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American missile defense will complement the UAV with lasers

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US missile defense agency specialists have begun to test low-power combat lasers mounted on drones, reports N + 1 with reference to the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

American missile defense will complement the UAV with lasers
MQ-9 Reaper

“Existing missile defense systems designed to intercept enemy ballistic missiles are capable of striking only warheads in the transatmospheric and atmospheric phases of flight. The effectiveness of such systems is considered to be high, but they do not fully guarantee the interception of all warheads. The most effective way to deal with the enemy’s ballistic missiles is to intercept them on the upper stage of flight, when the carrier has not gained its marching speed and is not yet able to maneuver, ” - stated in the material.

In this regard, the new concept of the Pro Missile Defense Agency assumes that the UAVs armed with combat lasers will fly at high altitude over the territory of a potential enemy. Upon detecting a launch, the vehicles will shoot down a ballistic missile in the upper stage of its flight.

At present, low-power lasers installed on the MQ-9 Reaper UAV are being tested at the White Sands range in New Mexico. Later, the Agency plans to order multi-kilowatt power lasers for this purpose.

According to the report, the first tests of the anti-missile laser technology demonstrator are planned to be held in the 2020 year, and in the 2021, this laser will have to knock down the first few ballistic target missiles.
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  1. DMoroz
    DMoroz 22 February 2017 15: 55
    +14
    In this regard, the new concept of the ABM Agency assumes that drones armed with combat lasers will fly at high altitude over the territory of a potential enemy.

    They are naive ... They think that states that have ballistic missiles in their arsenal of weapons will allow them to fly over their territory, even at "high altitude" ...
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 22 February 2017 16: 00
      +7
      They crushed the current Star Wars ... smile
      Whether business before:
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 22 February 2017 16: 10
        +1
        Whether business before:


        The key word is lasers. With the help of drones, they strive to create a cluster weapon system when several aircraft concentrate on one object. But the fact is that there is an anti-laser protection that will be used in case of a real threat, the so-called anti-focusing coat. Today it is not used, since the combat use of lasers is just fantastic. This protection reduces the characteristics of missiles and other things, but this drawback is eliminated by increasing power. That is, what is being developed for impact applications already has an insurmountable shield.
        1. Joker787
          Joker787 22 February 2017 16: 24
          +1
          only fiction

          I agree, moreover, this one should be a "swarm" of hundreds of such drones that can only work on mine-based missiles. Thank God that we have a nuclear triad.
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 22 February 2017 16: 37
            +1
            besides this one should be a "swarm" of hundreds of such drones


            Exactly so, besides, they should be controlled by a virtual computer, composed of communication tools, disconnected cores, a command console and the exchange of RAM data. Not to mention discrete guidance and focusing systems.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 23 February 2017 06: 41
              +1
              Well, what is this "virtual computer"? It’s a real computer ... perhaps ... "distributed in space" ... "cellular" (this is one of the names, but not the only one).
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 23 February 2017 15: 37
                0
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                It’s a real computer ... maybe ... "distributed in space" ... "cell"

                It will be a computer - slow-witted yes
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 24 February 2017 02: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  It will be a computer - slow-witted

                  Well, not everyone is to be "cool"! If only the person ........ the device was good! bully
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 24 February 2017 14: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Nikolaevich I
                    If only the person ........ the device was good!

                    I told you - slow-witted. even the bravest Estonians will be meteors in comparison with him. If this were possible, intelligent swarms of bees and ants would dominate the planet, not people.
                    1. Nikolaevich I
                      Nikolaevich I 25 February 2017 04: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      I told you - slow-witted.

                      Everything is comparative and relative! the said device will not compete with the mainframe of the University of Massachusetts! If it copes with the tasks, then the “flag is in its hands”! There was a period in amateur radio, when on the basis of the Soviet MP KR580 (well, more ... on Z80) they assembled “spectrum-like” computers (“microcomputers”) and wrote software for them. So these “devices” sometimes “did” such things that “Western experts” turned their brains on when they “after” got acquainted with the results of “folk art of the Soviet people.” In them, in the “West”, such tasks were carried out only on more powerful "cars"!
    2. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 22 February 2017 18: 14
      0
      And who gave them to fly at a height above enemy territory ??? It seems the Papuans do not have ICBMs))) I think even Koreans have some sort of air defense ....
    3. Professor
      Professor 22 February 2017 19: 07
      0
      Quote: DMoroz
      They are naive ... They think that states that have ballistic missiles in their arsenal of weapons will allow them to fly over their territory, even at "high altitude" ...

