"Attack of the Century" submarine "S-13"

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"Attack of the Century" submarine "S-13"

Alexander Marinesko. 1945 Photo of the Year


One of the most important events in stories Russia in the XX century for the national identity is the Great Patriotic War - the sacred for all Russian. Actions to destroy its generalized image and its associated symbols are one of the information operations of the Cold War against the Soviet Union.



The USSR collapsed, but the information war of the West against Russia in this direction continues in the twenty-first century. These actions are aimed at belittling the greatness of the Soviet Union and its successor of Russia as a victor country and the destruction of the bond within the victorious people.

Victory counterfeiters

Significantly, back in August 1943, Jan Christian Smuts (Prime Minister of the Union of South Africa in 1939 – 1948 and Field Marshal of the British Army), one of Winston Churchill’s closest associates, arguing about the course of the war, expressed his concerns regarding its conduct: “We can certainly fight better, and comparison with Russia may become less unprofitable for us. An ordinary person should think that Russia is winning the war. If this impression remains, what will be our position in the international arena after compared with the position of Russia? Our position in the international arena can change dramatically, and Russia can become the diplomatic master of the world. This is undesirable and unnecessary and would have very bad consequences for the British Commonwealth of Nations. If we do not leave this war on equal terms, our position will be inconvenient and dangerous ... "

One of the latest evidence of the information war is the declaration of solidarity of the parliaments of Ukraine, Poland and Lithuania. October 20 The 2016 of the year, at the same time, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine and the Polish Sejm adopted a declaration on the events of World War II, where responsibility for its commencement lies with Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. And if so, then the events that interpret the history of the war at the end of the Nuremberg Tribunal should be revised, and the symbols and monuments reminiscent of the exploits of the Soviet people in the struggle against Nazism - destroyed.

Unfortunately, some of our opposition liberal intelligentsia, denying the exploits of 28 Panfilov, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya and other symbols of selfless struggle against the German invaders, has been saturated with this poison. The famous Kyrgyz and Russian writer Chingiz Aitmatov in his book “The Cassandra Brand” (1994) so figuratively described the war: “two heads of a physiologically monstrous monster clashed in the confrontation, not for life, but for death”. For them, the USSR is “the era of the Stalinguitler or, on the contrary, Hitler's Stalin”, and this is “their civil war”.

Meanwhile, the Russian scientist Sergei Kara-Murza in his book “Soviet Civilization” stresses that in a review of German literature on Stalingrad, the German historian Hettling writes: “In (German) historiography and in public opinion, two points of view were established: first on the part of the German Reich, the war was deliberately conceived and waged as a racially aggressive war of extermination; secondly, it was not only Hitler and the Nazi leadership who initiated it - the leaders of the Wehrmacht and representatives of private business also played a prominent role in unleashing the war. ”

The German writer Heinrich Belle, the Nobel Prize winner in literature, expressed his best view of the war in his last work, in fact, his will, Letter to My Sons: “... I have no reason to complain about the Soviet Union. The fact that I was sick there several times, was wounded there, laid in the “nature of things”, which in this case is called war, and I always understood: we were not invited there. ”

FAMOUS BATTLE EPISODE

The destruction of the image of the Great Patriotic War, of course, can not happen without the discretization of its symbols. Under the guise of searching for the truth, both events of the war and feats of its participants are interpreted differently. One such heroic event, which is reflected in our and Western literature, is the sinking of 30 on January 1945 by the Soviet submarine C-13 commanded by Captain 3 of the rank of Alexander Marinesko liner Wilhelm Gustloff in Danzig Bay. We call this famous military episode “the attack of the century”, while the Germans consider it to be the greatest maritime disaster, perhaps even more terrible than the death of the “Titanic”. In Germany, Gustloff is a symbol of disaster, and in Russia it is a symbol of our military victories.

Alexander Marinesko is one of the figures of the period of the Great Patriotic War, which is still causing controversy, as it is fanned by many myths and legends. Undeservedly forgotten, and then returned from non-existence - 5 May 1990, A.I. Marinesko was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. Monuments of Marinesko and its crew were erected in Kaliningrad, Kronstadt, St. Petersburg and Odessa. His name is listed in the Golden Book of St. Petersburg.

Here is how A.I. Marinesco in his article “Attacks“ S-13 ”(Neva magazine No. 7 for 1968) Admiral fleet Soviet Union Nikolai Gerasimovich Kuznetsov, People's Commissar and Commander-in-Chief of the Navy of the USSR from 1939 to 1947: “History knows many cases when heroic deeds accomplished on the battlefield remain in the shadows for a long time and only descendants evaluate their merits. It also happens that during the war years large-scale events are not given due importance, reports of them are questioned and lead people to surprise and admiration much later. This fate befell the Baltic ace - submariner A. Marinesko Alexander Ivanovich is no longer alive. But his feat will forever remain in the memory of Soviet sailors. ”

He further notes that “about the sinking of a large German ship in the Danzig Bay ... I personally found out only a month after the Crimea Conference. Against the background of everyday victories, this event apparently did not attach much importance. But even when it became known that Gustlav was sunk by the C-13 submarine, the command did not dare to introduce A. Marinesko to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. In the complex and hectic nature of the commander of the C-13 high heroism, desperate courage coexisted with many shortcomings and weaknesses. Today he could have accomplished a heroic deed, and tomorrow he could be late for his ship, preparing to enter combat mission, or otherwise violate military discipline. ”

Without exaggeration, we can say that his name has a wide world fame. In the museum of the royal submarine forces of Great Britain, immediately after the war, an AI bust was installed. Marinesco.

As N.G. Kuznetsov, a participant in the Potsdam and Yalta conferences, in early February 1945, the Allied governments gathered in Crimea to discuss measures to ensure the final defeat of Nazi Germany, and to chart the paths of the postwar world.

“At the first meeting in the Livadia Palace in Yalta, Churchill asked Stalin: when would Soviet troops seize Danzig, where are a large number of German submarines under construction and ready? He asked to speed up the seizure of this port.

The anxiety of the English premiere was understandable. The military efforts of Great Britain and the supply of its population largely depended on shipping. However, wolf packs continued to rage at sea communications. Danzig was one of the main nests of the fascist underwater pirates. Here was the German diving school, the floating barracks for which served as the liner "Wilhelm Gustlav."

BATTLE FOR ATLANTIC

For the British, the allies of the USSR in the battle against Nazi Germany, the battle for the Atlantic was crucial for the entire course of the war. Winston Churchill in his book "The Second World War" gives the following assessment of the loss of the ship. In 1940, merchant ships lost a total displacement of 4 million tons, and in 1941-m more than 4 million tons. In 1942, after the United States became allies of Great Britain, almost 8 million tons of total tonnage of allied ships were sunk . Up until the end of 1942, German submarines sank more ships than the Allies had time to build. By the end of 1943, the increase in tonnage finally surpassed the total losses at sea, and in the second quarter the losses of German submarines surpassed their construction for the first time. Subsequently, the moment came when in the Atlantic the losses of enemy submarines exceeded the losses in merchant ships. But this, Churchill emphasizes, came at the cost of a long and bitter struggle.

