Smoot in Russia

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Smoot in Russia

Distemper in Russia is a lesson for the entire Russian civilization and people. The centenary of the 1917 revolution allows us to assess the causes of the turmoil in the Russian Empire at the beginning of the 20th century and avoid a possible catastrophe in the present. It should always be remembered that the basis of any unrest in Russia is social injustice. The situation when a minority that calls itself an “elite” morally prone to parasitism on the work and life of other people tries to convince others of its superiority and the right to domination over other people, and consolidate this unfair order forever.

In the Russian Federation, we have already approached this dangerous line: 2-3% of the population owns up to 90% of all the country's wealth, about 40% of people live in extreme poverty and destitution. In terms of education, science, and health, we are rapidly slipping into the group of developing countries. At the same time, the government continues to cut social spending, preferring to invest in entertainment, professional sports ("spectacles"). A striking example is the 2018 World Cup, which is not needed by the majority of the Russian population.



In this way, the moment is approaching when the limit of strength laid down in Soviet civilization will be exhausted. There is already the question of the survival of Russian civilization, the Russian super-ethnos. Russia must make a qualitative leap into the future, on the model of the Stalinist empire, while preserving the territory, its Russianness - the Russian language, culture and history, multiplying the indigenous population in the XXI century. Otherwise, it will have a sad future: a resource base for the countries of the West and the East, a source of “brains” and biological material (outflow of youth, women and children abroad) and a “reserve airfield” (territory) for the owners of the western world. The people will be assimilated, will lose their language, self-consciousness, become ethnographic material for the peoples of the South and the project “Global Babylon”, which is being built by Westerners.

Distemper in Russia is a social crisis that is shaking the whole civilization, putting it on the verge of self-destruction and leading to a change of ideology, elite and statehood. The basis of unrest is the inability of the majority and the unwillingness of a minority to build a society in which ethics (or dictatorship) of conscience reigns and where everyone is protected from parasitism on his work and life.

It is fair to say that at present the unfair management concept prevails on the planet, which leads humanity to the global neo-slave-owning civilization, the dominance of the “golden calf” (in terms of Christianity - Satanism), when everything is bought and sold. In this world, only a narrow layer of slave owners, social parasites, flourishes, and the majority of people are artificially lowered into a state of slavery, although they may remain in the illusion of complete freedom. The minority, the “elect”, morally prone to parasitism on work and the lives of people, through domination in the media and the entire information environment, are trying to convince other people that the “elite” is superior to others and has the right to domination over other people.

However, life does not obey this kind of demonic arbitrariness and gives its answer in the form of distemper. The nature of this answer may differ in that people know and are able to be oppressed by social parasites. If they know little and are able to, then there will be a riot (“God forbid, to see Russian revolt - senseless and merciless”). If the dream of the leaders of the oppressed is the redistribution of property, to have their slaves (“from rags to riches”), then there will also be a war of all against all, unrest bringing the country to the brink of self-destruction. At the same time, foreign “partners” will not remain on the sidelines, they will in every way support the potential of unrest, kindle it for their own purposes. That is, to strive for the final solution of the “Russian question” - the destruction of the Russian matrix of being, civilization and the Russian super-ethnos.

If the fate of both slaves and social parasites (slave owners) becomes equally unacceptable for people without distinction of their origin, social status, they either take the path of righteousness and get the opportunity to transform all of Russia and the Earth into the Kingdom of God. We have seen such an example in our history. As a group of Russian communists led by Stalin managed to defeat the machinations of both our “partners” of the West, their agents of influence and henchmen led by Trotsky, who led Russia to destruction for the “good of all enlightened humanity”, and internal social parasites who the clothes of democratic democrats and revolutionaries in reality only dreamed of taking the place of the former "masters of life."

A good image of this order can be seen in the magnificent Soviet film “The Man from Capuchin Boulevard” (1987). In the Wild West (the image of the whole world) an unjust order flourishes: depravity, dependence on daturats (alcohol, tobacco), violence. A woman in such a world is only an object of lust ("The legs are taller - and complete success! If only the legs were visible ..."), or the housewife ("Children, the kitchen, the church"). It is used by social parasites - in the film they are images of the owner of the saloon Harry McCew, pastor Adams and Mr. Second. At the same time, people feel that this world is wrong. Cowboy Billy King says: “This is how we rest, Johnny. And the soul wants something else ... Light, big ... ”Mr. John Fest tries to change the world for the better, so that ethics of conscience prevails in him.

Johnny says about the current situation: “Take a look ... around ... you will see a world that is imperfect! A country that got lost! Blood, vice and greed are the ones that divide us. We have reached the limit beyond which is the abyss and eternal darkness. But ... there is a way out! ”Billy also gives the most rigorous assessment of reality:“ What can I say, we all are crap and swim in shit! ”In principle, this is the image of the present world, including Russia. Fest gives an image of the future: “Right here, and then everywhere. We will all live differently. Without anger and sadness, for the good of the whole earth. As we have long dreamed, but could not! ”

At the same time, here we see a hint of the fate of Soviet civilization: “As we have long dreamed of, but we could not!” In the USSR, they began to build a society of the future, a society of creation and service, with the domination of ethics of conscience, without parasitism of some over others. Soviet civilization has achieved unprecedented success in building a "bright future", opening up the possibility of creating a fair world order to all of humanity. However, external and internal enemies of the Soviet civilization were able to interrupt this process. The reborn Soviet elite, dreaming of becoming “masters of life” and joining the ranks of the world “elite,” destroyed a great empire that followed the path of building a bright future for the entire Earth.

The pastor (“Do you really think that for your miserable ten dollars the Lord will tolerate your hesitations?”) And the owner of the saloon are representatives of the old “elite”, plotting, trying to return people to the past. But Johnny's righteousness does not allow them to carry out their dark intentions. The film “The Man from Boulevard des Capucines” emphasizes the huge role of the media, the creators of information flows. Johnny, with the help of positive images, was able to temporarily re-educate the majority, which has a vague idea of ​​correct life. Billy: “People live! They fall in love ... ”However, the majority do not know how to live correctly, there is no corresponding system of upbringing and education, which creates a stable“ human type of psyche ”. Therefore, when Johnny temporarily leaves the town for wedding gifts, his place is taken by the businessman Mr. Sakond who has arrived in the town, who is an “agent” of the unfair, parasitic concept of human development. And people quickly return back to the past, to violence, debauchery and drunkenness. Only Diana (the image of true love) and the gangster Black Jack, who "... is guilty only in the fact that he has never met a good person in his life," remain loyal to the "bright future". Jack taught a lot of life experience and the ability to distinguish between good and evil (“I knew a lot of happiness, I experienced the love of women, I knew the power of money, but all this is dust compared to ... that!”). Thus, hope for the ultimate victory of good is preserved.

To be continued ...
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  1. +14
    13 February 2017 06: 54
    A situation where a minority calling itself an “elite”, morally prone to parasitism in the work and life of other people, is trying to convince others of its superiority and the right to dominate other people, and to permanently consolidate this unjust order.
    I am always interested in the question: but these crystal-bakers, singers of monarchism, extolling to heaven the "kind, clever and generally wonderful king-priest" Nikolai the Bloody, how do they imagine the restoration of the monarchy? And at the same time the official, legal restoration of the estate society? Apparently, new crystal bakers a priori they have assigned themselves the role of the aristocracy, and to all the rest, “poor and wretched” —the role of the “tax class”? Will the ranking table be preserved, or “just in case of a fireman” will not be restored so that God forbid any aristocracy climbed? whatAnd the last thing, but are you not afraid that the people "will take up the pitchfork"? belay
    1. +8
      13 February 2017 08: 37
      Quote: Vladislav 73
      I am always interested in the question: but these crystal-bakers, singers of monarchism, extolling to heaven "the kind, intelligent and generally wonderful king-priest" Nikolai the Bloody, how do they imagine the restoration of the monarchy?

    2. +4
      13 February 2017 09: 13
      The gray cattle will not crawl anywhere; enough, the cooks have managed the state.
      No need to speak for all the people, do you specifically want to take up the pitchfork? Well, don’t be a cowardly cockroach, introduce yourself and tell us about who you’ll go to wet with a pitchfork. Afraid of being called? Understand. So the rest are also afraid. Therefore, sit quietly on the pope and leave your rogue fantasies to your children.
      1. +2
        13 February 2017 13: 03
        Why it will be necessary and write the address
      2. +7
        13 February 2017 17: 07
        Quote: Rock_n_Roll
        Therefore, sit quietly on the pope and leave your rogue fantasies to your children.

        But it’s not worth insulting. This is not an argument. It’s not for you, dear, to shut up me! I have every right to speak out. If you have something to say on the merits, say it, and if not, sit on the pope straight and be silent. And in general, what kind of liberal manner - there is nothing to say, but is it necessary to offend?
      3. 0
        16 February 2017 13: 00
        And you tweet, tweet until it turns out and deepen the tongue deeper, otherwise you will fly to the bottom of the pyramid in case of an incorrect or not so expressive smile. And the time will come there will be a person who lists ..... the treble will sign first there you will find yourself and you will remember the pitchfork as children's toys. It’s your happiness that our people are harnessing for a long time, but we’ll quickly go around on the bones I’ve arrived .... lei and sixes along the Transpolar Highway 2, now we’ll definitely finish building and we won’t spare the bones.
    3. +6
      13 February 2017 13: 04
      And here I am always interested in the question: is it because of a lack of mind that some people don’t see the difference between the Western-style monarchists and liberal “crystal bakers”, or is it a deliberate slander of the great past of Imperial Russia? Is it by chance that such people use Jewish definitions for the last Emperor ("bloody", "nicholas")? Is it by chance that such people wander into the VO instead of keeping company with Nevzorov and Svanidze in their myth-making about John IV and other Russian monarchs?
      1. +5
        13 February 2017 17: 20
        Kamrad gorgo, you correctly pose the question: why people respecting the monarchy, should be compared with libirsts? Just then, different liberals fell apart and the Great Empire. And then, under the pretext of "the return of Leninist democracy," they deceived Stalin, and then again they ruined the Union under the flag of Leninism.
      2. +2
        13 February 2017 18: 16
        Quote: gorgo
        And here I am always interested in the question: is it because of a lack of mind that some people do not see the difference between Western-style monarchists and liberal "crystal bakers", or is this a conscious blackening of the great past of Imperial Russia

        Before writing such nonsense (and it is noisy to approve the "comrade" Monarchist to approve of it), you would at least start by asking the essence of the matter! Yes Nobody equals liberal Westerners and crystal bakers! Liberasts are liberals, and crystal bakers are monarchists who dream of returning "ravishing evenings, beauties, footmen and crunch of French buns!" Yes So to expose your stupidity and at the same time talk about a lack of intelligence among others ... well, certainly not from a big mind negative
      3. +1
        13 February 2017 21: 35
        Quote: gorgo
        And here I am always interested in the question: it’s from a lack of mind that some people don’t see the difference between Western-style monarchists and liberal “crystal bakers”

        It seems to me that by and large they recall the country before perestroika, like golden time. YES was a lot of good, that's a fact. And any thought that could have been without revolutions causes fierce hatred.
        As a matter of fact, during perestroika, I noticed that the cries of that time that the country is so-and-so strongly resembled what I read about the Republic of Ingushetia - you can’t distinguish them in places. The truth then did not have the mind to understand.
    4. +2
      13 February 2017 17: 08
      Vladislav73, calm down: no one tomorrow will enter the "ranking card". Incidentally, the notorious “ranking card” at a certain historical stage is progressive
      1. +1
        13 February 2017 17: 12
        Quote: Monarchist
        Vladislav73, calm down: no one tomorrow will enter the "ranking card". Incidentally, the notorious “ranking card” at a certain historical stage is progressive

        I meant it, the ranking table as a social elevator. Otherwise, they will "restore" the monarchy, and some attributes will be "forgotten." And that’s all, the last hope went to dust ... crying laughing wink
    5. +1
      14 February 2017 21: 39
      Quote: Vladislav 73
      these crystal-bakers, singers of monarchism, extolling to heaven "the kind, clever and generally wonderful Tsar-priest" Nikolai the Bloody, how do they imagine the restoration of the monarchy? And at the same time the official, legal restoration of the estate society?

      I explain to the uncut red-bellied people: the monarchists see the restoration of the monarchy as the result of a nationwide referendum - when the people are finally finally tired of the venal power of the PZhiVchikov! And the dreams of rebuilding a class society are attributed to us by the red-bellied paired with the liberals! By the way, if we talk about the opinion of the common people: the name "Ivan Solonevich" doesn’t tell you anything? The most peasant origin ... can you refute at least one of his arguments? laughing
      1. 0
        14 February 2017 21: 57
        Quote: Weyland
        And the dreams of rebuilding a class society are attributed to us by the red-bellied paired with the liberals!

        Yes .... bullshit! belay A monarchy, which is historically flesh from the flesh of a class society, with hereditary power, hereditary privileges, an indispensable attribute of any monarchy, will suddenly become a democratic institution with an elected king? belay As president, for a fixed term? Not my friend, go get your hangover and don't touch the keyboard!
        1. +1
          15 February 2017 01: 52

          Quote: Vladislav 73
          As president, for a fixed term?

          Why? It's about one-time the act of choosing a dynasty at the Zemsky Sobor.
          Fedor Ioannovich, Boris Godunov, Vasily Shuisky and Mikhail Romanov, in fact, came to power in this way. Did not know?

          Quote: Vladislav 73
          A monarchy, which is historically flesh from the flesh of a class society, with hereditary power, hereditary privileges, an indispensable attribute of any monarchy, will suddenly become a democratic institution with an elected king?

          1) European - yes. Many Asian monarchies were by no means class.
          2) We live, in fact, in the 21st century, and we do not take the example from the Saudis or the Qatari people. In Europe, the estate monarchy remained, IMHO, only among the brazen with their House of Lords. And do you think Spain, Sweden, Norway, Holland, etc., are not democratic countries? laughing Although I, of course, am a supporter of the dualistic monarchy - in constitutional monarchies, in fact, the monarch is a puppet, and what for then is it needed?
          1. 0
            15 February 2017 09: 37
            Quote: Weyland
            This is a one-time act of choosing a dynasty at the Zemsky Sobor.

            Actually, Zemsky Sobor-estate-representative institution. Representatives of all participated estatesexcept serfs. From here there are 2 questions: Who are you going to record as slaves? And how does this relate to your statement:
            Quote: Weyland
            And the dreams of rebuilding a class society are attributed to us by the red-bellied paired with the liberals!

            Quote: Weyland
            Fedor Ioannovich, Boris Godunov, Vasily Shuisky and Mikhail Romanov, in fact, came to power in this way. Did not know?

            Yes, how do the "undercut red-bellied" know something! belay Where, we have no right to know, unlike "your" lordships, lordships and other blaarodias request
            Quote: Weyland
            Although I, of course, am a supporter of the dualistic monarchy - in constitutional monarchies, in fact, the monarch is a puppet, and what for then is it needed?

            Well, that’s what they’ve got to the point, what for? Do you need to cut the dough into the “Zemsky Sobor”, the coronation, the upkeep of the yard and other crap? request By the way, you are at the coronation of the "distribution of royal mercies," what title do you claim? laughing
            1. 0
              15 February 2017 20: 53
              Quote: Vladislav 73
              Representatives of all classes except serfs participated

              And it’s nothing that serfdom was secured only by the Council of 1649 - and the last election of the king was at the Council of 1613? laughing
              Quote: Vladislav 73
              Well, that’s all. Well, what for is he needed?

              In a constitutional monarchy, yes. In the dualistic - even as needed!
              "The politician thinks about the next election, the state husband - about the next generations (c). Any president forced to be a politician - otherwise they will not be re-elected. Any sane the monarch will be state. a figure - after all, to rule for children and grandchildren after him! Although, of course, it doesn’t always work out as intended: "Sasha! I’m giving you Russia in a bad way ..." (c)

              Quote: Vladislav 73
              By the way, you are at the coronation of the "distribution of royal mercies," what title do you claim?

              Do not think what your Homeland can do for you - think what you can do for the Homeland! (c) Do you think Solonevich mentioned by me was counting on some title?
              By the way, why do I need titles - my ancestors come from ON, and there are titles officially were canceled back in the 16th century: all the gentry were equal - and even could stand for the post of king! lol
              1. +1
                15 February 2017 21: 52
                Quote: Weyland
                And it’s nothing that serfdom was secured only by the Council of 1649 - and the last election of the king was at the Council of 1613?

                Well, before you laugh at your own stupidity, study the question for a start. The enslaving peasants were generally long before the centralized Moscow state. And your Cathedral 1649 not Serfdom fixed (which already was) and was fixed by various kinds of decrees, he only legally completed it , which is reflected in the Cathedral Code of 1649.
                Quote: Weyland
                Any president is forced to be a politician - otherwise they will not be re-elected. Any sane monarch will be state. a figure - after all, to rule for children and grandchildren after him! Although, of course, it doesn’t always work out as intended: "Sasha! I’m giving you Russia in a bad way ..."

                Yes, especially if you recall the “Master of the Russian Land” according to the census of 1897, I really thought soooo .... I didn’t sleep right at night! I don’t remember, d ... re.numdumka is rich! Well, about Tsushima defeat and how much he shot the raven, but what Alex said at the same time ... I think there’s no need to explain what canonized attitude is to him ... in short, I’ll keep silent, but they’ll request
                Quote: Weyland
                By the way, why do I need titles - my ancestors come from ON, and there the titles were officially canceled back in the 16th century: all the nobles were equal - and even could stand for the post of king!

