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No noise and no dust

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By the 70 years of the last century, a whole series of special-purpose units had been created in the USSR. To conduct covert operations in the rear of the enemy, "specialists" required a special weaponincluding low noise. The samples that existed at that time did not fully meet the requirements of the army, as well as other interested law enforcement agencies, so the Soviet gunsmiths developed a whole range of special-purpose weapons - Val, Vintorez, and others.


The most problematic was the niche of low-noise long-barreled weapons, in which regular Kalashnikov assault rifles of various modifications were used. The shot noise reduction was achieved due to the installation of silencers with rubber shutters and the use of a special US cartridge (reduced speed). However, this reduced the accuracy and effective range of fire - especially given the beginning of the mass distribution of personal protective equipment.


Kalashnikov assault rifle with silencer PBS (Silent Shooting Device)

According to the results of a number of studies, it was decided to create a whole complex of new silent weapons for special forces: a pistol, an automatic rifle, a sniper rifle and a grenade launcher.

"Vintorez" and "Val"

Of the conflicting requirements put forward by various departments, by 1983, tactical and technical requirements were formulated only for a special sniper complex, which was worked on under the cipher "Vintorez". This later became the unofficial name for the new silent rifle.

From "Vintorez" it was required to ensure the covert defeat of enemy manpower at a distance of up to 400 meters and break through the steel helmet at the same distance. Since the shot noise could be reduced only by using a cartridge with a subsonic bullet speed, it was possible to save the required energy of the bullet on 400 meters only by increasing its mass. The first version of the cartridge was made in the caliber 7,62 mm on the basis of the sleeve of the standard automatic cartridge 5,45 × 39 mm.


Next of kin: the Vintorez sniper rifle and the special Val machine gun

However, by the end of 1985, the customer finally delivered requirements for a special machine, from which, on the same 400 meters, it was required to pierce not only a helmet, but also body armor of protection class III. As a result, the caliber of the cartridge had to be increased to 9 mm. The new cartridge was developed in two versions: sniper SP-5 and armor-piercing SP-6. It was for them that the BCC (Special Sniper Rifle) was first released, and then the Val (Automaton Special) created on its base, Val, which had a folding metal instead of a permanent wooden butt.

The automatics of the new weapon worked on the principle of the gas outlet from the barrel with rigid locking with the rotary bolt. Actually, the trunk of the BCC and the AU was made short, just 200 mm, having in the muzzle a row of holes drilled through the cuts to divert gases from the barrel to the expansion chamber of the muffler.

Although formally the production of the VSS rifle began in the 1987 year, even before the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan, data on its combat use there has not yet been confirmed. Most sources agree that the first war for the new “silent” was the conflict in Chechnya. At the same time, the Air Force and the AU were used by both sides: some militants got a number of special “barrels” when they seized the weapons room of the local KGB, but they simply bought something.


Special cartridges 9 × 39 mm SP-5, SP-6, PUB-9

Most of the fighters who used the new special weapons spoke positively about him: WBU and AU proved to be an excellent weapon for special units at short and medium distances. Typical descriptions were quite typical:
“The AU / VSS weapon system is close to the ideal weapon for special forces. Its skillful use allows you to work wonders. For example, during one of the closest fire battles, the reconnaissance group from our unit managed to “fill up” five people, including the head patrol, while the opposing side began to understand something. ”

Actually, one of the main shortcomings that impede the wider distribution and use of ARIA was the technological complexity and, as a result, the high cost of the rifle. For example, the barrel of the weapon was made by milling.
Therefore, at the beginning of 90-x, work began on the creation of a cheaper counterpart. At the same time, the Ministry of Internal Affairs was especially interested in the potential of the new 9-mm cartridge. The used "shortages" on the basis of Kalashnikov because of the great penetrating power and inclination to rebound were dangerous enough for use in the city. In turn, hastily created new models of submachine guns chambered for the 9 × 18 cartridge from Makarov and they could do little against body armor.

Pobol number, cheaper price

This time, designers from Tula and Klimovsk acted as competitors. At TsNIItochmash, a new compact automaton was developed on the basis of AS “Val”: it became the MA (Compact Machine) CP-3 “Whirlwind”. In general, it was all the same "Val", only devoid of an integrated silencer, initially even without the possibility of installing a removable: it was added only on a modernized version of the CP-3M. The result is a compact and powerful weapon that is comparable in size to machine pistols, but is significantly superior to them thanks to the powerful cartridge.


