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Duma Committee Approved Non Contracting Service

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The State Duma Committee on Defense recommended deputies to adopt in the first reading a government bill that allows serving under contract to men who are not in reserve and have a secondary vocational education, reports RIA News.

Duma Committee Approved Non Contracting Service


At present, only male citizens who are not in the reserve and have a higher education can enter into a contract with the Ministry of Defense without undergoing military service by conscription.

The idea being implemented by the bill is to provide male citizens who are not in the reserve, with secondary vocational education, the right to enter into contracts for military service in military positions of private and non-commissioned officers,
reads the explanatory note to the document.

It is also reported that the bill "provides the right to conscripts to enter military service under the contract before the expiration of the three-month period."

According to the authors, the adoption of the law “will make it possible to recruit the most demanded military technical posts, to increase the effectiveness of the operation of armaments and military equipment, and also to create an additional source of replenishment of the mobilization human reserve by trained specialists.”
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  1. Finches
    Finches 10 February 2017 13: 18
    +8
    The staff is literate and healthy physically, with appropriate moral and psychological stability, is sorely lacking ... A la, hello from the 90s!
    1. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 10 February 2017 13: 39
      +1
      Where does this data come from? Personal research?
      1. Finches
        Finches 10 February 2017 13: 43
        +9
        Unfortunately yes! VVK and professionally - psychological selection shows not the best numbers ... Without details! hi

        I don’t stigmatize a generation, there are a lot of very good guys, but the numbers show depressing results compared to the year 90-94 of the draft (that is, those born in the USSR in the late 70s) ... starting from the birth years of the beginning of the 90s rapidly rolling down a number of indicators. Girls, more or less, boys, are a very big problem. The situation is only just beginning to level off, but this applies to children born after the year 2000! hi
        1. commbatant
          commbatant 11 February 2017 20: 06
          0
          Quote: Finches

          8
          Zyablitsov Yesterday, 13:43 ↑

          I do not stigmatize a generation, there are a lot of very good guys, but the numbers show depressing results compared to the year 90-94 of the draft (that is, those born in the USSR in the late 70s) ..


          I was taken from the 76th born on 28.12.1994/95/19.12.1994 (I was not allowed to finish college with all in April 20th, I defended my diploma ahead of schedule on 0,5/XNUMX/XNUMX to get a crust with the same from other groups), they took me away with a lack of weight (they wouldn’t have taken it now), for two years XNUMX kg. dialed (thanks to those ur ... m, who extended the service by XNUMX years, would have scored less) ....
    2. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 10 February 2017 13: 50
      +1
      Here you hit me for a living. I’m not a military policeman, now retired ... But when the “children of the 90s” came to serve us, I was surprised by their honesty and determination ... I think the situation is similar in the Army ...
      1. Finches
        Finches 10 February 2017 13: 52
        +4
        I’m talking about absolute indicators, not human ones - health, poor, professional selection indicators are extremely low, but a person himself looks and behaves honestly and decisively sometimes, before border situations arise! Even somehow I had to lower the criteria to complete the aircraft all the same, more or less ...
        1. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 10 February 2017 14: 05
          +1
          Have you personally seen how a person behaves in borderline situations?
          1. Finches
            Finches 10 February 2017 14: 32
            +4
            It would be nice to know what a borderline situation is for a man ... But I’ve been in the army for a quarter of a century, from military service, private, to commanding a separate military unit and professional selection data almost always objectively showed the young man’s predisposition to the possibility of performing one or another task.
      2. potterz
        potterz 10 February 2017 14: 17
        0
        Honesty !?
        Quote: Prapor-527
        Here you hit me for a living. I’m not a military policeman, now retired ... But when the “children of the 90s” came to serve us, I was surprised by their honesty and determination ... I think the situation is similar in the Army ...
  2. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 10 February 2017 13: 23
    +2
    Quote: Finches
    .A la, hello from the 90s!

