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Gazprom: our business to offer

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The Russian Federation demanded guarantees from the European Union for the construction of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline.




Recall that the “Turkish Stream” will connect the Black Sea coast of Russia with Turkey. The gas pipeline project includes two lines, the first of which is intended for gas supplies directly to the Turkish market, and the second will stretch through its territory to the Balkans and further to other European countries. Negotiations for the construction of Flow started in the first half of 2015, and on February 1 of 2017, the Federation Council ratified the agreement between the governments of Russia and Turkey.

According to the director of the fourth European department of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Alexander Botsan-Kharchenko, Moscow expects that a high-level cooperation council meeting will be held in the near future, headed by the presidents of Russia and Turkey, Vladimir Putin and Reyd Tayyip Erdogan, where the topic of energy will be raised. In 2015, the meeting was canceled due to the crisis in Russian-Turkish relations. “There is an agreement in principle to restore the work of the top level cooperation council. I hope that the restoration will take place soon, and in the near future there will be a summit meeting within the framework of the SWOT, ”said Mr Botsan-Kharchenko.

At the moment, two Russian gas pipelines are being built to transport blue fuel to the European Union countries: the Turkish Stream and the Nord Stream - 2. Both projects have repeatedly provoked criticism of European countries that fear that the expansion of Gazprom’s highways will disrupt the energy balance in the Old World.

Nevertheless, it must be admitted that both gas pipelines are necessary for the European Union. Already, Russia had to exceed the planned capacity of the Nord Stream in order to warm its western neighbors in winter. Considering, on the one hand, the Kremlin’s possible plans to refuse gas transit through the territory of Ukraine in 2019 and, on the other hand, Poland’s threat to refuse to extend the contract to provide its pipes to Gazprom, Europe may soon face an acute shortage of energy .

However, so far the European Union has not heard a clear approval of the “Turkish Stream”. "No one will build blindly, because it is associated with certain losses," Alexander Botsan-Kharchenko expressed the position of Moscow. And his fears are well founded: in the 2014 year, the South Stream project was closed, when Bulgaria refused to cooperate under pressure from the European Commission and the United States. Obviously, the gas supplier does not want a repetition of this unsightly storiesand requires guarantees from Europe.

But Turkey relates to what is happening with much greater enthusiasm. This is not surprising: the Republic of Turkey has every chance of becoming one of the most significant energy hubs in the world, which will strengthen its own fuel supply and bring additional income for transit.

We have to admit that Russia's position on gas supplies to Europe is reasonable and fair: is it worth it to hurry to impose its unique product on those who criticize it? You can wait a bit, and then the EU countries, looking at the positive experience of cooperation between Russia and Turkey, will come with a deal offer. Undoubtedly, work on the “Turkish Stream” may be somewhat delayed, but in the long run, this small sacrifice will lead to a big victory.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 13 February 2017 06: 16
    +4
    Obviously, the gas supplier does not want to repeat this unsightly story, and demands guarantees from Europe.

    In my opinion, any planning should BEGIN from this, not just construction. There will be no guarantees, there will be a stream. What's next?
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 13 February 2017 06: 51
      0
      Quote: Olgovich
      There will be no guarantees, there will be a stream. What's next?


      State money - to dust!

      And it remains only to rely on Alah!
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 13 February 2017 08: 58
        +5
        Quote: Titsen
        And it remains only to rely on Alah!

        The Almighty sees everything. Well, when it’s light, warm, and the flies don’t bite. laughing
      2. passing
        passing 13 February 2017 12: 48
        +6
        And the rise in gas prices for the population of the Russian Federation, in order to fight off about ...
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 13 February 2017 09: 24
      +8
      Quote: Olgovich
      In my opinion, any planning should BEGIN from this, not just construction. There will be no guarantees, there will be a stream. What's next?

      The best guarantees are joint investments in the Turkish stream, together with the EU! Well, what guarantees can we talk about if Bulgaria, an EU country, has abandoned it? After all, Bulgaria did not refuse itself, it is not an independent country, it did it under pressure. It was the EU itself that refused the flow, not Bulgaria!
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 13 February 2017 10: 32
        +1
        Quote: Stas157
        It was the EU itself that refused the flow, not Bulgaria!

