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Iran warned the US about sending troops to Syria

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According to "Interfax", Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif believes that the transfer of US ground troops to Syria to fight the" Islamic State "(terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation) will lead to an outbreak of extremism in the region:

I believe that the presence of foreign troops in Arab territory is a way for extremists to unite and recruit new militants from young people who are deprived of rights.


Iran warned the US about sending troops to Syria


According to M.Zarif, the invasion and the subsequent occupation of Iraq by the United States led to the emergence of ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation):

The same people who armed ISIS, armed terrorist groups, those who previously armed Saddam Hussein, who created and armed Al-Qaeda (banned in the Russian Federation).


In this regard, he cautioned not to repeat history".

Earlier in the American media, there were unconfirmed reports that the Pentagon may recommend to the US President Donald Trump the transfer of ground forces units to Syria.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 18 February 2017 19: 51
    +7
    In this regard, he warned not to repeat the story.

    He, of course, is right.
    But Trump will not listen to anyone.
    1. hrych
      hrych 18 February 2017 20: 17
      +3
      Here is the question of Kurdistan. The United States in Syria can only fight on the side of the Kurds (which is limited and do). The partition of Syria between the Russian Federation, Turkey and Iran is in full swing. Trump on the Kurds is still silent, but Iran, Turkey and Assad do not need Kurds. It’s most convenient to take the racca closer to the Kurds if the United States supports them with aviation. The Euphrates will be under the control of the Kurds and the USA, they will have oil, water - the strongest argument of the desert will be with them.
      1. krass
        krass 18 February 2017 20: 19
        +3
        Quote: hrych
        however, Iran, Turkey and Assad do not need Kurds

        And what about the Sunnis? wink
        1. hrych
          hrych 18 February 2017 20: 38
          +3
          Quote: krass
          And what about the Sunnis?

          Nothing, they used to live normally and don’t want to live under Assad. There is an opportunity to go under the Turks and the SSA.
          1. krass
            krass 18 February 2017 20: 44
            +7
            Quote: hrych
            Nothing, used to live and fine

            before, a lot of things were normal and Ukraine was a brother forever
            Quote: hrych
            do not want to live under Assad there is the opportunity to go under the Turks and the SSA.

            well, only them in Syria 70%, and the Alawites 10%
            The case when size matters wink
            1. cniza
              cniza 18 February 2017 20: 49
              +5
              Quote: Olgovich
              In this regard, he warned not to repeat the story.

              He, of course, is right.
              But Trump will not listen to anyone.


              If he does not understand this will be his problem, you can’t flattery in those matters where you are not competent.
            2. hrych
              hrych 18 February 2017 20: 51
              +2
              Quote: krass
              The case when size matters

              Absolutely not. The Alawites are a hereditary caste of warriors, the Kurds are a people not broken for thousands of years. Persians - Shiites are also descendants of warriors. But the Arab population is bad for nothing without the support of the Anglo-Saxons. A typical example of Yemen, where the descendants of the Persians - the Hussites beat to the teeth of armed Saudis and they can not do anything. ISIS is battle-worthy because of Saddam's professional officers and internationalist volunteers ethnically non-Arabs.
              1. krass
                krass 18 February 2017 20: 59
                +7
                Quote: hrych
                Absolutely not. Alavites - a hereditary caste of warriors

                Warriors laughing
                Where are they without the IRGC, Hezbollah, Iraqi and Afghan mercenaries
                Quote: hrych
                Kurds - people not broken for thousands of years.

                Hundreds of thousands of years, only 40 million of them - but to no avail. By the way, the Kurds against Assad - these not broken ones will fight - against this caste of warriors laughing
                Where are the Sunnis? wink
                Quote: hrych
                But the Arab population is bad for nothing without the support of the Anglo-Saxons.

                ISIS, SSA - Sunnis --- so just a minute.
                Quote: hrych
                A typical example of Yemen, where the descendants of the Persians - the Hussites beat to the teeth of armed Saudis and they can not do anything.

                And what have the Hussites achieved?
                Quote: hrych
                ISIS is battle-worthy because of Saddam's professional officers and internationalist volunteers ethnically non-Arabs.

                Come on. Have you come up with these tales?
                1. hrych
                  hrych 18 February 2017 21: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: krass
                  ISIS, SSA - Sunnis --- so just a minute.

                  What are those that other international from Turkic, Circassian and other peoples. Local Arabs who are 90% and Sunni, are of little use.
                  Quote: krass
                  Come on. Have you come up with these tales?

                  There in ISIS, commanders are either from shishin, then from Tajik runaway generals, etc. So this is not a secret.
                  Quote: krass
                  And what have the Hussites achieved?

                  They did that the Saudis did not achieve anything.
                  1. krass
                    krass 18 February 2017 21: 31
                    +5
                    Quote: hrych
                    What are those that other international from Turkic, Circassian and other peoples. Local Arabs who are 90% and Sunni, are of little use.

                    How much are you from Syria? And from me 90 km. wink
                    I don’t need to tell tales. I know what and how

                    Quote: hrych
                    There in ISIS, commanders are either from shishin, then from Tajik runaway generals, etc. So this is not a secret.

                    That's probably the analysts like you were in GS. when they said - a couple of months, we’ll bomb everyone, put them all down - and apple trees will bloom in Syria.
                    Quote: hrych
                    They did that the Saudis did not achieve anything.

                    What did the Hussites achieve?
                    Maybe Yemen is under them? Hussites lead a guerrilla war in the conditions of medieval Yemen - it's like in Afghanistan.
                    No more.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 18 February 2017 21: 46
                      +2
                      Quote: krass
                      That's probably the analysts like you were in GS

                      I would be careful not to raise the tail to our General Staff, all the more so since no one had stuttered about two months ago, a massive NATO strike was thwarted, Assad was saved, Aleppo was taken, the igilov oil was destroyed, the economic component was knocked out, which is sometimes more important than victories in the battle. Therefore, not seeing obvious results is at least strange.
                      Quote: krass
                      Hussites are guerrilla warfare

                      They control cities, strike tactical missiles at bases and cities, including the territory of Saudi Arabia, carry the ships of sheikhs, etc. They carry out not only partisan raids, but also military operations like that.
                      1. krass
                        krass 18 February 2017 21: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: hrych
                        NATO’s massive blow was thwarted, Assad saved, Aleppo taken, Ighil’s oil traffic destroyed, the economic component knocked out, which is sometimes more important than victories in the battle. Therefore, not seeing obvious results is at least strange.

                        ISIS is the fifth case, and VKS practically did not fight with ISIS.
                        The conversation can go about one thing - the future of Syria.
                        Syria will not be united with Assad - well, and the rest will be on the steps.
                        Base. Kurds, Alavites - access to the Sunni Sea, etc.
                        Quote: hrych
                        They control cities, strike tactical missiles at bases and cities, including the territory of Saudi Arabia, carry the ships of sheikhs, etc. They carry out not only partisan raids, but also military operations like that.

                        This is all bullshit - strategically what?
                        But there is only one answer - the Saudis threw off the Hussites (before that, after all, they had crushed Yemen for themselves)
                    2. hrych
                      hrych 18 February 2017 22: 25
                      +2
                      Quote: krass
                      And the answer is one - the Saudis threw off the Hussites

                      The war is not over, it is too early to sum up the results. The last son of Saud, apparently, will soon grunt and it is completely possible that Riyadh will be captured by the Hussites.
                      1. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 18 February 2017 22: 58
                        +2
                        Quote: hrych
                        The last son of Saud, apparently, will soon grunt and it is completely possible that Riyadh will be captured by the Hussites.

                        It is unlikely that the Hussites need Riyadh; the areas of Saudi Arabia inhabited by Shiites are quite enough for them.
                        Here on this map you can see the distribution of Shiites and Sunnis in the region:
                    3. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 18 February 2017 22: 41
                      +3
                      Quote: krass
                      And from me 90 km. wink
                      I don’t need to tell tales. I know what and how

                      Yes, you don’t know anything, just fantasize again, taking advantage of the fact that many people are not aware of the issue under discussion lol
                      Quote: krass
                      ISIS, SSA - Sunnis --- so just a minute.

                      So what?
                      Kurds are also 80-90% precisely Sunnis.
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 18 February 2017 23: 04
                        +3
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Here on this map you can see the distribution of Shiites and Sunnis in the region:

                        It is precisely between the Shiite enclaves that Riyadh lies laughing They also need to be connected, because most of the territory of Saudi Arabia is a desert, then lightning raids are very possible, a typical example of ISIS raids is when they capture cities that have one or two roads through the desert (so Vegas laughing )
                    4. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 18 February 2017 23: 06
                      +4
                      Quote: krass
                      What did the Hussites achieve?

                      What have they achieved?
                      Yes, under them, almost half of the country (in any case inhabited) where half of the army is located on their side, and the so-called coalition formed by Saudi Arabia, despite its technical superiority, can do nothing with them.
                      1. Talgat
                        Talgat 19 February 2017 17: 12
                        0
                        The fact that these Hussites are fighting with religious obscurantists and sponsors of terrorism and all bearded men in the CA and the Caucasus and, in fact, they are fighting with our enemies - this alone speaks in their favor

                        They didn’t do anything bad to us - they beat our essentially protestors - and the Saudis brought a lot of evil and grief

                        And if Iran (our friendly neighbor and friend) helps them, then this is so necessary and it is not harmful to all of us
                    5. Dry_T-50
                      Dry_T-50 19 February 2017 19: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: krass
                      Maybe Yemen is under them? Hussites lead a guerrilla war in the conditions of medieval Yemen - it's like in Afghanistan.
                      No more

                      Well, you know ... Spirits drank a lot of blood to the Soviet troops. And the Hushits have already taken several members of the coalition out of battle.
              2. padded jacket
                padded jacket 18 February 2017 23: 10
                +3
                Quote: hrych
                ISIS is battle-worthy because of Saddam's professional officers and internationalist volunteers ethnically non-Arabs.

                They say in ISIS instructors Americans and Israeli Jews.
                On the way to “Greater Israel”: ISIS ringleader is Mossad’s full-time agent Shimon Elliot
                So, independent sources in the summer of 2014 reported that the real name of “Caliph Al-Baghdadi” - the head of ISIS (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant) - Simon Elliot (Eliot Shimon), he was born from two Jewish parents and is an agent of Mossad.

