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Plant "Hammer" for sale

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Vyatka-Polyansky manufacturer of small weapons - “Molot” plant (included in Rostec), which went bankrupt 5 years ago, is put up for sale by the bankruptcy commissioner, reports Kommersant.



As the manager noted, “all the company's debts with the sale of the complex will not succeed: the assets put up for auction are estimated at 1,5 billion rubles, while Hammer’s debt to creditors reaches 2,4 billion rubles.”

In addition to the property, intellectual property is included in the bankruptcy estate: “patent rights to 13 inventions, 11 utility models, 12 industrial designs and exclusive rights to 16 trademarks,” the material states.

According to experts, “taking into account restrictions on access to trading and a very small state order for small arms, finding a buyer for Hammer will be quite difficult.”

It is reported that problems with orders from the city-forming plant began in the 2008 year. Production was stopped several times, the government allocated subsidies to the enterprise to pay off wage arrears and establish work. However, in 2012, the plant entered bankruptcy proceedings at the suit of Nizhny Novgorod OOO Metsnab, a metal supplier to which the plant owed 1,25 million rubles. The external control procedure was introduced in the 2013 year.

It will be difficult to sell the plant because of the current situation in the market of small arms and civilian weapons.

The manufacture of small arms is now not very profitable, because its reserves have remained in Russia since the times of the Great Patriotic War. In addition, now the priority of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has shifted towards the new high-precision weapons, and although small tenders for the supply of machine guns are sometimes held, the plant can hardly count on large-scale state defense orders,
- said expert in the field of armaments Maxim Pyadushkin.

As for civilian weapons, hunting and sporting weapons, the USA was the largest market for their sales; however, after the introduction of sanctions, this market was closed for Russian manufacturers, while the remaining foreign markets accounted for a few percent in total exports,
- he added.

“The plant has long been turned into the notorious“ suitcase without a handle ”: it is heavy to carry and it’s pitiful to quit. It is possible that Rostec will simply shift the plant from one pocket to another, or the company will give someone a load. In any case, before the 2018, the plant will be provided with a minimum load, as hundreds and hundreds of people work on it, and the unrest may cause popular unrest, and on the eve of the presidential election in 2018, no one needs a new Pikalevo, ”the newspaper said. source in the defense industry.
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  1. MoJloT
    MoJloT 7 February 2017 17: 43
    +13
    He can be given money even for one name.
    1. Teberii
      Teberii 7 February 2017 18: 01
      +26
      Recently there was an article about the bankruptcy of diesel, now we sell gunsmiths. All yelling give money, here is the result, you need to be able to manage.
      1. Shelest2000
        Shelest2000 7 February 2017 19: 36
        +17
        Yes, where does it "manage" ... All over the world the production of riflemen is profitable, but in Russia - no. It’s just that all countries producing small arms have a good domestic market for selling civilian and military versions of the military and many civilian options with very reasonable prices. Besides Russia and the UK. Well, arrogance is a separate issue. But even in Ukraine with a gunner it was much simpler than ours, this moronic 5-year experience for rifled was absent. T.ch. nothing to be surprised ...
        IMHO, but liberalization of the right of ownership of weapons by Russian citizens (naturally and by application) would create a multiplicity of jobs and extend arms factories to a cost-effective level.
        1. tatarin_ru
          tatarin_ru 7 February 2017 22: 55
          +8
          Yes, that's just the presence of firearms in a lightweight formula will significantly add to the problems and unrest, already throughout the country. And the headache, an example - traumatism, also shouted, jobs, the economy - as a result, lawlessness on the roads and not only.
          But even in Ukraine with a gunner it was much easier,

          Yes, I remember Maidan, golden eagle, shooting ...
        2. vovanpain
          vovanpain 7 February 2017 23: 27
          +10
          Quote: Shelest2000
          but liberalization in the right of possession of weapons by Russian citizens (naturally and by application) would create a multiplicity of jobs and extend arms factories to a cost-effective level.

