Syria has become a testing ground for the latest developments of the Russian military-industrial complex

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Syria has become a testing ground for the latest developments of the Russian military-industrial complexThe domestic defense industry made a leap forward, primarily due to a large-scale program of rearmament and expansion of markets. But the role played by the war in Syria, in which some of the latest domestic developments have been tested. The Russian army will be able to boast of in the near future?

The state of science and high-tech industries in Russia traditionally correlated with the state of the military-industrial complex, in common parlance - “defense”. In the twentieth century, the lion's share of domestic promising developments was carried out in the interests of military and other security officials. On the one hand, it created the most powerful physics and technology, mathematical schools, supported not only applied, but also basic research. On the other hand, by the end of the 80s, a paradoxical situation had formed in the USSR: the country that created super-complex space and nuclear technologies was unable to provide its population with a sufficient number of normal televisions and washing machines. The subsequent experiments on the conversion and dismantling of defense research institutes and factories, the purchase of ready-made foreign technologies led to what they started: you must be able to do everything yourself, because there are sanctions and restrictions, and there is no free world market.



The Russian civilian sector of the high-tech industry has not yet risen to its feet, and in some places is more likely dead than alive. It is enough to look into any apartment and evaluate by whom and in which countries the electrical and electronic household appliances existing there are created. Experiments in the spirit of “turning swords to plowshares” showed that Russian radar creators as a whole could not learn how to do, for example, microwaves, but did not forget how to design radars, therefore, innovative products of the Russian military industrial complex continue to regularly get into the view of the international media and experts.
In this framework, the main background is the war in Syria, which is understandable. In addition to combating terrorist groups, it essentially plays the role of a giant testing ground for military developments, which, in general, is not hidden by the military leadership of the Russian Federation. Moreover, it is not just about testing the conditions of the desert, but also when interacting with the unfriendly technologies of “western partners”, directly or indirectly looking out from behind the backs of local bearded men.

The list of new or deeply modernized Russian developments highlighted in Syria is extensive - especially in part aviation and missile technology (taking into account the predominantly remote nature of the war). Firstly, it is military aviation: the latest Su-35S and Su-30SM fighters, Su-34 fighter-bombers, Su-30 multipurpose heavy fighters. Secondly, these are high-precision Kh-101 and Caliber missiles with their famous voyage from the Caspian Sea. However, if the creation of new aircraft and missiles is a traditionally strong area in the USSR and Russia, then, for example, combat Robots - this is a relatively new global trend that has not bypassed the Russian "defense industry", and the matter is not limited to a noisily promoted cyborg on an ATV.

In particular, in Syria (and before that - in Chechnya and Ingushetia) the “Uran-6” mine clearance robots were checked. This remote-controlled vehicle with a system of trawls is capable of destroying ammunition in the ground or initiating their demolition. In SAR, it was actively used by sappers in Palmyra - judging by the shots of explosions, the robot did not miss the lack of tasks. In mid-January, Lieutenant-General Yuri Stavitsky, the head of the engineering troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, reported on the following models being developed on the basis of Uranus following his field tests.

But if the robot-sapper is an officially recognized device for supporting operations, the picture with the use of robots for fire support in the Russian Armed Forces is still based primarily on rumors. Russian and Western sources report the use of Russian offensive systems of the Argo and Platform-M type. Such developments actually exist in the armed forces and are capable of both collecting information about the battlefield and destroying detected targets under the control of the operator. The blogosphere reported that there was at least one fact of a “high-tech” assault of a fortified area by Russian robots together with Syrian infantry, Russian artillery support under the control of the UAV and general coordination through the Andromeda-D battlefield control system.

A trend close to robotization is the appearance in the Russian army of a security system for objects made in the form of stationary and mobile combat platforms that are specialized, for example, for the Strategic Missile Forces. Armed with automatic grenade launchers and machine guns, they can move out of a protected shelter to fire at detected saboteurs or move with the same purpose on the ground. Thus, the post of "man with a gun" will be further strengthened by an electronic armed assistant.

We can not rejoice at the Crimean high-tech developers weapons, not sitting around after the reunification of the peninsula with Russia. So, in Sevastopol JSC "Scientific and Technical Center" Impulse-2 "created a universal remotely controlled autonomous combat module" Whirlwind ", which is tested on a robotic combat platform on the BMP-3 chassis and other carriers.

