Multi-purpose combat aircraft Mwari (South Africa / USA)

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Many states of the world, choosing new military equipment for their army, are forced to focus primarily on the cost of the proposed models. In addition, it does not always make sense to buy equipment with the highest characteristics, excessive to solve the tasks assigned to the army. Due to the existence of such needs and requirements in recent decades, many projects have been created, including aviation technicians. One of the latest attempts to create a cheap multipurpose aircraft capable of solving certain combat missions is the Mwari project.

The Mwari light multipurpose combat aircraft project (“Mvari” - the creator of the deity of the world in the mythology of the people of Shona) was recently developed by Paramount Group (South Africa) in collaboration with the firms Aerosud Group (South Africa) and Boeing (USA). The aim of the project was the processing of an already created aircraft, after which it could be used as a scout or attack aircraft. It was proposed to adapt the existing structure to the solution of new tasks by improving the complex of onboard equipment, expanding the range of ammunition, etc. Glider and power plant could remain the same.




Experienced mwari in flight


As a basis for the aircraft Mwari was taken glider, previously created in the framework of the project AHRLAC (Advanced High Performance Reconnaissance Light Aircraft - "Improved high-performance light reconnaissance aircraft"). This project has been created by Paramount Group and Aerosud Group since the end of the last decade. In the summer of 2014, the first prototype was built and put to test. In August, he first took to the air. Characteristic features of the project AHRLAC was the use of the airframe of the original design, which can improve the basic flight characteristics and ensure the effective use of the target equipment. Already in the project AHRLAC envisaged the possibility of not only conducting intelligence, but also carrying weapons to attack various objects.

In September 2014, Paramount Group and Boeing signed an agreement whereby the further development of the existing project was to continue as part of international cooperation. According to reports, the American company had to take over some of the work to improve the on-board equipment and weapon systems. Teamwork gave some results. In addition, they were decided to continue in the future. In May 2016, the terms of cooperation were updated: now the two project participants intend to create an improved version of the on-board electronics complex with enhanced characteristics.

Also in May last year, the developers announced the existence of the project AHRLAC Mwari and announced some information about it. Soon the first prototype was built, which was later put to the test. To date, most of the tests have been completed, which allowed development companies to make plans for the future and begin work on the promotion of technology on the domestic and international market for military equipment.

22 February, it was announced that the company Paramount Group began assembling the first production aircraft of a new type. In the very near future, this technique can be transferred to customers. Reportedly, during serial production, the planned financial aspects of the project were preserved. The aircraft in the base configuration will cost the customer in 10 million US dollars. For equipment in the most complete set will have to pay twice as much. Despite this, the proposed multi-purpose aircraft can claim to be one of the cheapest military vehicles of its class in the world.

Perhaps the main factor that made it possible to reduce the cost of equipment was the correct approach to shaping the look of the aircraft. The company-developer at the stage of creating the basic project AHRLAC identified the needs and desires of potential customers, which should be taken into account when shaping the appearance of technology. Small and poor states of Africa, South America, etc., first of all, need light multipurpose aircraft capable of conducting reconnaissance in specified areas, as well as attack detected targets using guided and unguided aviation weapons. An important feature of such technology should be small size and take-off weight, as well as reduced requirements for landing sites.

Multi-purpose combat aircraft Mwari (South Africa / USA)
Prototype reconnaissance aircraft AHRLAC


To obtain the required flight data, it was proposed to use a glider of unusual design. The reconnaissance aircraft AHRLAC and its combat modification Mwari are high-winged with a small reverse sweep wing and a two-gang fuselage. Between the beams is placed a pushing propeller. Another characteristic feature associated with the need to reduce the size and weight, is a relatively large cabin, which occupies the maximum possible volume of the forward fuselage.

One of the main units of the Mwari aircraft is the fuselage that accommodates the cockpit, powerplant and most of the special equipment. The fuselage received a recognizable shape, reminiscent of the design of some combat helicopters. The relatively narrow fuselage has rounded upper and lower parts when using vertical sides. The rounded nose fairing of the fuselage is equipped with a forward support for the opto-electronic equipment unit. Behind the fairing, the fuselage height is increased, giving the required volume to accommodate the crew. There is a large lantern, completely closing the double cabin. Behind the rear of the cabin, the height of the fuselage is slightly reduced. There are also mounting for mounting the wing and engine.

The aircraft received a wing with a small negative sweep of the leading and trailing edges. Such features of the wing can significantly improve its characteristics without the risk of the manifestation of the characteristic flaws of negative sweep. The width of the wing does not change along the entire length, but to increase the area and change the characteristics it is proposed to use flaps extending beyond the rear edge. Ailerons are located near the wingtips.

At some distance from the fuselage on the wing, two beams are attached, which are necessary for installing the tail unit. Beams have a reduced cross section. At the tail end of the beams horizontal tail is placed in the form of a large stabilizer with a rudder that occupies all the space between them. At the top of each beam, the keel is to be installed with a swept leading edge. A trapezoid-shaped comb is placed on the beam below.