          Yes, yes, colleague, the shooter pulls while crime and ritual business wink
          FOUR UNKNOWN ON THE NORTH OF MOSCOW TAKEN FROM THE UNEMPLOYED BAG WITH 10 MILLION RUB.
          Here nifiga yourself went unemployed request Businesses close, 10 Lyamas taken away from unemployed laughing I’ll go to the unemployed, for how many years I’ll earn 10 poms, given that I have a pension. laughing
          1. Uncle Murzik
            Uncle Murzik 8 February 2017 05: 41
            +3
            vovanpain unemployed turned out to be a former police officer! wassat
            1. Military Builder
              Military Builder 10 February 2017 06: 25
              +1
              Colonel Zakharchenko went to the bakery
        3. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 8 February 2017 03: 01
          +5
          Quote: Shelest2000
          IMHO, but liberalization of the right of ownership of weapons by Russian citizens (naturally and by application) would create a multiplicity of jobs and extend arms factories to a cost-effective level.

          Yo mine! Another nonsense of the "arms lobbyist"!
        4. Sirocco
          Sirocco 8 February 2017 03: 48
          +5
          Quote: Shelest2000
          But even in Ukraine with a gunner it was much simpler than ours, this moronic 5-year experience for rifled was absent.

          We in Russia now all through one place. As with weapons, as with hunting licenses, the prices for them, the lawlessness of rangers in the forest who are the first poachers. Well, for a snack, there was information about the alleged initiative of the Russian Guard, to impose an annual tax on owners of firearms. Soon taxed, both in the sun and in the air with rain. Where are we going? They introduced food cards to the poor, and they set Cuba and India as an example, the scribe, they’ve come, Cuba certainly sends rockets into space. There is no need to give a fishing rod to the needy, but they offer fish. Probably we will continue to have problems with jobs. Judging by Buryatia, with the outflow of the population, jobs are not expected. Alas.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 8 February 2017 04: 34
            +2
            Quote: Sirocco
            Here they introduced food cards to the poor, and as an example they put Cuba with India, the scribe,

            Well, take America as an example. We also give the poor food stamps (foodstamps). Well, the truth is already about 10 years old, or even more so, they are not issued in cash, but transferred to a special card, such as a credit card, which you can pay for products (but not manufactured goods, and even more so a smoke or a booze). Progress, adnaka.
            1. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 8 February 2017 05: 45
              +1
              the unemployment benefit in our Omsk region is 5600 rubles with a living wage of 9600 rubles! if you don’t get settled within a year, then 1000 rubles! wassat
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 8 February 2017 07: 43
                +3
                Quote: Uncle Murzik
                if you don’t get settled during the year

                You are still liberal. We have a maximum of 26 weeks paid for unemployment, and then 0. True, they pay slightly more, 80% of the last salary, but no more than $ 677 per week. But our cost of living is slightly different from the Omsk region.
                1. Uncle Murzik
                  Uncle Murzik 8 February 2017 12: 12
                  0
                  Nagan still move to us in Russia, in the Omsk region, since we have better! wassat
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 7 February 2017 19: 46
        +14
        Quote: Teberii
        Recently there was an article about the bankruptcy of diesel, now we sell gunsmiths. Everybody screaming, we’ll give money, here’s the result for you,

        here’s the upsurge in the economy ... even military factories are degrading. no ... not okay "in our kingdom" ....
        1. Berkut24
          Berkut24 7 February 2017 23: 17
          +2
          Why are you all panicked?
          And shooters do and diesel. New, more technologically advanced industries are just starting up, including purely commercial ones rather than state ones. The Soviet military-industrial complex inevitably had to die out, and instead a more flexible and cost-effective structure came. Well, it will never be such that almost 70% of enterprises work for defense.
          And we don’t need so much weapons anymore. The Moscow Region complained that they did not know where to put dozens of unnecessary Kalash from warehouses.
          1. Military Builder
            Military Builder 10 February 2017 06: 35
            +1
            Quote: Berkut24
            The Soviet military-industrial complex inevitably had to die out, and instead a more flexible and cost-effective structure came

