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Sevastopol. 35 battery: the story of dishonor

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Sevastopol. 35 battery: the story of dishonor



Sevastopol Golgotha ​​is called the "35 battery" the inhabitants of our city. Today, the memorial complex, built on the site of the last line of defense of Sevastopol, gained worldwide fame. Every year, it is visited by tens of thousands of people seeking to pay tribute to the memory of the heroic defenders of our Motherland.



Unfortunately, not all of them know that the newest история "35 battery" is also associated with betrayal and deception. Our story is about how the place of the feat and the greatest tragedy in the history of the city has become a place to satisfy the ambitions of corrupt politicians who tried to enter the heroic history of Sevastopol from the back door.

35-I battery: how it all began

Many people of Sevastopol remember that ten years ago there was no memorial complex at the site of the “35 battery”. When members of the Patriot youth organization paid attention to him, the true abomination of desolation reigned here.

The organization Patriot was created in 1998 year, as an association of Sevastopol youth, not indifferent to the history and traditions of our city. The young guys under the direction of their senior comrades engaged in a noble cause - the search and reburial of the remains of Soviet soldiers who died in World War II. So, they were on the "35-th battery."



“In the 2005 year,” says the then head of the Patriot Alexander Vorobyov (in the photo), “we initiated the reburial of the remains of more than 90 Soviet soldiers who fell during the defense of Sevastopol. The 35-I battery at that time was a pitiful sight. We were amazed at how she looked. The building of the battery lay in ruins and became the object of activity of robbers and marauders. The remains of the towed structures - unique sources on the history of fortification - were cut for scrap. Unorganized excavations were carried out on the territory of the monument, both by groups and by single diggers. Around everything was littered with bones, which were removed from the ground or brought here by local residents who built cottages. ”



The tragic feat of the defenders of Sevastopol, abandoned to the mercy of the military and party command, was ignored for many years, so it’s not surprising that the visible symbol of this betrayal, the 35 battery, the heirs of those same commissars who ran the city until recently, tried to forget. But after 60 years after the tragic events, they could no longer be hushed up. At one time, the book by I.S. Manoshina "Heroic tragedy", dedicated to the last days of the defense of Sevastopol.

The guys from the "Patriot" decided to contribute to the perpetuation of the heroic memory of the defenders of Sevastopol. They began to look for caring people, to attract public attention. Oleg Molodtsov, a researcher at the Institute of Strategic Studies, was one of the first to whom they turned. He prepared the 35 Coastal Battery Research and Museumization Program, which included field research, the reburial of fallen Soviet soldiers, the museumification of the object, involving the best domestic and foreign specialists and turning it into a memorial monument.

The developed program received positive expert evaluations from such authoritative organizations and departments as the Regional Branch of the National Institute for Strategic Studies under the President of Ukraine in Simferopol (Director A.G. Shevchuk), the Crimean Research Search Association “Memory” (President I. Klyucharyov ), the national reserve "Tauric Chersonesos" and others.

Enlisting public support and obtaining the necessary permits, search enthusiasts got down to business. In August 2006, security and exploratory excavations and a survey of the underground structures of the 35 battery began. The works were conducted by members of the public organization "Patriot" under the leadership of Alexander Alexandrovich Vorobiev. The direct leadership of the excavations was carried out by Oleg E. Molodtsov.

At the time of the commencement of work there was not even a description of the monument. The battery was blown up in the 1942 year and was a labyrinth of underground structures that were regularly looted by vandals. In particular, the marauders cut off the metal sheets that supported the ceiling arches, which greatly complicated the work of the expedition, as the concrete layer, having lost its fixings, fell off from the ceiling with pieces. But this did not stop enthusiasts. At the end of September 2006, at the end of the prospecting, five expedition participants, using the archival plans discovered, examined the underground structures of the battery and made a description of them.

The performed works were documented in accordance with all the norms of legislation on security and search activities and gained recognition in the scientific world.

PR for PR

Of course, with the help of a youth organization it was impossible to implement such a large-scale project as the museumification of the “35 battery”, therefore from the very beginning the members of “Patriot” were looking for allies in this noble cause.

Alexander Vorobiev says: “We invited journalists, television, appealed to representatives of public organizations, political parties, all those who are not indifferent - Sevastopol and not only. Appealed to many. In particular, through I.F. Ermakova to Sergius Tigipko. They told about their plans openly, provided copies of the “Museumization Program” and other developed documents. Through Vadim Kolesnichenko went to the Party of Regions ... "

Addressing politicians, search engines could not even imagine that the holy theme of Sevastopol Golgotha ​​would become an object of political speculation. Wanting to realize a good thing for the city as soon as possible, they, of course, did not think that their practices, representing intellectual know-how, could be used by politicians.

Therefore, a real shock for the members of the organization was the appearance on the First Russian Channel in the “Wait for Me” program a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of the Party of Regions, known for his “humanitarian” initiatives, who in his own name sounded the 35 battery designation museum based on the concept developed Sevastopol social activists.

