Finns buy South Korean "Thunders"

On Friday, the Finnish Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the purchase of 48-i SAU K9 Thunder (“Thunder”) in South Korea, reports Warspot.

According to the Finnish military, the contract value was € 146 million. This amount, in addition to tools, included the cost of spare parts, service and crew training.

The first batch should arrive in Finland this year, the final one in 2024. self-propelled guns are scheduled to be adopted in 2 year.

K9 Thunder will have to replace in the Finnish army obsolete SAU "Gvozdika", which is planned to be written off completely before the 2030 year.

“According to the 2016 year, the 36 units 2С1 122 mm caliber carnation (Finnish designation - PsH 74) is in service with the Finnish army,” the publication says.

At the same time, the Finns are considering the possibility of increasing the volume of the contract, as well as purchases together with Estonia, which is also interested in buying K9.

K9 Thunder - 155-mm self-propelled artillery, the development of which began in the year 1989. After 10, the SAU began to enter the South Korean army. The gun is capable of hitting targets at a distance of more than 40 km (when using Excalibur projectiles, over 50 km).

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[aleksfill]

Neighbors are neutral, as it were.

[Juborg]

Quote: aleksfill

Neighbors are neutral, as it were.

Neutrals are neutrals, and the size of the army is increased to 280 thousand people. Today, Ukraine has approximately the same army. So the Finns have a population of just 5.5 mil. Think about it, they will be neutral or, as always, on the side of the aggressor ?!

[Thirteenth]

The Finns would not have abandoned Karelia.

[cniza]

Quote: Thirteenth

The Finns would not have abandoned Karelia.

And whoever gives them, wanting is not harmful.

[bouncyhunter]

And do you want fertilizers on the shovel ???

[Veteran]

And Poland must give Danzig, West Prussian, Silesian and Pomeranian lands.

[Caa]

Quote: Thirteenth

The Finns would not have abandoned Karelia.

And Karelians from Finland

[Semurg]

Quote: caa

Quote: Thirteenth

The Finns would not have abandoned Karelia.

And Karelians from Finland

Karelian-Finnish ASSR?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Semurg

Karelian-Finnish ASSR?

Moreover, since the “Winter War” and the Russian army the possibilities, to put it mildly, are different. Yes, and the Finnish army, to put it mildly, is not the same ... Maybe cancel Lenin's kindness? .... The referendum, kind people and all - Finland is ours ...
Rzhu, of course ... In figs is that Finland for us? We have 20 kilometers from the city on the Volga - and the steppe to the horizon in any direction. And in Siberia, 100 kilometers to either side of the taiga ... How many Finland are in the Krasnoyarsk Territory ?????

[Captain Nemo]

Well, why on the fig? In Finland, cottages are good :-)

[Alex777]

What about import substitution?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Captain Nemo

Well, why on the fig? In Finland, cottages are good :-)

Yes, we ourselves can build worse ... I speak responsibly, since my company also deals with cottages too - from fences to eighteen-story buildings, we are building everything and we have nothing to learn from the Finns.

[inkass_98]

Quote: Zoldat_A

and we have nothing to learn from the Finns.

In terms of construction - maybe. But shipbuilding is at their level, and they are using Finnish marine diesels half the world.

[Topotun]

They once did their diesel engines. Can I raise it?

[commbatant]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: Semurg

Karelian-Finnish ASSR?

Moreover, since the “Winter War” and the Russian army the possibilities, to put it mildly, are different. Yes, and the Finnish army, to put it mildly, is not the same ... Maybe cancel Lenin's kindness? .... The referendum, kind people and all - Finland is ours ...
Rzhu, of course ... In figs is that Finland for us? We have 20 kilometers from the city on the Volga - and the steppe to the horizon in any direction. And in Siberia, 100 kilometers to either side of the taiga ... How many Finland are in the Krasnoyarsk Territory ?????