The Pratt and Whitney Canada PT6A-66B hp 850 hp turbo-prop engine was placed in the rear fuselage, directly behind the cockpit. The engine is mounted in the upper part of the fuselage so that the upper part of the skin smoothly mates with the screw of the screw. The shaft of the screw is located slightly below the tail beams. The engine can be equipped with a pushing engine with four or five blades. The flow of atmospheric air to the engine is carried out using two intake devices. Air intakes are located on the sides of the fuselage under the wing; fence devices are covered with long fairings.

The aircraft has a three-point wheeled chassis. Racks are equipped with wheels of different diameters and have drives for cleaning. The nose rack is located at the front of the cabin, the main - in the tail of the fuselage. The front desk is retracted into the fuselage niche, whereas for the main ones it was necessary to provide for large drop-shaped fairings on the sides. The design of the racks and wheels allows the use of unprepared or partially prepared runways. It also provides for the replacement of standard wheels with similar devices of increased dimensions, performing the functions of floats.

Mwari must be managed by a two-man crew. Both pilots are placed in a tandem cabin and protected by a common lantern. Equipment jobs pilots are chosen in accordance with the concept of the so-called. glass cabin. There is a set of multifunctional liquid crystal displays and other equipment that meets modern requirements. In the basic configuration of the aircraft, pilots are invited to escape using parachutes, leaving the car on their own. At the request of the customer, the aircraft can be equipped with ejection seat type Martin Baker Mk16 or Mk17.

Before launching the project AHRLAC was proposed to equip the aircraft with suspended containers with equipment of the required types. This allowed for reconnaissance using radio engineering, optical-electronic or other means. The Mwari aircraft, as conceived by the authors of the project, was to receive some integrated onboard systems. The most noticeable element of the special equipment was the optoelectronic unit. A rotary device with a spherical fairing suspended under it was placed on the support of the nose fairing. In accordance with the requirements of time, the unit is equipped with a camera, thermal imager and laser range finder. This equipment can be used both for reconnaissance and for the use of weapons.



Despite the installation of its own surveillance facilities, the Mwari project still retains the ability to use outboard containers for one purpose or another. Such equipment can be used when it is necessary to conduct reconnaissance or to improve the potential of an aircraft to search for targets during strike operations.

The Mwari aircraft's own armament consists of one 20 mm automatic cannon, located inside the forward fuselage. At the customer's request, a 30 mm weapon can be used. All other weapons are proposed to be carried on six external suspension units located under the wing. The aircraft can carry up to 800 kg of various weapons. Blocks with unguided rockets, guided and free-fall bombs. The range of compatible munitions may include a variety of aviation weapons for various purposes, which allows selecting a combat load that most fully corresponds to the flight objectives.

The use of the finished airframe, which is being developed in accordance with the new objectives of the project, led to the fact that in terms of size and weight, the new Mwari aircraft looks like the base AHRLAC. The length of the vehicle is 10,5 m, the wingspan is 12 m. The maximum height (parked) is 4 m. The aircraft is notable for its high weight perfection. The maximum take-off weight is 3,8 t, of which 800 kg is in service.

One of the objectives of the project AHRLAC / Mwari was to increase flight data to simplify operation in various conditions. Due to the large backward-swept wing, the aircraft can fly from sites not exceeding 550 m in length. The maximum speed in horizontal flight is 500 km / h. The ceiling is defined in 9,45 km. The maximum flight range is set at 2130 km. In the future, this parameter is expected to reach 3700 km. The efficiency of the engine and long range allow the technology not only to reach the specified areas, but also to carry out patrols for a long time.

In the existing configuration, the Mwari multi-purpose aircraft can be used in various operations in order to perform certain actions. High take-off and landing characteristics seriously expand the scope of application of technology, increasing the number of aerodromes that can be used. The available flight data makes it possible to go relatively quickly to the area of ​​combat work and remain there for some time. Such opportunities can be used both in the interests of intelligence and for a long presence in the area with the aim of fire support of ground units.



Mwari is a modern complex of optical-electronic equipment developed by the American company Boeing. This equipment can be used to monitor the terrain for reconnaissance purposes, as well as during the use of weapons. At the same time, an important feature of the new project is the preserved compatibility with outboard containers, which was present at the base reconnaissance aircraft. Thus, a new vehicle can become a scout with improved capabilities or use existing weapons more efficiently, even if at the cost of reducing ammunition.

The ability to carry a variety of guided and unguided weapons allows the operator to select the optimal ammunition in accordance with the goals. This fact, combined with the characteristic flight data, can make the Mwari aircraft a convenient means for participation in low-intensity conflicts, while the use of such technology in full-scale wars can be associated with a number of problems. In the case of counterguerrilla or other similar operations, search and destruction of representatives of armed formations, including those hiding with the use of any camouflage, is provided.

The low cost and certain potential in the context of counterguerrilla operations can make the new aircraft interesting for various developing countries. The need for such a technique exists in a number of South American and African states. In addition, due to financial constraints, other customers from other regions may also be interested in Mwari aircraft. The ability to adapt technology to customer requirements to a certain extent increases this potential development.