German submariners smashed and caravans of Allied transports delivering military equipment and materials through a lend-lease to Murmansk. The infamous caravan PQ-17 from submarine strikes and aviation of 36 vessels lost 24 and with them 430 tanks, 210 aircraft, 3350 motor vehicles and 99 tons of cargo.

In World War II, Germany, instead of using raiders — surface fleet ships — switched to an unrestricted submarine warfare (uneingeschränkter U-Boot-Krieg), when submarines began to sink civilian merchant ships without warning and did not attempt to rescue the crews of these ships. In fact, the pirate motto was adopted: “Down them all”. At the same time, the commander of the German submarine fleet, Vice-Admiral Karl Dennitz developed the tactics of "wolf packs", when submarine attacks on convoys of ships were carried out by a group of submarines simultaneously. Karl Doenitz also organized a submarine supply system directly in the ocean, far from the bases.

To avoid the pursuit of submarines by allied anti-submarine forces, 17 September 1942, Doenitz ordered Triton Zero or “Laconia order” (Laconia-Befehl), which prohibited submarine commanders from making any attempts to rescue crews and passengers of sunken ships and ships.

Until September, 1942, the German submarines after the attack somehow somehow assisted the sailors of sunken ships. In particular, 12 September 1942, the submarine U-156 sank the British transport ship "Laconia" and assisted in the rescue of the crew and passengers. On September 16, four submarines (one Italian), which had several hundred rescued on board, were attacked by American aircraft, the pilots of which knew that the Germans and Italians were saving the British.

The “wolf packs” of Doenitz submarines inflicted great damage on the Allied convoys. At the beginning of the war, the German submarine fleet was the dominant force in the Atlantic. Great Britain, with great effort, defended its transport shipping, vital for the metropolis. In the first half of 1942, the loss of Allied transports from wolf packs of submarines reached the maximum number of 900 ships (with a displacement of 4 million tons). For the entire 1942 year, the Allied 1664 ships were sunk (7 790 697 tonnes), of which 1160 ships were submarines.

In 1943, a turnaround came - on every sunk ship of the allies the German submarine fleet began to lose one submarine. In total, 1155 submarines were built in Germany, of which 644 units were lost in combat. (67%). The submarines of that time could not be under water for long, they were constantly attacked by planes and ships of the Allied fleets on the way to the Atlantic. German submarines still managed to break through to heavily guarded convoys. But it was much harder for them to do this, despite the technical equipment with their own radars, enhanced anti-aircraft artillery weapons, and when attacking ships, they were homing acoustic torpedoes. However, in the 1945 year, despite the agony of the Hitler regime, the submarine war continued.

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED 30 JANUARY 1945 OF THE YEAR

In January 1945, the Soviet army was rapidly advancing to the West, in the direction of Koenigsberg and Danzig. Hundreds of thousands of Germans, fearing retribution for the atrocities of the Nazis, became refugees and moved to the port city of Gdynia - the Germans called him Gotenhafen. On January 21, grand-admiral Karl Doenitz issued an order: “All German ships that are available must save from the Soviets everything that can be saved.” The officers received an order to redeploy submariner cadets and their military property, and in any free box of their ships to accommodate refugees, and especially women and children. Operation Hannibal was the largest evacuation of the population in the history of navigation: over two million people were transported by ships to the west.


In Germany, Gustloff is a symbol of disaster, and in Russia it is a symbol of our military victories. 1939 Photo of the Year


Built in 1937, the "Wilhelm Gustloff", named after the murdered associate of Hitler in Switzerland, was one of the best German airliners. The ten-deck liner with a displacement of 25 484 t seemed to them, like the Titanic, unsinkable. The magnificent cruise ship with a cinema and a swimming pool served as the pride of the Third Reich. He was called to demonstrate to the world the achievements of Nazi Germany. Hitler himself participated in the descent of the ship, which was his personal cabin. For Hitler's organization of cultural leisure, “Strength through Joy,” the liner transported vacationers to Norway and Sweden for a year and a half, and with the start of World War II became the floating barracks of 2 cadet training division of scuba diving.

30 January 1945 of the Year Gustloff departed on its last flight from Gotenhafen. About how many refugees and military were on board, data from German sources differ. As for the refugees, until 1990, the figure was almost constant, since many of the survivors of that tragedy lived in the GDR. According to their testimony, the number of refugees rose to 10 thousand people. With regard to the military on this flight, the latest sources speak of a figure of around 1,500 people. Passengers' assistants counted, one of them was officer Heinz Shen, who became the chronicler of the death of Gustloff after the war and the author of the documentary books on this subject, including The Catastrophe of Gustloff and SOS - Wilhelm Gustloff.

Shen describes in detail the story of the death of the liner. In late January, a blizzard raged over the Dantsing Bay. In Gotenhafen, work was in full swing day and night. The advanced units of the Red Army, tirelessly advancing to the west, caused an unprecedented panic, the fascists hurriedly removed the stolen property, dismantled the machines at the factories. And the buzz of Soviet guns was getting closer.

Wilhelm Gustloff, who was stationed at the quay wall, was ordered to take on 4 thousands of people to transfer them to Kiel. A liner is designed to carry passengers 1800. Early in the morning of January 25 a flood of military and civilians poured into the ship. People who had waited for transport for several days, were getting places by storm. Formally, all those entering the ship must have a special pass, but in reality the Hitlerite dignitaries who rescue their skin, officers of the military fleet, the SS, and the police — all those who have the ground burning under their feet — are randomly loading onto the ship.

29 January. In Gdynia, the roar of the Soviet "Katyushas" is heard more and more, but Gustloff continues to stand near the shore. There are already about 6 thousand people on board, but hundreds of people continue to storm the gangway.

30 January 1945 of the year ... Despite all the efforts of the crew, it was not possible to free the aisles. Only one room is not occupied - the apartments of Hitler. But when the family of the burgomaster of Gdynia, consisting of 13, appears, she is also involved. The order comes to 10 hours - leave the port ...

Midnight is approaching. The sky is covered with snow clouds. The moon is hiding behind them. Heinz Shen goes down to the cabin, pours a glass of brandy. Suddenly, the entire hull of the ship shudders, three torpedoes hit the side ...

"Wilhelm Gustloff" slowly immersed in water. To calm down from the bridge, it is reported that the airliner ran aground ... The vessel is gradually sinking to sixty meters deep. Finally, the last command is distributed: “Save yourself, who can!” Few were lucky: only about a thousand people were rescued by suitable ships.