Special forces soldier with a special small-sized machine 9А-91

However, in the “hungry” 90s, the work of Tula from the Instrument Engineering Design Bureau, who developed their new machine gun 9А-91 and later the VSK-94 sniper rifle based on it, looked more interesting. Although the Russian army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs continue to buy systems from both developers, according to the results of the operation, the balance is being formed rather in favor of simpler, more reliable and cheaper products of the Tula KBP. Here is the opinion of one of the acting officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation:

“VSK, as a cheaper one, was bought by the Ministry of Internal Affairs in much larger quantities than VSS. Both are in service, because BCC was first purchased, but because of the high cost and relative tenderness, VSK-94, which was proposed as a replacement for BCC, got involved. One of the decoding abbreviations VSK - "Military sniper complex." With similar characteristics, it is cheaper and more reliable than ARIA under severe operating conditions. Most likely, the price is the decisive factor. For greenhouse conditions, BCC is preferable. Accuracy should be no more than 7 cm (according to unverified data). VSK-94 allows careless care. Accuracy is allowed no more than 10. See Warranty BCC direction - 5000 shots, VSK-94 - 6000 shots. If I need accuracy and noiselessness - I choose BCC, if I want to be sure of reliability without long care (intensive fighting, extreme weather and terrain), for self-defense (intense automatic fire, ability to shoot without a silencer) - I choose VSK-94 ” .


VSK-94 sniper rifle

It should be noted that at the moment both in the West and in the Russian Federation a rather significant part of the efforts to improve small arms is aimed at increasing the capabilities of the weapon by giving it as much “modularity” and opportunities for the fighter to configure itself. So, for example, in relation to small-sized automata (“Whirlwind” and 9А-91) the following wishes were expressed:

lengthen the trunk (9A-91);
make the butt retractable with a retainer, like on a chestnut submachine gun;
make silencer PBS folding;
leave the rear sight, similar to that used on the AKC machine.

At the same time, unfortunately, the “domestic producer” reacted and responds to the requests of the final customer much less quickly than private offices, and the latter’s ability to work with service weapons is often limited. As a result, the weapon is modified by the method of “collective-farm tuning”: the necessary details are purchased or ordered to masters at their own expense by the fighters.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 February 2017 08: 00
    +4
    Trunks are good, and in fact have repeatedly proved to be good. We need such - by cut!
    1. Mister X
      Mister X 11 February 2017 14: 21
      +14
      And about the quality of a word neither in the article nor in the comments
      Commentary on the article "Sniper submachine gun from Tula. VSK-94" from 24 in January 2012
      Author Ryabov Cyril

      Quote: Yasniper
      The rifle is not bad for a second number in an urban setting, there was no other use; rather, the butt is rather the opposite; it is too long and we removed the rubber compensator for normal shooting, maybe later corrected, but the first copies of this suffered, in fact, it is 9А91 to which when they turned the muffler, the nut in the kit and put the butt, which can be removed, well, the scope is clear.
      The complete set of PSO-1 authors was not.
      Patron PUB-9 is not a patron, but a misunderstanding, those that came to us and I can not call patrons.
      On 100 meters, they stuck into the target and stuck out of the target, even with a silencer, some of the powder burned behind the muzzle of the silencer, so judge for yourself and draw conclusions.
      The bolt carrier with the bolt and the barrel were made of very poor quality metal; they were rusting before the eyes; after a small exit, they didn’t clean it during the day ... ... It’s all my fault.
      But in general, in the presence of the joint venture-5, proper courting of a rifle for the 100-250 m
      And there was still a nuance with her, the drummer is not fixed in the gate and with proper sloppiness, in general, not for the army in such a performance unequivocally.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 12 February 2017 09: 50
        +1
        Pichalka, but it’s worth it.
  2. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2017 08: 05
    +9
    very good term "collective farm tuning". and all hunting shops are littered with imported weapons, the beauty of which resembles glass buzes for savages
    1. your1970
      your1970 7 January 2018 17: 57
      +1
      Quote: aybolyt678
      all hunting stores are littered with imported weapons, the beauty of which resembles glass vases for savages
      I couldn’t choose from 2 dozens of MP-153 so that everything was fine, it feels like I’m not even birdies, but schoolchildren do labor lessons ....
      And you - "beads for the savages" ....
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 7 January 2018 20: 10
        0
        relevant. They can scold everyone, but no one can offer a solution.
  3. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2017 08: 12
    +5
    actually I’m shocked by Russian gunsmiths ... type Krugerka on the internet ... this is the collective farm version of IL 60 .. the popular answer is the dominance of imports in the pneumatics .. and why are the plants so slow ???
    1. PAM
      PAM 11 February 2017 10: 09
      +12
      and why are plants so slow ???

      a lot of paperwork;
      lately too often a change (for a couple of years of poppy) of managers (in large enterprises often imposed "sperm from someone who had broken through the Moscow gandon," who in some cases are generally inadequate and do not understand the specifics of the plant, but to show good performance they cut people) ( salaries for specialists));
      corrupt officials (who defend any interests but not the state (plant-people);
      hard to upgrade technologically (with equipment and machines);
      IT.-problem if in one word - dohera! sad
      1. Cat
        Cat 11 February 2017 10: 36
        +1
        Quote: aybolyt678
        actually I’m shocked by Russian gunsmiths ... type Krugerka on the internet ... this is the collective farm version of IL 60 .. the popular answer is the dominance of imports in the pneumatics .. and why are the plants so slow ???