      And they will not ask permission. They will knock out air defense and will barrage over the territory of the same S. Korea or Iran.
      1. Oleg Monarchist
        Oleg Monarchist 22 February 2017 19: 16
        +3
        You would have Professor science fiction to write .... not scientific laughing

        They will knock out air defense and will barrage over the territory of the same S. Korea or Iran.


        How many American soldiers will put .... 50-100-200 thousand people.? And how did you get together, "barraging" over the territory of Iran or North. Korea, shoot down Russian ICBMs launched for example from the Urals and Transbaikalia?
        1. Professor
          Professor 22 February 2017 20: 49
          +1
          Quote: Oleg Monarchist
          You would have Professor science fiction to write .... not scientific

          Thanks, I'll think. hi

          Quote: Oleg Monarchist
          How many American soldiers will put .... 50-100-200 thousand people.? And how did you get together, "barraging" over the territory of Iran or North. Korea, shoot down Russian ICBMs launched for example from the Urals and Transbaikalia?

          1. Iraq did not put so many soldiers
          2. In Libya, did not put so many soldiers.
          3. And where did I write about Russian ICBMs? The first steps of Iranian and Korean missiles will be shot down.
      2. Mister22408
        Mister22408 22 February 2017 22: 49
        0
        Suddenly, out of nowhere (let's say from a rock, from a hole), a T delta (unguaranteed destroyed averages) appeared, and here a circus with Papuans ... In this case, the owners and pseudo-hosts (:-)) of drones will be Papuans. With a guaranteed launch of all kinds of glands, unfortunately for the planet.
        In general, the North Korean mona! Koreans specify - the third step with ... and without, who suggested to them - have they really become smarter ... the chosen ones?
      3. KaPToC
        KaPToC 23 February 2017 15: 37
        0
        Quote: Professor
        They will knock out air defense and will barrage over the territory of the same S. Korea or Iran.

        What have they still not knocked out ... air defense?
    4. Skif100500
      Skif100500 22 February 2017 23: 23
      0
      It is well known that "history teaches us that it teaches nothing." -)) Well, they didn’t have enough stories with Powers, they are drawn to TV shows.
  2. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 22 February 2017 15: 56
    0
    I thought that they want to adapt the F-35 in order to break through to the starting positions of our strategic missile forces, and they want to make drones, here are the enemies!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 February 2017 17: 45
      +1
      Isn’t it easier to make UAVs that fly at an altitude of 100 kilometers and when a satellite detects a launch - accordingly, the satellite will transmit the coordinates of the take-off ICBM, the UAV will gain maximum speed and simply ram the ICBMs in the initial part of the flight.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 22 February 2017 18: 07
        0
        Yes, in Siberia it is very difficult for them to reach the aircraft (therefore they will have to quietly barrage there, probably at a high altitude), but in the European part they can also use aviation along with other means in the first strike.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 February 2017 18: 19
          0
          Most likely, the Americans will reach this and kinetic interceptors on satellites.
        2. Oleg Monarchist
          Oleg Monarchist 22 February 2017 19: 26
          0
          so you have to quietly barrage there, probably at high altitude


          Well, only in the orbit of the moon will have to "barrage" laughing Well, that would not notice the air defense from Siberia. All CLEAR UAVs fly there and American aviation.

          Of course, I understand the pre-holiday day .... but not to the same extent.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 22 February 2017 18: 40
        +1
        There time, as I understand it, is only 30 seconds maximum, then the first step
        detaches - it’s too late to beat ... Such a killer must rush from heaven down with an incredible
        speed and be all-time right above the mines. And how to keep him there?
        The laser can win “in a jerk” - defeat instantly, but here is the second problem: the right one
        a place above take-off is unsolvable.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 February 2017 22: 32
          0
          There are high-energy gunpowders and solid-fuel engines too - a speed of 20 max is already achievable.
      3. standan
        standan 22 February 2017 19: 16
        +1
        Can you imagine the initial speed of an ICBM? and UAV speed? with the same success, you can shoot from a slingshot
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 February 2017 21: 55
          0
          And somewhere he said that it would be an ordinary UAV?
      4. Oleg Monarchist
        Oleg Monarchist 22 February 2017 19: 18
        +1
        Isn’t it easier to make UAVs that fly on altitude 100 kilometers
        wassat