Nine ships participated in their rescue. People tried to escape on rescue rafts and lifeboats, but most survived only a few minutes in icy water. In total, according to Shen, 1239 people survived, half of them, 528 people, - personnel of the German submariners, 123 man of the auxiliary female Navy, 86 injured, 83 crew member and only 419 refugees. Thus, about 50% of submariners survived, and only 5% of the remaining passengers. It should be recognized that most of the dead were women and children, the most vulnerable in any war. That is why in some German circles they are trying to classify the actions of Marinesko as “war crimes”.

In this respect, interesting is the novella Dantzing, Nobel Prize winner Günther Grass, The Crab Trajectory, which was based on the death of Wilhelm Gustloff, which almost immediately became a bestseller in Germany in 2002. The writing is written wittily, but it sounds, interrupting all the others, one leitmotif: an attempt to bring the actions of Hitler's Europe and their winner - the Soviet Union - to the same plane, based on the tragedy of war. The author describes the cruel scene of the death of the passengers of the “Gustloff” - dead children, “floating upside down” because of the bulky life jackets they were wearing. The reader is led to the idea that the C-13 submarine under the command of A.I. Marinesko sank the liner with the refugees on board, fleeing allegedly from the atrocities and rape of the advancing Red Army soldiers eager for revenge. And Marinesko is one of the representatives of this impending “horde of barbarians”. The author also draws attention to the fact that all four torpedoes prepared for the attack had the inscriptions - “For the Motherland”, “For the Soviet people”, “For Leningrad” and “For Stalin”. By the way, the latter just could not get out of the torpedo tube. The author describes the entire biography of Marinesco in some detail. It is emphasized that before the march he was called for interrogation by the NKVD for offenses, and only the departure to the sea saved him from the tribunal. His characteristic as a person with weaknesses, annoyingly repeated in the book by Grass, inspires on the emotional level to the reader the idea that the attack on Gustloff very much resembles a "war crime", this shadow is cast, although there is not the slightest basis for this. Yes, he drank not only narzan and loved to urge on women - who among the men in this is not sinful?

What kind of ship has launched at the bottom of Marinesko? The question here is much deeper - in the tragedy of war. Even the fairest war is inhuman, because civilians are the first to suffer from it. According to the inexorable laws of war, Marinesko stoked a warship. "Wilhelm Gustloff" had the appropriate signs: anti-aircraft armament and the flag of the German Navy, and also obeyed military discipline. In accordance with the UN Maritime Convention, it falls under the definition of a warship. And there is no fault at Marinesko in that he sank the ship, on which, besides the military, there were also refugees. A huge fault in the tragedy lies with the German command, which was guided by military interests and did not think about civilians. At a meeting at Hitler’s naval headquarters 31 in January 1945, the commander-in-chief of the German Navy stated that “from the very beginning it was clear that with such active shipments there must be a loss. Losses are always very heavy, but, to my great fortune, they have not increased. ”

Until now, we use data, in contrast to Schen figures, that 3700 submariners were killed at Gustloff, with which they could equip 70 crews of medium tonnage submarines. This figure, taken from the message of the Swedish newspaper "Aftonbladet" from February 2 1945, appeared in the award list A.I. Marinesko for the title of Hero of the Soviet Union in February 1945. But the type of commander of the submarine brigade of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet, Captain 1, rank L.А. Kurnikov lowered the level of the award to the Order of the Red Banner. A tenacious and legend, created in 1960, with the light hand of the writer Sergey Sergeevich Smirnov, who unveiled the unknown pages of the war at that time. But Marinesko was not "Hitler's personal enemy", and three-day mourning in Germany after the death of "Gustloff" was not declared. One of the arguments is that thousands more were waiting for the evacuation by sea, and the news of the disaster would have caused panic. Mourning was declared by Wilhelm Gustloff himself, the leader of the National Socialist Party in Switzerland, who was killed in 1936, and his murderer, student David Frankfurter, a Jew by birth, was called the personal enemy of the Fuhrer.

THE ACTIONS OF THE DOWNPAINS WHICH ARE ARRANGED UPON THEM

In 2015, the year to the 100 anniversary of the birth of A.I. Marinesko published a book by ME Morozova, A.G. Svisyuk, V.N. Ivaschenko “Submariner number 1 Alexander Marinesko. Documentary portrait "from the series" On the front line. The truth about the war. We must pay tribute, the authors have collected a large number of documents of the time and made a detailed analysis of this event of the Great Patriotic War.

However, reading their analysis, you have conflicting feelings. The authors seem to recognize "it is fully justified to award the Golden Star to the commander with two major victories" in this campaign, "if not for one, but huge but." "And the command of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet submarine brigade in 1945 managed to figure out this difficult matter by making the right decision." By “but” they mean precisely those weaknesses that are mentioned in this publication and describe Günther Grass in their story.

Also, the authors, recognizing the high risk of actions and the activity of C-13, call into question the heroic actions of the submarine crew, believing that “the general conditions of the situation at that time are perceived as rather simple, and the tactical situation at the time of the attack on Gustlof is even unprecedentedly easy . That is, from the point of view of the demonstrated skill and dedication, this particular case is very difficult to attribute to outstanding ones. ”

"Attack of the Century" dismantled in detail by experts. Speaking about the attack "C-13", it is worth first of all to note that almost the entire operation was carried out mainly in the surface position and in the coastal region. It was a big risk, since the submarine was in this position for a long time, and if detected (and Dantzing Bay - “home” for the Germans), it could with a high probability be destroyed. It is also worth mentioning the loss of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet. In the Baltic Sea, the most complex maritime theater, for various reasons, the 49 of Soviet submarines from the 65, which were in the fleet at the beginning of the war, was lost.

The analysis at the meeting at Hitler’s 31 January 1945 was interesting. In particular, it was stated that due to the lack of escort forces, the fleet had to confine itself to the direct escort of the convoys. The only actual means of anti-submarine defense were airplanes with radar installations, the very weapon, which made it possible to paralyze the fighting of their submarines. The Air Force reported that they lacked neither fuel nor sufficiently effective equipment for such operations. The Fuhrer ordered the Air Force commanders to address this issue.

