The first flight of the Chinese "Pterodactyl"

In China, the first flight of a new domestic shock drone Wing Loong II (Pterodactyl II or 翼龙II in Chinese), reports bmpd with reference to the blog of Yuri Lyamina.

The aircraft was built by Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group (part of AVIC) in Chengdu.

The stated characteristics:
- Length - 11 meters;
- Wingspan - 20,5 meters;
- Height - 4,1 meter;
- Maximum take-off weight - 4200 kg;
- Combat load - 480 kg;
- Speed ​​up to 370 km / h;
- Flight altitude to 9000 meters.

But the UAV should look like with full armament.

Comments

[dnestr74]

I didn’t understand, but what then was taken at the parade? Layouts?

[dik-nsk]

apparently the pterodactel I)) there is another question: why do the Chinese drones at all? their own 1,5 yards of mouths

[xetai9977]

Again they write, a clone, a clone ... The laws of aerodynamics are the same in the USA and in China. Therefore, everyone looks almost the same. While some are shaking the air “we will drive the United States !,” “we will destroy NATO” the Chinese are really doing business and REALLY getting stronger. Well done. Nothing to say.

[dik-nsk]

Again they write, a clone, a clone.

Do not you think that your comment, as it were, in a milder way, is not addressed at all? in general - this is not at all addressed Neither I nor my colleague mentioned the “clone” at all, or would they just comment on it higher, but doesn’t it matter in the topic?

[Arh]

And we have a semblance of such sizes ???

[Marksman]

Quote: Arh

And we have a semblance of such sizes ???

We have only beautiful layouts. More beautiful than western and eastern non-flyers.
Maybe already buy from Kitaysev yes copy? And then the "shock" UAVs have already appeared even in the IG defense "industry." (Joke ... from chagrin)

[bouncyhunter]

"To what extent does the king resemble our Bunshu!" (c) film "Ivan Vasilievich Changes the Profession".

[tronin.maxim]

Quote: dnestr74

I do not understand

I think it's worth rejoicing for the Chinese.

[Marksman]

Quote: tronin.maxim

Quote: dnestr74

I do not understand

I think it's worth rejoicing for the Chinese.

Maybe it's better to scratch your head?

[kolkulon]

Someone he subtly reminds me.

[Alex_59]

Quote: kolkulon

Someone he subtly reminds me.

This is just a cheap Chinese copy of a defunct Russian copy of the American MQ-9. They stole from us as always. Ahhhh. Which are not good. And we are proud, we do not steal technology.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Alex_59

This is just a cheap Chinese copy of a defunct Russian copy of the American MQ-9. They stole from us as always.

Copy is not a copy! We are out of competition, due to the lack of a subject for competition, at least with China, not to mention the United States. In this class of weapons, we are not just behind the United States - we simply do not have it.

[Alex_59]

Quote: kapitan92

In this class of weapons, we are not just behind the United States - we simply do not have it.

I wrote this, only allegorically and with irony.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Alex_59

I wrote this, only allegorically and with irony

The irony did not understand, to blame! It’s just not ironic anymore. Ours promise a shock UAV no earlier than 2018, and it will also have a performance characteristics of the “Predator” type, which was created in the States in the last century.

[Rabinowicz]

The Chinese are stealing technology.

[The brightest]

But what about the "thief in the thief will not peck out his eyes", where is professional solidarity?

[V.ic]

Quote: Rabinovich

The Chinese are stealing technology.

... and Jews do not steal technology?

[Alex_59]

Quote: V.ic

... and Jews do not steal technology?

Right Jews-steal. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, for example. Eternal memory to them.

[Siberian]

They do not steal technology, they "make copies"

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Rabinovich

The Chinese are stealing technology.

As the classic said: “We need to take music from the people and only process it” - so I do. Therefore, when you take it from the composer today, you take it from the people, take it from the people, take it from you, and most importantly, make your music and whoever says it is plagiarism, I say tradition.

[edge]

as always, as always, while the brains are not enough, strangers use them; just like am .... s, only these create laboratories on their territory, and then assign the result of the work

[Mountain shooter]

Do they have a copier stuck? The switch has obviously broken.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Do they have a copier stuck? The switch has obviously broken.