            it may be so, but as it turns out in practice - it’s all through ..., the USSR should also be replaced by a “more flexible and cost-effective structure”, and it came only profitability did not settle in the state treasury
            1. Berkut24
              Berkut24 10 February 2017 10: 51
              0
              In the USSR, for 70 years, they went through such W ..., building up the economy with executions, executions, gulag, sharazhki, hunger ...
              Building an economy is a long process. Samples, mistakes ... The Western system has also outlived itself, and we cannot take it as it is. you need to build something more thoughtful and viable for much less money. we are just groping for what we need. This new system should not be born in factories, but in people's heads. There is not a year or ten. here sometimes generations are needed.
        2. co-creator
          co-creator 7 February 2017 23: 45
          +4
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          here’s the upsurge in the economy ... even military factories are degrading. no ... not okay "in our kingdom" ....

          Here in my city built a new cannon factory, and the old ones closed. Is it right that the old ones closed? Undoubtedly. Now imagine that a new plant would not be built in my city. and next door. It would be about the same news - byad, they closed the plant.
          Old and excess production needs to be closed; it’s another matter that in the same city it is necessary to build new ones to replace jobs.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 7 February 2017 18: 11
      +8
      They will sell them for bricks for local dachas and scrap metal. We have been practicing this since the beginning of the 90s. There really are no "Medevic innovations", because there is nothing to cut. laughing
    3. tchoni
      tchoni 7 February 2017 18: 11
      +12
      They gave. Did not help . I propose lobbying the arms law in China. And, with a hammer, hold an action. I bought a shotgun - a ticket to the duck - as a gift. Dice - on the hog
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 7 February 2017 19: 19
        +16
        what I want to note: this is not Ukraine, and not the Baltic states. neigh?
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 7 February 2017 19: 43
          +8
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          what I want to note: this is not Ukraine, and not the Baltic states. neigh?

          We will neigh if we do not cry! The city-forming plant and if the owner is not "found" it will be hard for the local people.
          Governor of the Kirov region there was a liberoid Nikita Belykh - sitting in jail.
          In April 2013, a criminal case against the former plant manager Gennady Brusnigin was sent to the district court for consideration on the merits. The ex-head is accused of hiding the money and property of the organization. In total, as a result of Brusnigin's actions, over 827 million 463 thousand rubles were hidden, due to which a tax arrears should be collected, with the existing tax and duty debt of more than 53 million rubles. During the preliminary investigation, Brusnigin fully admitted his guilt.
          It's a shame! The product range is impressive: AGS 17, AG 17A. "Vepri", pump-action, traumatism, consumer goods.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 7 February 2017 19: 27
        +8
        Quote: tchoni
        hold an action. I bought a shotgun - a ticket to the duck - as a gift. Dice - on the hog

        I take AKMS - what do I get for the promotion?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 7 February 2017 19: 32
          +22
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          I take AKMS - what do I get for the promotion?

          - ticket to Medvedev
          - but - one way, no one has canceled the protection there yet
          “Are you still taking?” And exactly AKMS? wink
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 7 February 2017 19: 50
            +8
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            “Are you still taking?” And exactly AKMS?

            wrap up ...
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 7 February 2017 19: 51
              +3
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              “Are you still taking?” And exactly AKMS?

              wrap up ...

              - footmen in the store ... request
              - and no one has yet canceled a certificate from "psychos", as far as I remember
              - good luck .. on the way wassat
              1. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 7 February 2017 19: 57
                +9
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Quote: Andrew Y.
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                “Are you still taking?” And exactly AKMS?

                wrap up ...

                - footmen in the store ... request
                - and no one has yet canceled a certificate from "psychos", as far as I remember
                - good luck .. on the way wassat

                you ask yourself, you yourself are rude ... I don’t understand ... why did you climb the topic?
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 7 February 2017 22: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                  you ask yourself, you yourself are rude ... I don’t understand ... why did you climb the topic?