Opportunities like we had other before, read the History of the Great Patriotic War, in terms of Finland getting out of the war ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: commbatant

read the history of the Great Patriotic War

I have two "Great Patriotic War stories" came from the Great Patriotic War - father and grandfather, not counting other relatives ... Plus I studied at Soviet school grew up Soviet films and books about the war. Plus a complete courtyard during my childhood, "Uncle Sasha, Uncle Petya, etc.", who liberated Warsaw, who stormed Königsberg, who fought in Stalingrad, who took Berlin ... So everything that a normal citizen of Russia about the Great Patriotic War is supposed to know - I know. And about Finland, too. Read and heard ...

[Berkut24]

So, do not confuse and do not scare people!
The army of dates has only 5000 people. The rest are reservists.

[Veteran]

Not certainly in that way. The total strength of the Armed Forces ("defense forces") of Finland is approx. 35 thousand people. In the initial period of the war, ground forces are formed as part of the ground forces, which includes combat ready and mobilization units of general troops with a high degree of readiness, and local defense units. The deployment time for 2 is 3 days. Here is their total number and is increasing to 280 thousand people, i.e. close to the size of mobresource - 300 thousand people. The total reserve of Finland is 340 thousand people.

[Berkut24]

In general, you can agree, but 5000 is the amount of instant readiness, so to speak. We have more than a million MOs. "Belligerent" personnel of about 850 people. We remove the fleet, rear aviation, etc. The remainder is the ground forces, which are ready here and now - 000. It would never occur to the beginning of a nuclear war to begin to call up another 250 people because they will not have time. They do not even have time to notify.
So it is in Finland. No one will give time to mobilize. There will be no 2 days. There will be 5000 people ready for battle. The remaining 30 (minus vacationers, patients, etc.) will have to organize mobilization, distribution of weapons, ammunition, food and communications.
No matter how much was collected in instant readiness, Finland understands that this is nothing compared to the fact that in one day it can appear on the other side of the border. And nothing about that first forward strike by aviation and tactical missiles that will knock out the mobilization infrastructure.

[Veteran]

5 thousand Finnish warriors of "instant readiness" do not correspond to today's reality. The Finnish ground forces include 12 brigades, the staff of the peacetime brigade 1,5 - 2 thousand people. (in military 6,8 thousand) + ZA regiments + SpO battalion + helicopter squadron, total 16 thousand people. In addition to the SV, there are Air Force 3,8 thousand people. and Navy 3,5 thousand people So we go beyond 20 thousand already ready for combat. They have only conscripts over 16 thousand

[kapitan92]

Quote: aleksfill

Neighbors are neutral, as it were.

So what? Neighbors, while the neutrals! I do not understand the problem. Russia is re-equipping with new promising systems, Finland decided to replace the fleet of old self-propelled guns with new, more powerful and promising ones. What is the problem?

[Wolka]

with all this, it is very interesting how South Korean saushi will behave in the climate of Suomi ...

[alone]

and not how, self-propelled guns are designed for use in weather conditions +50 - 50 degrees.

[Shurik70]

Quote: lonely

and not how, self-propelled guns are designed for use in weather conditions +50 - 50 degrees.

Practice often throws up unexpected surprises.
And what worked in the jungle may fail in the swamp.
Moreover, a frozen swamp

[alone]

No one is safe from surprises. This can be with any equipment from any country. And your equipment is no exception.

[alone]

purely military.
The Finns make a very smart decision. They change 122mm to 155mm. Besides, they win about 16km against active-reactive OBs at 40km.
And 146 million for 48pcs, + maintenance, repair and training is a good price.

[Franciscan]

Old ones will be sold. and beat off something.

[bulvas]

Quote: Franciscan

Old ones will be sold. and beat off something.

Moreover, there is someone to sell the old

[Franciscan]

The junk will push the kaklam away, along with BC.

[xetai9977]

I would say a great price! Great SPGs, one of the best in the world. 3 million apiece.

[Franciscan]

I agree, a great price tag.

[Alex777]

After the Coalition, the best.
Even the Germans were overtaken.

[Hedgehog]

Here are the Finns swarmed, woof woof are going to do.