                Below we present information from three sources that confirm this data.

                The real name Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is Simon Elliott, who was recruited by Israeli intelligence Mossad and trained in espionage and psychological warfare against Arab and Islamic communities.
                This information was attributed to Edward Snowden and published in newspapers and other websites: the head of the Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, collaborated with secret services - British, Israeli and the United States to create an organization capable of attracting extremist terrorists from around the world . (Source: Radio ajyal.com)

                Another source confirmed this statement (EGy-Press website):

                Based on photo documents: Iranian media discovered the true identity of the “emir of ISIS,” a trained Zionist agent.
                Iranian intelligence has discovered the true and complete identity of the “emir of ISIS,” which is known as Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi; his real name is Elliot Shimon. This is an agent of Mossad performing an important and secret task of Zionist espionage under the pseudonym: Ibrahim ibn Awad bin Ibrahim Al Badri Al Aradui Husseini.
                Plan: to fall into the military and civilian leadership of countries declared a “threat to Israel” in order to destroy them and, thereby, facilitate their further absorption by the Zionist state throughout the Middle East. In order to create a Great Israel.
                http://communitarian.ru/novosti/politika/na_puti_
                k_velikomu_izrailyu_glavar_igil_yavlyaetsya_shtat
                nym_agentom_mossada_saymonom_eliotom_13012015 /
                1. hrych
                  hrych 18 February 2017 23: 29
                  +2

                  The map follows the menorah from the Nile to the Euphrates, and then the videoconferencing system, Iran, and Egypt are gaining quality power.
                  1. padded jacket
                    padded jacket 18 February 2017 23: 33
                    +5
                    Quote: hrych
                    The map for the menorah from the Nile to the Euphrates,

                    Yes, the Jews have such a habit of telling "wet" fantasies about different David Salomon laughing and other heroes and ostensibly once upon a time in very ancient-ancient times, the great Israel existed lol
                    Dreamers laughing
                    1. Revolver
                      Revolver 19 February 2017 08: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      Yes, the Jews have such a habit of telling "wet" fantasies about different David Salomon

                      In fact, you, as a Muslim, should be known under the names Daud and Suleiman ibn Daud. Personally, Mohammed, they were ranked among the prophets of Islam, and you dare not talk about them except adding “peace with both of them,” since otherwise it would be an insult to the prophets of Islam - an act and is now punishable by death in many Islamic countries.
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 19 February 2017 13: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Nagan

                        In fact, you, as a Muslim, should be known under the names Daud and Suleiman ibn Daud.
                        ... you don’t dare to talk about them except adding “peace with both of them”, because otherwise it would be an insult to the prophets of Islam - an act that is still punishable by death in many Islamic countries.

                        Yes, he himself did not understand what he said)) Well, the main thing for him is Israel and Jews to pour mud ...
                        but I would say this in the presence of Muslim, at least I would have remained without a tongue))) at most - without a head)))
                  2. Arameev
                    Arameev 19 February 2017 02: 07
                    +2
                    Quote: hrych

                    ... The card for the menorah from the Nile to the Euphrates, ...

                    in fact, there’s not a map for menorah. there was such a king Antigone II (Mattiagu or Mattathia) the last king of the Hasmonean dynasty. he issued a coin depicting a menorah to commemorate the victory of the Hasmoneans in the war against the Romans. what you take as a card is an image of a fragment of that ancient coin with a menorah on a modern Israeli coin with a value of 10 agorot.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 19 February 2017 12: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: Arameev
                      what you take for a card is an image of a fragment of that ancient coin

                      You see, all archaeological finds in Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria are of Roman or Macedonian origin, including mosaic floors, etc. And all the so-called biblical artifacts turned out to be outright fakes from the machinations of Mozas Shapiro to the Golan tablet of Joas. The very existence of the Hasmonean state is disputed by historians and, in addition to the Talmud and other scientifically unreliable spiritual books, is not confirmed. For when the Macedonians seized Egypt, Syria, Arabia, Persia, etc., power was not ceded to anyone until Roman expansion. What we see when the Macedonian Cleopatra and the Macedonian Herod reigned, right up to the conquests of Caesar and Titus. Moreover, before Rome, the entire area was a battle between the Seleucids and the Ptolemies, the descendants of the military commanders, heirs of Alexander the Great. And here is some hilyatin in the irreconcilable dispute of the Ptolemaic empire and the Seleucid empire, complete nonsense. Moreover, persons with clearly Greek names such as Antigonov, Alexandrov, Aristobulov were recorded in the Hasmoneans. Coins on the antiquities market are the main object of falsification, for a trifle is easiest to fake. So the capital of the fakes palms off some artifacts with printed menors laughing Coins printed Rome, Ptolemy and Seleucids. Everything else is vile fakes customized for writing. So did Schliemann, teaching Shapir and Golanov. Because now, when the Ishilovites smash the "marble" statues, the reinforcing bars or concrete blocks of the frame stick out laughing And so in everything am
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 19 February 2017 12: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: hrych
                        Quote: Arameev
                        what you take for a card is an image of a fragment of that ancient coin

                        You see, all archaeological finds in Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria are of Roman or Macedonian origin, including mosaic floors, etc. And all the so-called biblical artifacts turned out to be outright fakes from the machinations of Mozas Shapiro to the Golan tablet of Joas. The very existence of the Hasmonean state is disputed by historians and, in addition to the Talmud and other scientifically unreliable spiritual books, is not confirmed.

                        Listen to what you wrote all this .... text? you may not believe in Khasmoyev and dispute the veracity of biblical artifacts. but what does this have to do with your assertion that on a modern Israeli coin of 10 agorot, a map is depicted under the menorah? there is no card there, lord of lies! but there is an image of a fragment (albeit in your opinion, false) of an ancient coin on which there was a menorah. and where this ancient coin was minted and by whom, and whether it was at all, has nothing to do with your initial statement about the card. there is no card !!laughing enough already consider others dumber than yourself laughing
                        Because now, when the Ishilovites smash the "marble" statues, the reinforcing bars or concrete blocks of the frame stick out laughing And so in everything am
                        laughing wassat ... Yes of course! the whole world is in vain regretting the "marble statues, broken by the igilovites, with reinforcing bars protruding from concrete blocks." you know that this is all Jewish fakes. you won’t spend a grunt !!! wassat
                    2. hrych
                      hrych 19 February 2017 13: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Arameev
                      dispute the authenticity of biblical artifacts

                      They do not need to be challenged, they simply do not exist. There are two Sephardic people with the native language Ladino, there are Ashkenazi with the native language Yiddish, there is Mount Zion in Switzerland, where all the gold of the world is collected and where the first Jewish congresses were held in Basel. It was there that they decided where to organize the first state of Sephardic and Ashkenazi and gave a book-dead language with an Aramaic alphabet invented by sounds (for some reason). That's why it sounds stupid, or rather, in any way, laughing They thought and wondered, it’s impossible in Switzerland, the owner doesn’t order, near true Zion, only the elite is allowed to stay, Stalin didn’t allow it, it’s far from Birobidzhan (Stalin’s project), Madagascar also didn’t (Hitler’s project). So they decided to drive everyone into the desert, it seems where Christ was executed, the mountain turned out to be not a mountain at all, but the wall - the remains of Fort Anthony (the very one) under which they now shake their heads. At a certain point, of course, it will come to you that what is happening, but apparently it will be too late
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 20 February 2017 19: 31
                        0
                        Quote: hrych

                        They do not need to be challenged, they simply do not exist.

                        what really isn’t the truth in your words. as well as the "card" you indicated on a coin of 10 agorot lol
                        good for you. and sanity ... hi
                    3. hrych
                      hrych 20 February 2017 22: 06
                      +1
                      Quote: Arameev
                      that’s really not true

                      So you took the Arameev login, but I’ll tell you one thing, no offense, the Old Testament or, according to your Torah, was translated into Latin in ... 382 by Jerome Stridon from ... Greek. Attention ... in Peshitta - the Syriac language, the last of the Aramaic dialects finally replaced by Arabic, the Torah is translated only ... in the 5th century new era The oldest text from which everything was written WAS IN GREEK, the most ancient codes of the 4th century AD, then plus or minus was translated into Latin, then into Gothic, later, already in the 5th century into Armenian, Georgian and the notorious Aramaic, which in the same gap died under the blow of the Arab and became dead. Your masorets already took the dead Aramaic written in the 7th century by that time a couple of hundred years ago and based on it created Hebrew FREEDOM sounds (it was dead, and the vowels were not recorded at all unambiguously) and they were wise until the 11th century until Maimonides, who finished everything. In your current language, there are obvious problems with vowels and this is a disaster since then. And now google and wiki to help you and check me out. Conclusion: The Old and New Testaments are CREATED in Greek and by the Greeks. Why did you (Sephardic and Ashkenazi) drive you into Palestine (and not at all, according to the scripture), giving a fictitious language, depriving your native Ladino and Yiddish of an open question. But everything is not as it seems, although everything lies in plain sight. Open your eyes and the truth will open to you. Yours faithfully hi
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 21 February 2017 11: 05
                        0
                        yes what insults))) are you talking about translations in Latin and Greek, and immediately doubt the availability of a Hebrew (Aramaic) original /)) why did that Jerome translate something?) as for the dead language ... yes, it was dead, but only in the sense of using it in everyday life to say how cult language he was never dead. My great-grandfather, grandfather, and even father (born 1922) learned to read in Hebrew at schools at synagogues. no problem with vowels. since vowels exist to indicate vowels. they are not used when writing ordinary words (as unnecessary), but when writing a rarely used or new word - they are written. By the way, the same Yiddish - in many ways the same, ancient language ...
                      2. Arameev
                        Arameev 21 February 2017 11: 38
                        0
                        sorry, about the translation of Jerome into Latin from Greek. and what language was translated into Greek? you claim that the Hebrew originals do not exist, but (not to mention the former) what about the latest finds - the Qumran scrolls of the Dead Sea? or is it also fake from Greek?))) and the fact that so few Jewish texts have been preserved is thanks to Catholics and their popes, for centuries they destroyed everything that they could reach. By the way, science does not have access to the papal library, and there probably are a lot of interesting things there. and on the topic and relating to other peoples.
                    4. hrych
                      hrych 21 February 2017 21: 16
                      0
                      Quote: Arameev
                      what to do with the latest finds - Qumran Dead Sea Scrolls