Last year, the Paramount Group and Boeing built and then put to test the first prototype of a promising multi-purpose combat aircraft. To date, all required tests have been completed, which allowed to proceed to the preparation of mass production. A few days ago, it was announced the start of assembly of serial machines. Due to this, potential customers can get new equipment in the near future. Information on signed contracts is not yet available, but news about the launch of mass production can say that such agreements already exist.

Relatively cheap multipurpose aircraft capable of solving reconnaissance missions and delivering strikes against ground targets are of great interest to many countries, which has already led to the emergence of a number of similar projects. Not so long ago, a new model of such an aircraft appeared on the international market, quite capable of regaining its place under the sun. The use of our own developments and the assistance of the American defense industry allowed South Africa to create a rather interesting sample of equipment that has all the chances to become the subject of new contracts. Whether the Mwari aircraft will be able to interest buyers, who exactly wants to buy such equipment, and what will be the volumes of its production - time will tell. Nevertheless, the project developers have every reason to look into the future with optimism.


On the materials of the sites:
http://paramountgroup.com/
http://airforce-technology.com/
http://militaryfactory.com/
http://warspot.ru/
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  1. +1
    27 February 2017 06: 44
    working ceiling of 30000-32000 feet (up to 5930 m)


    The vehicle is vulnerable to all types of MANPADS...both in speed and altitude...sad. crying besides, one engine is little protected from being hit by a projectile or large-caliber bullets ... it will save only the size of the aircraft ... tiddly which one will be difficult to get at a height of more than 1km.
    But to fight the Papuans armed with light small arms will do.
    1. +8
      27 February 2017 06: 55
      He, you will not believe, just to fight the "Papuans" and drug cartels.
      1. 0
        27 February 2017 06: 58
        He, you will not believe, just to fight the "Papuans" and drug cartels.
        smile

        He is a little expensive for such games ... drug lords can put out more bucks (buy MANPADS) for their partisans.
        1. +5
          27 February 2017 07: 12
          MANPADS are very difficult and expensive to get. It is easier for them to hold hostages in their plantations / plants.
      2. +2
        27 February 2017 09: 58
        It is expensive, to put it mildly. "Super Tucano" or Turkish "Hürkuş-C" will be cheaper, with twice as much payload - 1.5 tons. By the way, being an amateur, I sincerely do not understand why attack helicopters are needed at all, given their high cost and low speed, if there are such aircraft as "Tucano". No one has yet answered this question clearly. The ability to hover is important only when using landing helicopters. Such aircraft can easily replace attack helicopters.
        1. +7
          27 February 2017 11: 15
          Quote: xetai9977
          The possibility of hovering is important only when using landing helicopters.

          - “Apache” American is optimized specifically for working with a hang in a collision with a technically equipped enemy. And the supra-muzzle radar for such tactics is intended to start from hovering due to natural shelters.

          - In addition, when working in a semi-closed or closed area, as well as in settlements, it is quite difficult to choose a launch point for the target when using second-generation ATGMs, for example, “Helfaers” with a semi-active laser seeker. There, after all, it is necessary not only to launch, but also to highlight the target. Aircraft such as "Tucano" in this case will have big problems, they will either be forced to enter the zone of effective fire of heavy machine guns and zen. artillery. Well, or apply exclusively much more expensive third-generation ATGMs.

          - Aircraft such as "Tukano" are much more limited in their choice of airfields and "jump sites". Helicopters are much less capricious in this regard.
          1. 0
            27 February 2017 17: 59
            Thank you, dear Shovels. Although the questions remained. The high price of the 3rd generation ATGM in my opinion will be more than paid for by the much higher cost of attack helicopters and their equally high cost of operation, in my opinion.
          2. 0
            11 December 2017 16: 37
            You can work in pairs - one highlights on the barrage, the second launches a rocket and turns away. Then they change.
      3. 0
        27 February 2017 14: 51
        Quote: RussKamikadZE
        He, you will not believe, just to fight the "Papuans" and drug cartels.

        ====
        And you did not look at its price ??? 10-20 "lyam greens" (depending on configuration !!!)
        Maybe it’s easier to buy Mi-8 (171) ???? Everything will be EFFECTIVE !!!
    2. +4
      27 February 2017 08: 04
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The machine is vulnerable to all types of MANPADS ... both in speed and in height ... sadness.

      Remind me please, when was the last time a light attack aircraft of the "Tukanoclass" was struck by MANPADS?
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      besides, one engine is little protected from being hit by a projectile or large-caliber bullets ... it will save only the size of the aircraft ... tiddly which one will be difficult to get at a height of more than 1km.