        This is a satellite called, not a UAV. laughing

        Excuse me, are you a process engineer in which area?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 February 2017 22: 27
          0
          "This is called a satellite, not a UAV." Satellites generally fly at altitudes of 160 and above. And this is not an ordinary UAV - a hypersonic glider, with a solid-fuel accelerator providing acceleration to Mach 20 - for a “jerk” to the take-off ICBM, the radius of impact is 192 kilometers - it will only take 30 seconds to cover this distance, and 30 seconds Just the time of separation of the first stage, the guidance system is infrared, radar, plus GPS. The launch of such devices can be carried out using target missiles - air launch.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 23 February 2017 06: 58
            +1
            Oh, it’s not in vain that the people say: for every “tricky” nut there is its own intricate bolt! There are options for counteracting these "tricky" UAVs ... new, now "unknown" methods may appear. I don’t see the point of discussing this, because not we, but scientists and the military will "choose" the "necessary" methods!
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 23 February 2017 08: 40
              0
              Now we have nothing to oppose with such devices, C 500, if it goes into service, all divisions will cover Moscow and the region, C 400 does not have such high-altitude missiles, and C 300B4 do not have them, but the space interception devices themselves are already in iron, they it remains only to finalize for the task.
              1. Skif100500
                Skif100500 27 February 2017 23: 54
                0
                And where is the S-500? The missile defense of the central region already has new Nudol missiles.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 February 2017 23: 10
          0
          X 37 may become just such an apparatus - an interceptor of ICBMs from orbit.
          1. Skif100500
            Skif100500 22 February 2017 23: 30
            0
            With a laser on board? -)) The apparatus is too small to place a laser on it capable of shooting down ICBMs, even on takeoff, not to mention the warhead.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 23 February 2017 08: 31
              +1
              No, there will be no laser - there will be a ram in fast hypersound, taking off ICBMs or carrying mini missiles, dozens of 3-4 of such spacecraft can be built and they will fly over the territory of Russia in NOU. In their current form, chemical lasers are ineffective, especially on conventional UAVs, they can only scratch the rocket body and nothing more.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 23 February 2017 09: 25
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                No, there will be no laser - there will be a ram in fast hypersound,

                I agree with you in that “plan” that “faster” (ie, “more real”, earlier ...) you can create a hypersonic kinetic “missile defense” that is small enough to equip “small-sized” drones ..... also it is realistic to create small-sized "anti-missiles" with small cumulative charges. In both cases, it is advisable to use the subsystem of "super maneuverability"; i.e., pulse rocket micromotors with a side vector
  3. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 22 February 2017 15: 56
    +3
    "... the new concept of the ABM Agency assumes that drones armed with combat lasers will fly at high altitude over the territory of a potential enemy. Having detected the launch, the devices will shoot down a ballistic missile in the accelerating section of its flight ..."
    Who will allow all drones to fly with impunity over their own territory, albeit at high altitude?
  4. APASUS
    APASUS 22 February 2017 16: 15
    +7
    With a massive nuclear strike, where the fissile blocks will carry hundreds of nuclear charges and false targets, you need to keep thousands of UAVs in the air for days. What does it look like for another project to cut the dough?
    1. Skif100500
      Skif100500 22 February 2017 23: 34
      0
      Yes, in general, lasers that destroy warheads are definitely from the category of Wishlist, and not real opportunities.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 23 February 2017 07: 07
      +1
      In fact, these UAV-killers ball.raket "are designed to" shoot down "devices" on the "take-off"; i.e. before breeding warheads, which means that they may need an order of magnitude less than what you’ve “voiced”. But about: “keep in the air for days” - I will not object to such an argument.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 23 February 2017 09: 26
        0
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        In fact, these UAV-killers ball.raket "are designed to" shoot down "devices" on the "take-off"; i.e. before breeding warheads;

        Then how will they all end up in our Urals or how many should be in constant search for mobile launchers in our territory again. Even if you take into account what has been said and the territory of our country, these should be not single-use UAVs, but entire aviation complexes like RQ -4 Global Hawk
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 23 February 2017 12: 47
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          Then how is it that they will all be in our Urals

          Yes, I’m not going to say that it’s easy for the Americans to solve the question: “how ...” (if, in general, this can be solved). This is really a problem. I just had in mind the “bare fact” that to defeat launch vehicles, fewer ammunition (the same drones) would be needed than to destroy combat units. Of course, you can “guess” how Americans can solve the problems of the “distant Urals,” but Now it’s more interesting for me to figure out the possibilities of delivering our UAVs to Washington.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 23 February 2017 23: 27
            0
            We do not have such UAVs that can be delivered to Washington; there is a project under the Status 6 program - a long-range strategic, robotic torpedo with a powerful warhead and that’s all.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 24 February 2017 02: 34
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              We do not have such UAVs that can be delivered to Washington

