Incident when unloading ammunition near Novorossiysk

It was confirmed by the information that four Russian servicemen were injured near Novorossiysk while unloading boxes of ammunition. Interfax, referring to the press service of the Southern Military District, reports that the ignition of the powder charge has occurred.

From the report:

As a result of the incident, two servicemen received light contusions, two more were injured by the expansion of the wooden closure. Currently, injured servicemen are assisted in one of the local hospitals.

LifeNews publishes the names of the victims:
1. Garifulla Zh., born in 1996.
2. Andrey G, born in 1997
3. Vladislav I., born in 1997
4. Nikolai K., born in 1996

The same resource reports that two soldiers diagnosed fractures of the limbs caused by a fall as a result of mechanical and thermal effects.

The submission states that the unloading was carried out at the Tunnel station (Krasnodar region). The servicemen injured during the incident serve in one of the military unit of the city of Mozdok. They were temporarily seconded to the warehouses in the area of ​​the Natuhaevskaya stanitsa (Krasnodar Territory).

Comments

[Severok]

That's it !!! And where, green trees, was at that time responsible for the work? What did he do? How were the boys instructed, what was explained and how?
Foolishness and carelessness, and at the same time irresponsibility of officials led to the state of emergency.

[Russian Moldavian]

Quote: Severok

That's it !!! And where, green trees, was at that time responsible for the work? What did he do? How were the boys instructed, what was explained and how?
Foolishness and carelessness, and at the same time irresponsibility of officials led to the state of emergency.

It is not mistaken who does nothing. The guys feel sorry

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Russian Moldovans

It is not mistaken who does nothing. The guys feel sorry

Guys really feel sorry. Now the debriefing will begin, someone will be punished exemplary, they will be given a bunch of tips and instructions on how to "prevent further" and ..... they will calmly forget about the incident!

[Monos]

Thank God everyone is alive.

[cniza]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Quote: Russian Moldovans

It is not mistaken who does nothing. The guys feel sorry

Guys really feel sorry. Now the debriefing will begin, someone will be punished exemplary, they will be given a bunch of tips and instructions on how to "prevent further" and ..... they will calmly forget about the incident!

They will punish the switchmen again, but thank God everyone is alive.

[The brightest]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Guys really feel sorry. Now the debriefing will begin, someone will be punished exemplary, they will be given a bunch of tips and instructions on how to "prevent further" and ..... they will calmly forget about the incident!

Are they sorry? I am 90% sure that they themselves had a good night's break. It’s good that they didn’t raise the warehouse into the air, otherwise they wouldn’t have collected the bones.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Lightest

Are they sorry? I am 90% sure that they themselves had a good night's break. It’s good that they didn’t raise the warehouse into the air, otherwise they wouldn’t have collected the bones.

and where was the eldest at that time, as I remember with a flying jacket, when I received the ammunition and loaded it, I listened to the lecture and put my signature in the TB magazine, then, under the supervision of the lecturer, they loaded boxes with ammunition (cartridges, grenades, RPGs), then he put the painting on the "invoice" and we went to the unit, the same thing happened there, only for unloading and storage ...
IMHO in this situevine someone scored on something ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: Lightest

It’s good that the warehouse wasn’t raised to the air, and they wouldn’t have collected bones

- there is no warehouse at the Tunnel station
- as I understand it, there they’ve handled something from the train to the car
- how can one do this to “ignite the powder”, I honestly do not understand.

[Lexa-149]

But it’s very simple! Some monkey dismantled the ammunition, wanting to see the insides. She boasted to her comrades and wished to see how the powder burned.
The result is obvious. And on the face ...

[commbatant]

Ukraine is near there, so it could not have done without the "Japanese spies", maybe even someone will be awarded ...

[Tatyana Hurricane]

They will forget it before repetition, and the rest will have to learn the responsibility

[krass]

Quote: Russian Moldovan

It is not mistaken who does nothing. The guys feel sorry

Weak consolation.
TB is above all.
That's when it is driven into the head - then it won’t be
1. Such incidents
2. Such uninformative articles on VO.