      In any case, this aircraft, which, besides, has a high flight speed, is less vulnerable than a combat helicopter due to its design features (there is no tail boom with a tail rotor and the main propeller with a large swept area. But we are not going to refuse to accept combat helicopters , is not it?
      1. 0
        27 February 2017 08: 08
        Remind me please, when was the last time a light attack aircraft of the "Tukanoclass" was struck by MANPADS?


        smile Send him to the DONBASS region...it is clear that he will not live there for long.
        Toucans are good no doubt ... but again, you need to look at what enemy is opposing him ... and you can advertise a slingshot against flies with fanfare.
        1. +5
          27 February 2017 08: 12
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Send him to the Donbass region ... it is clear that he will not live there for a long time.

          Let's not compare the "gift of God with the fried eggs." No. Over the battlefield with strong military air defense, even the Su-25 are vulnerable. Although such a machine, at night, it could act over Donbas, especially since there is no continuous radar field there. And about the comparison with the "turntables", Olya is absolutely right! Yes
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Toucans are good no doubt ... but again, you need to look at what enemy is opposing him ... and you can advertise a slingshot against flies with fanfare.

          Those. You want to say that "Tukano" is more vulnerable than Mi-24?

          Quote: The same Lech
          But to fight the Papuans armed with light small arms will do.

          What did these colorful guys do to you? what
          1. 0
            27 February 2017 08: 15
            Those. You want to say that "Tukano" is more vulnerable than Mi-24?


            I want to say that it’s a cheap car for war, like a Kalash machine that you don’t mind losing and that can be riveted by hundreds is quite ideal for a war in the jungle against partisans ... for which it was made.
            1. +6
              27 February 2017 08: 26
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              I want to say that it’s a cheap car for war, like a Kalash machine that you don’t mind losing and that can be riveted by hundreds is quite ideal for a war in the jungle against partisans ... for which it was made.

              But do not talk about the high vulnerability of these machines No. Their survivability, in any case, is higher than that of helicopters, and operating costs and preparation time for a second sortie are much less.
              1. 0
                27 February 2017 11: 27
                Quote: Bongo
                and operating costs and preparation time for a second sortie are much less.

                This is if you do not take into account the costs of equipping field airfields. And if you consider, then economically the use of aircraft such as "Tucano" also does not particularly justify itself.
                1. +3
                  27 February 2017 15: 05
                  Quote: Spade
                  This is if you do not take into account the costs of equipping field airfields. And if you consider, then economically the use of aircraft such as "Tucano" also does not particularly justify itself.

                  The cost of preparing field airfields is negligible compared to the cost of servicing combat helicopters and jet fighters. This was clearly demonstrated by the series of special operations "Agatha" conducted in Brazil. In addition, for the same Mi-24 to which you appeal, prepared VVPs are also needed, did you really not know? request
                  1. +1
                    27 February 2017 16: 14
                    Quote: Bongo
                    The cost of preparing minuscule field airfields compared to the cost of servicing combat helicopters

                    I would not be so sure of this ... Especially if there is an active opposition on the part of those whom these planes are called upon to attack.

                    Not only that, I’m not sure that the cost of using modern "counterguerrilla" airplanes will be lower than the cost of "working" combat helicopters.
                    In the fight against terrorists in Iraq, the cost of an Apache flight hour turned out to be 3.851 dollar, of the MQ-9A shock drone, essentially an unmanned analogue of Mvari - 4.762 dollar.
                    These are the pies. With kittens.
                    1. +3
                      27 February 2017 16: 24
                      Quote: Spade
                      In the fight against terrorists in Iraq, the cost of an Apache flight hour turned out to be 3.851 dollar, of the MQ-9A shock drone, essentially an unmanned analogue of Mvari - 4.762 dollar.

                      Well, you compared! wassat
                      In one of my comments on this article, I provided active links to a number of publications on this topic, where everything is sorted out on shelves. If you want, take a look. I don’t see the point of wasting more time arguing. No. The experience of local conflicts and special operations has long been put in its place. hi
                      1. 0
                        27 February 2017 16: 34
                        Quote: Bongo
                        In one of my comments on this article, I provided active links to a number of publications on this topic, where everything is sorted out on shelves.

                        Nothing is "laid out" ...
                        For example, the experience of using supposedly cheap Ganships showed that the cost of one flight hour is the same as the flight hour of almost 12 Apaches
                        Everything turned out not so rosy, as described in the brochures.

                        The only option is to use as simple aircraft as possible, like the Bronco. Without all the electronic bells and whistles and more. Or machines like "Tsesna Combat Caravan", based on common civilian aircraft with virtually no alteration. If you do not use very expensive weapons, but confine yourself only to visual observation and guidance of aviation and artillery, then it really is economically viable. In all other cases, better combat helicopters.
              2. 0
                11 December 2017 16: 47
                The vitality of Tukano is higher than the vitality of Mi24 ??? Are you sure?
                1. +1
                  12 December 2017 02: 15
                  Quote: Vlad.by
                  The vitality of Tukano is higher than the vitality of Mi24 ??? Are you sure?

                  There are statistics of losses during the combat use of the A-29 Super Tukano and Mi-24. You can take and compare.
                  1. 0
                    12 December 2017 23: 54
                    Number of sorties / number of shelling from the ground / number of losses ???
                    What statistics?
                    1. +1
                      13 December 2017 05: 40
                      Quote: Vlad.by
                      What statistics?