    A la 90s ...
  3. rov81
    rov81 10 February 2017 13: 29
    +1
    But this is a very good idea !!!
  4. basmach
    basmach 10 February 2017 13: 34
    +3
    And 90. Do not go under the contract and not to call the flies with cutlets do not confuse. These are the fruits of many here beloved democracy and freedom. The result of the education of the last 25 years. The modern mentality of youth does not imply patriotism (for the most part) and the result of literacy education reforms is less and less workable and without an army. In general, it’s one of the results of the reign of the GDP and DAM, so don’t cry out for portraits in the red corner and pray, maybe it will work out
    1. L10n77
      L10n77 10 February 2017 13: 43
      +3
      And the most interesting thing is that even those who came earlier are now fleeing the army, due to the mess and arbitrariness of the commanders (to serve gladly, to serve sickly), now there is a repetition of the situation of the 90s, only then the people served "for the idea", and now idea not to lure.
    2. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 10 February 2017 13: 51
      +2
      And what kind of patriotism should your youth have?
      Regarding the fact that they do not go to contracting. For some reason I thought that they really go there! Take an interest in what competition in military high schools.
      Regarding the lack of literacy among young people, you may need to change your social circle. They are literate, but unlike us, literacy is different. And what does the word literate mean?
      I like our youth, most of them are adequate people, and I envy them for the good. They have more opportunities to realize themselves.
      1. Hydrograph
        Hydrograph 10 February 2017 14: 23
        +5
        They go to contractors because there is no work with a work book, at least in Primorye in the villages, and there are many parts, but I want to eat.
      2. basmach
        basmach 10 February 2017 18: 26
        +2
        to you on the literacy of youth an example. My friend, also over forty, told a week ago. He sends here such a newly-made engineer to sort out the motor on the ventilation unit. He gave a locksmith to help. This "engineer" during assembly on threaded connections did not put any washers or growers. To the question, does he know why they are needed - AHP. Krnkurs in VU- so how many are left. Only in the Air Force were there more (engineering) more than 10. And now. How many people are recruiting. In 86, when I entered the Tambov WWAIU, the competition was 2,5 in place. At the same time, the reception is 200 people. on 1-th f = t, 120 on 2-th, 250 on 3-th total of 570 people, a little less than 500 were released.
        There are literate ones — only in the army — for a contract for 25 thousand — they don’t want to, they get more even without army romance, sitting at home on their ass.
    3. Finches
      Finches 10 February 2017 13: 57
      +6
      basmach

      So you do not confuse God's gift with an egg - if you have something to say conclusively - speak! And if a set of phrases - cliches that Putin has put in, then this is not interesting! hi