        Already as a year IZh has been producing three models of Keith Kruger analog:
        Mr-553, Mr-553K and Biathlon 7-5. The first two gozo-balloons last with preliminary pumping. The price of the last 60 tugriks only kills, and the price of Krugergan in the collection is about 000. See the difference.
      2. Victor Wolz
        Victor Wolz 11 February 2017 18: 18
        +1
        And where does the territorial reference? Or in Moscow there are no factories and engineers?
      3. Leo7777
        Leo7777 14 February 2017 13: 47
        0
        And not only, putting a new product on the line is not as easy as it seems. And the factories in our country are mainly in cities where they pay a penny, sn does not increase, and prices approach capital, all those who are not yet at a young age relocate and go to work in the civilian direction, much more money.
    2. bunta
      bunta 11 February 2017 13: 04
      +4
      Quote: aybolyt678
      and why plants are so slow

      Do you seriously think that KK is interested in the civilian arms market? :)
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 11 February 2017 15: 20
      +2
      Quote: aybolyt678
      and why are plants so slow ???

      Capitalism is in the yard, and the methods of work and thinking are Soviet! smile
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 February 2017 08: 39
    +4
    I read about the use of such weapons. The sabotage group passes the sniper, and then the sniper with the BCC starts shooting in the back of the latter. And so in turn. No noise.
  5. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 11 February 2017 09: 26
    0
    One could also mention the MSS and the Storm. Yes, and PB with APB is still in motion.
  6. vitvit123
    vitvit123 11 February 2017 09: 33
    +1
    So that with one SHAFT the whole group ... A doubtful moment. The sniper will have to catch up with those who are in the bunt, and if you work for a long time, then there is. But they will find the lost. On the fingers something like this is likely.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 11 February 2017 11: 03
      0
      There were even statistics on how many were killed before the loss was discovered.
    2. marshes
      marshes 11 February 2017 12: 27
      +1
      Quote: vitvit123
      So that with one SHAFT the whole group ... A doubtful moment. The sniper will have to catch up with those who are in the bunt, and if you work for a long time, then there is. But they will find the lost. On the fingers something like this is likely.

      According to Zvezda, it was said that in Chechnya, three riflemen in an ambush were not "grinded" by a large group of militants.
  7. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 11 February 2017 09: 45
    +38
    "Tuning" is not for the soldiers, but for the "fashion-dandies" who drag themselves from all sorts of gadgets and not how much they fight, but how many are played in war games. At one time, I had seen enough of the so-called "special forces" in "fashionable" camouflage, hung with "spools" and with "tuned" weapons - "special forces", yeah, some show-offs. I just heard from them that: “here in the west, weapons are like weapons, but we have only one old thing” ... All these “tunings” are promoted in the west for two reasons:
    1) the armies there are becoming more “operetta” and are shifting towards PMCs, which in fact do not fight as much, but rather “play war games” in the “Hollywood” style, adopting the cinematic “military” “pop culture” with fashionable military men clothes and tuned weapons to look more "cool." In such an environment with no body kit, you really look like a school student from a province with a Chinese phone who has transferred to the capital’s school, instead of an “iPhone” like everyone else.
    2) for companies producing "modular" weapon systems, it is much more profitable to produce such a weapon than simple, since it is much more expensive and, in addition, "spills" additional costs for the purchase of "additional" modules and body kits. That is, it’s just pure marketing- “grandma’s scam” Those who really fought and fought seriously, without getting out of the battle for days and weeks, in dust, in the mud, in the rain and in the cold, and not like the notorious “special forces” - once a year, and even then on the principle of "bite and run away", they are well aware that weapons should be simple, reliable, and deadly. All these small buttons, translators, switches, body kits, scopes, trailed sights and other fentiflushki are unnecessary in combat conditions because dirt and dust are stuffed in there, it all clings to clothes and equipment, gets lost in settings, gets loose, gets lost, remains in storage and etc. In combat conditions, no one is steamed to adjust weapons for themselves, only "private traders" and other types of "pros" are involved in this, they happen from time to time (if at all) in the war, and often you just take what is and very often it’s “not yours” and taking this “not yours” you already know that these weapons are obviously made with a known quality and you don’t have to steam up with some kind of fit for yourself. Personally, I can’t stand it if something blocks my aiming line, or changes the usual classic grip and balance of weapons. And about shooting, you need to feel the weapon and then you shoot almost intuitively at all real distances and you don’t need any diopters, optics and other fashionable “devices” there ...
    1. fed2912
      fed2912 11 February 2017 10: 57
      +7
      Very nice comment. Purely my opinion.
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 11 February 2017 12: 35
      +4
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      And about shooting, you need to feel the weapon and then you shoot almost intuitively at all real distances and you don’t need any diopters, optics and other fashionable “devices” there ...

      Neither add nor diminish!
    3. would
      would 11 February 2017 15: 14
      +9
      I always answer one such message: There are such units in Russia as Alpha and Vympel, and indeed they are not the only ones.

      And these guys are just the same

      in "fashionable" camouflage, hung with "spools" and with "tuned" weapons - "special forces"


      In the multicam, with hung Kalash and machine guns, even with the AR-15 (well, the M16, which, as we like to say, is unsuitable for battle) and the Glocks, and much more.