        To be more precise, it was the SGA that was refused by both Bulgaria and the EU! They never liked the economic stability of Russia, and even more so the rapprochement with Western Europe!
    3. avt
      avt 13 February 2017 10: 04
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      BEGIN any planning, not construction. There will be no guarantees, the stream will be. What's next?

      laughing Yeah, leave it as it is and extend the transit through the Ruin? As well as the author with the same
      Should you rush to impose your unique product on those who criticize it? You can wait a bit, and then the EU countries, having looked at the positive experience of cooperation between Russia and Turkey, will come up with a proposal of a deal. Undoubtedly, work on the "Turkish Stream" may be somewhat delayed, but in the long run this small sacrifice will lead to a big victory.
      veiled under common sense. To all the mourners like
      Quote: Titsen
      State money - to dust!
      And it remains only to rely on Alah!

      So for Svidomo and other Gaidarites, Trotskyites, the market will regulate everything. "
      It is strange that we have to raise again such an elementary, elementary question.
      Unfortunately, Trotsky and Bukharin are forced to do this.
      They both reproach me for “substituting” the issue, or that I approach “politically”, and they fit “economically”.
      Bukharin even inserted this into his theses and tried to “rise above” the two disputants: I’m unifying both of them.
      Theoretical infidelity is egregious.



      Politics is a concentrated expression of economics, I repeated in my speech, because I had already heard this unacceptable, in the mouth of a Marxist, absolutely unacceptable rebuke for my “political” approach.
      Politics cannot but have primacy over the economy.
      To argue otherwise is to forget the ABC of Marxism.

      Maybe my political assessment is wrong?
      Say and prove it.
      But to say (or at least even indirectly admit the idea) that the political approach is equivalent to the "economic" one, that you can take "this and that", this means forgetting the ABC of Marxism.
      In other words.
      The political approach means that if you approach the unions the wrong way, it will ruin.

      Soviet power, the dictatorship of the proletariat.
      (A split between the party and the trade unions, provided that the party was wrong, would surely overthrow Soviet power in a peasant country like Russia.)
      It is possible (and should) to verify this consideration on its merits, that is, to disassemble, delve into, decide whether this approach is correct or incorrect.
      To say: I “appreciate” your political approach, “but” this is only political, but we need “economic”, this is the same as saying: I “appreciate” your consideration that, taking such and such a step, you break your neck, but also weigh the fact that being fed and dressed is better than being hungry and naked.

      Bukharin theoretically slipped into eclecticism, preaching a combination of political and economic approach.
      Trotsky and Bukharin depict the matter in such a way that we care about the growth of production, and you only formal democracy.
      This image is incorrect, because the question is (and, in Marxist terms, it can be) only this way: without a correct political approach to business, this class will not maintain its dominance and, therefore, cannot solve its production problem.
      1. Vasiliev Yu
        Vasiliev Yu 13 February 2017 13: 44
        0
        I didn't even read. Trotsky and Bukharin are being stuck everywhere on this site. Nowhere else and nothing to quote? Naphthalene.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 13 February 2017 13: 49
      +1
      Nobody will object if the Siberian gas flows into the apartments of the Siberians themselves. laughing
    5. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 13 February 2017 17: 03
      +1
      the seller tells the buyer:
      "I want to offer you a product, but I need guarantees that you will buy .. and you don’t want to invest, here’s byaki ..."
      1. dauria
        dauria 13 February 2017 20: 09
        +2
        "I want to offer you a product, but I need guarantees that you will buy


        Don't mislead. It's not just a product here. "And here you bring me a refrigerator to the house, and on the 14th floor, and I will see whether to buy or not." Money in advance (well, or a deposit for delivery and loaders) Moreover, once they took the swindlers' word for it.
        1. vlad_vlad
          vlad_vlad 14 February 2017 00: 09
          0
          exactly this way and nothing else - to the house, to the refrigerator, but to the 14th floor, and I will see whether to buy or not. This is the seller must grumble and take risks.

