Folk hero Vasily Chapaev

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130 years ago, on February 9, 1887, the future hero of the Civil War was born, people's commander Vasily Ivanovich Chapaev. Vasily Chapaev fought heroically during the First World War, and during the Civil War he became a legendary figure, a self-taught person who advanced to high command posts due to his own abilities in the absence of a special military education. He became a true legend when not only official myths, but also fiction firmly obscured the real historical figure.

Chapaev was born on January 28 (February 9) 1887 of the year in the village of Budaika in Chuvashia. Chapaev's ancestors lived here for a long time. He was the sixth child in a poor Russian peasant family. The child was weak, premature, but his grandmother was leaving. His father, Ivan Stepanovich, was a carpenter by profession, had a small plot of land, but never had enough of his own bread, and therefore he worked as a cab driver in Cheboksary. The grandfather, Stepan Gavrilovich, was written in documents by Gavrilov. And the surname Chapaev went from the nickname - “chapay, chepai, cling” (“take it”).



In search of a better life, the Chapaev family moved to the village of Balakovo, Nikolaevsky district, Samara province. Since childhood, Vasily worked hard, worked sexually in a tea room, as an assistant to an organ-grinder, a merchant, and helped his father in carpentry. Ivan Stepanovich identified his son in the local parish school, the patron saint of which was his wealthy cousin. Chapaevs already had priests in the family, and their parents wanted Vasily to become a priest, but life decided otherwise. In the church school, Basil learned to write and read by syllables. Once he was punished for his offense - Basil was put in a cold winter cell in one of his underwear. Realizing in an hour that he was freezing, the child knocked out the window and jumped off from the height of the third floor, breaking his arms and legs. So ended the study of Chapaev.

In the fall of 1908, Vasily was called up for military service and sent to Kiev. But already in the spring of next year, apparently due to illness, Chapaev was fired from the army to the reserve and the militias of the first category were transferred to the warriors. Before World War I worked as a carpenter. In 1909, Vasily Ivanovich married Pelagia Nikanorovna Metlina, the daughter of a priest. Together they lived 6 for years, they had three children. From 1912 to 1914, Chapaev and his family lived in the city of Melekess (now Dimitrovgrad, Ulyanovsk Region).

It is worth noting that Vasily Ivanovich's family life did not work out. Pelageya, when Vasily went to the front, went with the children to the neighbor. At the beginning of 1917, Chapaev drove to his native place and intended to divorce Pelageya, but was satisfied that he took the children from her and brought them back to their parents' house. Soon after, he met Pelagia Kamishkertseva, the widow of Peter Kamishkertsev, a friend of Chapaev, who died from a wound during the fighting in the Carpathians (Chapaev and Kamishkertsev promised each other that if one of the two was killed, the survivor would take care of his friend's family). However, Kamishkertseva changed Chapaev. This circumstance was revealed shortly before the death of Chapaev and dealt him a strong moral strike. In the last year of his life, Chapaev also had an affair with the wife of Commissioner Furmanov, Anna (it is believed that she became the prototype of Anki the machine gunner), which led to a sharp conflict with Furmanov. Furmanov scribbled denunciations of Chapaev, but later admitted in his diaries that he simply envied the legendary divisional divisional.

With the beginning of the war, 20 of September of 1914, Chapaev was called up for military service and sent to the 159 th reserve infantry regiment in the city of Atkarsk. In January, 1915 came to the front as part of the 326-th Belgorai Infantry Regiment of the 82-th Infantry Division from the 9-th Army of the South-Western Front. Was injured. In July, 1915 graduated from the training team, was promoted to junior non-commissioned officer, and in October - senior. Participated in the Brusilov breakthrough. The war ended in the rank of sergeant. He fought well, was wounded and contused several times, was awarded the St. George Medal and three-degree St. George soldier crosses for his bravery. Thus, Chapaev was one of those soldiers and noncoms of the tsarist imperial army, who went through the most severe school of the First World War and soon became the core of the Red Army.

Folk hero Vasily Chapaev

Feldwebel Chapaev with his wife Pelageya Nikanorovna, 1916

Civil war

I met the February revolution in a hospital in Saratov. 28 September 1917 of the year joined the RSDLP (b). He was elected commander of the 138 Infantry Reserve Regiment, stationed in Nikolaevsk. On December 18, the county congress of Soviets was elected military commissar of the Nicholas district. He organized the county Red Guard from the 14 squads. He participated in a campaign against General Kaledin (near Tsaritsyn), then in the spring of 1918 of the year in a campaign of the Special Army in Uralsk. On his initiative, 25 May decided to reorganize the Red Guard detachments into two regiments of the Red Army: named after Stepan Razin and named after Pugachev, united in the Pugachev brigade under the command of Vasily Chapaev. Later, he participated in battles with the Czechoslovakians and the Peoples Army, in whom Nikolayevsk had beaten off, renamed Pugachev.


September 19 1918 was appointed commander of the 2-th Nikolaev division. In battles with whites, Cossacks and Czech invaders, Chapaev showed himself to be a firm commander and an excellent tactician who skillfully assessed the situation and offered the best solution, as well as a personally brave man who enjoyed the authority and love of the fighters. During this period, Chapaev repeatedly personally led troops to the attack. According to the evaluation of the temporarily commander of 4 by the Soviet army of the former General Staff, Major-General A. A. Baltiysky, for Chapaev “the lack of a general military education affects the command and control technique and the lack of breadth to cover military affairs. Full of initiative, but uses it unbalanced, due to the lack of military education. However, in Comrade Chapaev, all data are clearly indicated, on the basis of which, with appropriate military education, both equipment and a reasonable military scale will undoubtedly appear. The desire to get a military education in order to get out of the state of "military darkness", and then again to join the ranks of the military front. One can be sure that the natural talents of Comrade Chapaev, in combination with military education, will give vivid results. ”

In November, for the purpose of raising education, 1918 was sent to the newly established Academy of the General Staff of the Red Army in Moscow. He stayed at the Academy until February 1919, then he arbitrarily quit his studies and returned to the front. “Studying at the academy is a good and very important thing, but it’s a shame and a pity that the White Guards are pounding without us,” said the red commander. Chapaev noted about his studies: “I haven’t read about Hannibal before, but I see that he was an experienced commander. But I largely disagree with his actions. He made many unnecessary rebuilds in front of the enemy and thus revealed his plan to him, he was slow in his actions and did not show perseverance for the final defeat of the enemy. I had a case similar to the situation during the battle of Cannes. It was in August, on the river N. We passed up to two regiments of whites and artillery across the bridge to our bank, gave them the opportunity to stretch along the road, and then opened hurricane artillery fire on the bridge and rushed to the attack from all sides. The stunned enemy did not have time to come to his senses, as he was surrounded and almost completely destroyed. His remains rushed to the destroyed bridge and were forced to rush into the river, where most of them sank. 6 guns, 40 machine guns and 600 prisoners fell into our hands. We have achieved these successes due to the swiftness and surprise of our attack. ”

Chapaev was appointed commissioner of the interior of Nicholas County. Since May, the 1919 of the year has been the brigade of the Special Alexandrovo-Gai brigade, since June - the 25 of the rifle division. The division acted against the main forces of the Whites, participated in repelling the spring offensive of the armies of Admiral A.V. Kolchak, participated in the Buguruslan, Belebey and Ufa operations. These operations predetermined the transfer by the red troops of the Ural range and the defeat of Kolchak's army. In these operations, Chapaev’s division acted on the adversary’s communications and carried out rounds. Agile tactics became a feature of Chapaev and his division. Even white commanders singled out Chapaev and noted his organizational skills. A major success was the crossing of the Belaya River, which led to the capture of Ufa’s 9 June 1919 and the further retreat of the White forces. Then Chapaev, who was on the front line, was wounded in the head, but remained in the ranks. For military distinctions he was awarded the highest award of Soviet Russia - the Order of the Red Banner, and his division was awarded the honorary revolutionary Red Banner.