      And choosing between an anonymous on the Internet who prints his post from a comfortable chair and with these guys who have decades of the country's best training and most difficult operations, including without getting out of the forests of the “North Caucasus resorts” for weeks or even months there is, as you put it, "yeah, some show-offs," I’ll choose the first ones from them, as you say from my comfortable chair, "show-offs."
      1. your1970
        your1970 7 January 2018 18: 04
        0
        Quote: rait
        And choosing between an anonymous on the Internet who prints his post from a comfortable chair and these guys who have decades of the country's best training and most difficult operations, including without getting out of the forests of the “North Caucasus resorts” for weeks or even months
        -he just wrote about permanent being in the war, not: they came, they killed, they left.
        Absolutely different principles of war - keep the position / checkpoint defense for years (position Monster_Fat) or go to a special operation (where it’s possible you don’t have to shoot)
        1. would
          would 8 January 2018 03: 49
          0
          I see what he is talking about

          At one time, I had seen enough of the so-called "commandos" in "fashionable" camouflage, hung with "spools" and with "tuned" weapons, "commandos" yeah, one show off.
    4. karabas-barabas
      karabas-barabas 11 February 2017 19: 32
      0
      And you can more specifically point to certain "fashion accessories" that a real soldier does not need in general ?! That which is purely for reasons of fashion and fashion is hung, you know ..
    5. gridasov
      gridasov 11 February 2017 20: 57
      +2
      Absolutely right ! Nevertheless, the optimal minimum must be ensured. We will not talk about clowns. However, any practitioner knows what noiselessness and disguise are. and sometimes all other wisdom of extinction. Therefore, one basic module representing the frame with the butt and the rest of the base you need to have, but a few trunks for various tasks and a universal “shutter” for several rounds for ultra-long shooting would be normal. And the same silencer that does not affect the effectiveness of shooting is extremely important.
      "Shooting from the hip" and without aiming with the eye is a whole science, when a developed brain compares a lot of data, and when shooting at a moving target and lead. Shooting at different humidity and temperature, above water and in the mountains. The analysis of many conditions and reasons leads to the conclusion that being a soldier is the same talent as being a scientist or in any other profession. And there are no trifles. Therefore, the best field specialists are people with a high educational background in various fields. Now these are not taught in schools, they just need to be sought out and given the opportunity to develop.
      1. marshes
        marshes 11 February 2017 21: 32
        0
        Quote: gridasov
        "Shooting from the hip" and without aiming with the eye is a whole science, when a developed brain compares a lot of data, and when shooting at a moving target and lead.

        So we were taught how to build a “track” of two or three cartridges. Former Afghans, Grushniki taught.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 11 February 2017 22: 27
          +1
          There are others. The guys, of course, were smart ones. The main thing is absolute enthusiasts in their field. We were just obsessed with young men who loved their work very much. This was a unique generation of children whose parents went through the Great War. We lived in the spirit of righteousness and justice and always competed with each other in the mastery of military knowledge. Therefore, Perestroika was so wild that many people spilled out into the people who, except for fighting, knew nothing more.
      2. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 11 February 2017 23: 44
        +3
        Sorry, but after 2 years of known events, it somehow somehow turned out to go to the "need" with a machine gun to make it ... this is "getting used to the weapon." Understand there is a rule defined by the classics of Marxism-Leninism "being determines consciousness" - and war is no exception .....
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 12 February 2017 00: 10
          +1
          And not only in need and not only then! You get used to tools as an integral part of the body. Everything happens completely naturally and simply. Others will say that you can quickly get tired of it, and everything happens naturally and simply. You grow together Motility is developed for actions that you no longer think about. By the way a lot. what taught me earlier just now transformed into other topics.
    6. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 12 February 2017 00: 34
      +10
      So fight at night with your "simple deadly" against the enemy with night sights. I wish you success! hi
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 12 February 2017 00: 45
        +2
        It has never been that some kind of weapon was created and the opposing one was not considered. For military scientists, this is like a driving force. Therefore, the task now is not to create the night vision sights themselves, but the methods of creating such an energy density to perceive the enemy without their designation. And then let them look into the darkness and think that it is empty there. or see misinforming objects.
    7. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 12 February 2017 09: 58
      0
      This is all understandable, but the article is just about weapons for special forces and not ordinary soldiers, who can not go out of battle for months until part is replaced and sent for reformation.
    8. gross kaput
      gross kaput 14 February 2017 21: 08
      0
      The next super-nano commando has not climbed out of the trench for at least two years? This is normal here, there are enough of them, only the trouble seems to be written smoothly, only there are many nuances that make it clear that the comrade has an idea of ​​the subject from the same pictures that are referenced. laughing
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      And about shooting, you need to feel the weapon and then you shoot almost intuitively at all real distances and you don’t need any diopters, optics and other fashionable “devices” there ...

      Especially when this is all in the computer laughing How do you say that? writer write ischo! laughing
    9. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 9 May 2017 05: 14
      0
      I agree!! the main thing in the war is not special forces, but a reliable rear.
  8. Niccola Mack
    Niccola Mack 11 February 2017 10: 44
    +1
    So, for example, with respect to small-sized machines ("Whirlwind" and 9A-91), the following wishes were expressed:
    lengthen the trunk (9A-91);

    This is interesting why?
    To lose your silence?
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 11 February 2017 12: 36
      +2
      Quote: Nikkola Mac
      This is interesting why?
      To lose your silence?

