Ukrainian version for Belarus

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Ukrainian version for Belarus


At first glance, it was difficult to find two nearby post-Soviet countries with such a difference in ideology, economy, foreign and domestic policy, as Ukraine and Belarus. Here and there, just everything was different, if RB stubbornly "clinging" of the Soviet legacy and the Soviet experience in the field of social organization, Ukraine resolutely tore them. Ukraine has never positioned itself as "the best and the last ally of Russia", the political system in Ukraine and Belarus differs fundamentally. But fate can not be fooled. Rock dominates over kings and pharaohs.



Looking at the misadventures of Blue-eyed, you involuntarily recall the sad fate of Oedipus, and even the Oedipus complex can develop. It seems that the fate (fate, kismet) still exists and it does not get away from anyone, neither the king nor a hero nor a beggar ... It's a shame, you know. I want free will, and not observed it. The funny thing is that the mentality of the Belarusians and Ukrainians differ very seriously, and if Ukraine - "Solyanka", the RB - very homogeneous. But when the initial parameters are completely different, the result for some reason turns out to be very, very similar.

One of the reasons, probably, is the following: both there and there, the “titans” of thought ultimately came to power. In Russia, we unwittingly automatically transfer our understanding of the situation to other countries, but this is not always true. In Ukraine / Belarus, in this regard, "the pipe is lower and the smoke is thinner." Provinces.

That is what the "elites" of these newly formed states saw the "main danger"? Right! In the "attempt of annexation by Russia". It was against this main danger that they began to "build barriers." One can only envy the frank idiocy of such an approach: forcibly absorbing the 50-million independent Ukraine (provided that the economy and the state work normally) by the forces of the 150-million Russia is almost impossible. If you think a little about this issue (without emotion), then everything falls into place. It is technically impossible. No, if there was a sincere desire from the Ukrainian side, if we start this process at the end of 90 ... It sounds funny, of course.

To any adequate person familiar with the state of minds in Ukraine, it is absolutely clear that “the absorption of Ukraine” is a mythology. Technically impossible because. No, you can dream, but no more. Then what were the "integration efforts of Moscow" aimed at? And the economy as a whole is much more profitable to use. Formerly shared - gave big bonuses. Hardly anyone in the Russian leadership of the end of the 90-x / beginning of the 0-x was so politically naive, that he could dream of recreating the USSR. Stupidity because both. Absolute. But it was precisely this that was feared in Kiev ... And it was precisely against this that barriers were erected. Funny, huh?

They considered themselves so “wise”: they revealed the Kremlin’s dreadful plan. Children, by God. That is, it was assumed that Russia would “join” Ukraine of the last of its strength. The fact that this requires huge political and economic resources, was somehow not taken into account. And even today, many naive people in Russia do not understand this. A certain economic integration was offered, which was very beneficial for Ukraine, given the structure and geography of its trade. That is, the pragmatists were sitting quite in the Kremlin. The trouble is that in Kiev there were frank amateurs. They understood everything simply.

Recall only the magical, fabulous plan "3 + 1". According to it, Ukraine has in the CU almost the same rights as the rest of the country 3, but at the same time retains full “free hand” The reason for such a rare naivety: distrust of Russia and the openly amateurish level of Ukrainian politicians. That is, the entire complexity of world politics and economics was absolutely inaccessible to them. Moscow offers something there - it means that the Russians want to seize Ukraine. Ukrainian nationalism was largely unwound by the “local” for precisely this reason (such a “secret combo”). As a result, Ukraine has managed to build “anti-integration barriers” very well. It is a pity, this cannot be said about the economy and statehood.



The funny thing is that it is a policy we have the good fortune to observe in "brotherly Belarus". One to one, even embroidered. The trend, however. About the fact that “everything is good and someone is stirring up there,” I'm sorry, the Ukrainians literally, before Odessa (and after Odessa!), Tried to say something like that. Literally, when there was a war, the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine beat the residential areas of Slavyansk at close range. What, they say, someone is "inciting" something. This is called a cover operation. By the way, none of those who carried it out in Ukraine, now “does not get in touch”. Our “Ukrainian friends” have disappeared somewhere.

If “all is well”, then this should be observed in fact, and not painfully “stretched.” Just the “reference points” in Belarus and Ukraine are painfully similar: an attempt to blackmail with a valve, an attempt to blackmail with NATO bases. The desire to squeeze the maximum out of economic cooperation with Russia and at the same time the desire to distance itself politically from it as much as possible. Constant signals to the West that Russia is threatening them ... Lukashenko’s frankly boorish statements against Russia pursue precisely this goal: to provoke a tough reaction from Moscow. After that, Makei can run to the west and “cry into the waistcoat” - we are offended by bad Russians. And that was all. With Ukraine.

Belarusian nationalism pursues the same goal - to guarantee the “non-alignment regime” to Russia. Which, by the way, makes you think about how real Belarus is at all ... For some reason, the Belarusian authorities considered from the very beginning a single “risk scenario” for Belarus - an attempt to annex Russia, and actively put obstacles in it. Such are the "cunning and thoughtful." Russophobia planted from above and nationalism planted from above serve precisely this purpose.



“Belarusian patriots” are considering exactly this scenario: Russians will come to us, and we will “meet them with dignity”. Funny happened. These very sentiments: nationalism and Russophobia, once launched, sooner or later had to get out of control. It's like in Kiev, the very "pre-prepared" nationalists on the basis of the demolished power itself. But did Yanukovych prepare them not against himself? Funny, by the way, it turned out. This is me on the events of the Maidan-2. Funny. Where, in fact, in the capital of Ukraine took all these "radishes"? Good Yanukovych, good Berkut ... Do not be so naive. Russophobia and nationalism in the Ukraine were fed for decades. And in the winter of 2013 / 14, it all worked.

Only one small attempt by Yanukovich to make a step towards Moscow led to the unification of Ukrainian political forces. against him and its subsequent demolition. Taking a small step towards Moscow from Europe, Yanukovych immediately found himself in complete political isolation. Yanukovych temporarily refused the Euro-Association and signed something with Putin, taking the money from him. And this led to a political explosion in Kiev. The fraternal Ukrainian people, he is so ... fraternal. That is, the nationalism of the Russophobic plan, once launched, sooner or later gets out of control.

Before Yanukovych loomed "fork": Ukraine urgently needs money that Europe does not give, but Putin gives, but the entire Ukrainian political council is waiting for Yanukovych to sign the Euro-Association (and not to join the CU!). It makes no sense to scold Yanukovych - he certainly wasn’t a good politician, but he didn’t have any good options either. As a result of many years of propaganda, Russophobic nationalism spun out of control and hit hard on the head of those who took care of it and cherished it. "Pro-Russian position", which the President of Ukraine forcedly took at the end of 2013 year, turned out to be absolutely suicidal. People against People were set on Russia for a very long time. Funny, huh? “Bagatovector” existed only while the same Azarov denoted movement east An attempt to really move there led to a complete demolition of the regime. Such is the “bagatovector”. Step to the right, step to the left ... That is, the economic vector is to the east, the political vector is to the west. So much for your “bagovatovnost”.

Say: good Yanukovych, good Golden Eagle? Oh well. With Belarus is about the same. Funny fact: Belarusians are accustomed to call themselves “Russian allies”. They are accustomed to it and take it for granted. However, even if in a veiled form, the processes of propaganda of nationalism / Russophobia were launched here. Sooner or later it was supposed to work. Inevitably had to. Until a certain moment the dog turns its tail, then the tail begins to turn the dog. If you said A, then sooner or later doydosh to the soft sign.

For Russians, the most surprising was the lack of support from the Republic of Belarus during the South Ossetian conflict. Complete absence. And this, excuse me, is just the result of long-term propaganda and not at all in the pro-Russian vein. The Belarusians did not like Russia's actions against Saakashvili’s eagles. And they did not support us. Yes, and it happened not at all suddenly: let us remember two Chechen acts, terrorist attacks in Russia - did you hear anything about help from the Republic of Belarus? Me not. Until a certain point, it was possible to disguise and “blather”, but in the end the situation became completely indecent. In the end, it would be possible to somehow clarify some distance from conflicts in the post-Soviet space, but the war in Syria ... Where Russia clashed with the wicked ISIL banned in Russia ...

Even in this critical case of fighting the blatantly anti-human infection, Belarus did not provide any support. Not even diplomatic. Silence. Whose official side is Minsk in this conflict? Good question, yes?



Well, for us, this is all a surprise and causes complete incomprehension, but for Belarusians, everything is in order. They went to this for a long time. By the construction of Belarus, which is not Russia even once. Once again about the fact that all this is not true and in fact ... There is, excuse me, the foreign policy of the state of Belarus, which does not cause mass discontent within the country. There is a Belarusian (Russian-language!) Press. There are numerous comments on this press. And everything “hits”, and everything “fits”. For Belarusians, the war of Russia in Syria is a foreign war. Moreover, there is a certain dissatisfaction - Russia has "climbed" somewhere (without the permission of the radiant West, how impudent!).

If someone does not know, then in the Belarusian press, the Crimea is “annexed”, and that’s just that and nothing else. Surprising in all this disgrace is not enough. People have been brainwashed for many years, that, they say, there is some kind of “Rush” there, and there is Belarus ... practically “holy land”. I want to cry of emotion and blow my nose in a handkerchief. All these years, Lukashenko was preparing to rebuff the case "attempts of annexation." He explained to Belarusians that they were not Russians. He did it perfectly well. He cleaned up the political space in Belarus even better (and this person wants to go to Europe!).

But nothing more he did not work at all. Strange man, is not it? In general, some kind of elite in Belarus is so many years engaged in such nonsense. Kindle nationalist passions and spread rot to the economy. We then thought, we have some kind of cooperation, development, integration here, and the Belarusian leadership, wryly smiling, secretly snarled the trenches. As a result, Belarus is in fact bankrupt, but Lukashenko’s ideological component is all right. Most of the young Belarusians know that Belarus is “hoo”, that if they are “climbed from the east” to them ... It reminds something, isn't it? Harvesting cannon fodder on an industrial scale. That is, this "mоlodging "categorically does not imagine today where it will work and what to live for ... but if they" come to them from the east "...



Simply, the Moscow-Minsk dialogue follows a rather stupid and quite familiar trajectory: the proposal to pay for gas in response is followed by accusations of political pressure. There is gas consumed, there are bills for it, you have to pay ... nothing to pay. It is loud, hysterical politicized - aggression, energy blackmail. It’s categorically uninteresting to talk about it, if only because we have already done all this with Ukraine. When a political play is played out around gas bills.

Remind me how it ended with Ukraine? That is, instead of paying for gas, Lukashenko assumes to engage in political blackmail: you will demand payment in full - there will be scandals ... By the way, he could solve some of his problems with gas and other “nishtyaks” simply: showing permanent political loyalty. That with complete economic dependence is quite logical. But Lukashenka is too “proud” for this. And besides, and the people waiting for "hard decisions" from him. Propaganda has given its fruits.

And here we have such a funny conflict: the state categorically refuses to support Russian policy, but at the same time it is tough requires increasing subsidies to infinity. The funny thing is that for many Belarusians it seems quite logical - Russia should pay Belarus for the very fact of its existence. And pay dearly! Listen, I thought here: why do we need all these difficulties with the "fraternal peoples", let's take on the maintenance of Honduras? And there will be more sense, and less money is needed ... Well, if we want to help someone, then we can help Honduras ...

You know, in fact, there is no conflict in relations between Belarus and the Russian Federation. In fact, we have a dead end from which there is no way out. Belarus has no respect for Russia and no desire to help her and do something for her. There is a certain irony: from the point of view of the Belarusian elites, the United States and the EU are doing real politics, and Russia is also “climbing” somewhere ... But Russia is obliged to help them. The last few years have been actively “knocking out” of material resources from Russia (it was before, but not so obvious).