Chapaev loved his fighters, and they paid him the same. His division was considered one of the best on the Eastern Front. In many respects, he was precisely the people's leader, who at the same time possessed a real military leadership, great energy and initiative that infected others. Vasily Ivanovich was a commander who was striving to constantly learn in practice, directly during the fighting, a simple man and sly at the same time (this was the quality of a real representative of the people). Chapaev knew the battlefield, located on the right flank of the Eastern Front, which was remote from the center.

After the Ufa operation, Chapaev’s division was again deployed to the front against the Ural Cossacks. We had to act in the steppe area, away from communications, with the superiority of the Cossacks in cavalry. The struggle here was accompanied by mutual bitterness, uncompromising confrontation. Vasily Ivanovich Chapaev was killed on 5 on September 1919 of the year as a result of a deep raid by a Cossack detachment of Colonel N. N. Borodin, crowned with an unexpected attack on the city of Lbishchensk, located in the rear of the rear, where the headquarters of the 25 division was located. Chapaev's division, which had broken away from the rear and suffered great losses, settled in the beginning of September to rest in the area of ​​Lbishchensk. Moreover, the division headquarters, the supply department, the tribunal, the revolutionary committee and other divisional institutions were located in Lbishchensk itself. The main forces of the division were removed from the city. The command of the White Ural Army decided to undertake a raid on Lbishchensk. In the evening of August 31, a select squad commanded by Colonel Nikolai Borodin left the village of Kalyony. September 4 Borodin detachment secretly approached the city and hid in the reeds in the backwaters of the Urals. The air reconnaissance did not report this to Chapaev, although she could not detect the enemy. It is believed that because the pilots sympathized with the whites (after the defeat, they went over to the whites).

At dawn 5 September Cossacks attacked Lbishchensk. A few hours later the battle was over. Most of the Red Army was not ready to attack, panicked, was surrounded and surrendered. It ended in a massacre, all the prisoners were killed - in batches of 100-200 people on the banks of the Urals. Only a small part was able to break through to the river. Among them was Vasily Chapaev, who gathered a small detachment and organized resistance. According to the testimony of the General Staff of Colonel M.I. Izergin: “Chapaev himself with the small detachment, with whom he took refuge in one of the houses on the banks of the Urals, from which he had to survive with artillery fire, lasted longer.

During the battle, Chapaev was seriously wounded in the stomach, he was transported to the other side of the raft. According to the story of Chapaev’s eldest son, Alexander, two Red Army-Hungarians put the wounded Chapaev on a raft made from half the gate and crossed the Ural River. But on the other side it turned out that Chapaev died from blood loss. Red Army men buried his body in the coastal sand with their hands and pelted them with reeds so that the whites would not find the grave. This story was later confirmed by one of the participants in the events, who in 1962 sent a letter from Hungary to Chapaev’s daughter with a detailed description of the death of the red division commander. The white investigation also confirms this data. From the words of the captured Red Army soldiers, “Chapaev, leading a group of Red Army soldiers to us, was wounded in the stomach. The injury turned out to be so severe that after that he couldn’t manage the battle and was transferred to the Urals on boards ... he [Chapayev] was already on the Asian side of the r. Ural died from a wound in the stomach. " In the course of this battle, the White commander also died - Colonel Nikolai Nikolayevich Borodin (he was posthumously promoted to the rank of major general).

There are other versions of the fate of Chapaev. Thanks to Dmitry Furmanov, who served as a commissar in Chapaev’s division and wrote the novel “Chapaev” about him, and especially to the film “Chapaev”, the version of the death of the wounded Chapaev in the waves of the Urals became popular. This version arose immediately after Chapaev’s death and was, in fact, the fruit of an assumption, assuming that they had seen Chapaev on the European coast, but he did not come to the Asian coast, and they did not find the corpse. There is also a version that Chapaev was killed in captivity.

According to one of the versions, Chapaev eliminated his as a disobedient national commander (in modern terms, a “field commander”). Chapaev was in conflict with L. Trotsky. According to this version, the pilots, who were to inform the divisional commander about the approaching whites, carried out the order of the high command of the Red Army. The independence of the “red field commander” annoyed Trotsky, he saw an anarchist in Chapayev, who could disobey the order. Thus, it is possible that Trotsky and "ordered" Chapaev. Whites acted as a tool, no more. During the battle, Chapaev was simply shot. According to a similar scheme, Trotsky and other red commanders, who did not understand international intrigues, fought for the common people, were eliminated. A week earlier, Chapaev was killed in Ukraine by legendary division commander Nikolai Shchors. A few years later, in the 1925 year, the famous Gregory Kotovsky was also shot dead under unclear circumstances. In the same year 1925, Mikhail Frunze was killed on a surgical table, also by order of Trotsky’s team.

During this period, there was a tough fight in Russia between internationalist revolutionaries led by Trotsky, who planned to use and burn down Russian civilization during the “world revolution” commissioned by their masters from the West. And real Russian communists, mostly people from ordinary people, such as Chapaev, Frunze and Stalin, who believed in a “bright future” and a life without social parasites. Trotsky and his team methodically destroyed all those national leaders who could revolt and turn the bayonets of the soldiers loyal to them against the traitors if the enemies of the people surrendered the country to the West.

Chapaev lived a short life (died in 32), but a bright life. As a result, the legend of the red division commander arose. The country needed a hero whose reputation was not tarnished. People watched this movie dozens of times, all Soviet boys dreamed to repeat Chapaev's feat. Later Chapaev entered folklore as the hero of many popular jokes. In this mythology, the image of Chapaev was distorted beyond recognition. In particular, according to anecdotes, he is such a cheerful, rollicking person, a drunkard. In fact, Vasily Ivanovich did not drink alcohol at all, tea was his favorite drink. An orderly everywhere drove him a samovar. Arriving at any location, Chapaev immediately began to drink tea and at the same time necessarily invited the locals. Thus, the glory of a very good-natured and hospitable person affirmed. One more thing. In the film, Chapaev is a dashing cavalryman racing to the enemy with a sword bald. In fact, Chapaev did not feel any special love for horses. Preferred car. The legend that Chapaev fought against the famous general V. O. Kappel also spread, is also not true.
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  1. +28
    10 February 2017 05: 18
    Despite all the details and upheavals of his difficult life, Vasily Ivanovich will remain in my Soviet consciousness as a just and dashing commander racing on a white horse to crush his oppressors. Terrible and majestic this image --- people need such heroes. Young men before the war after watching the movie have nothing except for military schools, schools, classes did not dream. And there were many who brought up this film. This is where our directors trying to shoot "patriotic" need to eat. Not from Hollywood blockbusters to mount killer films, but from this simple but dynamic and very popular film, weave their own canvases. Someone may condemn him, he’s right, but since childhood I’ve got used to rooting for the Reds, although now I understand very well that in that war and in the current confrontation there are no right-wingers, but for the red and white we can’t see Russia.
    1. +7
      10 February 2017 07: 04
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      dashing commander racing on a white horse
      I immediately remembered the phrase from the film - Where should the commander be? Ahead! On a dashing horse! In truth, a national hero! , and how many people came up with jokes about Petka and Chapaev!
      1. +11
        10 February 2017 09: 25
        Quote: bionik
        and how many people came up with jokes about Petka and Chapaev!

        Petka had a very real prototype - Peter Isaev, a former senior non-commissioned officer of the imperial army’s music team. In reality, Petka was not a rustic orderly, but the commander of a communications battalion. At that time, the signalmen were on a special account and were a kind of elite due to the fact that the level of their knowledge was inaccessible to illiterate foot soldiers.