                You are not from the Gediminas for an hour? If there will be a New Zemsky Cathedral (it’s clear that without serfs, red-bellied, and other rebellious boors), try to exhibit it! And then Volfovich already at Solovyov declared that he was ready to become the new king under the name Vladimir Honest laughing
              2. 0
                15 February 2017 22: 11
                Quote: Weyland
                By the way, why do I need titles - my ancestors come from ON, and there the titles were officially canceled back in the 16th century: all the nobles were equal - and even could stand for the post of king!

                But in the Commonwealth, whose inalienable territory became ON after the Union of Lublin in 1569, it seems like both the titles and the title were? Or how? belay
          2. 0
            15 February 2017 09: 50
            Quote: Weyland
            Many Asian monarchies were by no means class.

            Well, yes ... And it is necessary to add non-hereditary ones! I stabbed my predecessor, and the norms! good Sit yourself, despot. laughing Well, like Shah Nadir for example! A good role model good laughingAnd no expenses for the Zemsky Sobor! Total savings! good wink
            1. 0
              15 February 2017 20: 59
              Quote: Vladislav 73
              Killed the predecessor, and the rules!

              This was not only in the East. Your beloved Lenin is certainly no better than Shah Nadir!
              The main thing then is good PR:
              Here was, for example, King Pedro the Cruel. And his successor, Enrique the Gracious.
              It seems to be clear with a moral character? Only now they had other nicknames:
              Pedro the Fair - and Enrique the Fratricide ... laughing
              1. 0
                15 February 2017 22: 04
                Quote: Weyland
                This was not only in the East. Your beloved Lenin is certainly no better than Shah Nadir!

                Here it is not necessary to drive on "eternally alive". stop Mother didn’t burn, she didn’t gouge out eyes for arrears ... am Well, in the civil war there is an opinion that everyone was at the "level." So no, no, no ... stop The differences between West and East are that in the West you can reach the elbows in the blood of relatives, but you need to come up with at least some semblance of legitimacy. And in the East they didn’t bother about it at all. Well, there is the Sultan Osman, who left his descendants the order for the sake of the state, shahzade ( the heir) should not leave his brothers alive. Well, or remember the Golden Horde 20 years before the Battle of Kulikovo there was replaced by 22 (if I’m not mistaken) khan. The main thing is Chingizid, and what you are in line is ten. And Mamai is like Chingizid was not a simple temnik. The main thing is power! am East is a delicate matter.... request
      2. +8
        29 November 2020 22: 22
        Quote: Weyland
        Ivan Solonevich

        Is this the one who offered his cooperation to the Germans in 1941?
  2. +18
    13 February 2017 06: 59
    AUTHOR: the moment is approaching when the ultimate strength inherent in Soviet civilization will be exhausted. There is already a question about the survival of Russian civilization, the Russian superethnos. Russia must make a qualitative leap into the future, modeled on the Stalinist empire, saving territory, your Russianness - Russian language, culture and history, increasing the indigenous population in the XNUMXst century.
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    Let me remind the author that taking care of the Russians and Russianness , he forgets that it was Soviet civilization that even excluded the very name RUSSIA from the name of the country. It was Soviet civilization that cut off the primordially Russian lands of New Russia from the mother of Russia (forcibly Ukrainized millions of Russians), destroyed the Terek region of the Great Russian Cossacks, inflicting an irreparable blow on the Russian Caucasus, the same thing happened in Semirechye, Orenburg region.
    It is due to the ruthless pumping of huge material and HUMAN resources from Russian regions outskirts were settled down (by 1985 m the Non-Black Earth Region half a million empty houses) Almost all the republics were subsidized and only Russia was a donor and lived WORSE outside the suburbs.

    One of the fastest growing nations in the world in 1917, the Russian people in 1964 ceased to reproduce themselves.

    Speaking about Russian history in Soviet civilization, the author forgot that it was she who blew up the main monument of Russian military glory in Borodino, blew up the grave of the hero Borodin Bagration, whose bones were white off the road, and in the monument to the Heroes of Plevna, where there were plaques with the names of Russian soldiers, arranged a monumental restroom.

    Speaking about the strength of the owls of civilization, the author forgot that a “solid” civilization does not fall apart so quickly and without resistance.
    1. +11
      13 February 2017 07: 06
      Olgovich you are not tired of posting liberal fantasies! belay Population The population of the USSR in 1976 was 6,4% of the global population. The population of the USSR (within modern borders) changed as follows (million people): 86,3 as of January 1, 1870; 124,6 on January 1, 1897; 159,2 at the end of 1913; 194,1 on January 1, 1940; 178,5 on January 1, 1950; 208,8 on January 15, 1959; 241,7 on January 15, 1970; 257,9 on January 1, 1977. Despite the enormous losses associated with the two world wars and the Civil War, the population grew quite rapidly. By 1940, the USSR had 22% more inhabitants than Russia in 1913. During the Great Patriotic War of 1941–45, direct losses of the USSR amounted to over 20 million people .; indirect losses were also great (a decrease in the birth rate and an increase in mortality). The pre-war population was restored only by 1955. Over the next 21 years, the population increased by 61,1 million people, or 31,4%. By 1976, the population of the USSR increased by 1913% compared with 60,6. laughing
      1. +6
        13 February 2017 08: 53
        Actually, the number of Russians was discussed, not the population of the USSR
        1. +1
          13 February 2017 17: 56
          And it is not possible to establish the number of Russians in the Republic of Ingushetia, because Count nationality appeared in censuses only in 1937.
          And then you need to determine the term "Russian". And it’s so much mixed up in us that you won’t make out with a pint.
          1. 0
            14 February 2017 20: 09
            It is mixed in you. And in a traditional society, it is customary to marry / marry a representative of a kind. I know my pedigree for 6-8 tribes, all were representatives of the Russian ethnic group. All my brothers and sisters are married / married to / for Russian people. Even in today's “multicultural” (pooh muck) society, there are few mixed marriages.
      2. +8
        13 February 2017 08: 58
        But what do we have after the 75 summer rule of the Communists? The population declined from 180mln. in the Russian Empire, up to 145mln (and without Crimea -142mln) people. Area, total territory of the Russian Empire on 1914 (beginning of the First World War and the end of historical Russia) without Alaska, half of Sakhalin, Chinese Holdings: 21 799 825 km / sq.
        Total area of ​​the territory of the modern RF:
        17 098 246 km / sq. Where did the Christ-sellers land? Where did people divide, "intercessors" for the people? Where did the gold go after your reign? Do not forget that he simply did not appear during the collapse of the USSR? Who ruined a great power? Which party did they belong to, all these Gorbachevs, Shevarnadze, Yakovlevs, Gaidars and other communist gang? As they say with us, the main thing is not the method, but the result. What is the result of your reign?
        1. +7
          13 February 2017 09: 08
          Quote: captain
          But what do we have after the 75 summer rule of the Communists? The population declined from 180mln. in the Russian Empire, before 145mln

          The Poles leaned back, the Finns ...
          Quote: captain
          without Alaska

          Why are you so modest? Add also the Aleutian Islands, and California, and the Hawaiian Islands in the Republic of Ingushetia requested ... And the Greek. That would be a lope of the population! Directly according to the precepts of Mendeleev.
        2. +6
          13 February 2017 10: 35
          the captain still contact the admirator Nikolashka and his wife Hessian fly and their court camarilla who mediocrely ruled the country, then bill the interim government which marked the beginning of the collapse of Russia and chaos in the country! belay if not the Bolsheviks, Russia would disappear from the world map! laughing
          1. +5
            13 February 2017 13: 56
            I didn’t know that Nikolay !! rules before 1991, thanks for the help.
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              +3
              13 February 2017 22: 24
              Quote: captain
              I didn’t know that Nikolay !! rules before 1991, thanks for the help.

              Let me remind Alaska of the United States sold his grandfather Alexander II.
          2. +8
            29 November 2020 22: 27
            Quote: Uncle Murzik
            contact the apmirator Nikolashka and his wife the Hessian fly and their court camarilla who ruled the country mediocrely

            They got it in full, on business, and the most important thing for me is that representatives of this clan no longer rule in our country!
        3. +3
          13 February 2017 10: 37
          Population The population of the USSR in 1976 was 6,4% of the global population. The population of the USSR (within modern borders) changed as follows (million people): 86,3 as of January 1, 1870; 124,6 on January 1, 1897; 159,2 at the end of 1913; 194,1 on January 1, 1940; 178,5 on January 1, 1950; 208,8 on January 15, 1959; 241,7 on January 15, 1970; 257,9 on January 1, 1977! And where is the extinction? lol
          1. +5
            29 November 2020 22: 28
            Quote: Uncle Murzik
            and where is the extinction?

            In the heads of the monarchist crystal bakers Yes
        4. 0
          14 February 2017 11: 37
          Now let's get it right. Beginning in 1917 during the WWII, the front line ran from Riga-Dvinsk-Baranovichi-Brest-Litovsk-Lutsk-Teraspo
          l-Further along the border with Romania. Those. Poland, Most of Lithuania, Half of Latvia, Part of Belarus, Part of Ukraine was lost. Sakhalin was half lost as early as 1905.
          At the time of the collapse of the USSR, Poland and Finland did not return to the USSR. Sakhalin and the Kuril ridge were returned, Western Ukraine, Kaliningrad was joined, borders in the North were changed. It should be understood that, if desired, both Poland and Finland could be joined to the USSR, but if everything is more or less clear with Poland (for example, there were noble revolts), then there were probably some political considerations with Finland.
          Those. By the end of the USSR, the Soviet government regained everything that RI had given back to 1917. With the exception of Finland (Lenin gave) and Poland, which surrendered to us in FIG. But by the end of the Republic of Ingushetia, both Poland and Finland were largely independent states and most likely they would have received the status of domain names in the 20-30s.
          But then there was a decay as a result of the betrayal of the little princes.
          All the same was in the year 17-22. Only then the Soviet government was able to show will, and in 91 - no. Moreover, it was the landmines that were laid (moreover, from outside) then, in the years 17-22, for the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia, they exploded during the collapse of the USSR.
          1. 0
            14 February 2017 21: 50
            Quote: alstr
            Now let's get it right. At the beginning of 1917, during the WWII, the front line ran from Riga-Dvinsk-Baranovichi-Brest-Litovsk-Lutsk-Teraspo

            And where was the front line at the end of 1942, recall? In the PMV Minsk, the Germans took, EMNIP, on the 900th day of the war, and during WWII?
            This is to say that if it were not for the betrayal of the elites, not the filthy liberals from the Duma - WWI, we would probably have won as well (since the Allies won without us, then we would have won a year earlier - by the end of 1917!)

            Quote: alstr
            But then there was a decay as a result of the betrayal of the little princes. All the same was in the year 17-22. Only then the Soviet government was able to show will, and in 91 - no. Moreover, it was the landmines that were laid (moreover, from outside) then, in the years 17-22, for the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia, they exploded during the collapse of the USSR.

            And I would like to add: if not for Lenin am mine about the "right of nations to self-determination" of these "little princes" am simply would not exist in principle!
            1. +9
              29 November 2020 22: 30
              You don't know much about history and especially about 1917. It was in 1917 that the collapse of the Russian Empire began in the summer. And Lenin has nothing to do with it.
      3. +4
        13 February 2017 09: 26
        Quote: Uncle Murzik
        Olgovich you are not tired of posting liberal fantasies! Population Population of the USSR


        Dear comrade! Absolutely respecting your point of view and position, I do not understand HOW you yourself are not interested in understanding the following conflict: there is growth, but aging and depopulation of the people are on. The fifth time I am addressing the articles of the demographic journal "http://demoscope.ru/weekly/2010/0417/tema02.php
        , http://demoscope.ru/weekly/2008/0353/tema04.php-t
        .

        With all the other theses (except for the extinction of the population), you obviously agree: you can’t argue against REAL facts ...

        1. +2
          13 February 2017 10: 26
          Olgovich, and where are the facts, bullshit! I see the numbers, and these are the facts, in 1976 it amounted to 6,4% of the global total. The population of the USSR (within modern borders) changed as follows (million people): 86,3 as of January 1, 1870; 124,6 on January 1, 1897; 159,2 at the end of 1913; 194,1 on January 1, 1940; 178,5 on January 1, 1950; 208,8 on January 15, 1959; 241,7 on January 15, 1970; 257,9 on January 1, 1977.
    2. +1
      13 February 2017 11: 53
      Quote: Olgovich
      Speaking about Russian history in Soviet civilization, the author forgot that it blew up the main monument of Russian military glory in Borodino, blew up the grave of the hero Borodin Bagration, whose bones were white everywhere, and in the monument to the Heroes of Plevna, where there were boards with the names of Russian soldiers, arranged a public restroom.

      Unfortunately, the destruction of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, which was built on public donations in memory of the victory in the war of 1812, should be added to this sad list.
      And now we are lamenting over the demolition of the monuments to Lenin - as they say, sow the wind - reap the storm ....
      Fighting monuments and mocking the memory of the departed, breaking the connection of time is an unworthy and destructive thing for national identity - and no motives and loud slogans can justify this vandalism ....
      1. +6
        13 February 2017 12: 28
        Quote: ranger
        Unfortunately, the destruction of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, which was built on public donations in memory of the victory in the war of 1812, should be added to this sad list.

        Few people know, but toOpium of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior It was blown up and in Petrozavodsk. The largest temple in Eurasia was blown up in Irkutsk. In the heart of Moscow, in the Kremlin blown up 28 architectural monuments out of 54 , the construction of Kitai Gorod, Sukharev Tower, etc.

        Explosions thundered across the country, and treasures of architecture and sculpture were destroyed. millennium created the Russian people, investing in them soul, its beauty, its means

        We are talking about tens of thousands of temples, chapels, monasteries, monuments.

        And, I agree with you, there is no justification for this. And it has nothing to do with Russian culture.

        Having recaptured something, they even recovered, but the losses are huge and irreplaceable ..

        They restored the main monument on the Borodino field and the grave of Bagration, but there is nothing .....
        1. +1
          13 February 2017 17: 59
          Olgovich, I must say thank you to Lenin for the phrase "Russia-the prison of peoples" and to Stalin who introduced the history faculty at universities. I read at Karpov that in the twenties Stalin began to quietly correct Lenin: his anti-church quotes and the most bloodthirsty phrases began to be hidden
        2. +2
          13 February 2017 22: 11
          Quote: Olgovich
          Explosions thundered all over the country, the treasures of architecture and sculpture that the Russian people created for millennia, investing in them their soul, their beauty, their means, were destroyed
          We are talking about tens of thousands of temples, chapels, monasteries, monuments.


          This is a renaissance of religion today, and in the thirties the attitude towards the church was somewhat different, we still remembered its counter-revolutionary struggle against the Soviet regime. At that time, in the process of building socialism, a real improvement in people's lives, millions of working people moved away from religion - they simply did not need it.

          And still, churches were not destroyed all in a row, as you write, but only those that did not collect a sufficient number of parishioners, and which were not of artistic value. Oddly enough it sounds, but in the 18-19 and at the beginning of the 20th century, the same, typical church cathedrals were everywhere built.

          By the way, the Cathedral of Christ the Savior was also built in the 19th century not from scratch, there was a nunnery built somewhere in the 15-16th century, which was also demolished with the consent of the tsarist government and church hierarchs. They say that the abbess of the nunnery even cursed this place as a sign of disagreement? ...
          1. +4
            14 February 2017 00: 19
            Quote: Alexander Green
            and in the thirties, the attitude towards the church was somewhat different, we still remembered its counter-revolutionary struggle against the Soviet regime. At that time, in the process of building socialism, a real improvement in people's lives, millions of working people moved away from religion - they simply did not need it.

            WHAT gives you reason to make such categorical statements? T.N. "newspapers"? Or opposition parties? Or statements by leaders, the so-called "parties", which we, it is not clear why, should believe?
            These LITTLE “authority” through and through the word did not mention the worst famine in the world of the 20th century of 32-33, and even more so they lied about the church.

            The priceless treasures of the Russian people were demolished.

            As soon as the pressure on people decreased, they went to church.
            1. +1
              14 February 2017 21: 48
              Quote: Olgovich
              WHAT gives you reason to make such categorical statements? T.N. "newspapers"? Or opposition parties? Or statements by leaders, the so-called "parties", which we, it is not clear why, should believe?
              These LITTLE “authority” through and through the word did not mention the worst famine in the world of the 20th century of 32-33, and even more so they lied about the church.

              The priceless treasures of the Russian people were demolished.

              As soon as the pressure on people decreased, they went to church.


              1. My foundations are the memory of the older generation with whom I spoke, the memory of my parents, who still remembered the royal time. On their memories I was brought up. And they are the main authorities for me.

              2. No need to juggle and exaggerate. The famine of the 30s was not as widespread as the famine of the 20s. All figures are one hundred times exaggerated. If in the 20s famine occurred in those areas where fierce battles with the White Guards took place, which were just trying to strangle the young Soviet Republic by hunger, then the hunger of the 30s was caused by the anti-collective farm agitation of the enemies of the Soviet regime, which incited the peasants to slaughter cattle and less to sow, so that did not have to be handed over to the collective farm. At first everyone ate meat, like Grandfather Shchukar from Raised Virgin Soil. Remember how Sholokhov described the flickering malachai of Shchukar in corn. And then the hungry winter ...