Putin and Lukashenko not agree about anything, because Alexander G. wants everything and for free. And Vladimir Vladimirovich, this whole bother with Minsk was already fed up with order. There will be no more gifts, and Mr. Lukashenko is not ready to make political concessions on principle. Here “Yanukovych syndrome” starts to work - any attempt to begin to give Moscow at least something serious can shake the throne of the President of Belarus. Both before the people and before the elites, he clearly stated his principle: “Not a bit of concessions to Moscow. They will come and all will give. Because you have me. " Retreat from this he can not. Late, you had to think before. Understand, yesterday Lukashenko did not want to pursue a pro-Russian policy (he was capricious), today he can’t.

So today the political configuration in Minsk has developed, that the beginning of a frankly pro-Russian foreign policy would be political suicide for Lukashenko. For too long, he played in the "sovereign" that now he could play back - sweep the avalanche. Tail already wags the dog. At one time, the “kind and affectionate” Putin actually drove Yanukovich into a corner: the receipt of money was strictly due to frank pro-Russian steps. After that, someone reproaches Putin for “softness” and “naivety” - why was it given money to Ukraine? All one does not return. This is if you do not take into account what these very “pro-Russian steps” for the Ukrainian president were fraught with - almost everyone betrayed him.



In many respects, the situation for Lukashenko is similar: there are “elites” who look to the West and who are “comfortable” there, there are pro-Western young people, there is “an agonizing sense of Europeanism”. If Lukashenka suddenly places the Russian base and recognizes the Crimea ... it could destroy consensus in society. But even in our difficult times, Putin is totally uninteresting to sponsor it is not clear what. There are some dull and uncertain allies who categorically object to some joint action.

In principle, Lukashenko is to blame for himself - it was he who let the genie of nationalism out of the bottle. He and deal with him. In general, he is not from evil - just such a person has a “prediction level”. He was just pawned on the option when "climb from the east" ... and then the nationalists. That is, this very statement of Lukashenka about Belarus in the role of Chechnya is by no means accidental. And precisely for this, all this jazz and all these disgraces that caused the sincere discontent of the Russians were created. Lukashenko considered the “Russian aggression” almost a “decided case” and was actively preparing to resist it. Including the forces of nationalists. Here you have Belarus! Take a bite!

Unfortunately, the people in the Kremlin were not so romantic, and no one planned to “cross the border”. From the word completely, dumb idiots. Lukashenka was simply politely asked to pay for the gas consumed and politely put the border guards on the frontiers with Belarus. And Lukashenka has a full-blown economic crisis at home and the rise of nationalists. And what should he do with all this? We somehow underestimate the internal political movements in Belarus, but they exist, and they do not intersect with Russian in any way. The economy is falling, growing discontent, growing destructive moods. That very nationalism is growing ... And the nationalists blame the “pro-Russian course” of Belarus and membership in the EEU.

There are no “pro-Russian sentiments” there as the mainstream. But the volume of aid from the east is urgently required. Hence the tough conflicts. Once upon a time, Lukashenka had a choice - whether to make a bet on Russophiles or Russophobes. Today he has no choice. The situation is like Yanukovych at the end of 2013 year ... You need to get help from the country, a friendly policy towards which is absolutely impossible. Therefore, hard blackmail. Alexander Grigorievich’s space for maneuver is strictly limited: one cannot get money, one can be swept away, but one cannot go to the conditions of the Kremlin either ... similarly. The only salvation for him is defiantly “bending over” Putin and knocking out a lot of money and other “nishtyakov” ... From here arrests and provocations ...



I do not feel, you know, optimism about the prospects for Belarus ... We absolutely do not want to study the "intra-Belarusian" situation. Belarusians are not different from us in language and not history. Strong differences are observed in the current political situation and, if in history, in the newest (the most recent). Russia did not receive any support in the Belarusian society during the recent conflicts. What caused serious disappointment in the "ally". According to my observations, it was precisely in the last two years that the attitude towards Belarus in Russia deteriorated sharply. It is impossible to constantly call yourself an ally, but not to confirm this in practice. Sooner or later, questions will begin, serious questions.

Belarusians today, in turn, categorically do not care about the problems and tasks of Russia, the interest is purely mercantile in nature: access to the Russian market, obtaining loans ... in gratitude, people are ready to make a little smile ... Any refusal causes hysteria in terms of "fraternal integration" they are less interested ... The whole trouble is that in Belarus there was no “shock therapy”, there was no “wild capitalism” and people just don’t “catch up” with what. Well, remember us in 1989, the year itself ... Remember, remember ... what a frank heresy we believed in ...

Somehow, over time, this is forgotten, but socialism, in addition to positive ones, also had negative features. Yes Yes exactly. The good remains in the memory, the bad is forgotten ... I'm not talking about queues, if someone thought about it. I'm talking about social demagogy, a phenomenon that is very common at the end of socialism. "Some words for kitchens, others for streets ..." That's right. If someone does not remember, many were convinced that “balabolit” in response to very specific questions is a kind of magic wand. To those who have no such experience, explain it. absolutely useless. It must be experienced. Such is the special cut of world history: the ideological society to the limit at the end of ideology.

The time when political slogans turned into idle spells, but everyone continued to tinker together ... Then in Russia (Ukraine) there were “dashing 90-e”, in Russia there was Chechnya. So a citizen of the Russian Federation sample 2001, fundamentally different from the late Soviet inhabitants of the USSR. Demagoguery has lost its usefulness / attractiveness / respect. One of the few good features of 90's: in Russia, they learned to be “responsible for the bazaar”. In Ukraine, for some reason, this did not happen ... And all the more so, nothing like this happened in Belarus. One solid, almost continuous socialism. But socialism has not only positive features.



Perhaps RB - a product of "decay" of the Soviet system. Cynically, I agree, but Belarus didn’t cause and doesn’t cause any stormy enthusiasm, I don’t see any reason, point-blank. To hell with them, with money, but in the field of morality / ideology, everything is not so healthy and rosy, as they try to imagine. What was definitely good in the USSR was anti-fascism. And nothing funny (as shown by the subsequent history of Europe) is not here. By the way, I remember the LiveJournal of one of our compatriots in modern Germany: his friend (German) receives money from an ATM and immediately a gaggle of "madmen" is drawn nearby. Our man (not burdened with tolerance) flooded them with a threatening face and sent ... loud and far.

"Beshentsy" fled, but a bunch of indignant outright xenophobia of the Germans has gathered. And then our friend explained the situation in German, but using some Russian idiomatic expressions, having heard that the Germans immediately dispersed. Logic: mate means Russian means not fascist. This is exactly what unites us and shares with Europeans: attitude to fascism. Once again, if someone does not understand: this is what separates Russians from Europeans. Interesting is the refraction of this issue in Ukraine. The word "fascist" tightly entered the Russian language as a curse, and there's nothing you can do about it. So, what should the “poor Ukrainians” do against the background of the worship of Ban Bandera and all these torchlight processions?

Powerful attempts have been made and are being made to prove that fascism is just in Russia ... and not in Ukraine. War and the Germans.

The logic is simple (childish): all Ukrainians are good, which means they cannot be bad fascists by definition; All Russian bad-so here they are the Nazis! Even the fact that Russia is a strong, prosperous state in this context is associated by Ukrainians with Hitler and his empire. Hearing accusations from fans of the SS Division "Galicia" in fascism - is "something with something." However, Ukrainians do not consider themselves fascists. Such a ... squiggle.

So Belarus cannot cause any piety of Belarus even for this simple reason: there is no rejection of fascism, it is absent as a class. The marches of the SS legionnaires in neighboring Latvia and close Estonia (and later in Kiev!) Did not provoke a harsh and hostile reaction from Minsk. By no means. They are friends with neighbors, no matter what colors they painted themselves. One gets the impression that their neighbors have no problems ... Everything is a bundle. The problem of political rights of Russian-speakers in the same Latvia is also not interesting for Minsk. From the word at all.

And now, on the basis of this, one would doubt the prosperous prospects of the very "Union State". Somehow in the first step a million questions arise. Somehow, gentlemen, comrades, very little than Belarus resembles the USSR, nothing in common. People actively use the Soviet legacy, but on principles of society they have long been abandoned.



The fascist coup in Kiev and the triumph of the Right Sector didn’t cause any exclusion from the official Minsk either. And this is, sorry, the diagnosis. That is, fascism / anti-fascism - for the official Minsk is the subject bargaining and discussion. Here, in my opinion, it was all over. The official position of the Republic of Belarus: the current government in Kiev is completely legitimate, and the Crimea is annexed (as written in Belarusian newspapers).

In fact, the problems were accumulated for a very long time, just in Moscow they stubbornly closed their eyes on them, and from a certain moment it became impossible to close their eyes. That is, there will never be a “rollback” in mutual relations. It's impossible. The differences are fundamental. The wide and powerful financing of the Republic of Belarus before 2009 was explained very simply: it was our “outpost” and there was no pity for any money. The official Minsk really liked the fact that “money is not a pity”, but then the war broke out in South Ossetia ... and it turned out that the “outpost” was frankly rotten.

That is, the recognition / non-recognition of South Ossetia was not interesting in itself, but primarily as a “lice check”. So, "daddy" it fell down. The recognition of the two new states of the Republic of Belarus did not make much difference in terms of world tiles, but clearly signaled readiness to support Russia at a difficult moment. And this very readiness was not demonstrated. “And if there is no difference, then why pay more?” It is strange that so far no one in Minsk wanted to understand the direct connection between subsidies and allied relations.

Rather, as already mentioned, the socialist demagogy in Belarus has never been “killed” by anyone, so there’s absolutely no reason to argue on the topic of “alliance” there, infinitely, to really do something. For us, this is wild and abnormal, for them it is quite acceptable. So, it is meaningless to talk with the current official authorities in Minsk: everything will get bogged down in empty “allied” chatter. At the same time, the same authorities will actively build bridges and bridges "to the west".

Strangely, such an accusation sounds that, they say, Russia does not respect the sovereignty of the Republic of Belarus. It is very strange: it was just that Russia respected very strongly and tried with all its might to negotiate with Minsk. Actively subsidized the economy and hoped for the best. But everything ended in a very sad way: Belarus is increasingly politically drifting towards Europe, while the economy is falling apart, debts and popular discontent are growing. And politically speaking, the most profitable for Russia is to distance itself. Lukashenko was not a “Kremlin puppet,” and he also did not want to become an ally of Russia. Or was Russia supposed to organize an Ostmaydan in Minsk? Belarusian elites ruled the country as God put them at heart. Now they are at a dead end. Appealing to Russia in this situation has two meanings: the first is to try to make money, the second is to try to make Russia “extreme” in the internal disassembly in Belarus.



Once again, for those who did not understand: those who are sitting in Minsk, and not in the Kremlin, should be responsible for the current situation in the Belarusian economy. There is nothing to answer, so begin the "mysterious hints" at the "threat from the east." In fact, this step today Minsk is not very profitable, but the preparation was done just for that! It is clear that for any request from the Belarusian leadership, Moscow puts forward counterclaims (including political ones), which is absolutely unacceptable for modern Belarusian society (it was propagandized so much!). Therefore, immediately follows the accusations of dictation and immediately sent next emissaries to the West.

Something similar we have already seen in Ukraine. No, it is possible and necessary to help, but to specific pro-Russian politicians and political forces. Where are they in Belarus? I understand that “the main friend of Russia”, as well as the main agronomist, the main breeder and so forth, and so on, is Lukashenko. Officially. Russia is no longer satisfied with this “glavdrug”, categorically. And no one else is and can not be? Well then, sorry. Last year, the Belarusian elites were very clearly demonstrated that Moscow no longer bet on Lukashenko and does not intend to bet. "Resolve" this issue will not work. This help policy will no longer be categorically.

That is, as we all understand, Lukashenko is not going to go anywhere (not for that “power pyramid” lined up), the crisis is growing, and Moscow has no longer any interests to save the “best ally”. There are gigantic problems in Belarus, but This is exactly the Belarusian problem, which has nothing to do with Russia. Something like Ukraine: you can postpone the necessary reforms for a very long time, but sooner or later the accumulated problems “explode”. But what does Russia have to do with it? The Maidan in Kiev was an intra-Ukrainian event (albeit supported "from abroad"), and not "a response to Russian aggression." Although Russia is very actively trying to “tie” to inside Ukrainian events.