An important component of the above-described means of high-tech power operations is the use of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). In this regard, the previous year was rich in announced developments. Progress since drones in Russia is especially obvious when compared with the situation of the five-day war in South Ossetia, after which the Russian Federation urgently purchased ready-made models and their production lines from Israel against the backdrop of a clear failure in its own developments. Eight years later, the picture is somewhat reversed: Israel’s air defense reports an unsuccessful attempt to destroy in its sky someone (the IDF hints, whose) UAV that arrived from Syria - it survived the attack by two anti-aircraft missiles and an F-16 fighter-interceptor. Another promising example of the use of drones is an attempt to pair them with tanks: Developers from MAI and MSTU. Bauman created a device flying 20-30 meters above the tank, receiving energy from it by cable and transmitting information on board. So the crew gets an overview of the battlefield and can quickly detect targets.

In the best traditions of the fight of “shield and sword” in Russia, the evolution of electronic warfare systems (EW) continues. This also generally reflects the global trend towards the transfer of confrontation into the field of digital technologies, to interception of weapons control systems. It is worth noting at least two visited the complex in Syria.

The first of them - "Leer-3" - a hybrid technology of UAVs and electronic warfare. Mobile systems are mounted on the basis of the Orlan-10 drone and the automobile control center and began to work in the troops in 2015. In fact, they are able to imitate GSM base stations, suppressing and replacing cell towers, after which all calls and messages pass through completely controlled military equipment, becoming a valuable source of data for intelligence officers. In addition, subscribers in the Leer-3 coverage area receive SMS and audio messages, and in the near future they will also receive videos. So the Russian military in Aleppo sent messages to civilians about the location of the corridors for leaving the city and the zones for distributing humanitarian aid. Using a similar technology, the militants received samples of applications for a truce from the RF Armed Forces. Thus, the planes that scattered leaflets over enemy positions with a proposal to surrender received a high-tech competitor. According to experts, in the future drones will be able to create virtual mobile networks up to interception of traffic control and calls of users' smartphones.

The second system of electronic warfare, gained fame in Syria, was "Krasuha-4". It is designed to counter a wide range of enemy airborne strike and reconnaissance aircraft radars. It is argued that the system is capable of suppressing not only the radar, but also the radio control channels of the UAV, which makes the complex particularly relevant in modern digital high-tech warfare.

The evolution of Russian military technology is not only combat robots, interception of information flows and other realities of digital war. At the moment, there is an inconspicuous evolution in many areas, for example in such a specific industry as the fight against biological threats. In this area, there are no such bright artifacts, as the steel automatic monsters rushing across the desert with grenade launchers, but the scale of the danger of biological threats is much greater. It is not for nothing that so much worldwide attention is riveted on the outbreaks of epidemics, such as the Ebola or Zika viruses, about the contribution of Russian biologists to the fight against which the newspaper VIEW has already written.

Thus, following the results of fighting the anthrax outbreak on Yamal, the “Modular complex for analyzing pathogenic biological materials and decision-making support for operational groups of the Russian Ministry of Defense acting in biological emergency situations” (PBA ICA) - or simply “Sych” became known. In fact, it is a multifunctional autonomous biological laboratory on wheels, capable of advancing into the zone of biological emergency situations and quickly getting information about the pathogen. The key factor here is speed. Traditional methods of analyzing infections took from tens of hours to tens of days. Modern ones are based on PCR analysis, enzyme immunoassay and other rapid methods, which allow to obtain data practically in real time. In the developed complex all the necessary equipment is combined with the boxes of microbiological protection and is located on the chassis of typical KamAZ. Prior to the Yamal incident, the PBA ICA was on duty, for example, in the Olympiad-2014 area in Sochi. The RCBZ troops have similar new systems for radiation and chemical monitoring.

In fact, at the moment, the demonstration of returns on investments made in the Armed Forces and the Military Industrial Complex in the period after 2008 continues. Indisputable is not only the fact of the survival and preservation of the domestic intellectual and industrial potential after the hard times of 90's, but also its active evolution in recent years. Further trends can be judged by the results of the publication of research results of such large structures as the Advanced Research Foundation (similar to DARPA in the USA), but also by developments from smaller, but nontrivially thinking “intellectual front men” from experimental “scientific companies”. And since the drift of military developments into the civilian sector is not only a perceived necessity, but also a goal formulated by the head of state, I would like to hope that in the foreseeable future we will see not only sapper robots, but also, for example, original Russian domestic robots.
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  1. +15
    12 February 2017 06: 14
    Well, no one has repealed the law - war is the engine of progress. I'd add on my own - and good sales in the arms market
    1. +14
      12 February 2017 06: 38
      War tests weapons better than any landfill. The law has long been known.
      1. +16
        12 February 2017 07: 01
        I agree completely and completely. Here, perhaps, the sediment remained when two planes fell into the water ...
    2. +3
      12 February 2017 11: 39
      Good landfill! Then who will be responsible for the victims of Russian soldiers? As for the war, Russia is somehow not officially in it.
      1. +8
        12 February 2017 11: 50
        Quote: siberalt
        Good landfill! Then who will be responsible for the victims of Russian soldiers?