      With the advent of GDP, everything has changed very much for the Armed Forces and the country as a whole - only in the positive direction - and you do not need to convince me that I am Putinoid, I know this without you ... laughing
      1. basmach
        basmach 10 February 2017 18: 32
        +2
        I’ve asked the same question for 2 of the year — cite specific areas in the country where it has become better — industry, agriculture (I recall that the current crop does not reach the records of the RSFSR in 126 million tons of grain — which amounted to 902 kg per person , now -860, and about 10 million tons from the current crop has disappeared), medicine, education, space, science. But people like you have no facts, just verbiage. “I’m talking about absolute indicators, not human ones - health, poor, occupational selection indicators are extremely low, but a person himself looks and behaves honestly and decisively sometimes, before border situations arise! Even somehow you had to lower the criteria to complete the aircraft , more or less ... "Your phrase means things are far from good. What really contradict himself.
        1. Finches
          Finches 10 February 2017 19: 29
          +2
          It has become much better compared to the period 1991-2000, but in the economy and other areas, as for physical health, the generation born in the 90s due to the destruction of medicine, culture, moral degradation, and rampant crime , drugs, alcoholism ..., undermined the general health of the nation, which affected the quality of young people ... Do you understand !? Now, until 2018, we are also moving in a demographic pit ... If you live worse than in the late 90s, then I sympathize with you - I live better! I went through all the hardships of the 90s being in the army and I do not want to return back! hi
          1. basmach
            basmach 10 February 2017 19: 34
            0
            Enough verbiage. I asked a specific question - WHAT IS EXACTLY AND IN WHICH SPHERES, Vakty, please go to the studio. GDP style answers not needed
            1. Finches
              Finches 10 February 2017 19: 36
              +2
              I do not intend to give you any answers! So take it easy on the bends, buddy! Elementary, I answered you - that I live much better than in the 90s - is this not a concrete answer based on a personal example?
              1. basmach
                basmach 10 February 2017 19: 57
                0
                I am very sorry for the students you are teaching. About people like you say-balabol (I will not be too rude to express). No wonder they say-who knows how to do something, he does, who does not know how to do-teaches. This is your phrase "It has become much better compared to the 1991-2000 year, but this is in the economy and other areas." I here and in PM asked you to answer, where and in what, specifically. My next example, a week ago, talked with a man from the Federal Reserve (I hope you know what it is) They have specific food. After being exported to the Donbass, almost everything is empty. Still. The chief is forced to check out several chambers into one stew so that the Moscow commission can show at least one filled storage (a direct violation of the technology). There is no domestic equipment to replace the failed one, only import. I can still have a bunch of examples, but I don’t see the point. it's like throwing beads. You have nothing to say .. Your personal example is not an indicator, there are still 140 million in the country (by the way this is less than in the RSFSR). Abramovich, Chubais, Rotenberg and others like them began to live better, and the people. And I always said it is necessary to compare with the best (smart people do this), so that from this we can go to new achievements, and not shit with shit. And tomorrow, when there is no money in the budget, remember 90. By the way, military pensioners here recently published a large appeal regarding pensions. See what awaits you. Everything in the world is transient, and so is the service. And yet, no familiarities. I didn’t drink with you at the Brudershaft, I didn’t sit in one trench, so I’m not your comrade (as in the letter) or my friend.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 10 February 2017 20: 13
                  +2
                  And they noticed that you always go down to rudeness - is that an indicator that you are something? Yes, times are not easy, but it is precisely because of whiners like you, forgive generously, not everything turns out as it should! Walk and whine, whine, whine .... I have seen enough how they were fired in packs from the army in the 90s - they didn’t pay half a year, they couldn’t stand it ... overcome...! And the eternal search for the guilty in their troubles - Putin, Rotenberg and anyone else, but not himself! What did you do to make it better? I teach young people what I know myself and what programs require, I teach to love my country, as I understand it ... - bad, good, it's not for me to judge! And if I start to whine that I’m paid little, that I, the senior officer, are still not provided with housing ... and ceasing to do my job, and start going to meetings and writing letters, I’m besides myself respect will cease, but also children will be abandoned! You will not come to my place? You have no time, you are fighting for social justice!
                  1. basmach
                    basmach 10 February 2017 20: 36
                    0
                    And in what, let me ask, my rudeness is expressed. The fact that I asked (and more than once) a specific question, but you do not have a specific answer., All the arguments around. Yes, I quit at 97, after 7 years of service in the Far East (and drank no less than yours, or maybe more, but I didn’t get cold, but I managed to get a living, and the refrigerator was full, and I bought a car at 95, and all household appliances at home were new, and in part were not interested in when the money was given)., captain. I quit because I would be glad to serve, to be sick nauseously. I was fired for 7 months, documents were returned from Moscow (with the question of why the officer was fired without penalty, retrained and passed the tolerances perfectly (I had the 1 form of secrecy, if that tells you something), they dismiss me by inconsistency, but he does not agree. ) He quit because the commander (nickname "master") was crushed by a toad for my trip to Syria at 959, he didn’t want to let him go, but I left) They didn’t even give me the primary engineering post after retraining, I’ve got a cross in my career and you’re also serving here or quit. I chose the second. So it’s not worth reproaching me, certainly not for you. Yes, and in civilian life I was not lost. Now I work as an ACS engineer. So it’s not necessary to complain about whining, but about the struggle for social justice. Well, yes, we will fight for it, and after we achieve it, people like you will use it, praising the new government and cursing the old. And you will use it to the fullest, without making any efforts, for free, and even in the first rows you will climb.
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 10 February 2017 20: 55
                      +1
                      "Balabol", hints about my low competence, the last sentence about the front ranks - this is just from the category of rudeness! Do not find? The fate of everyone has their own - "everyone chooses for himself: a woman, religion, road." So I can only wish you success on the revolutionary path, but if your actions are contrary to the interests of the country and its citizens, you really will not blame me ... hi
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 10 February 2017 21: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: Finches
                        but if your actions are contrary to the interests of the country and its citizens, you do not blame me ...

                        I’m sorry that I’ll fit in, but the interests of the country are voiced by the top who understand little in the interests of the people.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 10 February 2017 19: 40
            +2
            Quote: Finches
            .If you live worse than at the end of the 90's, then I sympathize with you - I live better! I went through all the hardships of 90's being in the army and I do not want to return back!

            And here I want in the USSR. I will say directly: I live worse than in 90, and much worse than in the Union.
            1. Finches
              Finches 10 February 2017 19: 45
              +1
              The USSR has nothing to do with it at all - it was a different country and a different system! I wouldn’t refuse to exchange it for a socialist model, taking into account the shortcomings that were identified in the late USSR, but today, this is all from the realm of utopia! hi
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 10 February 2017 19: 57
                +2
                Quote: Finches
                it's all from the realm of utopia!