In winter 2013 / 2014 Kiev, there were no pro-Russian forces. How could we win / lose? The same applies to future internal clashes in Belarus: their cause is not the wrong external course, namely the accumulated (and unsolvable) internal problems. Myths about the "pro-Russian but father" and some dark "pro-Western forces" are good for the most naive readers. Russia is definitely affected by the changes in the political balance of Minsk, and it is an “interested person”, but not the main actor on the Belarusian political stage.



Today, both the authorities and the opposition in Belarus are actively demonstrating their readiness to “fight for independence” from some “dark external forces”. This pose is heroic. Moreover, on the part of Russia, it is completely useless to explain or prove something. There is a big political game going on ... And neither the government nor the opposition are in it on the side of Russia ... But they both are ready to use the image of “bad Russia”. Nothing like? For some reason, in our modern Minsk, it is unprofitable to be “pro-Russian” from the domestic political point of view. Strange, because like “the best ally” and like different political forces must compete in who is the best friend of Moscow ... so to speak participate in the “contest of elephants”: “the Belarusian elephant is the best friend of the Russian elephant”. But there is something completely different. Belarusian politicians categorically do not want to show any loyalty to Russia, because today it does not raise the rating. At the same time, some "secret negotiations" on oil and gas are underway ...

From the Russian point of view, all these “intra-Belarusian” squabbles are of little interest: both the president / MIA / KGB, and the “oppa” / “zmagars”, and even honest citizens consider Crimea to be Ukrainian, Tskhinval to be Georgian, and Zakharchenko to be a separatist. Well, what can they be interesting to Moscow? Do you want Russia to be on your side? Nothing is easier! To do this, you just have to be on the side of Russia ... Is this impossible? Well then your problems are your problems.

In general, Lukashenko’s current throwings are painfully reminiscent of the deathbed political convulsions of the “best president of Ukraine”. Both of them had a “vicious circle”: Moscow’s help is needed, but it’s impossible to be politically oriented towards it. From here such uneven, sharp movements. And again: initially, both in Kiev and in Minsk, there was a choice - whether to pursue a Russophobic or Russophile policy, then then there was no such choice. Yanukovych did not have it in the winter 2013 / 2014. Lukashenko does not have it today. What is the difference: Yanukovych as a cautious and intelligent man, in and of itself could come to his senses and replay. Lukashenko himself does not want that, and the people are really pro-Russian politics will not support (that is, the policy should be labeled “pro-Russian”, but be sovereign-pro-Western). Therefore, to wait for such a "miracle of insight" is useless. Maidan remains ...

And about the negotiations on “cheap gas for Slavic brothers,” an ancient anecdote comes to mind ... just change names.

- Abram, could you give 100 rubles in debt to a friend, before the payday?

- Of course I could, Haim. Unfortunately, I have no friends.

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  1. +14
    2 March 2017 06: 01
    The desire to get the most out of economic cooperation with Russia and at the same time the desire to distance oneself as politically as possible from it.

    On this point, you can immediately see who is our friend and who is the fish-sticking.

    I believe in friendship between specific people ... but I don’t believe in friendship between states for a long time, although Belarusians are Slav brothers to us ... they didn’t support us in international affairs ... that means friendship is friendship and tobacco is apart ... from this position, and we need to do business with them.

    Someone will say that this article breaks the friendship between our peoples ... I will say this is not so.
    The split is at the level of government officials ... the KREMLIN and LUKASHENKO have too different interests ... the danger is that a third party (USA, EU)
    can take advantage of this for their own mercenary purposes since it happened in UKRAINE ... pitted thousands of people with each other on the basis of nationalism ... this must be counteracted by all means and methods.
    1. +6
      2 March 2017 07: 28
      if we proceed only from economic interests, then the Kuril Islands must be given to Japan, they are unprofitable! I remember in the 90-X the liberal press wrote a lot about this!
      1. +14
        2 March 2017 07: 39
        The article is clearly provocative. People are preparing for the fact that in Belarus politicians are camouflaged by Russophobes, nationalism is flourishing and all efforts must be made to bend them into a ram’s horn .. I just urge you to think again on this and that side. Nobody needs a confrontation ...
        1. +23
          2 March 2017 08: 19
          The article is clearly provocative. People are preparing for the fact that in Belarus politicians are camouflaged by Russophobes, nationalism is flourishing and all efforts must be made to bend them into a ram’s horn ..


          1 Belarus - did not recognize South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea
          2 Belarus did not help in Syria
          3 After the destruction of the Su -24 bomber, Lukashenko actively and defiantly met with Erdogan

          They not camouflaged ...
          1. +15
            2 March 2017 10: 24
            ordinary people who didn’t have a job and won’t have a job came out on the last march, and they still want to make them pay for it, who wanted to show their displeasure. and Bela-Chyrvana-Belya, as always, decided to smear under this matter, so as to serve the Western masters and say that it’s not in vain the bread. maybe you remember our silent actions, people organized themselves through social networks, people just stood, were silent and clapped their hands in militia, and dispersal began on the 3rd or 4th day when they appeared with flags and yurapei slogans started shouting.
            The people of our country, that is, the overwhelming majority of them, hate the mustachioed and despise the nationalists. By the way, if someone tells you that Belarus is divided into west and east, spit in his face. The whole nursery is sitting in Minsk, at the branches of European institutes and rubs at the American embassy, ​​but as for the nationalists like bnf and pagoni, I’ll tell you so, in the family no freak. they are afraid of everyone and sit in their cesspool and do not protrude.
            1. +7
              2 March 2017 12: 35
              "As for the nationalists like the bnf and the pagon, I’ll tell you so, the family is not without a freak. They are afraid of everyone and sit in their cesspool and do not protrude." While they are sitting, but they have begun to lean out, open TUT.BY and read the forums on topics where events in Russia, Ukraine, Syria, Belarus, etc. are discussed
              1. 0
                5 March 2017 16: 56
                "Superlibraists" on TUT.by have nothing to do with bnf and other abominations. Ordinary couch warriors who do not even go to Minsk rallies.
                PS Let the opinion of the author of the article remain on his conscience. The hatred of Belarusians towards Russia is created and fueled precisely by the Russian Internet.
                1. +1
                  6 March 2017 16: 29
                  are liberals worse and better than the rest of the opposing abomination? Some did not understand you :)
            2. +1
              6 March 2017 16: 28
              But it was the Opps who organized the march, it was they who push ordinary people to the blood.
          2. +8
            2 March 2017 14: 13
            As far as I remember, the humanitarian aid was sent to Syria. I agree with the rest in the article and in your comment on all 100. If a friend is suddenly not a friend and not an enemy, but like that.
          3. +8
            2 March 2017 17: 44
            Quote: Olezhek
            1 Belarus - did not recognize South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea
            2 Belarus did not help in Syria
            3 After the destruction of the Su -24 bomber, Lukashenko actively and defiantly met with Erdogan

            1-well, so many who did not recognize (almost all) Sberbank for example.
            2-In Syria, Belarus does not have its own Gazprom and Rosneft. If we accept the logic of the interests of corporations, the interests of the country, then the interests of Belkali did not run through here. You have Turkey / USA / Iran there, why do you need RB too?
            3-So these are friends of the RF-Erdogan. Dear partner.
            RB did not change its position towards Turkey.
            All attacks by.
        2. avt
          +8
          2 March 2017 09: 20
          Quote: 210ox
          The article is clearly provocative. People are preparing for the fact that in Belarus politicians are camouflaged by Russophobes, nationalism is flourishing and all efforts must be made to bend them into a ram’s horn ..

          wassat fool
          According to Olga Levko, head of the center of archeology and ancient history of the Institute of History of the National Academy of Sciences of Belarus, the studies showed that “Belarusian statehood began to form in the middle of the XNUMXth century - with the creation of the Polotsk land”. “The formation of Polotsk as the center of this state formation was carried out on a local tribal basis, while the Varangians were invited to this in Novgorod and Kiev. Even later, the Polotsk lands, being part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Commonwealth, developed autonomously, ”she said, presenting to President Lukashenko a series of scientific works“ The Sources of Belarusian Statehood: Polotsk and Vitebsk Lands in the XNUMXth – XNUMXth Centuries ”.
          “It is necessary to prescribe and introduce the truth into the minds of our people. Here, if there is any kind of nationalism, it is healthy nationalism, ”Lukashenko said in response and ordered that this information be included in school textbooks.
          Maybe after reading a direct quote to Batskin, you will come to consciousness? Although it's vryatli .....
          1. +2
            2 March 2017 12: 44
            These "direct quotes" are pulled out of the text. You excuse me for what the media brings to you ...
            Quote: avt
            Quote: 210ox
            The article is clearly provocative. People are preparing for the fact that in Belarus politicians are camouflaged by Russophobes, nationalism is flourishing and all efforts must be made to bend them into a ram’s horn ..

            wassat fool
            According to Olga Levko, head of the center of archeology and ancient history of the Institute of History of the National Academy of Sciences of Belarus, the studies showed that “Belarusian statehood began to form in the middle of the XNUMXth century - with the creation of the Polotsk land”. “The formation of Polotsk as the center of this state formation was carried out on a local tribal basis, while the Varangians were invited to this in Novgorod and Kiev. Even later, the Polotsk lands, being part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Commonwealth, developed autonomously, ”she said, presenting to President Lukashenko a series of scientific works“ The Sources of Belarusian Statehood: Polotsk and Vitebsk Lands in the XNUMXth – XNUMXth Centuries ”.
            “It is necessary to prescribe and introduce the truth into the minds of our people. Here, if there is any kind of nationalism, it is healthy nationalism, ”Lukashenko said in response and ordered that this information be included in school textbooks.
            Maybe after reading a direct quote to Batskin, you will come to consciousness? Although it's vryatli .....
            1. avt
              +5
              2 March 2017 16: 43
              Quote: 210ox
              . You excuse me for what the media brings to you ...

              Well, I did not hope for instant enlightenment
              Quote: avt
              Maybe after reading a direct quote to Batskin, you will come to consciousness? Although it's vryatli .....

              Awareness will come later, as with fraternal fraternity spilling over into the squareness, which the overwhelming majority of lovers to unconsciousness, the so-called Gasudar’s, finally realized. Well, except for particularly stubborn adherents who do not want to see anything other than the father’s whiskers. Well, if there’s still a ray of hope into the clouded brain of the father’s phrases, instead of casting my post TOTALLY, it would be better to search and still find these “sacred texts” of Butsky’s direct speech, which the damned media cut off from the notorious context. Tea youtube is not banned, or is it turned off? bullyWell, shame us on the unbelieving and not at all believing in Butsky’s sincerity in fraternal brotherhood and lack of nationalism. Just don’t have to rub after him about “healthy nationalism”, there’s nothing like that in human nature. But there’s only the highest stage of nationalism - Nazism, which Hitlerites showed to the World and Grad, which now emerged on fertile black soil in the Ruin, sown by Austrians and fertilized by Poles. Moreover, the latter in the literal sense of fertilizer went to the ground en masse through the efforts of Bandera hundreds of thousands so precisely.
        3. +2
          2 March 2017 10: 04
          "Ukrainian option for Belarus"
          Growth Disease. Perebolev. Immunity Acquired
          -October 1993. Russia
          2004 (Pomarancheva revolution) and 2014 ....... Ukraine
          And better-- look at the neighbors and prevent ..
      2. +6
        2 March 2017 08: 20
        if we proceed only from economic interests, then the Kuril Islands must be given to Japan, they are unprofitable! I remember in the 90-X the liberal press wrote a lot about this!


        The Kuril Islands, like the C Caucasus, are part of Russia
        RB is an independent state.