        - stop floundering already
        - about losses - even during exercises there has always been (and is) a "norm of permissible losses"

        Quote: siberalt
        as for the war, Russia is somehow not officially in it

        - and what?
        - Sibiralt, with something you are still unforgettable Tolmach-a remind ... also a rare force (pi .. censorship) was negative
      2. +7
        12 February 2017 13: 55
        Quote: siberalt
        Good landfill! Then who will be responsible for the victims of Russian soldiers? As for the war, Russia is somehow not officially in it.

        But it will save many lives of soldiers in the future, since in real combat conditions they revealed some of the shortcomings of our equipment and quickly corrected them if a real war happens (God forbid, of course) will help save many lives. Some schools of technology are only revealed in battle, no training grounds and exercises help
        1. +4
          13 February 2017 01: 13
          Quote: DM51
          But it will save many lives of soldiers in the future,

          By the way, military personnel die during ordinary exercises, but the “theme” is to stop the exercises forever! -Not worth it. The text of the oath reads: endure the hardships and deprivations of military service.
          1. +3
            13 February 2017 01: 16
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            The text of the oath reads: endure the hardships and deprivations of military service.

            So we transfer ... And what is the problem then?
            1. +2
              13 February 2017 09: 22
              Liberasty, sir! They want the army to be safer than in the ballet theater!
          2. +1
            13 February 2017 02: 28
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            The text of the oath reads: endure the hardships and deprivations of military service.


            No such oath.
            1. +1
              13 February 2017 09: 18
              No oath, then there is a charter! soldier
            2. +5
              14 February 2017 09: 32
              Quote: Parsec
              No such oath.
              Now there is no, but soldiers can ask Vit to ask the bourgeoisie - where did the "national property" go!

              “I, a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, joining the Armed Forces, take the oath and solemnly swear to be an honest, brave, disciplined, vigilant Warrior, steadfastly bear all the hardships and deprivations of military service, strictly keep military and state secrets, unquestioningly carry out all military charters and orders of commanders and chiefs.

              I swear to conscientiously study military affairs, to protect military and national property in every possible way and to be loyal to my People, my Soviet Homeland and the Soviet Government until the last breath.

              I am always ready, by order of the Soviet Government, to defend my Homeland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a warrior of the Armed Forces, I swear to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, not sparing my blood and life itself to achieve a complete victory over enemies .

              If I violate my solemn oath, then let me suffer the harsh punishment of Soviet law, the general hatred and contempt of the Soviet people. "
      3. 0
        12 February 2017 17: 49
        Quote: siberalt
        Good landfill! Then who will be responsible for the victims of Russian soldiers? As for the war, Russia is somehow not officially in it.


        No matter how cynical it sounds. but "in war, as in war", unfortunately. And to the answer, I think, who will need to be attracted.
      4. 0
        5 July 2017 19: 13
        The question is strange, it is appropriate for an erroneous diagnosis of a doctor, an accident with a school, bus, but not in the armed forces, where the charter and military doctrine, and not sentiment, apply.
  2. +13
    12 February 2017 06: 22
    At the beginning of the Syrian campaign, I argued with one colleague on the site. He argued that in this war it was necessary to use old ammunition in order to empty the warehouses. On the contrary, I checked the new thing. Time showed that we were both right.
    1. +4
      12 February 2017 07: 38
      Quote: 210ox
      At the beginning of the Syrian campaign, I argued with one colleague on the site. He argued that in this war it was necessary to use old ammunition in order to empty the warehouses. On the contrary, I checked the new thing. Time showed that we were both right.

      I would like to add more ("check new in business"):
      In Syria, near the city of Tartus, the Russian modern automated station of active interference (radio-electronic suppression) R-330Zh Resident accidentally hit the camera lens.