They stuck, yes.
And we do not have a photocopy. Here.

[Koshak]

Laughter, laughter, but so far we are even behind the Chinese on drones. As if we did not have to include a copy machine.

[NordUral]

Better to copy worthwhile than grind with tongue, like some. And remember that for drones, especially percussion, we are just in the ass.

[san4es]

The best UAV is ,, Buran "(was)

[Altona]

Pentagon traitor cloned? No?

[V.ic]

In the first picture, the "chick" is not yet painted.

[Semen Semyonitch]

翼龙 II

Great and mighty Chinese language .... And especially writing.

[san4es]

... Hieroglyphs mean - ,, PteroZavr "(Google translation)

[iliitchitch]

Here are those acid-colored things on the pilots of that drone (in the third picture) - not parachutes, for an hour?

[Shadow shooter]

Well done Chinese, no words.

[Sly]

Quote: iliitch

Here are those acid-colored things on the pilots of that drone (in the third picture) - not parachutes, for an hour?

the catapult chair is ordinary, when the drone is knocked out, it shoots the operator out of the control car

[stone]

Copying a glider, in the case of an UAV, is half the battle, even less. A drone is a complex that includes a bunch of all sorts of bells and whistles sensors, cameras, radars, electronic warfare equipment, ground stations, encryption systems, etc. I'm not sure that the Chinese are okay with this. And so it flies, the picture shows. Arabs and other countries of the 3rd world will go for export.

[donavi49]

Well, the previous generation is already participating in real combat missions in Iraq and Nigeria.

[donavi49]

Well, here’s Shahid 129 - an Iranian strike UAV, created in collaboration with the Chinese:

[g1washntwn]

I will add that in addition to the UAV stuffed in, you need a satellite constellation for remote control and navigation. Own is highly recommended, and this VERY expensive pleasure. Without satellites it will fly far, on other people's satellites - not for long :)

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: g1washntwn

I will add that in addition to the UAV stuffed in, you need a satellite constellation for remote control and navigation. Own is highly recommended, and this VERY expensive pleasure. Without satellites it will fly far, on other people's satellites - not for long :)

And China has it, at the moment it covers the SEA region
By 2020 I plan to bring to global
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бэйдоу

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: stone

A drone is a complex that includes a bunch of all sorts of bells and whistles sensors, cameras, radars, electronic warfare equipment, ground stations, encryption systems, etc. I'm not sure that the Chinese are okay with this

China has microelectronics
both civilian and military
I would not worry about them, especially in this segment

[MoJloT]

A dangerous neighbor, with strange intentions.

[Prahlad]

Well understood. Claiming to the Russian territories!

[levfuks]

Most of the comments are “steal”, clone, etc. Properly using something invented by someone does not mean stealing. This is how this world works - someone invents, others use and vice versa.
I understand that if Americans or Israelis mocked the Chinese, but Russia has so far nothing to show in this class of drones. And it is not clear when something decent appears.
Well done Chinese!

[rotmistr60]

I understand that if Americans or Israelis mocked the Chinese, but Russia has so far nothing to show in this class of drones. And it’s not clear when something decent appears

I will support you. Technology can be laughed at when copying or stealing technology can be fun when the gadgets themselves are full. Israel makes good drones, and there are half "our people." Information for consideration.

[edge]

Quote: levfuks

So far, Russia has nothing to show in this class of drones. And it is not clear when something decent appears.

In general, there are developments, they just can not be ordered

[edge]

Quote: kolkulon

Someone he subtly reminds me.

they so accelerate their scientific development, using foreign thought as reference points ......

[Holoy]

And we don’t even have anything close like this among UAVs with a long range of action, the mind is not enough ...

[Machete]

Do you need it?
A strong enemy, this flying rubbish will be intercepted even on approach and planted or smashed to the ground, and the weak can be handled by ordinary aircraft.
And for reconnaissance and small drones is enough.