                Unfortunately, you are probably right. But really want to make a mistake.
  5. Hydrograph
    Hydrograph 10 February 2017 14: 19
    +3
    By appeal, from the first days they’re falsifying the contract, they promise mountains of gold, they don’t look at education for 3 months. Son in the fall from the army came firsthand so to speak. At the expense of health, he says which ones just aren't there, horror.
  6. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 10 February 2017 14: 38
    +2
    Quote: Finches
    The staff is literate and healthy physically, with appropriate moral and psychological stability, is sorely lacking ... A la, hello from the 90s!

    Yes, it seems that people are simply not enough at all? With the advent of new threats, the grouping of troops is increasing. We do not want to increase the term of urgent service. The equipment is becoming more and more difficult, In addition, the quality of higher education is falling. It looks like they found a way out. Not bad !!!
  7. Sheridan
    Sheridan 10 February 2017 18: 54
    +2
    This is a piece of beef, not a contractor. First reinforced KMB, then a training center, then "survival courses", and only then to the unit?
    1. MPK105
      MPK105 11 February 2017 16: 26
      +4
      Exactly. And who writes every ... n-traitor. Like Zyablitsov and Co.
  8. Finches
    Finches 10 February 2017 21: 08
    +2
    Mordvin 3,
    Why only the top, here is the comrade basmach, believes that he expresses the interests of the people ... Navalny believes that he is the ultimate truth ... laughing So this is a moot point! hi
    1. basmach
      basmach 10 February 2017 21: 36
      0
      I repeat once again, the comrades were in "SS" It’s not worth the Russian officer to put it this way (it leads to very serious thoughts about you). And once again I repeat to you not a comrade !. Not the first time I catch you on this, so rudeness is on your part. Regarding incompetence, a competent and knowledgeable person (if he claims something) can always give arguments and facts as arguments of his statements. You do not have this (see correspondence above), from here I draw a conclusion about your incompetence. Regarding the front ranks, I have lived (and served) for more than one day in this world, and people like you have seen enough (including in the service). It’s pretty clear to me what you are. Therefore, I can safely say that you will never go to any barricades (for power or against), but you will nervously smoke aside and wait for what will end in order to join the winner. So I beg you, leave this pathos "but if your actions are contrary to the interests of the country and its citizens, you really will not blame me ..." for someone else. And again, a contradiction. So you, it turns out, think that it is you who express the interests of the people, since you are so famously warning me on his behalf. By the way, denying me the right to do the same thing-Express on his behalf. And you then where such a right.
      1. Finches
        Finches 10 February 2017 22: 25
        +2
        You see, you probably didn’t read “Dead Souls” or you read inattentively, otherwise you would know that comrade an outdated appeal is a companion, a friend taking roots from Spanish is a fellow practitioner ... but most often in Russia, an appeal is applied to a foreigner. The word is quite common here in VO, like internal slang, and has nothing to do with SS, it’s from another opera there ... However, I’m not talking about this, I’m very glad that you are so insightful and well-versed in people, and never not seeing them and not knowing! They are so "fundamental" in what I strongly doubt, in defending my interests ... Here, I do not affirm and will not judge you, because I greatly concede to you insight! I was not going to barricades, and I never smoked ... Your opinion, I respect, although I absolutely do not support it! Just, let me give you advice, you will learn how to respect someone else’s opinion or at least hear ... As for the opinion of the people, let's simplify it to the form, although I think I’ll run into your accusation of stupidity, but I’ll try, you love the facts: the pro-presidential party "United Russia" won the election to the State Duma - is it a fact? I myself have not been going to the polls since '96, but if I had gone, I would have voted exclusively for United Russia. Most of my friends, comrades, family members, colleagues ..., voted for United Russia - in the upcoming presidential elections, if the GDP stands for election, they will also vote for him ... Who will go to the barricades? You go to the barricades, dear, only on the Internet ... That is the question! hi
        1. basmach
          basmach 10 February 2017 23: 10
          +2
          Unlike you, I not only go to the polls, but also participate in the commissions, so again, you are trying to prove something to me, not knowing the essence of the issue. For example, EP has changed the principles of the electoral system. Earlier, the elections to the State Duma were completely in batches. The votes of parties that did not pass in the State Duma were proportionally given to the parties that passed (By the way, in the current elections on party lists, the EP gained a little more than 50%). Then the EP dragged the amendment (about 2-x years ago) - the votes of all non-passing parties are given to the party with the highest percentage. Before the elections to the State Duma last year, a new amendment was dragged - half on party lists, half on single-mandate candidates. So anyone will win. This is the time. Regarding agitation, only EP. Us, the Communist Party. they simply didn’t give advertising spots for their campaigning (advertisers depend on the city authorities, try to disobey). There were cases of appointment of fake meetings of the candidate with voters (I personally saw such announcements). There was a phony newspaper (without data on a printing house, etc., highlighted also personally), made with the symbols of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, in style, but with one very small article because of the closure of the city-forming enterprise, allegedly in the fight for the environment. Before the election, the Communists of Russia party appeared from nowhere with similar symbols. There was even another Communist Party-Cossack party of the Russian Federation. This is just a small list, there was much more. At that level of brainwashing on TV, etc., there’s nothing to be surprised at (by the way, as budget employees make me vote, I also know, up to the report in the form of a photo with a tick, there are good friends, from their very words). But it’s interesting (I periodically meet and communicate in the city committee). those who voted for EP (they come to us and say, Well, you Communists are not doing anything for the people. And when you say, well, you don’t go to those for whom you voted in EP, the answer for the first time even amused me. We’re there were and were sent to us, so we came to you .. And from the last, a family came who dramatically increased the land tax (the cadastral value suddenly increased, he paid 2 times as much as in the previous year). a former mine, reclaimed, on the outskirts, but costs more than in the "valley of the poor". Like. By the way, here in Hebrew Yai AO introduced a tax on snow and rain (I’m not joking, a tax on eliminating the consequences of heavy snowfalls and rains) will be introduced into the air so soon. And you continue to vote. And about the barricades, well, if things go on like that, and raise nobody it’s not necessary, the people themselves are already starting to cobble, and without our help they will go (again, housing taxes are being introduced with might and main, and not small) So you still have everything ahead, the demobilization is inevitable, I don’t want to slurp at the most. By the way, which of your colleagues will admit that he did not vote for United Russia, ask the army forward civilian life. Fools are dumb, and even principled and even more so. And in order to form an opinion about you, I just read your comments and messages, a lot of contradictions. Psychology in the school had to be carefully studied.
          1. Finches
            Finches 10 February 2017 23: 13
            +2
            Too many letters ..., ordinary letters, like, for example, a similar fighter for justice, Navalny or his sidekick Misha 2% - Putin has ruined everything, you need to urgently go to Bolotn ... barricades ... laughing