      The R-330Zh Resident station, developed and manufactured by the Voronezh Scientific-Implementation Enterprise PROTEK OJSC (part of EGO-Holding company), is designed to detect, direction-finding and radio suppress base stations of GSM 900 / 1800 standard cellular communication systems and 1900; detection, direction finding and radio suppression of wearable mobile stations of the Inmarsat and Iridium mobile satellite communication systems; radio suppression of navigation equipment of consumers of satellite communication systems NAVSTAR (GPS). Any of the above signals are jammed completely within a radius of 20-30 kilometers from the operating station.

      In this area, the communication of their stations is also jammed, so before turning on the suppression of radio signals, a conditional signal is transmitted that signals complete radio silence and the radio means are turned off. The Resident complex is mobile - after exposure to the enemy, stations must quickly change their position, because their radio signals can also detect. These are the rules of this difficult EW fight. The station can operate both in stand-alone mode and in a paired pair, both the master and the slave, under the guidance of the automated electronic warfare complex R-330KMK “Diabazol”.
      Source: http: //tehnowar.ru/57169-v-sirii-zameche
      na-noveyshaya-rossiyskaya-stanciya-rep-r-330zh-zh
      itel.html
      1. +2
        12 February 2017 12: 44
        Quote: LÄRZ
        under the guidance of the automated electronic warfare complex R-330KMK "Diabazol".

        And ours really have not lost their special talent laughing
  3. +1
    12 February 2017 06: 25
    Syria has become a testing ground for the latest developments of the Russian military-industrial complex

    There is no silver lining! (last)
    Russian radar makers as a whole were not able to learn how to make, for example, microwave ovens, but they did not forget how to design radars,

    you won’t get microwaved ...
    1. +15
      12 February 2017 09: 08
      Quote: aszzz888
      you won’t get microwaved ...

      In 2MB, England and the United States actively used radars, but household microwave ovens appeared very far from the end of the war. Although the microwave oven was patented shortly after the war, mass production of home microwave ovens began much later.
      The first mass-produced household microwave oven was launched by Sharp in 1962. Initially, the demand for a new product was low.
      In the USSR, from the beginning of the 80's, microwave ovens were produced in factories:
      ZIL (ZIL model) and Southern Machine-Building Plant (Mriya MV model)
      Tambov Plant "Electrical Appliance" (Model "Electronics");
      Dneprovsky machine-building plant named after Lenin (DMZ) produced "Dnepryanka-1" (1990, 32 liters, magnetron M-105-1, power consumption 1300 watts, microwave power 600 watts, weight 41 kg, price 350 rubles) [2] and "Dnepryanka -2 "[3].
      Statement of Soviet Priority [edit | edit wiki text]
      On May 17 of 2011 of the year, the Trud newspaper reported that in its issue of June 13 of 1941 of the year, the note described a special installation that used ultrahigh-frequency currents to process meat products and was developed in the magnetic wave laboratory of the All-Union Scientific Research Institute of the Meat Industry. [4 ]
      1. +2
        12 February 2017 09: 54
        Nikolaevich I


        For the epic in the microwave - good
        1. +1
          12 February 2017 10: 15
          Well what are you .... feel
        2. +1
          12 February 2017 11: 56
          What is an "epic"?
          Opus? or epic? :)
    2. +3
      12 February 2017 15: 36
      Quote: aszzz888
      you won’t get microwaved ...

      excellent logic - here you have a bucket and a shovel! And why do other countries have weapons and microwaves? Or is our people only worthy of pots and pans for dual use?
      Interestingly, how much time do you personally spend on military operations in Syria? And what is the time for household? Or maybe you get up from the couch and go to the kitchen and find out where your microwave is made? Definitely not the production of Yuzhmash and ZIL ... When you make your way to the kitchen from the sofa, do not step on a breakthrough military technology in your apartment))) Warrior ...
      1. -1
        12 February 2017 23: 28
        What to do? Tell me?
        Let's guess - you need to drive out crooks and thieves, and then all the Russians will have a lot of delicious food and any number of microwaves.
        1. +1
          12 February 2017 23: 58
          Quote: Mestny
          you need to drive away crooks and thieves, and then all the Russians will have a lot of delicious food and any number of microwaves ...