        Feel the difference?
        1. +13
          2 March 2017 08: 34
          Olezhek and Belarus once was a part of Russia and the USSR! belay it all started with such gorlopanov who shouted that they feed everyone! Do you feel the difference? laughing
      3. +10
        2 March 2017 09: 05
        And here we have such a funny conflict: the state categorically refuses to support Russian politics, - from the article

        Another anti-Belarusian article.
        The whole trouble is that the color, "orange revolutions" have almost already taken place throughout the post-Soviet space, including Russia - in 1991-93 in Ukraine a little later, this protracted process was broken by the Maidan of 2014.
        But in Belarus, no, Lukashenko with a team of patriots kept the situation while preserving essentially the Soviet order.
        And this infuriates everyone else, especially the United States and United Europe, who are striving by any means and in Belarus to create such a “revolutionary” chaos of the orange coup, using the Russian oligarchy.
        1. +4
          2 March 2017 09: 07
          But in Belarus there is no, Lukashenko with patriotic team kept the situation, preserving essentially the Soviet system.


          Not funny.
      4. +10
        2 March 2017 11: 48
        Has the wave gone against Belarus already? Well. Well. Let them continue in the same spirit! Who stayed in friends? No one is already in my opinion. Well CANNOT BE BAD EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD! There is no need to blame the mirror .... And as for the frankly idiotic article, after the words-reproach "They are friends with neighbors" it became sickening. And what, should have been at enmity for the sake of someone?
        1. +15
          2 March 2017 14: 22
          And where does the article say that Belarus is bad? Please mark this place. You can’t. The article says that "tales of brotherhood and friendship with Russia" from the lips of almost all elites of the fragments of the former USSR are worthless, from the word ABSOLUTELY. There is only one goal - to get as much as possible from Russia and giving nothing in return. Imelka not tired? Here is the gist of the article. And for the allies - South Ossetia, the Crimean Spring showed who the true allies of Russia are the Army and Navy.
          1. +2
            2 March 2017 23: 01
            Circulating: The Crimean spring showed who the true allies of Russia are the Army and Navy.

            And the people of Crimea, in your opinion, have nothing to do with it?
            1. +7
              3 March 2017 16: 13
              Carefully read what I wrote - for the allies of Russia. The people of Crimea are the people of Russia. I wrote somewhere that only parts of the Russian Defense Ministry returned Crimea? Read carefully, then comment.
        2. +1
          2 March 2017 15: 14
          Quote: xetai9977
          And what, should have been at enmity for the sake of someone?

          Allied relations imply a commonality of views and interests, especially when you position yourself as an ally for certain cookies. This is a test for ,, lice, "the bottom line is, both yours and ours" ...
          If you want to be my friend, ask me nothing ...
        3. 0
          5 March 2017 19: 48
          Has the wave gone against Belarus already? Well. Well. Let them continue in the same spirit! Who stayed in friends? No one is already in my opinion.


          No, here they are trying to discuss the situation from the other side. In the sense that a person has many relatives, friends and relationships are quite close and close, but there are no common wives and purses in spite of any proximity. And in this story, it seems that the budget of the Russian Federation Lukashenko wants to use as a general purse, but in fact the Russian Federation, in addition to dad, has enough of its problems. So the people are rebelling.
    2. +16
      2 March 2017 07: 45
      The articles were full of the same essence and the same line of thinking at VO in 2012-13 about Ukraine. Did such thinking help? No, it didn’t help. Ukraine is lost. That's how Belarus is lost due to the fact that the failure in Ukraine did not teach anything. But what about Ukraine, all of eastern Europe lost step by step before this. If a Russian does not learn to mature at the root of the problem, then this wave will soon come to Russia itself. This root is in the system of distribution of property and income. This root was forcibly laid down by the west in the 90s, due to the hidden surrender of state power to the post-Soviet space in front of the west. The apotheosis was the oligarchy and uncontrolled corruption.
      What to do? The first is a progressive system of income taxes, the second is a progressive system of property taxes, amnesty of capital and the impossibility of withdrawing capital from a country without a pledge, the third is a disproportionately harsh punishment for corruption (travel abroad, confiscation of the whole family and deprivation of the right to office for life). This should be the beginning.
      1. +4
        2 March 2017 07: 55
        Kolya wrote everything to the Christmas tree! good drinks
      2. +7
        2 March 2017 08: 16
        The articles were filled with the same essence and the same line of thought at VO in 2012-13 about Ukraine. Did such thinking help? No, it didn’t help. Ukraine is lost.


        Was Ukraine like ours? Were the Ukrainians on our side?
        There was an illusion that at some point vanished.
        It takes two to dance tango ... request
        1. +6
          2 March 2017 08: 54
          That's exactly what they learned in Ukraine, they pumped the loot to the last. They get gas at discounts, and they accuse us of aggression.
        2. +2
          2 March 2017 08: 55
          Olezhek you probably do not know the story! belay was ours and for a very long time! laughing
          1. +1
            2 March 2017 09: 01
            Olezhek you probably do not know the story! belay was ours and for a very long time


            Until 1991 year.
      3. +6
        2 March 2017 09: 56
        Quote: Kohl
        Did such thinking help? No, it didn’t help. Ukraine is lost.
        Apparently she was lost back in Soviet times.
        Quote: Kohl
        That's how Belarus is lost due to the fact that the failure in Ukraine did not teach anything.

        What are we losing this time? A suitcase without a pen? Economic black hole? Unforgettable outpost?
        Quote: Kohl
        If a Russian does not learn to mature at the root of the problem, then this wave will soon come to Russia itself.

        Yes Yes. Teach us to ripen in the root, Belarus brothers.
        Quote: Kohl
        This root is in the system of distribution of property and income.

        Thanks, Kolya. Come and teach us how to share our money.
        Quote: Kohl
        The apotheosis was the oligarchy and uncontrolled corruption.

        Yes, yes, Kolya. Better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick
      4. 0
        7 March 2017 08: 25
        After a progressive scale, all high incomes will run offshore, and enterprises will also be registered there. The effectiveness of such methods in our conditions is purely ostentatious.
    3. +2
      2 March 2017 18: 25
      Lukashenko and his government are definitely not friends, but enemies.
      God grant the hardness of GDP! No compromises needed!
      1. 0
        3 March 2017 12: 29
        Quote: Victor N
        Lukashenko and his government are definitely not friends, but enemies.

        Dear you are ours, for this site your words are not trolling)))))
    4. +1
      3 March 2017 12: 27
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Someone will say that this article breaks the friendship between our peoples ... I will say this is not so.

      And someone will say that this is an order, that would lick the owner, who shares grandmother with Belarusians)
      And where are the people?) Dude worked the fee. Medvedev is not paid for exposing, but paid for. THAT'S ALL.
      The people .... ha, how convenient is it to hide behind in general terms, right?)))
  2. +11
    2 March 2017 07: 04
    Russia Ukraine Belarus one people. One state.
    Very liberal statics. The author is a propagandist small-bourgeois shtetl.
    What is the goal-setting of capitalist Russia with regard to Ukraine and Belarus? Mutually beneficial cooperation for the benefit of Novogus oligarchs? with subordination of liquid assets to the hands of the Novogous oligarchs. Ukrainian owners of life understand this with joy and hands. They mustache. AG Lukashenko understands that having lost the Belarusian industry, he will lose everything. The role of the chairman’s zitz ​​is not for him. He didn’t save and multiply the economic the potential of Belarusians to just give away.
    Our countries will not be able to live without each other, they will be tied economically and culturally family.
    The only problem in real unification is capitalism. When money can do everything and war. And coup. And betrayal of national interests.
    1. +4
      2 March 2017 07: 15
      apro agree with you! these pictures can be pulled in liberal marches in Moscow too! hi
    2. +4
      2 March 2017 07: 16
      Quote: apro
      Very liberal statics. The author is a propagandist small-bourgeois shtetl.

      A banal provocateur, just go over his articles to understand this. hi
      1. +8
        2 March 2017 08: 21
        apro agree with you! these pictures can be pulled in liberal marches in Moscow too


        Can I see the photos from the pro-Russian demonstration in Minsk?
        For example, in support of the war against ISIS (banned in Russia)
        1. +6
          2 March 2017 08: 36
          Google’s olezhok is not small, especially marches of Russian nationalists, there are slogans against the peoples of Russia, for example, the Caucasus! laughingyes yes ISIS is banned in Russia how many Russians are fighting on the side of ISIS? belay but I didn’t hear about Belarusians on the side of ISIS!
          1. +2
            2 March 2017 08: 41
            Can I see the photos from the pro-Russian demonstration in Minsk?
            For example, in support of the war against ISIS (banned in Russia)



            Google’s olezhok is not small, especially marches of Russian nationalists, there are slogans against the peoples of Russia, for example, the Caucasus


            Marches of Russian nationalists in MINSK?
            Surprised ...
            1. +2
              2 March 2017 08: 51
              Olezhek did understand everything, marches of Russian nationalists in Moscow! You're funnier! laughing
    3. +3
      2 March 2017 08: 27
      Russia Ukraine Belarus one people. One state.
      Very liberal statics. The author is a propagandist small-bourgeois shtetl.


      1. +9
        2 March 2017 08: 45
        Olezhok in the internet you can find a photo of Putin shaking hands with Poroshenko! laughing
        1. +4
          2 March 2017 08: 53
          Olezhok in the internet you can find a photo of Putin shaking hands with Poroshenko


          Turchinov? Ishshite ...

          And especially for those who have not been interested in politics for the last couple of years, I explain - the only Putin-Poroshenko meetings - on the topic of Donbass, within the framework of the Channel Four ...
          1. +2
            2 March 2017 09: 02
            Putin didn’t recognize the junta? What difference does it make in what format he shook hands! laughing
            1. +2
              2 March 2017 09: 06
              but what difference does it make in what format he shook hands!


              Can you change the site? "1000 Fresh Jewish Jokes" will be just for you.
              1. 0
                2 March 2017 09: 18
                Olezhek, well, are you funny, but where are the arguments? belay
          2. +1
            6 March 2017 17: 32
            But the meetings were ... And not one as it turned out.
        2. avt
          +1
          2 March 2017 09: 25
          Quote: Uncle Murzik
          Olezhok in the internet you can find a photo of Putin shaking hands with Poroshenko!

          And Putin’s statements in the manner of Butsky about
          Quote: avt
          she said, presenting to President Lukashenko a series of scientific papers “The Origins of Belarusian Statehood: Polotsk and Vitebsk Lands in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth Centuries”.

          Quote: avt
          “It is necessary to prescribe and introduce the truth into the minds of our people. Here, if there is any kind of nationalism, it is healthy nationalism, ”Lukashenko said in response and ordered that this information be included in school textbooks.

          Find it too ?? Note - in Canada, as for Ukraine, textbooks will not be published - they will manage on their own.
      2. +4
        2 March 2017 10: 48
        But how did Putin recognize the Bandera-fascists at the head of Ukraine or not?
    4. +1
      2 March 2017 18: 31
      The worldview of the commander of a very small unit. Return to the text and find everything about the economic, cultural, family ties with Ukraine. A smart politician must be able to discern the problem as earlier and to prevent it. Overlooked - lost.
  3. +13
    2 March 2017 07: 10
    The article is defective, but the USSR fits into the trend just like that, everyone thought that they were feeding someone and if we split up, we’ll live and now they inspire the Russians to stop feeding the free parasite of Belarus and we’ll live
    1. +5
      2 March 2017 07: 23
      in the Belarusian press Crimea - “annexed”, that's exactly the way it is. Amazing in all this disgrace is not enough. For many years, people were brainwashed, that, they say, there is some kind of "Russia" there, but there is Belarus ... practically a "holy land". I want to cry from emotion and blow my nose in a handkerchief. All these years, Lukashenko has been rebuffing in the event of “annexation attempts”. He explained to the Belarusians that they were not Russian. He did it very well. He managed to clean up the political space in Belarus even better (and this person wants to go to Europe!).