              3. None of the priceless monuments-treasures of the Russian people did not demolish. All historical and artistic monuments of Russian architecture are preserved in Moscow, Leningrad, along the Golden Ring of Russia, and in other cities. Churches were demolished that had no value.

              4. About the church. After 1991, people understood where they had gotten into trouble, allowing them to destroy the socialist gains. What to do next - they don’t know, so they went from hopelessness to church, where they are reassured that God had endured and ordered you to.
        3. MrK
          +1
          14 February 2017 21: 09
          Quote: Olgovich
          We are talking about tens of thousands of temples, chapels, monasteries, monuments.


          Of course. In my hometown, before the revolution, there were: 2 small factories, schools - 2, hospitals - no, inn - 8 units, churches - 16 units. And that's all on 15 of thousands of inhabitants.
      2. +6
        13 February 2017 12: 34
        You, as a Christian, are not upset that the temple was built in honor of the victory in the war? War is a murder, but Christ opposed murder. Any war, fair or not, is contrary to the teachings of Christianity, so to build temples in honor of the wars is already going against Christ. Bolsheviks yes, requisitioned property, ruined boors. But on the other hand, did they drag this property into their pocket? Did you build estates and villas for yourself? Not. The money went to the construction of industry, and to the social sphere, including raising the standard of living. You don’t have to go to church and don’t believe in God, but by your deeds you’ll be much closer to him than many priests and tellers from the church who calmly accept gifts from overt criminals.
        1. +5
          13 February 2017 16: 58
          Quote: Rastas
          You, as a Christian, are not upset that the temple was built in honor of the victory in the war? War is a murder, but Christ opposed murder. Any war, fair or not, is contrary to the teachings of Christianity, so to build temples in honor of the wars is already going against Christ.


          Sorrows, excuse me, your ignorance: the Temple is collective CENOTAPH soldiers of the Russian imperial armywho died in the war with Napoleon, on the walls of the temple are inscribed the names of the officers who fell in the Patriotic War of 1812 and the Foreign Campaigns of 1797-1806 and 1814-1815.
          1. +1
            13 February 2017 17: 00
            Why write it in the temple? There are other places for such lists.
        2. +1
          14 February 2017 12: 45
          Quote: Rastas
          Christ opposed killing

          But what about his phrase "not the world, but the sword I brought"?
      3. +5
        13 February 2017 12: 42
        Then, ranger, if you care so much about cultural monuments, then blame the Christians for destroying the idols of the Gentiles, because these are also monuments, the history of our ancestors, part of their culture. It would be interesting to see the descendants. And then I remember here, but not here. Monuments destroyed everything. Catholics destroyed Orthodox churches, Russian squads of Ivan the Terrible in Livonia fought with heretic Protestants and Jews, as it was in Polotsk, while the Turks conquered Byzantium and the Balkans destroyed Christian shrines. Emigration cursed the Bolsheviks. but did not pay attention at all, as in a believing country such as Poland, the Church of Alexander Nevsky in Warsaw was destroyed in the 20s.
      4. +2
        13 February 2017 17: 47
        Unfortunately you are right: the Bolsheviks were the first to fashion the oblivion of the past.
        We are now indignant as in the Baltic, by the way, they and Jews prevailed in the Bolsheviks in% attitude, and Poland belong to our graves, and the Bolsheviks gave fashion to this. I would like to look at their "courage" under Alexander 3, no one would have thought the blasphemy of watts over the graves of Russian soldiers
        1. +4
          13 February 2017 18: 39
          what is oblivion of the past? Under the sworn Bolsheviks, the people finally began to learn the history of their country and culture. In tsarist Russia blessed by you, a simple peasant did not even know who Pushkin or Kutuzov were. According to Pushkin's memoirs, the history of Karamzin was an event for high society, for whom the history of the country was opened, to say nothing of a simple person. In Soviet times, many remarkable historians worked: Zimin, Tikhomirov, Greeks, Rybakov, Skrynnikov, Skazkin, Yanin, Mashkin and others. Hundreds and hundreds of works have been written on the history of Russia and abroad, starting with the ancient world. They were written at a fairly high scientific level. Russian and foreign literature, culture, theater, opportunities for cultural development opened up for the Russian people, and you say oblivion. If this is oblivion, then tsarist time is generally the Neolithic era.
          1. +1
            14 February 2017 12: 47
            But apart from Karamzin, there were no historians, right? They did not print?
            1. +1
              16 February 2017 08: 40
              There were, but they were not exactly known to the peasant. The bill "On the introduction of universal primary education in the Russian Empire", introduced on February 20 by Minister of Education P. von Kaufman to the State Duma on 1907, was never adopted.
  3. +12
    13 February 2017 07: 18
    In February 1917 * Russian patriots * under the leadership of the Entente arrested the tsar and seized power. The main goal of all this was to divide the RUSSIAN EMPIRE into small specific entities with external control. The fact that in OCTOBER 1917 the Bolsheviks, headed by V AND LENIN, dared the temporary and began to build the STATE still cannot * forgive * and * the former * and * rrevolutionaries * of all stripes. The symbiosis of * haters * SOVDEPOV was very strange, who just did not fight the resurgent RUSSIA, from outright bandits and * former *, to ideological nationalists and interventionists. To this day, outright lies about Bolsheviks and about B and Lenin are in use. And all * wrestlers * are a priori recognized as - * * saviors * of RUSSIA. The tradition of whitewashing both the king and those who overthrew him and those who fought under the leadership of the interventionists continues. Today there are attempts to whitewash those who served the Nazis and fought against the SOVIET UNION together with the Germans.
    An analysis of the events of the February Revolution is possible only with an honest study of the causes and motives. It is impossible to build a * model * of events based on: * he wanted *, * assumed * or * he thought *. An even more unacceptable unconditional faith in later memoirs, where obvious events are being misinterpreted.
  4. +2
    13 February 2017 07: 33
    “Look around ... around ... you will see a world that is imperfect! The country that got lost! Blood, vice and greed - disconnect us. We have reached the limit beyond which - the abyss and eternal darkness. But ... there is a way! ”
    ... Prophetic words ...
    Py.Sy..a what about the site interface? Do I have one or all? Where did the avatars go ... and everything else ..
  5. +10
    13 February 2017 07: 35
    Stalin is all bad, Nikolai is good ...

    The turmoil in Russia occurred due to the desire of 7-e great families, tired of the oprichnina Ivan the Terrible, to steer completely. The overfill that began and an attempt to pull the blanket over itself resulted in anarchy and turmoil.
    in 1917, about the same option. The top of the two estates, dissatisfied with the reign of Nicholas, but with their own and different understanding of how this discontent should be resolved and what to lead to, arranged the February Revolution. But it’s better to consider it a coup. After all, the palaces of the houses of culture did not disappear, the owners changed in the palaces. October yes, that was already a revolution.
    1. +1
      13 February 2017 21: 46
      Quote: ImPerts
      Stalin is all bad, Nikolai is good ...

      Sorry, but you are not embarrassed that the list contains rebels on armadillos? Are these defenseless people?
      Japan began the war with Japan, and the losses were, to put it mildly, much less.
      They have already argued on Bloody Sunday more than once and no one was able to answer two questions - first, what did the security have to do when a crowd of thousands began to break into the palace (riot police, trained to contain the crowd, did not exist then), -second, why did Gapon and company gather workers, although they knew for sure that there would be no meeting with the king?
      Quote: ImPerts
      The top of the two estates, dissatisfied with the reign of Nicholas, but with their own and different understanding of how this discontent should be resolved and what to lead to, arranged the February Revolution

      Yes, and then regretted it very much.
      1. 0
        16 February 2017 14: 08
        Quote: Dart2027
        Japan began the war with Japan, and the losses were, to put it mildly, much less.

        1. The background of the RPE is only classified for you, apparently.
        Yes, Japan attacked.
        But the Russian expansion into the Japanese zone of influence, the forcible taking away from Japan the results of its victory in the war with China, Russia's constant violation of its promises to withdraw troops from Manchuria, open disrespect for Japanese interests - does not count at all?

        Moreover, the king was warned many times: unreasonable tsarist policies could lead to
        to the war with the Japanese. His Imperial Insignificance escaped with phrases in the spirit of “they dare not” and “they will regret”, in both cases being a self-confident blockhead.

        2. The preventive attack of I. Grozny on the neighbors and the Russian army in the 18th century against the Krymchaks and Turks, openly aggressive campaigns of Russia, you unconditionally and with admiration approve of - why can't the Japanese do this?

        3. Your problems with arithmetic and the Russian language always cause me sincere sympathy.
        I also sympathize with your ignorance in military history and terminology.
        Now, when you confuse general losses with their individual categories, by illiteracy or by conscious lie, is this normal?

        When you, the bakers, write down the total losses of Japan to the losses of those killed, and for this purpose you delete from the Wikipedia articles the layout of Japanese losses by categories, and from the Russian losses you erase everything except those officially recognized as killed in the battle - do you think this is not a lie?

        4. In reality, there were even more than 400 thousand TOTAL losses in Russia in the REV, because the total sanitary losses for the battles amounted to about half a million, prisoners - 80 thousand, demographic irretrievable - about 100 thousand, even according to official tsarist statistics.

        5. I have already given you examples of battles in which Russian losses, incl. irrevocable, were at times more than Japanese.
        You squinted and pretended not to see anything.
        And this is your only way to argue with the real facts of history. laughing
        1. 0
          16 February 2017 16: 26
          Quote: murriou
          I. Grozny’s preventive attack on neighbors and the Russian army in the 18th century against Krymchaks and Turks, openly aggressive campaigns of Russia, you unconditionally and admirably approve of - and why can’t the Japanese be so?

          Which does not change the fact of the attack. For their part, they had their own truth. We have our own.
          Quote: murriou
          and from the Russian losses you erase everything except those officially recognized as killed in battle - do you think this is not a lie?

          Quote: murriou
          In reality, there were even more GENERAL losses in Russia in the REV

          That is, in order to get away from the uncomfortable fact that Japan’s resources were exhausted, do you want to cram into the losses of everyone and everything? Well, let's get a detailed layout for Japan - how many have they caught a cold? Is this also a loss?
          Quote: murriou
          I have already given you examples of battles

          Where the Japanese had a numerical superiority. I remember.
          1. +1
            16 February 2017 16: 56
            Quote: Dart2027
            the Japanese had a numerical superiority. I remember.

            You LIE, as always. I have given you numbers many times, but "remember" you are only what you hope to cheat on.

            The numerical superiority of the Japanese was in a very small number of battles, and the Russian losses were much more than the Japanese - in almost ALL significant, except for Liaoyansky, and there is not such a big difference. Although there the Japanese stormed a well-trained defense in three echelons, in mountainous areas, for defense is almost ideal.

            Under Mukden, the initial number of Japanese was even slightly smaller than that of the tsarist army, while the Japanese attacked, won, sent the tsarist army into a stampede, and the Japanese irretrievable losses turned out to be twice as LESS than that of the Russians, and this is a typical picture for the REV.

            Now - about the battles, where the Japanese still had a numerical advantage. The largest - three times, in the first major battle of the REV on Yalu.

            There, the tsarist command showed complete incompetence - having not completed the necessary measures for preparation for the defense for more than a month, they missed the accumulation of strength by the Japanese and were helpless in front of the attackers, like sleeping babies.

            As a result, the Russian forces were beaten on a fine (in case of their adequate actions) defensive line, the casualties, even according to official Russian data, amounted to 593 people, 478 more were “missing”, that is unaccounted for during the stampede of those killed, total irretrievable Russian losses 1071 against 223 Japanese, almost FIVE. In addition, all 8 machine guns and the bulk of the unbroken artillery were captured by the Japanese.

            For comparison, under the Sandep, the Russians had an initial one and a half numerical advantage, locally on the offensive site up to 3 times, plus the surprise of the attack - and at the same time, the Russian irretrievable losses were more than double (!) MORE than the Japanese, because the Japanese acted steadily and competently !

            Under Wafangou, the initial forces were close, and the Russians even officially recognized losses turned out to be THREE more than the Japanese in terms of the killed and total losses, and for the irretrievable ones - almost ALONE!

            Under Shahe, there were 170 thousand Japanese against 210 thousand Russian — a quarter more Russians, but again this didn’t help the tsar’s commanders: the Japanese had 3951 killed and up to 20 thousand total losses, on the Russian side - more than 40 thousand total losses, including more than 5 thousand officially recognized (!) killed, at least 700 prisoners, almost 5 thousand "missing", total irretrievable losses of more than 10,5 thousand - almost three times more than the Japanese.

            And so the whole REV: where there is a counter battle and an alternate offensive, Russian losses are MANDALLY more than Japanese according to Russian (!) Official (!) Data, it does not matter, the initial number of Japanese is more or less than that of the tsarist mediocre army.

            Where the Japanese attacked (!) The Russian prepared (!) Positions, the losses are closer, but still the Russians - except under Liaoyang, which has already been mentioned, are much larger.

            Well, yours *maiden memory* recovered? laughing
            1. 0
              16 February 2017 17: 33
              Quote: murriou
              in the first major battle of the REV on Yalu

              You forgot about the fact that the Japanese simply bypassed the Russian position. Continue to consider them undeveloped?
              Quote: murriou
              Under Wafangou, the initial forces were close

              Only a quarter more numerically and more than two times more in artillery. The Japanese.
              In other cases, Kuropatkin did not dare to bring the entire army into battle, providing the enemy with an edge.
              You have forgotten that Japan has exhausted its military potential.
              1. 0
                16 February 2017 17: 49
                Quote: Dart2027
                You forgot about the fact that the Japanese simply bypassed the Russian position.

                I have not forgotten anything. Not only bypassed. And they covered artillery from closed positions, and stormed it in the forehead, and cut off the retreating path to the retreating. A lot of things were there.

                But the main FACTS in this battle will not go anywhere:
                1. INCOMPETENCE of the imperial command.
                2. As a result, many times more Russian losses than Japanese.

                And so in all of the above cases.

                Quote: Dart2027
                a quarter more numerically and more than two times more in artillery.

                Under Sandep, the tsarist army had more than 1,5 times more people and guns: 320 thousand people and 1078 guns against 200 thousand people and 666 guns.
                And still it didn’t help.

                Quote: Dart2027
                Kuropatkin did not dare to bring the entire army into battle, providing the enemy with an edge.

                Who is to blame?
                Why did the rest of the tsarist generals and other superiors allow Kuropatkin to command from loss to loss throughout the war?

                And where do Russian losses go from this, many times greater than that of the Japanese?

                Do you even now, pinned by numbers and facts to the wall, acknowledge the fact of these losses, which you tried so hard to deny?


                Quote: Dart2027
                You have forgotten that Japan has exhausted its military potential.

                I have not forgotten anything.

                Including the seizure in July by the "exhausted" Japanese Sakhalin, which you love to "forget".

                And I did not forget that all the time from Mukden to Portsmouth, for half a year, the tsarist army cowardly sat in fortified positions without the slightest activity.

                Who is there that has exhausted, recall? laughing
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                  17 February 2017 08: 57
                  Quote: murriou
                  INCOMPETENCE of the imperial command.
                  Trying to block a 100 km front with 18 thousand is really a bad decision.
                  Quote: murriou
                  Why did the rest of the tsarist generals and other superiors allow Kuropatkin to command from loss to loss throughout the war?
                  And when it was removed, riots began.
                  Quote: murriou
                  Including the seizure in July by the "exhausted" Japanese Sakhalin, which you love to "forget".
                  About which you have already been told that no one defended him.
                  Quote: murriou
                  for half a year, the tsarist army cowardly sat in fortified positions without the slightest activity.
                  Taking replenishment, ammunition, etc. And what was the Japanese army doing at this time, except for the capture of Sakhalin, which did not pull at all into large-scale databases? Cowardly waiting for what is unknown?
                  1. 0
                    17 February 2017 10: 33
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    INCOMPETENCE of the imperial command. Trying to block a 100 km front with 18 thousand is really a bad decision.

                    Oh, it happened! For once, you have learned to recognize the obvious blunders of the imperial command! laughing

                    1. But not all and not the main ones.

                    2. Nask. I remember that there were 2 incomplete infantry divisions in the Zasulich detachment, a Cossack brigade plus an artillery brigade, a total of 19 battalions, 16 horse hundreds, 62 guns and 8 machine guns, of which then all machine guns went to the enemy, 22 guns were also lost - left to the enemy intact, or broken by artillery fire.

                    By the way, we note that 8 machine guns of the Eastern detachment were at that time ALL machine guns of the Russian field army in Manchuria. And ALL of them were surrendered to the Japanese in the first battle.

                    The Russian infantry battalion at that time was already 1 thousand people, the Cossack hundred — it was even more than a hundred, 125 Cossacks, 2 thousand sabers for 16 hundred, with each gun there were 6 people, and there were also officers and auxiliary personnel —total more than 22 thousand in the state, really (with the deduction of patients and vacationers) it’s still not 18 thousand at all, as written off from your “corrected” baker (here you are small crooks) wikipedia. lol

                    Actually, at the time of the battle, the Russian forces amounted to 18 bayonets, 175 sabers - a total of 2320 thousand! - plus calculations of guns and machine guns, this is still under five hundred, plus a considerable number of support personnel, which are taken into account, of course, ONLY from the Japanese side. lol

                    The number of Japanese at the same time, the bakers take the full staff, without deductions, not according to the real number, and even with "rounding" to the greater side.