          - IMHO is unlikely No.
          - Banish all the crooks and thieves from your ZHEK (or whatever you have now instead of him), and then you will be left without light, heat and water. Just automatically
          - further turn on the imagination and imagine what will happen to the country in which all the “crooks and thieves” were dispersed (or transplanted) at a time
          - By the way, a doctor who takes a small surcharge for his services, he is also a "thief and a thief." This is so to make imagination easier Yes
          1. +2
            13 February 2017 00: 12
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            banish all the crooks and thieves from your ZHEK (or whatever you have now instead of him), and then you will be left without light, heat and water. Just automatically

            Right now, I’ll only wear a fur coat. laughing
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            By the way, a doctor who takes a small surcharge for his services, he is also a "thief and a thief." This is so to make imagination easier

            So my doctor refused to take the horse meat bubble. request
            1. 0
              13 February 2017 00: 28
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Right now, I’ll only wear a fur coat

              - the "fur coat" should glow, provide electricity and water (well, at least cold) quantum satis ... so that waste products are washed away, for example Yes

              Quote: Mordvin 3
              So my doctor refused to take the horse meat bubble

              - "non-drinking students are rare", but still they come across laughing
              - I have a doctor "in the teeth" in a paid clinic. He willingly takes cash in advance of the cash register. At the same time, it’s good for him (for obvious reasons), and for me ... because it’s 2-3 times cheaper than the standard price.
              - a doctor, no doubt a swindler. And I, by the way, it turns out, too feel

              Here's a funny picture gets what
              1. +2
                13 February 2017 00: 31
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - a doctor, no doubt a swindler. And I, by the way, it turns out, too

                Koneshna is a swindler, we have known this for a long time. laughing
            2. +1
              13 February 2017 09: 29
              Horsemeat Bubble? ... what Is it eating or drinking? request If you eat, what do you eat with? ... If you drink, then how to bite? winked
              1. +2
                13 February 2017 09: 36
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                Eat or drink

                It is a drink. And it was already in the 94 year, only vodka coupons were canceled. I myself got sick when the doctor refused. I had to drink it myself. sad
                1. +3
                  13 February 2017 09: 56
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  I had to pit myself

                  Here it is! If a friend suddenly refused .........!
                  1. +3
                    13 February 2017 10: 00
                    Quote: Nikolaevich I
                    Here it is!

                    But it affected me. Since then I have not given gifts to anyone. What time!
                    1. +1
                      13 February 2017 12: 30
                      Even a wife gifts, no, no? This is how you consciously complicated your life! "Back" does not pull? drinks
                      1. +3
                        13 February 2017 13: 18
                        Quote: Nikolaevich I
                        Even a wife gifts, no, no? This is how you consciously complicated your life! "Back" does not pull? drinks

                        In no case. Let her give me. wassat
          2. 0
            13 February 2017 01: 02
            That was the irony.
            To the question of imagination.
            Tired a bit of these songs about "change power."
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            2. +2
              13 February 2017 01: 16
              Quote: Mestny
              That was the irony

              - I understood laughing

              Quote: Mestny
              Tired a bit of these songs about "change power"

              - "a little" is not the right word ...
              - whereby these “songs” are performed extremely false and non-musical
              - since the constructors are stupidly incapable of offering a constructive thread request
  4. +1
    12 February 2017 06: 45
    After all, we can if we want! Further, I’ll go a little to the side: What prevents us from getting ahead in other areas as well? Only one thing disturbs - lack of desire. How long will we harness?
    1. 0
      12 February 2017 10: 16
      As far back as the 90 years, foreign organizations were in full swing organizing filling companies for their equipment in Russia. Now it’s time for Russia to do the same. However, this is happening with India.
  5. +1
    12 February 2017 06: 51
    Quote: DM51
    Well, no one has repealed the law - war is the engine of progress. I'd add on my own - and good sales in the arms market

    It was much more important for me to learn about the running in of the MTR of Russia there, and it was with the latest weapons that are now worth these gold and more expensive.
  6. +10
    12 February 2017 07: 09
    Microwaves just learned how to do it. There were excellent microwaves, reliable. But heavy, like tanks, and control - so-so. wassat
    But in fact, the article - the Syrian epic - is an important test of our modern systems, only weapons do not appear by magic. I believe that the country's leadership began to "invest" in the defense industry long before our days. I believe, even before the "Munich speech" of GDP.
    How did the GDP "twist" the oligarchs in time and return the cash flows to the country ... No matter what anyone says. And whatever corruption on the pages and screens flashed ...
    Such consolidated blows NO economy of a single country could stand it ... Look, in Brazil - they changed the president - even without the Maidan. In Argentina, they made an artificial "default" for the same purpose. Ukraine turned God knows what. But it doesn’t work with Russia. Late ...
    1. 0
      12 February 2017 13: 09
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Argentina made an artificial "default" for the same purpose.