          And what are you personally doing wrong? I am just like that. but if I don't like the product, I'll send it back at the expense of the seller.
          1. evge-malyshev
            evge-malyshev 14 February 2017 11: 26
            0
            Quote: vlad_vlad
            And what are you personally doing wrong? I am just like that. but if I don't like the product, I'll send it back at the expense of the seller.

            Braggart. Yes, even at the expense of the seller ??? There are no fools.
            1. vlad_vlad
              vlad_vlad 14 February 2017 12: 50
              0
              there is nothing to brag about - not my merit. This is how it works in Germany. you order 3 pairs of shoes on the Internet with delivery, you choose one for yourself - the rest back.
  2. izya top
    izya top 13 February 2017 06: 32
    +7
    That is why all the jackals of Europe can challenge the price of gaspröm's goods, but I cannot afford the price of alcoholic beverages in the store? crying
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 13 February 2017 07: 43
      +4
      You have much more choice winked
  3. 210ox
    210ox 13 February 2017 06: 44
    +1
    No one there will give guarantees! This is all politics - the construction of a gas pipeline concerns two countries. But if someone there decides to buy gas further, then you are welcome ... Only all this is doubtful ..
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 13 February 2017 09: 27
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      No one there will give guarantees! This is all politics - the construction of a gas pipeline concerns two countries. But if someone there decides to buy gas further, then you are welcome ... Only all this is doubtful ..

      And if he doesn't decide, then what? Who will beat the pipe for us? Turks?
  4. Knowing
    Knowing 13 February 2017 06: 53
    0
    While it is Winter, Gazprom can not only offer, but also demanding to indicate ... repeat
    1. Makk
      Makk 13 February 2017 08: 47
      +4
      Quote: Knowing
      While it is Winter, Gazprom can not only offer, but also demanding to indicate ... repeat

      Citizens of Russia ..... and regardless of the season.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 13 February 2017 09: 54
      0
      "Russian President Vladimir Putin will pay an official visit to China in May 2017. He said this at a meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping."
      http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2823572
      Then, if it is proposed to increase the capacity of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline, the EU will express its concern: “But what about the EU.” By the way, Jean-Claude Juncker is leaving the post of head of the European Commission. Who will express concern?
      http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/4015555
    3. woron333444
      woron333444 13 February 2017 11: 33
      +1
      Knowing Today, 10:53 New
      While it is Winter, Gazprom can not only offer, but also demanding to indicate ...

      And winter, oddly enough, every year everything comes and comes.
  5. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 13 February 2017 06: 58
    +9
    EU guarantees are about the same as the delivery of prepaid "Mistral". am Any guarantee is sacrificed to political expediency. Political expediency is voiced by unelected autocrats, and transnationals are determined - here it is, democracy of contract law.
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 13 February 2017 08: 38
      +1
      Quote: Gormengast
      EU guarantees are about the same as

      A guarantee is better than no guarantee
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 13 February 2017 08: 45
        +1
        Not better, because the EU guarantee is no more expensive than rotten bread. That she is, that she is not - the guarantors are not responsible for anything.

        The Mongols came up with the only guarantee - to take the children of the guarantors hostage and, if the promise is broken, to kill them. am
        1. dauria
          dauria 13 February 2017 20: 23
          0
          Mongols came up with the only guarantee - to take children hostage


          Why not? There is an easier way "Bartholomeich took things as a pledge and set cannibalistic interest" request
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 February 2017 08: 59
    0
    "Nobody will build blindly, because it is associated with certain losses," - Alexander Botan-Kharchenko expressed Moscow's position.


    Who wants to step on the same rake with Europe? That is why Gazprom wants guarantees.
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 13 February 2017 13: 09
      0
      aszzz888. To Yanukovych, representatives of the West also gave guarantees of personal safety. Well, where are they - guarantees? "Promise anything - we'll hang it later!"
    2. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 14 February 2017 11: 39
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      Who wants to step on the same rake with Europe? That is why Gazprom wants guarantees.


