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Syrian land has become a testing ground for ideas, concepts and weapons from the world's largest manufacturers. For military leaders and designers to check the news in the case - the opportunity is rare and especially valuable.

A comparison of the Russian and American weapons of the ground forces in terms of their nominal effectiveness (“Technique on the verge of uselessness”), of course, is lame. But the comparison of weapons and military equipment in real combat conditions serves as a starting hot spot for developers and their potential customers.



Syria, as well as Iraq, flows weapons from all over the world. It is supplied to the government army, transferred to the “moderate opposition”, it is bought by the Islamic State, which is prohibited in Russia, and Hezbollah and the Kurdish militia are reserved for them. Here you can find Chinese Yongshi army vehicles and HJ-8 ATGMs, French mines and land mines, Israeli missiles, Canadian sights, and Belgian machine guns.

But the main characters of this “exposition” are Russian and American defense companies. Their place of world leaders in the field of weapons development and their role in the Syrian conflict also oblige this. In addition, Russian and American weapons attract the close attention of the world press to themselves also because the rating positions of both the first and second are being revised.

For the "Blind" like a stone wall

The American Abrams are involved in the fight against jihadists by Iraq. The American car in this region, having jumped over sixty tons, feels confident. Solid soils hold well, and natural obstacles here are too few to impede movement.

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"Abrams" almost no rivals, because the IS militants, although they have a certain number of trophy tanksbut still try to protect them. But there are enough opponents - in addition to the traditional RPGs, the arsenals of the warring parties also have modern anti-tank missile systems: Chinese, Russian and actually American.

“Abrams” in this war are burning brightly, being beaten up by their own ATGM and products of competing manufacturers. Still, the thirty-year trampling of American tank-building thought affects old-fashioned tanks, a banal increase in the mass of armor does not respond to the challenges that have arisen in the 21st century.

The Russian military industry in Syria is far from being represented by a single MBT model. Here and T-72 in a variety of export versions, and even the Soviet medium tanks T-62, T-55, T-54. But fame was destined to the already famous T-90. The media scattered widely as T-90 was holding an anti-tank missile strike, presumably TOW-2A, whose tandem warhead, specially designed to combat dynamic defense, could not hit a tank equipped with a rather old DZ Kontakt-5.

The Shtora-1 active defense complex also shows itself well, taking away the missiles of such obsolete anti-tank systems like TOW, HOT, Fagot. Those T-90, which we see in Syria, are far from the latest models, but they also cope with their task. This tank was born for our forests - with a mass of just 46,5 tons and the ability to take a nearly two-meter ford with short training, it reveals itself best of all in the Russian plain, but it also feels good in arid Syria.

He would also have the appropriate crews, and then the Syrians who have undergone an accelerated course, often do not differ either in discipline or training.

The traits of weak training are inherent in both the Assad army and the Iraqi formations that saddle the American Abrams. Tanks often find themselves alone, even without infantry cover, as a result of which they die as predictably.

Well, is not it nonsense?

M2 Bradley feels similar to Abrams from being in the Middle East. If you recall, they created it as a response to the Soviet BMP-1 to stop the red hordes rushing to Western Europe. Since then, "Bradley" seriously gained weight, while the designers tried to protect it by covering the aluminum case with armor plates. As a result, the combat vehicle noticeably lost in maneuverability and lost the ability to overcome water obstacles on the move. But in Iraq it is not critical.

In terms of the protection of the “Bradley”, of course, the machine is obsolete and, when meeting with a motivated opponent, it is unlikely to fulfill its tasks. Any modern and not very RPG is flashing her armor in the forehead and in the side. It is good when the IG fighters have few.

Our BMP-3, which appeared in Syria, didn’t go far from their American counterparts in defense. That is why we a few years ago attended to the development of the project "Kurganets-24". However, the BMP-3 gives the Bradley a hundred points handicap in firepower. In addition to the 100-mm cannon-launcher and the 30-mm automatic guns paired with it, our machine is armed with one machine gun in the turret and two coursework with separate control. There are also loopholes for assault weapons. The American machine of weapons only 25-mm gun and 7,62-mm machine gun, and the side embrasures were closed in modifications 80-s.

A larger number of firing points of the BMP-3 is well suited for suppressing a weakly reinforced enemy, when the landing party may not leave its squad. Just what you need to fight the militants.

Stuck in iraq

It would seem that in the clashes with lightly armed terrorists, combat vehicles of the Stryker family — the only new development for the US ground forces over the past three decades — would have shown themselves well.