      Argentina has been permanently in this state for years. ... twenty. hi
  7. 0
    12 February 2017 07: 17
    But it seems to me that they wrote about successes in biology and diagnostics not in vain, but equipment and reagents, for PCR and ELISA, mainly imported ...
  8. 0
    12 February 2017 08: 06
    The blogosphere reported that there was at least one fact of a “high-tech” assault on the fortified area by Russian robots together with the Syrian infantry, Russian artillery support under UAV control and overall coordination through the Andromeda-D battlefield control system.
    Yeah, then it was still added that these were our paratroopers. The blogosphere will not write such a thing, but where are clear docs to discuss it. They are not there, there are no captive instructors in Aleppo, and in fact, more recently, this "news" as soon as they didn’t relish. And there was this noise and silence, as if it weren’t.
    Undoubtedly, the experience we gain in Syria is invaluable, but some epithets and examples look far-fetched. That would be why the blogosphere should be avoided, but based on facts.
    It is gratifying that drones are widely used to identify the enemy and control their destruction. I think that if we had strike options, then it would be possible to solve more tasks on bearded ones, it would be very annoying.
    The work of our towed artillery is also noteworthy --- it is interesting through which channels they receive their goals.
    1. +2
      12 February 2017 09: 18
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      one fact of the “high-tech” assault on the fortified area by Russian robots together with the Syrian infantry, Russian artillery support under UAV control and overall coordination through the Andromeda-D battlefield control system.

      Well, yes, I remember this "fake"! And what is interesting! Upon careful consideration of this message, "absurdities" were noticeable; but all the same, this "news" spread on the Internet (and on some TV channels) as a "torrent of traffic!" It can be seen that someone really wanted to give out "wishful thinking" (!) ... so he "tried"!
  9. 0
    12 February 2017 09: 39
    Quote: 210ox
    At the beginning of the Syrian campaign, I argued with one colleague on the site. He argued that in this war it was necessary to use old ammunition in order to empty the warehouses. On the contrary, I checked the new thing. Time showed that we were both right.

    That's right. One does not cancel the other. If there is no need to use the WTO and enough conventional, "old" ammunition, they were used. Don’t say that, but the WTO is still quite expensive products
    And war as a training ground has always been. Vietnam, Afghanistan and dozens of other conflicts have shown the strengths and weaknesses of various types of weapons and concepts.

    Quote: aszzz888
    you won’t get microwaved ...

    Do not war. But here we have always been in the last place.
    1. 0
      12 February 2017 15: 46
      Quote: Old26
      Vietnam, Afghanistan and dozens of other conflicts have shown the strengths and weaknesses of various types of weapons and concepts.

      And what has Afghanistan shown and taught? Except as a simple truth, noticed by Alexander the Great, they saw nothing fundamentally new. Well, no army and no weapons can fulfill the tasks, fighting with the population. And Vietnam similarly showed the Americans. In general, I agree with you about other conflicts.
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: aszzz888
      you won’t get microwaved ...
      Do not war. But here we have always been in the last place.

      It's okay, we will heat it in a pan))) But it will also serve as a helmet and a capacity for cartridges in case of something.
      1. +3
        12 February 2017 22: 55
        And what has Afghanistan shown and taught?

        We are talking about weapons.
        According to the results of Afghanistan: appeared BMP-2, BTR-80, GP-25, etc.
        Well, no army and no weapons can fulfill the tasks, fighting with the population.

