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Poland upgrades all self-propelled installations "Shilka"

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The Polish Defense Ministry ordered the modernization of self-propelled anti-aircraft installations ZSU-23 – 4 “Shilka” to the new version ZSU-23 – 4MP Biała, by the year 2020 the entire fleet of these vehicles should be upgraded, reports Warspot with reference to the portal defence24.pl.

Poland upgrades all self-propelled installations "Shilka"


During the period from 2010 to 2012, the Polish military department has already upgraded some of its installations to the Biała version. According to unofficial data, 9 advanced Shiloks are part of the 10th Armored Brigade. They "serve to cover armored vehicles from low-flying aviation and missiles, and can also shoot down shells during artillery and mortar attacks, ”the material says.



The first prototype of the upgraded installation was shown in 2000 year. In 2005-m it was adopted. However, modernization work began only after 5 years. Modernization entrusted to the Center for Studies in Tarnów. The new version of the Soviet "Shilka" was named Biała, in honor of the Polish River ("White").

According to the resource, the updated machines received a “digital optical-electronic fire control system with a system of automated target tracking in both day and night conditions, as well as Grom anti-aircraft missiles.” The radar from the installation was dismantled - instead of it, the target is determined by the optical system. In addition, ZSU equipped with a night vision system. The crew was reduced to 3-x people.



“New equipment and partial replacement of ammunition (new sub-caliber shells were added) made it possible to increase the effective target destruction range to 3,5 km. Grom missiles can destroy enemy aircraft at a distance of 5,5 km ", - noted in the article.

In 1990, Polish designers developed the Loara ZSU equipped with two 35 mm caliber guns. She was supposed to replace Shilka, but the matter did not go further than the pre-production batch. Installation into service was not adopted, and all work on the project were minimized.

Anti-aircraft self-propelled installation Loara
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www.pzaku.net, defense24.pl
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 12 February 2017 11: 57
    +20
    Here it is, the reliability laid down by weapons designers. So many years have passed, but they are still modernizing.
    1. Monos
      Monos 12 February 2017 12: 07
      +19
      Quote: oleg-gr
      Here it is, the reliability laid down by weapons designers. So many years have passed, but they are still modernizing.

      In general, I was surprised that the Poles were still armed with something of ours. They seemed to be moving to the NATO standard.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 12 February 2017 12: 19
        +19
        So there, in the first place, is the standard on organizational structure-management-interaction. And so a bunch in eastern Europe of NATO countries with Soviet equipment in service.
        1. Monos
          Monos 12 February 2017 12: 39
          +5
          Quote: alexmach
          So there, in the first place, is the standard on organizational structure-management-interaction. And so a bunch in eastern Europe of NATO countries with Soviet equipment in service.

          It is strange that they were not fastened to the NATO military-industrial complex. Somewhere, the American hawks were underworked.
          Yes, and this "modernization" is ... I understand that if an optical-electronic system were added to the radar, but when "instead of" ... With such a "system" you can only fight against helicopters. Although, maybe they redirect it to ground targets?
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 12 February 2017 12: 45
            +7
            can also shoot down shells during artillery and mortar shelling

            "Shilka", if my memory serves me, is used for targets at a speed of up to 450 m / s, but how interesting is the projectile's arrival speed?
            1. cniza
              cniza 12 February 2017 13: 06
              +5
              Quote: alexmach
              So there, in the first place, is the standard on organizational structure-management-interaction. And so a bunch in eastern Europe of NATO countries with Soviet equipment in service.


