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Super Hornets program will continue

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Boeing Corporation has begun to expand production capacity to build deck fighters F / A-18 Super Hornet, reports Warspot with a link to the resource bloomberg.com.

F / A-18E / F Super Hornet

“The Super Hornet deck fighter development and maintenance program was designed for 25 years - from 1995 to 2020 a year. However, new orders from Kuwait, Canada, as well as the United States Navy and USP, received in 2016-2017, allowed Boeing to extend the program until at least 2040, and also forced them to significantly expand production to fulfill the new contracts, ” - said in a statement.

At the end of last year, the Pentagon announced its intention to order the 70 "Super Hornets" to cover the "deficit of carrier-based fighters from the Navy and Marine Corps." However, today we are talking about more than a hundred aircraft due to the delay of the F-35C Lightning II program at least until the 2018 year.

According to Dan Gillian, the head of the division for the creation of combat aircraft of the Boeing Corporation, "the expansion of production capacity is carried out to produce a new modification of the fighter, dubbed the F / A-18 XT (Advanced Super Hornet)." This version is now considered by the Pentagon as a temporary replacement for the F-35C fighter.

Super Hornets program will continue
F / A-18 XT Advanced Super Hornet

Gillian also said that the US Navy ordered Boeing to upgrade the 568 Super Hornet fighters already in service. According to the resource, “the cost of the transaction is estimated at $ 2 billion and will extend the service life of the aircraft by one third (up to 9000 flight hours).”

Boeing Corporation’s F / A-18E / F Super Hornet Revenue Dynamics


The portal reminds that the Boeing F / A-18 Hornet fighters and their more modern F / A-18E / F Super Hornet fighters have been in service with the US Navy since 1983.
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boeing.com, bloomberg.com
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  1. cniza
    cniza 24 February 2017 15: 39
    +8
    Gillian also said that the US Navy ordered Boeing to upgrade the 568 Super Hornet fighters already in service.


    For a corporation, good business, but it hurts a lot of them.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 24 February 2017 15: 43
      +9
      Yes, it’s a lot. When people labeled with a wrecker were crushed, fenders built .. So we certainly can’t catch them quantitatively, and whether it is necessary .. Although the country is huge and the sky needs to be covered .. Yes and not only the sky .. It’s nice to listen to above the sound of airplanes almost every day over Kuban .. Before there was silence.
      Quote: cniza
      Gillian also said that the US Navy ordered Boeing to upgrade the 568 Super Hornet fighters already in service.

      For a corporation, good business, but it hurts a lot of them.
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 24 February 2017 15: 47
        +12
        Quote: cniza
        For a corporation, good business, but it hurts a lot of them.

        Quote: 210ox
        Yes, it’s a lot. When people labeled with a wrecker were crushed, fenders built .. So we certainly can’t catch them quantitatively, and whether it is necessary .. Although the country is huge and the sky needs to be covered .. Yes and not only the sky ..

        Vitya, Dima! My friends, remember the words of the legendary A.V.Suvorov: "It is necessary to fight not by number, but by skill!" !!! soldier
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 25 February 2017 09: 54
          +1
          Well yes ... easy to say, harder to do.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 25 February 2017 09: 57
            +4
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Well yes ... easy to say, harder to do.

            I advise you to recall: "It is difficult in learning - easy in battle" of the same A.V. Suvorov.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 25 February 2017 10: 10
              +2
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              I advise you to recall: "It is difficult in learning - easy in battle" of the same A.V. Suvorov

              The language of "grind" is not a wave of flail! (This does not apply to A.V. Suvorov ...)
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 25 February 2017 16: 07
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        It's nice to listen to the sound of airplanes from above almost every day over the Kuban .. Before there was silence

        As I understand it, you have never in your life thought that the country of 404 re-crossed Russia’s airspace and now ALL planes fly around 404 like a huge garbage pit.
        https://www.flightradar24.com/48.42,36.91/6 Вот поглядите, много ли над территорией 404 Российских самолётов?
        1. Alex_Tug
          Alex_Tug 25 February 2017 20: 46
          0
          How many 404 Russian planes are over the territory?
          Who is worse off? We do not pay Ukraine for dispatch services. No one's planes fly over Ukraine, Old Man Lukashenko does not count.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 26 February 2017 15: 37
            0
            Quote: Alex_Tug
            We do not pay Ukraine for dispatch services.

