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In China, created a heavy BMP

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The network has a picture of the next generation of Chinese armored vehicles with enhanced protection and weaponry, reports Defence.ru with reference to defense-blog.com.

In China, created a heavy BMP


According to military expert Vasily Kashin, "this is a prototype of a Chinese infantry fighting vehicle weighing up to 35 tons with an 40-mm automatic cannon with enhanced armor penetration."

It is noted that "the engine-transmission compartment of the new platform is located in front of the body and shifted to the right to improve the layout of the machine."

The lens also got a new assault vehicle. It also impresses with its dimensions.



As the author notes, Chinese designers of combat armored vehicles are following the global trends: the mass of new infantry fighting vehicles is increasing, the calibers and the number of weapons are increasing.
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  1. cost
    cost 22 February 2017 13: 23
    +3
    Somehow this photo looks like an inflatable dummy, don’t you?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 February 2017 13: 27
      +12
      In China, created a heavy BMP
      a painful feeling of envy ... (I understand, for many) that's how it is ... on paper, they have iron ... but do not care what is bad so far, and then ?,
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 22 February 2017 13: 33
        +14
        The Chinese are once again demonstrating that they are not a “catching party,” as some in the world still believe ...
      2. St Petrov
        St Petrov 22 February 2017 13: 47
        +32
        painful envy


        we have on paper, they have in iron


        give it up. The Russian Federation issued a catchy pepelats. Let others be jealous



        The Chinese are catching up. Something was taken out of the hangar to stand against the wall - and here the hair is already torn. There may be nothing really going.

        from where so much depends, it’s just not clear) Maybe I don’t taste anything.

        And our pepelats is already in trials. In the gland. Already rolled out to the parade.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 22 February 2017 14: 21
          +3
          The main thing is that they would not copy Ukrainian "samples" .. "Tirex", "Azov", etc. ... Then kapets everything ..
          Quote: c-Petrov
          painful envy


          we have on paper, they have in iron


          give it up. The Russian Federation issued a catchy pepelats. Let others be jealous



          The Chinese are catching up. Something was taken out of the hangar to stand against the wall - and here the hair is already torn. There may be nothing really going.

          from where so much depends, it’s just not clear) Maybe I don’t taste anything.

          And our pepelats is already in trials. In the gland. Already rolled out to the parade.
        2. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 22 February 2017 14: 55
          +3
          It's a pity you can’t put two pluses)
        3. commbatant
          commbatant 22 February 2017 21: 26
          0
          yes they and s..ki ...
        4. Costeneshty
          Costeneshty 23 February 2017 13: 24
          0
          what is there to envy, you yourself look at the size of this crap, the number of weakened zones is simply amazing, the quality of technical performance is not amenable to logic, it is still not clear that with the engine on it, a 30 mm gun with which figs you will get, it’s strange but 2 years it hasn’t been accepted in service, actually for the platform is not very bad for the platform! not for a finished combat vehicle.
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 22 February 2017 14: 46
        +6
        Come on paper. T-15 has long been "in the gland." Did something go on Red Square? Not yet in the troops, well, that’s understandable.
      4. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 22 February 2017 14: 56
        +9
        We have in the iron on the tests, and not on paper.
      5. Victorio
        Victorio 22 February 2017 20: 10
        0
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        In China, created a heavy BMP
        painful envy... (I understand, for many) this is how it is ... on paper, in their hardware ... yes, do not care what is bad so far, and then ?,

        ===
        like at a literary evening
      6. Sergey Medvedev
        Sergey Medvedev 22 February 2017 23: 46
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        we have on paper, they have in iron

        What are you about??? T-15 on paper ??? Boomerang on paper ??? Kurganets ???
      7. Boris Shramov
        Boris Shramov 14 March 2017 23: 27
        0
        Tachanka, armored train, "Mouse", etc. .... Copying leads to a lag ...
    2. Koshak
      Koshak 22 February 2017 15: 14
      +8
      Quote: Rich
      Somehow this photo looks like an inflatable dummy, don’t you?