                      Actually, the nature of the texts of the Essenes speaks of the post-Gospel events, and the Gnostic apocrypha also dates from no earlier than the middle of the first millennium of the new era, when brains roamed and when the main Avramic movements known to us, such as Christianity, Judaism and Islam, that never received wider distribution of Alavisms, Druze, Gnostics and other heresies, the texts themselves are supposedly on the skin, then supposedly on papyrus, then on copper plates, then in Aramaic, then in Hebrew Masoretic remake character (not earlier than the 7th century), then in Arabic (not earlier than the 6th century, when the Arabic script was created on the basis of the Nabatean), then in Greek (again the notorious). All this parsley already says a lot, and the initial story of the "gaining" of an Arab shepherd and right in the year of the founding of the state of Israel, which gave skin to the cobblers on bots (as if the shepherd had problems with the skin of small cattle, it is necessary to drag cave rot) etc. etc. The main finds were made by the Arabs and all this from the black market, where at the beginning of the 19th century it was possible and one in three could get an artifact before the archaeological boom. In the middle of the 20th century, bullshit was 100% absolutely. We also have the so-called Vlesova Book where there are a lot of things, but nothing new. That is, whoever wrote wrote facts known in the 19th and 20th centuries and in one heap. The carbon-carbon analysis yielded a span of 300 years, allegedly from 250 BC. until 60 A.D. Again the blizzard is utter. Even fans of this analysis do not deny an error of 10-15%, i.e. for a thousand years it’s 150 years, an error, for 2 thousand it’s already 300 (where are the official figures from), but in fact the error is 25-30%, i.e. for 2 thousand years, it’s already 500-600 years old. Although the case when six reputable laboratories performed 18 age analyzes of wood from Shelford in Cheshire and received log dates from 26 to 000 years, i.e. the spread is 60 years laughing Actually, this case simply proved the absolute inconsistency of the method, but oh well. In principle, science recognizes one devil as the oldest book so far, the Codex of Sinai of the 4th century, as is supposed in Greek. And the fact that papyri, parchments and paper simply decay and scatter after a thousand and a half years can not be proved to anyone (because there are no books before the 4th century, but a few Egyptian papyri, of course the Book of the Dead, of course as well as scrolls of the sea of ​​dubious dating) here, after all, the question of faith begins. But don’t really hope for the Vatican, even if they hid the remains of the unfinished (in many respects by them) library of Alexandria, then until the 20th century there were no pressure chamber storage conditions, therefore cellulose (polysaccharide) and parchment were devoured by insects, fungi, bacteria and .. Air oxygen turned everything into dust even in the Middle Ages. Although the vaults there are still not ownerless caves. The same Da Vinci simply translated and decrypted (on the instructions of the popes) the dying manuscripts on medicine, biology, technology (up to parachutes and aircraft), moreover, like a backward savage who was asked to describe a modern helicopter or tank. Naturally, he messed up everything and had to wait another 500 years for progress to come to this. The history was written by the Greeks, Romans, Arabs, having previously destroyed everything and where they went there, even the languages ​​became dead (along with their native speakers), like Egyptian, Aramaic, the language of the Gauls, Phoenicians, etc. There are many dead languages, but no one knows how they sound. The Rosetta stone was deciphered by Egyptian signs regarding the Greek text, but no one knows and does not know how it sounds. Here masoretes decided to voice the dead, invented sounds, moreover, no one hides this. I repeat, the sound sequence of Aramaic signs has been absent for hundreds of years. Sounds and pronunciation of words fiction. Again, the episode with the Ethiopian language is interesting, but the biblical texts were translated into Greek again, which speaks of the appearance of Greek letters in its alphabet, etc. Even if the Qumran letters were not fake, the masorets in the 7th century already (or still) did not have them unfortunately they had only Greek and Arabic translations.
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 22 February 2017 01: 06
                        0
                        stunned! what a mess!)))
                        Quote: hrych
                        [
                        Actually, the nature of the texts of the Essenes speaks of ...

                        and who are your Essenes, not Jews, or what?))) for our argument, about which the text in the scrolls is not important. what is important is that they were written in the pre-Christian era and in the Hebrew language. if you do not agree, then try to convince the experts of the American School of Oriental Studies in Jerusalem, J. Trever and W. Brownley, who conducted an examination of the scrolls, of their correctness. as well as one of the largest experts in the field of Palestine research, Professor William F. Albright. Albright did not express any doubt about the authenticity of the manuscripts and determined that the texts were written in Hebrew, approximately one hundred years before our era.
                        and in general, in the vicinity of the first cave "... over the next several years, after the first find, another 11 grottoes were discovered, of which about 15 thousand were extracted fragments of Old Testament texts and several hundred manuscripts of secular content. "
                        ... the texts themselves are supposedly on the skin, then supposedly on papyrus, then on copper plates, then in Aramaic, then in Hebrew Masoretic remake character (not earlier than the 7th century), then in Arabic (not earlier than the 6th century, when the Arabic script was created on the basis of the Nabatean), then in Greek (again the notorious) ....

                        where did you get this heresy?))) tests are written in parchment and it is in Hebrew. Is the authenticity of Egyptian parchments / papyrus in doubt? and if they survived, then others could survive ...
                        ... the initial story of the "gaining" of an Arab shepherd and right in the year of the founding of the state of Israel, which gave skin to the cobblers on bots (as if the shepherd had problems with the skin of small horned cattle, you need to drag the cave stew), etc. and so on

                        what fiction ?! the first find was in 1947 (and not in the 48th year of the proclamation of Israel) and only three scrolls were found by the shepherds. and all the others were found during official expeditions, by archaeologists - "... in the vicinity of the first cave, over the next several years, after the first find, another 11 grottoes were discovered, of which about 15 thousand were extracted fragments of Old Testament texts and several hundred manuscripts of secular content .... ". At least that is what official science says.
                        The main finds were made by the Arabs and all this from the black market, where at the beginning of the 19th century it was possible and one in three could get an artifact before the archaeological boom. In the middle of the 20th century, bullshit was 100% absolutely. We also have the so-called Vlesova Book where there are a lot of things, but nothing new. That is, whoever wrote wrote facts known in the 19th and 20th centuries and in one heap. The carbon-carbon analysis yielded a span of 300 years, allegedly from 250 BC. until 60 A.D. Again the blizzard is utter.

                        about the reliability of radiocarbon analysis .... are you an expert in this field? if not, is it worth getting into such a jungle?
                        The history was written by the Greeks, Romans, Arabs, having previously destroyed everything and where they passed there, even the languages ​​became dead (along with their carriers), like Egyptian, Aramaic, the language of the Gauls, Phoenicians, etc.

                        I don’t argue with that. in a large number of historical themes - utter darkness. but the topic of Judaism does not apply to them simply because the Jews are alive. and they never lost their history, the connection of generations. no matter how it seems to you is not true ...
                        Dead languages ​​are full, but no one knows how they sound. I repeat, the sound sequence of Aramaic signs has been absent for hundreds of years. Sounds and pronunciation of words fiction. Again, the episode with the Ethiopian language is interesting, but the biblical texts were translated into Greek again, which speaks of the appearance of Greek letters in its alphabet, etc. Even if the Qumran letters were not fake, the masorets in the 7th century already (or still) did not have them unfortunately they had only Greek and Arabic translations.
                        Hebrew was never dead in the full sense. he - did not develop, like other languages. it did not have modern concepts (such as, for example, terms denoting everything related to electricity or any other areas of life that did not exist two millennia ago), but it was used by all generations of Jews in the practice of their religious worship and therefore he lived. writing (although primitive in comparison with later ones) is not as much as you want to present it) don’t tell me something))) I use it daily) all sounds (used in the language) are presented in the Hebrew alphabet. and vowels (in the form of vowels) including. and ... a small (albeit uninvited, for which I apologize) advice: do not repeat nonsense in the wake of someone))) this is not your personal knowledge))) there is a sound series in Hebrew and there have been three thousand years, at least )))
                      2. Arameev
                        Arameev 22 February 2017 01: 30
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                        moderators, why is it taking so little time to edit posts? and in general, why limit it then !!! very uncomfortable.
                    5. hrych
                      hrych 23 February 2017 00: 19
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                      See, this is a matter of faith. You refer to the main fraudsters (for me), to you they are an indisputable authority. You believe in Judaism and sensibly no longer appreciate the fakes that are thrown to you to strengthen this faith. In theory, after it is proved that we have heliothe centric system (for which Hypatia, Copernicus, Bruno, etc. were killed), after your favorite radiocarbon analysis, fossil dinosaur bones, shells, etc., it became clear that it was not 5778 from the creation of the world, but even life on Earth under 4 billion years old, at least a little sane person will reject any Abramic religion (though Maimonides was committed geocentric system, although Tolmud says in general that the Earth is flat), once and for all. Why to maintain misconceptions and urge fakes and pseudoscience. Incidentally, the supposedly oldest gospel of Mark was discovered in the Qumran scrolls, which again indicates at least a new era, although it is hard to believe. Egyptian papyri, on the other hand, is absolutely absolute fake, the more notorious is the Book of the Dead, this is not possible, especially unlike parchment and paper, papyrus is even weaker and more sensitive to germs and oxygen. According to ancient authors, because of the fragility in antiquity, PAPIRUS OVER 200 years old was a HUGE RARE. About radiocarbon analysis, the first stereotype that artifacts are dated to them for a million years, in fact, the carbon isotope 14 has a half-life of 5730 years and before 50-60 000 years (about 10 half-lives) it is already impossible to determine anything. Fossil objects older than 60 thousand are simply supplied from bolds and people are hawking, for example, dating the million-year-old dating of Australopithecus, etc. Further, due to the massive use of hydrocarbons by our civilization and due to massive nuclear tests in general, the radiocarbon method loses its meaning, since this fuel (coal, gas, oil) for millions of years, there are no longer unstable carbon isotopes in them; therefore, their burning increases the content of stable isotopes in the atmosphere - and, therefore, changes the percentage of stable and unstable carbon isotopes. British scientists from Imperial College London recently discovered this. Soon, the atmospheric content of 14C will become as small as a percentage as it was observed in samples 1000 years ago. And unambiguously the calibration of the method proposed by Libby in 1946 did not take this into account, and did not take into account that the period of mass nuclear tests had begun. So add to the Qumran analyzes well, not a thousand, but about 800 years, and you will get that artifacts (most of course fake clerics) will be hidden from the Islamists of the first caliphate. Both the Greeks and the Romans brutally cracked down on rebellious ethnic groups, would never have passed by other people's treasures, but they were always tolerant of religion, that there, except Zeus-Jupiters, were Scythian, Egyptian, Persian, and Avramic deities. Foreign manuscripts are not something that were not destroyed, but revered and stored, as in the Alexandrian, Roman and Constantinople libraries. And it was not golden treasures that could be hidden, but only those who could write from those who crushed the rule of the Macedonians and Romans, who were absolutely intolerant of culture, religion and literature, and these caliphates are unambiguous. Therefore, parsley from Arabic, Aramaic, and Greek texts, such as apocryphal, Gnostic, evangelical texts, and other mishnahs, may be logical, and all their non-curious content is related. But do not flatter yourself, most of them are one hell of a fake.
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 23 February 2017 23: 38
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                        Quote: hrych
                        See, this is a matter of faith. You refer to the main fraudsters (for me), to you they are an indisputable authority. You believe in Judaism and sensibly no longer appreciate the fakes that are thrown to you to strengthen this faith .......