Nor does the attack detract from the fact that Gustloff left Gotenhafen without a proper convoy before the scheduled time, without waiting for escort ships, since it was necessary to urgently transfer German submariners from the already surrounded East Prussia. The only ship in escort was only the destroyer Leva, which, moreover, with the 12 hub, began to lag due to strong waves and the northwest wind. The running lights on the “Gustloff” played a fatal role after a message was received about the movement of a detachment of German minesweepers towards it - it was along these lights that Marinesko discovered the transport. To enter the attack, it was decided to overtake the liner on a parallel course in the surface position, to take a position on the nasal course corners and launch torpedoes. Began a long hour overtaking "Gustloff". During the last half hour, the boat developed its almost maximum stroke to 18 knots, which it was unlikely to perform even in running tests in 1941. After that, the submarine lay down on the combat course, strictly perpendicular to the port side of the transport, and produced a three torpedo salvo. The subsequent maneuvers in the combat report of the commander of the C-13 submarine, Captain 3 of the rank of Marinesko, were written: “... Dodged an urgent dive ... 2 TFR (patrol ships) and 1 TSS (minesweeper) discovered the submarine and began its pursuit. During the pursuit, the depth bomb 12 was dropped. Detached from the pursuit of ships. He didn’t have any damage from the depth bomb explosions. ”

Domestic submarines, unfortunately, by the beginning of the war did not have modern electronic means of detection. Almost the main source of information on the surface situation at the submarine remained a periscope. The Mars-type direction finders, which were in service, allowed the ear to determine the direction to the noise source with an accuracy of plus or minus 2 degrees. The range of the equipment with good hydrology did not exceed 40 KB. The commanders of German, British and American submarines had hydroacoustic stations at their disposal. With good hydrology, German submariners found a single transport in the direction finding mode at a distance of 100 kb, and from a distance of 20 kb they could receive a distance to it in the Echo mode. All this, of course, directly influenced the effectiveness of the use of domestic submarines, and demanded great training from personnel. At the same time, in submariners, like no one else, one person, objectively, predominates in the crew, a kind of God in a single confined space. Thus, the identity of the commander and the fate of the submarine is something whole. During the years of war in the operating fleets of the USSR, 229 commanders - participants of 135 (59%) combat campaigns at least once went into a torpedo attack, but only 65 (28%) of them managed to hit targets with torpedoes.

In one campaign, the C-13 submarine sank three military torpedoes Wilhelm Gustloff with a 25 484 displacement t and three military torpedoes General Von Steuben, 14 660 t. submarine "C-20" was awarded the Order of the Red Banner. With its heroic actions, C-1945 has brought the end of the war closer.
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  1. Cat
    +10
    5 March 2017 15: 23
    Question to the story!
    Will William Gustloff drown?
    The answer is utop!
    No more questions!!!
  2. +9
    5 March 2017 16: 34
    Civilians are very sorry. But this is not Marinesco's fault, but Hitler and his monkey. I think if Marinesco knew that there were a large number of women and children on this MILITARY ship, he would not drown it. The war was drawing to a close already, and these navy men on this civilian vessel would not have decided anything even if they had reached the intended shores.
    1. +14
      5 March 2017 16: 51
      Quote: Vitalson
      I think if Marinesco knew that there were a large number of women and children on this MILITARY ship, he would not drown it.

      To do this, it would be enough to hang a flag with the Red Cross on the ship, but provided that there were no armed people on the ship, but they were present on this ship. So "Karl ...." LEGAL MILITARY PRODUCTION. And Marenescu, unlike "Daddy’s kids" didn’t shoot the people fleeing on the water.
      1. +6
        5 March 2017 21: 08
        In accordance with the international convention, to give Gustloff the status of a medical vessel, it was necessary to repaint it in white, draw red crosses on the sides, remove anti-aircraft guns and leave only wounded and civilians on board.
    2. +12
      6 March 2017 05: 59
      Only in one Leningrad would it be necessary to drown the whole of Nazi Germany.
  3. +21
    5 March 2017 17: 02
    Yes, Marinesco sent about 10 thousand fascists to the other world. He was buried in the Theological Cemetery, not far from the grave of my father (major), who died on the Leningrad Front on December 27, 1941.
    I personally knew Twice Hero of the Soviet Union Vice Admiral A.O. Shabalin. He (his torpedo boat) sent into the world more than 20 thousand fascists. He attacked fascist ships more than 140 times.
    Marinesco Hero. I have the honor.
    1. +1
      5 March 2017 19: 35
      Dear Michman, are you confusing anything? In your comment All information is true? No errors?
      1. +2
        5 March 2017 21: 27
        I sent you a separate message. Please read
        1. 0
          6 March 2017 14: 18
          I read and answered. Read it please.
  4. +9
    5 March 2017 18: 03
    With its heroic actions, the S-13 brought the end of the war closer.
    ..And this is reality ..
  5. +4
    5 March 2017 18: 22
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Vitalson
    I think if Marinesco knew that there were a large number of women and children on this MILITARY ship, he would not drown it.

    To do this, it would be enough to hang a flag with the Red Cross on the ship, but provided that there were no armed people on the ship, but they were present on this ship. So "Karl ...." LEGAL MILITARY PRODUCTION. And Marenescu, unlike "Daddy’s kids" didn’t shoot the people fleeing on the water.

    I do not blame Marinesco, the ugly nemchur is to blame for everything, they did not even regret their own, creatures .....
  6. +4
    5 March 2017 18: 29
    Well, this is the usual tactics of Western leaders: to expose civilians, especially women and children, to attack, and then blame their opponents for all the consequences.

    There was a story with the same “Lusitania”, the ship was listed as an auxiliary military vessel, and at the time of death it also carried military cargo in the holds, and not just orphans - by the way the question is, why did you need to urgently send a bunch of orphans across the ocean during the military action! Why did you need to send the ship with orphans to the most dangerous area at the same time! - and when the first German he met did what he inevitably had to do, they raised a howl.
  7. +11
    5 March 2017 18: 32
    Guys and the Eye are no longer playing for the Eye, and what was done by the deutch on the sea and Veronia and Armenia (just under the red cross) and shootings in the north from our people who surfaced U-boat, but what are you doing there ... We had the FULL right to erase everything Germany and only our eternal Slavic mercy .. By the way, Laimi didn’t bother and for their Conventry burned the cities for a sweet soul and that where there were screams and investigations, Marinesco and any Russian soldier were in their RIGHT. As Erinburg wrote how many times you meet a German so many times and kill and it is CORRECT
    1. +5
      5 March 2017 20: 54
      Quote: WapentakeLokki
      how many times will you meet a german so many times and kill him and it is CORRECT

      And this is not enough.
      After the atrocities of the Germans in the USSR, there is no place for these freaks on earth.
      Humanism is double-edged.
      Front-line soldiers told different things about a fair attitude to the enemy ...

      In April 1945, according to the stories of the artillery front-line soldier, they already knew about where and when the war would end.
      They took care of their own as they could.
      And whether the order was not known, but the gunner told me that their commander planned to have time to release all the ammunition in Berlin ....
      Perhaps this is the embodiment of justice.
    2. +6
      5 March 2017 21: 13
      What does mercy have to do with - on board the Gustloff, in addition to civilians, there were several thousand German troops who needed to be destroyed.