            And the moment that passengers pay for the flight of every ten kilometers is the little things in life. And the flight time is longer. Is not it so?
            1. Alex_Tug
              Alex_Tug 27 February 2017 06: 00
              0
              passengers pay for the flight of every ten kilometers

              Do you agree to be hit by an APU on a plane? Or pay an extra $ 20? You decide.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 27 February 2017 11: 14
                0
                Quote: Alex_Tug
                Do you agree to be hit by an APU on a plane?

                A lot of time has passed, but so far no one knows exactly who the Boeing was shot down by.
                1. Alex_Tug
                  Alex_Tug 27 February 2017 12: 17
                  0
                  no one knows for sure who the Boeing was shot down by.
                  Whoever shot down doesn’t need to fly over the territory where the GA war is going on. The first complaint against Ukraine is that international routes in the war zone were not closed. The rest does not matter - the rocket will not be disassembled civilian or military side. He speaks only about one thing - Ukraine wanted to earn grandmothers before the bloody moment.
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 27 February 2017 13: 45
                    0
                    Which she did. And she cut down the grandmothers and brought down her problem on us.
                    1. Alex_Tug
                      Alex_Tug 27 February 2017 13: 57
                      0
                      the problem fell on us
                      Problems like image? Does it bother you? Relatives will demand money from Ukraine anyway. For the court, some animations of the Norman commission will not work.
                      1. Ezhaak
                        Ezhaak 27 February 2017 14: 30
                        0
                        It excites. Everything goes to hang everything, namely on Russia. And personally, I’m not interested. I need facts, but they are not.
                2. Alex_Tug
                  Alex_Tug 27 February 2017 12: 45
                  0
                  who was shot down that Boeing
                  Formally, I can say the US missile defense from Poland. Moreover, the states did not provide any information to the Incident Investigation Commission. Weakly such an option?
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 27 February 2017 13: 44
                    0
                    Russia with its radars is silent about this. It would have been demonstrated long ago. Who speaks about it - lies.
                    1. Alex_Tug
                      Alex_Tug 27 February 2017 14: 33
                      0
                      Russia provided data from radars. This is the Dutch can not "open files."
                      1. Ezhaak
                        Ezhaak 27 February 2017 16: 25
                        0
                        I am also aware of this. Continuing is pointless. Empty talk. I agree with the drug.
    2. maxim947
      maxim947 24 February 2017 16: 16
      +8
      Beautiful infection
      1. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 24 February 2017 17: 25
        +5
        Nice. I agree. If Boeing won a tender for a 5th generation airplane, I think we could cry now. And do not laugh at Lokhidovskim iron ... By the way, their project was really interesting.
        1. sir_obs
          sir_obs 24 February 2017 19: 05
          +1
          that's for sure.
          I don’t remember one of our testers, said that the flight capabilities of the aircraft are comparable to 29 instantly,
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 24 February 2017 20: 25
            +3
            The F-16 was chosen by the Air Force, and the F / A-18 by the Navy. Therefore, his resources are higher than those of the MiG-29. They went into the army almost simultaneously. MiG had greater speed, was better in close combat. F-16 in this regard is better than F-18. It seems that they were written off early - like a big order is also planned for the F-16. F-18 weighted from 10 to 13-odd tons, the engines give out already under 10 tons. afterburner each instead of 8. The range of ammunition is huge, the electronics are perfect. But the speed data is no different. If a full-fledged MiG-35 with OVT appears, then the F-16 and F-18 in melee have nothing to catch. Well, the F-18 is a little expensive of course, like all of America. cars. The best deal is the F-16 for 70 mil. hi
            1. Alex_Tug
              Alex_Tug 25 February 2017 10: 30
              0
              If a full-fledged MiG-35 with OVT appears, then the F-16 and F-18 in melee have nothing to catch.
              F-18 in the military doctrine of the states is hardly considered for the fight against the MIG-35.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 25 February 2017 20: 32
                +1
                F-18 for the Navy, i.e. deck, with a reinforced fuselage (so I write that the resources are higher). And we saw the MiG-29K on the deck of the Admiral Kuznetsov in Syria - there is no lighter fighter in the Russian Air Force, therefore, the MiG-35 will most likely be a deck for promising aircraft carriers. hi
                1. Alex_Tug
                  Alex_Tug 25 February 2017 20: 43
                  0
                  MiG-35 is likely to be a deck for promising aircraft carriers.
                  Considering how much an aircraft carrier is being built in time, a new generation of fighters will appear earlier. Or can be designed in parallel.
        2. maxim947
          maxim947 24 February 2017 21: 02
          +2
          I agree. In general, their planes have a brutal look, but the ships in my opinion are ugly
          1. Voyager
            Voyager 24 February 2017 23: 57
            +2
            One of the most successful aircraft they have, I think. The sad news is specifically for us, because a serious opponent.
        3. jonhr
          jonhr 24 February 2017 23: 45
          0
          x-32 that little freak was more interesting?)))) you came down from what cactus. there one could cry with tenderness only
          1. Voyager
            Voyager 24 February 2017 23: 55
            +2
            You confuse the X-32 with the YF-23, it was about the latter. As a child, I had a toy model of such an aircraft, the design is unforgettable. By the way, the T-50 has a lot in common with him.