                      The number of hours spent in the air in the combat zone in the network is.
            2. 0
              27 February 2017 09: 07
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              I want to say that it is cheap for war as a Kalash machine

              Here it is never cheap. For 10 cartoons, you can find a lot of much more serious things. Sometimes even new.
            3. 0
              27 February 2017 10: 47
              Judging by the set that is crammed into it to fight the “Papuans,” he certainly will not be very cheap. Flowing smoothly into the topic of security, it should be borne in mind that the defeat of the "glass cockpit" of the same American OV-10 Bronco is 50% of all downed aircraft of this type. One can only guess how protected glazing is from rifle and large-caliber rifle at Mvari. Following this, two pilots (probably) will be cheaper than the same full-size strike UAV.
          2. +1
            27 February 2017 09: 05
            What did these colorful guys do to you?


            Nothing for me... smile Yes, I have nothing personal against them.

            But there are persistent rumors that they cooked and ate with great pleasure more than one civilized tourist and missionary ... the white man’s meat, according to their beliefs, will give them the power of white people.
          3. +3
            27 February 2017 11: 25
            Quote: Bongo
            Those. You want to say that "Tukano" is more vulnerable than Mi-24?

            - The Mi-24 has a local reservation, the Tucano does not have it.
            - The Mi-24 is freer than the Tucano in choosing the approach path for the target.
            - The Mi-24, unlike the Tukano, is able to change the speed and direction of movement in a wider range, which complicates the work of machine gunners and gunners zen. artillery, in addition, the Mi-24 is able to keep its nose directed at the target longer, which not only allows it to fire longer, but also minimize the silhouette, again reducing the likelihood of being hit by heavy machine guns and small-caliber zen. artillery.
            1. +3
              27 February 2017 15: 10
              Quote: Spade
              Mi-24 has a local reservation; Tucano does not have it.

              Are you sure?
              Quote: Spade
              Mi-24 is more free than “Tukano” in choosing trajectories of approach to the target

              Why did it happen? Do not confuse the minimum speed and flight path, i.e. maneuverability. The “Tucano” maneuverability (range of angular velocity) is much higher
              Quote: Spade
              Mi-24, unlike the Tukano, is able to change the speed and direction of movement in a wider range, which complicates the work of machine gunners and gunners zen. artillery

              No! (see text above) Have you seen the Mi-24 on a combat course?
              Quote: Spade
              Mi-24 is able to keep its nose aimed at the target longer, which not only allows longer to fire on it
              Possible. what
              Quote: Spade
              but they also minimize the silhouette, again reducing the likelihood of being hit by heavy machine guns and small-caliber zen. artillery.

              The likelihood of hitting the Mi-24 on an equal footing with the Tucano is much higher, due to the large geometric dimensions and design features of the helicopter.
              1. 0
                27 February 2017 16: 18
                Quote: Bongo
                Why's that? Do not confuse the minimum speed and flight path.

                Or maybe we should talk about the turning radius in this case?

                Quote: Bongo
                No! Have you seen the Mi-24 on a combat course?

                Yeah, with one eye. They still burned the shisharik to the mortars.

                Quote: Bongo
                The likelihood of hitting the Mi-24 on an equal footing with the Tucano is much higher, due to the large geometric dimensions and design features of the helicopter.

                If you use the "Tukano" as a plane for kamikaze, and at the same time fire on it will be conducted only by the target.
            2. +1
              12 December 2017 02: 19
              Quote: Spade
              Mi-24 has a local reservation; Tucano does not have it.

              And for what amount are you willing to bet that this is not so?
              Everything else is also untrue. Dear Lopatov, I am a layman in artillery, but you are not too strong in aviation subjects either.
          4. 0
            27 February 2017 11: 54
            These are not Africans, but inhabitants of Oceania.
          5. +1
            27 February 2017 14: 54
            Quote: Bongo
            Although such a machine, at night could act on Donbas,

            =====
            That's just ONE question: "How long would it be" THERE "could ACT?
    3. +1
      27 February 2017 09: 05
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The machine is vulnerable to all types of MANPADS ... both in speed and in height ... sadness.

      I have news for you: a piston engine with a dead engine is a very bad target for MANPADS with TGSN - and now there are almost all of these.
      1. 0
        27 February 2017 09: 11
        dead engine piston machine - a very bad target for MANPADS


        Hmm...a slow-moving celestial thing flies past my nose and I diligently smear it...at night I'll still understand...but why during the day?
        what
        1. +3
          27 February 2017 09: 20
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Mdaa ... such a heavenly low-speed flies in front of my nose and I diligently smear it ... I still understand at night ... but during the day why.

          Do you have experience shooting from MANPADS? I assure you, this is not the easiest weapon to use, as is commonly believed among ordinary people. In the exercises, it was not always possible to hit unguided PC-132 which were used as a target. Although this rocket does not fly fast, it shines very well.
          1. 0
            27 February 2017 09: 29
            Do you have experience shooting from MANPADS?