Unlike the heavy and clumsy "Abrams" and "Bradley", "Strykers" are notable for their mobility, which, together with excellent communication capabilities and prompt response of the American army, should have been a decisive factor in the fight against jihadists. But something about these machines is not audible at all. The point, probably, is that Stryker is ambiguous. His bulletproof defense turned out to be completely inadequate, and after reinforcing the reservation, mobility was seriously reduced, the equipment began to get bogged down even in Iraqi soil.

Despite the wide range of machines on a common base, even the Stryker infantry combat vehicle is inferior to our last BTR armor. What is no wonder, if you have a machine gun as the main and only caliber.

This series was created in many ways in order to have a combat vehicle that would be livable for the Hercules aircraft, and for this opportunity, Striker is forgiven for much, even its indecent cost.

Because of such contradictory qualities, the Americans themselves struggle to fight in their cars, and transferring them to the Iraqis is the same as throwing them away.

But Russian armored personnel carriers in Syria showed their best. In addition to the BTR-80, two years ago they began to run around the BTR-82А, armed with a 30-mm cannon and an 7,62-mm machine gun paired with it. This armored personnel carrier is really smart and does not require discounts on the nature of the soil. The increased parameters of anti-bullet and anti-shatter protection do not make it invulnerable to RPG shots, but make the crew feel confident in fights with lightly armed terrorists.

The difference between the American army and the Russian army in the 21st century was the active use of armored vehicles as a means of transporting infantry directly to the combat zone. Now we have got promising armored vehicles that promise to grow into a whole family called “Typhoon”. Technique only last year finished the last tests for the bombing and shooting, and now already lit up in Syria. It seems that it delivers cargo in "safe" areas. This confirms the view of the future use of "Typhoon" as a truck, but with excellent anti-mine and anti-bullet protection. In the immediate combat zone, it is still preferable to move on an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle.

The best advertisement of Russian weapons will be the fact that it will be with them that the government forces will win over the IG plague. Want to cope with external threats - buy Russian.

But the image is not the most valuable that is extracted from this campaign. We are learning to fight in new conditions and adapt equipment to them, making it universal and truly effective.

This is perhaps the most important thing that the Russian army can take out of the Syrian conflict.
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  1. +8
    25 February 2017 06: 32
    War is the best test for man and machine, Spirit and matter.
    1. +2
      25 February 2017 08: 23
      When the company began, I argued with a colleague on the site about the appropriateness of using old ammunition. He argued that it was necessary to get rid of them and the use of modern systems was expensive and not justified there .. Of course, you also need to get rid of old stuff, but the war shows who was right.
      Quote: cedar
      War is the best test for man and machine, Spirit and matter.
      1. +11
        25 February 2017 17: 18
        I didn’t understand why you consider yourself right ... Recently, in the National Interest magazine there was a laudatory article for our Su25 there was data on the use of ammunition, an American analyte with poorly concealed envy indicated that "primitive" ammunition of the type used in 99,2% of the barmalei bombing The "iron" was made with high accuracy and indicated that the American coalition with such intensity as the Russian airstrikes would have long run out of money for precision weapons.
        You can look at the article on INOSMI.
        1. SSR
          +1
          26 February 2017 22: 43
          Quote: biznaw
          I didn’t understand why you consider yourself right ... Recently, in the National Interest magazine there was a laudatory article for our Su25 there was data on the use of ammunition, an American analyte with poorly concealed envy indicated that "primitive" ammunition of the type used in 99,2% of the barmalei bombing The "iron" was made with high accuracy and indicated that the American coalition with such intensity as the Russian airstrikes would have long run out of money for precision weapons.
          You can look at the article on INOSMI.