      In accordance with international conventions, the death of civilians in this case lies with the responsibility of the German command.
    3. +6
      7 March 2017 12: 00
      I can only express complete and complete agreement, there is nothing to repent of, in the west they only remember mercy when they start slaughtering them like pigs, they don’t care about the death of other people, and if you remember who were the main passengers on Gustlov and Stoiben, the question completely disappears, how many people would later drown these submarine passengers if they had got to their boats only God knows.
    4. +2
      7 March 2017 12: 27
      Quote: WapentakeLokki
      .We had the FULL right to erase all of Germany


      How would WE differ from THEM?
      1. 0
        10 June 2017 14: 57
        The fact that we defended against the invaders who came to destroy us. That's it.
  8. +7
    5 March 2017 18: 36
    I didn’t know that Chingiz Aitmatov was in the same shitty company as Lyasander Issakovich Solzhenitsyn, I had a better opinion of him.
    1. +1
      6 March 2017 23: 53
      At the height of perestroika, the year in 1988, in Komsomolka there was a vile article about Aitmatov, who advocated expanding schools teaching in the Kyrgyz language, while the newspaper reported that his children were studying in an English special school.
  9. +2
    5 March 2017 18: 50
    Of course, he is a wonderful submariner, but the command lowered the degree of his reward completely legally. Of course, after his drunken cheer before going on a combat mission, Marinesco deserved to be removed from his post, but there was a war, so it was decided to send him on a military campaign. He managed to carry out his “attack of the century”, but the reward was lowered quite correctly: if he had been given a Hero, then the number of successful attacks of our submariners would hardly have increased, but the number of drunken spree would have increased significantly. By the way, in his crew he would hardly have suffered such an active “rest” on the shore, he would have written off immediately. His rewarding in the 1990 year was absolutely illegal: now, if previously unknown circumstances had been discovered, they had to be made public and, on this basis, the status of rewarding should be increased by canceling the old one, and it so happened that he was awarded twice for one feat.
    1. Cat
      +1
      5 March 2017 19: 33
      Life and war have such zagigulins that without ...... you can’t understand! Your version has the right to live, but the rewarding of the essence of the feat does not beg. Not the first and not the last! Discipline and readiness to complete a feat are two sides of the coin, which in general only confirm the rule - winners are not judged. Man is a complex animal, sometimes not giving in to perception of its meaning and buakwe statute. Awarding Marinesco with a star of a hero is a recognition of the feat of the entire crew of the S-13, this is an awareness of the deed of the Fleet, this is another heroic stand in the history of our people.
      Afterword, but at school: Vasechkin, you broke a vase! Broke, for this minus one point for choral singing in music !!!
      It gets even worse when punished, through the collective!
      1. 0
        5 March 2017 19: 47
        Dear, then the command at first did not follow the letter of the law (did not remove Marinesco from the command), which is reasonable. And awarded not the highest measure, which is also reasonable. As for the crew - he trained him, they deserve rewards, especially since they did not go to port girls of low social responsibility at that moment and they received awards. The award process itself is important here: for one feat they are not awarded twice, but awarded only under new circumstances and with the cancellation of the previous award. But none of this was done.
    2. +2
      5 March 2017 21: 17
      Marinesco was lowered due to the envy of the Baltic Fleet submarine command, whose stupidity and stupidity led to the withdrawal of 45 submarines from 69 that were available at the beginning of the war.
      1. 0
        5 March 2017 22: 07
        Well, what can the KBF command envy - the opportunity to hang around for three days with a slut, or what? And C-13 has been dysfunctional all this time. I am sure that Marinesco himself would have given his navigator to a tribunal in such a situation, and would have been right. And about 1990 year - how to reward twice for one act, and to punish twice - is impossible. He described the procedure: due to newly discovered circumstances (circumstances are listed), the previous award is canceled and another one is appointed. And so it turned out a classic late-Soviet mess.
        1. +1
          6 March 2017 00: 34
          They envied that one Marinesco boat blocked all the BF submarines in terms of effectiveness.

          By the way, how do you know that the Finnish passion Marinesko was a whore - a great personal experience?
          1. 0
            6 March 2017 08: 51
            Glad you stand up for the honor of the Beautiful Stranger. It doesn’t matter. Let it be big and pure love, as a result of which the warship during the war on 3 of the day was disabled.
            1. 0
              6 March 2017 10: 48
              Directly disabled? And what, for three days the order to go to sea was not carried out?
              1. +1
                6 March 2017 23: 55
                And how will the boat go to sea without a commander? I dare to assure you - no way. That's why I didn’t get a Hero.
                1. 0
                  7 March 2017 00: 00
                  Once again - during the absence of Marinesco, an order was received to go to sea or was the boat at the base in a planned manner?

                  For your information, the boat team knew the address of the passion of Marinesco.
                  1. 0
                    7 March 2017 00: 23
                    Do you believe that Marinesco was supposed to be delivered to the PL by an armed patrol from his "girl of low social responsibility"? And what does the knowledge of the submarine team have to do with it? Did she take the whole team in turn? For all cases of disobedience to command (whatever you think it is) there is a war law. Due to his fault, 3 of the day, the submarine was not operational.
                    1. 0
                      7 March 2017 01: 55
                      So, you do not know anything about the order to go to sea submarines during the absence of Marinesco.

                      After all, if there was such an order, Marinesco would have been notified of it by the team within an hour and would have arrived on the boat.

                      Those. you are completely consciously erecting a slander to Marinesco in terms of depriving the combat effectiveness of the submarine.

                      By the way, where is the fact of disobedience of Marinesco to the command of the type not to leave the location of the unit (naval base) during the planned parking of the submarine?
                      1. 0
                        7 March 2017 08: 57
                        Hold on, defender. It seems that you have never led anyone, an expert on historical documents (scans, whatever you would provide).
  10. +2
    5 March 2017 21: 04
    M.E. Morozov, A.G. Svisyuk, V.N. Ivashchenko - deb.ly.
  11. 0
    5 March 2017 22: 25
    Without touching the moral and ethical side of this episode. I want to ask, why is this attack so remarkable that it is so pathetically called the "attack of the century" !!!! ????
    1. +1
      5 March 2017 23: 11
      Nothing. This is pure PR. The attack was not a record either in execution or in the number of victims.
    2. +3
      6 March 2017 00: 35
      The Marinesco attack is unique in tactics and outcome - see the reaction of the British Admiralty.
      1. +1
        10 March 2017 23: 16
        Neither tactics nor results were unique. Even for our fleet.
  12. 0
    5 March 2017 23: 09
    I wonder if Gustav was going without a convoy and weapons ....
    1. +3
      6 March 2017 00: 09
      Quote: Kenneth
      I wonder if Gustav was going without a convoy and weapons ....