      Increase accuracy!
      1. bunta
        bunta 11 February 2017 13: 10
        +2
        Quote: Tol100v
        Increase accuracy!

        Someone laughed for a long time.
      2. Niccola Mack
        Niccola Mack 11 February 2017 15: 36
        +1
        Increase accuracy!

        In no way - accuracy (technical dispersion - not accuracy) will depend on the pitch of the rifling, the quality of the processing of the bore and the quality of the cartridge.
        The whole point of the appearance of special silent cartridges SP-5 and SP-6 is to maintain the momentum of a heavy bullet at a strictly normalized initial velocity of about 300 m / s. Otherwise, a supersonic barrier will make (330 m / s) make silence impossible.
        SP-5 is very much inferior, say 7,62 * 39PS in pulse - 677 joules. against 2000 j.

        This is achieved by a much smaller weight of gunpowder and a heavy bullet with a short barrel - the cartridges are about the same in size.

        It makes no sense to extend the trunk - the initial speed will increase and all this will lose its meaning.


        The same principle is used in the “Exhaust” rifle - a 12,7 bullet has a very large momentum (2500 joules) and already reliably pierces bulletproof vests at subsonic speed.

        By the way, the same thing in AKM with the PBS-1 silent firing device. The cartridge 7,62 US has a subsonic speed and energy of about 600 j.
        1. Owl
          Owl 11 February 2017 20: 16
          0
          On the BCC and AC, the barrel is longer, the discharge of powder gases, and therefore the reduction in bullet speed, is due to the side openings in the barrel.
          1. Niccola Mack
            Niccola Mack 12 February 2017 07: 15
            +3
            On the BCC and AC, the barrel is longer, the discharge of powder gases, and therefore the reduction in bullet speed, is due to the side openings in the barrel.


            This is a purely technological design decision — cut the Vintorez’s trunk at the beginning of the holes in the barrel — and you’ll get about the length of the barrel 9A-91.
            The point is, without increasing the speed of the bullet, to provide mechanical resistance with a much longer coupling of the barrel (on the barrel) with a silencer. It would be problematic to provide mechanical stability with a 3-4 cm shoot.

            I do not think that there were other considerations - the 9A-91 did without it.
          2. Niccola Mack
            Niccola Mack 12 February 2017 07: 17
            +1
            If you look at the barrel and the silencer 9A-91, it is clearly seen that the length of the holeless hole in their trunk is approximately the same as with the Vintorez, and the mechanical stability of the muffler is decided by the appendage at the back - the muffler is removable, unlike the Vintorez. There is no point in increasing the barrel length of the 9A-91.

            Now the most important thing is that the use of a system without a silencer under the joint venture cartridge makes no sense - take "Gyurzovsky" 9 * 21 and get the best characteristics.
        2. gridasov
          gridasov 11 February 2017 21: 14
          0
          Everything is somewhat different. The flight of a bullet and its rotation can be set not only by rifling., But also by comparing the magnetic component of the barrel and the bullet. I think so. that at least everyone knows the Magnus effect and this process can be controlled. Therefore, the work performed by the moment of rotation of the bullet’s flight levels the cone of resistance of the medium to flight. Otherwise, an acoustic impulse or a change in the direction of the cone of the sound wave occurs at a higher speed. And if you make a technological element at the end of the bullet, then the bullet in general can radically fly without this sound barrier. All this can allow replacing the gunpowder with other initiators of the bullet’s flight, which means it will reduce the weight and dimensions of the cartridge. Then, of course, the length of the barrel will not matter much. And then everything will be in balance.
  9. da Vinci
    da Vinci 11 February 2017 11: 05
    0
    And again they told about the secret of the Opener (known for about 20 years). It would be better to read about the PBS-1 device, a silent grenade launcher, silencers on a mosquito and a gun, a Makarov pistol with a silencer. wink
  10. Chever
    Chever 11 February 2017 12: 05
    +2
    and all hunting shops are littered with imported weapons, the beauty of which resembles glass buzes for savages