Later, in connection with the project of museum certification, the surname of Aleksei Chaly was increasingly mentioned. It is now considered in bad form to recall Chaly's ardent friendship with the Party of Regions. However, in the 2006 year, the future chairman of the Sevastopol ZakSa, according to the list of “regionals”, brought his five deputies to the Sevastopol city council. Among them were, in particular, Elena Bazhenova, director of the Laspi group of companies and TC NTS, and Andrei Semenov, head of security at Tavrida Electric. Recall that the city council 5-th convocation was the most scandalous. According to the dark schemes under the strict guidance of the Party of Regions hundreds of hectares of urban land, including near the sea, in parks, squares and groves, were illegally transferred to individuals. At that time, experts called Chaly the main “purse” of the local PR cell.

Of course, having a powerful, financial and organizational resource, it was easy for “regionals” to intercept the topic: to achieve the allocation of land through the City Council, to obtain the necessary approvals from the executive authorities. At the address where Tavrida Electric is located, the charity organization “35-I Coastal Battery” was registered, which began to accumulate and raise funds for the project.

In violation of the norms of scientific ethics, people who began research work on the battery were excluded from them. Instead, they attracted other professionals. Of course, social activists tried to protest. However, they were powerless against the powerful machine of the Party of Regions that drove the city.

As Alexander Vorobiev recalls, an attempt to have a heart-to-heart talk with a regional deputy, into the hands that the “Patriot” works and which used them so uncleanly, ended up in that he “sent us in three letters in plain text ...”

The Nazis were buried with Soviet soldiers ...

The project “35 battery” from the noble initiative of Sevastopol community activists turned into an element of political PR. And for politicians, as you know, all means are good. And since it was necessary to put the object into operation, as soon as possible, right for the next elections, they simply chose not to pay attention to many important problems related to the scientific and search parties.

The level of negligence of politicians who decided to become famous on the museumification of "35 battery", says the following fact. During the search, members of the Patriot discovered the remains of three German soldiers. In a hurry, the new owners of the “35 battery” did not particularly bother with what to do with them, but solemnly buried them, according to A.A. Vorobyov, together with the Soviet soldiers, apparently took the Nazis for the defenders of Sevastopol.

Of course, it cannot be denied that Alexey Chaly made a great personal and financial contribution to the creation of the memorial complex "35 battery". But in this story, as in all others, where the name of Alexei Mikhailovich appears, it is difficult to get rid of some ambiguity. On the one hand, good intentions and good deeds, and on the other, there is an unpleasant aftertaste, a steady feeling that you have been deceived somewhere. The case that began with deception, unfortunately, continues with deception.

It is believed that a visit to the museum complex is free of charge, as indicated in the announcement in large print of the museum complex website. However, here you can read that a group visit to the monument due to limited bandwidth is possible only by prior arrangement. As representatives of the Crimean travel agencies told us, these agreements include the compulsory payment of a charitable contribution of 800 rubles from one group, regardless of its size. At the same time, unlike all other museums, money should not be transferred on the fact of a visit, but only on a prepaid basis, after which the travel agency receives an approved schedule for the season. But the group may not gather, and the money is transferred forward, and no one returns it, since the funds are issued as “charitable donations”. Of course, donations can be considered symbolic, and they are unlikely to fully cover the costs incurred by a charitable organization. But control over the funds received in the form of charitable contributions, as is known, is not as strict as in the case of doing business. Yes, and taxes from charitable donations are not charged. So, there are new questions.

For many years it was customary to keep silent about the tragedy of the defenders of Sevastopol. But the truth can not be hidden and silenced. Therefore, we are confident that the newest history of the “35 battery” will sooner or later be made public without bills and defaults.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 21 February 2017 05: 51
    +6
    It seems that Putin will again have to figure out what is happening there ... everything requires a thorough verification of the facts by disinterested people ... and from fragmentary information it is difficult to see the whole picture of what is happening. what
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 21 February 2017 06: 17
      +23
      hi Welcome Alex!
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      It seems Putin will have to figure it out again

      It looks like Chaly crossed the path to someone and they are trying to remove and denigrate him!
      Of course, it cannot be denied that Aleksey Chaly made a great personal and financial contribution to the creation of the memorial complex “35 Battery”.

      and then such a throw-in ..
      As representatives of Crimean travel agencies told us, these arrangements include the mandatory payment of a charitable contribution of 800 rubles from one group, regardless of its size. At the same time, unlike all other museums, money should not be transferred after the visit, but only on an advance payment, after which the travel agency receives an approved schedule for the season. But the group may not get together, and the money will be transferred forward and no one will return it, since the funds are made out as “charitable donations”.

      Firstly, all travel agencies in such cases work on a prepaid basis, i.e. a group of tourists arrived, and they are told .... you wait there for a little extra care; maybe a free window will come up to visit !?
      Secondly, a very interesting expression As reported, representatives of Crimean travel agencies in this case, I would like to see, well, at least a small copy of the payment order, and so my wife wonders at the mirror every morning .... well, I’m right princess! I don’t feel myself a prince from this. bully
      Everything looks like a redistribution of property!
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 21 February 2017 06: 28
        +2
        Good morning SERGEY! hi
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 21 February 2017 09: 31
        +10
        Quote: Serg65
        It looks like Chaly crossed the path to someone and they are trying to remove and denigrate him!


        PR and resentment can be traced more likely in the social activist Molodtsov. Chaly is the main organizer and financier of the museum complex that exists today.
        Why does Chalom need PR? He was elected people's mayor in February 14th, when Russia had not decided anything yet. This is a mortal risk, not PR. And earlier with the battery it was the same.

        Without it, ruins and excavation plans would have remained.