[33 Watcher]

Quote: krass

Quote: Russian Moldovan

It is not mistaken who does nothing. The guys feel sorry

Weak consolation.
TB is above all.
That's when it is driven into the head - then it won’t be
1. Such incidents
2. Such uninformative articles on VO.

Do not give advice on how to ship bp. Tell us how not to fly into Bosnia and Herzegovina ..? Well, please tell me, otherwise I'm so afraid.

[MPK105]

I don’t know how many times they loaded and unloaded the ammunition both manually and by cranes, I don’t remember any incidents ... I need to be more careful, and do not rush, hurry slowly.

[Gray brother]

Quote: MPK105

.. Carefully it is necessary, and do not rush-hurry slowly.

Ignite the powder charge - this must be able to.
Even if you drop the box or hammer it, then the blow should give off enough heat ...

[Gray brother]

... although, if the charges were old or their storage conditions were violated, pyroxylin could be released and then an explosion could easily result from a small exposure.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Gray Brother

then pyroxylin could stand out and then a small explosion could easily cause an explosion.

I beg you, because pyroxylin is very hygroscopic, especially since it is not used anywhere now, and since 1914 ... like that.
Minus for not knowing the Matches.

[cost]

Gray brother ... although, if the charges were old or their storage conditions were violated, pyroxylin could be released and then an explosion could easily result from a small exposure.

statement of a professional military forum. you cannot say otherwise. For your information:

Pyroxylin is stable in storage, does not decompose, and so dangerous nitroglycerin does not stand out from it, as from dynamite. Pyroxylin can be stored for decades without any changes, which means that it is possible to create the necessary supply of shells in advance in case of war. The properties of pyroxylin are not affected by frost, while frozen dynamite becomes very dangerous. When wet, pyroxylin can be screwed, cut, sawed, shaped into any shape - a property especially valuable for use in shells. It can be pressed by squeezing water out of it and adjusting it to the desired degree of sensitivity. From an open flame, pyroxylin only ignites and burns without explosion. Pyroxylin does not usually explode from a bullet

More details: http://warinform.ru/News-view-87.html

[Gray brother]

Quote: Rich

For your information

Wrong - nitroglycerin of course.

[210ox]

And here it’s not so! There should be no mistakes when handling ammunition!

Quote: Russian Moldovans

Quote: Severok

That's it !!! And where, green trees, was at that time responsible for the work? What did he do? How were the boys instructed, what was explained and how?
Foolishness and carelessness, and at the same time irresponsibility of officials led to the state of emergency.

It is not mistaken who does nothing. The guys feel sorry

[APASUS]

Quote: Russian Moldovan

It is not mistaken who does nothing. The guys feel sorry

TB written when unloading ammunition blood written! Where else to be mistaken?

[33 Watcher]

Quote: Severok

And where, green trees, was at that time responsible for the work? What did he do?

It is possible that he is among four in the hospital. Do not prematurely pour in ... Dangerous cargo, therefore dangerous ...

[rasputin17]

A horse on four legs and he stumbles! What can I do where I fell I would lay straws! And so it happens every day! Only not everything is notified! More often it is hushed up at its level !!! And what about PARTNERS less?

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Severok

How were the boys instructed, what was explained and how?

By age, these boys seem to serve on a contract basis. If they are taken into the army at the age of 18, then they are already 20-21.

[adma]

Quote: Severok

And where ... was at that time responsible for the work? What did he do? How were the boys instructed, what was explained and how?

Well, obviously not set fire to the powder. Could the person responsible for unloading prevented

ignition of a powder charge.

? And why, in fact, did the charge ignite? After all, there is no investigation materials and it is not clear why the incident occurred. But you have already appointed the last one. How is it in our army

[kapitan92]

Quote: Severok

Foolishness and carelessness, and at the same time irresponsibility of officials led to the state of emergency.

The main thing is alive! And there are enough gouging among officials. I remember how instructor instructed
l / s . The names of the fighters do not write, the sergeant certainly was.