    But what, a weapon must look like it was made with an ax? No.
  11. gridasov
    gridasov 11 February 2017 15: 34
    +1
    The issues of silent shooting are directly related to the physics of the process of hydro-gas-dynamic flow movement. . The impulse of such a disturbance in the medium, for example, the initiation of an explosive charge in the cartridge to impart movement of the bullet in the barrel, can be fully identified with the process of flight of an aircraft or processes in a turbine. The difference is only in the transience of this impulse. Therefore, acoustic reactions in the medium during such processes have their own reasons and methods for their elimination. Why is turbine operation accompanied by noise? Therefore, we can say that to reduce noise and when firing a bullet in the barrel there are very simple methods, as well as methods to reduce the noise of the turbines. Moreover, absolutely without reducing the kinetic energy of the bullet’s flight, as well as the issues of solving the recoil problem. The technique consists in controlling hydro-gas-dynamic flows by transforming their potential energy, through downsizing of the flow array into separate jets, through concentration and algorithmic compression and expansion, through the control of vectors from longitudinal to the moments of rotation of the flow and, therefore, in direct vector transitions, direct leveling of the force recoil and cardinal reduction of noise from the pulse of the "explosion." In principle, the theory has been known for a long time, but the lack of new theories at the generalizing points of the analysis of the previous material, and so leaves progress to stagnate
    1. AUL
      AUL 11 February 2017 17: 10
      +3
      Gridasova again covered! Spring is coming soon, however ...
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 11 February 2017 17: 38
        0
        Well yes. "The waves rolled over the pier and fell down with a swift jack"
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 11 February 2017 18: 12
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          Hello Mr. Aviator! Perhaps I would be completely stupid, it is unlikely that you would enjoy spending time on such mediocrities as I do. Still, a turbine based on new operating principles exists as a certain device in everyday life. And computer algebra based on the use of the variable number function creates even more chaos in mathematics. But on the function of a constant value of the number, everything takes on a systemic and complete look. You see, I’m far from even capable of science. It is permissible to lower me even lower. But I cannot take away my ability to find a relationship with the most generalizing reasoning and the maximum specification of it. And this is exactly what allows me to combine absolutely all the information that enters my brain. . Normal people live in a space limited by a certain framework of information. And I can perceive such that others will be deadly. For example, you can imagine such information, namely information. which at least destabilizes you. At the same time, I can do this, but I can just relying on the scheme and in the subsequent methodology, which I see as numbers and their transformation in flows, vectors and potential between them. And then! There are such concepts that are not equivalent even in Russian. It cannot be associated with concepts that are known to people. Therefore, I select the words that you and others know. but many are not able to conduct analysis and see the meaning.
          1. karabas-barabas
            karabas-barabas 11 February 2017 19: 41
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            Here are those on! Indeed, I read your comment and my leg fell asleep! Coincidence?! I don’t think so!
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 11 February 2017 19: 50
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              Numb or fell asleep?
      2. gridasov
        gridasov 11 February 2017 17: 41
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        What covered that I made a silencer with a "controlled exhaust noise." The truth is not on weapons, but on a motorcycle. But one must be primitive in general in order not to understand the simplicity of the solution and the analogy of the application. Moreover, people like you have been and remain with what they have. I think that power units to perform unique tasks should be technically equipped with unique application devices. Therefore, when modern methods of hand-to-hand combat are shown, keep in mind that this is American propaganda. Specialists have long been working in high-tech devices and methods. To you and others, nothing personal
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 11 February 2017 17: 47
          +3
          Quote: gridasov
          made a silencer with "controlled exhaust noise". The truth is not on weapons, but on a motorcycle

          Quote: Ilf and Petrov, Twelve Chairs
          ... Victor Mikhailovich (Polesov) survived by a miracle and from the wreckage of a motorcycle in the next binge period, a stationary engine was arranged, which was very similar to real engine but didn't work ...

          - inspired, call request
          - Gridasov, the mentioned inventor is not yours, an hour, a relative?
          - and surnames are similar ... and not only surnames what
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 11 February 2017 18: 00
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            Yes, everything is fine! Just do not be so gullible and do not believe everything I said. We have to conspire. The conditions are as follows. And you immediately take everything in words. Think!
          2. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 11 February 2017 18: 51
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            Well, of course, Polesov, otherwise I mistakenly confused him with Lyapis-Trubetskoy
        2. gridasov
          gridasov 11 February 2017 17: 56
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          You know, now stating the participation of the Russian military contingent in Syria, one cannot fail to notice wisdom. military leaders. When everyone is clear. Since the weapon parameters have boundary and limit levels, there is nothing to fight with fighters at this level of used weapons. You just need to go to the level of contactless contact. This is the same as in martial arts. If an expert of not your style comes out against you, then just shoot him. Why am I doing this? To the fact that I'm talking to you. but others read. Therefore, I take this opportunity, And you just play along with me and that you do not say I can use it to my advantage.
          1. activator
            activator 11 February 2017 19: 43
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            Quote: gridasov
            And this is exactly what allows me to combine absolutely all the information that enters my brain. . Normal people live in a space limited by a certain framework of information. And I can perceive such that others will be deadly

            And I always knew that aliens exist sad And he always suspected that they had settled in Ukraine precisely, because the people who had grown up in this country could not do this to her. Aliens, undoubtedly aliens.
            Quote: gridasov
            Why am I doing this? To the fact that I'm talking to you. but others read. Therefore, I take this opportunity, And you just play along with me and that you do not say I can use it to my advantage.