        There is also no clarity with his death: according to one version, he shot himself on the day of the death of the headquarters so as not to be captured, according to another - he died in battle, according to the third - he committed suicide a year after the death of Chapaev, at his wake. The most likely version is the second
        1. +2
          10 February 2017 20: 13
          RUSS "His death is also not clear: according to one version, he shot himself on the day of the death of the headquarters so as not to be captured, according to another - he died in battle, according to the third - he committed suicide a year after the death of Chapaev, at his wake. the likely version is the second "
          There is still a 4th version. The one that he died in the village of Kundravinsky (Orenb Kaz. Troops), now a village in the Chelyabinsk region. There he is buried. He had two daughters in his Kundrava.
          1. +1
            10 February 2017 20: 14
            This is an old grave. Now it is restored by local residents.
      2. +10
        10 February 2017 13: 40
        there is another wonderful phrase from another wonderful film- "the commander should think, think, and not wave his saber." and Vasily Ivanovich will forever remain a national hero, and was always glad that he could not be slapped with any dirt.
      3. +2
        10 February 2017 18: 05
        Quote: bionik
        I immediately remembered the phrase from the film - Where should the commander be? Ahead! On a dashing horse!

        Hehehehe ... actually, in that episode Chapaev considered different tactical situations - and not always the commander was ahead.
        - Here, for example, the detachment is marching. Where should the commander be? Ahead on a dashing horse.
        The enemy showed up and opened gunfire. Where should the commander be? Again, it may be ahead, because one at a time from the guns will not shoot.
        Now the enemy opened machine-gun fire. Where should the commander be? Let's say they have 10 machine guns here, and here 2. Where?
        - Here, where ten.
        - Here ... It is necessary to consider. Where is it easier for them to slap you? Here, where 10. So you should be where there are 2, otherwise without a commander and fighters there may be a cover.
        Now the enemy went on the attack. Where should the commander be?
        - To be in front.
        - I must go to the rear of my detachment and from some high place to observe the whole picture of the battle. Otherwise, the squad can get around from the flanks.
        Now, with decisive action by the detachment and its commander, the enemy has been thrown back and taken to flight. Our squad is chasing the enemy retreating in a panic. Where should the commander be? Again ahead, on a dashing horse! And the first to break into the city on the shoulders of the enemy.
        Need to think!
        1. 0
          10 February 2017 18: 47
          Quote: Alexey RA

          Hehehehe ... actually, in that episode Chapaev considered different tactical situations -

          Is it you who decided to do something ligbe for the film? Just took the first quote from his monologue in response to a quote
          Quote: bionik
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          dashing commander racing on a white horse
          1. 0
            5 June 2017 18: 10
            bionic. LIKBEZ.
    2. +2
      10 February 2017 10: 11
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Despite all the details and upheavals of his difficult life, Vasily Ivanovich will remain in my Soviet consciousness as a just and dashing commander racing on a white horse to crush his oppressors.
      And also, thanks to the film. because of his incompleteness, a deadly incompetent. This is the nature of man, no one can be perfect. Chapaev is a legend, thanks to Babochkin and Soviet cinema. But I would really like to see the second. part of Chapaev. She came out during the years of the great Patriotic war.
      1. +7
        10 February 2017 10: 15
        Quote: Wend
        But I would really like to see the second. part of Chapaev. She came out during the years of the great Patriotic war.

        This is not the second part of this movie clip-In 1941, the popular Soviet hero was resurrected for the needs of propaganda, shooting a short video about how Chapaev sailed to the shore and urged everyone to beat the Germans to the front.
        1. 0
          10 February 2017 10: 17
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Wend
          But I would really like to see the second. part of Chapaev. She came out during the years of the great Patriotic war.

          This is not the second part of this movie clip-In 1941, the popular Soviet hero was resurrected for the needs of propaganda, shooting a short video about how Chapaev sailed to the shore and urged everyone to beat the Germans to the front.

          So I would like to see it.
          1. 0
            10 February 2017 10: 24
            Quote: Wend
            So I would like to see it.

            Have you searched on the internet?
            1. +2
              10 February 2017 10: 27
              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: Wend
              So I would like to see it.

              Have you searched on the internet?

              Yes, I didn’t find it. There is a dock movie about Babochkin, there is an excerpt.
              1. +2
                10 February 2017 11: 44
                Quote: Wend
                Yes, I didn’t find it.

                Maybe you were looking for this? (Go to youtube)
              2. +7
                10 February 2017 11: 45
                Like found, try to insert
                1. +1
                  10 February 2017 15: 45
                  Anatole Klim ruskih thanks, it seems to be like. This is the 41 movie title of the year. Powerfully done.
                  1. +3
                    10 February 2017 15: 58
                    You're welcome. love Also, when I saw it a long time ago, it was done really very well. In my opinion, similar campaigns were with the heroes of other popular films of that time.
  2. +11
    10 February 2017 06: 00
    Blessed is he who in the days of rebellious struggle,
    In the days of the general abomination of man,
    Stayed with clean, snow-white,
    A blameless soul.
    Blessed is he who in the years of crime,
    Keeping the sacred ideal
    From everyday temptations
    Withstood mind and heart.
    Blessed is he who, writing the story
    In the tablets of clear centuries
    Saved like a virgin conscience
    And the faith of old grandfathers.
    Blessed is he who has not betrayed his homeland,
    Who didn’t rebel against the Tsar,
    Who knew the cup of torment and tears,
    But he did not murmur cowardly.

    Old Futog, May 1921, S. Bekhteev.
    "Where should the commander be? Ahead, on a dashing horse" !!!
  3. +2
    10 February 2017 06: 29
    I watched the movie "Chapaev" - it looks a little funny but quite soulful.
    And of course I remembered the famous game of 1998.
    1. +11
      10 February 2017 09: 23
      Quote: ZNGRU
      The film "Chapaev"

      The film about Chapaev was created under the personal patronage of Stalin, who even oversaw the writing of the script. So, at his insistence, the romantic line of Petka and Anka the machine gunner was introduced into the film. The leader liked the movie, and the film was waiting for the widest possible rental, it went to the cinema for several years, and perhaps there was not a single Soviet person who would not watch the film at least once. The film is replete with historical inconsistencies: for example, the officer regiment of Kappel (who never had one), dressed in the uniform of a Markov division (who fought on a completely different front), goes into a psychic attack.
      Nevertheless, it was he who fixed the myth of Chapaev for many years. Chapaev famously dissecting on a horse with a saber was replicated on millions of postcards, posters and cards. But the real Chapaev, because of a wounded arm, could not ride a horse and everywhere he moved by car.

      Relations between Chapaev and Commissioner Furmanov were also far from ideal. They often quarreled, Chapaev complained about the "commissar rule", and Furmanov was dissatisfied with the division commander laying eyes on his wife and did not at all respect the political work of the party in the army. Both repeatedly wrote complaints to their superiors on top of each other, their relationship is difficult to describe otherwise than as hostile. Furmanov was indignant: "Your dirty courtship of my wife was disgusting to me. I know everything, I have documents in my hands where you pour out your love and boorish tenderness."

      As a result, this is precisely what saved Furmanov’s life. A month before the death of the headquarters in Lbischensk, he was transferred to Turkestan after another complaint, and Pavel Baturin, who died along with everyone on September 5, 1919, became the new commissioner of the division.
      1. +1
        13 February 2017 00: 08
        "I could not ride a horse and everywhere I moved by car." ///

        I once read that Chapaev’s division was incredibly mechanized for those times
        in the civil war. In addition to several armored cars and several cars, she used airplanes for reconnaissance. Which, of course, speaks of Chapaev as an advanced commander.
  4. +7
    10 February 2017 07: 32
    Without this monument, it is impossible to imagine Samara, one of the symbols of the city, they like to drive tourists to the monument to Chapaev, although hooligans love for some reason - Vasily Ivanovich’s saber is either bent or broken.
    1. +2
      10 February 2017 18: 18
      The second such monument ("author’s repetition") stands in St. Petersburg in front of the Military Communications Academy named after Marshal of the Soviet Union S.M. Budenny.