[Baloo]

It’s like in Pugacheva’s song: I wanted to make a star, but I got a goat, a pink goat ...
Here are all the troubles in any business from sloppiness, incompetence, lack of control, distribution ... re. Where was the commander?

[brr1]

Captain obvious.

[Zubr]

I'm interested in why the powder charge ignited. ? And the powder charge from what? Looks like the powder charge was not weak.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Zubr

I'm interested in why the powder charge ignited.

With the decomposition of gunpowder pyroxylin is released - it explodes easily.
Kicked the box - went to the moon.

[wandlitz]

A safety violation is the cause of most of the emergency.

[Severok]

So, people, I clarify my words in the top comment.
Since my 40 years and 15 years of service, they are boys, the eldest of works is an open race .... th is the same. If you look at the higher two-luminous car-borne bosses, then these ghouls with 80% confidence did not do anything to ensure the safety of work. Both the sender of the cargo (shelf life of the explosives, closure, condition and escort of the cargo), as well as the receiving party (providing a satellite up to the gloves, training people in the rules of BO with explosives during loading / unloading, personal presence of representatives of the RAV service in the officer rank) . Please do not be offended, but so I see. I come from personal experience.

[Parsec]

Not a word in the article about the causes of the incident, but you are already sculpting both the guilty and the organizational conclusions; well, at least the commander hasn’t been touched yet, and the Minister of Defense - for now - has escaped the blasting curse in the language of a 15-year-old servant.
Your early emotions are the absolutization of personal experience and an exaggeration of its significance, as well as your personal significance.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: Parsec

Not a word in the article about the causes of the incident

Tell me at least one natural reason for the ignition of a powder charge in the winter. I think the reason is not following the rules for handling BP and explosives. And to monitor their compliance is the direct responsibility of the commanders. For unloading railway transport, the minimum beginning was responsible. of the RAV warehouse department, and this is an officer no lower than the captain, plus for each wagon there was a warrant officer (sergeant c / s). And they all about .... watched the moment of violation; bonfire, bare wire lights in cars, smoking in the wrong place. And the words "interfax, referring to the press service of the Southern Military District" are very embarrassing - we really love (commanders of all degrees) to smooth out the incident.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Severok

personal presence of representatives of the RAV service in the officer rank

25 years I gave to the RAV service, how many transports I loaded / unloaded did not count, and how many boxes fell, how many piles were piled up, I don’t count, but the main thing is not to smoke, how many cars came literally covered with gunpowder, sometimes I just had to drive a cigarette with my fist in the snout, they didn’t understand otherwise, but all of us, alive and not burnt, went home to our mothers, and even said thank you for teaching us t / b.

(storage periods of explosives, closure, condition and escort of cargo), as well as the receiving party (providing a satellite up to gloves,

What a capping, for a long time since the 80s the definition has been used in the troops - container
What kind Satellite, what kind gloves, while I was still a lieutenant with five Tajik soldiers, I unloaded two wagons with Grad shots, it’s normal, my hands hung to the ground and no gloves, they gave me working gloves and go ahead.

Please do not be offended, but so I see. I come from personal experience.

I don’t know about your experience, but in my time the personnel remained alive, and under Serdyukovschina it was only audible that it exploded, they died ...

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Severok

So, people, I clarify my words in the top comment.
Since my 40 years and 15 years of service, they are boys, the eldest of works is an open race .... th is the same. If you look at the higher two-luminous car-borne bosses, then these ghouls with 80% confidence did not do anything to ensure the safety of work. Both the sender of the cargo (shelf life of the explosives, closure, condition and escort of the cargo), as well as the receiving party (providing a satellite up to the gloves, training people in the rules of BO with explosives during loading / unloading, personal presence of representatives of the RAV service in the officer rank) . Please do not be offended, but so I see. I come from personal experience.