                    But these are just insignificant little things. Just to remind you that it’s not necessary to cheat even the little things, with all your love for this occupation.
                    It’s not a ride here.

                    3. I have already told you how many times that the Russian command did NOT comply with ALL the necessary measures to prepare the position and maintain its combat readiness? lol

                    4. Knowing your * girl's memory *, remind again.

                    The Wikipedia’s crystal bakery did not write about this, essno, but the picking of the advance detachment began with the outbreak of war, by the beginning of March it was finally assembled (the tsar’s army had such high alertness before the obviously brewing war).

                    5. For more than a month, as it were, training was NOT carried out strengthening and masking of positions. Instead of full-profile trenches, there were decorative parapets that were unable to hold a rifle bullet even from long distances.

                    6. Art. guns were exposed openly on a slope facing the enemy.

                    7. The tasks of reconnaissance and combat protection were also completely not fulfilled.

                    8. During the battle, the tsarist commanders also showed utter incompetence, indecision, lack of assembly - which led to the complete defeat of the Russian forces in an excellent defensive position.

                    9. Losses I have already brought you many times, but here too * girl's memory * need to be treated just in case. And then you have never admitted that you noticed these numbers laughing
                    = * =
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                    17 February 2017 10: 52
                    = * =
                    10. The official Russian results of the battle on Yalu:
                    The retired officers, in addition to 11 prisoners - 73 more (not indicated, only killed or wounded, too)
                    593 officially recognized dead in battle.
                    "missing", i.e. unaccounted for the dead - 478.
                    The wounded 1101.
                    11 officers and 300 lower ranks of prisoners not included in Wikipedia by the bakers.
                    Total total losses of more than 2,4 thousand, including irrevocable 1382, sanitary 1,1 thousand

                    One more remark. Normal for the battle during this period is the ratio of the wounded and killed 4: 1.

                    That is, even for 593 officially recognized dead, there should be about 2,4 thousand wounded, taking into account the "missing" wounded, more than 4 thousand are expected - and four times less in official data. Why?

                    The answer is simple: in a panic, the wounded fled along with the healthy, whoever could, and no one really took them into account. Not before. After the battle, only the most difficult ones were taken into account.

                    Now for comparison, Japanese losses - according to Russian data published in Russian pre-revolutionary publications:
                    213 killed, 10 missing, 906 wounded, 0,000 prisoners.
                    Note that 906 / (213 + 10) = 4,06. All is fair.

                    Even officially recognized Russian killed three times more than the Japanese.
                    The ratio of irretrievable losses (593 + 478 + 311) / (213 + 10) = 6,197.

                    Russian irretrievable losses under Yalu are more than Japanese ALTERNATIVES.
                    All combat missions of the tsarist army in this battle are completely failed.
                    ALL 8 machine guns of the Russian field army and even more guns were delivered to the enemy.

                    This is the first major battle of the tsarist army in the REV.
                    Brilliant success, as always.
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                    17 February 2017 11: 07
                    = * =
                    11. And now we compare the results of the first battle of the tsarist army in the REV, in Yala (under Tyurenchen) with the first battle of the tsarist army in the WWII, near Stallupenen.

                    Initial forces: Germans 1 division, 16 thousand, 84 thousand Russians - more than 5-fold superiority.
                    The course of the battle: the Germans managed to inflict sensitive losses on the enemy before the retreat, retreated in combat order, the persecution by the tsarist army was not organized.

                    Russian losses of 619 dead, 2 382 wounded, 4 466 captured, total 7467, including irrevocable 5085.
                    German losses: 84 prisoners, 1213 killed and wounded, total losses 1297.

                    Compare with the battle to Yala.
                    Which I once again suggest that you perform this simple comparison, and each time "and in response - silence" (C) lol
                  4. 0
                    17 February 2017 11: 42
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    when it was removed riots broke out.

                    For the umpteenth time I’m asking: HOW could the unrest in central Russia affect the events of a theater removed thousands of kilometers away?

                    And each time you cannot justify your enchanting fantasies with anything.
                    I sympathize with you, as always! crying

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    About which you have already been told that no one defended him.

                    Yes, the grapes were green, who don’t know laughing
                    It has already been said that you never know what a lie, and that too, but he already understands the price. For the umpteenth time you babble me this nonsense, and each time I am forced to repeat overwhelming crisp * intellect * the basics:

                    1. The absence of a properly organized defense of Sakhalin is the fault of the tsarist regime, and not an excuse for it.

                    2. In reality, there were even feverish and stupid attempts to organize this defense. Contrary to your next lie about "no one defended."

                    A personnel battalion was transferred there, another militia was formed in Vladivostok, and convicts, deportees and officials, 4 coastal guns and 6 field guns were put into the militia, all outdated and partially combat-ready, even 12 machine guns were allocated.

                    True, the convicts entered the militia not from patriotism, as Pikul wrote to us, but to shorten the time or even a possible amnesty, so they really did not want to fight at all.

                    In total, more than 7 thousand, as it were, fighters scraped through the guts.
                    That's just the fighting efficiency of this kind of army as a whole was, like pea jesters, and 5 thousand of it, under the command of General Lyapunov, surrendered immediately.

                    3. No matter how clownish the garrison of Sakhalin was, the Japanese assigned a fully-fledged division to capture it, including 12 battalions, 18 guns and machine guns, a cover squadron and transport ships, up to 40 ships.

                    This is contrary to your other lies - about the complete depletion of the resources of Japan, and the dreams of the Japanese only about peace at all costs laughing

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Taking replenishment, ammunition, etc.

                    ... and even engaging in reconnaissance and raiding activity sometimes, as well as strengthening the existing position and building new fortified positions one after another in case of a possible continuation of the retreat laughing

                    A worthy occupation for half a year for the whole army, which has more than one and a half numerical superiority over the "exhausted" and "dreaming of peace at all costs" enemy? lol

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    what was the Japanese army doing at this time, apart from the capture of Sakhalin

                    She was able to capture Sakhalin, while the tsarist army could not do anything at all, justifying the army.
                    And this is ALREADY enough to ridicule your lies.

                    Well, in addition, the Japanese army mastered Manchuria, it mastered Port Arthur, repaired and built fortifications, trained replenishment, etc. , and generally felt at home in the occupied territory - while the tsarist army was only thinking about preparing for defense and retreat, having a huge numerical superiority over the Japanese, but even more inferior to the Japanese in military spirit and combat readiness.
                    1. 0
                      17 February 2017 21: 15
                      Quote: murriou
                      For once, you have learned to recognize the obvious blunders of the imperial command!
                      The fact that there were mistakes, I never denied.
                      Quote: murriou
                      Actually, at the time of the battle, the Russian forces amounted to 18 bayonets, 175 sabers - a total of 2320 thousand! - plus calculations of guns and machine guns, this is still under five hundred, plus a considerable number of support personnel, which are taken into account, of course, ONLY from the Japanese side. lol
                      Will the source be? The number of soldiers participating there on both sides. Not your speculation, but the source.
                      Quote: murriou
                      3. I have already told you how many times that the Russian command did NOT comply with ALL the necessary measures to prepare the position and maintain its combat readiness?
                      The fact that it was very difficult not to take into account where exactly the enemy would attack would be? As well as the fact that Zasulich was not ordered to stand up to victory, in fact it was reconnaissance in battle. If we talk about mistakes, it was necessary from the very beginning either not to get involved in the battle or to pull all the available forces there.
                      Quote: murriou
                      "missing", i.e. unaccounted for those killed - 478
                      I remember that I quoted to Krivosheev more than once that the PB are not dead and that out of all the PBs, only a thousand should be considered killed and the rest are prisoners. Is the value of your fabulous calculations understandable?
                      Quote: murriou
                      For the umpteenth time I’m asking: HOW could the unrest in central Russia affect the events of a theater removed thousands of kilometers away?
                      It is interesting how many times to remind you of the unrest on the railway, which was suppressed only in 1906?
                      Quote: murriou
                      1. The absence of a properly organized defense of Sakhalin is the fault of the tsarist regime, and not an excuse for it.
                      2. In reality, there were even feverish and stupid attempts to organize this defense. Contrary to your next lie about "no one defended."
                      First, say that he was defended, then you yourself explain that the defense was purely formal. In fact, they would like to organize a defense, they would not transfer a battalion, but troops more seriously.
                      Quote: murriou
                      No matter how clownish the garrison of Sakhalin may be, the Japanese have allocated a fully-fledged division to capture it
                      One division is not an army, there were enough forces for such an operation.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      She was able to capture Sakhalin, while the tsarist army could not do anything at all, justifying the army.
                      Well, in addition, the Japanese army mastered Manchuria, it mastered Port Arthur, repaired and built fortifications, trained replenishment
                      A worthy occupation for half a year for the whole army, which has huge superiority in military spirit and combat readiness. If the Japanese army could continue the war, it would attack the Russian army, and not set aside a division to capture a crowd of convicts.
                      1. 0
                        18 February 2017 22: 32
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The fact that there were mistakes, I never denied.

                        Yes, yes, you deny only the vast majority of mistakes, and the most obvious and shameful of them laughing

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The number of soldiers participating there on both sides. Not your speculation, but the source.

                        laughing laughing laughing "my speculation"?

                        Your nonsense - not speculation, therefore laughing

                        Yes, you, an illiterate creature, cannot even master Wikipedia, but you climb to teach me there too.

                        You do not know the number of infantry battalion, as well as the number of Cossack hundreds and other combat units of the Russian army, which you so glorify?
                        Your problems.

                        You are not able to find out a quote from Wikipedia, which you yourself refer to? Your problems.

                        Are you unable to calculate the task for verbal elementary school counting? Your problems.

                        Incidentally, the same wikipedia article by the baker editors, like you crooks, has been tweaked many times and continues to tweak.

                        The figure of 18 thousand appeared there recently, and without attracting any new sources, instead of the figure of 20 thousand and the more real figure given earlier, which was previously in the same place.

                        And if you don’t have enough reasonableness or hard work to notice literature links in the wikipedia article and check them, as well as check the history of edits, these are again your problems, not mine.
                        It is not my duty to correct your, your parents and your teachers' omissions from elementary school to the present day.
                      2. 0
                        18 February 2017 22: 52
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                        Quote: Dart2027
                        to predict where exactly the enemy will attack was very difficult to ignore?

                        Are you so foolish, or really completely * devoid of intelligence *?

                        Conducting reconnaissance, strengthening positions, putting up military guard is what the military commander MUST do regardless of information about the enemy’s plans.

                        And just this is all the tsarist generals in many battles, including under Yalu, it was NOT done, which led them more than once to a complete and shameful defeat with enormous losses.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        They didn’t order Zasulich to stand up to victory - in fact, it was reconnaissance in battle

                        And he made huge losses, many times more than for the HITCHING (!) Japanese, because he was not ordered to do small losses?

                        Are you really trying to convince me that for a tsarist general it is NORMAL to be a half-witted down, unable to figure anything out with your own head, without a direct order from above?

                        Well, I’m even ready to admit it on the material of RPE and PMV laughing but what are the conclusions about the combat effectiveness and effectiveness of the tsarist army?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        If we talk about mistakes, it was necessary from the very beginning either not to get involved in the battle or to pull all the available forces there.

                        In fact, it was necessary for the tsarist generals in Korea to throw the Japanese into the sea, while the balance of power allowed this to be done.

                        But let's say you're right and the only mistake lol in the Tyurenchensky battle was that which you here recognized.

                        Well, WHOSE was that a mistake? Tsarist command.

                        Who answered for her? Yes, no one except a huge number of useless and inglorious dead Russian soldiers and officers.

                        Whose fault was this mistake, who will you try to blame it on, as usual? On the Bolsheviks, Martians, ichthyosaurs? laughing laughing laughing

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Of all the PBs for the war, only a thousand should be considered dead, and the rest are prisoners.

                        Your lies are crumbling about the fact that
                        1. Russian prisoners were counted separately.

                        2. "Missing" was too much.

                        3. In many battles, the tsarist army left the battlefield in disarray and panic, unable to bury the dead and find out their exact number.
                        And only those whose death in battle was officially recorded, i.e. about half of those actually killed.

                        4. The theater of military operations was cut off from the metropolis, all communications were tightly controlled, so these tens of thousands of "missing" could not leave the theater of war, they could not continue to live there after the battle either.
                        Where did they go?

                        5. Missing persons are also among the irrevocable military losses, so even if you do not expose the lies of the tsarist official statistics, ALL the figures I give regarding the ratio of irretrievable losses remain TRUE.
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                      3. 0
                        18 February 2017 23: 00
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        it was very difficult to predict exactly where the enemy would attack

                        Add.

                        Why did the Japanese and Germans in the war with the tsarist army not have such terrible difficulties? Did they CONSTANTLY have the tsar’s army? lol

                        Maybe because the Germans and the Japanese, in contrast to the tsarist army, were ABLE to fight?

                        I have poked your * face * many times into the ratio of losses of the first major battle of the tsarist army in the WWII.

                        No, not Gubminnen, who is immensely loved by the bakers, but the battle of Stallupennen.

                        There, the Russian army also had a multiple advantage at the beginning, also launched an offensive unexpectedly, but suffered losses more than FIVE from the German.

                        Compare with the battle of Tyurencheny, I wrote to you many times already - and each time you do not "notice" the shame of the tsar’s aria in both of these battles, although it had opposite roles in them.
                        lol laughing
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                      4. 0
                        18 February 2017 23: 13
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                        Quote: Dart2027
                        It is interesting how many times to remind you of the unrest on the railway, which was suppressed only in 1906?

                        I sympathize with your * girl's memory *, as always! crying

                        Because every time you tried to "remind me" of events that were already known to me, already = I = reminded you of the calendar and the fact that these riots began after a fair amount of time AFTER the conclusion of the Portsmouth world, a little less than a year after Mukden . Specifically, the proclamation of the Chita Republic is November 1904, and the unrest that you erected in your fetish since 1906. essentially just begun.

                        And to deal with them was easy, simple and fast, as soon as it was recognized as a significant matter.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        First, say that he was defended, then you yourself explain that the defense was purely formal.

                        I sympathize with your inability to understand Russian,
                        and still sympathize with the early adolescent state of your * intellect *, which is absolutely unable to distinguish between extremes. crying

                        Yes, they tried to organize the defense, which means they considered it necessary and important.

                        Yes, they CANNOT organize it HOW TO DO because of the deep impotence of the tsarist government.

                        What is not clear to you here?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        would like to organize a defense would not be deployed battalion, but the troops more serious.

                        So after all, all forces were sent more seriously to Sypingai positions, where the valiant tsarist army trembled, waiting for an attack of 300 thousand "exhausted by the war" and "who only wanted peace at all costs" lol Japanese on half a million "victorious" royal warriors laughing laughing laughing

                        But you can tell me another tale about the fact that if the tsarist empire wanted to win the REV, it would have taken yes won, and if it had not won, it means the grapes were green lol
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                      5. 0
                        18 February 2017 23: 28
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        One division is not an army, there were enough forces for such an operation.

                        The Japanese had enough.
                        The tsarist army did NOT have enough. Nothing at least comparable.

                        And from this place all your fantasies are clear of what.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        If the Japanese army could continue the war, it would attack the Russian army

                        Attack one and a half times superior enemy forces in their carefully prepared positions? laughing

                        And from what hangover would the Japanese do this? For the sake of persuasion stubborn illiterate bakers 100+ years later? laughing

                        The Japanese have already achieved all their strategic goals after Mukden.

                        The tsarist army was expelled from the main part of Manchuria and no longer tried to counteract Japanese actions at all.

                        Korea, which was the height of Japanese dreams before the war, was already completely under Japanese control since the start of the war.

                        The Japanese took Sakhalin after they destroyed theoretically in Tsushima lol possible threat from the tsarist fleet and convinced of the safety of such an operation.

                        Well, why should they still do something when they already FULLY won on land and at sea?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        set aside a division to capture a mob of convicts.

                        For the umpteenth time you “don’t” notice to sensible people the understandable explanation that it was about Russian territory, which His Imperial Insignificance promised not to give an inch, besides having rich resources and strategic significance?

                        And not about the convicts.

                        And also - that Japan, according to your tales, “unable to fight”, “exhausted” and “only wanting peace at all costs”, COULD do this, and the tsarist army could only lose ALL the battles of this war from beginning to end.
                        Including those where it was in the numerical majority, and at the same time in defense.

                        What even deeper impotence can be considered than the impotence of the tsarist army and navy in the REV, I don’t know.
    2. 0
      14 February 2017 19: 03
      Quote: ImPerts
      Stalin is all bad

      in modern Russia, the problem of a lack of objective information about the times of the “father of peoples” reign is still far from over: “Our society still does not have an adequate idea of ​​Stalin’s crimes. How many, for example, know such a fact: at least 670 thousand people were shot under Stalin just like that - even without a purely formal court decision, by correspondence orders of extrajudicial bodies? ”
      I am convinced that the enviable level of support for Stalin is a very complex and internally heterogeneous phenomenon, partially caused by absolutely objective reasons. It is imperative to get to the bottom of this phenomenon - without hysteria and hasty labeling. And the starting point of these "excavations" should, in my opinion, be an attempt to answer the following question: is Stalin’s high popularity behind the real desire of the Russian population to return the Stalinist era to our lives?