              Duc, and the United States now has "no such UAVs" ..... that is, with "anti-missile" lasers even to the Urals ....
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 24 February 2017 08: 40
                0
                For that they have space UAVs X 37, which can be used not only to destroy ICBMs, but also to bombard our territory with nuclear warheads.
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 24 February 2017 12: 44
                  +1
                  X-37 interceptor of ICBMs? Currently, this is not serious! X-37-experimental model ... it is not launched into the "series" and probably will not be launched! X-37-experimental laboratory (!), On the basis of which more real samples are being worked out and will be worked out. In its current form X-37 as a "scout"; a bomber can still be used, at least, but .... an ICBM interceptor !? Hardly !
  5. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 22 February 2017 16: 19
    +1
    This laser, in the 21st ... Yes, there will be no lasers. Saw and saw. Missile defense agency - what kind of beast is this? Not in the know, maybe a knowledgeable person will enlighten?
    1. Oleg Monarchist
      Oleg Monarchist 22 February 2017 16: 45
      +1
      Missile defense agency - what kind of beast is this? Not in the know, maybe a knowledgeable person will enlighten?


      Apparently a very profitable agency ... in the loot bred American people. laughing
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 22 February 2017 16: 29
    +2
    drones will fly at high altitude over the territory of a potential enemy. Having discovered the launch, the devices will shoot down a ballistic missile in the accelerating section of its flight.
    This is against whom ?? North Korea? Against Russia disappears immediately. Even do not bother.
  7. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 22 February 2017 16: 29
    0
    The drone should be with a nuclear rector on board, which was enough power to supply a laser gun. And, a low-power laser simply will not be able to bring down a ballistic missile precisely because the laser power is small, it will not even heat up this missile properly, especially since it makes no sense to compare the speeds of ICBMs and UAVs.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 23 February 2017 07: 34
      +1
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      , a low-power laser simply can’t bring down a ballistic missile precisely because the laser power is low

      Actually, it’s time to appear on the site an article that talks about the "distributed in space" systems! Such work is underway; and, although, at the “moment” it’s “Wishlist,” but the scientists swear oathly that this will become “come true” not so far. Here, the "cellular" computer was already mentioned; but both the "powerful laser gun" (consisting of the "set" of laser emitters, for example, on compact UAVs) and the AFAR (distributed on the required number of UAVs "fit" into this concept ...) This concept can be criticized, find faults in it; but the concept exists.
  8. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 22 February 2017 16: 51
    0
    That is, the propagated Aegis sucks ????? laughing

    American R&D is the most gold mine in the world. Factory breeding American suckers. laughing
  9. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 22 February 2017 17: 02
    +4
    If they manage to make a laser on an UAV capable of being shot down by a BR then making a laser on the ground capable of shooting an UAV will be an order of magnitude easier.
  10. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 22 February 2017 17: 14
    +1
    Russian MiG-29 shots down the "invisible" Georgian UAV Hermes 450 (pr-in Israel)

    1. Professor
      Professor 22 February 2017 19: 09
      +2
      Quote: Oleg Monarchist
      Russian MiG-29 shots down the "invisible" Georgian UAV Hermes 450 (pr-in Israel)

      [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = _KRnk5hJtJ
      c]

      Doesn't knock down. The Russian Foreign Ministry has officially stated that the filmets is fake.
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 23 February 2017 01: 42
        0
        drinks
        Quote: Professor
        filmets fake.


        Yes, in our movie "Crew" 50 people were thrown from plane to plane. In the air . drinks And here is some kind of hermes, also the 450th. And where else is 449? Why not the 651st, for example? If he hadn’t been overwhelmed, then this fraternity was rummaging around in our pocket. Something is not rummaged. Or maybe they are afraid? And, well, yes, they are invisible, they are sitting in hangars, you will see FIGs.
        1. Professor
          Professor 23 February 2017 08: 04
          +2
          Quote: iliitch
          Yes, in our movie "Crew" 50 people were thrown from plane to plane. In the air . And here is some kind of hermes, also the 450th. And where else is 449? Why not the 651st, for example?

          good

          Quote: iliitch
          If he hadn’t been overwhelmed, then this fraternity was rummaging around in our pocket. Something is not rummaged. Or maybe they are afraid? And, well, yes, they are invisible, they are sitting in hangars, you will see FIGs.