              Not only, but also weapons, and the US military-industrial complex must be maintained, and the Poles will be squeezed.
              1. Arh
                Arh 12 February 2017 13: 47
                0
                But the Europeans understand that our old weapon is still wow)))
            2. Lexa-149
              Lexa-149 13 February 2017 13: 11
              +2
              I still need to see this shell! I’m afraid they won’t be able to do this without a radar. Yes, and how many shells can they shoot down from a volley, at least batteries? And from a volley of a division ?!
          2. Yarhann
            Yarhann 12 February 2017 13: 14
            +8
            in modern realities, shilka is a good means of protecting armored vehicles and the location of troops from Kr and especially from reconnaissance UAVs that are really difficult to shoot down with anything other than quick-firing barrel artillery.
          3. kirieeleyson
            kirieeleyson 12 February 2017 17: 28
            +2
            Yes, there’s nothing strange here, everything depends on money, because you still have to try to rearm a country like Poland, you still have to find a hundred billion and put it into the budget plan, and with their new 2% to NATO’s collection this is an impossible topic, a plan for a couple of decades, IMHO.
        2. Abel
          Abel 16 February 2017 00: 20
          0
          The Germans do not want to write off our MiGs (GDR) and change to American
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 12 February 2017 12: 58
        +10
        Quote: Monos
        In general, I was surprised that the Poles were still armed with something of ours. They seemed to be moving to the NATO standard.

        Shilkam in Poland still makes up the modernized S-125 M1 air defense system. In order to increase mobility, the launchers were transferred to the T-55 chassis.

        However, the Poles are actively seeking to acquire the American Patriot SAM.
      3. neri73-r
        neri73-r 12 February 2017 13: 49
        +2
        Quote: Monos
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Here it is, the reliability laid down by weapons designers. So many years have passed, but they are still modernizing.

        In general, I was surprised that the Poles were still armed with something of ours. They seemed to be moving to the NATO standard.

        Not everything is so simple, here on the website there was an article on tanks, which indicated step by step how much cost was needed to transfer the army to Western tanks, it turned out that leopards in Poland were standing, they were really training on our 72s or on twards!
      4. KaPToC
        KaPToC 13 February 2017 00: 34
        +1
        Quote: Monos
        They seemed to be moving to the NATO standard.

        The NATO standards indicate, first of all, the unification of ammunition, which has nothing to do with this machine, since there is simply no such caliber in NATO
      5. Sergey Kranov
        Sergey Kranov 13 February 2017 11: 22
        +3
        Monos. Part of the Shilok pshekas were given to the ukrofascists at the request of the ovs, and a part was left to themselves in the hope of modernizing them. In the Debaltsovsky cauldron, we met the Polish Shilka.
    2. maxim947
      maxim947 12 February 2017 12: 07
      +13
      In the coffins, the former Soviet leadership turns over like a spinning top from such turns of history, how many Soviet weapons are directed hypothetically and actually against us.
    3. Cat
      Cat 12 February 2017 12: 17
      +21
      And they not only modernize, but also manage to disown the Soviet heritage. They are especially touched by their attitude to military equipment, which they produced under the license of the USSR and technical tasks as a country of the Warsaw Pact. For example, they built Mi-2 according to their release without any help from the USSR, however, and like AN-2. It is forgotten that the factories for the production of the above equipment were built for the money of the USSR and with full technical documentation transferred free of charge. A similar situation with the BMP-1 which the Poles armed with a 40mm cannon in the new tower. The competition between the Polish booklets and the press takes place in the amount of percent, which in the last riotous lords changed.
      The situation with the tank based on the T72 - RT91 Tvarda is even funnier, in all the Polish sources the description of the tank begins approximately the same "Our Tvarda tank can no longer be considered the Russian T72!" The diagnosis however!
      1. captain
        captain 12 February 2017 13: 23
        +6
        Poles well done, right. There is little money, so we need to upgrade the old one, tested to modern standards. By the way, there are rumors that we began to upgrade Shilka. "Shilka" are in service with many countries and not everyone can buy "Tunguska", so the field of activity of the Poles is large. If our designers make a fuss, then we can also have our money on this topic.
  2. Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 12 February 2017 12: 03
    +2
    And our modern developments for close cover from aircraft and missiles / shells / mines where?
    1. izya top
      izya top 12 February 2017 12: 11
      +14
      Quote: Signor Tomato
      And our modern developments for close cover from aircraft and missiles / shells / mines where?

      carapace to help you
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 12 February 2017 12: 33
        +18
        And before the "Shell" there is still a "Tunguska".
    2. crocodile25
      crocodile25 12 February 2017 12: 16
      +2
      Quote: Signor Tomato
      And our modern developments for close cover from aircraft and missiles /