      No need to be ironic and underestimate. The Chinese are riveting such "dummies" in thousands. Let it be for the time being and not in the necessary parameters. But everything moves and changes. Once the Chinese could only copy locks and lanterns. And now they have one of the strongest armies.
      1. cost
        cost 22 February 2017 15: 17
        +3
        absolutely no irony
      2. standan
        standan 22 February 2017 18: 08
        +6
        Are you serious? The fact that the army is 2 million people does not make it the strongest
    3. Orionvit
      Orionvit 22 February 2017 16: 49
      +3
      Yeah, a very "good" photo. Not only that, blurry, but also covered with a tree. lol
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 22 February 2017 17: 21
        +3
        Apparently now it’s up to the Baikal module with 57mm. the gun. hi
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 22 February 2017 13: 25
    +1
    A copy of our platform plus the idea of ​​Merkava, something can grow.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 22 February 2017 13: 33
      +1
      Quote: Teberii
      plus the idea of ​​Merkava

      I would like to ask the idea of ​​Merkava what is this?
      1. Teberii
        Teberii 22 February 2017 13: 47
        +1
        Merkava (chariot) the location of the engine and the driver’s mechanics. Even if you remove the gun from the tank, it will turn out to be a BMP.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 22 February 2017 14: 33
          +7
          Quote: Teberii
          Merkava (chariot) engine location and driver mechanics

          So what? On the BMP-1 MTO, there is also a compartment ahead of him with amphibious weapons behind it. So BMP-1 is also Merkava’s idea? lol
          1. Teberii
            Teberii 22 February 2017 14: 42
            0
            That BMP1, and then the tank you understand the difference.
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 22 February 2017 15: 02
              +4
              Quote: Teberii
              That BMP1

              And where did you see the tank in this Chinese infantry fighting vehicle? In its mass of 35 persecutors?
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 22 February 2017 15: 11
                +9
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Merkava's idea

                Although it is approximately understandable what you wanted to say, “sing”, so to speak, the next ode to Israeli Jews they say they are the best. But if you were more interested in technology, you should have known that the idea of ​​Merkava (the engine compartment in front of him was fighting) was embodied by the British on the tank MK A - MK B WHIPPET during the WWII
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 22 February 2017 15: 14
                  +6
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  Merkava’s idea (the engine compartment in front of him was fighting) was embodied by the British on the MK A - MK B WHIPPET during the WWII

                  And then continued for example by the Germans in Germany on the experimental tank Leichttraktor Rheinmetall.

    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 22 February 2017 13: 35
      +5
      Teberii
      A copy of our platform plus the idea of ​​Merkava, something can grow.
      What to grow up? Three or four crooked foot soldiers on the floor under the tower
      By the way, in the BMP photo, in my opinion, it’s a sandy color. And a green tank. Well, everything is like a universal Armata platform. An idea in the sense.
  3. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 22 February 2017 13: 32
    +2
    For anti-tank systems, a high silhouette is exactly what you need! fool The Chinese want to keep up with the creation of new technology, it is commendable, but they do not need to copy stupidly, but try to create their own platform with their own “zest”, and somehow they are in no hurry to develop their design school.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 February 2017 13: 54
      +4
      Modern ATGMs hit from above and can be guided by an unmanned aerial vehicle - to the height of an infantry fighting vehicle anyway.
      1. stoker
        stoker 22 February 2017 14: 10
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        Modern ATGMs hit from above and can be guided by an unmanned aerial vehicle - to the height of an infantry fighting vehicle anyway.



        This, if they allow the enemy, who also has a drone and a mortar battery.
  4. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 22 February 2017 13: 42
    +4
    "The mass of new infantry fighting vehicles is growing, the calibers are increasing ..." Yes, do tanks already, people. It’s interesting how many years will pass before they steal “Armata” from us?
    1. alex73s
      alex73s 22 February 2017 13: 58
      +5
      Quote: iliitch
      "The mass of new infantry fighting vehicles is growing, the calibers are increasing ..." Yes, do tanks already, people. It’s interesting how many years will pass before they steal “Armata” from us?