            As I understand it, you are looking for contact with earthlings answering sharp posts with abstruse tirades, maybe instead of writing posts that make the brain, you can finally do something useful for the camp once you have settled with us. And then I read you like everything is clever, already horror and huge plans, but where is it all? zilch one motorcycle muffler. recourse Here is another representative of your kind who our president Poroshenko (that he is yours, I already have no doubts) also speaks well and correctly, and the prospects are already horrible, and all the exhaust from his plans is lost somewhere in your motorcycle muffler. request
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 11 February 2017 20: 02
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              M-yes it is! Poverty and poverty is the truth. In reality, businesses of all levels are jammed and those who are not dead go abroad. Therefore, in general, I strive to move somewhere. For the next generation in Ukraine there is nothing to do. And poverty is not the most important thing - one can somehow put up with it; the main thing is the degradation of the basic moral and ethical principles. population. I think you do not understand. In principle, not everything is going smoothly in your country either. Therefore, when some clever man tells me what needs to be done, then I would normally eat. But I think this is all the more not everyone can understand. In short, fast and continue to work.
              1. activator
                activator 11 February 2017 20: 35
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                Congratulations, this is the first post available for human understanding. You say that you can’t understand, but in my opinion you either don’t specially want to understand you because there is nothing to understand, and you take and remove the work of your silencer on video, I think you have a motorcycle once you made such a sophisticated muffler, and we will see and appreciate the secrets you can not reveal. yes My flag near the nickname corresponds to the country of residence.
                1. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 11 February 2017 22: 45
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                  Quote: gridasov
                  Normal people live in a space limited by a certain framework of information. And I can perceive such that others will be deadly
                  I am always amazed how you only "darpa" has not yet stolen with such a brilliant gift ...
                  Each time, reading your posts on the heart, it’s warming that “no, we haven’t reached yet, horns!”. Be careful there ... hi
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov 11 February 2017 23: 55
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                    Yes, everything really transforms as a process. Therefore, I still hope that it will be as we would like. But! The clouds are gathering. The density of events related to those who are interested in me has already certain guidelines. My salvation lies in the fact that I am taken for the majority as a dreamer and balabol.
                2. gridasov
                  gridasov 11 February 2017 23: 16
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                  You see, but there are such simple things that are not just seen as some functional thing. -the same silencer, but as a technology. Therefore, the simplicity of solving the issue of achieving a real physical effect of reducing the noise level, the manufacturability of reproduction not only of the muffler, but also of other products is the whole secret. And you know what I am most afraid of fraud. Not the deception itself, but the fact that I did not fully appreciate the completeness of the whole situation, which will lead me to the fact that I am not "likable." Therefore, I do not buy other people's advice. Give me the rationale that the option you have proposed will be effective and productive for all parties even then. start .work. I am positioning completely new approaches to addressing issues that whole institutions of different countries are trying to find. Yes, a lot of work is being done by them. But they are not able to solve fundamental issues. They are not capable of precisely such alternative views that allow us to take a new step in the evolution of our civilization. The fundamental fact is that it is possible to work with a hydrodynamic flow as an intangible product, but to understand the algorithms of its transformation in any vector and in relative potential, which gives a real effective result. With all this evidence is not required even at the level of reproduction of effects. Any engineer will instantly understand the fundamental novelty and what it can give.
          2. ura-banzai
            ura-banzai 11 February 2017 23: 51
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            In Syria, Russia is rolling in what has stagnated and of course new developments. It's just that they are interested in how many people will see gauges in flight and whether they will generally see the reaction speed to spans and means of warning radio interference wires. And in general it will be interesting to fly or not. Yes, and the pilots sat exactly on the ass Nehai trochs oversleep during the passage of other people's air defense.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 12 February 2017 00: 17
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              Well, this is without a doubt. Practice is developed in real conditions. Guys need to be given free rein to work for real. But the upper echelons in their level also do the job normally. Still felt SCHOOL
    2. ura-banzai
      ura-banzai 11 February 2017 22: 50
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      Gridasov sweated a rest. Why sometimes a sniper is called a sniper whip that knocks out bullets sharply, the barrel is like a steel spring expands and additionally throws a bullet or shell. Very few countries from which steel with additives are rolled and made high-quality trunks of any caliber. Secret processing is also a secret. Everything is clear, but it doesn’t work out.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 11 February 2017 23: 44
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        Yes, I don’t sweat! I understand you very much in the fact that a truly separate master is capable of intuitively creating in the freedom of his creativity what neither factories nor institutions are capable of. That's why I say it. that modern methods of creating an effective product are based on experiment and statistics, on the basis of which one can understand what is not suitable and what gives the result. And I'm talking about the primacy of analysis and what can give results in the phase of intellectual development. That is why I am talking about the search for the interacting properties of the barrel and the bullet. And this can only be done at the level of analysis of their magnetic properties. In addition, in dynamics. From this it follows that both the barrel and the bullet itself can be such that from the beginning of the flight in the barrel and at the exit, it will be radically different. After all, different flight conditions. Therefore, fitting a bullet for an effective flight in different parts of the barrel, it may be completely unsuitable for flying in changing air or underwater conditions. . Do you understand what I mean?
        1. ura-banzai
          ura-banzai 12 February 2017 00: 19
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          Why the barrel length is just such and no other it has been calculated by any science, but definitely with the help of experiments by the banal shooting of thousands of rounds and changing the length of the barrels, steel grades, the manufacture of trunks, drilling or forging, and there is also such an expression as a bore hole. And again, shooting, in order to improve the transition of a bullet from one medium where there is friction to another medium where there is a flight.
  12. infantryman2020
    infantryman2020 11 February 2017 18: 23
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    Admins, and where is the link to the source of the 1-th quote?
    She is taken from an article published in "Soldier of Fortune" (source). And there the opinion of the representatives of not the Federal Penitentiary Service, but the GRU of the General Staff is presented.
    1. bunta
      bunta 11 February 2017 20: 25
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      Quote: infantryman2020
      Admins, and where is the link to the source of the 1-th quote?