            I said that you will definitely call me stupid and contradictory - as you can see, I was right! At the expense of psychology, you are right - there is never too much knowledge .... Nevertheless, I am pleased to have such a deep admirer of my posts! hi

            Yes, like all of us, I will be retired - and I will tell you more - we will all die both right and left, pink and black-bored! What is there to cry ...
            1. basmach
              basmach 11 February 2017 00: 07
              +2
              Of course, there are many letters, but to read the meaning of the written to understand, this is useless. Well, I will again tell you the facts, and you tell me about Navalny. He has something to do with it. I have repeatedly written that I am in the Communist Party.
              And then, I did not call you stupid. No need to juggle. I called INCOMPATENT. These are different things.
              About the barricades. I already wrote in a personal letter to you that over the 2016 year the number of strikes (not protests under the auspices of the Communist Party, do not confuse) has doubled, to one and a half thousand (this is official data). The hunger strike of miners in the Rostov Region, the strike of dockers in Vladivostok, the march of Kuban farmers, long-range truckloads .. Or I’ll get all the transfers out of the PM here. This is from a good life or miners-followers of Navalny. We do not need to bring anyone out, the government itself (like 100 years ago) will do everything for this, it remains only to pick it up, abandoned.
              And about everything we die. Well, I’ll answer the classic- Life must be lived in such a way that it would not be excruciatingly painful for years spent aimlessly.
              Well, lastly. Again, a large number of letters in the form of facts and figures you have nothing to answer. Continuous blah blah. Sorry.
              1. Finches
                Finches 11 February 2017 00: 29
                +2
                So you didn’t show any particular figures, and then, why did you decide that your numbers are not an element of propaganda ... Therefore, I don’t show off the numbers taken, God knows where - I write real things to you by my own example ... But since you insist, I will take the help and advise you on the work of Jon Hellevig of the Awara Group company, which issued a review of the economic results of Putin’s 14 years of work, in the form of a study on 65 pages. The study is written in a completely literary language, generously seasoned with diagrams, read easily and without stress, does not require special knowledge.
                This review represents the myths of the liberals that you know and invented by your Communist Party, only with great emphasis on the economy. I highly recommend that you read it: http://www.awaragroup.com/upload/Awara-Study-Russ
                ian-Economy-Rus.pdf