                        Listen, do you yourself notice that you have slowly moved the conversation to a completely different topic? ))) initially we discussed the presence of a card on a coin)))) then - the original source of the biblical texts, and the inadequacy of the Hebrew alphabet)) and now you have smoothly passed my faith in the original sources)))) and at the same time you diligently prove the failure of scientific methods, you those named as methods used in scientific research. but you do not want to admit at all that the writing and texts of the Jews have survived to this day, transmitted from generation to generation, from father to son ... Torah scrolls have been written for many generations (and always have been written) using a special technique that eliminates distortion and mistakes. taking a modern text and a text written 100 or any other number of years ago, you will not find differences in them, wherever these texts are written: whether in any European community or in any eastern ... the text itself knows by heart (exactly so!) any religious Jew. since all his life, starting from the age of 13, every day he reads (knowing already by heart) the text of the Holy Scriptures, designed for a one-year cycle. that is, starting from the first day of the year, reading the first chapter, to the last day of the year, comes to the last line of the last chapter. and so all my life. the same thing, from generation to generation ... in every synagogue in the world. the same words are pronounced on any day of the year. and if there were no changes in the last thousand years, since the oldest scroll of the existing ones and the scrolls of this year are identical, then why should it be different in earlier times? that is, even the absence of surviving scrolls of two thousand years ago, does not confirm your point of view at all. the system of storage and transmission of information guarantees the safety and absence of distortion ...
                    6. hrych
                      hrych 23 February 2017 01: 06
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                      I do not want to shake your faith, but it is the opposite of reason. After all, in the beginning of the 21st century, clericalization also began in our country, and, like you, in the form of fanaticism. The Catholics even repented of Bruno’s death, but not from a pure heart, but to demonstrate they say we are keeping pace with progress in order to fool our heads further. Moreover, I consider myself a believer, but I refuse to follow people who still consider the Earth flat. Moreover, current scientists are no less fraudsters, they also want to be consumers of grants. Today, they reported about 7 planets near the star, saying that three are suitable for life. Sensation and only, however, when you know that the presence of a planet (presumably) is fixed by a meager decrease in the glow of the star, allegedly when the planet obscures passing through the disk. And only by planets giants, and here as many as seven, but three livable laughing Moreover, seven planets, at least two should not get on a disk together, here the Earth flies around a star for a year, and Jupiter is almost 12 years old, Saturn rotates around 30 years, Uranus rotates for 84 years, and Neptune rotates around for 165 years. If we take into account that we have a likeness of the Sun, and even the planets have satellites, and the satellites of the planets Ganymede and Titan are commensurate with the Earth’s sizes, then how these downs can make such discoveries at all, or rather, how to fool gullible citizens for their money. So also the distance to the star in 40 light years, somehow managed to calculate. And you say scrolls, fool around at the galactic level laughing
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 23 February 2017 22: 43
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                        Quote: hrych
                        I do not want to shake your faith, but it is the opposite of reason.

                        I absolutely agree with you about faith and reason. I don’t remember exactly where I read the thought that faith is a crutch replacing the mind. and those who, with its help, take their place under the sun, in fact, use human stupidity. it’s just to completely exclude faith, replacing it with knowledge - in our life it is still impossible. it is impossible to know everything in all areas. and know at a level to understand all the nuances of all problems and issues. therefore, people, relying more and more on knowledge, (expanding the general educational base and horizons, professionally focusing on one particular area), completely do not refuse faith ....
                        After all, in the beginning of the 21st century, clericalization also began in our country, and, like you, in the form of fanaticism.

                        I would call it not fanaticism, but following fashion to the point of absurdity ... hardly this applies to me))) by the way, really believers are still very few IMHO.
                        Today, they reported about 7 planets near the star, saying that three are suitable for life. Sensation and only, however, when you know that the presence of a planet (presumably) is fixed by ...

                        that's just the details of "fixing the presence of planets" we do not know in all the nuances ... and if so - is it worth discussing?
                        ... how these downs can make such discoveries in general, or rather, how to fool gullible citizens for their money. So also the distance to the star in 40 light years, somehow managed to calculate. And you say scrolls, fool around at the galactic level laughing

                        I think, besides those ... "downs" that make discoveries, there are also those who are able to professionally evaluate their (discoveries) reliability. and mnu, for a critical assessment, lacks knowledge)))
                    7. hrych
                      hrych 24 February 2017 10: 06
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                      The fact that the coin (which was not and could not be) was made in the form of the outlines of Great Israel, with the coincidence of geographic outlines - nothing surprising. The state is young, i.e. a remake, but how to drive millions of people into this project voluntarily, and from the very beginning it was necessary to fight. Therefore, myths and their fans are needed. And if the state is national - then national myths, if the state is religious - then religious myths. Prior to that (in Basel) a decision was made to create a state. And since the state was created, although this has dragged on for 50 years, the program as a whole has been a success, and the reason is faith in these myths. Plus, of course, the most important thing is the agreement of the Anglo-Saxons and the USSR, at that time the rulers of the planet. The second factor, in addition to fanaticism, is the fear factor (for most newly made citizens, perhaps the main one), namely the Holocaust from the West, the Stalinist repressions from the USSR. Moreover, there was nowhere to escape from the hammer and the anvil except Palestine. True to some favorites, it became New York laughing Apparently, the arrival of the Trump group will lead to the exodus from the United States ... I agree for your succession in memorizing texts for hundreds of years, but only from the time of the Masorets to Maimonides. That masorets made up sounds, voicing a dead language with inscriptions of Aramaic signs is not a secret. True byada, the Aramaic letters in the entries turned out to be only consonants. We take the official version with vowels and what we have. And we have words with invented vowels, which means that the sound of the words themselves was invented, and since the way the language itself sounded, it is not known and this is a fact. I repeat, on the overversion (I believe that the language was coined by Maimonides completely). This is the price of the absence of vowels. They argued and guessed masoretes for hundreds of years (again, according to the overversion) before Maimonides established the law (though already at the end of the 12th, beginning of the 13th century). There are no original books, hence your myth about the Vatican (the rest of the vaults were checked and broken off). Taking the logical conclusion is only the overversion - now you are cramming, including the sound of the tongue, the invention of Maimonides, the supporting texts were allegedly found in the 20th century (unfortunately, the Masorets did not see them).
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 24 February 2017 14: 17
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                        Quote: hrych
                        The fact that the coin (which was not and could not be) was made in the form of the outlines of Great Israel, with the coincidence of geographic outlines - nothing surprising.

                        is everything new? wassat ok!)) except for your statements (based on ... I don’t know what) that on a modern coin of 10 agorot, the menorah is depicted on the background of the "map of Great Israel", it does not say anywhere. according to the outlines, what you accept as a card also does not correspond to the maps of ancient Israel that exist and no one refutes them by the way. except for the frantic ... "connoisseur")) why did you get that this is a map ??)))) the official explanation says that there is a spot with a menorah - a fragment of an image of an ancient coin with a menorah. that coin exists physically and is not called a fake by anyone ...
                        The state is young, i.e. a remake, but how to drive millions of people into this project voluntarily ...

                        nobody personally drove me and my family to Israel))) moreover, I also discouraged remember ...)))
                        Therefore, myths and their fans are needed. And if the state is national - then national myths, if the state is religious - then religious myths. Prior to that (in Basel) a decision was made to create a state. And since the state was created, although this has dragged on for 50 years, the program as a whole has been a success, and the reason is faith in these myths. Plus, of course, the most important thing is the agreement of the Anglo-Saxons and the USSR, at that time the rulers of the planet.

                        the myth is Palestine, but not ancient Israel. Now this is really mythical, never existed state and mythical, invented people. which for some reason today has become part of the Arab (and only his) ethnic group. although a few decades ago, such a nation - the Palestinians did not exist. there were Jews of Palestine, Arabs of Palestine, Circassians of Palestine, etc. etc. moreover, the word Palestine was used exclusively as a toponym. as, for example, they talk about Crimeans. and suddenly Palestinian is necessarily an Arab.
                        The second factor, in addition to fanaticism, is the fear factor (for most newly-made citizens, perhaps the main one), namely the Holocaust from the West, Stalin's repressions from the USSR. Moreover, there was nowhere to escape from the hammer and the anvil except Palestine.

                        that's it! that is how the so-called “Palestine” was considered from time immemorial and in fact it was, the original homeland of the Jews. By the way, the Jews themselves always called themselves Bnei Israel - that is, the sons of Israel. and more ... if there was no ancient Israel, then where did the Jewish people come from? ))) also came up with of course)))))
                        True to some favorites, it became New York laughing

                        in my opinion, those who chose "New York", just by their very choice put themselves outside the nation. they are not Jews and do not belong to the peoples of the countries of origin. so .... Ivana do not remember kinship. IMHO. that is why it is precisely the so-called "Americans" (and in fact, rabble from all over the planet) who advocate globalism and tolerance. one must justify one's own choice. at least in my own eyes ...
                        Apparently the arrival of the Trump group will lead to the exodus from the United States ...