      Why steal, our businessmen will sell
      1. stoker
        stoker 22 February 2017 14: 34
        0
        Quote: alex73s
        Quote: iliitch
        "The mass of new infantry fighting vehicles is growing, the calibers are increasing ..." Yes, do tanks already, people. It’s interesting how many years will pass before they steal “Armata” from us?


        Why steal, our businessmen will sell


        Your dealers do not have such tanks.
        1. Boris Shramov
          Boris Shramov 22 February 2017 15: 04
          +2
          Ours, Russians, will be sold, if not already sold.
          Results of the privatization “however” .. Thanks to the “redhead”! By the way, during the demonstration of "nanohyperweapons" the sample hit the floor along with the drawings. I had to write off a project worth 100 billion US dollars spent from the budget of the Russian Federation.
          Ostap Bender is resting! :)))
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 22 February 2017 16: 58
            +1
            By the way, during the demonstration of "nanohyperweapons" the sample hit the floor along with the drawings. I had to write off a project worth 100 billion US dollars spent from the budget of the Russian Federation.


            more details?
          2. iliitchitch
            iliitchitch 22 February 2017 19: 47
            +2
            Quote: Boris Shramov
            Ours, Russians, will be sold, if not already sold.
            Results of the privatization “however” .. Thanks to the “redhead”! By the way, during the demonstration of "nanohyperweapons" the sample hit the floor along with the drawings. I had to write off a project worth 100 billion US dollars spent from the budget of the Russian Federation.
            Ostap Bender is resting! :)))


            what kind of organism has appeared? which is 100 scattered. From the budget of the Russian Federation. tsupalobrazts in humans. What gizmo can cost so much money? Well, yes, there is a lot of money in the Russian pocket. They were silent, miserable. Our money, and not for you to count it.
            1. Boris Shramov
              Boris Shramov 14 March 2017 23: 55
              0
              My money, too, because I am a citizen of the Russian Federation and pay taxes for many things in the RF, by stealing and escaping ... Cover your mouth ...
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 15 March 2017 00: 43
                0
                Quote: Boris Shramov
                Cover your mouth ..

                - wait a bit too early to cover ...

                ... during the demonstration of "nanohyperweapons" sample dropped to the floor ... write off the projectworth $ 100 billion ...

                - what is “write off the project” (there is no such in the Russian language)
                - why do we have to “write off the project” if one sample fell? What, no second? And you can’t do it? What kind of "project" is this?

                The entire expenditure side of the budget of the Russian Federation-2017 is (attention) $ 270 billion.

                Attention, the question: what kind of "project", which is almost half the budget?

                Attention, the answer: there is no such project, and it cannot be.

                Congratulations to you, my friend, deceit (s) yes
  5. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 22 February 2017 15: 08
    +4
    Somehow now, the borders in armored vehicles “sailed” without a sign right away and couldn’t catch the tank-bmp-btr-self-propelled gun, and the armor was not slightly increased! But 15-20 years ago, "experts" talked about the "excess" of heavy armor, and the "non-need" of tanks — life put everything in its place!
  6. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 22 February 2017 15: 11
    0
    Well, it looks davolko futuristic and solid, although the ATGM is not visible on it and there is no KAZ, it seems to weigh a lot (for infantry fighting vehicles) and dear most likely.
  7. Orionvit
    Orionvit 22 February 2017 16: 53
    +2
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    a painful feeling of envy ... (I understand, for many) that's how it is ... on paper, they have iron ... but do not care what is bad so far, and then ?,

    There is no need to envy, not everything is alright in China. Further it will be seen, but for now, the Chinese tanks’s rollers are falling off live when half the world is watching them. Let them handle this first.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 February 2017 17: 35
      0
      So what, the skating rink fell off - the tank did not lose mobility from this.
    2. Costeneshty
      Costeneshty 23 February 2017 13: 39
      +1
      Well, not only them :)
  8. Orionvit
    Orionvit 22 February 2017 17: 03
    +1
    Quote: iliitch
    "The mass of new infantry fighting vehicles is growing, the calibers are increasing ..." Yes, do tanks already, people

    Western tanks have long crossed the line of 60 tons. It is interesting, in the case of a hypothetical war with Russia, how they will travel on local bridges, they will certainly get there. laughing Laughter with laughter, and now BMP, the main advantage of which was lightness, swiftness, the ability to overcome water barriers, is already reaching for the tank. At this pace, they will soon return to Mouse again. laughing
  9. Orionvit
    Orionvit 22 February 2017 17: 10
    0
    Quote: Observer2014
    Well, everything is like a universal Armata platform. An idea in the sense.