            No, of course ... like there is no experience in firing intercontinental missiles ... I believe that such a weapon is trusted to a person only after passing through lengthy training procedures and passing exams smile ... I'll never be among them.
            Therefore, I rely mainly on the information that is available in the public domain.
            But in my conclusions I try to put myself on the side of the enemy ... well, for example, according to the experience of the Afghans, I would have awakened planes on take-offs and proven flight routes ... in addition, you can use several MANPADS gunners for one target ... which sharply increases the chances of shooting down a target .
            1. +4
              27 February 2017 10: 11
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              No, of course ... like there is no experience in firing intercontinental missiles ... I believe that such a weapon is trusted to a person only after passing through lengthy training procedures and passing exams

              To obtain minimally stable skills for using the Strela-2M MANPADS, you need only 2 weeks.
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              But in my conclusions I try to put myself on the side of the enemy ... well, for example, according to the experience of the Afghans, I would have awakened planes on take-offs and proven flight routes ... in addition, you can use several MANPADS gunners for one target ... which sharply increases the chances of shooting down a target .

              Look into the statistics of MANPADS use, the ratio of launches and downed aircraft/helicopters is approximately 10:1. In addition, this rather complex weapon requires regular qualified maintenance.
              1. +6
                27 February 2017 11: 33
                Quote: Bongo
                Take an interest in the statistics of the use of MANPADS, the ratio of starts and shot down planes / helicopters is approximately 10: 1.

                The main role of MANPADS is not to bring down the enemy aircraft. They are designed so that he does not become impudent, forced to use expensive guided ammunition instead of guns and NURS.
                This ratio of launches / defeats suggests that MANPADS were often used to scare off enemy aircraft and thwart an attack. In conditions when technically MANPADS were not able to hit the target.
                1. +5
                  27 February 2017 15: 13
                  Quote: Spade
                  This ratio of launches / defeats suggests that MANPADS were often used to scare off enemy aircraft and thwart an attack. In conditions when technically MANPADS were not able to hit the target.

                  Come on, why invent something? No. Tell this to the field commanders in Afghanistan who used MANPADS almost exclusively from ambushes and chopped heads for three misses in a row.
                  1. +1
                    27 February 2017 16: 21
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Tell this to the field commanders in Afghanistan who used MANPADS almost exclusively from ambushes and chopped heads for three misses in a row.

                    That's honestly, you took the figure 10: 1 from the statistics on the use of Soviet MANPADS by Syrians on Israeli aircraft, right?
                    And from what side is the Afghan dushmans here?

                    So
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Come on, why invent something?
                    1. 0
                      11 December 2017 20: 35
                      In Egypt there were more - 12/1. And what is this talking about?
                      Just fired with fear into the white light like a pretty penny.
                      I believe in Afghanistan and in Chechnya the ratio was different
              2. 0
                27 February 2017 13: 19
                Quote: Bongo
                Take an interest in the statistics of the use of MANPADS, the ratio of starts and shot down planes / helicopters is approximately 10: 1. In addition, this rather sophisticated weapon needs regular qualified maintenance.

                The complexity of the MANPADS design makes it easy to use.
                Maintenance of MANPADS is minimal and simpler than maintenance of AK.
          2. +2
            27 February 2017 13: 45
            Quote: Bongo
            In the exercises, it was not always possible to hit unguided RS-132 which were used as a target. Although this rocket does not fly fast, it shines very well.

            Any weapon is calculated according to a typical target. A typical target for MANPADS is a tactical fighter with dimensions of 10 x 15 m in plan. The RS-132 projectile is 0.13 m in diameter, 0.9 m in length, 0.3 m in wingspan. Compare areas, 150 m2 and 1.2 m2, two orders of magnitude difference.
            The speed of the RS-132 at the top of the trajectory is 250 m / s, on the descending branch up to 350 m / s, respectively 900 km / h and 1 km / h, these are the upper limits for tactical fighters, moreover, from 260 1 km / h there is already supersonic .
            Are you getting ready to fight with space interceptors?
            1. +1
              27 February 2017 15: 14
              Quote: Parsec
              Are you getting ready to fight with space interceptors?

              It was PC-132 that was the typical target during the training and control launches of Strela-2M in the 80-s.
      2. +2
        27 February 2017 09: 17
        Where did you find a piston engine in it? There is a turbojet engine there, just like in modern helicopters. In the IR range, it glows less than a turbojet engine, even a dual-circuit one, but it is quite sufficient for the MANPADS seeker.
        1. 0
          27 February 2017 12: 13
          Weed. Fucked with the engine. There is definitely a turbine.
  2. +4
    27 February 2017 07: 26
    In the basic configuration of the aircraft, pilots are invited to escape with parachutes, leaving the car on their own.

    With a pushing screw, suicide bombers.
    1. +1
      27 February 2017 07: 50
      And the heights of the likely use of the aircraft are not great. So and so die.
    2. 0
      27 February 2017 07: 53
      Quote: spech
      With a pushing screw, suicide bombers.