        And social activists well done and Chaly. And there is nothing to share.
        1. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 21 February 2017 20: 56
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          Why does Chalom need PR? He was elected people's mayor in February 14th, when Russia had not decided anything yet. This is a mortal risk, not PR. And earlier with the battery it was the same.
          Without it, ruins and excavation plans would have remained.
          And social activists well done and Chaly. And there is nothing to share.

          I agree.
          Actually, there is one question about the 35th: Who allowed the construction of summer cottages on the site of terrible events.
          Why didn’t they explain to these "summer residents" that they take the plots not even to the cemetery, but directly to the hellish graveyard ...
          Even the most callous will ever figure it out ... I do not envy them ...
          They say that there is also a cottage for relatives of Kuchma there by the water ... What exactly he contributed to the "summer residents" ... The locals said ...

          As for A.M. Chalya.
          Already a legend. And there’s nothing to drive a wave.
          Everyone has mistakes.
          Culture is also individual.

          In Ukrainian time, I heard a lot of projects from local museums on the object ...
          I, a Leningrader, was terrified. Each time the question came down to self-sufficiency ... Some kind of nonsense ....
          It turned out not nonsense.
          So in reality they did. But, as I understood, they did not finish it ... And well ...

          But it would be better to demolish all the newly built memorials ... along with the dachas.
          They would restore their former appearance - red soil, hard grass, bare field, twisted iron ...
          Once upon a time fragments of vests hung on this iron ...
          Here is a photo of 2006:
          A modest monument at the entrance to the array.

          Shore, rocks, stones - the place of the last days and hours for thousands of Heroes ...

          And this is also a personal entrance right from the site of one of the summer residents to a private beach, a private parking of scooters ...

          Cottages on a hellish graveyard ...

          And this is the result of attracting tourists from patriots - the way to the place of the former pier of the 35th battery was made a parking lot, cut off for the convenience of tourists and bathers ... In the Blue Bay, where thousands of our Heroes died ...

          Areas untouched by the "restorers" sections of the 35th ...



          And this neighborhood is quite appropriate. Nearby in Cossack there are Russian marines ... and hydrographs ... and a dolphinarium ... and also, probably, something necessary and important ...
          1. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 22 February 2017 01: 47
            +2
            Here is a photo of 2006:
            Cottages on a hellish graveyard ...

            And this is the result of attracting tourists with museum-patriots, the way to the place of the former berth of the 35th battery was made a parking lot, cut off for the convenience of tourists and bathers ... In the Blue Bay, where thousands of our Heroes died ...
          2. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 22 February 2017 01: 49
            +3
            A modest monument at the entrance to the array.

            1. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 22 February 2017 01: 50
              +2
              And this is also a personal entrance right from the site of one of the summer residents to a private beach, a private parking of scooters ...
            2. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 22 February 2017 01: 51
              +2
              Shore, rocks, stones - the place of the last days and hours for thousands of Heroes ...
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 22 February 2017 05: 25
                +3
                Quote: Sergey S.
                Shore, rocks, stones - the place of the last days and hours for thousands of Heroes ...

                Thank you for photos. I also looked at all the available photos about this battery after the article.
                true or not, there is information that in recent days there has been defended and killed about 40 thousand our .....
                1. Sergey S.
                  Sergey S. 22 February 2017 08: 00
                  +2
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  true or not, there is information that in recent days there defended and killed about 40 thousand of our .....

                  The numbers are called different ...
                  As i imagine.
                  If you count from June 30, for all the remaining sections of resistance from Fiolent to Quarantine at least 70 thousand ... This is with the wounded and working units.
                  How many died, but did not give up, it turned out that there was no one to even tell. There are no witnesses left.
                  At least 30 thousand were captured.
                  They were treated horribly.
                  No one reported how many of them survived.

                  In some foci, resistance continued until July 12-14.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 24 February 2017 10: 31
                    +1
                    The most interesting memoirs of the participant of the defense of Sevastopol (until the last days) and Odessa Alexandrov Nikolai Ivanovich "Sevastopol armored train"
                    http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/aleksandrov_n
                    i / index.html

                    The man went through everything: landing, armored train, executions. concentration camps, shoots. The man from the "unkillable" cohort
                  2. evgeny2016
                    evgeny2016 April 1 2017 16: 10
                    0
                    according to German data, 68-69 thousand people were captured, but not a fact. that they were all military personnel. That there was a lot of metal is a fact, the boy was on the battery and there were pillboxes with armor caps 200-300 mm thick and 305 mm shells from the battery were below, the pattern fell off or the result of an explosion. According to the command of the coastal forces of the Black Sea Fleet, the main monument should stand on the 30th battery while it was in service and the city’s defense was held. Two volleys of battery were enough to stop the attack of the battalion.
        2. Ostromirov
          Ostromirov 24 February 2017 09: 45
          0
          The question of the so-called "personal financing" of the A. Chalym memorial from his own pocket remains an unanswered question.

          Who saw the “salary payments” to builders, designers, employees, utilities, etc., in which A. Chaly would be mentioned as the only and unique financier of the project?