      But what about shell c1 !?
    3. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 12 February 2017 12: 29
      +6
      Hand-wired Wiki (descending):
      For the Air Force and Air Defense, up to 10 km (I don’t know why this is only for them. Vika, a windy woman): 42C6 Morpheus, 96K6 Shell C1, Shell C2 and Shell SM (by the way freshman 2016)
      For Ground Forces (similar to Shilka by the way) up to 15km: ZSU: 2K22 Tunguska; SAM: 9K33h Tor; MANPADS 9K333 Willow
      well, etc.
    4. Observer2014
      Observer2014 12 February 2017 12: 44
      +9
      Signore Tomato
      And our modern developments for close cover from aircraft and missiles / shells / mines where?
      Well, you give my friend laughing Did you understand what you asked?
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    6. activator
      activator 12 February 2017 13: 44
      +1
      Quote: Signor Tomato
      And our modern developments for close cover from aircraft and missiles / shells / mines where?

      Tunguska is a killer thing, watch and enjoy after such a diaper over everything laughing [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = Tbn-taoHcM
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    7. dvina71
      dvina71 12 February 2017 15: 02
      +1
      Quote: Signor Tomato
      And our modern developments for close cover from aircraft and missiles / shells / mines where?

      In the structure of the military air defense .. yandeks to help you ..
  3. Pirogov
    Pirogov 12 February 2017 12: 06
    +3
    The Poles took seriously the army. NATO decided to make a shield or a spear from Poland?
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 February 2017 12: 38
      +3
      Quote: Pirogov
      NATO decided to make a shield or a spear from Poland?

      Is it NATO? Something tells me that with this alliance strong metamorphoses can occur, as a result of which a strong struggle will begin in Europe for the center of gravity, between Germany and Poland ...
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 12 February 2017 12: 42
      +8
      Pirogov
      The Poles took seriously the army. NATO decided to make a shield or a spear from Poland?
      Roasted, radioactive meat.
    3. maxim947
      maxim947 12 February 2017 12: 46
      +6
      NATO decided to make a shield or a spear from Poland?[i] [/ i]
      No ... as usual meat and fools
    4. cap
      cap 12 February 2017 12: 49
      +3
      Quote: Pirogov
      The Poles took seriously the army. NATO decided to make a shield or a spear from Poland?


      I will say allegorically, a tolerant state is made from Poland below the back of NATO.
  4. izya top
    izya top 12 February 2017 12: 10
    +3
    why did these noblemen not decommunize? And what about the standards of Nata?
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 12 February 2017 12: 45
      +3
      izya top
      why did these noblemen not decommunize? And what about the standards of Nata?
      Pennies tend to miss and run out.
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 12 February 2017 12: 13
    +8
    They write that they have 5 Loara, 20 Biała and 8 "Shilka". Maybe they took some cars from their neighbors. Of course, they follow the equipment and now they even improve it.
    At the same time, we gave the “brothers in arms” iron, Mama Do not Cry! Next time, you need to be more careful.
    1. ICT
      ICT 12 February 2017 14: 56
      +2
      By the way, there’s a radar
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 12 February 2017 15: 35
        +7
        No, this is an optoelectronic system, here is a photo with a good angle where everything is visible:
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 12 February 2017 20: 28
      +1
      fuse shells? for 23 mm guns? but they’re not saying it effectively in such a small calligraphy
  6. askort154
    askort154 12 February 2017 12: 15
    +8
    Here it is Gorbachev’s “perestroika”. The most “sophisticated” - the Western group of troops of the USSR, was hastily withdrawn into the "clean field" of their country, and the equipment was left, along with the bases, to a potential enemy. Now, our Soviet equipment, after decades, began to serve against us.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 12 February 2017 12: 33
      +4
      This is the Northern Group of Forces. Western was in the GDR.
      1. askort154
        askort154 12 February 2017 14: 46
        +2
        samoletil18 .....This is the Northern Group of Forces. Western was in the GDR.