    Exactly. Someone here is already envious of the Chinese, although nothing new is visible. The Chinese stupidly copy everything Russian, starting with the concept itself and ending with iron. Fundamentally theirs in technology, the Chinese have nothing, by definition. And how did they even manage to “invent” gunpowder? No. Although this is an old bike, as with paper.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 23 February 2017 00: 16
      +3
      Today, China is a superpower with an economy 10 times larger than the Russian one.
      After 10 years, many things will be copied from them.
      They were already a superpower - precisely when they invented gunpowder, paper, a compass, and much more.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 23 February 2017 14: 25
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Today, China is a superpower with an economy 10 times larger than the Russian one.
        After 10 years, many things will be copied from them.
        They were already a superpower - precisely when they invented gunpowder, paper, a compass, and much more.

        This is unlikely in my opinion. Although they will have serious advances in science and technology. But in general, anyway, the collective West, Russia and Israel will be a source of technology for China.
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 23 February 2017 15: 30
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Today, China is a superpower with an economy 10 times larger than the Russian one.

        Three times more American and one hundred times more Israeli.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        After 10 years, many things will be copied from them.

        A copy is always worse than the original.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        They were already a superpower - precisely when they invented gunpowder, paper, a compass, and much more.

        They did not invent all this; historians are brazenly lying.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 23 February 2017 15: 40
          +1
          "A copy is always worse than the original." ///

          And here it is wrong. The Japanese at the beginning of their great leap in the 70-80s moves actively
          copied European and American equipment.
          Since their build quality is higher and there are more quality checks, copies were obtained
          better than the originals. The Chinese (like the South Koreans) follow the same path.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 23 February 2017 15: 58
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Since their build quality is higher and there are more quality checks, copies were obtained

            In mechanics, the quality was not very good. In Panasonic, my plastic gear burst, I soldered it with a soldering iron. crying
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC 23 February 2017 22: 09
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "A copy is always worse than the original." ///
            And here it is wrong.

            This is true, to copy the technique - it is not enough to study the sample, you need to know the production methods, otherwise you will not be able to achieve a result close to the original.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 23 February 2017 15: 45
          +3
          Quote: KaPToC
          They did not invent all this; historians are brazenly lying.

          True? That is, when the Norse runes hollowed, our ancestors wrote letters on birch bark, then the Chinas sat on palm trees? And who sculpted vases for them?
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 23 February 2017 22: 07
            0
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            That is, when the Norse runes hollowed, our ancestors wrote letters on birch bark, then the Chinas sat on palm trees?

            Google such names as Kostenki, Sungir, Tripolitanian culture, the Chinas were then still sitting on the Pralms.
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And who sculpted vases for them?

            You cannot know who sculpted the vases and historians cannot know, they only assume, and assumptions are not knowledge yet. There is no more obscure "science" than history.
            In the Chinese language, there was not even such a word - gunpowder - until the seventeenth century - when Europeans brought this gunpowder to China.
            In addition, it is not clear where this China was and why on earth do we call China?
  10. Orionvit
    Orionvit 22 February 2017 17: 57
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    So what, the skating rink fell off - the tank did not lose mobility from this

    Of course it's okay, think a trifle, the rink fell off at the combat vehicle. Not as a result of getting the enemy’s ammunition, but as simple as they go. Something idle. Some even drive cars without one wheel and do not lose mobility, and is this normal in your opinion?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 February 2017 20: 03
      0
      For military operations, it’s the very thing - they are traveling.
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 22 February 2017 19: 13
    0
    Similar to Kurganets-25 with a larger tower.
  12. tchoni
    tchoni 22 February 2017 19: 23
    0
    Apparently, the Chinese succeeded in what the designers of "Almaty" failed - i.e. create a single heavy platform, unified for the entire range of armored vehicles. Guys rub off.
    1. commbatant
      commbatant 22 February 2017 21: 22
      0
      just to blurt out something evil, ur ... d
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 23 February 2017 14: 39
        0
        But you are handsome :-)
      2. tchoni
        tchoni 23 February 2017 14: 41
        0
        Terrible as it may sound, the site is degenerating into a puppy-enthusiastic farce
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 23 February 2017 15: 31
          +1
          Quote: tchoni
          Terrible as it may sound, the site is degenerating into a puppy-enthusiastic farce