          And they rummage, but you do not see them. They are invisible. wassat
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 23 February 2017 08: 58
        +1
        Doesn't knock down. The Russian Foreign Ministry has officially stated that the filmets is fake.


        what Strange and the Georgians are yelling about something else ...

        The head of the information and analytical department of the Georgian Interior Ministry, Shota Utiashvili, said that an unmanned reconnaissance aircraft belonging to Russia was shot down by guards of the pipeline from Georgia to Azerbaijan:


        This MIG-29 was guarding the oil pipeline ... whose MIG and drone then ??? belay
        1. Professor
          Professor 23 February 2017 10: 16
          +2
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Strange and the Georgians are yelling about something else ...

          And who do we trust? wink
  11. P36M2
    P36M2 22 February 2017 17: 55
    0
    Quote: APASUS
    With a massive nuclear strike, where the fissile blocks will carry hundreds of nuclear charges and false targets, you need to keep thousands of UAVs in the air for days. What does it look like for another project to cut the dough?

    Honestly, I am “FOR” so that they are better off letting the grandmother drop such a crap than on the modernization of the Trident and the construction of the Berks with Virginia.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 22 February 2017 18: 32
      +1
      Quote: P36М2
      Quote: APASUS
      With a massive nuclear strike, where the fissile blocks will carry hundreds of nuclear charges and false targets, you need to keep thousands of UAVs in the air for days. What does it look like for another project to cut the dough?

      Honestly, I am “FOR” so that they are better off letting the grandmother drop such a crap than on the modernization of the Trident and the construction of the Berks with Virginia.

      I think there are no fools sitting there too, and such news is more likely to euthanize the enemy, we are waging an information war, but here all means are good ....................
  12. masiya
    masiya 22 February 2017 18: 52
    +1
    The point is from their lasers, where they suspend batteries for them on their UAVs, from above only in a balloon and with a wire or something ???
    1. Genry
      Genry 23 February 2017 11: 05
      0
      There are chemical lasers. Energy is unlimited (weight issue). But the UAV will be one-time, which is not denied.
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    1. bk316
      bk316 22 February 2017 19: 47
      +4
      thickly troll on BO not ride
    2. Skif100500
      Skif100500 22 February 2017 23: 43
      0
      Flood why ran here?
  14. Slovak
    Slovak 22 February 2017 20: 00
    0
    They saw Russia on the world map? Morons, b ...
  15. TOR2
    TOR2 22 February 2017 21: 48
    0
    In this regard, the new concept of the ABM Agency assumes that drones armed with combat lasers will fly at high altitude over the territory of a potential enemy. Having detected the launch, the devices will shoot down a ballistic missile in the accelerating section of its flight

    Common lies. Apparently, low-power lasers are needed to destroy other small UAVs.
  16. dubowitskij.vick
    dubowitskij.vick 22 February 2017 23: 19
    +1
    Bullshit.
    Barrage indefinitely over the Northern Urals, Altai, Kamchatka ....
  17. dubowitskij.vick
    dubowitskij.vick 22 February 2017 23: 30
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    X 37 may become just such an apparatus - an interceptor of ICBMs from orbit.

    What about thinking before you write nonsense? To do this, wait for the start. Being in close proximity to the launch site. Indefinitely for a long time. How, while in orbit, hang motionless? At the geostationary? This is 40 thousand km. The beam of any laser is smeared at such a distance into a spot the size of a football field. Do you know the location of the launch positions of our ICBMs? For example, mobile, rail, suspended on aircraft carriers, submarines? Finally, all the mines, their coordinates are known to you?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 February 2017 08: 57
      0
      Do you know the location of the launch positions of our ICBMs? First, I didn’t write anything about the laser at all.
      Secondly, all of our mines of land-based ICBMs are known to the Americans, if there are several dozen such spacecraft, and X 37 sets a record for a record in space time, then the problem of covering our territory will disappear, within a radius of 200 kilometers each such device can hit - ramming ICBMs or shoot it down with mini missile defense missiles, even during the operation of the second stage, and here it will not matter whether the mobile complex has launched or not, all ground launches will be instantly detected.
      1. Genry
        Genry 23 February 2017 11: 08
        0
        Before launching the ICBMs, there will be a cleaning of both ground (using the Iskander) and space countermeasures (S-500).
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 February 2017 19: 08
          0
          With 500 no, and if he appears, he will cover only Moscow and the European part of Russia, and that’s all - we did not withdraw from the ABM treaty and we have no missile defense because of confusion.
          1. Genry
            Genry 23 February 2017 23: 09
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            With 500 no