      It is desirable that these guarantees be supported financially.
  7. Aleksandr69
    Aleksandr69 13 February 2017 09: 43
    0
    There is also gas from the Middle Eastern republics - do not forget about competition: if we don’t hurry up, then Europe will simply refuse Russian gas and build its own flow ...
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 13 February 2017 14: 30
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr69
      There is also gas from the Middle Eastern republics - do not forget about competition: if we don’t hurry up, then Europe will simply refuse Russian gas and build its own flow ...

      They will not be able to replace the entire volume of Russian gas. And the volumes must be increased and the pipe thrown, and this is the time. Europe will not want to freeze as long as the thread is pulled. Yes, and it must be pulled through the same Syria and Turkey. Who do we have in Syria? Russia.
      Sly mattresses, they did not want to talk in a civilized way about the shared participation of interested countries in the development of a gas strategy with Europe, but stupidly began to hammer the state of the Near East into the ground in order to take control of all the gas in the region and drive it to Europe at their own price, throwing Russia out from the European market, but didn’t work .... Russia showed them a calibrated fig and thickly hinting that this idea is doomed to failure, entered Syria. Now we definitely need to negotiate, but taking into account our BIG interest, that is, to share a share in the pipe, if they want to build it at all. The liquefaction of Middle Eastern gas and its liquefaction + delivery by gas carriers, at the output gives the European consumer gas, which will be a hundred, one and a half more expensive than Russian, so this is also not an option. Business, although it is amenable to political adjustment, will not want to work at a loss in the long run.
  8. prior
    prior 13 February 2017 11: 25
    +6
    With what persistence Gazprom seeks to sell off Russia's natural resources, both left and right ...
    If, with the same persistence, the authorities developed industry, science, agriculture ...
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 13 February 2017 12: 14
      +1
      They do not hide, at one time they ran advertisements where arrows were clearly drawn with directions where the "national treasure" was flowing, modestly silent about where finances were returned for what, according to the constitution, belongs to everyone. The goal of the SOE is profit. A minimum of gestures (no offense to miners and geological prospecting) and maximum profit. I have about the same commodity-money relations with mushrooms and berries in the forest, with one significant difference - all the profit goes to the people :). The state enterprise will never reduce supplies to Europe, except that in Europe a blueprint for the Da Vinci perpetual motion machine will be opened and natural resources will no longer be burned.
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 13 February 2017 12: 47
      +4
      Quote: prior
      With what persistence Gazprom seeks to sell off Russia's natural resources, both left and right ...
      If, with the same persistence, the authorities developed industry, science, agriculture ...

      Why the industry, just gasification of the country would be carried out what we have what you have. but no, it is not profitable, it is profitable to drive gas abroad and store profits there.
  9. Normal ok
    Normal ok 13 February 2017 12: 34
    +1
    I do not understand the enthusiasm for replacing the sewed with soap. In the sense of replacing one "partner" (Ukraine) with another "partner" (Turkey). In the future, it will be the same - dependence on a country with an unpredictable foreign policy.
  10. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 13 February 2017 13: 45
    0
    We must take Trump as a share instead of the European "partners" in the construction of the pipeline, then the European Commission will shut up.
  11. vlad007
    vlad007 13 February 2017 20: 44
    0
    Quote from the article: “Already now Russia had to exceed the planned capacity of the Nord Stream in order to warm its western neighbors in winter.”
    It was necessary to exceed because Ukraine refused Russian gas and receives it by reverse from Europe - they began to pump more gas to Europe through the Nord Stream, and stopped pumping to Ukraine!
    Both pipelines are not yet under construction, cookies are indicated in the article, but are coordinated. I think that everyone is waiting for a meeting between Trump and Putin.
    The Turkish flow is designed for approximately 30 billion cubic meters, of which 15 for Turkey, for domestic consumption, and the remaining 15 for Europe. Why coordinate with Europe that part which is only for Turkey?
    All articles on the gas situation are in the nature of general reasoning - VERY little specificity. This applies not only to this site. We have to collect information bit by bit, just like a scout. There are a lot of questions!
    To build a gas pipeline is half the battle, and then we need to agree on gas supply prices. Is the gas supply price agreed with Turkey? Or will they first build a gas pipeline, and BECAUSE they will coordinate the price?