            1. jonhr
              jonhr 25 February 2017 00: 00
              +1
              Well this is the creation of Northrop Grumman. Boeing, as it were, has nothing to do with it.
              and it’s really cool
  2. 210ox
    210ox 24 February 2017 15: 40
    +2
    This "hornet" still flies .. The fat man of the 35th still has to bring to mind and bring. Not in the sense of cut (zadolbal already about the same thing), but in technical terms.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 24 February 2017 19: 21
      +1
      210 shackles

      This is the cut. Overstating the quality of the project, the customer receives the right amount. wink

      The project should not end as long as possible.
  3. Maz
    Maz 24 February 2017 15: 40
    +4
    A successful machine, it’s possible to rivet, assemble, build, but in the end it turns out nonsense uncomfortable, capricious, not reliable, but it happens that God puts and runs into your ears, it’s time to rush to rest, and you go ... just like twenty-first Migar or Kalash. Even the Jews can’t really copy, either they get a galil, or an automatic carbine with a return for an elephant. Well done Americans - there is gunpowder in the buttocks.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 24 February 2017 16: 09
      +6
      Quote: Maz
      A successful machine, it’s possible to rivet, assemble, build, but in the end it turns out nonsense uncomfortable, capricious, not reliable, but it happens that God puts and runs into your ears, it’s time to rush to rest, and you go ... just like twenty-first Migar or Kalash. Even the Jews can’t really copy, either they get a galil, or an automatic carbine with a return for an elephant. Well done Americans - there is gunpowder in the buttocks.

      Maz, what are you writing in your hands then holding? You are our unfortunate.
      1. Banishing liberoids
        Banishing liberoids 24 February 2017 16: 26
        +1
        Aaron hi - man believes every word lol and you suddenly decided to break his stereotype lol You do not know how to copy Mig21! !!! lol
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 24 February 2017 17: 21
          +6
          Everyone who has a flag with a Star of David above their head has a lot to learn:
          “Do not give to your brother growth neither silver nor bread nor anything else that you can give to growth, give to a foreigner to growth, but do not give your brother to growth” (Deuteronomy 23:19).