      Here is the answer to your lamentation that they again began to think who feeds whom. But only with the collapse of the USSR, not the Russian Federation, but the republics were yelled by the grace that they feed Russia. When you write, then rely on reliable events.
      1. +5
        2 March 2017 07: 30
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Crimea is “annexed” in the Belarusian press, and that’s just the way it is.

        In which press? In opposition, yes, but is it worth seriously considering this press? request
        1. +3
          2 March 2017 07: 33
          With conflicting statements by Lukashenko and his throwing at the political field, you no longer know what to consider seriously and what to ignore. And with debt for gas incomprehensibility.
          1. +6
            2 March 2017 07: 36
            Quote: rotmistr60
            And with debt for gas incomprehensibility.

            Only 600 lyam - ordinary late payments, nothing extraordinary. request But it is presented as if we were robbed. hi
            1. +9
              2 March 2017 14: 26
              Presented by whom? The same Lukashenko that they rob him. The same Dvorkovich (though I do not respect) in a calm manner says that the debt should be paid off. And that’s it. Nobody says anything more from the Russian officialdom.
              1. 0
                2 March 2017 15: 04
                Quote: Okolotochny
                The same Lukashenko that they rob him.

                Do you remember the Uralkali scandal?
                1. +13
                  2 March 2017 15: 54
                  I remember. The Prime Minister of the Republic of Belarus invited to the country for a meeting. And the President gave the command to arrest. Fine. Diluted "sucker" on concepts called. Do you remember the threats to Dankvert? An official at the federal level? For what? For the fact that the figures showed that RB can not produce so much milk, meat, seafood, and many others. And in fact, it is engaged in CONTRABANDA in the Russian Federation. Smuggler State.
                  1. +1
                    2 March 2017 21: 03
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    Diluted "sucker" on concepts called

                    Sucker? belay But is it not fate to get acquainted with the materials of the criminal case? wink Baumgertner there came up with a whole money withdrawal scheme, illegal and by our laws, by the way.
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    Do you remember the threats to Dankvert?
                    For what? Dankvert is very reminiscent of Poroshenko with his Roshen - he owns several agro-industrial complexes. whose interests he is lobbying. being in the "sovereign service".
                    In an interview with RBC, Dankvert shared the observation that in Belarus, on the instructions of President Lukashenko, they are initiating criminal proceedings against Russian businessmen and officials with German surnames mentioning the Baumgertner case. At the same time, Dankvert suggested that the next major Russian figure who needs to be wary of Lukashenko’s wrath may be Sberbank’s head German Gref
                    German surnames - laughter and more! Everyone knows what kind of Germans they are - Fritz shalom! laughing
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    For the fact that the numbers showed that RB can not produce so much milk, meat
                    Once again - is this the official position of the authorities of the Republic of Belarus, or the actions of cunning entrepreneurs? Just do not say that Lukashenko is in the know - we also have a lot of things in Vova’s knowledge, and things are still there. Chubais rules. By the way, there are no Chubais in Belarus.
                    1. +6
                      3 March 2017 16: 23
                      Do you know the Baumgartner criminal case file? I think it’s unlikely. You are familiar with the voice acting of these “materials” in the interpretation of official Minsk. Lukashenko and his relatives are not the truth. Note, I did not write that Baumgartner is not guilty. And you have already begun to glue labels. Do you know the presumption of innocence? I wrote that the leadership of the Republic of Belarus acts in the spirit of "brothers" from the 90s.
                      I do not own information about the property of Dankvert, I will not spread rumors. I said that practically the Minister of the Russian Federation was threatened to institute criminal proceedings in connection with the performance of his official duties. Again in the spirit of the 90s. These are two.
                      Who owns large, including agricultural enterprises in the Republic of Belarus? Is it not for the state? And when even from the lips of the officials of the Russian Federation there were intentions to check the products of these enterprises, who began to scream the loudest "hold the thief"? Is it Lukashenko? So the transfer of arrows on smuggling to "cunning" entrepreneurs is not consistent. The main owner in the Republic of Belarus. It also controls borders, the movement of goods and services.
    2. +6
      2 March 2017 07: 25
      Andrei7101 is precisely noticed, the following slogans will be "the north of Russia feeds Moscow" "The South bread box of Russia" "we will live on oil!" wassat
      1. +10
        2 March 2017 08: 40
        It already happened, and more than once, at the end of the 80s .. Here Olezhek, dear, you are not afraid to be within the borders of the Moscow principality in eleven years .... These are the little articles that push us to this ... Slowly, little by little, a neighbor , a villain sawed a tree, now the sun is shining through my window, a neighbor has not given a reptile ..
        1. +3
          2 March 2017 08: 51
          This has already happened, and more than once, at the end of 80's ... Here Olezhek, dear, you are not afraid to be within the borders of the Moscow principality in eleven years.


          USSR was a single state
          RB is an independent country with not pro-Russian politics,
          which is actively "cosplaying" a certain Sayuz ...
          1. +7
            2 March 2017 09: 15
            Olezhek you apparently do not know what logic is, the USSR was united until such talkers as the author appeared! lol
    3. +7
      2 March 2017 08: 25
      The article is defective, but the USSR fits into the trend just like that, everyone thought that they were feeding someone and if we split up, we’ll live and now they inspire the Russians to stop feeding the free parasite of Belarus and we’ll live


      They are so generous ...



      For deliveries of diesel fuel APU what do you say ?? you are our ...
      1. +4
        2 March 2017 08: 28
        Olezhek, didn’t we supply strategic reserves such as gas to Ukraine, but didn’t recognize the Ukrainian junta? belay capitalist you are our wassat
        1. +3
          2 March 2017 08: 35
          Olezhek, didn’t we supply strategic reserves such as gas to Ukraine, but didn’t recognize the Ukrainian junta?


          1 To this day, gas supply to Europe past Ukraine unfortunately is not possible.
          There are no options not to supply gas to her for payment.
          2 The only topic of discussion with Poroshenko is the situation in the Donbass. It would be difficult to discuss the Donbass and sign Minsk-1 and Minsk -2 without recognizing anyone in Kiev at all.
          1. +6
            2 March 2017 08: 44
            Olezhek, you’re ridiculous! Russia recognized the junta or not? That you are turning around like a skillet! And we supplied the junta with gas until there was a debate over the debt! laughing
            1. +2
              2 March 2017 08: 50
              Olezhek, well, you’re ridiculous! Russia recognized the junta or not? That you are turning around like a pan! And we supplied the junta with gas until there were debates over the debt


              Options: 1 completely cut off gas supplies through Ukraine and disrupt Gazprom's contracts (and collapse the budget)
              2 Do not recognize Poroshenko and directly intermeddle in the military conflict in Ukraine

              They get questions on the principle - why didn’t Putin take and kill himself?
              1. +4
                2 March 2017 09: 07
                Olezhok you apparently do not see the difference between transit and purchase laughing , we supplied Ukraine with gas! Earlier, the head of the Ministry of Energy of Ukraine Vladimir Demchishin said that the country had prepared for a possible force majeure on gas supplies from the Russian Federation, having purchased more than one billion cubic meters of gas more than in the previous heating season.

                For the ten months of 2015, Russian gas in imports accounted for 39%, European gas - 61%. In general, during this period, the country purchased about 14,8 billion cubic meters of gas.

                More details: http://www.newsru.com/finance/10nov2015/uarugas.h
                tml
                1. 0
                  2 March 2017 09: 19
                  Olezhok you apparently do not see the difference


                  And in the Secret Order of the “Polotsk Prince” worthy of paying?
          2. +5
            2 March 2017 09: 13
            "According to the Ministry of Energy and the Coal Industry of Ukraine, the Russian Federation has begun passing freight trains with steam coal for TPPs in Ukraine! In total, 50 thousand tons of coal will be delivered in the near future! In turn, Ukrzaliznytsya blocking the Donbass and canceling all trains guarantees transportation "coal to consumers on the territory of Ukraine! Also, Ukraine begins to import electricity from the Russian Federation, because there are not enough capacities for enterprises producing military products!" And this is at a time when the "LPR and the DPR asked the Russian leadership not to supply coal of the grades that are available in the LPR and the DPR to Ukraine. After all, the supply of coal from Russia allows Ukraine to continue to build up its military potential in the combat zone actions, ignore all proposals to resolve the situation, provide a comfortable life in the rear of Ukraine, and provide an opportunity to go on the offensive in the militia position in the Donbass. "
            On the one hand, such things are, and on the other, as V. Putin said, "we will not allow physically destroying the defenders of the Donbass." It turns out that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing? After all, every day of extending the life of the Kiev regime is a new ruined life on both sides in the interests of those who profit from the war. Is it just the interests of the private Russian business supplying the Ukrainian army with tank engines so that later Poroshenko would come to the ATO coverage area, accompanied by 100 units of new or refurbished armored vehicles to maintain the fighting spirit of the punitive?
            By the adoption of resolution No. 758 with respect to Russia, the United States actually declared it a "cold" war, which has already been in the Donbas since April 15 this year. took shape hot. I understand that Vladimir Putin is a great grandmaster in politics and not all of his moves are clear and obvious to a simple lover. But when it’s not virtual, but really, what month have the Russians and Russian-speakers in southeastern Ukraine died, and the previously flowering Donbass turns every day into a deserted desert, it somehow becomes uneasy. After this, is it possible to condemn the President of Belarus A. Lukashenko that he favors the Kiev Zionist-Bandera regime and denies the right of Russians of Donbass to independence from such power as the right of Russians of Crimea to reunite with Russia?
            Or, perhaps, everything is much simpler and there is nothing to look for complex explanations of what is happening. Just Ukrainian Jews agreed with Russian Jews and share their every gesheft? I still think that Vladimir Putin is Russia's hope. And he will figure it out and put things in order
      2. +7
        2 March 2017 08: 43
        Our owners of newspapers, factories and steamboats made the ukrokhunts much more supportive than the whole of Belarus together with the LAS ... You are being waged for outright agitation against the creation of a unified state in the future ..
        Quote: Olezhek
        The article is defective, but the USSR fits into the trend just like that, everyone thought that they were feeding someone and if we split up, we’ll live and now they inspire the Russians to stop feeding the free parasite of Belarus and we’ll live

        They are so generous ...

        For deliveries of diesel fuel APU what do you say ?? you are our ...
        1. +3
          2 March 2017 08: 55
          Our owners of newspapers, factories and steamboats made the ukrokhunts much more substantial than the whole of Belarus together with the Arab League.


          And let's dear comrade, let's not jump off the topic and wag our tail ...

          Say - and who is not drinking now? Well, here I am drunk in the morning .. wassat
          1. +9
            2 March 2017 09: 10
            Olezhek laughing


            Russia finances and saves the Ukrainian junta.
            Former head of the National Bank of Ukraine under V. Yanukovych S. Arbuzov admitted that half of foreign investment in Ukraine comes from Russian banks.
            The fact that Russian banks are financing the bloody massacre in the Donbass has already been written ...

            The structure of foreign direct investment in the Ukrainian economy for 2015.
            Banks with Western capital - 21%
            Banks with Russian capital - 49%
            Other direct foreign investments - 30%

            The fact is that last year, owners of banks with Russian capital, in fact, provided half of foreign investment in the country. According to the National Bank, three quarters of the net increase in direct investment accounted for the banking sector. In this amount, the lion's share - 65%, was the capitalization of banks with Russian capital. There is no final data from the NBU, but preliminary, 34 billion UAH. or $ 1,5 billion at the average annual rate, Russian financial institutions at different times were brought into subsidiary banks: 18,7 billion UAH in VTB Ukraine, more than 6 billion UAH. - to Prominvestbank, and 4,8 billion UAH. - to Sberbank Ukraine (data - Associations of Ukrainian banks). Alfabank, which can be attributed to Russian banks at a stretch, is another 3,1 billion UAH. At the same time, Western banks increased the capital of their subsidiaries by only 14 billion UAH, which is less than the additional capitalization of VTB alone. I believe that the question of who maintains the balance of payments of Ukraine in extremely difficult times for her can be closed. Http://s30116489994.mirtesen.ru/blog/43
            448691752 /
            Rossiyskie-banki-na-sluzhbe-ukrayinsko ...

            http://maxpark.com/community/129/content/3385288

            http://lunin812.livejournal.com/487080.html

            http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/5087004/post3759
            50349 /

            https://vk.com/wall-19071927_82836

            http://www.news-usa.ru/pochemu-rossiya-prodolzhae
            t-pomogat-kievskoj-khunte.html

            http://amfora.livejournal.com/342965.html
            1. +3
              2 March 2017 09: 17
              For Murzik:
              went out means the Belarusian people on the streets ...
              Well, of course, our heroic “father-kambat” from Polesie took the whole game upon himself ..
              On slippers and in Sochi ...
              Staying out means there ... put my nerves in order

              And surfaced in Minsk ...