      There is such an impression. Who can dispel doubts?
      1. 0
        27 February 2017 08: 19
        There are hardly any people who will buy this plane without ejection seats. It is even economically unprofitable.
      2. +3
        27 February 2017 08: 22
        1. 0
          27 February 2017 09: 24
          Quote: Bongo
          Read (clickable).

          What does all this have to do with the danger of leaving "on your own" for an aircraft with a propeller?
          1. +3
            27 February 2017 10: 15
            Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
            What does all this have to do with the danger of leaving "on your own" for an aircraft with a propeller?

            Combat survivability with a pushing screw is even higher than with a pulling one, since the tail beams shield the engine. In addition, the pushing screw “blurs” hot exhaust fumes. And getting an injury incompatible with life is just as likely on a plane with a classic design, having encountered tail feathering in an emergency escape.
    3. +3
      27 February 2017 09: 22
      If they shoot down at low altitude, there is a suicide bomber without a catapult, there is no time to jump out and there may not be enough height to open the parachute. But unlike combat helicopters (except for the ka-50,52), you can put chairs in it. And this greatly increases the chance of getting alive in the boiler to the Papuans. wink
      1. 0
        1 March 2017 18: 27
        On our sports Su-26 catapults stood. Only the pilot pulls out of the cockpit (without a seat). If I remember correctly, the weight of this system (catapult) is 15 kg.
        On all low-flying planes and helicopters, such a system would not be superfluous.
        1. 0
          2 March 2017 12: 48
          The same one stands on ka-50, 52. And an additional option for this unit is full seats, I don’t know why maybe there isn’t a normal analogue of our “fireworks” laughingor maybe just the power of inertia of thinking.
  3. +4
    27 February 2017 08: 45
    The second article is not entirely clear. 4 days ago was already similar on the "news"
    1. +3
      27 February 2017 08: 52
      Quote: Old26
      The second article is not entirely clear. 4 days ago was already similar on the "news"

      Vladimir, welcome!
      That one was in the news section, and this one was written by a staff author of VO, and in more detail. Although, in my opinion, Kirill has a poor command of the topic of "counterinsurgency aviation".
  4. +2
    27 February 2017 09: 02
    The aircraft in the basic configuration will cost the customer $ 10 million. For the equipment in the most complete configuration will have to give twice as much. Despite this, the proposed multi-purpose aircraft can claim to be one of the cheapest military vehicles of its class in the world.

    It seems to me that the South Africans have greatly reduced their competitive advantages. According to VIKI, you can already find a crocodile for 12 million, and for 15 you can buy, say, a Yak-130 - a much more versatile aircraft with a four times greater combat load.
    1. +3
      27 February 2017 09: 17
      Quote: tchoni
      It seems to me that these South Africans have greatly reduced their competitive advantages.

      Most likely, this price includes a sophisticated PNRKS and a set of guided weapons. So for the American AT-6 and Brazilian "Supertucano" the cost of high-precision weapons, reconnaissance equipment and targeting and navigation system is also higher than the cost of the carriers themselves. It is also worth considering that the cost of operating a light counterinsurgency vehicle can be 10 times lower than the Yak-130. And this "dragonfly" can be based on any unpaved airfields.
      1. 0
        27 February 2017 12: 09
        I remember that the article says that 10 lyam is a basic option. Anything more interesting is more expensive.
        Quote: Bongo
        It is also worth considering that the cost of operating a light counterguerrilla machine can be 10 times lower than the Yak-130. And this "dragonfly" can be based on any unpaved airfields.

        But this can be argued. It is clear that almost 1000-strong piston engine will be less voracious than two turbojet engines of 2500 kgf. But, I'm sorry and the filling service is worth considering the same. If the components are American, then it is licensed.
    2. +2
      27 February 2017 09: 32
      This aircraft is assembled from American components. Which makes it quite an interesting offer for countries that, for various reasons, want or are obliged to use equipment close to NATO and the USA. Well, let's say the Mi-24 would be much more expensive in terms of operating costs than even a new Mi-24, let alone this small fry. The situation is the same with the Yak-130, plus the Yak, as a jet aircraft, has a much higher minimum flight speed, and this indicator is important for a counter-insurgency aircraft.
      1. 0
        27 February 2017 11: 34
        Yak -130 is a very versatile aircraft. Due to the high mechanization of the wing, it has a very wide range of operating speeds and, thanks to budget engines, has very good performance. It is not demanding on the quality of the strips (you can also fly from prepared soil if you wish - the chassis and air intakes allow this). I agree that, thanks to jet engines, it is a slightly more convenient target for MANPADS - yes, a big minus.
        1. +3
          27 February 2017 13: 56
          I hope that the Yak-130 will eventually adapt the target designation container T-220, for air-to-ground missiles. Use as a light bomber by analogy with the MiG-27 Kaira.
          1. 0
            27 February 2017 16: 20
            The Italians plan their version of the yak130 (and it was initially developed jointly with them) in general plan to equip the radar and use it as a light fighter. As far as I know, we have a version of a light attack aircraft with an ols.
  5. +6
    27 February 2017 09: 21
    Quote: tchoni
    It seems to me that these South Africans have greatly reduced their competitive advantages. According to VIKI, for 12 lyam you can already find a crocodile, and for 15 - buy, say. Yak-130 - the aircraft is much more versatile and with four times the payload.