          "... and you will lend to many nations, but you yourself will not borrow [and you will dominate many nations, but they will not dominate you.]" (Deuteronomy 28: 12)

          "Then the sons of the foreigners will build your walls, and their kings - to serve you ... the people and kingdoms who do not want to serve you - will perish, and such peoples will be completely destroyed." (Isaiah 60: 10-12).
          1. Arameev
            Arameev 25 February 2017 17: 41
            0
            Quote: yuriy55

            “Do not give to your brother growth neither silver nor bread nor anything else that you can give to growth, give to a foreigner to growth, but do not give your brother to growth” (Deuteronomy 23:19).
            "... and you will lend to many nations, but you yourself will not borrow [and you will dominate many nations, but they will not dominate you.]" (Deuteronomy 28: 12)
            "Then the sons of the foreigners will build your walls, and their kings - to serve you ... the people and kingdoms who do not want to serve you - will perish, and such peoples will be completely destroyed." (Isaiah 60: 10-12).

            yuriy55 why not give quotes? not good, oh ... for example, the first of those given in the original sounds like this: “19 Don’t give your brother growth silver or bread or anything else that you can give growth; 20 give the foreigner the height, and give your brother "Do not give yours to growth, so that the Lord your God bless you in everything that is done by your hands, on the earth into which you go to possess it." The meaning of the text is that already existed in the world the custom to take interest, and the Jews, when they enter the "promised land" should not do as usual with surrounding peoples. But not because it is essentially an immoral phenomenon (give it to a foreigner who came to ask for money from you), but to maintain special fraternal relations among the Jewish people (even an ordinary Russian citizen is unlikely to demand interest from his brother). God promises to compensate for the lost profit (a type of loss) by saying that "he will bless you in everything that is done by your hands."
            In this way, the Almighty does not say: “Let us grow and you will enslave the nations”, but says: “Regarding your brothers, do not do what other nations do, and so you will be blessed.” There are no ideas of "usurious expansion" in the Bible !!! ©
    2. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 24 February 2017 17: 27
      +1
      But Galilo has an opener)))
    3. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 24 February 2017 17: 27
      0
      But Galilo has an opener)))
      1. commbatant
        commbatant 25 February 2017 06: 26
        0
        And I like the Galil assault rifle, I consider it the best AK variant, because "Galil" was created on the basis of Finnish Valmet Rk 62 (a copy of AK) and eliminated all the shortcomings of the AK, I don’t understand why ours, for example, do not do a rear mechanical sight on the receiver (however, the caliber sight was placed exactly in its rear part, which means that it was originally correct finnish technical solution, on our AKs this has never happened).
        Finnish Valmet Rk 62 (copy AK)

        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rk._62
        https://topwar.ru/19932-ak-12-pridumali-v-izraile
        -obzor-avtomata-galil-ace.html (article about him in VO)

        I would buy a receiver and a front mechanical sight from Valmet Rk 62 for my Saiga
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 25 February 2017 09: 03
          0
          Read the comments of the Israelites about the sight on the lid ...
          1. commbatant
            commbatant 25 February 2017 11: 30
            0
            where to read?
            1. commbatant
              commbatant 25 February 2017 11: 44
              0
              of the comments of the Israelites did not say anything about mechanical sights on Galil
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 25 February 2017 12: 19
              +1
              The lid inevitably comes loose from vibration, and Galil "mowed" to the right or left.
              A rigid cover installation is not an easy task.
              This problem has been radically solved on the Israeli Tavor: the trunk and the picatini bar are a single factory part. Accuracy is maximum. But this makes the weapon stagger, as it is technologically and structurally (assembly) everything is complicated.
              1. commbatant
                commbatant 25 February 2017 12: 58
                0
                in my case it turns out only - a rigid installation of the cover (and this is probably only in the factory conditions of the manufacturer or just in the factory?)
  4. Teberii
    Teberii 24 February 2017 15: 43
    0
    F-35 as a new aircraft project fails, you have to get out.
    1. Kyzmich
      Kyzmich 24 February 2017 20: 15
      +2
      Absolutely right.
      They with their F-35 slowed down the production of new F-18s.
      As a result, they still haven’t received F-35s, but with F18 they’ve got a "hole" in terms of resources, which is very dangerous for the Navy.
  5. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 24 February 2017 15: 47
    +1
    Please correct the title, otherwise it is not clear what they want to do with f18, eat, give to ukroine, or dispose of belay
  6. Zubr
    Zubr 24 February 2017 16: 15
    +1
    Quote: cniza
    Gillian also said that the US Navy ordered Boeing to upgrade the 568 Super Hornet fighters already in service.