So, from my 43 years and almost 27 years of service calendars (in the Armed Forces since August 1990), I can say that how many do not instruct, if the mouse performs sexual intercourse in the hands, there will be no military service safety! And the double-lumen guys will not be unloaded have a direct relationship in terms of security. We at one time and howitzers rolled our hands uphill and nothing. It’s all a matter of chance. And personally, you’ll not always be in time for all objects. Unless of course the author understands what this is. or "megaofitseru" and in the bushes! Unfortunately the quality of the variable composition leaves much to be desired. Undoubtedly a pity for the victims.

[Evil 55]

A soldier, as an optional, disorganized and irresponsible person, SHOULD NOT be allowed to work with potentially dangerous devices and substances IN ANY EVENT ..

[krass]

Quote: Angry 55

A soldier, as an optional, disorganized and irresponsible person, SHOULD NOT be allowed to work with potentially dangerous devices and substances IN ANY EVENT ..

Then only the construction battalion will remain in the army-- and even then I’m not sure

[Cat man null]

Quote: Evil 55

A soldier, as an optional, disorganized and irresponsible person, SHOULD NOT be allowed to work with potentially dangerous devices and substances IN ANY EVENT ..

- who do you propose to overload boxes from wagons into the car (do not offer Martians)?

[Parsec]

Quote: Angry 55

A soldier, as an optional, disorganized and irresponsible person, SHOULD NOT be allowed to work with potentially dangerous devices and substances IN ANY EVENT ..

At eighteen, a citizen of Russia has the right:
- to start a family;
- elect the supreme power and be elected as a deputy of the representative body of the municipality, vote in a referendum; decide the fate of the country!
- drive a vehicle - a truck, a car, an airplane, a ship;
- establish an enterprise, hire people and conduct economic activity;
- personally responsible for the defense of their homeland, use group and personal weapons;
- and much more.
He was drafted into the Armed Forces, and immediately goes into the category of teenage overgrown, and with any emergency, the screech "Where was the commander ?!"
Question to the officer: "What is your worst nightmare ?!" Expected atomic strike, burning earth, corpses in melted tanks, boiling rivers ... And not a fig. The worst nightmare is when a soldier goes to crap and falls into a point (and he can!), And don’t bring the Lord’s leg to hurt. Because then it will be necessary to develop instructions for the dispatch of natural necessities, approve, bring to the personnel under the signature before each departure, and carry out everything under the control and guidance of the officer.
This is when a one-year-old baby eats chicken poop, you need to ask, "Where was my mother ?!", and here adults are at serious work; personal gouging - a bad fighter and the Red Army is not good ...

[Monarchist]

Everything happens during loading and unloading. It was the same with the tsar and with the Union and now, with us and behind the cordon

[Banishing liberoids]

It’s good that the truth was told about this incident, they didn’t hide or bustle, such as all about, kay! As always, the problem is to figure out who exactly is guilty.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

As always, the problem is to figure out who exactly is guilty.

Exorcist, I welcome you!
There is no difficulty. Everything is very simple:
1. This is a group accident that will be investigated by investigators of the UK. The technique worked out to the smallest detail!
2. A document is taken, such as the "Rules of OT during loading and unloading operations", federal rules and regulations when using lifting facilities at the OPO (but they were loaded there manually!), Rules for the handling of explosive substances and other "cancer documents from the Portfolio", where all who painted what should do ...
3. Next, an Instruction is taken, according to which the unloading of powder charges of separate loading was organized ... and it is compared what the "smart military" did not take into account.
4. Further: The magazine of instruction on safety measures during the production of (potentially) hazardous work; when and who instructed (moreover, targeted (!) instruction is needed. Who supervised the unloading of charges and whether he was allowed to do this kind of work ... And this is the protocol for examinations by a qualified commission and based on this the order of the commander in / unit ...
So, be sure: everyone will be rewarded according to their deserts and the degree of violation of safety requirements ...