      Some fanatics among the fans of the Generalissimo certainly have such a desire. But if we talk about the bulk of those who declare in modern Russia their positive attitude towards Joseph Stalin, then this question can only be answered in the negative. “Only a person who is ready at any moment to turn into camp dust can be considered a sincere Stalinist - to turn for no reason, for no reason. Everything else is cheap and unscrupulous demagogy, " - Russian political scientist Oleg Solodukhin told me.
      1. +2
        14 February 2017 22: 22
        Quote: RUSS
        “Our society still does not have an adequate idea of ​​Stalin’s crimes. How many, for example, know such a fact: at least 670 thousand people were shot under Stalin just like that - even without a purely formal court decision, by correspondence orders of extrajudicial bodies? ”


        Well, where did you unearth such a fact? If Solzhenitsyn has it, then he does not have a single real fact, the whole book “The Gulag Archipelago” said a complete fiction based on stories like “babv-babe”, and he exaggerated the figures of the repressed by two orders of magnitude.
        There is only one fact - http://www.economics.kiev.ua/index.php?id=495&
        ; view = articles
        Help prepared by Khrushchev in the 50s.
        1 February 1954 city
        To the Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Comrade Khrushchev N.S.
        In connection with the signals received by a number of persons from the CPSU Central Committee about the illegal conviction for counter-revolutionary crimes in previous years by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika, the Special Conference, the Military Collegium, the courts and military tribunals, and in accordance with your instructions on the need to review cases against convicted persons for counterrevolutionary crimes and currently held in camps and prisons, we report: during the period from 1921 to the present, 3.777.380 people have been convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes, including 642.980 people for VMN NIJ in camps and prisons for a period of 25 years and below - 2.369.220, in exile and expulsion - 765.180 people.
        Of the total number of convicts, tentatively, the following were convicted: 2.900.000 people - by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika and the Special Conference and 877.000 people - by the courts, military tribunals, the Special Collegium and the Military Collegium.
        ... It should be noted that created by the Decree of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of November 5, 1934, the Special Meeting at the NKVD of the USSR, which lasted until September 1, 1953, sentenced 442.531 people, including 10.101 people to VMN, to deprivation freedom - 360.921 people, to exile and expulsion (within the country) - 57.539 people and other penalties (offsetting the time spent in custody, expulsion abroad, compulsory treatment) - 3.970 people ...
        Attorney General R. Rudenko
        Minister of the Interior S. Kruglov
        Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin

        As you see, nobody was shot without trial or investigation. Among those shot are punishers from the Vlasov army and other nationalist groups (and there were many) who carried out the genocide of the Soviet people.
        Then anti-Soviet Alexander Yakovlev clarifying these figures, but they did not change much.
        1. 0
          16 February 2017 16: 22
          Well, you are so naively trying to talk with opponents, as with intelligent adults lol

          Anti-advisers act simply: they declare the Soviet regime completely illegal, therefore the Soviet court is also illegal and not a court at all, Ch.T.D. laughing laughing laughing

          But the Tsar’s jury with all its bells and whistles, which the Khrustoboynikov claims to be the only legal court in the world, really did not exist in the USSR.

          The existence of Stolypin's “quick-fire justice”, in which the participation of professional lawyers was undesirable (!), And extrajudicial killings of workers and peasants in tsarist Russia, are strictly classified for crystal bakers.
      2. +1
        16 February 2017 08: 23
        Quote: RUSS
        Only a person who is ready at any moment to turn into camp dust - to turn for no reason, for no reason, can be considered a true Stalinist. Everything else is cheap and unscrupulous demagogy

        Rhetoric from Solodukhin. It can also be said that one who sincerely believes in a monarchical tale about dairy rivers with jelly banks should be ready to starve to death.
        Leo Tolstoy after a trip to more than ten villages: - “In all these villages, although there is no mixture of bread, as it was in the 1891 year, they don’t give bread, although clean, at a glance. Welding - millet, cabbage, potatoes, even the majority have none. Food consists of grass cabbage, whitened if there is a cow, and unbleached if there is none, and only bread. "
        Mikhail Osipovich Menshikov (1909, All-Russian National Union): - "Every year the Russian army becomes more and more ill and physically incapable ... Of the three guys it’s hard to choose one that is quite suitable for service ... Poor food in the village, wandering life on earnings, early marriages that require hard work at an almost youthful age - these are the causes of physical exhaustion ... It’s scary to say what hardships a rookie sometimes suffers before serving. About 40 percent of new recruits ate meat for the first time upon receipt of military service service. luzhbe soldier eats but good bread excellent meat soup and porridge, that is what many do not have the concept of the village ... "
        General V. Gurko -40% of peasant guys for the first time in their life try meat in the army.
        Menshikov M.O. National congress. 23 January 1914 g .- "Let's stop, gentlemen, to deceive ourselves and play tricks with reality! Really such purely zoological circumstances as the lack of food, clothing, fuel and basic culture of the Russian common people mean nothing? But they are reflected very expressively on human weight loss such as in Great Russia, Belarus and Little Russia.This is the zoological unit - the Russian people in many places are covered by grinding and degeneration, which made in our memory twice lower the rate when accepting recruits from A hundred and a few years ago, the tallest army in Europe (Suvorov “miraculous heroes”), the present Russian army is already the shortest, and a terrifying percentage of recruits have to be rejected for service. Does this “zoological” fact mean nothing? "doesn’t mean our shameful, nowhere in the world not seen infant mortality, in which the vast majority of the living masses do not live to a third of the human age?"
      3. 0
        16 February 2017 13: 50
        Quote: RUSS
        Our society still does not have an adequate idea of ​​Stalin's crimes.

        Yes, the liberal lies from Khrushchev to perestroika times greatly shifted our attitude towards Stalin from an adequate one.

        But, fortunately, not all people are so * alternatively reasonable *, and the return to a worthy assessment of Stalin continues quite noticeably. In nonsense, like the Solzhenitsyn and others quoted by you, few people already believe, many are quite familiar with reality.
  6. +2
    13 February 2017 08: 06
    Quote: Olgovich
    AUTHOR: the moment is approaching when the ultimate strength inherent in Soviet civilization will be exhausted. There is already a question about the survival of Russian civilization, the Russian superethnos. Russia must make a qualitative leap into the future, modeled on the Stalinist empire, saving territory, your Russianness - Russian language, culture and history, increasing the indigenous population in the XNUMXst century.
    .
    .



    Let me remind the author that taking care of the Russians and Russianness , he forgets that it was Soviet civilization that even excluded the very name RUSSIA from the name of the country. It was Soviet civilization that cut off the primordially Russian lands of New Russia from the mother of Russia (forcibly Ukrainized millions of Russians), destroyed the Terek region of the Great Russian Cossacks, inflicting an irreparable blow on the Russian Caucasus, the same thing happened in Semirechye, Orenburg region.
    It is due to the ruthless pumping of huge material and HUMAN resources from Russian regions outskirts were settled down (by 1985 m the Non-Black Earth Region half a million empty houses) Almost all the republics were subsidized and only Russia was a donor and lived WORSE outside the suburbs.

    One of the fastest growing nations in the world in 1917, the Russian people in 1964 ceased to reproduce themselves.

    Speaking about Russian history in Soviet civilization, the author forgot that it was she who blew up the main monument of Russian military glory in Borodino, blew up the grave of the hero Borodin Bagration, whose bones were white off the road, and in the monument to the Heroes of Plevna, where there were plaques with the names of Russian soldiers, arranged a monumental restroom.

    Speaking about the strength of the owls of civilization, the author forgot that a “solid” civilization does not fall apart so quickly and without resistance.

    Where blew away, this article ?????????????????????? Judging by the breaks, there should be a photo. Lay them out. I can add that it is not Russian nationalism, our religious tolerance, that saves Russia, no matter how hard it is to admit it.
  7. +3
    13 February 2017 08: 25
    A civilization that has existed for 70 years, and why not a geological era?
    1. +2
      13 February 2017 09: 06
      So after all, it was impossible to blame immediately on the plans of the Rothschilds; Yes, and Stalin cut Leninists cool, and then in the 1920 to Paris, at the conference following the results of the 1 World, they brought a land map, which had to be left for Russia. Interestingly, it coincides with the borders of modern Russia, only Siberia could not be torn away and Crimea was returned back. The righteous guys corrected them well, right along the Rothschild, right the second Christ, as he said, it happened.
      1. +4
        13 February 2017 13: 27
        You and Rothschild know each other personally, maybe you don’t need to blame him for anything stupid, everything is going according to his plan, how did people even live up to the Rothschilds?
    2. 0
      16 February 2017 17: 10
      The great empire of Alexander the Great lasted 5 times less than the USSR.
      laughing
  8. +2
    13 February 2017 08: 58
    The article begins with outright lies. In Russia, the percentage of the richest owns less than 7% of the country's wealth, not 90%.
    http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/995958.html - вот здесь вчера как раз разбирались "журналисты", которые верят всему, что для них удобно.
    If you want to powder your brains, then you need to do this more carefully.
    1. +1
      13 February 2017 21: 16
      Russia's percentage of the richest owns less than 7% of the country's wealth, not 90%.

      The general condition of all Russian billionaires is $ 300-350 billion. Russia's GDP is 1350 billion dollars. Therefore, 100 people have the equivalent of 23% of the Russian economy. And this is only an official state, as well as a large number of hidden billionaires. For example, the shadow economy is 40% of the economy. Therefore, in the shadow is 1350 * 0.3-0.4 = 405-540 billion dollars.
  9. 0
    13 February 2017 09: 10
    Again, our players got
  10. +1
    13 February 2017 10: 31
    Quote: Vladislav 73
    I am always interested in the question: but these crystal-bakers, singers of monarchism, extolling to heaven "the kind, intelligent and generally wonderful Tsar-priest" Nikolai the Bloody, they imagine
    I think they can’t imagine it, from the word AT ALL. And so, they lick it up just in case. Suddenly, who will pay? Such servility.
  11. +5
    13 February 2017 13: 06
    How excited were the representatives of the “elite” and its minions! There is not even a hint of the presence of a mind obliging one to exhibit at least a minimal ability for discussion. They are told: the elite must be responsible for the fate of the people or they will be demolished. And the "elite" screams back: shut up the mob! That’s the whole point of this “elite”. She has neither conscience nor mind. Because without conscience, the mind is not able to simulate harmonious being, much less realize it. The shameless elite is the shit of the nation.
    1. +2
      13 February 2017 13: 29
      Well, yes, gentlemen, comrades, you are very capable of discussion, everyone who is against, the enemy of the people against his wall.
  12. +4
    13 February 2017 13: 33
    Quote: Cartalon
    Actually, the number of Russians was discussed, not the population of the USSR

    The population of the USSR was the Soviet people, a new historical subject, formed around the Russian ethnic group. In other words: ethnic Russians implemented a civilization project with the formation of a new historical subject, which can be interpreted as magnifying Russian nationalism. But it seems that this is just what pleases you a little, you probably prefer diminutive nationalism in the framework of some kind of "Moscow principality" surrounded by other, equally small, but "proud" national entities. At the same time, the very essence of the Russian people will inevitably dissolve irreversibly, but you no longer care. Perhaps this is your dream and goal. Object if something is wrong.
    1. +1
      13 February 2017 21: 52
      Quote: Vladimir-988
      In other words: ethnic Russians implemented a civilization project with the formation of a new historical subject, which can be interpreted as magnifying Russian nationalism.

      Was he? I heard from older friends that the same svidomye appeared long before the collapse of the country. That is, from the point of view of the Russians, it may have been so, but all sorts of "fraternal peoples" are another matter. I remember classmates went on an excursion to the Baltic states, and told that they could inadvertently refuse to sell them in a store.
  13. +3
    13 February 2017 14: 09
    So, around the year 82, we hunted for a capercaillie in the spring in one wonderful place called Ilezsky Pogost. Places are fantastic. Air - you can drink.
    But it's not that. The current capercaillie does not hear anything! So commenting on this article - everyone hears only his song. And instead of discussing the relevant and modern in general, the topics again slipped into the Civil War. Some are for the whites, others are for the reds.
    Never tried, before breaking a saber from a scabbard, to form your own opinion. Moreover, not on the basis of ready-made recipes of a diametrically opposite sense, but to come to some conclusion on their own. Explore the Dannig-Krueger effect. try it on yourself self-critically. schedule a program. Sit over the primary sources, rummage through books. All is available. For example http://istmat.info/node/21341.
    1. +5
      13 February 2017 14: 18
      Quote: Medium
      Dannig-Krueger effect.

      Does he not contradict the Occam's scalpel? Something you yearn for dregs induce. sad
    2. +4
      13 February 2017 14: 47
      There is no need to defend the rightness of the Reds — their rightness is proven by history. So your maxim, to put it mildly, takes you aside. And as for "your own opinion", you also somehow kept silent, what is your "own" position? In the proposal to other participants to "sit ... rummaging through books"? A strange position, just like a capercaillie on a current.
      1. +2
        13 February 2017 15: 57
        I voiced my position on this issue many times. I can repeat it.
        The civil war in Russia is perhaps the longest civil war in history. 100 years ago, back in 1917 it began, but the completion is not visible.
        You can criticize the USSR as much as you like, but its influence on people's minds will not disappear soon.
        The controversy between the Reds and the Whites from the armed has passed another phase.
        It turned into a contradiction between the red and white view of social development and the search for those responsible for the problems of the 20th century. The red representatives are those who almost idealize the history of the Soviet period, seeing in the Soviet "Leninist-Stalinist" system the only possible and ideal way for the development of our state in the twentieth century, while attributing the fall of the Soviet system to a conspiracy of traitors. White representatives have a look at the history of the twentieth century almost diametrically opposed to red. Representatives of the “whites” see in the October Revolution of 1917 of the year the most important historical tragedy in the history of our state. They believe that the Bolshevik Revolution and the subsequent defeat in the Civil War of the white movement discarded the social and economic development of our society for many 100 years.
        Modern whites believe that if it were not for the October Revolution, Russia would be exactly what the United States of America is now. It was Russia that was destined to be the dominant power in the economic, political and demographic sense. All that we are talking with envy about America, America and Europe should have said about us in the 16 year of the XXI century, if there weren’t been the 1917 Revolution of the year, in the opinion of the white movement.
        Any oppression of a certain part of the population produces a backward aggressive reaction. Whites consider themselves irreconcilable with the Reds primarily because of the monopolization of political history.
        Perhaps it makes sense to create a civilized discussion between the Reds and the Whites at the cultural, ideological and political level.
        But for now, alas, what I wrote about capercaillie. Moreover, such a confrontation is even beneficial to those about whom today's article is. Distract from today's affairs. While the people are fighting among themselves, they are not worried about anything.
        1. +4
          13 February 2017 16: 59
          And where have all these modern whites been sitting for so long? They simply aren't there !!!!! Under this name, those who hope to repeat their EXPERIENCE !!!!!! To receive money from the West under the “white project” for their own enrichment. Let them cost section of Russia! No longer know how to make money !!!!
        2. 0
          14 February 2017 12: 54
          Quote: Medium
          Perhaps it makes sense to create a civilized discussion between the Reds and the Whites at the cultural, ideological and political level.
          But for now, alas, what I wrote about capercaillie

          Yes. That is why I stopped commenting on articles on the site. For they do not hear. No one and no one but yourself. And why then write something?
          Thank you!
        3. +1
          16 February 2017 16: 00
          Quote: Medium
          White representatives have a look at the history of the twentieth century almost diametrically opposed to red.

          The real things and successes are behind the reds, the country's transformation from a backward, agrarian and illiterate to advanced, industrial and with a mass education - and in just a couple of five-year periods.

          Unlike the reds, the Manila dreams of whites are exhaustively described by the proverb of our non-brothers about those who get richer in thought.

          In the 20th century, the technological backwardness of Russia and its dependence on the advanced powers steadily increased, the necessary reforms dragged on, both wars with the participation of the Republic of Ingushetia went extremely unsuccessfully, with huge losses and constant defeats - but according to the Khlebobunnikov, the revolution only naturally came to blame for this.
          The Bolsheviks are to blame for the bad dancer.
      2. 0
        15 February 2017 21: 21
        Quote: Vladimir-988
        There is no need to defend the rightness of the Reds — their rightness is proven by history.

        Now, if the USSR existed until now-then their correctness would be proved by history! tongue
        According to the laws of Hammurabi, people lived for 12 centuries. hi . According to the laws of Shan Yang (what cannibalism is) - 22 centuries. This I understand - have passed the test of time! And 73,5 years for history - nothing!
        1. 0
          16 February 2017 22: 29
          Quote: Weyland
          73,5 years for history - nothing!

          Once again, I remind illiterate anti-Soviet leaders that the great empire of Alexander the Great lasted 5 times less than the USSR.

          And the fact that we are still eating through the Soviet legacy.
    3. 0
      15 February 2017 21: 15
      Quote: Medium
      The current capercaillie does not hear anything! So commenting on this article - everyone hears only his song.

      According to statistics, in a dispute, 80% of arguers ignore the opponent’s arguments.
      And 20% listen attentively, but solely to refute it! laughing
      Quote: Trapper7
      Why then write something?