    For a corporation, good business, but it hurts a lot of them.


    Well, as you would like, the basis of Navy carrier-based aviation. And the car turned out very successful.
  7. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 24 February 2017 18: 12
    +1
    Correct solution. The trend is that the main fighters of the world in the next 20 years will be 4-plus-plus generation fighters. And only the most advanced dozen countries will slightly dilute their Air Force with 5-minus-minus fighters, however, they are used very limitedly, since the cost of their manufacture and operation exceeds any reasonable numbers.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 February 2017 21: 57
      +1
      "The trend is that the main fighters of the world in the next 20 years will be 4-plus-plus generation fighters" ////

      I don’t think so. Demand for 4 ++ will fall sharply. So it was with the transition from 3rd to 4th. Suddenly a panic begins - to stay with outdated aviation! belay - and abruptly rush to the next generation ...
      1. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 24 February 2017 23: 10
        +1
        Airplanes costing more than $ 100 million apiece are a luxury available to units of powers. There will be a panic, there will be no money.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 February 2017 01: 30
          +2
          So 4 ++ planes also for 100 million apiece. Both Eurofighter and Rafal went beyond 100.
          Indian auditors say that even the Su-30 with the inevitable and regular replacements of both of their engines cost the Air Force the same 100 million.
          In this regard, a single-engine F-35 with an economical dual-circuit engine and price
          98 million will be cheaper.
          1. commbatant
            commbatant 25 February 2017 06: 40
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            So 4 ++ planes also for 100 million apiece. Both Eurofighter and Rafal went beyond 100.
            Indian auditors say that even the Su-30 with the inevitable and regular replacements of both of their engines cost the Air Force the same 100 million.
            In this regard, a single-engine F-35 with an economical dual-circuit engine and price
            98 million will be cheaper.


            Where does such data come from Dear?

            This year, the US Audit Chamber said that if the F-35 procurement program for the country's air force is continued, 459 aircraft will require more than the currently planned $ 83,4 billion. If we take this amount into account, then the official cost of producing one copy will be $ 180 million. Lockheed Martin, an F-35-based corporation, says it’s ready to reduce the cost of one aircraft up to $ 85 million, however, under one condition: with an increase in the number of orders.

            https://russian.rt.com/article/59781
            http://www.interface.ru/home.asp?artId=36660
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 25 February 2017 09: 08
              0
              the price of 85 million is without an engine .... so it was in an American article. hi
            2. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 25 February 2017 09: 10
              0
              And at the expense of whom will there be a sharp increase in orders? There are so many orders, any manufacturer is jealous ...
            3. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 25 February 2017 11: 44
              +1
              The Pentagon bought the last batch of aircraft at 98 million apiece, including the engine. Moreover, at full capacity - 18-20 pieces per month, the plant according to the plan should go at the beginning of 2019. At full power, Lockheed will pay for all R&D expenses and the aircraft will become profitable.
            4. HAPA
              HAPA 25 February 2017 16: 19
              +1
              Quote: commbatant
              Where does such data come from Dear?
              This year, the US Audit Chamber said that if the F-35 procurement program for the country's air force is continued, 459 aircraft will require more than the currently planned $ 83,4 billion. If we take this amount into account, then the official cost of producing one copy will be $ 180 million. Lockheed Martin, the F-35-based corporation, says it is ready to reduce the cost of one aircraft to $ 85 million, but on one condition: with an increase in the number of orders.