          Well, apparently, you yourself did not really delve into Komrad)))
          The American complains that they make their every bomb smart, stuffed with expensive electronics, optics and every time it is destroyed forever .... and the insidious Russians equipped the aircraft with a smart device that every time allows you to drop stupid bombs ... without destroying the expensive stuffing .. . and the building is roofing felts Hermes 24 roofing felts Hephaestus 24))) I constantly confuse.
    2. +1
      26 February 2017 13: 47
      The author is not very in the subject, it seems. Stryker is not an American development, but a licensed Swiss Piranha 3. Like LAV-25 at one time - this is Piranha 1.
      They have not done their new thing in the states for a long time. Even the light-medium truck range is licensed Austrian Steyrs.
  2. +11
    25 February 2017 06: 41
    The conclusion of the article is correct regarding experience, but the image is also a very valuable thing, especially in our information age. The war in Syria is a war of technology and Russian technology looks very convincing.
  3. +5
    25 February 2017 06: 47
    The strength of the Yankees in the dollar. The rest is bullshit. The truth is bullshit, they have a lot. They can fill up with iron.
    1. +5
      25 February 2017 19: 01
      Only now the ATGM TOW 2 turned out, in fact, by no means a bullshit product of the American defense industry.
      1. 0
        26 February 2017 23: 44
        it was created during the Cold War, unlike the "Javelins"
  4. +4
    25 February 2017 06: 54
    For military leaders and designers to check the latest in business is a rare and especially valuable opportunity.
    Not only new items flock there, but also “oldies”:
    Redfish Trading Company declares its readiness to “immediately” deliver air defense systems (illustrated by a snapshot of a machine with B-601 missiles from the S-125M air forces of Peru), four new Mi-171E helicopters (already surfaced on the market), repaired combat helicopters Mi-24, 15 of former German anti-tank helicopters MBB (Eurocopter) Bo-105P, AK-47 assault rifles (from the presence of the Romanian army), AKM, AK-74 and AK-104 (the latter are “Russian-made new from the factory”), 100 machine guns "Cord" caliber 12,7 mm Russian production 2016-2017 years, 50 Croatian MLRS RAK to 128 mm gauge, rockets for the 122-mm MLRS BM-21 Grad (in the amount of “1000 pieces per month”), barrels for 125-mm tank guns 2A46 and 2A46M, 14.5-mm anti-aircraft mounts ZPU-XN-XN-XN-XN-XN-XN-XN-XN-XN , RPG-2, RPG-4 (!), Mortars, various rifle, grenade and mortar ammunition of the Soviet model.

    A separate list includes 22 T-72М1 tanks (after repair), 18 T-72A tanks (with dynamic protection), 120 T-72A tanks (after repair), 35 T-55 tanks (after repair), 20 BMP-1, 100 BRDM-2.

    In November 2016 of the year, the Redfish Trading Company announced the offer of four Mi-24В helicopters and two Mi-24D, 15 Su-25 attack aircraft after repair, as well as eight "new" Su-25K and Su-25UBK aircraft. Judging by the photographs, the Su-25 helicopters and “repair” were offered from the Bulgarian Air Force storage, and in the case of the “new” Su-25K and Su-25UBK, we are talking about the proposed sale of the Georgian Air Force,
    Source: http://bmpd.livejournal.com/

    Surely, a lot of this will turn out to be in the BV, and with all the warring parties. After all, "money does not smell."
  5. +5
    25 February 2017 08: 13
    Paradoxically, the Syrian misfortune bears fruit to our defense industry and beyond. And in the shower, it’s all the same, as it’s not comfortable, but where to go, since there is an opportunity to experience the technique as intended.
    1. +4
      25 February 2017 11: 21
      Quote: bald
      Paradoxically, the Syrian misfortune bears fruit to our defense industry and beyond. And in the shower, it’s all the same, as it’s not comfortable, but where to go, since there is an opportunity to experience the technique as intended.

      I would add, Syria is Russia's test of lice, we kind of passed it with minimal losses ... And there is still so much to do! soldier
    2. +5
      26 February 2017 08: 48
      Quote: bald
      Paradoxically, the Syrian misfortune bears fruit to our defense industry and beyond. And in the shower, it’s all the same, as it’s not comfortable, but where to go, since there is an opportunity to experience the technique as intended.