        Are you talking about this seriously? Or they forgot who created the Taliban, and who supplied the weapons, to whom and why?
  10. +4
    12 February 2017 09: 44
    Another promising example of the use of drones is an attempt to pair them with tanks: developers from MAI and MSTU im. Bauman created a device flying 20 – 30 meters above the tank, receiving energy from it via cable and transmitting information on board. So the crew gets an overview of the battlefield and can quickly detect targets.
    I’ve tried to promote a similar idea, probably, from the 80’s: I wrote to military magazines ... but there were “unsubscribes” (printed version: turn my finger around the temple) or generally “silent silence”. Actually, to be more precise, I “suggested” a drone helicopter instead of a self-propelled anti-tank missile turret, which was also “created” on the basis of the BMP, BTR-50. Subsequently, the idea came up to use unmanned mini-helicopters as carriers of electronic warfare: 1.for tanks for protection against anti-tank missiles with infrared and radar (millimeter range) homing heads; 2.for protection of air defense radars against anti-radar missiles with radio interference generators. already did not write anywhere, "matured"!
    1. +5
      12 February 2017 10: 17
      My condolences! I understand and know from my own experience how hard it is to receive unsubscribe ...
    2. 0
      16 February 2017 15: 10
      in Sportloto had to write. They would understand.
  11. +2
    12 February 2017 10: 08
    Quote: MPK105
    I agree completely and completely. Here, perhaps, the sediment remained when two planes fell into the water ...

    They did not fall - these were tests of the two-medium PAK-FA 7 generation. soldier
    1. +4
      12 February 2017 11: 41
      Well then I sleep peacefully, the exercises go wink
    2. +1
      12 February 2017 19: 07
      Quote: Serzh_R
      They did not fall - these were tests of the two-medium PAK-FA 7 generation.

      In my opinion, there is no reason to ridicule.
      1. 0
        15 February 2017 17: 14
        With jambs only like that.
  12. 0
    12 February 2017 11: 34
    We got tired of calling remote-controlled machines robots. Journalists really like the word.
  13. 0
    12 February 2017 14: 16
    I think robots for spot operations are more suitable what or to make a very large number of them, so that they would crush the mass, so to speak, and whether their use will be effective in the middle or half.
  14. +2
    12 February 2017 15: 28
    It is not true, in other branches we are also moving ahead of the pace. Here is a recent initiative of officials, for example - replacing cash with electronic money, this is a breakthrough in central bank technology! Solid pluses - the official doesn’t need to drag cash into the office now, but he doesn’t need to be afraid, just show him the transaction number and voila! Another plus is how to take the bailiffs cash from the population? And now voila - and your score is empty. And if there’s absolutely nothing to take the money for, two witnesses will confirm that you took the brushwood out of the state forest. A microwave? This insignificant thing they will buy home from behind a hill. And if you don’t have money for it, then you work badly ...
  15. +1
    12 February 2017 16: 25
    By the end of the 80s, a paradoxical situation had formed in the USSR: the country that created the highly sophisticated space and nuclear technologies was unable to provide its population with a sufficient number of normal TVs and washing machines

    This is due to the fact that not one of the developed technologies has been received by the "citizen". The tradition of secretly classifying everything that is necessary and not necessary ("just in case") is our great misfortune. So, according to some estimates, the Internet could well have formed not from the American APRANET, but by the Soviet ASBU with troops and weapons - its development was carried out a year or a half earlier, but ... What we really lagged behind was in microelectronics. Our chips with similar functionality weighed up to 2 times more and ate just as quickly.
  16. 0
    12 February 2017 18: 11
    "On the other hand, by the end of the 80s, a paradoxical situation had formed in the USSR: the country that created the highly sophisticated space and nuclear technologies was unable to provide its population with enough normal TVs and washing machines."
    But what, is it the main thing or something now in our bourgeois state has radically changed in this regard? Now, manufacturers of China, Malaysia, Taiwan, Indonesia, etc., provide a sufficient number of "normal" televisions and washing machines to our qualified consumers. Well, now there are a hundred varieties of sausages and a sea of ​​Turkish and Chinese clothes in stores. So this is an indicator of what, the intensive development of our economy or what? If something is developing less or less in our economy, it’s the raw material component (oil, gas, timber, etc. exported) and the military-industrial complex (our bourgeoisie were afraid that their Western partners would take everything from them and not take it into their elite slave-owning club). So it’s not necessary to say that under the USSR there was a kind of stagnation and one-sided development of the economy, and now, as development has run down straight, our zombie man is choking with delight.
  17. +1
    12 February 2017 18: 24
    Quote: lubesky
    And what has Afghanistan shown and taught? Except as a simple truth, noticed by Alexander the Great, they saw nothing fundamentally new. Well, no army and no weapons can fulfill the tasks, fighting with the population. And Vietnam similarly showed the Americans. In general, I agree with you about other conflicts.

    Sorry, did I write somewhere about victory in conflicts? I wrote only that, as a training ground, all these conflicts showed the strengths and weaknesses of ideas and concepts on the strengths and weaknesses of weapons.