      When I argue with someone on the forum - I do not intend to convince him (because it is useless to try), I expect to convince one of those forum users who are watching the dispute from the outside!
  14. +4
    13 February 2017 14: 57
    It makes no difference, monarchy, communism, capitalism, but the concern of any state is the fair distribution of the country's wealth among its citizens. When we say the fair, this does not mean equally for everyone, it means earned in such a way that does not violate the law. And when, according to the results of the theft of the early 90s (privatization), an amnesty is declared, current corruption is covered - this is where the ground for a social upsurge in the form of Maidans, revolutions, etc., appears. there are no other solutions or they have discredited themselves.
    1. +5
      13 February 2017 15: 13
      "Fair" - this means - "according to work." And your definition of justice, which "does not violate the law", does not define anything specific. Laws are always adopted in the interests of the ruling elite; therefore, linking the concept of justice with “legislation” is not logical. From the point of view of bourgeois morality, everything is more or less fair with us, unless we need to "deepen and accelerate something." And from the point of view of the rest of the population, and this part is about 90% of the total population, much needs to be radically changed, for example, the type of ownership of mineral resources and resources, economic strategy, and an attitude towards ideology that does not exist yet. And without resolving these systemic issues, there will be no fair legislation.
      1. +1
        13 February 2017 15: 31
        And what does "according to work" mean? The work of a railwayman hammering nails into sleepers is more difficult than that of the chief designer. Does it follow from this that a railwayman should receive more without education, as waving with a hammer is more difficult to work in AutoCAD and PDM?
        1. +3
          13 February 2017 16: 01
          The chief designer - no, but the body - the radio host - yes.
          1. 0
            14 February 2017 16: 26
            Make at least one television show ... I'm sure the underwear will be wet from ... sweat, and the shirt will stick to your back. It is not at all easy to look at the camera and know that you are seen by thousands, if not millions of people! To many, very many, it’s easier to hammer in nails!
            1. +1
              16 February 2017 08: 44
              He was a TV presenter. And the pants with the shirt are wet the first time 10, then you get used to it. And if sweat appears, then from the heat due to spotlights.
              1. 0
                16 February 2017 18: 30
                I did my own shows ... 10 years on Penza TV and 3 years in Kuibyshev. 30 minutes of screen time monthly, or even twice a month. Often "live", from 1980 to 1991. And they paid me ... 40 p. in Penza and 50 p. in Kuibyshev. Pennies! And even 100 manufacturers of labor percussionists could not replace me alone. And do you think this payment is fair?
                1. +2
                  16 February 2017 19: 24
                  Quote: kalibr
                  And they paid me ... 40 p. in Penza and 50 p. in Kuibyshev. Pennies! And even 100 manufacturers of labor percussionists could not replace me alone. And do you think this payment is fair?


                  Your diagnosis is clear - "underrated"
                  1. 0
                    19 February 2017 17: 03
                    At that time - YES!
                    1. +2
                      19 February 2017 17: 23
                      I got what you mean.
                2. +1
                  17 February 2017 11: 09
                  Firstly, you are talking about TV in the USSR. There, the TV hosts did not receive much, they took to others. Secondly, 40 or 50 rub. for such a schedule, this is normal by the standards of the USSR. Thirdly, I wrote about modernity, speaking about my attitude to the remuneration of the general designer and presenter on radio and TV.
        2. +3
          13 February 2017 16: 04
          Does not mean. Regarding the issue of measuring labor, this is the next level of equitable society. How to measure the quantity and quality of socially useful work is not a simple question, but it is necessary to measure. Without such a fair system of measures of labor, talking about social justice is pointless. But such a system was in the USSR and developed and borrowed from it, for example, the Japanese system of material and moral stimulation, the Chinese - the system of state planning and economic management. And do not forget that in the USSR from 1947 to 1953 there were five price reductions for basic products each time by 10-15%. And if you spend 10-20 such reductions, then prices are close to zero and the need to measure labor disappears and this is not a utopia. But on condition - everyone works, as in China.
          1. +2
            13 February 2017 16: 40
            Equality, fraternity, each with 5 wives. Have a bite !!! There was a more mundane question, and not about how to overcome space and time.
            1. +3
              13 February 2017 17: 02
              Once you have "bitten", then it will be just right for you to now be able to solve all the "mundane" issues without going into any difficulties. I am sure you will succeed, in extreme cases - slam another stoparik. Thank you for an interesting, albeit insignificant, discussion.
          2. +4
            13 February 2017 17: 52
            Quote: Vladimir-988
            How to measure the quantity and quality of socially useful work is not a simple question, but it is necessary to measure. Without such a fair system of measures of labor, talking about social justice is pointless. But such a system was in the USSR and developed and borrowed from it, for example, the Japanese system of material and moral incentives, the Chinese - the system of state planning and economic management

            Many who received higher / secondary technical education in Soviet times probably know such a term as the Scientific Organization of Labor. Another thing is how it was "introduced" into the Soviet economy locally, but for example, Japan and some Western countries have creatively reworked some the Soviet theoreticians have successfully implemented the know-how in their own production. And when now they hire all kinds of “effective managers” to introduce “advanced” foreign experience — quality standards, organization of working hours, workplaces, etc., with surprise, you see that everything new is the well-forgotten old of the Soviet period! request
            Quote: Vladimir-988
            Regarding the issue of measuring labor, this is the next level of equitable society. How to measure the quantity and quality of socially useful work is not a simple question, but it is necessary to measure

            Any economist will say that the basis of the economy is primarily the production of material values, without it the economy is an inflated soap bubble making money from the air. This is what the liberal model offers. And why periodically capital countries have been shaken and shaken by economic crises. Or an economy without material values -fiction, and money is paper, no more. In the USSR, the stake was primarily on production, and accordingly, the one who produced material assets was a priority. Therefore, first of all, the “institute” of working specialties and engineers was developed -producers. And a skilled worker was appreciated and received more than a master and a simple engineer. And the quantity and quality of work in the USSR was considered, for example, by such a discipline as labor rationing.
            1. +2
              14 February 2017 12: 28
              And for some reason, every third brigade of the labor team disintegrated due to drunkenness! And people drank and drank. Under capitalism, they assured us, they drank with grief. Why did they drink so much in the USSR? With joy?
              1. 0
                16 February 2017 08: 45
                This is Stalin's fault. It was he who ordered in every city to equip the park. And in every park there is a pub.
          3. +2
            13 February 2017 22: 01
            Quote: Vladimir-988
            And if you spend 10-20 such reductions, then prices are close to zero and the need to measure labor disappears and this is not a utopia. But on condition - everyone works, as in China.

            Are there no prices in China? You know, the tragedy of 1917 was that in February they came to power ... and in October dreamers. Yes, the ideas laid down in the USSR were beyond praise - it should have been an ideal social structure. God or evolution created us - this is not so important, but man has remained human. We are representatives of a certain biological species, with instincts inherent in us by nature. This is pure biology, pure materialism. And the problem is that universal education and upbringing does not change this. Remember the 90s - those who then did such things that it’s better not to remember at night, they didn’t fall from the sky. Their "Soviet". And if you consider that such people are better suited to careerism, then alas.
        3. +2
          14 February 2017 10: 30
          Do you know that the signature on the drawing of the building signed is responsible for 25 years ?. So think that it’s easier to drive a nail according to the project once or be responsible for everything built according to your drawings throughout your life.
          "According to work" in this context should be read as "According to duties." Those. justice is the more responsibilities, the more rights. Moreover, real responsibilities, and not to shift a piece of paper from one scam to another.
  15. 0
    13 February 2017 18: 49
    Dear author, I, just like you, are worried about the current situation in Russia. Like you, I want the greatness of RUSSIA and prosperity for the RUSSIAN people, but I wanted to other "fraternal, developing, etc."
    But let me express my understanding of the situation, what do we most need now? We need mutual understanding and respect, you are also calling for this, we need to consolidate the society in order to leave “well-wishers” with their noses. AND
    I just thought, if there is (conditionally) Neolenin and will call the people to the "ax" then the "enlightened democracies" can organize a new Entente and possibly support the "revolutionaries", but until a certain point, they need to ruin our state! They will remember to write down that they were once “communists”, “maximalists” or “Martians” to ruin Russia, and then these “revolutionaries” will be quarreled (always like that) and pillows are like “catching a ferret”.
    Perhaps I’m talking chaotically, but what they wrote.
    PS
    I respect Stalin, but there won’t be a return to Stalinism. Recently, there’s a message on TV: in the Rostov region, a monument to Stalin was restored in a village (in 1961 he was drowned in the Don, and the local district policeman quietly took it out and hid at home), and the television crew conducted a survey among local communists: “Do you want her to return era? "and reports of the entire district only ONE (former instructor of the district committee) said he agreed.
    1. +2
      13 February 2017 20: 04
      And is everything normal with your logic? In your opinion, only at the request of one person, did you restore the bust of And In Stalin? Or does he live only in the village? How are such "polls" made well known ... So on the one hand, so with the other side ...
  16. +5
    13 February 2017 20: 32
    Thank you Alexander for the article. Once again, you have laid out everything on the shelves.
    I want to add for readers. 75% of the country's population live on 15 thousand rubles a month. For 10 years I headed the State Institution in the MCI of the USSR. My salary was 600 rubles from the Minister 2000 thousand rubles. I had more than 30 enterprises and research institutes subordinate, where about 250 thousand specialists worked. And I was a doctor of technical sciences, professor, laureate of the USSR Prize. Every Saturday, either personally, or with the Minister and members of the Government, they flew through enterprises. GAPs were introduced everywhere, there were automated workshops and sections, automated design bureaus. They worked in three shifts, the shift factor of CNC machines was not less than 2,64 .. In all my life I did not steal a ruble, although I built factories, I was no more than 3 times on vacation. And now, working as the Scientific Secretary of the Research Institute, I head the basic department at the university.
    See the return of the Ministers for work. Where is the GDP growth rate of 20-15%. I have the honor.
    1. 0
      14 February 2017 12: 23
      It is sad, of course, that for all your ranks, knowledge and experience, you like Samson opuses. My first-year students are better at this. No wonder Kozma Prutkov once wrote about specialists and about flux. Well, okay, who likes pop, who’s poppy, who’s popov’s daughter. I would follow “Mordvin 3” I would ask you to answer - if you have not answered yet - as a communications specialist and a big boss - did the Americans fly to the moon or not, or do you just not know?
      1. +3
        14 February 2017 12: 48
        Quote: kalibr
        as a communications specialist and a big boss, did the Americans fly to the moon or not, or do you just not know?

        Sure he knows. As a member of the state commission for the launch of Buran, as in the end the inventor of antennas on Buran, as responsible for the release of televisions in the USSR. Well, at least in some ways we agree with you. Yes
        1. +1
          14 February 2017 16: 21
          I am always in agreement with clever remarks and correctly asked questions.
          1. +2
            14 February 2017 16: 34
            And Comrade Michman is heading the basic department just in space, if sclerosis does not contradict me.
      2. +2
        14 February 2017 15: 27
        Quote: kalibr
        My first-year students are better at this.

        And HSE students are unshakably convinced that the liberal model of economics is the only true one! For they are also taught by teachers who are unshakably confident in their righteousness (although it seems that the Lord is infallible? Well, you are also in history, apparently) Only the consequences of this model are the majority it feels in its own way ... But HSE teachers will continue to claim that they teach the only right course, and to object to the reinforced concrete argument, you don’t understand anything, my first-year students understand more in economics than everyone else, together taken! request
        1. 0
          14 February 2017 16: 07
          Quote: Vladislav 73
          Only the consequences of this model, most feel in their shoes ..

          Vladislav! You are right in everything (!) That you wrote to me. Except one! The one that I quoted from your text above. And the majority AND SHOULD FEEL ON YOUR SKIN THAT IT IS DONE BY THE FINGER, and therefore is no longer worth it! Alas, this is so. Not the majority leads the minority behind them; it ALWAYS OBEYS him and tolerates him. Sometimes it overthrows, yes ... But it does not become richer. The destiny of a stupid majority is always to work for a smart minority. You can help the majority to become a little smarter, but ... to give blessings for ... does not make sense. You read at least an excerpt from Orwell 1984 "From the end of the Paleolithic, there have been three groups of people in society: higher, middle and lower ...". Well and further in the text. This is the basis of all human societies, this is the law.
          1. +2
            14 February 2017 18: 47
            Quote: kalibr
            And the majority AND SHOULD FEEL ON YOUR SKIN THAT IT IS DONE BY THE FINGER, and therefore is no longer worth it!

            Well, well ... I won’t even argue. It is clear what you are teaching your students. Subhumans, Untermensch, we are not worth anything at all ... Unlike you, supermen? belay
            1. 0
              14 February 2017 20: 04
              We all crawl out of the same position ... Genetics + upbringing inherent in us is another matter. And here the whole thing: the idler is not equal to the hardworking, stupid - smart. Are you going to argue with that? And here comes the result: a child from a decent family is more likely to become a decent person. That's all. Will you refer to exceptions? But they are few and they do not prove anything!

              Quote: Vladislav 73
              nothing at all


              Who are "we? If the finger made, children of the drunken conception, half-drunk movers, crooks and whores, then of course, such people just smoke the sky for nothing.
              1. +1
                14 February 2017 22: 11
                Quote: kalibr
                Who are "we? If the finger made, children of the drunken conception, half-drunk movers, crooks and whores, then of course, such people just smoke the sky for nothing.

                No no! stop No need to translate the arrows into the “antisocial element! You did understand everything that I told you, and now you are trying to dodge it! However, I have already said that it is clear to me what views you hold. You said it specifically enough!
                Quote: kalibr
                And the majority AND SHOULD FEEL ON YOUR SKIN THAT IT IS DONE BY THE FINGER, and therefore is not worth more

                He who has eyes can see, as they say. Are the Untermans in the eyes of the superman of the Third Reich also worthless? After all, is cotton wool, colorado in the eyes of Svidomo also worthless? Scoops, quilted jackets, in the eyes of our liberals are also worthless? And the robbery x is also justified, in the eyes of the liberal elite to rob the whole country is right, because for them the people are biomass, which also costs nothing? After all, you say so? I feel sorry for your students! ... request
          2. +3
            14 February 2017 21: 06
            Quote: kalibr
            And the majority AND SHOULD FEEL ON YOUR SKIN THAT IT IS DONE BY THE FINGER, and therefore is no longer worth it! Alas, this is so. Not the majority leads the minority along; it ALWAYS OBEYS him and tolerates him. Sometimes it overthrows, yes ... But it does not become richer. The destiny of a stupid majority is always to work for a smart minority. You can help the majority to become a little smarter, but ... to give blessings for ... does not make sense


            You need to enroll in the Club of Rome with such thoughts. They, too, are building plans similar to yours, to leave one GOLDEN billion on earth, for which the second billion should be humped, as you put it, “with a finger made”. And the rest must die.
            But actually, think about it, your ideas are akin to misanthropic fascist ideas, you divide people into the elite and subhuman.
            1. 0
              14 February 2017 21: 58
              I do not share. They share, right? Is not it so? Without my desire. Some of them are scooped out from under the cows, others fly into space and write books. And many thump, huh? Did I make them plump? Am I writing to you about what is in life, or is it not? And if so, what are you talking about? What nitpicking? It’s true ... And for you all people are brothers, right?
              1. +3
                14 February 2017 23: 38
                Quote: kalibr
                And for you, all people are brothers, right?


                Unlike you - YES! All people have the right to a decent life.
                And my remark does not concern what is observed or not observed in life, but about your unbridled arrogance and arrogance. You yourself imagined the salt of the earth ... Don’t be puffed, we’ll all be there ...
                1. 0
                  14 February 2017 23: 57
                  A. Green, kalibr ,,, all people have the right to a decent life,
                  ,,

                  As for the criteria for a decent life, an analysis of scientific views on this issue, as well as the most common ratings and indices of quality and living standards of the population used in Russia and abroad (human development index (HDI), quality of life index, prosperity index of the world , life satisfaction rating, World Happiness Index, world happiness report, etc.) allows us to conclude that the system of criteria for a decent life should include two groups: 1) criteria characterizing ur Wen state fulfills its obligation to provide a decent life for its citizens; 2) criteria characterizing the level of fulfillment by a person of the obligation to live with dignity (lead a decent lifestyle).
                2. 0
                  15 February 2017 10: 45
                  Arrogance manifests itself in writing the truth? And all people are brothers ... ISIS (banned in Russia) too, right? Have the right to a decent life! And we destroy their poor! And your high school students near Donetsk ... are also "brothers." And my neighbor, drunk in the ass, was a half-bum ... Here's a cool brother, he dreamed all his life. And such a gift to you, let the door be poured over you, and you will kiss his mouth for that with sugar, stinking of fumes: "My brother!" Himself is not funny?

                  By the way, I am also for EQUAL RIGHTS for all normal citizens, but for some reason only 20% of them, and the remaining 80% certainly have something that prevents them from using these rights, haha!
                  1. +3
                    15 February 2017 21: 41
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Arrogance manifests itself in writing the truth?


                    No, your arrogance is manifested in the contempt of others, all who are lower than you, all who have not achieved such successes as you, you consider yourself above all, smarter than everyone, you are an individualist, selfish, you do not care about everyone else. I don’t know how you studied at school. We despised such people.
                    1. 0
                      16 February 2017 18: 14
                      Well, you remained at the school level of perception of life. And I have the level of candidate of historical sciences, associate professor of the university, the author of many textbooks on which the youth of the Russian Federation study books, which are read by both citizens of the Russian Federation, both children and adults, as well as British, Americans, Germans ... Japanese, Australians ... I don't give a damn about fools, but with smart people, I always find a common language.
                      Why did I write to you about the Pareto law?
                      1. +2
                        16 February 2017 21: 45
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Why did I write to you about the Pareto law?