              And it turned out that the Princes of Polotsk have been building independent Belarus for more than a thousand years

              And yes, in the days of the Polotsk princes there were no "parasites" ...

              where they kept them ...

              that is, in Minsk, he did not skerry from the people, but carried out deep historical research ...
              1. +6
                2 March 2017 09: 20
                Olezhek well, all of you apparently suffered! belay but besides delirium there is nothing! laughingwe also have enough idiots of nationalists!
                1. +2
                  2 March 2017 09: 23
                  Especially for you
                  Belarusians about the "heroic battalion commander":

                  “So he returned from Sochi

                  And in the homeland a mess,

                  And his eyes flashed:

                  Dissatisfied with the wagon!

                  Only you can’t transplant everyone,

                  How can the Chief not understand

                  The opposition is on the side,

                  The people went to rebel! ”
                2. +7
                  2 March 2017 09: 26
                  Olezhek well, all of you apparently suffered! belay but besides delirium, not what not



                  Photo of the day: A crying laundress reports to parasitism tax officials
                  The network has already written that this picture, which characterizes the Belarusian state and people, claims to be “Photo of the Year” and will be included in textbooks.

                  Laundress from Rogachev, who did not have enough “annual experience”




                  Valentina Chernyshova must not pay the tax in full, but 293 rubles 30 kopecks. Valentina got into parasites, because there were not enough just a few days of “annual experience” - TUT.BY collected the stories of those that the state considers social dependents.

                  - In 2015, I worked in a kindergarten, but “maternity” people started to leave their vacations, and I had to make room. I took on any work - both the laundress and the janitor were in the garden, and still had to leave. Now I am employed. The salary is 230 rubles, the husband has 280. Credit - 180 rubles. We took it for current expenses, as it was not enough at all: we had to make water supply, the house was old, 1946 of the year of construction, my daughter was a student. We have nowhere to get this money, - at the reception in the executive committee, the woman keeps herself up to the last and finally gives up - her eyes are filled with tears.
                  1. +6
                    2 March 2017 09: 33
                    Olezhek, you’ve shown your essence, you just need to drive a wedge between Russia and Belarus! You care about Belarusian taxes, by the way, in Russia we are talking about this tax too! On Google about poverty in Russia! lol
                  2. +3
                    2 March 2017 09: 42
                    Olezhek read in the heading "news" Groysman: the blockade of Donbass forces Kiev to buy Russian coal laughing
                  3. +2
                    2 March 2017 18: 16
                    The executive branch exercises judicial functions, an excellent example of insanity
                  4. +1
                    6 March 2017 17: 43
                    You are an ordinary opp and troll. You should work on a censor and a tutbai! Judging by the post from the Bai here, you read it too much. :)
        2. +1
          6 March 2017 17: 41
          Thank you for the correct understanding of the situation, this is so, since judging by the stuffing, Belarus in general has become guilty of everything. :)
      3. +4
        2 March 2017 09: 45
        I understand your logic, it’s good to pump money into the junta, it’s bad to sell goods for this money, only what to do with the Bible - in the beginning there was a word (money) or even clearer from Ilf and Petrov - in the morning money in the evening chairs
        RUSSIAN INVESTMENTS IN UKRAINE GROW

        According to the State Statistics Service of Ukraine, as a whole, in 2016, foreign investors invested $ 4,41 billion in direct investments (FDI) in the form of equity capital in the Ukrainian economy. This is 17,1% higher than in 2015.
        Almost 70% of the total volume of foreign investments received in Ukraine in 2016 is accounted for by the Russian Federation - $ 1,67 billion, compared with 2015, investments grew 2,5 times.
        The second largest investor was Cyprus ($ 0,43 billion), then the UK ($ 0,4 billion), the Netherlands ($ 0,26 billion), Austria ($ 0,25 billion). In total, representatives of 77 countries invested in the Ukrainian economy, but Russia is the largest investor.
        According to Ukrstat, the financial sector enjoys the greatest attention of Russian investors (approximately 88,6% of all Russian investments). The most significant investments were directed to institutions and organizations engaged in financial and insurance activities - $ 2,8 billion, wholesale and retail trade - $ 524,9 million, industry - 475 million.
        The data are given excluding the Crimea and territories not controlled by Kiev in the Donbass.
        Quote: Olezhek
        For deliveries of diesel fuel APU what do you say ?? you are our ...
        1. +9
          2 March 2017 14: 32
          And no one says that everything is perfect with us. But ... In Russia there are many private enterprises and many private banks. Part of the state is also under foreign control (Gref). And whose refineries in Belarus? Who decides on the sale of fuel worth hundreds of millions of dollars. A STATE that controls Lukashenko. Again the same picture. Facts give you, and you "And yourself?" So explain the facts, your position?
          1. +1
            3 March 2017 12: 35
            Quote: Okolotochny
            Part of the state is also under foreign control (Gref)

            In more detail, under whose control is Sberbank? Straight suspense hung up. There is some kind of "insider".
            I believe that the "world government" or "Masons" control Sberbank?))))) And you, of course, have direct contact with them)))
            1. +6
              3 March 2017 16: 28
              Take a look at the information systems "SPARK", "Contour Focus". Specifically, in the collection. And look who owns Sberbank PJSC. FSBI Bank of Russia owns 50% of the company. 49% to other individuals and companies, including non-residents of the Russian Federation. Have more questions? I am not a specialist in Freemasons, not to me with this question.
              1. 0
                6 March 2017 13: 19
                Quote: Okolotochny
                FSBI Bank of Russia owns 50% of the company. 49% to other individuals and companies, including non-residents of the Russian Federation

                The Bank of Russia owns 52,3% of the shares, the rest are in free sale.
                Does any state have a controlling stake in Sberbank ??? It became directly interesting ...))
                1. +6
                  6 March 2017 18: 02
                  52,3 where did the figure come from? I have data from SPARK 50%. In the "free" - how is it? Are they selling at stalls? Did you buy too? You are not funny from what is written. "On sale". I did not hear more delirium. And where did I say that some state has a controlling stake in Sberbank? Part of the shares was acquired by Western companies. Will you deny it? I can’t give the numbers, 49% do not disclose the holders.
                2. +6
                  6 March 2017 18: 11
                  And so, in pursuit of how Sber "watches" the interests of Russia
                  https://cont.ws/@riakatyusha/546131
        2. +4
          2 March 2017 18: 50
          Quote: Andrey7101
          For deliveries of diesel fuel APU what do you say

          Deliveries of diesel fuel from the Russian Federation are also growing. By the way, they are replacing the Republic of Belarus confidently because of the price. The ban did not last long.
  4. +6
    2 March 2017 08: 28
    For me, this is the correct article, Lukashenko himself led the country to bankruptcy and he pushes Russia to live off Russia at the expense of Russia. It's time to put his place.
    1. +6
      2 March 2017 08: 48
      Walking this article can be partially addressed to Kazakhstan, why the Kazakhs did not recognize the Crimea! lol
      1. +11
        2 March 2017 14: 58
        The hitch is that Kazakhstan is positioning itself and acting as an equal partner. Do you catch the difference? It does not require loans and other preferences with a cry and cry for itself. This is called an INDEPENDENT STATE with an independent foreign policy. Could you build it? Honor and praise.
        1. 0
          6 March 2017 12: 46
          Label and that Belarus is not an independent state? belay and in my opinion they don’t die of hunger! laughingArmenia also did not recognize Crimea! Do you catch the difference? laughing
          1. +6
            6 March 2017 13: 24
            Murzik. And what do you mean by the concept of INDEPENDENT? There are those that only seem - Belarus from this opera. And there are those that are leading politics in this vein - Kazakhstan. After all, Uncle Lukashenko spoke in an interview for events about recognition of South Ossetia in 2008. Europe began to fear, and he was frightened. So let the loot Russia, but I'm afraid of Europe. This is not independence, it is from the expression of V.I. Lenin about women with low social orientations, priestesses of love. Armenia from the same opera as Belarus. It depends entirely on Russia, plus the issue of NK status. Russia simply cannot twist its hands (no experience) to its debtors. everything is trying "brotherly." And types like Uncle Lukashenko perceive this as weakness.
            1. 0
              6 March 2017 15: 49
              If you’re not smart enough to look at a Sovereign State - a politically independent state with independence in internal and external affairs! Belarus is just independent and who is to blame for the fact that Russia cannot twist its hands, and still supports the junta!
              1. +6
                6 March 2017 17: 17
                You do not know me; therefore, it is not for you to judge the level of my mind - this is the time. Belarus, Ukraine ...... - this series can be continued. When the head of state says that he did not recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia because they threatened from the EU. At the same time, the same chapter with words about “brotherly love”, with a whimper, pulls out loans from Russia, gas at reduced prices, duty-free oil, loans, etc. This is also given from my pocket, from yours too. He is trying to make smuggling through the imposition of sanctions, and to the detriment of Russia, this head of state is a political street girl. And in one you are right - Russia should put such "figures" in a pose and not in one. That political prostitutes the fifth point would remember that the jokes are over. You spread your mind, if there is anything.
                1. 0
                  6 March 2017 17: 26
                  Noisy and no matter how hard you were, you did not provide not one fact that Belarus is not an independent state, but only verbal diarrhea! And the fact that Belarus receives loans, Russia also borrows! But you do not need to insult the head of the neighboring state, of course, if you have it! laughing
                  1. +6
                    6 March 2017 17: 37
                    As for non-arbitrary bowel eruptions - stop being rude. I see that it is not comment from you - that is rudeness. You must have been greatly offended as a child? Sorry. And for "insulting the head of state" - how do you see that someone is trying to "bend" your country? And the tricks of the 90s? Does Lkuashenko have no money? On the porch or on the panel. Moreover, at the last he has long been. Or do you give from yourself? Weak? Warmed the snakes. And again - stop being rude. I can send you a hair dryer so that you will wrap you around for a long time.
                    1. 0
                      6 March 2017 17: 47
                      Scamming no, in the role of the offended you, only hide behind your homeland! So go to the hell with me, I’ll even laugh! laughing how is it in "Gentlemen of Fortune" "All your life you will work on medicines, sausage, sausage, radish, Nebuchadnezzar, Hamburg rooster!" wassat
                      1. +6
                        6 March 2017 17: 52
                        Do you watch courses for the "cock" topic? love Is life patted? Do not be offended, “offended” people too.
                      2. 0
                        6 March 2017 18: 02
                        darling Okolotochny, as an offended mother, is not forgivable to hide behind you and raise your voice on men, not yet the eighth of March! Happy March XNUMX! love laughing
    2. +1
      3 March 2017 12: 37
      Quote: Hiking
      For me, this is the correct article, Lukashenko himself led the country to bankruptcy and he pushes Russia to live off Russia at the expense of Russia. It's time to put his place.