                        Allah forbid! chur me, chur ...)))))
                        At the expense of your continuity of knowledge by heart of texts for hundreds of years, I agree, but only from the time of the Masorets to Maimonides. That masorets made up sounds, voicing a dead language with inscriptions of Aramaic signs is not a secret. True byada, the Aramaic letters in the entries turned out to be only consonants. We take the official version with vowels and what we have. And we have words with invented vowels, which means that the sound of the words themselves was invented, and since the way the language itself sounded, it is not known and this is a fact. I repeat, on the overversion (I believe that the language was coined by Maimonides completely). This is the price of the absence of vowels. They argued and guessed masoretes for hundreds of years (again, according to the overversion) before Maimonides established the law (though already at the end of the 12th, beginning of the 13th century).

                        and the Masorets on which they relied in their ... developments?))) Did not the Hebrew serve as their basis? and again you repeat the stupidity of the absence of vowels)) there are vowels !!! but they are not indicated by alphabetic characters, but by special ones - which are called vowels. because vowels in all languages ​​are much less consonants)) by the way, the Phoenicians also did not have vowels. and among Arabs, as in Hebrew, vowels are indicated by vowels))
                        There are no original books, hence your myth about the Vatican (the rest of the vaults were checked and broken off). Taking the logical conclusion is only the overversion - now you are cramming, including the sound of the language, the invention of Maimonides, the supporting texts were allegedly found in the 20th century (unfortunately, the masorets did not see them).

                        the original books of pre-Cyrillic times also did not survive. but this does not mean that the ancient Slavs, the ancestors of modern Russians / Ukrainians / Belarusians did not have a written language ...
                      2. Arameev
                        Arameev 24 February 2017 16: 09
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                        Quote: hrych
                        ... At the expense of your continuity of knowledge by heart of texts for hundreds of years I agree

                        on the one hand, you agree to the succession, and on the other you say
                        ... that masorets made up sounds by voicing a dead tongue

                        that is, it turns out that before the Masorets the Jews did not prayerfully. were atheists))) utter nonsense, right?))) and if you prayed, then your statement:
                        ... in the notes there were only .... words with invented vowels, which means the sound of the words themselves was invented, and since the language itself sounded, it is not known and this is a fact.
                        -not consistent with elementary logic))) the sound and meaning of words was well known. since for the Jews of the whole world it was always the language of their religion, which everyone knew and used ...
                        I repeat, on the overversion (I believe that the language was coined by Maimonides completely). This is the price of the absence of vowels. They argued and guessed masoretes for hundreds of years (again, according to the overversion) before Maimonides established the law (though already at the end of the 12th, beginning of the 13th century).

                        the fact that all the Jews of the world, wherever they are, always prayed (and understood the meaning of prayers) in the same language - you don’t seem to dispute. but even if Maimonides "invented the language", how in those "antediluvian" times could spread the language among the Jewish people scattered around the world ?? how do you imagine that? taking into account the isolation of the countries of that time, distances and other problems. Something you overestimate the organization of the Jews of those times))))
                    8. hrych
                      hrych 24 February 2017 18: 26
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                      Quote: Arameev
                      nobody personally drove me and my family to Israel))) moreover, I also discouraged remember ...)))

                      Faith and propaganda drove. Your homeland is Central Europe, and the native language is Yiddish, if you are of Ashkenazi origin, if you are Sephardic, then Spain and Ladino respectively laughing.
                      Quote: Arameev
                      how in those "antediluvian" times were able to spread the language among the Jewish people scattered around the world
                      In Yiddish (absolute majority) and in Greek (the true language of scripture), also in Arabic (as Islam spread, it was also an Abramic religion, but naturally the Arabic translation from Greek). The oldest Yiddish text is also from the 13th century, not only was it native to 11 million Yiddish until the Second World War, it was destroyed not by the Nazis in Germany who closed schools, but by the Nazis of present-day Israel (and the diaspora Nazis of New York), when for some several decades destroyed the language of the people and forced to speak on the line than. Moreover, Hebrew was invented by the Sephardim while working in the caliphate and using the Arabic language, which is also invented for on the basis of Nabataean characters. Globalists always invent a single language of communication. Now it is English, before that Esperanto did not take root.
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 25 February 2017 00: 30
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                        Quote: hrych

                        Faith and propaganda drove. Your homeland is Central Europe, and the native language is Yiddish, if you are of Ashkenazi origin, if you are Sephardic, then Spain and Ladino respectively laughing.

                        faith in what? if in the meaning of religion, I’ll honestly say that there is no special religiosity behind me)) and if in the sense of “faith” (and, in fact, knowledge) in ancient Israel, then I confess that I encounter such a fierce denial of its former existence for the first time in your face. in general, the name "Palestine" to denote the territory of the state of the rebellious people, and was introduced by the Romans in order to erase the very memory of the country that did not obey the Great Rome. Judging by your statements, they succeeded in this ((however, mention of the Jewish wars and Judea found in the Roman archives of that time.
                        I am Sefaradi (Sephardic), the everyday language of communication of my community is Farsi, not well, and the language of prayers is Hebrew. in places where I come from, to this day you can see ancient tombstones in Hebrew, more than two thousand years old. there Jews appeared much earlier than the Roman settlement.
                        In Yiddish (absolute majority) and in Greek (the true language of scripture), also in Arabic (as Islam spread, it was also an Abramic religion, but naturally the Arabic translation from Greek).

                        Jews have never prayed in Yiddish (!), and even more so - in Greek))) this is my main argument. the language of prayers among the Jews is always and everywhere the same - and this is the language of the Tanakh.
                        The oldest Yiddish text is also from the 13th century, not only was it native to 11 million Yiddish until the Second World War, it was destroyed not by the Nazis in Germany who closed schools, but by the Nazis of present-day Israel (and the diaspora Nazis of New York), when for some several decades destroyed the language of the people and forced to speak on the line than.

                        do not blaspheme! Yiddish and its carriers were destroyed by the Nazis. and in Israel today there are newspapers and a Yiddish theater. no one forgets him. Moreover, the former Prime Minister of Israel, Golda Meir, once said about Yiddish: “He who does not know Yiddish is not a Jew” I can not vouch for the accuracy of the quote, but the meaning of the statement was like that.
                        Moreover, Hebrew was invented by the Sephardim while working in the caliphate and using the Arabic language, which is also invented for on the basis of Nabataean characters. Globalists always invent a single language of communication. Now it is English, before that Esperanto did not take root.

                        ))) even the wiki knows that ". Eliezer Ben-Yehuda (Hebrew אֱלִיעֶזֶר בֶּן־יְהוּדָה; real name Leiser-Yitzchok Perelman; January 7, 1858, Luzhki, Disney Uyezd, Vilna Province, Russian Empire [2] - December 16, 1922, Jerusalem, British Mandate in Palestine) - "Father of modern Hebrew", founder of hebraism; a man who has given his whole life the revival of Hebrew as a modern spoken language, its development and enrichment."
                        and Arabic something that didn’t please you ?! Why did he fall into the number of fictional?)))
                        here about globalists - I agree. very harmful philosophy.
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                      3. Arameev
                        Arameev 25 February 2017 02: 07
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                        Quote: hrych
                        ... Byad, Aramaic letters ... only consonants. ... the absence of vowels is unambiguous

                        by the way! Eliezer Ben-Yehuda (Hebrew אֱלִיעֶזֶר בֶּן־יְהוּדָה) - see dots and dashes under and on the side of letters in Hebrew spelling of the name? this is the designation of vowels in both Aramaic and modern / ancient Hebrew.
                    9. hrych
                      hrych 26 February 2017 09: 42
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                      So you grabbed onto the Aramaic language on the basis of which Hebrew was invented, but by itself, it was originally dead (at least from Persian conquests to gospel times), i.e. the technical written language of the Persian Empire, which owned lands from Egypt to India as early as the 6th century BC At the beginning of the 4th century BC The Macedonians began to translate everything into Greek, preserving Aramaic, as the technical language of the inherited empire. Then comes the transition to Latin, and the same Greek almost until the fall of Rome and New Rome (historical scammers called by Constantinople) remained dead-technical. But, how spoken never, under any circumstances, the conqueror will use the language of the conquered, or rather, in the immediate order will force them to use their language, under pain of death. Such is the law of the empire that even in the enlightened age this element is present, the colonies speak the languages ​​of the mother countries, i.e. English, Spanish, Russian, Arabic. Moreover, after independence, the colonies sometimes switch to their native, but as a rule the alphabet remains the conqueror, either Latin (examples are unmeasured), or Cyrillic (for example, Kazakh, Kyrgyz), or Arabic script (for example Iran, Afghanistan). If Aramaic was once colloquial, a little later than Lingua-franca, and starting from the middle of the millennium it was purely technical-written (Persian was colloquial under pain of death, for example, the great Egyptian language and Babylonian were not that ...), then it was supplanted by technical - Greek (conversational was also Greek, and the language of the Achaemenid Persians was eradicated under pain of death throughout the territory from Egypt to India). Therefore, there are no vowels in Aramaic texts, they are not needed by the dead technical. Vowels are needed for spoken-living language. Current Greeks not only genetically, whoever speak the wrong language as Alexander the Great, but current pasta do not speak Caesar's language. For ancient Greek and Latin are both dead technical languages, and how they sounded unknown, and so presumably, and you speak Hebrew laughing Thanks to the Goths, Franks, Lombards, Turks, Rus and Arabs. Also, the language of the Iranians, barely surviving the Arabian influx, is the language of the Scythian couples who created the Parthian kingdom, and by no means Cyrus and Darius. And how it sounded is unknown, although there is a translation of cuneiform records. Moreover, we have a translation of the signs of Egyptian and Achaemenid into ancient Greek, also dead. Why Maimonides apparently understood these things and tried to unearth at least something not in the Greek (by that time already dead) translation of Aramaic, but in still living Arabic (with the Nabataean alphabet), but he hardly found anything other than translations from Greek. Finally, understand that if there is an interruption in the spoken language, especially for hundreds of years, no masorets will revive it.
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 26 February 2017 18: 31
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                        Quote: hrych
                        So you grabbed onto the Aramaic language on the basis of which Hebrew was invented, but by itself, it was originally dead (at least from Persian conquests to gospel times), i.e. the technical written language of the Persian Empire, which owned lands from Egypt to India as early as the 6th century BC