                        What, the Pareto principle warms your soul? I wrote to you that this is an empty principle that does not necessarily come true, and the knowledge of which gives nothing but the opportunity to impress others with its pseudo-education. But you, as a loser, most likely, and the Pareto principle misunderstood.

                        I, from his ignorance did not lose anything. Instead of the Pareto principle, Klipshtein’s law, Murphy’s law and the like, I studied materialistic dialectics, which really is a real methodology of scientific research and which helped me to correctly understand and evaluate all phenomena and events, both in society and in technology.
  17. +3
    14 February 2017 11: 22
    Revolutions in Russia have never led to good ........... we will destroy everything again and will rebuild (and this is not counting the enormous human sacrifice ....) there will be enough revolution in Russia .... ..about the elites ... then the revolution will bring other elites to power and what will change?
  18. 0
    14 February 2017 12: 18
    Quote: Vladislav 73
    Nobody equals liberal Westerners and crystal bakers! Liberasts are liberals, and crystal bakers are monarchists who dream of returning "ravishing evenings, beauties, footmen and crunch of French buns!"

    How interesting to read the comments on IN!
    1. 0
      14 February 2017 15: 21
      Quote: kalibr
      How interesting to read the comments on IN!

      Very informative comment! Do not read, does anyone make something? request
      1. 0
        14 February 2017 16: 34
        And why did you decide that my comment contains a negative? I really enjoy reading the comments on VO. I am once again convinced that the Pareto law works and it makes me happy, because it makes my life much easier. That's all!
  19. 0
    14 February 2017 12: 38
    Quote: Rastas
    In tsarist Russia blessed by you, a simple peasant did not even know who Pushkin or Kutuzov were.

    Here it is not necessary to write something stupid.
    1. +1
      14 February 2017 15: 20
      Yes, apparently, in RI, which was so dear to you, everything was so good in terms of literacy and enlightenment that the Soviet government has simply taken a course from it since 1919 towards the elimination of illiteracy (Likbez). !
      1. 0
        14 February 2017 16: 17
        Quote: Vladislav 73
        It’s just that everyone (especially the peasant mass) is completely writing and reading!

        Soon there will be my article, where excerpts from the memoirs of the French ambassador de Barents in Nikolaev Russia (Nicholas 1) will be given and his very interesting observations concerning reading ... cabmen! That is, it is clear that there were many problems with education. But judging by the multitude of materials, including newspaper articles of the time, there were many readers. Newspapers in the village were read by one (!) And retold to everyone else. In the tsarist army, literacy required training all soldiers. That is, they retired literate. It is clear that after 25 years there were few, but not as few as it seems. There is data on demobilization over the years! Then, after 1864, they began to serve much less, but again, everyone left the service literate. Special magazines for soldiers "Soldier's Reading" were issued, for example. I read them! Very interesting! Even about Pushkin - how great he is! But more about this in the article. However, you can contact the Lenin Library and open your own electronic office there. Order through it photocopies of these magazines by years and read. You yourself will see that the soldiers were given very thoughtful information, even about professions, how to become a tanner, how to sow (!) Correctly, the namesake of the emperor ... And all this went to the people through the soldier! I give you good advice, you won’t regret it!
        1. +2
          14 February 2017 16: 21
          Quote: kalibr
          very interesting his observations on reading ... cab drivers!

          - mdy ...
          - well, if exactly cab drivers... then you can probably believe request
          1. 0
            14 February 2017 19: 17
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - Well, if it’s the cabman ... then, probably, you can believe

            laughing good laughing
          2. 0
            14 February 2017 20: 06
            Well this is my mistake, okay. The article does not have it, and it does not change anything!
          3. 0
            15 February 2017 10: 55
            By the way, I completely forgot 6 material called "Torn Feather" (!) Already!
        2. +1
          14 February 2017 19: 17
          Quote: kalibr
          That is, it is clear that there were many problems with education. But judging by the many materials, including newspaper articles of the time, there were many readers

          Well, judging by the 1897 Universal Census, the literacy data for the population is very far from your optimism. Yes, and for recruits, literacy data are very different from the ones you quoted above. Yes, and literacy criteria, let's say, raise questions. And finally, literacy seems to have become so much that in 1902 a whole Commission was needed on the question of education in the troops under the General Staff, and to introduce compulsory literacy in a new way! request
          1. 0
            14 February 2017 20: 08
            I wrote you all the above. Read this magazine. It has been published since 1848. And, of course, the data on paper always differed from what it was in life. But to say that everything was completely "nowhere" is impossible.

            And why do you write to recruits? I did not write you about recruits. Not recruits, but "demobilization" matter!
            1. +1
              14 February 2017 22: 17
              Quote: kalibr
              And why do you write to recruits? I did not write you about recruits.

              Because the literacy data of recruits (recruits) were regularly kept, at the same time it was some kind (no data were changed there before the introduction of universal military service in 1874), an indicator of the general literacy of the population.
              1. 0
                15 February 2017 10: 51
                So you look at the publication indicated by me. Learn a lot of interesting and useful. And then there are Morozov’s articles in the Rodina magazine, “Who Should Live Well in Russia?” It’s about recruits and everything else. Read it ...
              2. 0
                15 February 2017 10: 56
                By the way, I completely forgot 6 material called "Torn Feather" (1) was already!
              3. 0
                16 February 2017 16: 13
                I must note that the pre-war recruits, which went to the tsarist army consciously and of their choice, were the most active and appropriately competent part of the peasant population.

                When the WWII began and the army began to row everyone, the literacy rate fell by half!

                and yet, in these numbers those who mastered level 1 of the central vocational school were considered literate - knowledge of letters, the ability to write and read their surname, and the most frequently used words.

                If you raise the criteria to the level of at least 3 classes of central vocational schools, the number of literate students drops sharply. In the city, out of the children who entered the 1st grade of the central vocational schools, a little over 3–10% were completing their studies until the 11rd; in the countryside, less than 10%.
  20. 0
    14 February 2017 16: 31
    Quote: Reptiloid
    And where have all these modern whites been sitting for so long? They simply aren't there !!!!! Under this name, those who hope to repeat their EXPERIENCE !!!!!! To receive money from the West under the “white project” for their own enrichment. Let them cost section of Russia! No longer know how to make money !!!!

    How well you wrote in the beginning and how bad in the end. That is, everything happens with Western money? For the sake of enrichment? And the competent authorities again blink their eyes and can’t stop them? So Tugriks carry suitcases and hand them out at the embassy? Reread the Strugatsky "Inhabited Island". There is also about Hontian gold. And in the film, the first series ... but in the film it is not as good as in the book. And figure it out on our reality. When the Strugatsky understood it ...
  21. 0
    15 February 2017 08: 48
    Our Slavic civilization has no ultimate strength !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. 0
      15 February 2017 10: 53
      Yes, Russia, China and India belong to non-conquering civilizations. That is, they can be conquered, but for a short while it is impossible to destroy them in principle, and basically they preserve, even after being under the conquerors, their culture.
  22. 0
    15 February 2017 11: 02
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Don’t be puffed, we’ll all be there ..

    This is true, but in any dispute the winner is not the one who is even formally right, but the one who is outliving his opponent. It is clear that in my 62 years I will most likely not survive you and, so to speak, I will not be able to laugh while standing at your grave, most likely you will succeed. But ... since 1982, I have prepared so many students that I have absolutely nothing to worry about. Then on Thursday I’ll go to a lecture, I’ll say: “open your iPhones, find a statement by a certain Vladislav at VO and ... your opinion?” And I'm more than sure how this will end. And then we will deepen our knowledge of the problem, consolidate the position that ... people are all different, that the bad make the bad, and that's it! I recommend them to watch the wonderful Indian film "Tramp" with Raj Kapoor in the title role. And no more!
    1. +1
      15 February 2017 11: 34
      Quote: kalibr
      Then on Thursday I’ll go to a lecture, I’ll say: “open your iPhones, find a statement by a certain Vladislav at VO and ... your opinion?” And I'm more than sure how this will end

      And I’m sure. “What is pop and such a parish!” I wrote above that I’m not going to argue with you, it’s useless, you still do not answer questions, or take them aside.
      1. 0
        15 February 2017 16: 21
        Watch the film "Tramp", there Raj Kapoor is incomparable! And by the way, in which direction am I taking you away? Don't the bad do the bad, do the good, huh?
    2. +3
      15 February 2017 21: 46
      Quote: kalibr
      in any dispute, the winner is not the one who is even formally right, but the one who outlives his opponent.


      You are wrong here. In a dispute, the one behind whom the truth, the truth of history wins.
      1. 0
        16 February 2017 07: 03
        Do not think cliche! What is a "true story"? She does not exist! There is a text, what people wrote! Every year I do one “trick” in a lecture. I agree with the student. He runs into the audience, pretends to shoot me with a pistol, eats a banana. and runs away. (famous trick) Panic, scream. Please describe everything seen. There are no two identical descriptions! Then I read the script to them ... Then I say ... will you also describe the crime scene and take testimonies from witnesses? So remember and make no mistake: the winners write the story, they also close the archives for 100 years, they ... they pay the historians.
        1. +2
          16 February 2017 19: 29
          Quote: kalibr
          winners write history, they also close archives for 100 years, they ... they pay historians.


          You are mistaken, the truth is not closed, it still seeps through the prohibitions. So now you are trying to spit on our Soviet past, but it doesn’t work out for you. This is the truth of history.
          1. 0
            19 February 2017 17: 19
            Writing that there are smart and fools is to spit on the Soviet past, right?
            1. +2
              19 February 2017 17: 24
              Only in fools do you try to portray the entire Soviet past.
              1. 0
                19 February 2017 21: 50
                All? Is that all? But by the way ... built according to the mind without war with all missiles and nuclear submarines does not fall apart. And by the way, you still have not answered my question about people-brothers? ISIS is also your brothers, right?
  23. 0
    15 February 2017 11: 12
    Quote: Vladislav 73
    because for them, the people are biomass, which also costs nothing? After all, so you say?

    He is a different people! Clear! A “biomass” that costs nothing is just part of it. Clear? And even then the hope remains that some will change under the influence of information. Even a drunken half-bum, sitting in a puddle and screaming abomination, a citizen of the Russian Federation, has the right to choose and be elected and ... you need to work with him. This is what I inspire my students. This is the professional competence of PR and cultural studies: it is tolerant of people with different levels of culture, social affiliation and religion (the general cultural competence of OK-4 FSES HE).
    1. +1
      15 February 2017 11: 43
      Quote: kalibr
      This is what I inspire my students. This is the professional competence of PR and cultural studies: it is tolerant of people with different levels of culture, social affiliation and religion (the general cultural competence of OK-4 FSES HE).

      Don’t be cunning (don’t lie, don’t lie, as you like more)! Read your previous statements with the Nazi scent “about unfinished, worthless things!” .... Or the excuses of the 90s reformers ... “The end justifies the means”? Ignatius Loyola ... Hitler ... Vyacheslav Shpakovsky? I have nothing more to say! negative
      1. 0
        15 February 2017 16: 17
        Yes, you are just stupid! To lie to people like you is humiliating to me. I repeat once again, or rather I ask: what is “unfinished”, isn’t it? Isn't there an elite? Does Pareto's law not work? Are people under the influence of information not changing? Ostrovsky didn’t write the play “Wolves and Sheep”? That some will stop eating others or take advantage of their own? And what, to take advantage of God and education is fascism?
        And of course I have nothing to tell you, because the answers to all these questions will suit me, and you will have a navel untied, so to speak! And we must understand that Hitler spoke of the racial superiority of the German nation, and I am talking about the superiority of some people over others not on a national basis, but on a genetic and social basis. That is, we know Negro Obama and Negro with Kalash from Somalia. Well and so on ... And this is not fascism, this is life: the son of a thief is always more likely to become a thief than the son of a professor. Statistics confirm this!
        1. +4
          15 February 2017 21: 52
          Quote: kalibr
          Hitler spoke of the racial superiority of the German nation, and I am talking about the superiority of some people over others not on a national basis, but on a genetic and social basis.


          Hitler just genetics and justified the racial superiority of "blonde beast". So you are not far from Hitler.
          1. 0
            16 February 2017 07: 05
            Well, why are you stupid ... Hitler spoke of the superiority of the German nation. I explain to you the banal truth that fools and geniuses are among ALL peoples!
            1. +1
              16 February 2017 19: 41
              Quote: kalibr
              Hitler spoke of the superiority of the German nation. I explain to you the banal truth that fools and geniuses are among ALL peoples!

              Genetic explanation of racial superiority, superiority of the nation and superiority of the elite (including geniuses) is a method of fascist ideology. A person is a social being, and if he is not sick, then he acquires all his qualities when brought up and educated.
              1. 0
                19 February 2017 17: 15
                No, not all ... If all of many would have been no problems!
                But I have a question: do all nations have fools and geniuses? Is it argued fascism?
                1. +2
                  19 February 2017 17: 32
                  You are trying to convince everyone not that there are fools or geniuses among all peoples. You are trying to convince the superiority of the elite over the people. And we are not acceptable.
                  1. 0
                    19 February 2017 21: 56
                    That is, the elite is not a people and it is dumber than all the others? But it seems to everyone to understand that the one who has a voice sings in La Scala, and the one who has a voice - in Lower Perdunky. And there are city champions and world champions. And isn't that the elite? Is she not superior to everyone else? And who is this “we” - We are Nicholas II, right? If the elite did not have superiority over the people, it would not own 80% of the property and it ... would not exist at all. And she is! So these people stand out from the rest. In sports, art, politics, business. And you mean you do not accept? Well interesting.
                    1. +1
                      21 February 2017 14: 19
                      our current "little one" is NOT the elite. Because the elite stands out for its best qualities, and the current criminal oligarchic scum stood out as meanness and arrogance.

                      80% of the stolen and "grabbed" property that you credit to it in a normal society would become the basis for capital punishment with complete confiscation.
        2. +2
          15 February 2017 22: 18
          Quote: kalibr
          And we must understand that Hitler spoke of the racial superiority of the German nation, and I am talking about the superiority of some people over others not on a national basis, but on a genetic and social basis.

          Hitler built his theory of racial purity, including on such views as YOURS — the physical destruction or sterilization of a part of the nation on social and genetic grounds- “asocial elements”, mentally ill, patients with genetic diseases, patients with chronic diseases, we have been working for more than 5 years! , you cannot not know this! So your theories have not gone far from racial theories of Nazism!
      2. +1
        15 February 2017 21: 31
        Quote: Vladislav 73
        The end justifies the means? "Ignatius Loyola ... Hitler ... Vyacheslav Shpakovsky?

        ЧСХ, the Catholics of Loyola have a saint. And Thomas More - too! By the way, that the Jesuits really successfully built communism in Paraguay according to the precepts of Mora, have you heard? tongue And their reduction fell from an external powerful enemy, and not "from an internal ulcer," like the USSR!
  24. 0
    15 February 2017 11: 26
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Remember how Sholokhov described the flickering malachai of Shchukar in corn.

    And why did he stick out over the wattle fence? Even the toilet was not there! We recovered at the wattle fence!
    1. +3
      15 February 2017 21: 58
      Quote: kalibr
      And why did he stick out over the wattle fence? Even the toilet was not there! Went by the wattle fence

      Books must be read carefully. Sholokhov described the causes of the famine in the beginning of the 30s in “Virgin Soil Upturned” by the example of Grandfather Shukar, who, having slaughtered his young heifer, ate too much meat and then ran to the yard with diarrhea. I hope you know what diarrhea is.
      1. 0
        16 February 2017 07: 09
        Diarrhea is when a person staggers with a very loose stool. But where does it come from? It was not about the heifer, but about the absence of the toilet. I have the impression that you do not see my text well. I write about one thing, you answer about another.
        1. +4
          16 February 2017 19: 50
          Oh, oh, my friend, how did you manage? It turns out you are an ordinary dvoechnik, you studied Soviet literature poorly at school, and you did not carefully read M. Sholokhov. And he described Grandfather Shchukar’s sitting in corn, not because he didn’t have a toilet, but because of diarrhea, which happened as a result of eating himself from a young heifer, which, as a result of anti-collective farm propaganda, he killed so as not to take to the collective farm.
          1. 0
            19 February 2017 17: 13
            There wasn’t a toilet either, that’s the problem, because Malachai stuck it over the wattle fence!
            1. +1
              19 February 2017 17: 49
              I feel sorry for you.
              Firstly, you did not read "Virgin Soil Upturned".
              Secondly, you do not see cause-effect relationships of events.

              Even if Shchukar didn’t even have a toilet, which I deeply doubt, because in all the houses even the poor Cossacks had cold cesspools with cesspools, and in the cold season they went out of need, without leaving the hut, to the basin. And if Shukar had everything in order with the intestines, he would calmly go into it, and in the morning would splash the contents of the basin into the garden.

              But alas, he was just not all right from the intestines, since he stabbed a young heifer so as not to take it to the collective farm, and overeaten with young meat. As a result, he frequented corn. That's exactly why "... his malachai flickered in corn ..."