        Thank you, I am aware that they were: South, Central, GSVG, North and North-West - groups. And specifically Poland - North. Germany until 1989 - GSVG. From 1989 to 1994 - PGW. I summarized them all in my comment, bearing in mind the very process of withdrawing our troops from the West. hi
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit 12 February 2017 15: 12
      +2
      They removed their equipment, left only the infrastructure, and now it is all destroyed. The question is different, they removed the equipment, and immediately threw it, mainly in Ukraine, which it got.
  7. moskowit
    moskowit 12 February 2017 12: 15
    +1
    Yes, Shilka is a breakthrough car! So deep are the possibilities of modernization that you are amazed. The greatest school of Soviet engineering!
  8. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 12 February 2017 12: 16
    +3
    Reduce the operator? "Shilka" is an old woman, or a shaitan-arba in capable hands will still show herself. A zsu laura is similar to our tunguska, it’s been sculpted from it.
    1. ICT
      ICT 12 February 2017 15: 02
      +6
      yes no here cheetah in its purest form
    2. Olegovi4
      Olegovi4 12 February 2017 19: 59
      +1
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      zsu laura is similar to our tunguska
      Our Tunguska has rocket and artillery weapons.
  9. jovanni
    jovanni 12 February 2017 12: 18
    +2
    and can also shoot down shells during artillery and mortar shelling, ”the material says.

    Wow! Poles "Shilka" to the "Iron Dome" finalized! Or a kumpola ...
    1. Niccola Mack
      Niccola Mack 12 February 2017 12: 38
      +8
      Poles "Shilka" to the "Iron Dome" finalized!

      Where is the "dome" - even artillery shells are knocked down without looking.
      The next modification will be to shoot down bullets from a machine gun - immediately the entire queue.
  10. alexmach
    alexmach 12 February 2017 12: 21
    +2
    Where is the rocket interesting? In these asymmetric containers? There was an article on the Russian version of the modernization of Shilok, using Arrows
  11. viktor.
    viktor. 12 February 2017 12: 24
    +4
    in dill, the true patriots refused Kalashnikov, but the Poles? laughing
  12. kolkulon
    kolkulon 12 February 2017 12: 25
    +2
    In my childhood, I had a remote control with a wire. The machine is a beast!
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 12 February 2017 12: 33
      +2
      Wow ... They reminded ... My eldest son had the same ... This is somewhere at the end of 70's - beginning of 80's .... Thank you ...
  13. prior
    prior 12 February 2017 12: 35
    +5
    Upgraded Shilki against Iskander with nuclear warheads? Original!
    Poles!
    Nobody will conquer you. Because you hosted the American missile defense system, you will simply be erased from the face of the territory where you currently reside. For now, this is because as soon as you stick up - so right away .....
    And that’s it. Tryndets.
  14. Cat man null
    Cat man null 12 February 2017 12: 35
    +6
    Strange some kind of modernization, IMHO:

    - why remove the radar? And at the same time put optics + NVD? What is the gain?
    - What kind of a "caliber projectile" for 23-mm? Here I somehow faintly imagine this ... crap, God forgive me ... Are they there with sewing needles, or something, they shoot?
    - an increase in the range "to 3.5 km" - nothing, practically, it was already 2500 in range and 1500 in height ...

    In general, "modernization for the poor." There wasn’t enough strength and money on Lohr, so here comes the “modernization”
    1. seos
      seos 12 February 2017 13: 59
      +5
      The radars were removed to create the secrecy of the application, at such distances the radar burden.
      The range of guns per km raised pretty well.
      MANPADS added ...
      A good modernization of the "shilka", better than the others, at least theoretically ...
      "Shilka" in all countries is being modernized, who is much to what ...
      1. ICT
        ICT 12 February 2017 15: 12
        +4
        Quote: seos
        Radars removed to create stealth application

        Kaliningrad Oblast, the standard weather for those places is thick low cloud cover, a landfill .., I dig trenches in the "fields", practice marines near the silks, and planes fly above the clouds and turn the silks behind them, and you hide
    2. n0001
      n0001 12 February 2017 18: 55
      +2
      The kit has been integrated with the air defense team. The detection range is 8-10 km, the target tracking range is 7-8 km.
  15. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 12 February 2017 13: 01
    +2
    Something I do not understand the Poles.
    They pray for the Americans, they hate the Russians, and ride the "enemy" Soviet equipment.
    Where's the damn beloved by the Patriots Poles? lol
  16. dubowitskij.vick
    dubowitskij.vick 12 February 2017 13: 12
    +1
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Here it is, the reliability laid down by weapons designers. So many years have passed, but they are still modernizing.