      Yes, that's right: the Academy is Budenny, and the monument is to Chapaev. This is Peter. smile
      ICH, put this monument to the siege in the winter of 1942-1943. And that too - Peter.
  5. +9
    10 February 2017 07: 34
    Here from the shore, here from the "white" -
    Shoots a machine gun.
    Bullets frantic
    The divisional one is swimming.
    Boys tears roll:
    Chapay goes to the bottom.
    Wrong, wrong
    Movie ends!
    The boy would probably
    Otherwise, the film folded -
    Chapaev would have managed to swim to the shore,
    Chapai - stayed alive!
    Then alive, not wounded,
    He would have jumped into the saddle.
    Wrong, wrong
    Movie ends!
    And now in Spain
    He races on a horse.
    And here, in the Cossack burka, on Hassan he
    Fighting in the fire!
    In the battle of Stalingrad would
    His blade sparkled.
    Wrong, wrong
    Movie ends!
    I know - no Chapaev,
    But I do not want to believe.
    At the festive parade I always have it
    I'm looking for marshals!
    And let me not find him
    But I know anyway -
    Wrong, wrong
    Movie ends!
  6. +5
    10 February 2017 08: 36
    future hero of the Civil War,

    On the civil there are no heroes in the war. PMV Hero is yes.
    two Red Army menHungarian put
    They had nothing to do in a FOREIGN country.
    1. +10
      10 February 2017 09: 18
      A little-known fact: some of the Chapaevites some time after the death of the commander participated in a rebellion against the Soviet regime. After the death of Chapaev, part of the soldiers of the 25th division was transferred to the 9th cavalry division under the command of Sapozhkov. Almost all of them were peasants and were keenly worried about the beginning of the surplus apportionment, when special detachments completely requisitioned bread from the peasants, and not from the richest, but from all in a row, condemning many to starvation.

      The surplus surplus had a significant impact on the rank and file of the Red Army, especially on the natives of the most grain-growing regions, where it was the most brutal. Dissatisfaction with the policy of the Bolsheviks caused a series of spontaneous protests. In one of them, known as the Sapozhkov uprising, some former Chapaevites took part. The uprising was quickly crushed, several hundred active participants were shot.
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    2. +16
      10 February 2017 09: 23
      Olgovich Today, 08: 36 New
      There are no heroes in a civil war.
      What are you? Doesn’t it happen right? Tell it to the Americans or the French. And also tell this to our Newmonarchists and their sympathizers, to which you yourself belong. And then for you, as Kolchak is so “a hero,” and like Chapaev, there are no heroes. In this war, the heroes were and were precisely the red hero, as they fought for their country and for their people, against the White Guards and invited invaders of all stripes who did not fight for Russia, but for the opportunity to tear it and stretch it to pieces.
      They had nothing to do in a FOREIGN country.
      By your logic, volunteers in the Donbass have nothing to do, and there are many who are there. And the Russians, and Serbs, and Greeks, and Spaniards, but you will not list all. They also have nothing to do there, or what? Or is it possible, but not? And what did ours do in Spain?

      How vile people become as soon as they leave for permanent residence from Russia. Or rather they don’t become, they have been like that all their lives, therefore they fled, and now they are teaching us how to arrange our life for us. This I mean, "dear" ... It’s not for you to open your mouth, they left the road and a tablecloth.
      1. +17
        10 February 2017 09: 45
        Quote: Alex_1973
        And then for you, as Kolchak is so “a hero,” and like Chapaev, there are no heroes. In this war, the heroes were and were precisely the red hero, as they fought for their country and for their people, against the White Guards and invited invaders of all stripes who did not fight for Russia, but for the opportunity to tear it and stretch it to pieces.

        All right, you write good + + + + +
        Now, in the year of the 100th anniversary of the Great October Revolution, a lot of dirt will be poured on the legendary heroes of the Civil and Patriotic Wars, as, indeed, throughout Soviet history.
        But anti-Sovietism will not pass No Pasaran.
        1. +6
          10 February 2017 09: 55
          Quote: Stroporez
          Now in the year of the 100th anniversary of the Great October Revolution

          Now there is no such revolution, now The Great Russian Revolution- uniting both the October Revolution and the February Conspiracy. These amendments have been introduced into new textbooks on the History of Russia.
          Quote: Stroporez
          But anti-Sovietism will not pass No Pasaran.

          Ask students from the 7th to 11th grade who is Chapaev, who will not answer ....
          1. +3
            10 February 2017 14: 56
            Ask students from the 7th to 11th grade who is Chapaev, who will not answer ....

            are you glad, right?
            1. +1
              10 February 2017 15: 34
              Quote: free
              Ask students from the 7th to 11th grade who is Chapaev, who will not answer ....

              are you glad, right?

              No Olezhek is not happy, I do not care ......
              I am saddened by another fact that children do not know such people as Nevsky, Suvorov, Zhukov ...
          2. +3
            10 February 2017 15: 00
            Judas make such amendments to textbooks, but nothing comes the time will raise the dogs with hostility
            1. +2
              10 February 2017 15: 37
              Quote: free
              Judas make such amendments to textbooks, but nothing comes the time will raise the dogs with hostility

              Among these, as you put it, “Judas” there are scientists of different stripes and representatives of the left, too. There was a consensus that the Revolution was (and not a coup or conspiracy), and it was Great, but that's not socialist for sure.
          3. +2
            10 February 2017 16: 06
            Quote: RUSS
            Ask students from the 7th to 11th grade who is Chapaev, who will not answer ....


            Ask the students from Cheboksary. They know something. Although not all, far from all.
          4. +8
            10 February 2017 22: 05
            Quote: RUSS
            Now there is no such revolution, now the Great Russian Revolution- uniting both the October Revolution and the February Conspiracy. These amendments have been introduced into new textbooks on the History of Russia.


            Because the new bourgeoisie renamed the Great October Socialist Revolution, hating and afraid of its repetition, into the Great Russian, it did not cease to be socialist.
            Its main features are the change of formation (the transition from capitalism to socialism) and the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat in the form of advice. The bourgeoisie was violated in rights, and its private property was expropriated in favor of the whole people.
      2. +12
        10 February 2017 09: 45
        Alex_1973
        And what did ours do in Spain?
        ..According to the Newmonarchists and their sympathizers..this is not ours, "bloody gebnya" smile ... and "our" those who are on the side of Franco .. "our" those who with Hitler came to restore historical "justice" in 1941 ... What is interesting with our Newmonarchists and sympathizers ... from November 7, 1917 to June 21, 1941 they are against the Soviet power, from June 22, 1941 to May 9, 1945 they are for the Soviet power, from May 10, 1945 against .. smile
        1. +11
          10 February 2017 09: 51
          Quote: parusnik
          ..What is interesting with our Newmonarchists and sympathizers ... from November 7, 1917 to June 21, 1941 they are against the Soviet power, from June 22, 1941 to May 9, 1945 they are for the Soviet power, from May 10, 1945 against .. smile

          Exactly!
          They forget the "gaspad" that during the Second World War they fought precisely for Soviet power and sacrificed everything for the sake of victory.
          And the "Gaspad" the bakers forget their idols when you need krasnov, for example.
        2. +16
          10 February 2017 09: 53
          parusnik Today, 09:45 ↑
          ..In the opinion of the Newmonarchists and their sympathizers..this is not ours, "bloody gebnya" smile ... but "ours" are those who are on the side of Franco ..
          But you are right at 200 percent! Indeed, the former White Guards really fought on the side of Franco and in considerable numbers. And you can recall such leaders of the white "noble" movement as the brigadefuhrer SS Krasnov PN, gruppenfuhrer SS Shkuro AG and many more.
          P.S. Wang, now they together will sing their favorite song about the "Red Commander Vlasov."
        3. +3
          10 February 2017 10: 30
          Quote: parusnik
          and "ours" are those who are on the side of Franco

          And why didn’t you please Franco?
          1. +2
            11 February 2017 03: 56
            Because a fascist.
      3. +1
        10 February 2017 09: 52
        Quote: Alex_1973
        Olgovich Today, 08:36 New There are no heroes in the civil war. What are you? Doesn’t it happen right? Tell it to the Americans or the French. AND

        So what is immediately to nod to the hated bourgeois and compare with them? They have different characters in the heroes, but so what? Hateful Americans are sometimes helpful?
        1. +7
          10 February 2017 10: 06
          RUSS Today, 09:52 ↑
          Hateful Americans are sometimes helpful?
          I, unlike you, do not creep in front of them.
          1. +4
            10 February 2017 10: 17
            Quote: Alex_1973
            I, unlike you, do not creep in front of them.