          A. Chalym had already made movements in Sevastopol to attempt to unite all Sevastopol museums under the control of a single structure under his leadership, with the prospect of “pouring” a memorial on the 35th battery there, and financing this structure for the maintenance of Sevastopol museums was exclusively from the federal Russian budget .
      3. Egor. rustic
        Egor. rustic 21 February 2017 20: 04
        0
        I don’t understand what copies of the payment document you want to see when money is required as charity ?.
        or is charity now only a check is charity?
    2. Bastinda
      Bastinda 21 February 2017 08: 18
      +5
      Do not you think that this is somewhat not his level? Where is his team?
      We already have "crisis management", they said that the roads are bad - the order of the president. They said that the salary is not paid - the order of the president. Chaly wanders not there - the order of the president.
      Apparently he is an openly fig-based manager, there is such a law - you can’t organize it, do it yourself.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 21 February 2017 08: 26
        +6
        Do not you think that this is somewhat not his level? Where is his team?

        The PUTIN team is the same nobles, boyars and service people, and since ancient times, people have relied on the good tsar-priest and scolded bad boyars and nobles.

        In fact, little has changed in the relationship in this society ... where problems begin to roll over and the boyars become impudent, the tsar’s intervention is needed to calm the situation ... otherwise a riot with the ensuing consequences.
        1. Bastinda
          Bastinda 21 February 2017 08: 48
          +9
          The king is good, are the boyars bad?
          Do not you think that in the current situation, the management of such a system exceeds the capabilities of one person? One is not able to cover all areas requiring attention.
          And he could pick up a team for himself. And since we have a thief on a thief, + incompetence, + "maybe carry it", the question arises: "the king is not real ???".
          1. Senior manager
            Senior manager 21 February 2017 09: 38
            +5
            Dear Fairy, the GDP is picking up a team, for example, I see how the top of power is being built, you won’t take the first person you meet, the process is going on, I would like it to be faster, but we don’t need revolutions and reforms, are fed up. In Russia there has always been an acute question with honest people in power. The last example is a sweet couple of State Duma deputies, and the percentage of those in the Duma, as well as in society, is sufficient. In this (selection) of boyars, I support the President: Hurry up slowly.
            1. Bastinda
              Bastinda 21 February 2017 12: 00
              +11
              17 years? Is it slow? Yes, it doesn’t! Considering that you still can’t see the teams. During this time, do not form a team that you trust? Examples of China, Germany 33-39, what are they talking about?
        2. Egor. rustic
          Egor. rustic 21 February 2017 20: 09
          +3
          Quote: The same Lech
          Do not you think that this is somewhat not his level? Where is his team?

          The PUTIN team is the same nobles, boyars and service people, and since ancient times, people have relied on the good tsar-priest and scolded bad boyars and nobles.

          In fact, little has changed in the relationship in this society ... where problems begin to roll over and the boyars become impudent, the tsar’s intervention is needed to calm the situation ... otherwise a riot with the ensuing consequences.

          people do not stupid. Stalin organized so that the team worked without him. and he understood everything and no one rebelled.
          and at least it took time to find the right people.
          the bad dancer's eggs are to blame.
          1. EternalStranger
            EternalStranger 24 February 2017 00: 22
            0
            Stalin was already cursed by the hero of Russia Kadyrov.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 21 February 2017 13: 02
      +1
      If a charitable organization reimburses expenses for itself, then what is charity? Again muddy something. request
    4. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 21 February 2017 21: 54
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech
      It seems Putin will again have to deal with what is happening there ...

      Already the name go. From ...
      Correctly:
      Sevastopol 35th battery. The story of immortality.
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  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 21 February 2017 06: 17
    +11
    ... materials "in Sevastopol" began to appear more and more often. And it definitely suggests. Who benefits from this? If it’s one thing for people and for the people, if undercover games and orders are another thing, but there are certain authorities for this ...
    1. Egor. rustic
      Egor. rustic 21 February 2017 20: 12
      0
      if there are materials, there is something to improve.
      In short, everything that’s being done is for the best.
      more materials.
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 21 February 2017 08: 19
    +7
    Is public opinion being formed?
  4. bbss
    bbss 21 February 2017 08: 26
    +8
    By chance, I happened to be on the 35th battery many times. In the 80s, next to the battery, dacha plots were cut to Sevastopol marines. I came to a friend and regularly practiced "corvée" on his patch of land. They cleared the site of stones and traces of the war. Then he showed me the remains of a large underground structure overgrown with weeds. I was struck by the view of the portal with traces of bullets and shells. They held the defense there ... They did not surrender from hopelessness, but stood to their death. Otherwise, nothing can explain such numerous damages.
    The last defenders were shot from anti-aircraft guns. At that time, a stele with a memorial inscription already stood on the ceiling of the main caponier .. In the mid-2000s, a stele appeared in front of the portal. In my opinion, not a very good place. I climbed inside. Then it was unsafe. A visit to this place was and remains one of the most powerful impressions.
  5. Alceers
    Alceers 21 February 2017 08: 30
    +14
    Material with a shower. Explicit ordering at Chaly. Is it normal to accuse a person of having connections with the largest that moment in volume still a state political party to implement a noble cause? In the furnace, this opus ...
    1. stew
      stew 21 February 2017 10: 12
      +4
      True real ordering as well as previous articles about gasfort and so on. It is beneficial to someone to harm.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 21 February 2017 11: 31
        +1
        Maskva always and everywhere (from Yaroslavl and Penza arrived) steers. Federal money and near-power friends will crush the small-town ones. In the past, I wrote on n \ n 1.2.3.4.
    2. Egor. rustic
      Egor. rustic 21 February 2017 20: 17
      0
      Yes, yes, and all ordering is unnecessary. We have all officials sinless heroes. in the furnace of all who criticize. and the main thing is to check the info is unnecessary is zakazuha. definitely. without any doubts. and those who doubt let them go tries ...
      and then we ourselves say - the people deserve their rulers.
      but I do not deserve such shit.
  6. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 21 February 2017 08: 34
    +5
    How tired of all this mouse fuss, to "debunk" the heroes. Yesterday, the hero, today is not very, and tomorrow, in general, a bad person. We remember what the free circulation with history and its heroes leads to. Be careful and consistent in your assessments.
    1. Egor. rustic
      Egor. rustic 21 February 2017 20: 21
      +1
      where are the Sevastopol? why not tell what the heroism of Chaly?
      oh well what good has done in Sevastopol over the past 3 years? Or was there little time? Do you need 30 years as Putin?
      Stalin in one 5-year period did more than the present in 17 years. and most importantly without petrodollars.
    2. Ostromirov
      Ostromirov 23 February 2017 10: 38
      0
      There is no debunking.