    And not only this. Much more important is not the possibility of modernization, but the poverty of the military budget of Pshekia. Roughly speaking, they are trying to make a goat out of shit. Shilka is now suitable against an infantry attack. It is not effective against either high-flying or high-speed low-flying. After disinfection with just such means, when they are burned, the second wave of helicopters can finish the rest.
  17. Bondik05
    Bondik05 12 February 2017 13: 17
    +2
    For me, they orient her to the fight against infantry and turntables. In this version, the radar is definitely not needed, but the NVD is just right! Yes, and a rate of 4000 per minute is a good argument against infantry.
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 February 2017 13: 29
    0
    Why do the Poles need anything serious?
    Yes, in general and throughout Europe ...
    After all, I think everyone understands what kind of war it will be,
    into which Europe will be drawn, and how it will end for Europe.
    And they certainly won’t get off with the Red banner on the Reichstag ...
    So this is purely to support the level of armaments in case of exercises there or parades.
  19. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 12 February 2017 13: 36
    0
    Soviet technology once again wiped its nose "the young europeans".

    By and large, all this blasphemous communist technique laughing should be withdrawn from desovetized homunculi.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 12 February 2017 14: 01
      +2
      Shilka doesn’t have as many analogues as it seems ... The truck with the ZU-23 doesn’t count ... The closest analogues of NATO countries are expensive ...
  20. Prisoner
    Prisoner 12 February 2017 13: 59
    0
    Weakly began to rivet his ZSUShka to the Poles. And most importantly, they do not blather like svidomye about NATO standards, hold on to the shaitanka. winked
  21. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 12 February 2017 15: 13
    +2
    A very sensible decision. Not expensive and reliable. For the rest of the not so rich countries, I suggest taking an example from the neighbors.
  22. Disorder
    Disorder 12 February 2017 15: 53
    0
    It looks like Poland is turning into a dump of military equipment. After some time, the Psheks will also drive around in the US “modernized” armored vehicles.
  23. cat 23
    cat 23 12 February 2017 16: 13
    +2
    Since what years shilki something ?. I served 20 years ago, we already had anti-aircraft guns on each side, and twin trunks, + missiles in tubes. Chot behind life ....
  24. sergei1975
    sergei1975 12 February 2017 16: 19
    0
    The new "Shilka" on the "Cheetah" looks like.And honor and praise to the creators of the PT-76 on its basis created so many wonderful machines (BTR 50, MLBT, SAU 122, ZSU 24-4)
  25. Wolka
    Wolka 12 February 2017 16: 30
    0
    that’s what Soviet means, and what means best, but Polish modernization doesn’t provide for anything in terms of its own defense against weapons of destruction ...
  26. andrewkor
    andrewkor 12 February 2017 18: 36
    0
    But what about the “desovetization-de-communization” of weapons and the foam transition to NATO standards?
  27. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 12 February 2017 19: 47
    0
    They need to disassemble them for metal - this is the weapon of the Russian invaders.
  28. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 13 February 2017 15: 16
    0
    and can also shoot down shells during artillery and mortar shelling


    Is this even possible?
  29. All terrain vehicle
    All terrain vehicle 13 February 2017 16: 08
    0
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Here it is, the reliability laid down by weapons designers. So many years have passed, but they are still modernizing.

    There isn’t enough to make your own, here’s modernizing ..
  30. Guest171-Again
    Guest171-Again 13 February 2017 22: 47
    +1
    Regarding the shells: in night shooting, the shells that were fired from the launcher from the old Katyusha were used as targets. We practiced in optics mode, there was no time for the PKK / radio apkompl. / And the same targets were used for “Strela-1” / based on the BRDM / and “Strela-2; 2 m”