      That would repeat the fate of “Armenia” in the Black Sea. There was enough one Thorodos carrier He-111.
      http://from-ua.com/news/7044-ukrainskie-uchenie-u
      stanovili-obstoyatelstva-gibeli-armenii.html
      Do not look that in the heading "Ukrainian scientists", this is really true research. Article 2005. The Tallinn Crossing was not mentioned here; more precisely, only one hospital ship was lost that died during this crossing: the Vironiya motor ship
    2. +1
      6 March 2017 00: 40
      “Gustloff”, in order to become a hospital ship, needed to be repainted in white and also to drive all military personnel who were not wounded ashore.
      1. +2
        6 March 2017 00: 46
        Quote: Operator
        and to drive ashore all military personnel, non wounded

        - laughing good laughing
        - inspired by:

        Quote: J. Hasek Adventures of the Good Soldier Schweik
        “So you are already here,” he said, turning to Schweik. “Ah, that brought you here.” Uh ... do you have any matches?
        “No way, Mr. Feldkurat,” Schweik answered.
        “Ah ... why don't you have matches?” Each soldier must have matches to light. A matchless soldier is ... is ... Well?
        - I dare to report, is without matches- prompted Schweik.
  13. +1
    6 March 2017 06: 51
    Is the "high moral" position of spitting upon Marinesco comparable to the morality of those bombing Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki? In my opinion it is quite comparable! am
  14. +4
    6 March 2017 09: 42
    in 1941, the Germans sank the ship "Armenia" with refugees and wounded. The Western press choir says that it was a military necessity and the point
    1. 0
      6 March 2017 12: 42
      Threat !!! The sinking of Armenia is of course also a tragedy, but it must be taken into account that it was armed, which will automatically exclude it from the class of hospital courts. She also went under the guise of security boats, and this is a military convoy
      1. +1
        6 March 2017 13: 43
        Threat 2! Gustlaff also had anti-aircraft guns and was also accompanied by a destroyer (Meve), and the plaintive howl about the victims of Bolshevism did not cease
        1. 0
          6 March 2017 16: 26
          Well, someone can and yells about the innocently killed, they just always struck the double standards with us. Gustlov drowned correctly, but Armenia could not be drowned. Although in fact, these two ships at the time of sinking carried the same status - the Armed Forces transport ... So about howling this is not for me hi
  15. +1
    6 March 2017 16: 57
    Quote: Nehist
    So what about howling is not for me

    Why not to you?
    Everyone sees what he wants, and here you see in a floating hospital with red crosses on it, marching with security, the same goal as military transport traveling as part of a military convoy. The only thing common is the presence of anti-aircraft weapons ...

    But in life, in one case a floating hospital was sunk, in another, military transport. Is it clear enough?
    1. +2
      6 March 2017 22: 15
      That is, you accuse the Germans of violating the rules of warfare at sea? That's just the violations were committed by the Soviet command. And carefully read above the presence of weapons on the ship automatically excludes the corble from the class of hospital.
      The Hague Convention puts forward the following requirements for hospital courts:
      . 1) The hospital ship should have been reported to both warring parties 2) It should be painted white and have a red strip along the side if it is equipped with private funds and green if the vessel is equipped at the expense of the government 3) The vessel should carry two national flags and below it the flag of the red cross. 4) It must also have red crosses in prominent places 5) The ship can be stopped and inspected not only by the courts of the belligerents, but also by the courts of neutral powers. 6) The vessel is obliged to provide assistance to all those in need, regardless of affiliation. 7) The vessel does not have the right to render any assistance of a military nature. 8) The entire personnel of the vessel is inviolable 9) In case of violation of the Hague Convention, the vessel is deprived of all its prerogatives 10) Violations by one hospital vessel gives the right not to recognize their rights for all other hospital ships of the enemy.
      The fact that Armenia was painted in a protective color and carried weapons does not bother you. In general, find about Armenia and see how many points were violated. Learn the mat part.
      1. +1
        7 March 2017 13: 43
        Beautifully written. It would be better for the Germans to explain what the Hague Convention is when they shot at the Red Crosses. By the way, (look in history), German and Italian submarines rescued their victims after a torpedo attack, but you were watched by "white and chubby" supporters of the Hague Convention in the person of the British and you began to actively drown, knowing full well that both military and civilians were being drowned. Result: the order of Dennitsa - not to provide any assistance to the victims.
        1. 0
          7 March 2017 14: 27
          Copy number 135

          Secretly

          The order of the commander of the submarine №121

          The following should not be sunk:

          a) Hospital ships. Identified by the following criteria:
          Military hospital ship, painted white, with a horizontal green stripe approximately 1.5 meters wide.
          Hospital courts of voluntary organizations have the same symptoms, but in addition to the indicated there is also a red stripe.
          All hospital ships carry a white flag with a red cross next to the national flag.

          The following English hospital ships have been registered

          Maine

          No. 1

          Life

          No. 8

          Atlantis

          No. 2

          Dorsetshire

          No. 23

          Isle of jersey

          No. 3

          St. Andrews

          No. 24

          wasna

          No. 4

          Somersetshire

          No. 25

          Ada

          No. 5

          St. David

          No. 27

          Orfordshire

          No. 6

          MV Amro

          No. 41

          Amarapoore

          No. 7

          Namund (Australia)

          9,115 BRT

          The numbers are marked on the bow and stern of the ships with white paint on a black background.

          b) Vessels chartered by Switzerland for her own needs, bearing the national flag of the owners, but also bearing the Swiss flag and the inscription "Schwitzerland" painted on the sides. (The Swiss Government guarantees that their cargo is exclusively for Switzerland).

          Signed: Doenitz
      2. 0
        8 March 2017 08: 00
        Quote: Nehist
        That is, you accuse the Germans of violating the rules of warfare at sea?

        Nunberg accused them
        You still do not understand what the conversation is about, you are a happy person.
        1. 0
          8 March 2017 13: 16
          No, it’s you, dear, you don’t understand what the conversation is about.
          1. 0
            13 March 2017 08: 48
            I perfectly understood, but the last “right war" was the Russo-Japanese war of the beginning of the last century. It’s not said by me.
            Alas, that’s the reality. People are fighting, not pieces of paper.
  16. 0
    7 March 2017 10: 25
    Aviator_,
    I didn’t pass pigs with you, "God chosen."
  17. 0
    7 March 2017 12: 30
    Quote: Operator
    In accordance with the international convention, to give Gustloff the status of a medical vessel, it was necessary to repaint it in white, draw red crosses on the sides, remove anti-aircraft guns and leave only wounded and civilians on board.

    What the hell ... cross ??? White and fluffy with great pleasure drowned medical vessels with LARGE RED CROSSES on board !!! Example: Tallinn Campaign of 1941. Black Sea: spacecraft’s departure from Odessa ... and other ... From the memoirs of veterans: RED CROSS ON A WHITE BACKGROUND - an excellent target for the German SUPER HUMAN!
    1. +1
      7 March 2017 13: 00
      The article and comments discuss the actions of Soviet sailors in relation to German ships.