      And there is the deepest perplexity, why did a man named A. Chaly designate himself as a super-hero and personally marry himself with the halo of a gig patriot?

      All his activities during the “Russian Spring” came down not to “fights in the trenches”, but to cabinet picking over a certain “support of the vital activity of the urban economy”. That is - a sort of supply manager. Moreover, for all that, utilities did not run anywhere and the urban infrastructure was not broken.
  7. bionik
    bionik 21 February 2017 08: 34
    +8
    Destroyed turret gun installation №1 35-th coastal battery of Sevastopol.

    The 35th tower coastal battery, together with the 30th battery, became the basis of the artillery power of the defenders of Sevastopol and fired at the enemy until the last shell. The Germans did not succeed in crushing our batteries either with artillery fire or with the help of aviation. On July 1, 1942, the 35th battery fired the last 6 rounds of direct fire at the advancing infantry of the enemy, and on the night of July 2, the commander of the battery, captain Leshchenko, organized a battery blast.
    1. Ostromirov
      Ostromirov 22 February 2017 11: 37
      0
      The 35th battery, as something seriously annoying the Germans, is not mentioned at all: neither in memoirs, nor in documents.

      The 30th, being at the forefront of the German summer offensive on the city in 1942, was a real knot of heroic resistance to the Nazis.

      The 35th battery was no basis for the artillery power of the defenders.
      According to archival data, 80% of all firing by the 35th battery during the entire defense took place in areas. That is, without any fixation of their effectiveness.

      The 35th battery - "Fort Maxim Gorky II" in Hitler's terminology - only becomes known in the very last days of defense as a place of heroism of ordinary city defenders and the disgrace of their commanders.
  8. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 21 February 2017 08: 51
    +10
    Something, yes, there began to appear a lot of all kinds of garbage around Sevastopol, etc. But if you think about it, the "casket just opens" is a matter of banal money and ambitions. In Crimea, now there is simply huge funding to the detriment of the remaining regions of Russia, and such money cannot be left without attention of both the local rushers and our Russian. When I was on an administrative trip to Crimea last year, I was unpleasantly struck by the fact that Crimeans disliked those who came from Russia to establish cooperation between the peninsula and Russia. -they expressed their rejection in every possible way, like "we got into trouble here, organized everything here, and you came to get ready to" cut "our denyuzhki - we ourselves know everything and can handle it, we’ll manage without you, we’ve only denyuzhki let's "- a kind of small town separatism-" give your money and quickly get out of our "house", and there is no understanding at all that Russia itself is in a difficult position and climbs out of its last skin in order to please the Crimeans, only demanding not to shut their mouths MONEY: MONEY and MONEY again and so we don’t “bother” them ..... until now, Crimeans have no idea that since you have become part of Russia, Russia should not only take care of you, but also control and introduce its own the institutes of statehood and law, and this is a local wrecker accustomed to living according to "concepts" oh, I don’t like it ... In general, Crimea, or rather, communication with its administrative apparatus, left far from favorable impressions. There is strong parochian separatism and I’m afraid it will still give us go fishing pain in the future ...
    1. Bastinda
      Bastinda 21 February 2017 12: 07
      +5
      So you talked at a high level. Ordinary people most likely do not care about the redistribution of feeders. And such articles just confirm that no one is going to work honestly. You just need to squeeze the feeder from the previous owner. (We are talking about the powers that be)
    2. Fotoceva62
      Fotoceva62 21 February 2017 14: 04
      +5
      We Sevastopol did not ask for anything and didn’t take anything from anyone to the detriment. We returned home, saved ourselves and yes we do not like that there is a mess in the house. As we can, we put things in order. We believe in Russia and just live.
    3. Egor. rustic
      Egor. rustic 21 February 2017 20: 27
      +2
      At the beginning of 2000, a Crimean partner told me that they did not want to either Russia or Ukraine want to live on their own. In general, half of the regions also think nothing new. and all thanks to power.
    4. asher
      asher 22 February 2017 03: 31
      +2
      And all state policy is now very, very confusing. It is rare that anyone can directly say what we are going to and what we are striving for. Across the Crimea, there is also not enough courage to say that this is, firstly and, most importantly, a large military base that controls the Black Sea, secondly, a center of tourism and summer recreation, and thirdly, a small agricultural area. No one is obliged to allocate huge funds for the construction of paradise in a single region. Everything should be in moderation.
  9. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 21 February 2017 08: 57
    +12
    "A rogue traitor, Sevastopol residents are ungrateful little people ..." !!! The author would be ashamed to throw this dung on the fan. Chaly and like-minded people created a memorial and honor to them and respect from the Citizens of Sevastopol.
    The townspeople did not accept either the thief and the drunk Menyaylo and Belaventsev as "saviors and leaders of the Sevastopol Spring", they would not accept Gopnik Zaldostanov lured by unscrupulous developers.
    It is useless for Sevastopol residents to hang noodles on their ears, we saw how everything happened and made a story ourselves, which the city cannot forgive. There is a fourth defense, now from the thieves from the mainland, but we believe that ... Russia will rise from sleep ... and be cleansed of filth. Before dawn, the thickest twilight.
    1. Bastinda
      Bastinda 21 February 2017 12: 09
      +2
      How could you ??? Zaldostanov even rode along with Putin! It can't be bad ;-)
    2. Egor. rustic
      Egor. rustic 21 February 2017 20: 30
      0
      Explain on the fingers as with a visit to the battery. if there are restrictions, then in what order is determined who can visit and who not,
      here the answer to this question will be the best defense of Chaly and not stupid - we will figure it out ourselves
    3. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 21 February 2017 21: 14
      +6
      Quote: Fotoceva62
      It is useless for Sevastopol residents to hang noodles on their ears, we saw how everything happened and made a story ourselves, which the city cannot forgive. There is a fourth defense, now from the thieves from the mainland, but we believe that ... Russia will rise from sleep ... and be cleansed of filth. Before dawn, the thickest twilight.