[bald]

--- "referring to the press service of the Southern Military District, reports that there has been an ignition of the powder charge." --- I wish the guys a quick recovery. And now the question is - what was the powder in the bags? If one of the ammunition detonated, they would also have exploded in the neighborhood, not everything is clear, ammunition. Gunpowder is not open in this case. Let's say a grenade (of any type), a TNT bomb or fuses to them --- they can be activated only mechanically (manually), there are no serious ammunition (then there would be no living). Information is doubtful.

[Genry]

The organizer (responsible) of loading and unloading is to blame.
Most likely there was inappropriate or faulty equipment. Something crookedly became and fell or broke ...

[kirgiz58]

From dropped or broken charges are not ignited.

[Genry]

If you squeeze something (increase pressure) or strike, it means transferring energy. With enough energy, the explosive reaction will begin and ignition or explosion will occur.

[kirgiz58]

We all know physics in one way or another. I will even expand the intended spectrum of impacts; and friction, and magnetic fluxes, and even sunlight, like other, not named by me, influences can lead to an explosion (ignition) of charges. But as practice shows, the reasons are much simpler: smoking, bonfire, bare wires. Even the drop of ammunition from a height of two meters in a standard container will not lead to such consequences, unless the stack crushes the soldier, but there is no fire. So the organizer is to blame (as always), but the reason is the fighters themselves.

[Genry]

Quote: kirgiz58

But as practice shows, the reasons are much simpler: smoking, bonfire, bare wires.

Quote: kirgiz58

So the organizer is to blame (as always), but the reason is the fighters themselves.

If it came to a fire and smoking near the explosives, then the fighters had nothing to do with it. They are people and their minimum needs must be taken into account. And some people think that it is necessary to feed them a drink, - and the rest is nafig, because the fence will not let them scatter.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: Genry

If it came to a fire and smoking near the explosives, then the fighters had nothing to do with it.

Yeah! Shoigu is to blame. Why are there Shoigu, immediately take higher Supreme

Quote: Genry

Fall from a railway platform and a car body. And usually, the top box starts to fall first, not the bottom.

But there will be no fire !!!

[Genry]

Quote: kirgiz58

Yeah! Shoigu is to blame. Why are there Shoigu, immediately take higher Supreme

Why talk nonsense ...
You just need to provide a place of warming (warm room with a drink ...) and rest (equipped for a smoke break). Otherwise, life will take its course ... Here, the fool should be clear.

Quote: kirgiz58

But there will be no fire !!!

But here there are no guarantees. For a hundred drops, how many fires will be, it already depends on the devil.

[Genry]

Quote: kirgiz58

Even the drop of ammunition from a height of two meters in a standard container will not lead to such consequences, unless the stack crushes the soldier, but there is no fire.

Fall from a railway platform and a car body. And usually, the top box starts to fall first, not the bottom.

[Bronevick]

The kid is green.

[revnagan]

Get well soon guys ... The main thing is alive.

[Irek]

Once a truck with shells to D 30 turned over not far from our location in the exercises, three went into diesel and five officers in civilian life.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Gray Brother

then pyroxylin could stand out

Please explain what do you think of pyroxylin and where could it come from?

[Cruel beaver]

My father (deceased now) served 44-61.
He told me how, when loading into the tank, the BC stole a box (or zinc, I don’t know for sure) with machine gun cartridges. So it took half a year! I certainly don’t know the details, but the fact itself! And it was already after the Second World War.

[Monster_Fat]

It is really not clear what kind of charge ignited. If there’s an additional charge to the howitzer, then he’s in a silk bag with impregnation ... I see that it’s strange with a cigarette in his mouth, he opens the box, bends down to look, “what the hell is this?” - the ashes from the cigarette fall into the box with coal. ..

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Evil 55

A soldier, as an optional, disorganized and irresponsible person, SHOULD NOT be allowed to work with potentially dangerous devices and substances IN ANY EVENT ..

And who should unload? Uncle Venya from Alupka? You write no words to Bredyatin. Can you send platoon commanders instead of combat training? Or battalion commanders? Liberal, probably?

[a.hamster55]

25 again! Everything has already been repeatedly. 90% handshake and lack of self-preservation. What if it explodes - So we have one more ...