            Listen stop scribbling nonsense, it's already funny laughing don't be a jester.
            1. +8
              10 February 2017 10: 19
              RUSS Today, 10:17 ↑
              Listen, stop scribbling nonsense; laughing is already ridiculous, don't be a jester.
              Look at yourself... laughing
              1. 0
                15 October 2017 09: 22
                How to be rude, so for some reason, immediately to the "you" - is that such a culture?
      4. +3
        10 February 2017 22: 53
        The White Guards, part of the Russian people, namely the Reds, were given to the German-Fturetsky invaders one third of the country excluded the name RUSSIA from the name of the country and cut its body into the never-existent sub-state "type" like "Ukraine", giving Russian New Russia to Ukraine.
        It-a crime against the Russian people, because of which there is a war now in the Donbass.
        Alex_1973] How so people become vile as soon as they leave for permanent residence from Russia. Or rather they don’t become, they have been like that all their lives, therefore they fled, and now they are teaching us how to arrange our life for us. This I mean, "dear" ... It’s not for you to open your mouth, we left and the tablecloth is expensive


        You learn to talk humanly to start. Closing your mouth - you must first address YOURSELF.
        And the different flags that we see among commentators are another consequence of the Bolshevik crimes of tearing Russia into sub-states.
        Who asked the Bolsheviks to create the so-called “Moldavia” from Russian Bessarabia ?!
        Who forcibly cut off New Russia (60% of Ukraine) from the mother of Russia?
        WHO slaughtered Belarus 50% of the territory of Russia in 1924?
        Etc.
        1. +6
          10 February 2017 23: 16
          Quote: Olgovich
          Who asked the Bolsheviks to create the so-called “Moldavia” from Russian Bessarabia ?!

          One can ask such moronic questions: “Who asked the tsar to go to the Caucasus and fight with Shamil?
          Who asked Alexander to sell Alaska, the Aleutian Islands, and California? And we still conquered Poland ... and Koenigsberg was returned.
          1. +3
            11 February 2017 09: 14
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            On such moronic questions


            Learn to speak RUSSIAN normal language
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            "Who asked the king to go to the Caucasus and fight with Shamil?

            Did the king come to the Caucasus and create the Caucasian Republic with the goal of developing Caucasian statehood? belayWhat's wrong with you? fool
            Once again I will repeat and clarify SIMPLE questions:

            -Who asked the Bolsheviks to create the so-called Soviet “Moldavia” from the Russian multinational Bessarabia and WHAT did this emphasis on nationality prove to be beneficial to the Russian people? Even during the Romanian occupation of 22 years, they spoke Russian in Chisinau (although they imprisoned for this), and abroad there were emigrant BESSARABTS societies, not Moldovans. Moldavian nationalism is cultivated precisely in the Soviet era

            - WHO forcibly cut off Novorossia (60% of Ukraine) from the mother of Russia and WHAT turned out the forcible conversion of Russians to Ukrainians there to the benefit of the Russian people?
            -
            -Who killed Belarus 50% of the territory from Russia in 1924 (without the demand of people) -Where is the benefit of Russia?

            - In Samashki in Chechnya there were terrible battles with bandits in the 90s. But 100 years ago it was a prosperous strong RUSSIAN Cossack village. Who destroyed, evicted the Russian people from the Terek, and gave the lands and villages to “loyal Red Chechens and Ingush? The same thing happened in Semirechye, Orenburg, where“ the damned Russian colonialists ”were evicted.
            This is also good for the Russian people, yes, comrade. Mordvin?
            1. +2
              11 February 2017 10: 02
              Let's not rummage in the past, and look at the present. If for me, then I would enclose the whole Chechnya with proud highlanders and the thorns. And let them graze sheep there, and forge daggers. They are not capable of anything else.
              1. +3
                11 February 2017 10: 54
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Let's not rummage in the past, and look at the present.


                The present is created by the past. Errors of the past should be called errors, if only in order not to repeat in the present.
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                If for me, then I would enclose the whole Chechnya with proud highlanders and the thorns. And let them graze sheep there, and forge daggers.


                The question is the most complicated and the solution, for example, I do not see .....

                I just recalled that 100 years ago it was already resolved: one force on the Terek balanced the other and they coexisted quite peacefully and even collaborated (while there was firm power) ..
                And the Cossacks gave birth to more children than the Highlanders.
                But then someone got in there, broke his balance and that's it ....
  7. +9
    10 February 2017 09: 28
    Thanks for the article, for the good, human article about Chapaev.
  8. +2
    10 February 2017 09: 52
    Quote: bionik
    ... and how many people came up with jokes about Petka and Chapaev

    ... maybe the people came up, and maybe someone behind the hill (and then they (jokes) relayed (figuratively) to the people) ...
    1. +3
      10 February 2017 10: 58
      To create such jokes, you need to know the Russian mentality perfectly. Therefore, to create such jokes and in such quantity they would not work. This is a popular reaction to ... too much glorification of Chapaev by the authorities. Do not take our people more stupid than they are!
      1. +4
        10 February 2017 22: 06
        Quote: kalibr
        To create such jokes, you need to know the Russian mentality perfectly. Therefore, to create such jokes and in such quantity they would not work. This is a popular reaction to ... too much glorification of Chapaev by the authorities. Do not take our people more stupid than they are!


        The glorification of Chapaev did not interfere with our people. But the fact that jokes about Chapaev and jokes with black humor were prepared by entire CIA institutions with which our dissidents collaborated is a fact. It was an ideological sabotage against the Soviet people, against the USSR, against Soviet power and socialism.
        1. 0
          11 February 2017 09: 20
          Quote: Alexander Green
          and jokes with black humor were prepared by entire CIA institutions,

          Once again write such nonsense, I will show your comments to your wife and let you be ashamed
          1. 0
            15 October 2017 09: 26
            And why all the commies of such a low opinion about the intelligence of the people, which they also want to free? He buys everything, believes everything, transatlantic jokes repeats - unwise people one word!
      2. +3
        10 February 2017 22: 43
        Quote: kalibr
        glorification of Chapaev

        You are not talking about the case when a Civilian participant was invited to school to share his impressions? After a hundred grams, where was the grandfather, he told how we waved our sabers and how we shot, but most of all I remembered how we picked Senka Budenny out of the reeds. winked
  9. 0
    10 February 2017 10: 19
    apart from airplanes, the chapai had armored cars, and I also heard that he was not a particularly cavalry commander.
    1. +1
      10 February 2017 11: 55
      Quote: tiaman.76
      apart from airplanes, the chapai had armored cars, and I also heard that he was not a particularly cavalry commander.

      After the occupation of Lbischensk, the division was dispersed in the surrounding settlements, and the headquarters was located in the town itself. The main fighting forces were at a distance of several tens of kilometers from the headquarters, and the retreating white units could not counterattack due to the significant superiority of the Reds. Then they conceived a deep raid on Lbischensk, finding out that the almost unguarded division headquarters was located there.

      A squad of 1200 Cossacks was formed to participate in the raid. They had to go through the steppe at night for 150 kilometers (in the afternoon, airplanes patrolled the area), bypass all the main combat units of the division and unexpectedly attack the headquarters. The detachment was led by Colonel Sladkov and his deputy Colonel Borodin.