      For me personally, Sevastopol is the last hope.
      The penultimate is Leningrad.

      And when shit accumulates in the soul from the daily sensations of reality ....
      I'm going to Sevastopol ...
      By the way, I’ve already collected about a year and a half of life in Sevastopol, rarely on business trips, more often on vacation ...
      There on Suzdalskaya in Chertovaya Balka, in Streletskaya, on Fiolent on a battery and on the shore where Rubtsov’s soldiers died, in Khersones in the ancient cemetery where the scouts of the fleet took their last battle, in the fraternal cemetery, on Malakhov Kurgan, on Sapun-mountain,. .. there my soul is cleansed ...
      Thank you Sevastopol!
    4. Ostromirov
      Ostromirov 22 February 2017 15: 51
      +1
      Zaldavstan with his bikers was the most expensive guest at the “35th Battery” memorial in 2014 and 2015, laying flowers there, and A. Chalym met with open arms.

      What then happened with time and who is the gopnik now?
  10. karelia molot
    karelia molot 21 February 2017 11: 00
    +1
    Vytser - such a vytser ... Why? A Schaub Bulo. VO, where are you going? Are we on the way?
  11. Alex_59
    Alex_59 21 February 2017 11: 39
    +11
    Obviously, this article should be a continuation of the topic about the failed Patriot park and lead the reader to the idea that the Patriot park is good, but it is disturbed by all sorts of Chaly, who, although they built the 35 Battery Museum, are still bad people . Not convincing. It seems like an order, and not an attempt to objectively cover events.
    I am also a little Sevastopol. He lived in the city, albeit on short visits. My uncle is on Kalf and now lies - he gave his life to the city. My grandfather on this 35-th battery was in June 42-th and, by a lucky chance, did not stay there - he flew away one of the last. When I once again come to my native and infinitely beloved Sevastopol, where will I go? In a certain "Patriot" or on the 35 battery? I will go to the 35 battery. To bow to those who have not left there, and to remember how my grandfather left in order to return in two years.
    So we don’t need here about Chaly. Whether he is good or bad - God bless him, and thanks to the museum for anyone who built it all the same.
    1. Egor. rustic
      Egor. rustic 21 February 2017 20: 34
      +1
      my first thought and who made indifference. but what about visiting the Fritz horseradish in the same grave as a Soviet soldier?
      in short, questions have been raised and are waiting for answers.
  12. Polkanov
    Polkanov 21 February 2017 13: 10
    +4
    "It was customary to remain silent about the tragedy of the defenders of Sevastopol for many years." - quote. Since what years has it been customary to remain silent about the defenders of Sevastopol? In the 70s, I already knew about people left without leadership, about champagne for the wounded, about the unsuccessful work of the Black Sea Fleet. And in 80-90 it raced that there wasn’t enough paper for publications ....
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 February 2017 14: 28
      +3
      Quote: Polkanov
      In the 70s, I already knew about people left without leadership, about champagne for the wounded, about the failure of the Black Sea Fleet.

      In the spring and summer of 1942, the fleet did everything it could.
      They tried to supply Sevastopol with escort vehicles. It turned out that even an EM has its own air defense is not enough for self-defense - and you have to reflect the raids fire and maneuverwalking away from a covered ship. In addition, the port facilities in Sevastopol were insufficient for the operational unloading of even single TRs, which made them a target for the Germans.
      They tried to supply Sevastopol with warships. It turned out that the 8th air corps could even sink maneuvering EM.
      The last hope remained submarines.