              So, because of the anti-collective farm propaganda of the enemies of the Soviet system, which grandfather Schukar succumbed to, the following year there was a famine in many grain districts.
              1. 0
                19 February 2017 22: 04
                In 2000, an article was published in one of the Penza newspapers ... no matter what. It is important that in the reviews of it one person wrote that in Belarus in 1941, there was not a single toilet in the family of his grandmother (and in the whole village!). The first "booths" were built there by the German occupiers!
                Well, and about "Tselina", then if I was in Soviet school, then of course I read it. But I still read a lot of other things, which I would advise you. But ... I see no reason. The future belongs to the youth that I brought up and bring up. So why should I convince you of something? My students come here, they’ll read it all. They will laugh at your obstinacy and lack of ability to answer my questions, and that’s all. I don’t need more. Our today's youth does not like losers, you see, all the more so under the Ukrainian flag!
                Especially made fun of the basin ... it is necessary to come up with this!
                1. +2
                  19 February 2017 22: 22
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Especially made fun of the basin ... it is necessary to come up with this!


                  It is felt that you always lived with a bath and a separate bathroom, and I lived in every way.
                2. +3
                  19 February 2017 22: 25
                  Quote: kalibr
                  The future belongs to the youth that I brought up and bring up. ..Here my students come here, they’ll read it all. They will laugh at your obstinacy and lack of ability to answer my questions, and that’s all. I don’t need more. Our today's youth does not like losers, you see, all the more so under the Ukrainian flag!


                  It is possible because you are educating your own kind. But there are other young people who are brought up by today's life. Fortunately, they don’t have a teacher like you, and their class instincts are gradually developing.
  25. +1
    16 February 2017 19: 57
    The situation is now almost identical, only fortunately there is no war on the territory of Russia, and so far there has not been a special “mass” activity of the masses. But the world war also did not suddenly begin, it was preceded by numerous "small" wars. And the revolutionary activity of the masses also developed gradually along with the deterioration of the situation of the people. Now in Russia, unfortunately, there is no leader at the level of F. Castro, V.I. Lenin, I.V. Stalin, E. Guevara, who would be for the people, and not a protege of some bunch of hucksters. The people themselves will not unite. There are fears that, as in the Outskirts, some hucksters may use popular discontent against others. People do not need this, because again deceived, as in 1991-1993 and to the present. Our main problem is the colossal stratification and polarization of our society, which is actually divided into the estates of masters and everyone else (as yet personally, but conditionally, free). In the USSR, too, the "kingdom of heaven" was not observed, i.e. one hundred percent justice, but there was certainly no such lawlessness, as it is now. Another problem that we got from 1991 and related to the first problem is the robbery of the people by squeezing out (privatizing) state and collective farm property by a bunch of former communists and Komsomol members who suddenly became democrats and entrepreneurs, denouncers of the Soviet totalitarian regime. These problems are slowly but surely pulling our long-suffering country into a new Troubles. War and devastation really do not want to. Our "partners" will immediately take advantage of this. But you cannot live on like that. If any cardinal changes are possible (an increase in the revolutionary activity of the masses, the emergence of a truly national leader, then only as a result of some kind of emergency on an all-Russian scale, when the country may be on the verge of destruction. The sluggish civil war escalated after the 1991 bourgeois coup. We must face the truth. Society is still divided into red and white and the Communists have nothing to do with it. Recently, pro-government political, pseudo-cultural figures and groups have made more and more attempts to impose on the population of Russia the idea of ​​"reconciliation" between the "red" (the majority of the population robbed since 1991) and the "white" (bourgeois, bureaucrats, "creative" intelligentsia, etc. the "elite" of society). It is felt that Military Review did not escape this trend, there are many similar conciliatory throws. This is done to maintain the existing status quo, i.e. power of the bourgeoisie over the rest of the poor population and to continue such a "banquet", a feast during the plague. The idea of ​​"reconciliation" supposedly to maintain a common country for all. We do not need a new Troubles, but unless the "elite" has peacefully surrendered the acquired back-breaking labor since 1991. The current "elite" itself will not build socialism and will not allow others. Therefore, the question of further prospects for the development of Russia remains open. Does such a country have a happy future for slaves and masters? The year 1917 showed that no. Under capitalism, Russia has one perspective - the Time of Troubles. As it is not regrettable. What should be “tomorrow” so that it, this “tomorrow” the country generally had. We need a transition to a new state system - socialism (taking into account the mistakes of the Soviet Union), the nationalization of strategic sectors of the economy, the elimination of private ownership of the means of production. It is necessary to change ideology (not superficial, official-patriotic), state system, mobilization economy and preparation of the country for a possible global war. Perhaps the blind man does not see the increasing possibility of such a war. Need a purge of society from top to bottom. And such large-scale events are possible only under socialism, if the leader of the country and his team have political will. As for the national question, about all the subjects of the federation should be equal, and not alone (republics - states within the Russian Federation) should be more equal than others (regions - mainly Russian). The state-forming and leading role of the Russian people should be recognized. You can not be Russian by nationality, but you can and should be Russian (and not "Russian") in spirit. Judging by the current domestic policy, our Guarantor is most likely part of this same "elite" or family, and it stands guard over its interests. Well, I will not believe for anything that EBN suddenly had a conscience at the end of 1999, and he decided to retire. Just the so-called elite decided to change the top manager. As for the economy, unfortunately, it is focused mainly on the export of raw materials. The economy stagnates for a long time, if it does not fall. Why do we need to develop our industry? It’s better to let foreigners start on something that has not yet been stolen and aggravate dependence on TNCs (TNBs). Import substitution is just a fiction. Replacing one import with another. According to the zombie man, they always talk about the opening of some new industries. Where is it, maybe on another planet? I don’t know how in other cities, but in my hometown (the administrative center of the subject of the Russian Federation in the NWFD) and in the region too, everything only falls below the plinth, with work getting worse and worse. The population is tense at the most I can not, as the last elections showed. Given the low turnout, the elections showed that people are more for the foreign policy of the President of the Russian Federation than for United Russia, which was covered by its popularity. EP itself is nothing, another oligarchic project with a pseudo-patriotic bias. And the rest of the Duma’s political “parties” are the same temporary artificial business projects with their specific tasks.
    1. +2
      18 February 2017 23: 52
      Quote: den-protector
      where and what is our country moving to?

      To either confusion and the repetition of the socialist revival, as after 1917, or to the complete enslavement of foreign powers and the subsequent destruction.

      Our current "little thing", alas, is not able to see beyond its own nose, is unable to think in terms of categories and scales of the country, is unable to put state interests above its own grasping reflex, which is their main one, like in small children and rhesus monkeys.

      Therefore, the myth of the magnificence of tsarist Russia at the end of its existence is being instilled into us. With its equally deep impotence of all power structures, the complete lack of rights of the people, mass illiteracy, the deepest and growing technological backwardness imposed from above by obscurantism, and other related "charms".
  26. +1
    19 February 2017 02: 45
    1904 - an eyeball, of course.
    In 1904 there was NO revolutionary unrest.
    And only in the summer of 1905. they have gained notable significance.

    Already after the catastrophic defeat of the tsarist fleet in the Tsushima battle, a rarity on a global scale in terms of loss ratio.

    Of the 38 ships of the tsar’s squadron, four were left in a state of combat readiness: an armless cruiser, two destroyers and vehicles, i.e. they were not a significant fighting force before the battle.

    Almost all the real warships of the royal squadron, in the total of 28 ships, were sunk or surrendered.
    6 ships escaped and were interned in neutral ports: 3 armored cruisers, a destroyer and a pair of transports.

    On the Japanese side, 3 (in brackets, in words: THREE) small number destroyers of less than 100 tons each were lost, only TWO of them were from the fire of a Russian squadron, and one from a collision with a Japanese ship.

    Of the 16,2 thousand sailors, less than 1 thousand reached Vladivostok, less than 2 thousand were interned in neutral ports, all the remaining 13,5 thousand died or were captured, against 117 dead (including from wounds after the battle) the Japanese.
    Since hobbyists with arithmetic are no better than with other knowledge, I will help them calculate: 13500/117 = 115,4 - more than 100-fold loss ratio. Do you know such examples in all world history?

    Another 3 months earlier Tsushima was the last major land battle in the RNE, after which there was a 175km stampede of the Russian army to the next fortified position, followed by a cowardly sitting there until the signing of the peace. Despite the one and a half numerical advantage over the Japanese.
    And the Japanese regretted that they did not have the strength to continue the offensive against the MILLION of elite Russian troops supposed by them at Sypingai positions.

    Even earlier, in 1904. All ground battles of the war were lost in a row by the tsarist army in a row, incl. the numerically smaller forces of the advancing enemy, and there was nothing to boast about at sea.

    But it’s to blame, for the bakers, only the revolution, which began much later and did not have any influence on the events of the RPE, was to blame. The Bolsheviks are to blame for the bad dancer.
  27. 0
    19 February 2017 08: 17
    Quote: murriou
    Yes, you, an illiterate creature, cannot even master Wikipedia, but you climb to teach me there too.
    Simply put, you have nothing to say, since you have no other numbers.
    Quote: murriou
    Your lies are crumbling about the fact that
    1. Russian prisoners were counted separately.
    2. "Missing" was too much.
    My? And why is that? Oh yes, you always forget the facts that are uncomfortable for you. Okay, one more time.
    The number of missing persons is high (over 39,6 thousand). This includes those captured and unaccounted for on the battlefield occupied by the enemy. The number of captured lower ranks is about 25 thousand people. 18 officers and 593 lower ranks died in captivity from wounds, 11 officers and 1019 lower ranks from illnesses. But at the same time, the authors of the historical study (commission members) believe that the number of those killed among the missing should approximately correspond to the number of injured among people of the same category, and since there were only about 5 thousand people last, the number of those killed among the missing should not exceed 1 thousand people. With the introduction of this amendment, there still remains a difference of 11,5 thousand, between the number of missing persons and the number of prisoners. This difference should be attributed to inaccuracy of information. The origin of this inaccuracy is quite natural with the displacement of military units and medical facilities during hostilities.

    Krivosheev and no one else.
    Quote: murriou
    Are you really trying to convince me that for a tsarist general it is NORMAL to be a half-witted down, unable to figure anything out with your own head, without a direct order from above?
    when he is given two directly opposite orders — and the crossing is difficult and not to enter a decisive battle, it is strange to expect clear action from him.
    Quote: murriou
    In fact, it was necessary for the tsarist generals in Korea to throw the Japanese into the sea, while the balance of power allowed this to be done.
    And how many Russian troops were in Korea?
    Quote: murriou
    I have poked your * face * many times into the ratio of losses of the first major battle of the tsarist army in the WWII.
    Did I argue with them? Only the first battle is not the last.
    Quote: murriou
    about the fact that these same riots began after a fair amount of time AFTER the conclusion of the Portsmouth peace, a little less than a year after Mukden. Specifically, the proclamation of the Chita Republic is November 1904, and the unrest that you erected in your fetish since 1906. essentially just begun.
    You do not know the date of KV? Serious unrest, that is, the "revolution", began in February 1905 - it is a shame not to know.
    Quote: murriou
    Yes, they tried to organize the defense, which means they considered it necessary and important.
    Yes, they CANNOT organize it HOW TO DO because of the deep impotence of the tsarist government.
    Sometimes people try to do something, not because they consider it important, but because it is supposed, at least formally.
    Quote: murriou
    And from what hangover would the Japanese do this? For the sake of persuasion stubborn illiterate bakers 100+ years later? laughing
    Well, for example, because when the winner has the strength to attack, then he comes in order to quickly complete the defeat of the enemy, end the war, get more at the conclusion of peace, etc. But JA couldn’t do this anymore, about which you were repeatedly given references to the works of historians.
    Quote: murriou
    To either confusion and the repetition of the socialist revival, as after 1917, or to the complete enslavement of foreign powers and the subsequent destruction.
    So how did the construction of a brighter future end?
    1. +2
      21 February 2017 14: 36
      Quote: Dart2027
      how did the construction of a brighter future end?

      By creating a powerful backlog, which we are still eating after total plunder in the 90s, and by creating a system of social guarantees, which had no analogues before, which is still being nibbled from the edges of the people.

      Quote: Dart2027
      how many Russian troops were in Korea?

      Russian troops were in Manchuria and could reach Korean territory in a few days, with the help of the fleet, and in a couple of weeks by land march.

      I remind you just in case, given your deep ignorance in history, that the Japanese troops on the Asian mainland since 1895. until 1904 In general, it was not until the landing in Korea after the outbreak of war, and the Russians have been there since 1895.

      But the Japanese had a month to occupy all of Korea with complete inaction of the enemy, and the tsarist army did not have 9 years to prepare for this.

      Quote: Dart2027
      Serious riots, that is, the "revolution", began in February 1905

      For the umpteenth time I am asking you what revolutionary events in central Russia could have had an impact on the theater of operations of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
      And each time you evade the answer, because it’s even clear to you that you’re not at all - but you don’t want to admit the impotence of the tsarist army and navy to death, but you cannot blame the Bolsheviks or other Martians.

      Quote: Dart2027
      when the winner has the strength to attack, then he comes

      That the Japanese had no strength for the offensive, I do not argue. But the tsarist army had no strength whatsoever, despite its significant numerical advantage!

      And for the defense, the Japanese still had enough forces. I gave you an example, when one and a half times superior forces of the tsarist army tried to attack the Japanese at Sandep, what happened? Irrevocable and useless losses are twice as many as Japanese - and retreat to their original positions, and then further. Because the combat readiness of the Japanese army was much higher than that of the tsar’s, throughout the entire RPE.

      The Japanese did at least something, Sakhalin took, for example, - and what did the tsarist army do, in addition to the cowardly sitting in fortified positions and preparing new fortified positions in case of a new retreat?

      And every time I ask this question, you try to wag the stern, or do not notice this question at all laughing
      1. 0
        21 February 2017 16: 04
        Quote: murriou
        By creating a powerful backlog, which we are still eating after total plunder in the 90s, and by creating a system of social guarantees that had no analogues before
        And the collapse of the country under the leadership of those who ruled it. For all their shortcomings, the “Februaryists” did not want the collapse of the country. That is, utopia turned out to be utopia.
        Quote: murriou
        For the umpteenth time I am asking you what revolutionary events in central Russia could have had an impact on the theater of operations of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
        Once again I remind you that they were not only in the central part of Russia.
        Quote: murriou
        That the Japanese had no strength for the offensive, I do not argue. But the tsarist army had no strength at all
        Exclusively in your opinion. However, you know the situation in France better than the French marshal and the history of Russia is better than professional historians who themselves chose as a source of information.
  28. 0
    19 February 2017 17: 09
    Alexander Green,
    Bill Gates and the Japanese economy rose on this empty principle. It is strange that you do not know this.
    1. +2
      19 February 2017 17: 53
      Do not tell my slippers.
      1. 0
        19 February 2017 22: 14
        “Don’t tell my slippers” is not the answer, you know. Not a serious answer. At school level. And then, not even ours, Russian, modern, but soviet, which has long been gone.
        There was a lot of material about stupid representatives of the country with a flag like yours. A lot of relevant comments. And the more you write, the more I become convinced that the people who wrote them ... are right. So read, read more, and not only "Virgin Soil Upturned", then it may be stupidity out of my head and disappear. But no, well, then God killed, and there's nothing to be done about it.
        1. +2
          19 February 2017 23: 11
          So you wrote it seriously? "Bill Gates and the Japanese economy have risen on this empty principle." This suggests that you, like all geeks, look at the top and are not able to look at the root.

          Bill Gates is an ordinary adventurer who deceived Altair, a computer manufacturer, that he has a program for their computer, then created a surrogate with his friend, but they were lucky - the program started working, and because the company had no other proposal, it was accepted.

          Then there was ordinary speculation and plagiarism. Bill Gates acquired the QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) for $ 50.000, changed its name to MS-DOS, and sold the license to IBM. The proceeds allowed him to expand his business further.

          In addition, Bill Gates stole the idea of ​​a personal computer (system-monitor-keyboard-mouse) from Steve Jobs (the founder of Apple), also stole the Macintosh operating system, after which he began to promote his ideas under the new Windows brand and created a new group of programmers (moreover, exploited the natives of their republics of the former USSR) to support this brilliant idea.

          He is not even a programmer and does not understand computers well. In a joint business with Paul Allen, who was engaged in technical ideas and promising developments, Gates preferred to engage in negotiations, contracts and other business communications. He is an ordinary marketer who has no conscience.

          I do not admire such people.
        2. +2
          19 February 2017 23: 15
          Quote: kalibr
          There was a lot of material about stupid representatives of the country with a flag like yours. A lot of relevant comments. And the more you write, the more I become convinced that the people who wrote them ... are right


          Of you arrogance and national excellence directly pret. This is my friend symptoms of fascism. Not only did I warn you about this. Go see a psychiatrist before it's too late.
    2. +1
      21 February 2017 14: 40
      Bill Gates is a crook and in all but scam, unskillful.
      But he is a big and successful rogue, so you admire him.
      The fact that this swindler was able to suck in badly working shitty software around the world and drive out much more worthy competitors from the market with the help of dirty and unscrupulous tricks cannot be admired by normal people.
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    22 February 2017 09: 53
    The basis of the turmoil in the inability of the majority and the unwillingness of the minority to build a society

    A very well-formulated thought.
    In practice, this is a correctly formulated question, which already contains half the answer:
    it is necessary to teach the majority and arouse desire in the minority (or replace this minority).

    And then the question arises:
    Who will do it and how?