      For almost a week, the detachment secretly reached Lbischensk. In the vicinity of the city they seized a red convoy, thanks to which it became known the exact location of the headquarters of Chapaev. A special detachment was formed to capture it.
      1. 0
        10 February 2017 22: 43
        "RUSS" Then they conceived a deep raid on Lbischensk, finding out that there was located almost unguarded headquarters of the division. "
        The Chapaev division was not an ordinary division.))) It is strange that the headquarters was not properly guarded.
        “The connection from 21.09.1918 became known as the '1st Nikolaev Soviet Infantry Division', but already on September 25.09.1918, 1 it received a new name - '28.09.1918st Samara Infantry Division'. The name was approved at the general meeting of the delegates of the units held on 73/1/18 in the presence of a representative of the Republican Revolutionary Military Council Rifle Brigades: 217rd (218st, commanded by IS Kutyakov since October 219th) from that moment on, it included the 1th Pugachevsky Regiment, the 76,2th Stepan Razin Regiment, Domashkin detachment, which became the 74th regiment and the 2st light artillery division (LAD, with four 220 mm guns). 221th (222nd) consisted of: 2th - Ivanovo-Voznesensky, 75st - Syzransky, 3nd Samara International Regiments and 1919nd fret, and the new, 1920th (223rd, brigade commander - Fedor Potapov, in 224 - 225 - Efrem Ilyich Aksenov) - was formed as a part of: 3nd name Wienerman, 217th Krasnokutsky and 1919th - Balakovo regiments with the 218rd fret Regiments commanded: 1920th - Alexei Karpovich Ryazantsev in 219, 1919th - Danil Pavlovich G Ribakov in 220, 1920th - Sergei Vasilievich Sokol in 221, 1920th - Semen Afanasevich Zhilyakov in 223, 1920st - Andrei Moshkov in 225, 1923rd Anatoly Filimonovich Petrovsky in 25, and 1th assistant to the Communist Party in 3 was Fedor Ivanovich Tsibizov. Some time in the 25th appeared Balashovsky and Saratov infantry regiments. In addition, the division at different times included the 1st and 2rd Don-Kuban cavalry divisions, the 1922th cavalry division, the 17st and 25nd cavalry regiments that were part of the cavalry brigade (brigade commander in 6 - Ivan Konstantinovich Bells), the 54th armored detachment, the 76,2th heavy artillery battalion, the school of red instructors and a separate equestrian battery - 25 guns. In total, there were 19.11.1918 guns in the division, mainly 25 mm, and about 4.10.1919 thousand fighters. On November 25, XNUMX, the unit again changed its name to the 'XNUMXth Rifle Division ', and from October XNUMX, XNUMX, on the orders of the Strategic Rocket Forces of the Turkestan Front, to the 'XNUMXth Rifle Division. V.I. Chapaev’s division. "
  10. +3
    10 February 2017 10: 22
    Quote: Alex_1973
    In this war, the heroes were and were precisely the red hero, as they fought for their country and for their people, against the White Guards and invited invaders of all stripes who did not fight for Russia, but for the opportunity to tear it and stretch it to pieces.

    The fact that heroes will always be in any war is not discussed. It is easier with an external enemy - he will be a hero. In the civilian - everything is more complicated. But even in Civilian people committed feats. But about the fact that the White Guards did not fight for their country - I do not agree. The interventionists were invited not by that “faceless mass” of White Guards, but by concrete leaders of the white movement. And the same White Guards also fought for their country, for their Russia. It's just that everyone had her own. Red has one, white has another.

    And this is the question for those who know. In the city of Lubny, Poltava region, where the 60th Chapaev division was stationed in the military camp in the 70-25s, there was a museum and a monument to Vasily Ivanovich. I don’t know if the museum was preserved, where I first saw the portrait of Chapaev and was amazed that he is not quite the same as in the film, but what is surprising - the monument stands.
    1. +1
      10 February 2017 10: 50
      The division was disbanded in 1942, after its death, and in Lubny in the 60-70s the division could not be deployed, the very image of Chapaev was firmly connected with the actor Babochkin, who played his role.
      1. +5
        10 February 2017 11: 25
        bober1982 not much to correct The division defended Sevastopol until the last tragic days of the fall of defense.
        She died in July 1942 [5] [6]. The banners of the division were drowned in the Black Sea.
        Officially disbanded July 30, 1942.
        1. +1
          10 February 2017 11: 28
          Uncle Murzik, I accept the amendments, I agree.
      2. +6
        10 February 2017 11: 31
        Quote: bober1982
        The division was disbanded in 1942, after its death, and in Lubny in the 60-70s the division could not be deployed


        This is not entirely true. 25 rifle Chapaevskaya division really ceased to exist in the summer of 1942 in Sevastopol - why, thinking, no need to explain ...
        However, under the same number in the same year, a rifle division was formed on the basis of the 2nd Guards Brigade, which received several honorary titles and orders and a guards title ... \ After the war it was reorganized into a motorized rifle division and in 1964 the honorary name Chapaevskaya was obtained. - 25 Chapaev Guards Motorized Rifle Division.
        In the city of Lubny, Poltava region the division was stationed before its disbandment, if I am not mistaken in 2002.
        It is noteworthy that the entire personnel of the rifle platoon of the 78th regiment of the division under the command of Lieutenant Shironin (30 men) in 1943 was awarded the rank of GSS for the battle with German tanks.
        Shironin and four of his subordinates survived, Shironin was seriously wounded, but after the war he came to the division ...
        I know something about this because at one time I had a chance to study at a school in Lubny where my father, after the Frunze Academy, commanded one of the regiments in the division ...
        Here is a clarification ...
        1. 0
          10 February 2017 11: 34
          then I’ve made a mistake, I also accept the amendments, and I also agree.
    2. +10
      10 February 2017 11: 56
      Old26 Today, 10: 22
      But about the fact that the White Guards did not fight for their country - I do not agree. The interventionists were invited not by that “faceless mass” of White Guards, but by concrete leaders of the white movement. And the same White Guards also fought for their country, for their Russia. It's just that everyone had her own. Red has one, white has another.
      I would agree with you, if not for one thing, BUT! Above in the branch I mentioned Krasnov and Shkuro. You can recall the Cossacks who fought in parts of the Wehrmacht. For me, this fact is especially unfortunate, since by birth I myself am a Don Cossack. Nevertheless, the majority of that same “faceless” mass of White Guards somehow fought against Russia and against their people. I do not claim that the Reds were completely lamb, there were enough scum on both sides. But objectively the Reds fought for the integrity of the country and for the freedom of the people from the yoke of the bourgeoisie, and the White objectively fought against Russia and again against the people.
      Again, a lot of White Guards fought on the side of Franco, and after the war a lot of them and their descendants worked for foreign intelligence services against Russia. To say that they fought not against Russia but against the Soviet government is as stupid as saying that Vlasov was not a traitor ...
    3. 0
      10 February 2017 12: 45
      Quote: Old26
      I don’t know if the museum was preserved, where I first saw the portrait of Chapaev and was amazed that he is not quite the same as in the film


      The commander of the 25th Infantry Division Vasily Ivanovich Chapaev (with a bandage on his head) and the commissar of the division Dmitry Andreevich Furmanov (to the left of Chapaev) among the commanders and commissars of the Red Army after the capture of Ufa.
      1. +2
        10 February 2017 12: 48
        Quote: RUSS
        Dmitry Andreevich Furmanov

        Furmanov served next to Chapaev for only four months, but this did not stop him from writing a whole book in which the real Chapaev was turned into a powerful mythological image of the commander “from the plow”, who did not graduate from universities, but would break any educated general.

        By the way, Furmanov himself was not such a convinced Bolshevik: before the revolution, he adjoined the anarchists and ran away from the Bolsheviks only in the middle of 1918, when they began to persecute the anarchists, and he got his bearings in the political situation and changed camp. It is also worth noting that Furmanov not only turned Chepayev into Chapaev, but also changed his last name (during the war years he bore the last name Furman, that's what he is called in all documents of that time). Engaged in writing, he Russified his surname
        1. +6
          10 February 2017 17: 29
          And his father, a simple peasant, also apparently wore the Furman family.
          How do you want to give in the face to you and your friends, denigrating and slandering everything and Russia.
          1. +1
            10 February 2017 20: 58
            Quote: Ecilop
            And his father, a simple peasant, also apparently wore the Furman family.
            How do you want to give in the face to you and your friends, denigrating and slandering everything and Russia.