                        Aramaic was the basic language from which many Semitic language families subsequently developed: Assyrian, Hebrew or Canaanite, and Arabic ... it was imperial Aramaic that served as the very "lingua franca" that you talk about below. and it was the Aramaic language that was the official language of the empire of the Ancient Persian kingdom of the Achaemenids (VI century BC. - IV century BC. E.). official (!), and not technical-written as you say. and Canaanite (later developed into Hebrew) and Arabic, and Assyrian, and a bunch of languages ​​- were just dialects of Aramaic. at least modern linguistics thinks so. another thing is that the Aramaeans never formed a single people and did not have a single state. just as there never was a single Slavic state and the Slavs never formed a single people. but just as it cannot be said that Old Slavic was a dead language, it cannot be said so of Aramaic of those times.
                        At the beginning of the 4th century BC The Macedonians began to translate everything into Greek, preserving Aramaic, as the technical language of the inherited empire. Then comes the transition to Latin, and the same Greek almost until the fall of Rome and New Rome (historical scammers called by Constantinople) remained dead-technical.

                        it was at the time of the change of empires, if I may say so)) (from the Persian state of Achaemenides to the Great Macedonian Alexander the Great) Aramaic, playing the role of modern English, was the international language in this part of the world.) how could it be dead in those days ?!))
                        But how spoken never, under any circumstances, the conqueror will use the language of the conquered, or rather, immediately make them use their language, on pain of death ... If once Aramaic was conversational, a little later than Lingua-franca, and since the middle of the millennium purely technical-written (Persian was colloquial under pain of death, so for example the great Egyptian language died and Babylonian is not that ...)

                        where does it come from? in the Babylonian empires there were several official languages ​​at the same time - this is proved by archives that have come down to our times. for example, an archive of thousands of clay tablets discovered in Persepolis. Aramaic was among others.
                        then it was supplanted by technical - Greek (conversational was also Greek, and the language of the Achaemenid Persians was eradicated under pain of death throughout the territory from Egypt to India). Therefore, there are no vowels in Aramaic texts, they are not needed by the dead technical. Vowels are needed for spoken-living language.

                        simple logic says that Aramaic writing naturally appeared during the time of active use of the language))) and the designation of vowels is not the same as consonants are indicated does not at all indicate the "uselessness of vowels" as such))) sorry, but the logic is limping on both legs . don’t you notice?
                        ... Finally, understand that if there is an interruption in the spoken language, especially for hundreds of years, no masorets will revive it.

                        I also appeal to you in the same way))) finally understand that there has never been a break in the live use of the Torah language! Jews have always used language in their prayers. that is, the words Jews know from the time when the language was everyday spoken, transmitting knowledge from generation to generation ...)))
                    10. hrych
                      hrych 26 February 2017 10: 06
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                      If you still had a secular-atheistic state (not according to the declaration, but in practice), you could still not be critical of the form of coins, artifacts, etc. You have already been rummaged in the 19th century during the archaeological boom, and they were digging more intensively than Egypt , Mesopotamia, Crete, etc., with a very negative result, and here after a hundred years they find caves already, okay there at a depth of tens of meters, but no shepherds climb laughing You have the whole country on mysticism and symbols, according to folklore, created, and you say. Therefore, they secret archeology from ordinary citizens. After all, Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer; now crowds of Scientologists are sincerely believing in his writings. The storyteller Maimonides is the same. True, the price of fairy tales is a sea of ​​blood and genocide. Give me Herodotus? There is not a single hint of the EMPIRE OF SOLOMON, he described everything from Hyperborea to Egypt and Persia, where there are Jews, NO. Where on Egyptian stellas is the history of a powerful state with an exodus from Egypt, but on the border with Egypt. No. The Hittites are, however, and the Hittites do not. And the Persians do not, and Nebuchadnezzar in cuneiform has nothing. With the dubious Josephus Flavius, only yes and everything, which in the 1st century of a new era, he wrote in what language ... of course Greek, which outlined an oral fantastic legend. This is where we end.
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 26 February 2017 23: 32
                        0
                        Quote: hrych
                        If you still had a secular-atheistic state (not according to the declaration, but in practice), you could still not be critical of the form of coins, artifacts, etc. You have already been rummaged in the 19th century during the archaeological boom, and they were digging more intensively than Egypt , Mesopotamia, Crete, etc., with a very negative result, and here after a hundred years they find caves already, okay there at a depth of tens of meters, but no shepherds climb laughing

                        that is, in your opinion, all archaeological finds that occurred after the end of the 19th century and occur in our time - all fraud and fakes))) .... great you them))))
                        ... Therefore, they secret archeology from ordinary citizens.

                        Yes, no one seems to keep them secret))) if you want to take part - please. invite everyone to join))) only as part of the Israel Antiquities Authority.
                        The storyteller Maimonides is the same. True, the price of fairy tales is a sea of ​​blood and genocide. Give me Herodotus? There is not a single hint of the EMPIRE OF SOLOMON, he described everything from Hyperborea to Egypt and Persia, where there are Jews, NO.

                        First, neither Israel nor Judea was ever an empire. They were always relatively small kingdoms that did not at all claim any special fame.
                        as for Herodotus, he doesn’t have the word “Jew” at all. Greeks habitually called many peoples and countries in their own way, and today we often cannot identify these names. the same Herodotus in his "Stories" has a huge number of names of peoples and nationalities, it is unknown who they designate)) it is quite possible that something similar with the Jews. because other ancient chroniclers, for example, Pliny the Elder (a participant in the Judean Wars, by the way wink ), Philo of Alexandria, Strabo and a bunch of others, there is no shortage of references and descriptions of Judea and the kingdom of Israel.
                        Where on Egyptian stellas is the history of a powerful state with an exodus from Egypt, but on the border with Egypt. No. The Hittites are, however, and the Hittites do not. And the Persians do not, and Nebuchadnezzar in cuneiform has nothing.

                        why on Egyptian stelae must there be a mention of the outcome of the slaves? not "the history of a powerful state", but just the escape of slaves. albeit in large numbers, but at that time the Jews for the Egyptians were just slaves. that is, like cattle. and what kind of owner wants to perpetuate his own mess ?! lol a whole bunch of slaves escaped! Well this is a disgrace to the whole world! fellow but the Persians and Nebuchadnezzar have full references to the Jews. I have already given examples (like) above.
                        With the dubious Josephus Flavius, only yes and everything, which in the 1st century of a new era, he wrote in what language ... of course Greek, which outlined an oral fantastic legend. This is where we end.

                        Flavius ​​is a Roman slave (at the time of writing books) and this is important! in another language, he simply could not write. the owner would not allow IMHO.
                    11. hrych
                      hrych 26 February 2017 10: 28
                      0
                      Apart from Josephus Flavius, no one heard of the Hasmoneans at all, though the First Temple was also true, but guess when they first printed this Josephus, yes, in 1544, and in what language ... again in Greek. I'm afraid Flavius ​​himself is a fiction. Moreover, he allegedly declared himself Hasmonean. Give me Greek or Roman sources, except Flavius ​​and I will agree. There are Jews in Tacitus, but something with Flavius ​​does not fight in any way about the centenary Jewish kingdom of the Hasmoneans.
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 26 February 2017 23: 59
                        0
                        Quote: hrych
                        Apart from Josephus Flavius, no one heard of the Hasmoneans at all, though the First Temple also

                        ))) come on! didn’t hear that ?! I still think that "did not hear" only the one who does not want to "hear")))
                        and guess when they first printed this Joseph, yes, in the year 1544, and in what language ... again in Greek. I'm afraid Flavius ​​himself is a fiction. Moreover, he allegedly declared himself Hasmonean.

                        I don’t know when it was first "printed", but I didn’t doubt that it was done in one of two languages: Greek or Latin (Roman). there was no sense in "typing" this work in the language of a provincial province, which is also in the permanent disfavor of the authorities!
                        Give me Greek or Roman sources, except Flavius ​​and I will agree. There are Jews in Tacitus, but something with Flavius ​​does not fight in any way about the centenary Jewish kingdom of the Hasmoneans.
                        sources, if desired, is not difficult to find. but of course, detailed descriptions of life in the small contingent kingdom of a small nation of more than two thousand years ago, chosen by the creators of the religious teachings that have become universal, should not be hoped for.
                    12. hrych
                      hrych 26 February 2017 10: 48
                      0
                      There was such a comrade Bruno Bauer - a German theologian and historian of the 19th century, so he actually debunked the "biblical evidence" drawn by the ears, in particular the fakes attributed to Flavius, the gospel stories, especially the fakes of the pseudo-apostle Paul, etc. He proved the Hellenic origin of the scripture. Of course, he was persecuted, some of the works tried to destroy him.
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 27 February 2017 00: 30
                        0
                        Quote: hrych
                        There was such a friend ...- a German theologian and historian of the 19th century,
                        Well, since German, and even the 19th century. I don’t doubt for a minute that
                        he actually debunked .... and fakes.

                        He proved the Hellenic origin of scripture. Of course, he was persecuted, some of the works tried to destroy him.
                        a lie always gives rise to another lie. I'm afraid someone can take my words as an insult, as the truth is heated more expensive! in these of your "Hellenic" writings of the pseudo-apostles, much is built on outright lies and rigged interpretations. therefore, the “refutation” of these pseudo-descriptions (for any purpose) is made one after another. You can’t lie.
                    13. hrych
                      hrych 26 February 2017 11: 03
                      0
                      Alright, since we've come this far laughing , then I will call in defense of my arguments your Philo Judea of ​​Alexandria who lived exactly at the junction of a new era. He read the Torah 2000 years ago ... in Greek and considered it close to the teachings of Plato. The couple apparently in Hebrew or Aramaic in Alexandria itself did not find manuscripts. And how do you like it?
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 27 February 2017 00: 40
                        0
                        Quote: hrych
                        .. I will appeal in defense of my arguments to your Philo Judea of ​​Alexandria ... he read the Torah 2000 years ago ... in Greek and considered it close to the teachings of Plato. The couple apparently in Hebrew or Aramaic in Alexandria itself did not find manuscripts. And how do you like it?