            Not yet.
            Quote: Vadim237
            and if it appears, it will cover only Moscow and the European part of Russia and all

            On the topic of the article, it is necessary to cover the launch zones of Russian missiles. In addition, due to low maneuverability and fuel economy, enemy UAVs barrage will be forced to fly along optimized, predictable trajectories.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 23 February 2017 23: 35
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              If they create - described above, for atmospheric hypersonic UAVs - rammers - then the problem of barricading along predictable trajectories will disappear - we just won’t be able to shoot them down stupidly, and if we “jerk” onto the take-off ICBM - gain speed in 20 misses and even more so - this is the limit for C 500 missiles.
              1. Genry
                Genry 24 February 2017 01: 02
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                Quote: Vadim237
                If they create - described by me above, for atmospheric hypersonic UAVs - rammer

                They will not create.

                Quote: Vadim237
                the problem of barricading along predictable trajectories will disappear - we just won’t be able to shoot them down stupidly, and if we “jerk” onto a take-off ICBM — a speed set of 20 misses and we won’t be able to do it again — this is the limit for C 500 missiles.

                _ 20 max is the working speed of the S-500 and interception requires less speed.
                _ It is impossible to barrage in the affected area of ​​the S-500 - spray.
                _ A jerk of 20 misses to a distance of 200 km for your anti-missile will be with linear acceleration (rational safety factor of the hull) and will require much more time than 30 seconds (about 50 seconds), or almost 2 times more speed (energy consumption is much higher than in 4 times, due to the increase in the weight of the fuel and rocket body).
                _ Who will give the command and target designation for your anti-missile? After all, it is possible to simulate the start of an ICBM (a leaky barrel of gasoline) and if the acceleration procedure for defeat is launched, then there will be no second chance.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 24 February 2017 08: 56
                  0
                  “They will not create” - This is not yet proven. About the capabilities of the C 500 it’s too early to say that it’s either in service or in the series and when it will appear is unknown. “It will take much more time than 30 seconds (about 50 seconds)” - It depends on the components of the turbojet engines, the more energetically they are during combustion, the higher the speed and the ICBM can be hit in 50 seconds - it will fly to the second stage. The body of the device can be made of Tantalum carbide, the melting point of which is 3880 degrees - when accelerating to 20 Machs, the device heats up to 1920 degrees, 30 - 50 seconds is enough for the device to hit the ICBM and not collapse.
                  1. Genry
                    Genry 24 February 2017 12: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    in 50 seconds, the ICBM can be hit - it will fly to the second stage.

                    At the second stage, the ICBM will already have the ability to control acceleration (throttling) and the anti-rocket simply will not be able to calculate the point of destruction, it will rush like a train without brakes and blindly (in a cloud of high-temperature ionization).
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 24 February 2017 20: 50
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                      For this, the satellite will be able to calculate and transmit corrections for a flying rocket - communication problems in the plasma stream, we decided back in the 80s.
                      1. Genry
                        Genry 25 February 2017 05: 45
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                        Quote: Vadim237
                        communication problems in the plasma stream, we decided back in the 80s.

                        You are confusing something ...
                        This low-speed aircraft, with artificial plasma generation, left open antennas for communication. But from full coverage, at high speed, you can’t get out of it - solid shielding. And so far, the astronauts, with a ballistic descent to Earth, on the site of braking in the atmosphere, have no connection.
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        satellite can calculate and transmit corrections for a flying rocket

                        You will not be able to measure the distance to the missile and ICBMs with the necessary nose-to-nose accuracy.