            Man do not boil, well, what are you dusting? Like that immediately in the face, let's try to refute this fact that Furmanov is not Furman, etc. I am not trying to denigrate Russia, I am for the historical truth about objectivity. Clear?
            1. +2
              11 February 2017 04: 03
              Objectivity for you is the crunch of French rolls. Everything else is black and terrible.
              1. 0
                11 February 2017 09: 22
                Quote: zoolu300
                Objectivity for you is the crunch of French rolls. Everything else is black and terrible.

                You are mistaken.
  11. +3
    10 February 2017 14: 52
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Uncle Murzik
    RUSS who is against it, let him hang an icon at home! belay

    We live in a free country. I want to place icons at home, I want to go at the head of the procession with the icon. And the fact that Poklonskaya was with the icon did not outrage many. I was more outraged by the students who were given photos of people unknown to them, and with these photos they came out with the Immortal Regiment, and the question - "who is in the photo?" they answered - "we don’t know, they gave us, we went ...."


    Yes, you are not only a monarchist but also a liberal at the same time
    1. +1
      10 February 2017 15: 42
      Quote: free
      Yes, you are not only a monarchist but also a liberal at the same time

      I will disappoint you, I do not adhere to monarchist views (but I respect the Romanovs with great respect), and even more so liberal ideas. Based on what you came to such strange conclusions?
      By the way, your nickname free it is liberal from Latin, so maybe you are a latent liberal or a latent liberal in another way?
      1. +3
        10 February 2017 18: 37
        RUSS Today, 15:42 ↑ New
        Quote: free

        I will disappoint you, I do not adhere to monarchist views (but I respect the Romanovs with great respect), and even more so liberal ideas. Based on what you came to such strange conclusions?
        By the way, your “nickname” is free from Latin liberal, so maybe you are a hidden liberal or latent liberal in another way?

        why are you mister good in Latin pushing because I am Russian and I don't care what it means to be free in Latin, and in Russian, free means having your own will read free.[i] [/ i]
        1. 0
          10 February 2017 19: 15
          Quote: free
          read free.

          Or vacant laughing
      2. +4
        10 February 2017 18: 41
        change nickname to terry monarchist (for russ)
        1. 0
          10 February 2017 19: 13
          Quote: free
          change nickname to terry monarchist (for russ)

          Why did it happen?
    2. +2
      10 February 2017 19: 36
      It is difficult to understand how monarchists, liberals and Whiteguards can be confused. These are absolutely different categories of people, according to their convictions. And why respect for their history, their past, the tsarist period of history, causes such hatred. Only Trotskyists and other internationals felt such hatred. And even in the comments of such "comrades" - to shoot, a bullet in the back of the head, in the face to give, a roast of the White Guards, etc., etc., not at all shy - the comments are arrogant, provocative.
      1. +1
        10 February 2017 20: 53
        Quote: bober1982
        It is difficult to understand how monarchists, liberals and whiteguards can be confused.

        They mix because of ignorance, ignorance, lack of education and not knowledge of the simplest historical events and facts.
  12. +3
    10 February 2017 18: 02
    Quote: ranger
    I know something about this because at one time I had a chance to study at a school in Lubny where my father, after the Frunze Academy, commanded one of the regiments in the division ...

    At what school did they study, when and where did they live. And which regiment your father commanded.

    Quote: Alex_1973
    I would agree with you, if not for one thing, BUT! Above in the branch I mentioned Krasnov and Shkuro. You can recall the Cossacks who fought in parts of the Wehrmacht. For me, this fact is especially unfortunate, since by birth I myself am a Don Cossack. Nevertheless, the majority of that same “faceless” mass of White Guards somehow fought against Russia and against their people. I do not claim that the Reds were completely lamb, there were enough scum on both sides. But objectively the Reds fought for the integrity of the country and for the freedom of the people from the yoke of the bourgeoisie, and the White objectively fought against Russia and again against the people.
    Again, a lot of White Guards fought on the side of Franco, and after the war a lot of them and their descendants worked for foreign intelligence services against Russia. To say that they fought not against Russia but against the Soviet government is as stupid as saying that Vlasov was not a traitor ...

    I can agree with many things. And Shkuro with Krasnov is really a chritomatic example. But there was also Denikin, who refused to serve the Germans.
    We are just looking at you from our point of view, because our grandfathers fought for Soviet power against the whites. And they fought for their Russia, for Soviet Russia. The other side also fought for Russia. But for imperial Russia, for Russia of princes, counts, landowners. And yes, many of them subsequently went to serve the fascists, hoping in this way to destroy Soviet Russia, which they hated, and return their Russia. But that was their tragedy.
    As for the Cossacks, I absolutely agree. It was the rink of the Civil War, which divided the Cossacks into red and white sweat, and came back to haunting.
    1. 0
      10 February 2017 18: 14
      Quote: Old26
      At what school did they study, when and where did they live. And which regiment your father commanded.


      And for what purpose are you interested in? Also happened to be there or just idle curiosity?
      Why should I post all these details?
    2. +2
      10 February 2017 19: 17
      Quote: Old26
      The other side also fought for Russia. But for imperial Russia, for Russia of princes, counts, landowners.

      The other side fought "each for its own Russia" - monarchists, democrats of all stripes, nationalists, imperials, separatists ... And this pluralism ultimately ruined the whites.
  13. 0
    10 February 2017 18: 59
    Quote: ranger
    Quote: Old26
    At what school did they study, when and where did they live. And which regiment your father commanded.


    And for what purpose are you interested in? Also happened to be there or just idle curiosity?
    Why should I post all these details?

    He studied from third to ninth. Father served in the division. You can if you want in PM
  14. +2
    10 February 2017 20: 12
    Glory to Vasily Chapaev !!!
  15. +1
    10 February 2017 21: 12
    Trotsky is guilty, but did not think of it, or hesitate to write - the Jews are to blame for everything.
  16. +3
    10 February 2017 23: 41
    Apart from Samsonov’s absurd insertions about Trotsky’s “Voldemort”, the review about Chapaev is interesting.
    1. 0
      11 February 2017 09: 23
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Voldemort of Trotsky,

      Although the "red" he should bow down at the coffin of life for the creation of the Red Army.
      1. +3
        11 February 2017 19: 01
        I had this in mind. Trotsky can safely be called a villain and a fanatic, as one of the main Bolshevik leaders (if you are against the Bolsheviks), but sculpt on him a gloomy conspirator inside the comm. party is stupid. Rather, his opponents sinned by this - therefore they actually kicked him out.
        If you go back to Chapaev, then by the sum of all the information, he was a talented military tactician. Therefore, White had to conduct a difficult special operation to eliminate it.
  17. +1
    11 February 2017 18: 01
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Alexander Green
    and jokes with black humor were prepared by entire CIA institutions,

    Once again write such nonsense, I will show your comments to your wife and let you be ashamed


    You can show everything you want and to whom you want. Unlike you, my wife is well versed in the essence of the ideological sabotage of the bourgeois West against the Soviet people. Such ideological pearls were thrown into Soviet society that it was difficult to immediately recognize, because their effect affected only the years later on the younger generation.

    For example, many favorite children's cartoon - "38 parrots." At first glance, funny and harmless. But he accustoms children to the HUMOR OF NONSENSE, makes you think about the logic of long-established conceptual phrases in Russian, for example, “Say hello” - “Where is he?”, Etc.

    Here is what Parfyonov, a television journalist, said in his program “The Day Before” (I hope you know this subject) - he is already an expert on all the methods of destructive effects on the mind, a specialist in crippling souls, who knows the harmfulness of such cartoons and jokes. So Parfyonov noted that HUMOR OF NONSENSE AND RELATED TO HIM BLACK HUMOR - DO NOT PRESENT TO THE RUSSIAN, SOVIET MAN.