                        I also read the Torah in Russian and what? is it because in Hebrew it is not there?))) although ... in Alexandria of those times, manuscripts in the language of one of the thousands of small nations that were part of the empire might not exist. after all, Jews of pre-Christian times and Jews in the post-Christian world - this is completely different in the perception of those around them ....
                    14. hrych
                      hrych 27 February 2017 22: 58
                      0
                      If you are interested, I will state my opinion about what happened (or rather, I agree with what). In Alexandria, in the circle of various scholarly schools, a Gnostic trend was born - Judaism, and its founder was either Philo of Alexandria or his unknown predecessor. Why Alexandria? Because after the conquest of Macedon all the manuscripts and all the philosophers of Greece, Egypt, Persia, Babylon, Phenicia, Crete, etc. were brought there. Therefore, the Book of Genesis has paraphrases from the epic about Gilgamesh, the Avesta, etc., in particular, the Sumerian Ziusudra, the Assyrian Utnapishtim, the Babylonian Atrachasis are typical Noahs, and with details, moreover, they are dated a couple of thousand years before the events of the Moses outcome. Initially, perhaps Philo (or his unpopular predecessor) developed the course of Neoplatonism, which fell into several currents, including the Essenes, Pharisees and Sadducees. Moreover, the first are clearly from the Pythagoreans, the second from the Stoics, and the third from the Epicureans. Every single one of the Hellenic religious and philosophical schools. Therefore, it is not surprising that all texts were not translated, but simply created in Greek. And if you find the Aramaic text, then this is definitely a translation from Greek, and not vice versa laughing Then (gospel times) there was no separate Jewish separate ethnic group, there were all Greeks laughingor, rather, Greek-assimilated parsley from Egyptians, Persians, etc. And the differences concerned only belonging to a religious and philosophical school. And the Essenes of Christ and John (the Baptist) were murdered by the Pharisees and Sadducees under the guise of the Roman conquest, and all Essenes were persecuted and genocide. So philosophical debate has come to a standstill. I don’t know who Ashkenazi and Sephardi are ethnically and how they relate to these Greeks, but their native language is not Greek and naturally not Aramaic. But the Talmud uniting you is a medieval thing and Maimonides (apparently the Stoic-Pharisee) brought it to its logical end (along with the Masoretic language). Moreover, he himself again polemicized .... on the Ptolemy system with the cosmology of Aristotle (again the Greeks laughing ) Why is it difficult to find ends now - because of the Roman conquest and later the Arab caliphate, which completely erased everything. Under Roman rule, Christians tried more to destroy the Neoplatonists, Epicureans and other Gnostics, who declared all heretics (a kind of revenge of the Essenes). The rest were finished off by the Islamists, including already Christian movements. In the 19th century, they rummaged through everything that was possible and found everything that was possible; at the same time, during the boom, whole workshops for the production of fakes were created: pots, coins, sculptures, manuscripts, mummies. Schliemann forged the whole of Troy (or rather, "Priam's treasure") by digging up the bespantny dump of the Gisarlyk hill. Constantine - The Emperor, in fact, built New Rome (fraudulent historians by the Greek priests called Constantinople, which he never was) on the site of Troy. For the Romans considered themselves descendants of the Trojans according to Aeneas.
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 27 February 2017 23: 28
                        0
                        )) you stubbornly do not want to acknowledge the existence of both the Kingdom of Israel and the Jewish later confirmed in many ancient testimonies)) choosing the arguments you need, you absolutely do not want to notice any contradictions in your opinion. and I was accused of not recognizing the facts ehe-heh ....
                        pi.si all of these cheaters, whose fraud you cite as examples of infidelity of. history, normal scholars were never considered anywhere. what to refer to them? )))
                    15. hrych
                      hrych 27 February 2017 23: 29
                      0
                      Alexander the Great is to blame for everything, who inherited lands from Egypt, Babylon, Persepolis to India, including Greek policies. He built Alexandria and drove there the Zaraastrians, Chaldeans, admirers of Zeus, Osiris, Marduk, Baal, etc. Therefore, he bred religious and philosophical movements unmeasured. Moreover, the so-called monotheisms such as Christianity, Judaism and Islam (all by the way come from there) only at first glance profess monotheism. Upon closer inspection, archangels and angels are higher-order beings with the Akkadian-Sumerian ending -IL (-EL) denoting God. Michael, Gabriel, in contrast to them, the fallen angels Azazel, Asmodeus, etc.
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 27 February 2017 23: 33
                        0
                        so no one denies the consistent connection of religious teachings)))
                        By the way, all of these Michael Gabriels are Greek versions, far from sounding from the original. all biblical names are distorted. like the retelling ... an example of a shimon known to you as a seed))
                    16. hrych
                      hrych 27 February 2017 23: 44
                      0
                      The problem is that these trends from philosophical disputes went into hostilities when the physical liquidation of opponents began, therefore, all the remaining main schools (having dealt with opponents first) - Islam, Christianity and Judaism, began to exterminate each other, and they themselves fell apart currents. Here, on different philosophies, entire states are created (for example, Vatican, Caliphate, Israel laughing ) But in fact it’s based on the doctrine that the earth is flatlaughing, in extreme cases, the Sun, Stars and Planets revolve around the Earth laughing
                      1. Arameev
                        Arameev 27 February 2017 23: 48
                        0
                        I don’t know how Christianity is with Islam, but Judaism never said that the earth is flat))) Kabbalists were not encrypted for nothing)))))))))
                      2. Arameev
                        Arameev 27 February 2017 23: 51
                        0
                        and finally! return Lilith !!!))) she would not buy a simple bullseye IMHO)))
                2. high
                  high 19 February 2017 09: 00
                  +2
                  They only laughed at this fake in the USA and Israel ...... apparently, ISIS friendship would fire at Eilat (Israel), and its bandits from Gaza would fire at the south of Israel.
                  By the way, your link doesn’t work .....
              3. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 18 February 2017 23: 26
                +5
                . "The Alawites - a hereditary caste of warriors," ////

                Not at all. The Alawites are peaceful peasants from Latakia province. They were never any warriors. Therefore, the French during the French mandate and began to willingly recruit them into the army: they did not have any ambitions, military leaders, they willingly studied and served for a good salary.
                But then it turned out that they are the only organized force in Syria. The French left, and the Alawites seized power in all 5 provinces. So a small group began to rule Syria.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 18 February 2017 23: 55
                  0
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  They were never any warriors.

                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  began to readily recruit them into the army

                  Well, in the army you won’t just pick up someone, don’t you know, the same Syrians and Egyptians with a bunch of tanks, but with a crowd of sheep breeders they were just meat laughing
                  In the 18th century, the Alawites knocked out all very aggressive Ismailis from Syria, fought with the Turks and were distinguished by military cavalry, helped Napoleon, etc.
                  1. krass
                    krass 19 February 2017 06: 42
                    0
                    Quote: hrych
                    Well, in the army you can’t just pick someone

                    Come on laughing

                    Quote: hrych
                    In the 18th century, the Alawites knocked out all very aggressive Ismailis from Syria, fought with the Turks and were distinguished by military cavalry, helped Napoleon, etc.

                    What then to do with the Mongols? Descendants of Genghis Khan. yes
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                    2. hrych
                      hrych 19 February 2017 13: 37
                      0
                      Quote: krass
                      What then to do with the Mongols?
                      And to do nothing, they are completely irrelevant to the Genghisides, even if Tibetan lamas recognized him as ethnically or genetically neither Tibetan llamas recognized him as such laughing

                      Here he is a descendant of Genghis Khan and Temir (for heap), a lifetime portrait of Shah Jahan from the Mughal dynasty.
                      And the Alawites are warrior riders, which, earlier in specialization in any army, were revered as the elite.
                2. Maz
                  Maz 19 February 2017 09: 28
                  +2
                  Again the French ... Ours in Syria say that these Europeans spoil the blood of the Russian aerospace forces most of all
      2. commbatant
        commbatant 18 February 2017 21: 29
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        Here is the question of Kurdistan. The United States in Syria can only fight on the side of the Kurds (which is limited and do). The partition of Syria between the Russian Federation, Turkey and Iran is in full swing. Trump on the Kurds is still silent, but Iran, Turkey and Assad do not need Kurds. It’s most convenient to take the racca closer to the Kurds if the United States supports them with aviation. The Euphrates will be under the control of the Kurds and the USA, they will have oil, water - the strongest argument of the desert will be with them.


        In my opinion, the RF has already received everything that it wanted - VMB and AvB for 49 years, i.e. control over the entire coast of the ATS, what else is needed? Now we can sell old rubbish (give away) the ATS and pretend that we are interested in the fate of the ATS ....
        1. hrych
          hrych 18 February 2017 21: 52
          +2
          Quote: commbatant
          control over the entire coast of the ATS, what else is needed?

          Plus control of industrial megacities like Damascus and Aleppo, i.e. control over the bulk of the population of the republic, received an air corridor (which can always go overland) through Iran and Iraq. They demonstrated weapon systems scaring everyone, including the hegemon. Disrupted plans for the construction of competitive pipelines, etc.
          1. commbatant
            commbatant 18 February 2017 22: 48
            +1
            which can always go overland) through Iran and Iraq.


            I think this is not so simple, even if there is a land group without allies in the person of Kurds or Turks ...
        2. padded jacket
          padded jacket 18 February 2017 22: 50
          +3
          Quote: commbatant
          In my opinion, the RF has already received everything that it wanted - VMB and AvB for 49 years, i.e. control over the entire coast of the ATS, what else is needed?