      That is, to break the relationship? You are simply GOD of foreign policy and strategy))))
      You may ask, who are the Friends ... true friends of Russia from the states?
  5. +10
    2 March 2017 08: 45
    Brilliant article and brilliant analytics! Much has been put in place.
    Here, in the comments, many were outraged by the position of the author and Russia, but for some reason no one condemns Lukashenko, although it was his direct fault in the current situation. Indeed, his paradoxical and illogical behavior is explained quite simply, and quite rightly, that such inconsistency and eccentricity to normal people will bother and lead him to a standstill.
    Another thing is surprising - why did Putin just now begin to do what he was supposed to start 10-15 years ago? After all, the trends were understandable. Why run the disease like that? It is clear that treating an advanced stage is more troublesome, longer and more expensive! What is the monstrous incompetence and shortsightedness of the Kremlin? Enemy machinations, someone forbade? Super-smart long-range global strategic plan, not subject to simple reason in its breadth and scope? Or just woke up, because essentially "ball"?
    Here really interesting questions have appeared! ...
    1. +2
      2 March 2017 09: 04
      Another thing is surprising - why did Putin just now begin to do what he was supposed to start 10-15 years ago? After all, the trends were understandable.


      And, excuse me, what do you suggest you had to do in the middle of 0's? Ostmaydan? To organize a palace coup?
      RB is an independent state, if that. Lukashenko is his leader. What were the options?
      Push on him? So crushed ... just useless ..
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      1. +2
        2 March 2017 15: 58
        Quote from rudolf
        . Hostages of ambitions of one single person. He’s here, and Old Man, and the king, and almost a god.

        Two people, if objectively, then many sincerely believe that Putin is holy, but fatherly, what’s blue ... Why do they believe? But because they said on TV ...
    3. 0
      3 March 2017 12: 43
      Quote: Volzhanin
      Brilliant article and brilliant analytics! Much has been put in place.

      That you still heard Kiseleva en .. That's the way the analyst from God !!!) I recommend. Many will put you in your place. And in general, everything will become clear to you what is happening in the world and who is with whom and about what)))
  6. +6
    2 March 2017 09: 26
    I don’t know how liberal or provocative the author is in his other articles, but I agree with this article to all 100.
  7. +5
    2 March 2017 09: 37
    A sensible article, that's right, there is nothing to argue with.
  8. +1
    2 March 2017 09: 37
    I have not mastered so many letters, especially - every second word from the author is FUNNY and FUN. Usually in political articles, if they are not sarcastic, but pretend to be some kind of serious analytics, there is nothing funny. And here the clown Lukashenko amuses the author.
  9. BAI
    +4
    2 March 2017 10: 12
    I must admit: Russia is weak, Russia most recently defiantly threw an ally - Serbia. Therefore, it is in vain to expect that even weaker countries will rush unconditionally to support Russia in actions against the side, which all post-Soviet republics count on financial assistance from. What will happen when there is no Putin? Will another Yeltsin and Kozyrev come and merge everyone?
    1. +1
      2 March 2017 19: 37
      defiantly threw an ally - Serbia


      That is, that same Yugoslavia was our ally?
      Suddenly....
    2. 0
      2 March 2017 22: 17
      Quote: BAI
      I must admit: Russia is weak, Russia most recently defiantly threw an ally - Serbia. Therefore, it is in vain to expect that even weaker countries will rush unconditionally to support Russia in actions against the side, which all post-Soviet republics count on financial assistance from. What will happen when there is no Putin? Will another Yeltsin and Kozyrev come and merge everyone?



      ask those who traveled to Yugoslavia at Scoop, looked at the Soviet, at best, as poor relatives, the Serbs are not relatives or allies to us either ...
  10. dFG
    +5
    2 March 2017 10: 36
    Well, dear gentlemen 210okv and Murzik, please stop writing fables and hopes about the future of one state and branding the author of the article .... please visit TUT.BY and read the comments on articles relating to the Russian Federation, and then specifically determine for yourself the number of even neutral ones to the Russian Federation comments, and this is far from Charter 97, I assure you, but a completely neutral resource.
    1. +3
      2 March 2017 12: 55
      Why should I visit the site? I have two dozen relatives in the Mogilev region and in Minsk. These people are from a doctor, engineer, hard workers and to students .. And I know the situation no worse than yours.
      Quote: dfg
      Well, dear gentlemen 210okv and Murzik, please stop writing fables and hopes about the future of one state and branding the author of the article .... please visit TUT.BY and read the comments on articles relating to the Russian Federation, and then specifically determine for yourself the number of even neutral ones to the Russian Federation comments, and this is far from Charter 97, I assure you, but a completely neutral resource.
      1. +12
        2 March 2017 15: 01
        Believe personal experience (Ukraine) - relatives will first assure of eternal love and friendship, post-Maidan - accusations of aggression up to unwillingness to be considered relatives at all.
        1. +3
          2 March 2017 18: 54
          Quote: Okolotochny
          Believe personal experience

          personal experience is different. My policy has not affected in any way. I know many, similarly. But I also know that many have had your cases. Do not watch TV and if relatives, too, everything is ok.
          1. +6
            3 March 2017 16: 32
            I agree, all people are different. I wrote that the reference in this case to personal experience is not convincing.
        2. +1
          3 March 2017 12: 38
          Quote: Okolotochny
          Believe personal experience (Ukraine) - relatives will first assure of eternal love and friendship, post-Maidan - accusations of aggression up to unwillingness to be considered relatives at all.

          Yes, the zombie has been working wonders lately, many cotton heads have fallen under his blows)))
          1. +1
            6 March 2017 11: 20
            The Internet is affected in the same way. Much depends on which site a person who is immature and does not know how to analyze information accidentally lands on.
    2. +1
      3 March 2017 23: 00
      "but a completely neutral resource" - it depends on whom.
    3. +1
      6 March 2017 17: 46
      Yes, read this oppovsku muck yourself. Offer to read the charter? yes you see for yourself from there ... :) Not funny.
  11. +2
    2 March 2017 11: 07
    Yes, tough. I sent this article on vibeur to Belarusians, the reaction is interesting.
    In my opinion everything is exactly written. But hunger, he sets the brain quickly.
    Everyone at work, as one, is afraid of reducing oil supplies to 6.5 mil. Tons Exactly as much as is needed for domestic consumption.
    1. 0
      2 March 2017 22: 15
      Quote: demos1111
      Yes, tough. I sent this article on vibeur to Belarusians, the reaction is interesting.
      In my opinion everything is exactly written. But hunger, he sets the brain quickly.
      Everyone at work, as one, is afraid of reducing oil supplies to 6.5 mil. Tons Exactly as much as is needed for domestic consumption.



      why are they always afraid of a more worthy one - to buy Azerbaijan?
    2. +1
      3 March 2017 15: 27
      Quote: demos1111
      Yes, tough. I sent this article on vibeur to Belarusians, the reaction is interesting.
      In my opinion everything is exactly written. But hunger, he sets the brain quickly.
      Everyone at work, as one, is afraid of reducing oil supplies to 6.5 mil. Tons Exactly as much as is needed for domestic consumption.

      And what kind of famine are we talking about, in a country in which products are even exported? Something I do not observe crowds of starving Belarusians.
  12. +8
    2 March 2017 12: 11
    Even the fact that Russia is a strong, prosperous state

    Are you a serious author? Half if not more than the composition of the government and bureaucrats traitors promoting anti-people’s laws, the Central Bank is not controlled by Russia itself, half of the inhabitants are below the poverty line, what greatness and power are you talking about?
    1. +2
      3 March 2017 15: 30
      Quote: free
      Even the fact that Russia is a strong, prosperous state
      The Central Bank is not controlled by Russia itself,

      In Russia there is a proverb "I heard a ringing, but I don’t know where it is"
      Look who appoints the head of the Central Bank.
  13. +1
    2 March 2017 12: 53
    NATIONAL ACTION STRATEGY
    RUSSIAN FEDERATION IN THE INTERESTS OF WOMEN

    FOR 2017-2022

    III. Goals and objectives of the Strategy

    4. Intensification of actions to prevent violence and reduce the consequences of its manifestation, development of a system of assistance to women victims of domestic violence, sexual violence and trafficking in women and children, prevention of social ill-being.

    improvement of legislation in the field of combating domestic and domestic violence;

    here’s the grandeur of them for you at the door, they were sent out with a “contingent”, Putin canceled this order, so they are trying to smuggle their juvenile spirit in this strategy, and the Sberbank offers those who submit an application for debt restructuring to sign such a small piece of paper on your consent to ( collection, storage, transfer xs knows to whom, etc.) Sberbank and AHML information about your children fuck? Talk then about debt, the same one to one was in the contingent canceled by Putin.
  14. +3
    2 March 2017 13: 18
    Yes, in Belarus, of course, not pleasant things are happening, but I am more concerned about Russian national formations, yes, we have been living in the world for hundreds of years, but shaking them is not more difficult than ukrov or Belarusians, especially since the existing social system, the stratification of the rich and poor ( which besides chains ..) has this to do with it. It’s not in vain that the news reports about the capture of agitators, but I’m afraid they won’t catch everyone. A person should have a goal in life, but Yeltsin, Gorbi, Chubais, Gaidar, etc.
  15. dFG
    +2
    2 March 2017 14: 10
    Quote: 210ox
    Why should I visit the site? I have two dozen relatives in the Mogilev region and in Minsk. These people are from a doctor, engineer, hard workers and to students .. And I know the situation no worse than yours.
    Quote: dfg
    Well, dear gentlemen 210okv and Murzik, please stop writing fables and hopes about the future of one state and branding the author of the article .... please visit TUT.BY and read the comments on articles relating to the Russian Federation, and then specifically determine for yourself the number of even neutral ones to the Russian Federation comments, and this is far from Charter 97, I assure you, but a completely neutral resource.

    always being touched by the knowledge of the situation according to someone’s stories, well, if you think it’s worth reading, it’s worthwhile not to direct the author and the article in vain, since it is written, albeit a lot, but it’s true
    1. +1
      2 March 2017 14: 48
      Dear dfg, I was in Belarus a year ago! So I can’t believe my own eyes? belay
      1. +3
        2 March 2017 15: 54
        I’ll also put in my five cents.
        The presentation style is too emotional. Many repetitions.
        I would not put such a big equal sign between the Maid-Ukraine and today's Belarus. Last June, I was in Brest (about which I wrote at VO). No complaints against Belarusians: friendly, welcoming, exceptionally kind attitude towards Russians and towards Russia. This is a personal observation. Communicated with many.
        I wouldn’t shift the actions, thoughts and motives of Old Man Lukashenko (I’m not even saying the elite) to the whole Belarusian people.
        I want to remind you that in the 90's, Lukashenko was for more complete integration with Russia. And our young reformers Nemtsov, Gaidar, Chubais and others, who in every possible way spread rot to Lukashenko, stood in this way.
        As regards the non-recognition of South Ossetia and the reunification of Crimea, which the author never tires of repeating, none of our CSTO or CIS allies did this.
        The trouble is that Russia does not have a coherent policy in either the Ukrainian or the Belarusian direction. Chernomyrdin and Zurabov as ambassadors - this is the state. treason.
        1. +3
          2 March 2017 16: 46
          The presentation style is too emotional. Many repetitions.


          Each has its own style.


          I wouldn’t shift the actions, thoughts and motives of Old Man Lukashenko (I’m not even saying the elite) to the whole Belarusian people.


          Oddly enough, it is the elites, not the people, who make political decisions.

          As regards the non-recognition of South Ossetia and the reunification of Crimea, which the author never tires of repeating, none of our CSTO or CIS allies did this


          Kazakhstan does not live (and does not try to live) at the expense of Russia ... feel the difference ..
  16. +5
    2 March 2017 15: 36
    There are no allies or brothers outside the borders of the Russian Federation; there are only partners or temporary like-minded people. If the relationship is not beneficial to us - to hell with such a relationship. Everything is simple.
  17. +4
    2 March 2017 19: 00
    It’s just like in the old Soviet cartoon where the hippo said “Girl, I am your greatest friend” Just like Lukashenko. They say rightly: "Worse enemies are only cunning relatives," which are our "Brotherhood" in the west and southwest. To hell with our relatives it’s better to be an orphan
  18. +2
    2 March 2017 19: 01
    As I understand it, the photographs depict the entire Jewish diaspora of Minsk and its environs mixed with local holy fools?
    1. 0
      2 March 2017 22: 10
      Quote: Sentence
      As I understand it, the photographs depict the entire Jewish diaspora of Minsk and its environs mixed with local holy fools?