                        And end already with childhood fantasies. It takes you a very long time to learn.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 February 2017 19: 11
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      You write nonsense here and moreover.
  18. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 23 February 2017 01: 02
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    Well, this is a frivolous American adventure .... It’s necessary to guess that we will allow their UAVs into our sky
  19. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 23 February 2017 01: 59
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    There is a good laser remedy called a mirror. They have an interesting strategy, if the enemy is brought to such a state that enemy planes freely fly over his territory, then such a tool is no longer necessary. The missiles will then be destroyed in mines or on takeoff by conventional aircraft.
  20. Dinko
    Dinko 23 February 2017 02: 30
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    let them dream
  21. dubowitskij.vick
    dubowitskij.vick 23 February 2017 09: 45
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    Quote: Vadim237
    Do you know the location of the launch positions of our ICBMs? First, I didn’t write anything about the laser at all.
    Secondly, all of our mines of land-based ICBMs are known to the Americans, if there are several dozen such spacecraft, and X 37 sets a record for a record in space time, then the problem of covering our territory will disappear, within a radius of 200 kilometers each such device can hit - ramming ICBMs or shoot it down with mini missile defense missiles, even during the operation of the second stage, and here it will not matter whether the mobile complex has launched or not, all ground launches will be instantly detected.

    You do not know what you write nonsense. Even in the lowest orbit, on which only a few revolutions hang, the circulation period is about an hour. That is, I looked, close over the same point you will be in an hour. Given the Coriolis forces, for an accurate flight over the same target, a horizontal maneuver is needed. This piece of iron has the ability to accommodate a crew of two people. The duration of the orbit with the crew is a couple of days. No machine guns or remote control will replace the crew. The launch of thousands of pieces in the event of the danger of war is firstly impossible due to the lack thereof, and secondly, it will be revealed by intelligence in a minute. The launch of one to five pieces will not fix any weather.
    The third. Repeated passage over the target, only after an hour. The flight time of ICBMs from the mine (railway train) to the target is 20 minutes. Who quickly? Shoot an already empty mine? Can. But the point of this .... Shoot from the geostationary station, being above the target all the time? This is 40 thousand km. From the mine to the target, 12 thousand km. Who quickly?
    Think a lot and be silent louder. You will marry a smart one.
  22. dubowitskij.vick
    dubowitskij.vick 23 February 2017 11: 26
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    Quote: Vadim237
    Do you know the location of the launch positions of our ICBMs? First, I didn’t write anything about the laser at all.
    Secondly, all of our mines of land-based ICBMs are known to the Americans, if there are several dozen such spacecraft, and X 37 sets a record for a record in space time, then the problem of covering our territory will disappear, within a radius of 200 kilometers each such device can hit - ramming ICBMs or shoot it down with mini missile defense missiles, even during the operation of the second stage, and here it will not matter whether the mobile complex has launched or not, all ground launches will be instantly detected.

    I continue. Warheads fly at hypersonic speed. To catch it, you need a speed of 1,5-2 times higher. The orbital flight is fleeting. Minutes Be close, find, aim, escort and catch up. Stupidity. Atmospheric flight. Even more problematic. On a simple hypersound, the warhead heats up to ....
    At one and a half hypersound, the anti-missile warms up to ....
    If the best brains work at speeds of 3-5 M, then what needs to be applied to achieve 7-10 M? In a split second, filter out false targets. To launch a couple of dozens of anti-missile missiles on one dividing head? Not so simple. The farther into the forest, the greater the advantages of attack means.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 February 2017 18: 55
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      "Think a lot and be silent louder. You will marry a smart one." - This is just your retrospective. - What are the warheads? - "This piece of iron has the ability to accommodate a crew of two people." What to place the crew on? "No machine guns or remote control can replace the crew. Launching thousands of pieces in case of danger of war is firstly impossible due to the lack thereof, and secondly, it will be revealed by intelligence in a minute." - What are you speaking about?
      "Repeated passage over the target is only in an hour. The flight time of ICBMs from the mine (railway train) to the target is 20 minutes. Who is faster? Shoot the already empty mine? It is possible. But the point of this .... Shoot from the geostationary being over the target all the time? It's 40 thousand km. From the mine to the goal is 12 thousand km. Who is faster? " Again - what are you talking about?
      Once again, for the most gifted - the concept of hypersonic for atmospheric UAVs - it flies at an altitude of 100 kilometers and above - up to 200 NOOs, it is equipped with a solid-fuel accelerator for a “jerk” - speed 20 Mach, to the launch of ICBMs, the radius of destruction of such an apparatus will be 192 kilometers , this distance, when jerking, it covers in 30 seconds - this is the time of separation of the first stage of the ICBM — the missile defense and orientation of the spacecraft — the rammer will be controlled by the missile defense satellite — and it’s not necessary to launch some thousands of devices, three or four dozen will suffice, this number will be enough to keep 5 million square kilometers of land under the hood - from which ICBMs can take off. All ICBMs will not be shot down, and this is not necessary, and yes - these devices will have the opportunity to maneuver over the territory of Russia and they can be in space for years - this prototype is now X 37.
  23. dubowitskij.vick
    dubowitskij.vick 23 February 2017 11: 40
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    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Oleg Monarchist
    Russian MiG-29 shots down the "invisible" Georgian UAV Hermes 450 (pr-in Israel)

    [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = _KRnk5hJtJ
    c]

    Doesn't knock down. The Russian Foreign Ministry has officially stated that the filmets is fake.