      And by the summer of 1942, the Black Sea Fleet itself, after all the landings, the Sevastopol express train and the loss of all pre-war remnant capacities, had shrunk to a flotilla: 1-2 missiles, 1-2 LD, 3-5 EM and 1-2 SKR remained combat-ready.
      1. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 21 February 2017 21: 19
        +2
        Quote: Alexey RA
        In the spring and summer of 1942, the fleet did everything it could.

        True.
        The fleet does not need to make excuses.
        And let the spiteful critics remember that time will pass, the TRUTH will shake off political slop, and one will be ashamed, and the other will be scared.
      2. Ostromirov
        Ostromirov 22 February 2017 15: 43
        +2
        Learn the mathematical part of Alexey RA.

        In 1944, the Black Sea Fleet included: 1 battleship (battleship), 4 cruisers, 6 destroyers, 113 small hunters, 47 torpedo boats, 29 submarines.

        From 1942 until 1944, new ships were not built ...
        1. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 22 February 2017 23: 12
          0
          Quote: Ostromir
          Learn the mathematical part of Alexey RA.

          In 1944, the Black Sea Fleet included: 1 battleship (battleship), 4 cruisers, 6 destroyers, 113 small hunters, 47 torpedo boats, 29 submarines.

          From 1942 until 1944, new ships were not built ...

          Understand first, and then ...
          1. Ostromirov
            Ostromirov 23 February 2017 10: 29
            0
            What to understand, Sergey S.? Is it that you, along with Alexey RA, do not own information on the composition of the naval group of the Black Sea Fleet of the period 1942-1944?

            So we figured it out ...

            What did you want to say?
        2. evgeny2016
          evgeny2016 April 1 2017 16: 29
          0
          The whole point is not in the composition of the naval group of the operating fleet. World War II showed that the one who owns the sky wins the war. We did not have long-range fighter aircraft or long-range aviation. Long-range aviation TB-3 was used for other purposes, the Romanian port of Constanta was unsuccessfully bombed. The war turned back after the official gain of superiority in the sky of the Kuban (1943). And that destruction of the command personnel of the army and navy hiccuped until the end of the war.
  13. vetor
    vetor 21 February 2017 13: 31
    +11
    He took part in excavations on the 35th and found three fighters, one had the Order of Lenin and the caliper was the order belonged to Semyon Prokuda, senior master of art workshops of the Black Sea Fleet. He received this Lenin for replacing the trunks on the 30th and 35th batteries. In addition, he supervised the installation of guns from damaged ships on stationary batteries.
    1. evgeny2016
      evgeny2016 April 1 2017 16: 17
      0
      If this is him, then this is a legendary person. The book described in detail the case of how an old master from an art factory using batteries (30) changed the barrels on the towers under enemy fire.
  14. Sergey Kiryushin
    Sergey Kiryushin 21 February 2017 16: 44
    +5
    I can’t judge people, but I can judge the results. As far as I understand, the memorial on this battery was built not without the serious financial participation of Chaly. For this he needs to say thanks. It is obvious. Also, judging by recent publications, some confrontation for the Patriot Park is evident not without the participation of bikers. My personal opinion is to either remain a biker or become a formal state structure. Well, there cannot be an informal movement with an import name and paraphernalia the flagship of the patriotic movement. This is nonsense. Yes, and this Zlatozadov or whatever it is does not at all look like a worthy character.
  15. Sergey152
    Sergey152 21 February 2017 18: 42
    +4
    "Every revolution is conceived by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and the inveterate villains take advantage of its fruits."
    Alexander Alexandrovich Vorobyov, Oleg Eduardovich Molodtsov - in my opinion, romance; Aleksei Mikhailovich Chaly is a fanatic, nevertheless, to finance such a breakthrough of bureaucracy and work ... I bow to him for that. I was on the battery there in 2014. right after the reunion, and I can’t even imagine how much he had to bring money to the necessary rooms, and how much to spend on restoration ... But if it weren’t for him, there would be chicken coops there for vacationers. And now the question is - who is the scoundrel who wants to use the results? Well, the author of a custom article was paid, it’s clear, but by WHOM?
  16. asher
    asher 22 February 2017 03: 23
    +3
    Probably, many residents of Sevastopol do not even think about what land they walk on and thanks to whom they live. After visiting the 35th battery in the Blue Bay, I will never swim and have fun, but someone built houses literally on the bones and blood of heroes and lives without hesitation. Although, if you look at the cost of houses in the region of 35 batteries, you get the feeling that the new owners have snickered, have established a new order and crap the memory of the soldiers of the Red Army with a feeling of special inner satisfaction. So dear AFTAR must picket these mansions and seek their demolition, and not croak 35 batteries over the museum. Whether its organizers did something well, but, most importantly, thousands of people become cleaner in their souls and worship the true heroes of a real great country, and not glamorous freaks. Often stand under the starry sky in the main hall of the museum, often look at the faces of hundreds of thousands of people who died in this place, and maybe your soul will wake up and cry.
  17. Ostromirov
    Ostromirov 22 February 2017 10: 29
    +1
    There is no museum on the 35th battery. It is in the sense that is inherent in this concept.

    A third of the territory is “flooded” with concrete. In the remaining two thirds of the territory - no search work was carried out by the employees of this institution and the territory was not actually sanitized. How many more remains of the defenders of the city lie in the overgrown with rough hills, past which visitors walk and on which nobody knows. And they, these remains, are certainly there. Confirmation of this - quite by chance discovered on the trail along which thousands of people passed, the remains of the weapons master Prokuda.