    What did Vietnam show? And the fact that aviation has left mid-altitude in the MV and PMV. And this was the impetus for the development of not only MANPADS, but for short-range anti-aircraft missiles.
    Afghanistan? He showed that the tactics adopted before that by the armed forces of the USSR were not always suitable for Afghanistan. This is what came to mind, offhand.
    The same is true in the Middle East. Anti-ship missiles first showed themselves there. Well, etc.

    Quote: lubesky
    It's okay, we’ll heat it in the pan))) But it will also serve as a helmet and a capacity for cartridges in which case

    Yes stop it. So you can say that you can cook at the stake ... In the USSR, as I wrote, the "change house" was always in last place. Despite the fact that all electronics was made at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, alas ...

    Quote: trantor
    This is due to the fact that not one of the developed technologies has been received by the "citizen". The tradition of secretly classifying everything that is necessary and not necessary ("just in case") is our great misfortune. So, according to some estimates, the Internet could well have formed not from the American APRANET, but by the Soviet ASBU with troops and weapons - its development was carried out a year or a half earlier, but ... What we really lagged behind was in microelectronics. Our chips with similar functionality weighed up to 2 times more and ate just as quickly.

    Development may have been before. But .... In order to have such a network, not only for the military, but also for civilians, two things were needed.
    1. Access to information (and we kept everything that is possible and that is impossible)
    2. The availability of computers. And what kind of computers could be talked about when even typewriters were under control, and at enterprises on holidays they were generally placed in cabinets that were closed and sealed ...
  18. 0
    12 February 2017 21: 59
    Yes it is - and whatever they say, but in reality everything is more serious ...
  19. 0
    13 February 2017 12: 51
    God forbid! In the early 2000s, I saw this "new" military equipment. We exchanged our receivers and tape recorders for import, at the stations, and weaved in MO at frantic prices, under the guise of new developments.
  20. +2
    14 February 2017 04: 29
    Mordvin 3,
    It’s necessary to be able to build a wife like that! I respect you! I don’t succeed! recourse
  21. +3
    16 February 2017 12: 31
    Nevertheless, EFFECTIVE TACTICS (weapons) against counterattacks using jihad vehicles neither Syrians nor Iraqis have ?! Alas, we’ve been fighting in Syria for a year and a half, but can’t we offer anything (counterattack) against jihadists? That's why there are "punctures" with the fall of Palmyra, the deblockade of Mosul and other "tactical failures"? And by and large, are the Ishilov’s counterattacks not so great forces (the tactical group consists of 100-200 people + 1-2 tanks or infantry fighting vehicles, several armored cars with cannons of the “cart”) and “drove our city men”? And is it on a theater the size of the Chelyabinsk region or Chechnya? That is, 15 minutes of summer for SA or an hour for a helicopter? Honestly, I do not understand our General Staff - apparently, "writing the Constitution for Syria" corresponds to the philological and fire education of our strategists - generals?
  22. 0
    20 February 2017 07: 20
    Quote: DM51
    Well, no one has repealed the law - war is the engine of progress. I'd add on my own - and good sales in the arms market

    ... the main engine of progress is human Laziness ...- pressed the button and the washing machine itself “plows”, pressed the button and the “box” the whole world will show ......
  23. +3
    April 24 2017 19: 25
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    - stop floundering already
    - about losses - even during exercises there has always been (and is) a "norm of permissible losses"

    During World War II, the Americans liberated one of their islands from the Aleutian Range from the Japanese.
    Everything is as it should be - conducted artillery training from cruisers and landed troops.
    The island was successfully taken. Losses amounted to about 50 people dead. Fine?
    Only one nuance - at the beginning of this remarkable operation there was None of the Japanese on the island (the entire garrison was evacuated in advance).
  24. 0
    6 June 2017 17: 30
    All this is impressive, but where are the results, the United States has been sitting in fortified areas in Afghanistan for 10 years and the brave marines can’t even pry their nose out, the Taliban and Al Qaeda, as they were combat-ready and remain to this day, ISIS for 10 years terrorizing the Middle East, and Europe, too, but apart from Kalash and the machine-gun PICK-UP, as well as self-made mortars, there is nothing that does not fit here.
  25. 0
    4 December 2017 09: 21
    Maybe someone noticed that our VKS can bomb the enemy regardless of cloud cover, flying above the clouds and hitting exactly the target, incl. conversations that in bad weather there is no one to bomb - remained in the last century.

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