              What year is this ???

              and what is so surprising that the life cycle for 40-50 years is worth so much? That's how much money is needed to operate an ordinary car even for 20-30 years?
              But if you look at the contract for 2018
              F-35 Costs:
              The Lot 10 (90 F-35) contract represents a $ 728 million reduction in total price when compared to Lot 9. The approximate per variant unit prices, including jet, engine and fee are as follows:

              F-35A: $ 94.6 million (7.3% reduction from Lot 9)
              this is including the engine.
              https://www.f35.com/news/detail/agreement-reached
              -on-lowest-priced-f-35s-in-program-history
              1. Alex_Tug
                Alex_Tug 25 February 2017 20: 51
                0
                That's how much money is needed to operate an ordinary car even for 20-30 years?
                This truck can ride for 20 years, and the car becomes obsolete in 3 years as a tribute to fashion. It’s easier not to buy, but to lease. Return after 3 years and take another in fashion. (so far for Russia it is wild).
          2. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 25 February 2017 08: 03
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Indian auditors say that even the Su-30 with the inevitable and regular replacements of both of their engines cost the Air Force the same 100 million.

            Hedgehogs cried, but stubbornly continued to gnaw a cactus.
            This is about the Indians.
            Why did they remember the Hornets after the Red Flag?
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 25 February 2017 11: 47
              +2
              Because the F-35S has not yet received the status of initial combat readiness (unlike A and B). But something needs to be updated for naval aviation.
            2. HAPA
              HAPA 25 February 2017 16: 12
              0
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Indian auditors say that even the Su-30 with the inevitable and regular replacements of both of their engines cost the Air Force the same 100 million.

              Hedgehogs cried, but stubbornly continued to gnaw a cactus.
              This is about the Indians.
              Why did they remember the Hornets after the Red Flag?

              And what does the F-35C and Red flag have to do with it? How is this related?
              We always talked about hornts, but so far there are no large orders from the US Navy, because their price is also not very cheap. 2017 million ha units in 98. But if Trump fulfill the communication for 1 extra. then the aircraft carrier will certainly purchase
      2. Voyager
        Voyager 24 February 2017 23: 56
        0
        Fall sharply, but not soon.
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 25 February 2017 09: 05
        0
        Looking forward to a series of regional conflicts involving F-35? How was it with the F-16 and F-15 against the MiG-21/23?
        1. commbatant
          commbatant 25 February 2017 11: 49
          0
          It remains only on the fingers to count who at that time will be in service with the Su-30, -34 and MiG-35 ...
          So the check zone of your favorite F-35s will be small, tea is not the USSR ...
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 27 February 2017 07: 45
            0
            Well, you can still add Chinese cars of the 4th generation, Mirage-2000.
  8. fa2998
    fa2998 24 February 2017 18: 36
    0
    Something Americans began to get involved in conformal additional tanks. F-15,16, now also 18. Aerodynamics are not spoiled, they do not occupy a place under the wing, but the range is significantly increased. Ours do not think to try?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 25 February 2017 09: 06
      +1
      Look how the MiG-29 differs from the MiG-29SMT / 35 ... there is an integrated tank added behind the cab ...
  9. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 25 February 2017 00: 27
    0
    Project F-35 stalled due to the high cost and unimportant characteristics of the aircraft. Old proven machines are more reliable, so the Pentagon orders already proven equipment.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 February 2017 11: 54
      +1
      Stalls marine option - F-35C. The rest have reached initial combat readiness and are saturated with the Air Force and Marine Corps. F-35A is about to appear on American bases in Europe.
      The sailors say they need stealth, but in the beginning, each aircraft carrier will have a part of the F-18 and part of the F-35.
      "and not important characteristics of the aircraft" ///
      His characteristics as a drummer far exceed the characteristics of existing models. But to gain superiority in the air and as an interceptor, it is of little use.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 27 February 2017 07: 46
        0
        the professors banned again? gone ...
  10. Operator
    Operator 25 February 2017 01: 38
    0
    What I said - the arctic fox Lokmartu + "Penguin" came to replace the Boeing + "Advanced Super Hornet."

    Good USA divorced Israel with "Penguins" laughing
  11. Alex_Tug
    Alex_Tug 27 February 2017 14: 39
    0
    Quote: Hedgehog
    It excites. Everything goes to hang everything, namely on Russia. And personally, I’m not interested. I need facts, but they are not.
    You can hang at least on the Martians. But Ukraine will be brought to trial. Their territory did not block the airspace.