                The purpose of this study is to refute constantly repeated allegations that Russia allegedly did not diversify and modernize its economy.
                Quite the contrary, under Putin’s leadership, the Russian state is directing all of its free resources to this task. And the first results of these efforts are very impressive. Currently, a number of projects of strategic importance are being implemented in this direction. Naturally, we are not talking about the fact that the Russian economy is in perfect condition, it is far from this, but the Supreme is a man of business, and your Zyuganov, an ordinary clown, expelled the sensible ideas of communism to the ground! hi
                1. basmach
                  basmach 11 February 2017 03: 15
                  +1
                  “Quite the contrary, under Putin’s leadership, the Russian state is directing all of its free resources to this task.” Yes, yes. Look at how much money was allocated in the budget to support the industry in 16 and 17, then look there, how much to support the banks. How much money (free, according to the budget rule) was spent in capsules in the form of a stabilization fund and welfare fund and in Amer’s treasuries, compare. Then we will discuss not the study of a foreigner, but realities. I refer you to the main financial law of the country-budget, and not to the propaganda of the Communist Party. And about the modernization, you know better, you and I do not work in production. And at home I have enough acquaintances in the workplace. By the way, projects in the studio. And about the projects, very good friends in the administration work at home, this year they allocated as much money for road work as a year, how much 4 a year ago for a quarter. A neighboring city with a budget of 1.2 mln per 800 million depends on donations from the federal center, since there is nothing to collect from local enterprises, there are practically none, even the previous owner went bankrupt even the bakery. Yes, and the average salary in the city of 25-26 thousand (this is considered good). In general, the successes are impressive. By the way, according to the same official data (Golodets voiced) in the country about 20 million - below the poverty line. We are going the right way. The question is where.
                  1. basmach
                    basmach 11 February 2017 03: 19
                    +2
                    and about the clown. Do not slip into rudeness, otherwise you reproach me, and you yourself, as in the gospel, “do not see logs in your eye, but notice a speck in your brother’s eye”
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 11 February 2017 10: 12
                      +1
                      Good morning! And here I am consistent in assessing the activities of Comrade Zyuganov, if you really read my posts - his activities in this post are populist and nothing more! He has no concrete, responsible program, and every second knows how to speak with slogans ... He somehow resembles Yeltsin, even! Zhirinovsky evokes more respect ... The Communist Party would have to think about a specific rebranding of the party, otherwise in speed it will lose the entire more or less thinking electorate! Only marginals will remain ... And you need to start, especially at the top of the party, by re-reading the works of Marx - Lenin, so that you can figure out to yourselves what the communist idea is in pure theory - they will be able to discover a lot of new and informative for themselves! Here, as a retreat, I note that, a week ago, he began to read with interest Vladimir Ilyich, his "Development of Capitalism in Russia" ..., a lot has something in common with modernity, I must say! hi
                  2. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 11 February 2017 10: 23
                    +2
                    Quote: basmach
                    Yes, and the average salary in the city of 25-26 thousand (this is considered good). In general, the successes are impressive. By the way, according to the same official data (Golodets voiced) in the country about 20 million - below the poverty line. We are going the right way. The question is where.

                    And here I get 15-20 sp. There is no heating. Where are we going then?
    2. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex 10 February 2017 22: 59
      +2
      I don’t know how anyone, but to me personally, such basmachey sincerely sorry. Everything in them is always bad in life. Well, for them, it never happens. What is it "good"there even"so-so"never before and never will be. request
      1. basmach
        basmach 11 February 2017 00: 13
        +2
        And that is what pity me. Everything is normal in my life. There is work, friends, interests. Well, I was born and brought up under the Soviet regime, and received education there, I will not be lost in any conditions. And the service has accustomed to everything. We are talking about the country. And in her, apparently, is a bit of a nonsense.
        1. sdc_alex
          sdc_alex 11 February 2017 14: 57
          +1
          Well then: