black Sea resorts with excellent wine.

      well it
      One likes watermelon, another likes pork cartilage

      Regardless of what it does, it doesn’t make someone good or bad - it’s just that one likes one thing, and the other likes another. hi
      1. +1
        4 March 2017 21: 52
        Quote: krass
        Dagestan cognac is probably good

        Quote: krass
        try real cognac

        I had a chance to try homemade Chechen cognac (whatever you call it) winked Some French provinces burst into tears under Belomor Yes
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          4 March 2017 23: 16
          Quote: Ruslan67
          I had a chance to try homemade Chechen cognac (whatever you call it) Some French provinces are filled with tears under Belomor

          I don’t doubt this at all, although in general I have nothing to compare it with.
          I haven’t tried homemade French cognac.
          But (maybe I’m a bit of a fan of Carvoisier – as you know) we’ll still agree on a simple truth.
          Still, consumer goods of the Corvoisier level are still better than consumer goods of Dagestan.
          wink
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            4 March 2017 23: 29
            Quote: krass
            Corvoisier-level consumer goods are still better than Dagestan consumer goods

            Now yes Yes But in the year 84 of the last century, the Caspian KVVK brought from Dagestan (Makhachkala or Kizlyar bottling) winked
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              4 March 2017 23: 33
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Now yes, but in the year 84 of the last century, the Caspian KVVK brought from Dagestan (Makhachkala or Kizlyar bottling)

              You know, Ruslan, the problem is that back then (since there was nothing special to compare it with) - everything seemed fucking delicious.
              About 3 years ago I bought squash caviar (I remember in the Army they simply died for it) and tried it - such damn disgusting. And I don’t think that now it is much worse than then - it’s just that the situation was different - in terms of what to compare.
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                4 March 2017 23: 40
                Quote: krass
                About 3 years ago I bought zucchini caviar (I remember in the Army they simply died for it) - I tried it - it’s so damn disgusting

                I still love it, although I prefer eggplant. Previously, the best was Bulgarian, now Valdai Cellar. So, what to compare with? request
  71. 0
    4 March 2017 21: 57
    Why should the Portuguese look far in the ass? If in the 21st century Ukraine managed to create a famine in itself, Stalin is again to blame. Stalin died, Poroshenko was born, but the country is unlucky. Again, Ukraine is yelling at the whole world, don’t give us money, we’ll all die as one.
  72. +3
    4 March 2017 22: 58
    Website of the Assembly of the Republic - Portuguese Parliament - http://www.en.parlamento.pt
    There are no traces of Ukraine in the Assembly documents.
    All messages about recognition are from Ukrainian sites. The style is Svidomo.
    Conclusion - fake from Svidomites.
    They tried to deceive us, we are leaving.
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      5 March 2017 00: 05
      Well, why did they “try”?
      everything worked out, people are happily gnawing on the thrown bone, throwing mud at Portugal.
      goal achieved, let's continue dancing.
      1. +2
        5 March 2017 00: 12
        Quote: pl675
        Well, why did they “try”?
        everything worked out, people are happily gnawing on the thrown bone, throwing mud at Portugal.
        goal achieved, let's continue dancing.

        - GYYY laughing laughing laughing
        - I add fiercely, with both hands good
        - the local people (part of it, more precisely) are actively “gnawing” on almost everything they can get their hands on... from the “Belarusian ribbon” instead of the St. George’s ribbon to... well, like now, for example.
        - and explain that the event did not happen, because it did not happen at all, to those who only read the headlines, to no avail request
  73. 0
    5 March 2017 01: 42
    The Parliament of Portugal: "The Holodomor in Ukraine is the fault of the totalitarian Stalinist regime"
    Guys, before this article I completely forgot that there was such a country, well, at least I remembered thanks to the opinion of this country...
  74. 0
    5 March 2017 14: 31
    "Parliament of Portugal: "The Holodomor in Ukraine is the fault of the totalitarian Stalinist regime""
    - In fact, the Holodomor in Ukraine is the fault of the totalitarian regime of Salazar in Portugal. Let the Portuguese Parliament now justify itself.
  75. 0
    5 March 2017 14: 52
    All questions to Georgia and Mingrelia Stalin is a Georgian. Beria is a Mingrelian. And don’t forget the Ukrainian Khrushchev.
  76. 0
    7 March 2017 09: 11
    In the USSR there were no such humanists as Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, Francisco Franco, Miklos Horthy, Jon Antonescu, Ante Pavelić, Jozef Pilsudski, and the goodness of Portugal - Antonio de Oliveira Salazar (Professor Salazar was truly an outstanding dictator: a brilliant economist -practitioner, original politician: “We are not populists, not democrats, not liberals, we are anti-communists, authoritarians and interventionists (supporters of state intervention in the economy and other spheres of social life).”
    It is believed that Stalin ruled in our country, and Roosevelt ruled in the USA. In the USA, during the famine, 7 million 394 thousand people disappeared with a population of 125 million and with 17 million unemployed in 1933, in the USSR the maximum probable number of deaths was 8 million with a population of 160 million.
    Well, the students of Doctor of Economics Salazar discovered to their amazement that there was a famine in the USSR. Moreover, they learned that in the USSR, in addition to the “Russians”, there were also “Khokkhly” and Ukrainians, whom the Bolsheviks (of course the Rusians: Dzhugashvili, Khrushchevs, Kaganovichs, Eikhe, Kossiors, Latsis and other Rosenfelds...) deliberately destroyed .
    The Portuguese did not want to hear that anyone other than Ukrainians might be dying of hunger.
    Y-yes ...