[Shadowcat]

Information for reflection:
During military operations (any - from a counter-terrorist operation to a military collision with a neighbor and aliens) there is a probability of loss of military equipment (ammunition consumption, loss of crew and be lowered).
In the case of non-production of strange required equipment, where to replenish the departed?

[Skifotavr]

Quote: ShadowCat

In the case of non-production of strange required equipment, where to replenish the departed?

Buy or rent, paying what is. Well, or beg for some ...

[Shadowcat]

Quote: Skifotavr

Buy or rent, paying what is.

It will be fun to see the delivery in current realities;)

Quote: Skifotavr

Well, or beg for some ... winked

Again rests on delivery.

Although I'm afraid there will be a problem with the retraining of crews and supplies in both cases.

[Franciscan]

From storage warehouses.

[Shadowcat]

Is logical. Crews who know how to use them and ammunition (considering consumption), too?

[demiurg]

Well done, one word. Take the best in the world. The advantages of non-blocking are obvious.

[Proton]

and why do Finns have such formidable guns, from one end of Finland to the other end to shoot?

[xetai9977]

"and why do the Finns ...."
probably said the same in 1939 ..

[Svarog51]

They didn’t just talk, but offered to swap territories “for good,” that is, diplomatically. If they didn’t "rest", there would be no such fact as the Winter War in our history.

[Franciscan]

Normal move, get rid of junk and buy something new.

[haenx]

Thunder is the development of German weapons designers. Automatic transmission for self-propelled guns manufactured by the company Daimler from Germany. Because sales of self-propelled guns are made only with the permission of Germany.

[Caretaker]

The goal is the transition to the NATO caliber. In case of war.

[Franciscan]

well, they don’t have their own production. Russia in the event of war will not sell. so the benefit is on the face. By and large, Russia would also do well to have 155 caliber guns. They are more common and more common. and the market for military equipment will expand if something happens.

[Svarog51]

So "Acacia", "Msta-S" and "Kaolitsiya-SV" have a caliber of 152 mm, that is, 6-inch. Surely, if necessary, they can deliver the NATO caliber of 155 mm.

[Siberian]

Quote: Svarog51

So "Acacia", "Msta-S" and "Kaolitsiya-SV" have a caliber of 152 mm, that is, 6-inch. Surely, if necessary, they can put the NATO caliber of 155 mm.

What do you mean? Recycle our self-propelled gun barrel under 155 mm? Do you think that here, as in small arms, you can simply change the barrel to a different caliber ??? Or am I misunderstood something?

[Svarog51]

I wanted to say that there are developments. As the saying goes: "Any excuses for your grandmother."

[Siberian]

Sense to us to produce (develop) self-propelled guns for NATO calibers? (exception weapons for the Airborne Forces) unless, for sale to a potential enemy ... and then, no one will buy IMHO.

[Svarog51]

There is always meaning. For example, we bought finns from South Korea installations with BC. The transport with the BC arrived safely, and with the Grads it fell into a storm and drown (or someone helped). And here is our proposal: "Acacia" for your BC you do not want to purchase? Inexpensive! " How do you like this?

[Siberian]

Funny layout)))

[Zlat070]

From the video I did not understand, are there two slaughtering chtoli? One puts a shell, and the second charge? And inside the tower they pull the rope? A couple of kapets! In my 2С3М we even clicked on a button, and there was one slaughtering one!

[SCHNIFER]

https://topwar.ru/4105-korejskaya-sau-k9-thunder-
populyarnaya-klassika.html

[SCHNIFER]

"... The shells are loaded into the breech and sent automatically, while the propellant charges in conventional cartridges or modern modular type are stacked manually. The self-propelled gun ammunition consists of 46 separate loading rounds ...."

[Svarog51]

Hmm ... rechargeable - this is from the word "recharge", as the word "recharge" seems to be present in your comment - then the recharger comes out after all.

[Evil 55]

There is such a thing as adaptation .. Will Korean cars be adapted to Finnish snow and frost, will they become real combat power, like the same Carnation, their military operation will show ..