          Self-criticism is good quality.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 24 February 2017 07: 53
      0
      On the T-15 it does not pull, the dimensions are not the same. Enlarged turret with a 40mm gun and an average Kurganz-25 type machine
  13. commbatant
    commbatant 22 February 2017 21: 20
    0
    As the author notes, Chinese designers of combat armored vehicles are following the global trends: the mass of new infantry fighting vehicles is increasing, the calibers and the number of weapons are increasing.

    According to world trends, the Chinese comrades are increasing the size and silhouette of the BMP
  14. Pecheneg
    Pecheneg 23 February 2017 09: 23
    0
    Soon, BMPs will be cooler than tanks.
  15. acetophenone
    acetophenone 23 February 2017 10: 35
    0
    Quote: Pecheneg
    Soon, BMPs will be cooler than tanks.

    Such a hefty fool ... But this is - until the first meeting with the tank. Or a helicopter. They do not have protivosnaryadnaya armor, so we get a jar with minced meat.
    1. Served once
      Served once 23 February 2017 11: 05
      0
      With the current means of fighting tanks, there will always be either minced meat or coals ... And so the chances of survival are slim, and now the threat is from all sides: from below, from the side, from above.
  16. Niccola Mack
    Niccola Mack 23 February 2017 13: 49
    0
    The network has a photo of a new Chinese next-generation armored vehicle with enhanced protection and weapons, Defense.ru reports citing defense-blog.com.

    A powerful source of news - it is possible that the Chinese themselves laid out (or rigged), and on our site there are already talks about a radical change in military doctrine.
    Maybe this is a movie set for the Chinese Transformers.
  17. Orionvit
    Orionvit 23 February 2017 16: 48
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    China today is a superpower with an economy 10 times larger than Russia's

    So what? With all its enormous economic power, what was so interesting and fundamentally new that China gave the world? In addition to the mass cheap production of things using imported technologies and a huge number of copies of various goods, often of dubious quality, in my opinion nothing. By the way, this also applies to a certain extent to Israel.
  18. Boris Shramov
    Boris Shramov 14 March 2017 23: 31
    0
    Quote: Koshak
    Quote: Rich
    Somehow this photo looks like an inflatable dummy, don’t you?

    No need to be ironic and underestimate. The Chinese are riveting such "dummies" in thousands. Let it be for the time being and not in the necessary parameters. But everything moves and changes. Once the Chinese could only copy locks and lanterns. And now they have one of the strongest armies.

    What are you talking about, my friend? Doesn’t one and a half a vodka from the morning and the hunger strike? Link, pliiz!
  19. Boris Shramov
    Boris Shramov 14 March 2017 23: 35
    0
    Apparently, the Chinese succeeded in what the designers of "Almaty" failed - i.e. create a single platform, unified for the entire range of armored vehicles. Guys rub off. [/ Quote]
    Source? SBU Unsold?
  20. Boris Shramov
    Boris Shramov 14 March 2017 23: 44
    0
    Quote: Orionvit
    Quote: voyaka uh
    China today is a superpower with an economy 10 times larger than Russia's

    So what? With all its enormous economic power, what was so interesting and fundamentally new that China gave the world? In addition to the mass cheap production of things using imported technologies and a huge number of copies of various goods, often of dubious quality, in my opinion nothing. By the way, this also applies to a certain extent to Israel.

    In the USA, the Chinese and Indians are at the main teaching places in technological universities, replacing the Russians. Where do they design and manufacture chips for global electronics? Where is the electronic base produced? ..... Compare the multiple launch rocket systems with us and with them ... Do not underestimate the neighbors. May turn into a new year 1941 ...