      You're right. It is strange and uncomfortable for us to realize that someone’s misfortune can bring us some results. We are unusual for this. And Americans live like this all their lives. All their greatness is built on someone else's troubles. But it’s easier for them - their soul does not hurt. If at all ...
  6. +7
    25 February 2017 09: 04
    I believe that our research institutes and design bureaus should include strike groups that can quickly create an “antidote” to the problems our military faces on the battlefield.
    I worked in a research institute, design bureau, and now I work in a private company .. Periodically, a situation arises - a competitor made a mistake and we have a chance to “dunk” him in all respects ... We do not miss such chances ...
    This is the exact opposite with the realities in the research institute, KB where I worked before ..
    1. +6
      25 February 2017 17: 22
      Who would change the realities in KB and the Research Institute of dullness and expectation of pay.
      1. +2
        25 February 2017 18: 33
        Here, here - there are units in the departments, something is standing. Well, that was the case under the Union. But we did it anyway, and I’ll say not bad. And young people, after universities, of course (there are exceptions) were only suitable for consumer goods, but 2 + 2 also knew the glory of God. In principle, nothing has changed, small modifications. One - two standing specialists per department in the Design Bureau - this is not bad - they are leading. C essence in the people who can create, even if it comes from scratch.
      2. +4
        25 February 2017 18: 39
        What wildly outrages - in front of my eyes were going “skewed" many large projects ...
        The construction of their implementation was often simply inadequate to the technical and scientific-theoretical logic (for example, project 17B14, OKB Fakel - but this is the 80s).
        Another point that is usually not paid attention to is that, for some reason, people who are key to failure are in key positions in project management.
        Here you can cite facts for example
        - an attempt to reincarnate the Hyperbar domestic project (and the first attempt was very curious) ..
        - the subject of "Diagnostics" in Roscosmos (somewhere 2008-2012),
        - Theme "Sandwich" (2012-present).
        Can it sounds wildly - "focus on failure" - but such is the reality ..
        In a narrow circle I had to listen to it openly ..
  7. +1
    25 February 2017 09: 29
    Our weapons proved to be very "convincing." All the same, there is an arms "school" in Russia. And this is the most important component in creating weapons.
  8. +2
    25 February 2017 09: 56
    If you want to cope with external threats - buy Russian.

    The article is clearly advertising, "buy our trains, the most train trains in the world."
    And the "bloody boys in the eyes" of such authors do not flicker?
    It’s the same as advertising an abortion in a maternity ward.
    It is clear that the military-industrial complex spring is an information portal for weapons magnates, for whom weapons are a means of gain, but there should be a measure in everything.
  9. +10
    25 February 2017 10: 42
    The article is about nothing. Another one.
    The experience of military operations in Syria clearly demonstrates that the experience of military operations in Syria will not be used in any way. How the experience of the first and second Chechen and the experience of “coercion” of Georgia was not used.
    1. +3
      25 February 2017 11: 26
      As I agree with you on this. A huge misfortune is the lack of initiative in making decisions on the ground, everything was old-fashioned first to the top, but until they decide everything has long been changed ...
      1. +1
        25 February 2017 20: 46
        A huge disaster is the apathy and indifference of citizens, at least those concerned, military personnel and their families, no one controls anything and does not create pressure on officials in the Moscow Region. Therefore, everything will be as it was.
      2. 0
        25 February 2017 20: 46
        A huge disaster is the apathy and indifference of citizens, at least those concerned, military personnel and their families, no one controls anything and does not create pressure on officials in the Moscow Region. Therefore, everything will be as it was.
  10. +2
    25 February 2017 10: 47
    “The Shtora-1 active defense complex is showing itself well, taking away missiles from such obsolete ATGMs as TOW, HOT, Fagot” - And what it is installed on - there is not a single video wherever it works in Syria.
    1. 0
      26 February 2017 23: 50
      probably on the t-90, which we put there (10 pcs. - 1 pcs. burned down)
  11. +1
    25 February 2017 17: 05
    Unfortunately, the rear is behind. I am about education and science. And it gives cause for concern. After 20 years, everything can change exactly the opposite. Will the right conclusions be made?
    1. +1
      25 February 2017 18: 56
      In 20 years there will be the same equipment as now - a modernized obsolete one.
  12. +1
    25 February 2017 17: 17
    Unfortunately, I didn’t see some "tops" of analytics ...
  13. +2
    25 February 2017 17: 25
    Quote: Spade
    How the experience of the first and second Chechen and the experience of “coercion” of Georgia was not used.

    Experience was gained by fighters and commanders. North Wind is an example of this.
    1. +3
      26 February 2017 08: 06
      It's all "not so clear" (c). There, units of the 19th MSD in 1999/2000 gained vast experience in preventing losses from ambushes on columns. Not a single serious casualty incident.

      But after 8 years they managed to fly seriously twice in a very short period of “coercion”. Once - when Major Vetchinov died, the second - in Zemo-Quiti
      1. 0
        26 February 2017 23: 56
        probably the whole thing is in the enemy: the irregular formations of Ichkeria or the regular troops of Georgia trained by the "empirialists" ..., I think the Soviet military school won then, and now ALWAYS win ...
  14. +4
    25 February 2017 21: 32
    The article does not say a word about drones. There are many publications in the media about Chinese drones - supposedly they are gradually capturing the market of third countries, it’s not surprising to be surprised - it’s cheap! And what about the UAV? Well, in general, the application practice and the results are interesting.