      Well, yes, but in the “not stale” square, also in 2013, holy fools and Jews were ...
  19. +3
    2 March 2017 19: 02
    As rightly wrote above, such articles the notorious script is simply inevitable. Indeed, at the grassroots level, everyone will immediately blame it as if the meeting of Sechin, Miller, etc., with their colleagues from the Republic of Belarus are sharing the nat. commons. Although everything is more banal, just no money. Neither of those nor the others. In the absence of super prices for oil / gas and the ability to pay for loyalty (or allow to earn on it).
    The standard set is trade wars, ultimatums and disruptions of integration processes + a huge publication of material for grassroots wars on the network (Like this one - Stop Feed RB)
    Participate in fomenting who is to blame and what to do? I won’t. But now, representatives of Belarus in the role of ours on the site before the mass exile in 2013 / 2014. I am sincerely sorry for all the debaters ... but discussing such articles, we are slipping into a bulosrach and, in the end, we cut ties and attitudes in this way, and not by the actions of politicians.
    1. +4
      2 March 2017 19: 36
      and the ability to pay for loyalty (or allow you to earn on it).

      Like this-Stop Feed RB)


      The meaning of the article (one of) is that for a very long time we fed for the loyalty of those who categorically did not want to demonstrate this loyalty.

      If the elite of Belarus was loyal to Russia, then there would be no questions.
    2. +1
      2 March 2017 22: 09
      Quote: Catherine II
      As rightly wrote above, such articles the notorious script is simply inevitable. Indeed, at the grassroots level, everyone will immediately blame it as if the meeting of Sechin, Miller, etc., with their colleagues from the Republic of Belarus are sharing the nat. commons. Although everything is more banal, just no money. Neither of those nor the others. In the absence of super prices for oil / gas and the ability to pay for loyalty (or allow to earn on it).
      The standard set is trade wars, ultimatums and disruptions of integration processes + a huge publication of material for grassroots wars on the network (Like this one - Stop Feed RB)
      Participate in fomenting who is to blame and what to do? I won’t. But now, representatives of Belarus in the role of ours on the site before the mass exile in 2013 / 2014. I am sincerely sorry for all the debaters ... but discussing such articles, we are slipping into a bulosrach and, in the end, we cut ties and attitudes in this way, and not by the actions of politicians.



      the people of the Republic of Belarus wanted to cut ties with the imperial RF, why not go to meet the next "fraternal people"?
      1. 0
        6 March 2017 20: 31
        commbatant, and you know that the hereditary estate of A.V. Suvorov was in Kobrin? From what sources do you not know about the people of Belarus that "the people of Belarus wanted to cut off ties with the imperial RF"?
  20. +2
    2 March 2017 22: 06
    I AM FOR THE SUPPORT OF HONDURAS, NOT RB, ONE HORSE WILL BE BAD ....
    1. 0
      6 March 2017 20: 38
      you are a bad commbatan, you already understand this yourself, you will be because now you are. . You have such karma. Be silent about others.
  21. +1
    2 March 2017 23: 33
    Old Man is trying to sit on two genitals with one hole at once, sorry for my French ...
  22. +3
    3 March 2017 01: 40
    The article is either a provocation or the author must More like the second, because too many letters are written and repeated the same thing. In order to understand that about Belarusian nationalism carries a frank heresy, just go to any Belarusian website and read comments (which is currently the only more or less reliable source of information about the mood of the people), and compare them with what was the last in Ukraine 10 years and everything will become clear. No, of course there are provocateurs and Russophobes there, but no matter how much Old Man tried or whoever else, their percentage disappearing is small compared to those who love Russia. There are even a lot of opinions skipping that Belarus would be better in the composition of the Russian Federation, which was unlikely to even be imagined in Khozland. As for geography, there is still Polish influence in the West, there’s no getting anywhere else - neighbors
    1. +1
      3 March 2017 08: 16
      In order to understand that about Belarusian nationalism carries a frank heresy, just go to any Belarusian site and read comments


      https://news.tut.by/world/532332.html Читайте... только плеваться потом не надо. Компьютер об стену бить тоже..
    2. 0
      3 March 2017 11: 43
      think ideological sabotage?
      1. 0
        3 March 2017 23: 51
        Rather a warning.
  23. +3
    3 March 2017 14: 14
    It makes me sick to read some “opinions”, looking from the bloodshot of NEW RUSSIA. Why should I love the “brotherly” people of Belarus, if they always voted for their father, not paying attention to the fact that he has been kissing since 2008 with the Nazis / Saakashvili, Poroshenko /. “Brothers” hope that he as always begs Halyava from Russia and they do not care that their brothers die in the Donbass, from tanks that go to the “brotherly” solarium, that my sons are killed by mercenaries -Snipers using "brotherly" night vision sights and that "hurricanes" and "tornadoes" come to us from the heavy tractors supplied by the "brothers." The tears of the mothers of Donbass will pour out to you! I curse the judo tribe !!!
    1. +1
      3 March 2017 22: 51
      generalization error with you, comrade.
    2. +1
      6 March 2017 17: 51
      You are very mistaken, it is unlikely that you generally write from there whose flag you have.
      This repost has already flickered in many comments.
      Give proof, well, at least one, that the tractors are new under the old installations. That this is not a Russian solarium at all.
      Drive a wedge will not succeed.
      1. 0
        7 March 2017 15: 49
        To Dr. Sorge: come to me in the hero city of Snezhnoye, I will take you to the front line where you will talk with our soldiers, they will tell you in detail.
        1. +1
          8 March 2017 11: 13
          Believe me, I can answer you sharply, because many trolls drive wedges between us. I did not mean to offend or offend you.
          1. 0
            8 March 2017 15: 24
            To Dr. Sorge: we here in the Donbass have long been covered with a thick crust and it’s so easy not to break through us. I don’t take offense at you personally — maybe you are a decent person, but almost all the Belarusian people, who are used to Russian freebies and behave like a girl “with reduced social responsibility,” are better than V.V. .P. Will not say.
            1. +1
              8 March 2017 21: 47
              Well, I wouldn’t say that about Belarusians in general, if only because most of us are Russians. No, well, there are Svidomo, not without dirt, as they say. But so that we are corrupt, do not say so.
              I can’t call the man behind the machine tool or the tractor driver who you called us. In the "intelligentsia," of course, everything is enough.
              It’s hard for me to say about technology, since there is no information about the plants.
  24. +3
    3 March 2017 22: 14
    "... and even honest citizens consider Crimea - Ukrainian, Tskhinval - Georgian, and Zakharchenko - a separatist ...."
    The author has a strange opinion about "even honest citizens." I dare to suggest that for the most part ordinary citizens do not think so. Search by the author and in "... the people really will not support pro-Russian politics." State propaganda and the opinion of the people do not always coincide, especially in today's Belarus.
    The pro-Western opposition has an order of magnitude better management than the "eastern" one. Eastern, pro-Russian mass is not structured. Now this may seem absurd, but the leader and spokesman for the “pro-Russian” moods in society was Lukashenko, and now practically no one. Confidence in Lukashenko diminished and P
  25. +2
    3 March 2017 22: 48
    and pro-Western opposition in front of the engine. The situation is surreal. But Lukashenko seeks the truth in the Middle Ages. This must, probably, be understood in such a way that, precisely, in the Principality of Polotsk lie the origins of today's and independence, and multi-vector and something else?
    1. +2
      3 March 2017 23: 25
      but you’ll be a state within the borders, as you say of the Principality of Polotsk, the Russian Federation needs a buffer zone with NATO, and I personally don’t give a damn which state or its remnants will be such a buffer if the security of the Russian Federation is at stake ...
      Do you have the choice of either being a union state for the Russian Federation, a buffer between the Russian Federation and NATO (with compensation for this from the Russian Federation, as was the case with RI and the USSR) or just a buffer and not necessarily a state, the peoples of Abkhazia and South Ossetia have chosen, for myself the first option, everything else is demagogy ...
      1. +2
        3 March 2017 23: 42
        commbatant - "you will be a state within the borders, as you say of the Principality of Polotsk." Did I say that ?. Please read carefully, even if you personally do not care.
        "with compensation for this from the Russian Federation, as it was under the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR" - for the first time I hear this - "as it was under the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR." These are your "pro-Russian" thoughts that you personally invented.
        1. +1
          4 March 2017 00: 13
          slaves, were they? had the same rights as the metropolis (according to your Natsik and not only - RB was a colony of "cursed maskals"), they received Western Belarus, not a single colony of such privileges has ever had in world history (except maybe other similar "colonies" " occupied RF ") ....
          and let's not go down in historical epics, anyway, do not convince me ....
          or Belarus is an ally in the closed military-political bloc - the Collective Security Treaty Organization, in the political and economic union - the CU, the EAC, or you are just one of the many states of the world with which the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus have bilateral relations, no more ...
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  26. 0
    4 March 2017 13: 42
    Quote: 210ox
    I just urge you to change your mind on both sides. No one needs a confrontation ...

    But who will hear this call? Alexander the third, as always, is right: "Russia has no friends. The best ally will easily betray her, well, etc."
    1. +1
      5 March 2017 18: 42
      “The best ally will easily betray” - valerei, this cannot be by definition, because the ally is “the best”. It turns out that the epithet was invented, and
      it turns out that "not everything is so simple." The people have forgotten the ancient biblical commandment "Do not make yourself an idol."
  27. +1
    6 March 2017 16: 04
    That's because of such people as Oleg Egorov, who write such capitalized articles, everything happens. The mustache is gone !!! Sentry !!! Rape, help !!!
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      1. 0
        6 March 2017 20: 11
        You specify "abroad", please, if you have one.
    2. 0
      6 March 2017 20: 08
      "That's because of people like Oleg Egorov ... everything happens." How is it?. Starik72, that Oleg Egorov is an incredibly powerful person ?. An ordinary journalist, if “everything happens”, then certainly not because of him. He has a different mission.
      1. 0
        6 March 2017 22: 41
        brod. Do you believe these journalists who are ready to write anything for money? I do not believe. You write that he has a different mission, but a different one. The fact is taken, separate truthful details are pulled out of it, then they are mussed, changed, transferred from a different angle, and now the true detail has turned into what he writes in the article, that is, what one grandmother said. With his verbiage, he brainwashes such people who don’t want to think, and we have more and more of them. It is not for nothing that thinking people say that morality and conscience have replaced money at this time.
        1. 0
          7 March 2017 00: 46
          Starik72. You write "A fact is taken, separate truthful details are pulled out of it, then they are mused, re-twisted ..,". Show this fact. Point to "pulling out, musing, reinterpreting ..." You do not have this, but there is - "... The mustache has disappeared !!! The guard !!! They are forcing, help !!!". "That's because of people like Oleg Egorov ..." So who has verbiage? Think about it.
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            1. 0
              7 March 2017 23: 16
              Everything is clear with you old man, verbiage is primitive and inappropriate for you. It’s harmful for you to think and read ..
    3. 0
      6 March 2017 21: 36
      That's because of such people as Oleg Egorov, who write such capitalized articles, everything happens.


      And the Russian blogger in Azerbaijan ... also Oleg Egorov ...
      In the course of Belarusians have a new president ...
  28. +1
    9 March 2017 14: 50
    Ukrainian version for Belarus


    One can only hope that the Supreme drew the necessary conclusions, and as soon as all this white-tape tape was scattered in the geyropa on photos, we would immediately send troops and trample the Minsk Maidan.
  29. 0
    21 February 2018 11: 53
    Recall that within the framework of the newly formed Eurasian Union, both Belarus and Kazakhstan provide their geopolitical resource in the process of exchange, Russia in return gives its resource: raw materials, loans, subsidies, access to the market. All honestly and do not need to duplicate pictures of a poor relative, born in the inflamed brain of the Russian oligarchy. We are one people. The rulers are different.

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