    Good neighborly relations with Israel do not allow traumatizing the tender souls of this friendly Arab people. To refute the film is to help be in the sweet delusion about the quality of drones. The chassis of this flying miracle is questioned about the use of stealth technology or even more sophisticated. Especially. that the mathematical basis of this disguise method was developed by a Russian.
  24. Charik
    Charik 23 February 2017 15: 47
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    So then, from the 23rd branch of the DZO. Termikov it reminds you first of the rocket then the robots can finally crush the whole world
  25. dubowitskij.vick
    dubowitskij.vick 23 February 2017 21: 47
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    Quote: Vadim237
    You write nonsense here and moreover.

    But in fact? Or is your thought so short that it is impossible to twist something out of it, the thread of conversation is completely absent?
  26. dubowitskij.vick
    dubowitskij.vick 23 February 2017 21: 56
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    "Think a lot and be silent louder. You will marry a smart one." - This is just your retrospective. - What are the warheads? - "This piece of iron has the ability to accommodate a crew of two people." What to place the crew on? "No machine guns or remote control can replace the crew. Launching thousands of pieces in case of danger of war is firstly impossible due to the lack thereof, and secondly, it will be revealed by intelligence in a minute." - What are you speaking about?
    "Repeated passage over the target is only in an hour. The flight time of ICBMs from the mine (railway train) to the target is 20 minutes. Who is faster? Shoot the already empty mine? It is possible. But the point of this .... Shoot from the geostationary being over the target all the time? It's 40 thousand km. From the mine to the goal is 12 thousand km. Who is faster? " Again - what are you talking about?
    Once again, for the most gifted - the concept of hypersonic for atmospheric UAVs - it flies at an altitude of 100 kilometers and above - up to 200 NOOs, it is equipped with a solid-fuel accelerator for a “jerk” - speed 20 Mach, to the launch of ICBMs, the radius of destruction of such an apparatus will be 192 kilometers , this distance, when jerking, it covers in 30 seconds - this is the time of separation of the first stage of the ICBM — the missile defense and orientation of the spacecraft — the rammer will be controlled by the missile defense satellite — and it’s not necessary to launch some thousands of devices, three or four dozen will suffice, this number will be enough to keep 5 million square kilometers of land under the hood - from which ICBMs can take off. All ICBMs will not be shot down, and this is not necessary, and yes - these devices will have the opportunity to maneuver over the territory of Russia and they can be in space for years - this prototype is now X 37.

    A jerk of 192 kilometers is, of course, an achievement. Is there enough gas for two or three jerks?
    Yes, what am I talking about, solid fuel engines cannot be throttled or turned off. They work until they burn out completely. One jerk. Spend (How many billions to develop, + manufacture a pair of prototypes) in the name of a breakthrough and attempt to destroy one starting serial? You live well. How long can the crew live there? In the Shuttle - 10 days. In this snuffbox, of course, less. Next, a headache after landing ballast in an extra dozen tons. Not at every aerodrome. I missed the braking time, swim in the ocean, or try to sit on the highway. And with an unused atomic club. Not bad. Shuttles on only 2 equipped lanes could? Throughout the vast territory of rich America. And these? Who amputated your brain? And in what clinic?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 February 2017 23: 48
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      "Throughout the vast territory of rich America. And these? Who amputated your brain? And in which clinic?" - you? - I’m explaining it to you for the second time - there’s no crew there - the device is unmanned, controlled by on-board computers, astro correction and satellites. And yet - consult a doctor, otherwise it looks like you have a roll with the crews.
  27. Vadim237
    Vadim237 25 February 2017 10: 23
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    Genry,
    This is what you need to learn - the guidance system for managing the MBR R 36M2 - BB 15F178 warheads with an active radar homing system using digital maps of the area - 87 years. Problems with control in the plasma flow were solved, there was only one problem left - the scramjet.
  28. gukoyan
    gukoyan 25 February 2017 12: 10
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    Well, well, what about the air defense system, no one thought?
    Such drones will be lost in packs even if they do not reach the desired square.