      For reference, according to an international convention, a hospital ship should not only be disarmed, painted white with red crosses, but must also follow without a convoy of warships in order to be able to control the landing of enemy teams on board.

      For example, the cargo-passenger ship "Armenia", armed with anti-aircraft guns and sailing from a military boat as a convoy, was a legitimate target for the enemy. Responsibility for the sinking of "Armenia" lies with the command of the Black Sea Fleet.

      The same applies to the Tallinn crossing of the 1941 of the year - hospital ships followed as part of the convoy.

      What sunken hospital ship do you mean when defending Odessa in the 1941 year?
      1. 0
        8 March 2017 18: 03
        Quote: Operator
        For example, the cargo-passenger ship "Armenia", armed with anti-aircraft guns and sailing from a military boat as a convoy, was a legitimate target for the enemy. Responsibility for the sinking of "Armenia" lies with the command of the Black Sea Fleet. The same applies to the Tallinn Crossing of 1941 - hospital ships followed as part of the convoy.

        If it were written in 1904, it would be possible to discuss ...
        But today???
        After an avalanche of war crimes that were done for the sake of intimidation, for the sake of entertainment, out of personal revenge, or because of the dough ...
        Here one could recall the ruins of the Russian suburbs by the British, especially if there were not a single Russian soldier or sailor within a radius of hundreds of miles ... even during the Crimean War.
        One can recall the behavior of the Japanese, trained by the British in naval affairs, in the Sino-Japanese war ...
        The Germans are also good - the sinking of "Lusitania" and a few dozen more single vessels in the first world ...
        Gas attacks on everyone indiscriminately - and soldiers, and the wounded, and nurses ...

        For this reason, only a frank D.S.R.A.K. could send vehicles with evacuated and wounded without a convoy. This is about “Armenia”, “Vienibe” and our other transport vessels ...
        I have never experienced any humane illusions.
        He knew that the war against the USSR has always been and will be total — namely against the People.

        I have considered and are treating international treaties as an attempt to enlist indulgence in case of military defeat. Allegedly, they fought and killed. but ... not to blame. The military, the communists, .... supposedly you can kill ...

        The sinking of "Gustlov" I think is absolutely fair action ...

        For the bombing or daily artillery shelling of Leningrad is a billion times greater war crime than the sinking of a fascist ship with war criminals on board.
        1. 0
          8 March 2017 18: 42
          Correctly consider - "Gustloff" was sunk fairly. But also legally - within the framework of an international convention.

          Criminal negligence on the part of the command of the Black Sea and Baltic Fleets was committed with “Armenia” and “Vienibe” - hospital ships are necessary:
          - or paint as required by the convention, remove anti-aircraft weapons and ship at sea without a convoy;
          - or disguise, put anti-aircraft weapons and send them to the sea as part of a convoy.
  18. 0
    7 March 2017 13: 19
    Quote: Nehist
    Well, someone can and yells about the innocently killed, they just always struck the double standards with us. Gustlov drowned correctly, but Armenia could not be drowned. Although in fact, these two ships at the time of sinking carried the same status - the Armed Forces transport ... So about howling this is not for me hi

    Of course it’s right: the one who has double standards yells - the Aryans (genetically developed nation) were sunk (“Gustlov” is a crime !!! “Armenia” - you think, “the Slavs are not pregenetic” !!!
    1. 0
      7 March 2017 13: 33
      I do not care! What Armenia what Gustlov! They de jure that de facto were armed vehicles and marched as part of a convoy. And in general, according to the documents of July 13, 1941. Not recognizing the convention on hospital wards was mutual that from Germany and that from the USSR! There is an official letter from the People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs of the USSR V.M. Molotov to the envoy of Bulgaria in the USSR I. Stamenov. It was through Bulgaria that the entire deep correspondence was conducted during the war between the USSR and the Third Reich.
      1. 0
        7 March 2017 13: 57
        Bulgaria participated in WWII on the side of Germany, therefore, no correspondence between the USSR and the Third Reich through it was conducted. During WWII, the NKID of the USSR unilaterally notified the German Foreign Ministry through the Swedish Foreign Ministry.

        Neither the USSR nor Germany refused to recognize the status of hospital courts. In addition, Germany was also a party to the international convention for the protection of hospital courts, which obliged it to comply with the convention even with respect to non-participating states. What Germany actually did in relation to the USSR, which in turn actually did in relation to Germany.

        Germany violated the relevant international convention only in relation to Soviet prisoners of war.
        1. 0
          7 March 2017 14: 13
          “I have the honor to bring to your attention that after the fact of a systematic treacherous violation by the German government of international treaties and conventions, the Soviet government cannot believe that the Hague Convention will be respected by the German government. In view of the fact that the Soviet government has already protested against the incidents by the German army shelling of Soviet hospitals, contrary to the basic rules of international law, the Soviet government has every reason to suspect that the German government will not comply with the provisions of the Hague Convention and that hospital ships will be used for military purposes.

          By virtue of the foregoing, the Soviet government cannot agree to the application in respect of these ships of the regime provided for by the Hague Convention of October 18, 1907. "
          USSR Commissar of Foreign Affairs V.M. Molotov to the Envoy of Bulgaria in the USSR I. Stamenov
          And in a state of war, the USSR and Bulgaria were only from September 5, 1944 !!!
          1. 0
            7 March 2017 14: 43
            MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

            DOCUMENTS FOR FOREIGN POLICY
            22 June 1941 - 1 January 1942
            MOSCOW "INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS" 2000

            VOLUME TWENTY-FOUR

            LETTER OF THE PEOPLE'S COMMISSAR OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE USSR V.M. MOLOTOV TO THE AMBASSADOR OF BULGARIA IN THE USSR I. STAMENOV
            July 13 1941 city

            Mr. Messenger!
            Confirming receipt of your notes from 11 and 12 on July this year Concerning the announcement by the German government of the name of the vessels intended for use in the Baltic Sea and the Arctic Ocean as military infirmaries, I have the honor to bring to your attention that after the facts of the systematic treacherous violation by the German government of international treaties and conventions, the Soviet government cannot believe that that the Hague Convention will be respected by the German government. In view of the fact that the Soviet government has already protested against the shelling of Soviet hospitals by the German army, contrary to the basic rules of international law, the Soviet government has every reason to suspect that the German government will not comply with the provisions of the Hague Convention and that they will use hospital ships for military purposes .
            By virtue of the foregoing, the Soviet government cannot agree to apply to these ships the regime provided for by the Hague Convention of October 18 on October 1907.
            I ask you, Mr. Messenger, to accept the assurances of my highest consideration for you.
            V. Molotov
            WUA RF. f. 74. op. 23, paragraph 12, d. 1. l 67.
            http://www.katyn-books.ru/archive/foreign/Doc.vne
            sh.polit_24.htm