    Behind the external and bloated pomp of this memorial lies a completely superficial, but in essence - disregard for our historical memory.
  18. Ostromirov
    Ostromirov 22 February 2017 11: 53
    +1
    Quote: The same Lech
    and so, according to fragmentary information, it is difficult to see the whole picture of what is happening. what


    On the official website of this memorial there is no information about any commemorative events related to the tragic death of a part of the battery personnel on December 17, 1941 during an explosion in the second tower. But the grave of the dead artillerymen is on the territory of the memorial ... But the celebration of February 23 was announced. Is it like - from an excess of patriotism or from an all-consuming PR publicism and nonsense? You are right - it would be nice to figure out what is going on there ...
  19. Stoic77
    Stoic77 23 February 2017 10: 24
    0
    I was on this battery with my wife in September 2013, half a year before the end of the occupation of Crimea by the Kiev regime. I heard that the creation of this memorial was made possible thanks to Chalom. They gathered on the bones of the dead defenders to build a cottage village. They did not give the bastards. Although part of the battery is still built up by the private sector. That departed authority had nothing sacred, and now it doesn’t. It is not surprising that with such an attitude towards our shrines, 97% of the inhabitants of Crimea spat in Judo-Bandera pork hari through their will at a referendum in the spring of 2014.
    An incredible fortification with many tunnels, incredible heroism, incredible tragedy of mass death in the last days of defense due to the lack of evacuation of defenders.
  20. Protos
    Protos 27 February 2017 20: 26
    0
    The newly arrived Vikings are trying to fight Chaly in every way!
    The article is a complete juggling of facts and half-truths.
    I say, as a person who spent all summer months in childhood in the Blue Bay and climbed the 35th battery along and across (I also found those times when there were wiring in the treads and transitions on the walls and the lamps were screwed in, the diesel engines were on the foundation, and the floors of the blown up part of the battery were strewn with bones, parts of ammunition, cartridges, shells, fragments interspersed with fragments of equipment and reinforced concrete) and saw with his own everything that was happening to her after the death of the USSR ...
    Passing through the gallery (absolutely dry and clean by the way throughout) to the left rangefinder post, we, at 12-17 years old, with the girls, descended in brackets to the third underground floor of the NDP and from the "pants" of the explosion-proof gallery descended along the rope ladder to the wild shore of the Cossack Bay (where you could only go by boat) yes
    1. evgeny2016
      evgeny2016 April 1 2017 16: 23
      0
      This article is an offended person. He did a search job, but he was not appreciated. But those who died did not even think that they would become immortal. And according to the battery itself, copies of the thirtieth, the Germans recognized these structures as unique. Someone read somewhere that the covers of a large thickness of Dotov batteries were welded in place by constructing small ovens. Armor steel brewed in place!
  21. SIT
    SIT April 3 2017 10: 58
    0
    Quote: Ostromir
    There is no debunking.
    And there is the deepest perplexity, why did a man named A. Chaly designate himself as a super-hero and personally marry himself with the halo of a gig patriot?
    All his activities during the “Russian Spring” came down not to “fights in the trenches”, but to cabinet picking over a certain “support of the vital activity of the urban economy”. That is - a sort of supply manager. Moreover, for all that, utilities did not run anywhere and the urban infrastructure was not broken.

    And you do not take into account that the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs, and especially the SBU, also did not scatter anywhere? Or maybe you do not know how everywhere and always suppress popular unrest? The first step is to neutralize the leaders. Of course, they don’t put on a stake like in the old days, but there is no person there is no problem as before. You try not to argue retroactively from the sofa, sitting on it in the back seat, but imagine yourself in February 2014 and think about what to do next. If, of course, you graduated from the special intelligence department of the RVVDKU and then worked in more than one project in foreign countries, then this will be difficult, but possible. As far as I know, Chaly A.M. I’ve been doing other things all my life.
  22. iz odessy
    iz odessy 30 July 2017 12: 59
    0
    This is only a piece of truth for Sevastopol that the so-called "party of regions" in the forehead with azarov was. bastards from politics and hucksters - close symbiosis. You should not be surprised for "ours today" in the rest of Ukraine. The Azarov party immediately became the "CPSU90x". It is a pity that the Russian Federation sheltered them in heaps, and does not issue them on a "commercial basis" -bandera.
    Regarding the memorial, 100% is needed precisely with the idea of ​​"heroes abandoned by bastards-commanders." There is no way to deprive the already dead "heroes of defense", washed away from fighters in a submarine, but there is a monument to them

    Cottages, etc., privatized crap, those that interfere with this, are taken away, I think and I know from Odessa, these "regional villains" handed out everything not for free and always with fraud. Dig documents and "ends will pop up"
  23. nerpa
    nerpa 10 March 2020 19: 37
    0
    There were a group of 4 people on a 35 battery in August 2019. I really liked it. A short comment on the article. Really, You can’t enter the complex freely, only as part of the tour.... but tickets Free... At the box office they warned that the beginning of the next excursion at (conditionally) 13:00, collection on the announcement. Prior to the beginning, we had a free cinema at our disposal, which showed films of the corresponding theme. There is a cafe. It was hot, we decided to go to the "Blue Bay" beach. Bought. I would like to say that it is a free museum complex with a guided tour. On Sapun Mountain, a visit to the diorama of defense of Sevastopol costs 400 rubles per person!