          Still, we need peaceful Syria under the leadership of a man devoted to our country and not an enclave in which there is an endless war, and instead of calmly "doing things" at our bases, we will be forced to defend them hourly from the land of the sea and air.
          So you have an extremely one-sided concept of bases and generally our efforts in Syria.
          1. commbatant
            commbatant 18 February 2017 23: 37
            +1
            So you have an extremely one-sided concept of bases and generally our efforts in Syria.


            the concepts may be different, they won’t ask me or your opinion, well, if this makes it easier for you, consider that your concept is closest to the real situation ...
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 18 February 2017 23: 42
              +1
              Quote: commbatant
              concepts may be different, neither my nor your opinion will be asked

              Well yes.
              Quote: commbatant
              Well, if it makes it easier for you, consider that your concept is closest to the real situation ...

              So I think that my concept is much closer to the real state of affairs
      3. padded jacket
        padded jacket 18 February 2017 23: 13
        +3
        Quote: hrych
        US in Syria can only fight on the side of the Kurds

        Personally, I have a strong suspicion that the United States in Syria will fight on the side of ISIS.
        1. commbatant
          commbatant 18 February 2017 23: 33
          +1
          I’m afraid everyone has such a suspicion, God forbid that we make a mistake regarding the “bearers of democracy”
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 19 February 2017 00: 42
            +1
            Quote: commbatant
            I’m afraid everyone has such a suspicion, God forbid that we make a mistake regarding the “bearers of democracy”

            Very true, it would be better if we were mistaken at the expense of the USA.
    2. ViKLeV
      ViKLeV 18 February 2017 22: 38
      +1
      States need to figure out where to get in - the territory has already been divided
  2. mad
    mad 18 February 2017 19: 53
    +3
    Weren't these generals almost a year and a half ago whining with the voice of the jackal Tabaki about the thousands of coffins that would fly from Syria to Russia?
  3. APASUS
    APASUS 18 February 2017 19: 54
    +3
    The Americans are in a hurry to partition Syria, but they don’t need ISIS to hell. It has become increasingly clear that the Russians, Syrians and Iranians will finish the Barmel men without the help of the Americans, but this can not be a priori! After all, America in every barrel gag
    1. krass
      krass 18 February 2017 20: 20
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Americans rush to partition Syria

      Syria is already divided.
  4. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 18 February 2017 20: 00
    +2
    Iran now benefits from being at least a travel companion of Russia in relation to the Syrian issue.
  5. kouldoom
    kouldoom 18 February 2017 20: 10
    +1
    What to say Iran defends its interests.
    1. German1314
      German1314 18 February 2017 21: 39
      +2
      The state protects its interests - this is normal.
  6. Rabinowicz
    Rabinowicz 18 February 2017 20: 27
    +6
    Iran is a sponsor of terrorism.
    1. Hawaloh
      Hawaloh 18 February 2017 20: 53
      +10
      Israel, no better.
      Two boots (felt boots, pima, unta, ichiga) pair.
      Who were the founders of terrorism, Sicaria for example. Yes, and in RI, Jewish terrorists left their mark.
    2. commbatant
      commbatant 18 February 2017 21: 33
      +1
      And he is not alone, and you know no better than me ...
    3. ViKLeV
      ViKLeV 18 February 2017 22: 43
      +3
      You forgot to name the USA and Saudi Arabia. Or is it scary to make such an admission? Events in Lebanon and Syria did not pass by your special services - they eliminated dangerous countries.
    4. padded jacket
      padded jacket 18 February 2017 22: 45
      +5
      Quote: Rabinovich
      Iran is a sponsor of terrorism.

      How is Israel? You're wrong.
      Iran is a peaceful country which, unlike the Tel Aviv regime, is on the contrary fighting ISIS terrorists.
      1. Arameev
        Arameev 19 February 2017 01: 46
        +3
        Quote: quilted jacket

        Iran is a peaceful country which, unlike the Tel Aviv regime, is on the contrary fighting ISIS terrorists.

        ... by the forces of other terrorists - Hezbollons. and their ksir is no better. own people hold total state terror in submission to religious clerical fanatics.
        1. Maz
          Maz 19 February 2017 09: 31
          +2
          You have no better place in any city of Israel for every three hundred meters of the radius of residential and non-residential buildings, there are seven synagogues, and the Jews are encouraged to do what you must do with special tenderness from infancy and every single day for the most devout, plus once a week on Shabbat for everyone else! Where are our former political commissars and commissars. They are against the synagogue system = small children with their Communist Party. Whose cow would mumble, and the Jewish one would give milk, and not milk others while fooling his head with empty chatter
          1. Arameev
            Arameev 19 February 2017 13: 41
            0
            Quote: Maz
            You don’t have better, in any city of Israel for every three hundred meters of radius of residential and non-residential buildings there are seven synagogues,
            the whole difference with your clients is that there are fanatical clerics, the only real political power in power, and they dictate to everyone how to live without accepting the slightest dissent. we have clericals in power, too, but among other political forces, they are deprived of the possibility of an unconditional dictate in society. and the synagogues (which is a simple house of worship, by the way. and not a temple), in our vast majority, are private. that is, they are organized and belong to ordinary citizens or to the community of citizens. they are created closer to home, for the convenience of visiting three times a day.
    5. Redfox3k
      Redfox3k 19 February 2017 01: 31
      +3
      According to the Jews? May be. For all other nations - a peaceful state. And do not rub your exceptionality: for every tricky bolt there is no less tricky nut. It would be time for the world Zhidomas already .... sorry ... the "world" elite would accept this as a fact.
      1. Arameev
        Arameev 19 February 2017 13: 56
        0
        Quote: Redfox3k
        According to the Jews? May be. For all other nations - a peaceful state. And do not rub your exceptionality: for every tricky bolt there is no less tricky nut. It would be time for the world Zhidomas already .... sorry ... the "world" elite would accept this as a fact.

        according to common sense. and you don’t need to pass off your point of view as the opinion of “all other peoples”, referring to the invented “exclusivity” of the Zhidomas ... sorry ... of the “world elite”. it's time to stop believing in bullshit. hi
  7. German1314
    German1314 18 February 2017 21: 36
    0
    Kurds are wonderful people. Repeatedly talked with them in Turkey. I believe the Kurds, I have doubts about the Turks, but this is my personal opinion
    1. Atlant-1164
      Atlant-1164 18 February 2017 21: 52
      +3
      convincing opinion of 80 million. people.)
    2. cost
      cost 19 February 2017 02: 38
      +3
      Kurds are wonderful people.

      One of the best
      Repeatedly talked with them in Turkey.

      My ancestors also "talked" with them repeatedly. Both in Turkey and in Persia.
  8. padded jacket
    padded jacket 18 February 2017 23: 20
    +2
    Quote: hrych

    It is precisely between the Shiite enclaves that Riyadh lies laughing They also need to be connected, because most of the territory of Saudi Arabia is a desert, then lightning raids are very possible, a typical example of ISIS raids is when they capture cities that have one or two roads through the desert (so Vegas laughing )

    No, Riyadh has no value. Well, unless they capture Mecca where there are shrines and Sunnis and Shiites.
    1. commbatant
      commbatant 18 February 2017 23: 40
      0
      Quote: quilted jacket
      Quote: hrych

      It is precisely between the Shiite enclaves that Riyadh lies laughing They also need to be connected, because most of the territory of Saudi Arabia is a desert, then lightning raids are very possible, a typical example of ISIS raids is when they capture cities that have one or two roads through the desert (so Vegas laughing )

      No, Riyadh has no value. Well, unless they capture Mecca where there are shrines and Sunnis and Shiites.


      It doesn’t, if in the east of Saudi Arabia all the oil (most of it) of the Persian Gulf is located
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 18 February 2017 23: 53
        +1
        Quote: commbatant
        It doesn’t, if in the east of Saudi Arabia all the oil (most of it) of the Persian Gulf is located

        So what? Riyadh and then what?
        1. commbatant
          commbatant 19 February 2017 00: 08
          +1
          Nothing to do with, except that this capital of Saudi Arabia
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 19 February 2017 00: 17
            +1
            Quote: commbatant
            Nothing to do with, except that this capital of Saudi Arabia

            Is that all? It has no strategic, cultural or religious significance, and the oil that is in Saudi Arabia and so under Shiites.
            Major oil fields in Saudi Arabia

            Saudi Arabia fears Shiites will take all its oil
            “Almost all of the fossil fuel in the Persian Gulf lies under the territories inhabited by Shiites. This is true even for Sunni Saudi Arabia, in which large oil fields are located in the eastern province, the majority of which are Shiites. ”
            ........ in Saudi Arabia, the royal family’s worst nightmare is hiding - the fear that the Shiites of the country will secede, take away all the oil and join the Shiites of Iran
            https://ria.ru/world/20160107/1355981766.html
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 19 February 2017 08: 01
              +1
              If necessary, the Saudis will declare jihad to the Shiites, since from the point of view of the Sunnis, the more so the Wahhabi sense, Shiites are heretics and apostates, i.e. worse than infidels. And the Saudi army, or at least the army elite, is like picking Sunnis. Of course, the Persians can throw small things like AK-47 and RPG to the Shiite "brothers", but this is a weak argument against aviation and armor.
            2. commbatant
              commbatant 19 February 2017 18: 47
              0
              I did not dispute this, Bahrain seems Shiite ...
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 February 2017 02: 10
    +2
    the campaign, Trump does the opposite ... and there certainly is nothing to do with the meritosia in Syria ... we figured that you can then "head" the fight against the barmales, and you will be awarded victory laurels ...
  10. Revolver
    Revolver 19 February 2017 07: 51
    +1
    Trump on Iran and specifically the Ayatollah specifically wanted to lay. And if after "laying down" the ayatollahs will rock the boat, then he can not only put down, but also discard the c-thread more seriously. And rightly so.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 19 February 2017 08: 40
      +4
      Iran seems to be the only state where it is necessary to obtain the approval of clerics to become president. I wonder how long this state of affairs will remain in the largest Shiite country.
  11. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 19 February 2017 09: 05
    +1
    I believe that the presence of foreigners in Arab territory is a way for extremists to unite and recruit new militants from youth who are deprived of their rights.
    That's right, so the Persians must be deduced from there.
  12. Wasiliy1985
    Wasiliy1985 19 February 2017 19: 55
    +1
    It’s an amusing “vinaigrette” .. May God forbid our special forces to work there - let diplomats do their best beautifully !!