            PS In fact, this does not change anything - Germany and the USSR during the whole war did not sink a single hospital ship that meets the requirements of the international convention.
            1. 0
              7 March 2017 22: 17
              I agree, with the exception of one case! This is the sinking of the Luftwaffe Vienibe
              1. 0
                7 March 2017 22: 30
                On 27 of June 1941 of the year, the hospital ship "Vienibe" left Liepaja escorted by three torpedo boats, which is a violation of the international convention.
                1. 0
                  8 March 2017 02: 36
                  After being driven by boats through minefields, the boats departed from Vienna. N Emets command was warned.
                  Therefore, when Veniba left the port of Liepaja, German artillery did not fire at it, but no one decree the Luftwaffes.
                  Escort boats were to take the ship out of port. From mine type and all that. They could not accompany this slow-moving vessel along the entire route.
                  The torpedo boats that went out with him = went south. And they could neither shoot at the planes nor cover the ship - in fact, they were taking the ship out of the port separately, and on a different course. Only after the Germans dropped bombs and machine-gun attack did boats come to the scene of the tragedy and tried to cover the dead
                  1. 0
                    8 March 2017 10: 58
                    What color was the “Vienibe” - a white body, a green stripe, a mustard-colored pipe?
  19. +1
    7 March 2017 13: 54
    Quote: Cynic
    Quote: Nehist
    So what about howling is not for me

    Why not to you?
    Everyone sees what he wants, and here you see in a floating hospital with red crosses on it, marching with security, the same goal as military transport traveling as part of a military convoy. The only thing common is the presence of anti-aircraft weapons ...
    But in life, in one case a floating hospital was sunk, in another, military transport. Is it clear enough?

    And "for life" explain to the fascist: WHERE A GREAT RED CROSS, and where is the military transport !!! He is color blind when he fights on the Eastern Front !!!
    1. 0
      8 March 2017 18: 12
      Quote: Aleks Neym
      And "for life" explain to the fascist: WHERE A GREAT RED CROSS, and where is the military transport !!! He is color blind when he fights on the Eastern Front !!!

      True!
      And, as it turned out, on the eastern front all the geyropeytsy become fascists ...
  20. 0
    7 March 2017 15: 00
    What are you up to now, dear geyropov !!! The question was asked: is Marinesco right or wrong? War! Maybe he, as a prize, should have surfaced, captured and brought in tow? And the sheep are safe and the wolves are full! But what about the three German submarine captains who bet on 300000 tons? I ask YOU, cherish yours, Slavic, HEROES !!! Zapadentsev on your asshole so there! Fools and so enough !!!
    1. 0
      7 March 2017 22: 21
      Dear, you really get to the bottom of the matter! Here no one denies the legitimacy of the sinking of Gustlov. And it is in your country to break into a geyvropu and not ours, so please be so kind as to keep order and do not be rude to unfamiliar people.
  21. 0
    8 March 2017 22: 20
    The article abounds with inaccuracies. When serving on the BF, the first thing the commissars told us about this victory. This, of course, is a military masterpiece and the character of the commander is fully manifested. Gustlov left Pillau, the main contingent was a sub-school and part of it was a civilian population. When a convoy was discovered, the boat began to catch up with the vehicle, which accelerated. The convoy commander used an anti-submarine maneuver, but who would have thought that the boat in the surface position would catch up with the ship and even manage to calm the guard ship, responding with a semaphore. Further, the transport was sunk from the feed torpedo tubes. The Germans had boats, but the crews were sunk. Even if he did not have other victories, only for this he and the crew should have been awarded. But the Political Administration of the BF prevented this, and after the war, the Political Administration of the Navy.
  22. 0
    9 March 2017 15: 26
    Quote: Nehist
    Dear, you really get to the bottom of the matter! Here no one denies the legitimacy of the sinking of Gustlov. And it is in your country to break into a geyvropu and not ours, so please be so kind as to keep order and do not be rude to unfamiliar people.

    The icon means nothing: this is the place of registration. I HAVE ONE MOTHERLAND, and I swore the Oath ONCE! (Although how many times I have been sworn in - to sign a gray piece of paper). Geyropeytsy in the comments on this article are those who rant: what. where, what colors? weapons (whether or not)? security nearby, al at some distance? Does the Hague Convention (GK) know: both the captain of the sunken ship and the commander of the pl? ... and other, other ,,, So all the same: in whose interests is this disassembly: gay people or to the glory of the SOVIET PEOPLE ??? Is Koteshche right - drowning? - utop !, no questions!
  23. 0
    10 March 2017 02: 33
    That is not the Germans to blame Russia. German aircraft and submarines often bombed and drowned both ships and railway echelons with clearly visible signs of the red cross.
  24. kig
    0
    19 October 2017 03: 48
    Here, many people write that since there were not only military, but also civilians on board the vessel, the German military command was to blame for this, which did not think about civilians. And let's recall the evacuation of Sevastopol and Odessa, and the death of Armenia’s transport, sunk by a torpedo bomber. There, by the way, almost more people died than on Gustlof. If you follow this logic, the Black Sea Fleet command is to blame for the death of Armenia, as it armed ambulance vehicles with anti-aircraft guns and loaded some military personnel there. And the WAR is to blame, which began not on our initiative. No one has yet disputed the fact of the German attack.

    I once worked on a ship under the German flag. All the officers there were Germans, and I was a Russian among myself. And we had a German old-timer, very similar to a Viking. A red beard, a fierce face, a trumpet voice, hands thick with my leg. He was born near Kaliningrad somewhere in the 38-39 year, and everyone dreamed of going to see those places. I don’t know if he succeeded or not. Once, after a bottle of beer, he told how in 45, he and his mother were fleeing the Soviet troops. On the way, the convoy had to cross the lake, but the Russian planes bombed the ice, so they had to linger, and in the end they were late for the ship that was going to Germany. Very upset. But the Russian submarine drowned the ship, and when they found out about it, they were very happy. Then he swallowed again, spread his arms and said - that was the time. I asked - and the name of the vessel was not William Gustlof? Yes, he answered, how do you know? Yes, we all know about this, I said. And his father - he continued - died in Stalingrad, they were littered in the basement of the house, and when they dug up, they were all whole, no wounds, only dead. Another German, a senior mechanic from the former German Democratic Republic, recalled - and my father was held captive, and I still remember the obscene ditties that he often sang. And mine, I said, was seriously wounded in Poland and did not participate anymore - I was lucky. And we got goofy with bottles.
  25. 0
    18 December 2017 15: 24
    "He loved to run after women - which of the men is not sinful in this?" - how far the author is from European values.)))
  26. 0
    19 March 2018 20: 21
    "Domestic submarines, unfortunately, did not have modern electronic detection means by the beginning of the war." Radio waves propagate very poorly in salt water. then and now the main tool for submariners is Sonar,

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