[Holoy]

It’s just necessary. How many Air Force pilots have already died? How many artillery gunners died? In Syria, we would have nothing to do without them at all ... the benefit of previously purchased UAVs in Israel helps ... All reconnaissance through UAVs is going on ...
By the way, they are attackers, in Israel, they generally gathered to refuse attack helicopters, they have enough UAVs ... And in the USA, it’s UAVs that cause great damage to terrorists ...

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: Machete

Do you need it?

Not just necessary, but disastrously necessary.
And it’s painfully expensive pleasure to send Tu-22M3 / Tu-160 / Su-34 for “barmels on carts”

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: Holoy

And we don’t even have anything close like this among UAVs with a long range of action, the mind is not enough ...

That's just the same mind enough.
But "there is no money (from the Kremlin), but you are holding on. All the best to you, good and good mood."

[Machete]

Probably, only in China there is a ministry for slamming military secrets and technologies of the countries of the world.
Did they even come up with something in life?

[Editor]

and remember how recently in Syria our drone flew to Israel and deftly dodged TWO air defense missiles and then left the raised F-16 fighter ...

http://inosmi.ru/military/20160808/237474253.html

[Mentat]

Quote: prosto_rgb

Quote: g1washntwn

I will add that in addition to the UAV stuffed in, you need a satellite constellation for remote control and navigation. Own is highly recommended, and this VERY expensive pleasure. Without satellites it will fly far, on other people's satellites - not for long :)

And China has it, at the moment it covers the SEA region
By 2020 I plan to bring to global
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бэйдоу

If you still understood what you were writing about.
We need communication satellites with wide channels, not only navigation.

[Mentat]

So many whining, howling, all-movers and revelry gorlopanov, as in the topic of drones, probably not in any other.

I don’t know if they’re just foolish people or they’re paid, or they’ve banned them in search engines.

Heavy UAVs are actually used only by the USA. Not because everyone else is so stupid, and you can’t, you see, repeat such wonderful drones, the pinnacle of technological progress.
The reason is the operation of heavy UAVs of the current generation is an economic failure. Not a single military budget, with the exception of the United States, which simply prints money for itself, can afford it. None at all.

Why? Firstly, the flight hour of a heavy UAV is about twice as expensive as the manned vehicle's LF, and the capabilities are immeasurably lower. Secondly, in fact, all operations with the use of weapons are carried out only in manual mode, for this you need a “thick” satellite communication channel, and for this you need a powerful orbital constellation of military communications and control satellites, which must be launched, replenished, serviced.

All this results in a tremendous financial failure. In which Russia, of course, does not intend to meddle.
We create heavy aircraft with other principles of control. We have such idiotic UAVs used by the USA, and the operation of which surpasses the line of “economic madness”, will not be.

[Wildfox]

Flying hour MQ-9A 4,762, F-18 24,400 Explain to the "all-crawler" (which I am not), Where is that PROVAAAAAL !!
Infa from Diefens One. According to estimates in the operation against the caliphate.

[Mentat]

Quote: WildFox

Flying hour MQ-9A 4,762, F-18 24,400 Explain to the "all-crawler" (which I am not), Where is that PROVAAAAAL !!
Infa from Diefens One. According to estimates in the operation against the caliphate.

This is cunning, not infa.
Of course, the cost of the flight hour of a small vehicle directly will be less, obviously (although in the case of RQ-4, on the contrary, everything is very expensive), however:
1. Drones crash frequency 3 times higher (http://www.americansecurityproject.org/the-us-an
d-its-uavs-a-cost-benefit-analysis /)
2. To carry out a mission of a heavy UAV, more than 80 (!) People are required to be involved (ibid.).
3. When indicating the cost of a flight hour of drones, the cost of operating a satellite constellation is modestly silent, without the use of which missions will never be carried out in practice.

[Okolotochny]

Thank. But I didn’t think about the cost of operating the corresponding satellite constellation. Information for consideration.

[Jabal]

Mentat: It is for these 3 reasons (well, plus two more unannounced ones) that at least two of our devices languish and are not even allowed to run / test. At least I only know two)). They have slightly different functions than the shown Chinese drone, but these functions are completely covered by the existing weapons with a crew (1-2 people).