    After all, in everyday life we ​​do not think about combinations of phrases that have developed historically as a result of the development of the Russian language, and such cartoons push us to ridicule this property of the language, cripple the soul of the child, imperceptibly, gradually inculcating cynicism.

    “38 Parrots” is a book and cartoon by Grigory Oster, who has another harmful book - it’s called “Bad Advice” - a guide on how to grow (educate) little villains. This is also the humor of the absurd. There are such tips: “If you didn’t break the cup, you didn’t pull the pigtail, then immediately rude the teacher. Only then will you be a real man ”, or“ It is best to tease from the 8th floor ”

    This was all presented in such a way that the supposedly hooligan boy - a child, having read this, will understand and will do the opposite. This was presented to us as a vaccination for children against stupidity, as in case of illness. And what really is? These stories fell upon the fragile souls of children, who still could not comprehend the information received, and did their dirty work. Compare with Mayakovsky, “What is good and what is bad?”, Where he clearly explains everything. Feel the difference.

    Sortirik writer M. Zadornov was not far from G. Oster, but in this matter he made a fortune by ridiculing Russian fairy tales and Soviet songs.

    Akin to the humor of absurdity and black humor, Parfyonov cited a whole series of jokes thrown into the children's world such as "The boy found a machine gun in the field - no one lives in the village again." Such jokes carried a clear anti-Soviet.

    The bourgeoisie well understands the power of both black humor, and absurd humor, and simple humor, and uses them effectively. So in Ukraine, many admire the courage of jokers from the “95th quarter,” who ridicule the actions of the government and political leaders. Everyone is delighted, but few understand that laughing at a really serious problem, it no longer seems so acute, and everyone resigns to corruption, the war in the Donbass, and much more ...
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      11 February 2017 19: 09
      I have not read more obscurantism for a long time.
      Red hat also ban? "Why do you have such big teeth, grandmother?"
      "And to eat you, girl." Ha ha ... Black humor ...
      The Humpbacked Horse - also in the furnace: "the youngest was at all Dr." This is a classic absurdity!
      D-b-il - the main character.
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        11 February 2017 20: 16
        Quote: voyaka uh
        I have not read more obscurantism for a long time.
        Red hat also ban? "Why do you have such big teeth, grandmother?"
        "And to eat you, girl." Ha ha ... Black humor ...
        The Humpbacked Horse - also in the furnace: "the youngest was at all Dr." This is a classic absurdity!
        D-b-il - the main character.


        Unfortunately, you are not given to understand the danger of black humor. Your example with Little Red Riding Hood showed that you do not see the difference between him and normal fairy tales, and in Ivanushka the "fool" you only see morons, and M. Zadornov, mocking Russian folk tales, for example, concludes that the Russian a lazy nation.
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          11 February 2017 23: 58
          The test for a sense of humor is very simple: The patient comes to the doctor. "Tell me exactly where your pain is concentrated?" "Head." "And why is the bandage on the leg?" "Crawled down."
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            12 February 2017 01: 40
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The test for a sense of humor is very simple: The patient comes to the doctor. "Tell me exactly where your pain is concentrated?" "Head." "And why is the bandage on the leg?" "Crawled down."


            This is too simple a test ... Most understand it, but what I wrote is not all ... and the brothers from the creative intelligentsia used it, dragging the anti-Soviet on the screens, and after the 1991 coup, bragged about it, and even thwarted applause, and, unfortunately, Zhdanov was not in their way ...
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              12 February 2017 11: 23
              By your logic, jokes about Lieutenant Rzhevsky were invented
              in the city committees of the CPSU smile , as part of anti-monarchist campaigns
              cynicism and rudeness of the royal officers. "
              Everything is simpler: simple people from different layers came up with jokes, moreover
              sometimes immediately in hot pursuit of an event.
              Example: after rumors of an attempt on Brezhnev, literally on the following days
              a joke appeared: "Why didn’t you get into Brezhnev?" "Because the crowd was in the way
              arrow - everyone shouted "give me, give me!".
              Brezhnev, who was in deep senility, was despised by all sections of the population -
              hence the jokes.
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                12 February 2017 11: 47
                Again. Someone didn’t like the eyebrows. But they didn’t let 3 smell the cakes of the Jewess from the Smolny’s cupboard. They’re all wrong. The insult presses
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                12 February 2017 14: 28
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Everything is simpler: simple people from different layers came up with jokes, moreover
                sometimes immediately in hot pursuit of an event.


                These, dear, are all methods of information war against the Soviet Union. The CIA had a whole doctrine, attributed to Alain Dulles. It can be argued arbitrarily that this is a fake, but it cannot be denied that we were laid out that way.

                Doctrine of Alain Dulles
                “We will throw everything we have, all the gold, all the material power and resources to fool and fool people. The human brain, the minds of people are capable of change. Having sowed chaos in Russia, we will quietly replace their values ​​with false ones ...
                We will find our like-minded people, our assistants and allies in Russia itself. Episode by episode will be played out the grand tragedy of the death of the most rebellious people on earth, the final extinction of his identity.

                From literature and art we ... will gradually erase their social essence by weaning artists, we will discourage them from engaging in image, research ... of the processes that occur in the depths of the masses. Literature, theater, cinema - everything will depict and glorify the most base human feelings. We will do our best to support and raise the so-called artists who will instill and hammer into the consciousness the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in a word, all immorality.

                In government, we will create chaos, confusion. We will quietly, but actively and constantly contribute to the tyranny of officials, bribe takers, and unscrupulousness. Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and will not be needed by anyone, will turn into a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear ... and the enmity of peoples, primarily enmity and hatred of the Russian people - all this we will cleverly and inconspicuously cultivate.

                And only a few, very few will guess or understand what is happening. But we will put such people in a helpless position, turn them into a laughing stock, find a way to slander them and declare them to be the scum of society ...
                In this way we will shake generation after generation ... We will fight for people from childhood, youth, we will always place the main stake on young people, we will begin to corrupt, corrupt, and corrupt it. We will make cosmopolitans of them ”
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                  12 February 2017 15: 16
                  You quote the stupid fakes (fakes) that ru. Does not throw
                  "to the information market" every day. Fake quotes, originals
                  which does not exist in English.
                  Diagnosis: hopeless ... sad
                  hi
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                    12 February 2017 15: 50
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    You quote the stupid fakes (fakes) that ru. Does not throw
                    "to the information market" every day. Fake quotes, originals
                    which does not exist in English.
                    Diagnosis: hopeless ..


                    I’m saying that you can dispute how much you want, that these are fakes, but try to refute that we weren’t decomposed.
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                    12 February 2017 15: 59
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Diagnosis: hopeless.


                    By the way, watch the video, maybe your diagnosis will change.
                    http://antisionizm.info/Plan-Dallesa-podtverzhden
                    ie-ofitsialno-i-otkrovenno-482.html
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        20 February 2017 19: 18
        How smart, however, are the bourgeois coming out and which of our citizens are meaningless, eh? They don’t understand anything, they don’t see anything, they don’t understand ... Well, maybe their Dallas are right all sorts of e ... all physiologisms? With fools, that's just what you need! Fortunately, this is not at all true. Americans, for example, are not able to understand the essence of Morozko’s tale at all, and for them the film is just a dark forest. And can such people eventually come up with something that is deeply rooted in the mentality of Russians? It's ridiculous! So to declare this is not stupid, this is a theory of a conspiracy of pure water that hit the head of a former sailor who was hit by a head with a wave on the side of the ship. Hence all the problems that he demonstrates here in VO.
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    11 February 2017 19: 53
    Quote: bober1982
    It is impossible to imagine Samara without this monument



    The monument to Vasily Ivanovich Chapaev in Cheboksary is considered the main, there is also a museum in his name.