    Yes, not reduced. For some reason, we immediately begin to put an equal sign between this machine and our SU-25 / YAK-130 / MI-24 ...
    But sometimes these machines are simply "redundant." So what if the country will have a pair of SU-25, as for example Niger. Indeed, in addition to owning the machine itself, an accompanying infrastructure is also needed. This South African IMHO is very easy to maintain. He sat on the site, a local and 0,5 classes of education refueled him, as he refueling cars at a gas station. Another couple of the same local dragged and picked up on pylons a certain type of missiles / NURS / bombs. And that’s all. Do not compare with the maintenance of jet engines in the SU-25 / YAK-130. There, at least, the service staff should have a ShMAS. And not always the same African or Latin American country needs ultramodern super-armed and super-armored vehicles. A theater of war there is such that MANPADS may be rare. And it's not a fact that it can be shot down just like that from MANPADS.
    Therefore, for certain countries and theater of operations, the machine is even nothing. I always remember the actions of our air defense during the passage of Rust. That, to go in front of the "Cessna" and the exhaust engines "beat" Rust to the Earth MIG-31 could. But here to stand on a par with "Cessna" and make her sit down - alas, the car is too redundant. By the way, then there was often talk that it would be nice to have a piston aircraft with similar characteristics as an interceptor.
    This machine is very personal for certain functions and terrain. Aiming systems will allow to strike without entering the zone of destruction of small arms. "insurgents" and no time to yank, as they will receive a volley of the same NURSs on the head
    1. +2
      27 February 2017 09: 42
      I don’t agree with the lack of qualifications of the technicians, the American komplektuha, rukozavsima. We are familiar with a 10-year-old pilot who flew off in Africa on a contract and said that any Negro could repair our equipment, but he needed a special one for the West. laughing
      Another thing is that this machine consumes less fuel, and the resource of the parts should be higher due to lower loads, in theory. This is what will provide savings against the background of the SU-25/Yak-130/MI-24.
    2. +3
      27 February 2017 10: 12
      You've laid it out correctly - this is a highly specialized technology, it will have its own tasks and the locals will develop tactics for its use. Cheap and cheerful. For example, to shoot down the same reconnaissance drone - well, let's practice from the ground or launch a Su-35 or something even bigger, a MiG-31 - and such a cart will cope with such a task perfectly.
    3. 0
      27 February 2017 16: 23
      About redundancy you are in vain. Where a crocodile is redundant for 12 evergreen lemons, a helicopter from a bombardier with a large-caliber and a thermal imager would fit in. For 2-4 lemons or transport and combat tsesna for 6. But not Moth for 10 lyam.
    4. 0
      13 December 2017 00: 26
      Rust any Mi-8 could beat air flow from the screw. And these Mi-8x on the flight path was at least ... chew. But ... there was no "man" with his fist on the table. So they raped, what they raped.
  6. +2
    27 February 2017 10: 08
    Quote: tchoni
    Yak-130 - the aircraft is much more versatile and with four times the payload.

    But will a yak take off from the primer? And how much will it cost a couple of hours to patrol it, and fuel, and service? And this one will take off and sit down from the rural airfield. In terms of economy, that's the thing. IMHO.
    1. 0
      27 February 2017 16: 25
      With primer take off. And on the prepared sit down and a kilometer-long strip to him an eye because he takes off from 600 meters. And he has only 190 landing and the air intake closes and the chassis is large, so as not to notice the bumps ....
  7. +2
    27 February 2017 21: 39
    The aircraft in the basic configuration will cost the customer $ 10 million. For the equipment in the most complete configuration will have to give twice as much. Despite this, the proposed multi-purpose aircraft can claim to be one of the cheapest military vehicles of its class in the world.

    Of course, I apologize, but for 20 million evergreen bucks you can buy a more interesting car.
    The same Americans from Textron associates are working on the Skorpion attack aircraft

    Combat load up to 2800 kg., The use of guided ammunition, including and a new generation, working heights beyond the reach of the MZA and MANPADS.
    1. +1
      28 February 2017 12: 32
      This dragonfly is a Swiss knife for the poor. It is designed for low cost of operation for those countries where the rest is redundant. It is undemanding to the quality of airfields, has a very common dviglo on the civilian side, a very low thermal signature (which for potential opponents with old MANPADS hardly makes it easy to operate at all), and a high-tech sighting system. The same scorpion is likely to be much more demanding on the quality of the bands, attendants, and it will be much more expensive to maintain. For reconnaissance and anti-guerrilla warfare, you can’t imagine any better, and usually these small states don’t need more.