      Admins here to do with it? It is on the conscience of the author.
  13. Owl
    Owl 11 February 2017 20: 13
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    I fully agree with the indicated shortcomings 9A91 and VSK-94. In addition - it is difficult to quickly replace the store, it is difficult to connect the store.
  14. ura-banzai
    ura-banzai 11 February 2017 23: 37
    +1
    Any special profile or universal weapon is a big compromise between the task that it performs, cost, reliability and further use not on the profile, whatever the type of money that is paid, you must use it. Soviet silent weapons or Russian weapons are certainly on top here. From the recollections of the participants in the Iraq war, the M-16 in a case behind his shoulders is in the hands of AKM. Shoot sharply shot down the first wave of attack rested changed diapers and begin shooting from the M-16. During the attack, in the first seconds, a powerful fire shield gives the AKM it failsafe and quick-fire heated, threw it out not a pity, and then they get the M-16. In the photo and video at the roadblocks, the Yankees with Kalash are often and densely standing. Here is an example for you they do not have weapons of high reliability. The silent weapon for the special task is the main in the rest of the time in the case as the second, but it is always difficult with you, but in war it does not happen easily. I see the use of silent rifle complexes, this is not an NS stalker where the exoskeleton is in the 300kg plus and a large selection of any little ones for all occasions in the zone. Sincerely.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 12 February 2017 00: 38
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      Battle tactics change with the development of new types of equipment for collecting information, as quickly and with what potential you can influence the course of the battle. without the participation of personal personnel in direct contact. Therefore, the use of small arms in clashes will mean that there are no types of weapons that are applicable without the participation of people. This means that the development trends of new military technologies have the form of so-called. hybrid or multifunctional depending on the goals and objectives and the potential of opposed forces. The same processes and methods come down to the use of special forces. Now, as before: "who develops faster and uses the capabilities of his achievements, he is ahead" That is, it is not enough to own scientific and technical potential. It must be mastered and managed to be applied and on this basis to develop again, etc. Otherwise, the weapon itself becomes obsolete and the human potential that controls them is lost, and most importantly, the TEMP of the development of new technologies and the weapon itself is lost. Many armies buying obsolete weapons put themselves in a position from which there is no way out, that is, they will always own weapons of regional influence balanced with the warring parties. At a time when the competition of leading players will pick them up and tear them away from the stragglers. Therefore, any innovative ideas, let alone sound ones, should be considered, not skipped. A “sieve” mechanism should be created that sifts and separates the ideas and then the developments themselves in terms of significance. Who does not understand this, he has already lost.
  15. Maz
    Maz 14 February 2017 16: 19
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    Bad sniper - eyes prevent aiming. And we had a guy from Siberia. I could not keep up. No matter how they fought, no way. But they came to the shooting range. He says I can shoot from a sniper, I am a hunter. Neighing people, can’t keep up, and then give him the SVD, but the hunter. The instructor is smart, he gave. And that sight asks to remove. All of them are sick. What are you talking crazy, this is optics, count fourfold! And he nevermind - prevents to shoot. Shaw, you think, with an open sight, I put everything on all lines, including a machine gun eight hundred meters from the first shot. then had fun on matchboxes. And here you are talking about models noiselessly. From God is a sniper. How many times helped out. In Afghanistan, a Dushman mine was blown up.
  16. garri-lin
    garri-lin 15 February 2017 19: 33
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    One could mention the Canary and Silence complexes. Although not sniper but also silent and also special.
  17. Sedoy
    Sedoy 17 February 2017 11: 00
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    Quote: Bayonet
    Capitalism is in the yard, and the methods of work and thinking are Soviet!


    well, so is the customer state ...
    we don’t have an arms market like in the usa ...
    if there was a market - there would be a reaction to it as in the west ...
  18. leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 23 June 2017 12: 57
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    I had a chance to work with the VSS and VSK-94, the VSS really liked it, acceptable accuracy, workmanship, etc., of the minuses, to clean the torment after the fire, especially the muffler. VSK is a little worse in accuracy and the workmanship is horrible! Rough welds, it takes more effort to erect, the magazine fastens the problem, the rotary bolt handle can just fall off, the cotter pin flies out. The muffler requires the same tightening torque, I scratched it so that I wouldn’t shoot again every time after removing the muffler, it rusts very quickly, especially a non-demountable muffler, etc. gladly changed it to BCC, by the way in the mountains and in the forest, even with a muffler, the distance should be 150-200 meters, you can already hear closer. in the forest, even in a clearing of such distances find. such weapons are good in a city where there is technological noise. or against the background of a battle, shoot important targets, snipers, machine gunners, grenade launchers. Regards.