                  Remind topic... "The Hammer Plant is for sale"
                  - And what side are your ... speculations?
                  - that's funny, huh? wink
            2. commbatant
              commbatant 7 February 2017 21: 19
              +4
              I don’t remember what happened to the one who encroached on the main "orphan" of Russia Chubais ...
        2. tchoni
          tchoni 7 February 2017 19: 46
          +3
          8 years of strict regime. Stocks
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 7 February 2017 19: 52
            +7
            Quote: tchoni
            8 years of strict regime. Stocks

            I hope Kvachkov will be a neighbor ... we have something to talk about ...
        3. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 7 February 2017 21: 04
          +8
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          I take AKMS - what do I get for the promotion?

          Write me to the squad, got it all angry
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 7 February 2017 21: 01
        +16
        In any case, until 2018, the plant will be provided with a minimum load, since hundreds and hundreds of people work on it, and the closure of the city-forming enterprise can cause unrest, and on the eve of the presidential election in 2018 no one needs a new Pikalevo, ”the newspaper said source in the defense industry.

        This paragraph killed on the spot, in it the whole essence of what is happening in our country!
        Gaspads do not need excitement before the election, and after the election does it mean that grass doesn’t grow?
        Guys, then I have a solid maaaaat.
        How long?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 7 February 2017 21: 24
          +4
          Quote: Stroporez
          This paragraph killed on the spot, in it the whole essence of what is happening in our country!

          - welcome hi
          - My name is Roman ... usually they don’t call me at all, I come ... well, oh well ... if you introduce yourself, I will contact you by name. And then - to call a person with a knife shaving ... uncomfortable request
          - the point is that you, a colleague, do not understand the problem
          - go search at least on this thread, nickname Asadullah... he explained everything quite clearly there.

          And nefig so YELL laughing
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 7 February 2017 21: 29
            +2
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - welcome

            Hi Hi hi
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            And nefig so yelling laughing

            Roman, you know, sometimes it’s like to shout like that, already laughing
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 7 February 2017 21: 46
              +4
              Quote: Stroporez
              sometimes so the hunt to yell, already

              - Yes, it’s not a question ... I’m the same, but I just won’t find work request
          2. You Vlad
            You Vlad 7 February 2017 23: 46
            +1
            Roman, how can he not yell? After all, he’s apple-fruit pepper! I slipped the video with Boldyrev where he “revealed” the whole uterus laughing By the way, Boldyrev was involved in the PSA. It seems true that the money went ...

            More information at http://voprosik.net/kto-takoj-yurij-boldyrev/ © QUESTION
        2. tatarin_ru
          tatarin_ru 7 February 2017 23: 02
          +2
          The recipe for this case.
          Download the shooter, shoot everyone, take your soul, then a hundred, hit the wall with your fist, break what you wanted for a long time, but it was a pity, get enough sleep.
          Nothing will change, but you will kill time. wassat
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 7 February 2017 19: 18
      +9
      “The plant has long turned into the notorious“ suitcase without a handle ”: it’s hard to carry and it’s a pity to leave. It is possible that Rostec in the end will simply shift the plant from one pocket to another, or the enterprise will be given to someone in the load.

      Give the plant to the "successful" association of RUSNANO and
      let e-fake simulators lift it,
      and then celebrate New Year's profit and give out bonuses!
    5. Titsen
      Titsen 7 February 2017 21: 55
      +1
      Quote: MoJloT
      He can be given money even for one name.


      I have two Hammer weapons in my safe - very cool stuff!

      The bankruptcy is far-fetched!
    6. Baloo
      Baloo 8 February 2017 08: 31
      +1
      It must be reprofiled. Doesn't medicine need anything? Endoprostheses, beds (functional ones are needed so that you don’t have to put them on the gurney once again, so that you can take pictures on it so that the dimensions fit into the elevator), care products, the same Balkan frames, skeleton traction tires, modern operating tables (years 10 ago, an American orthopedic table such as Olby 1945 issue-lendlise) and a wheelchair were sent to a landfill. rehabilitation equipment, simulators and mechanical devices, etc. ... Enough to feed the west, east and south, we have to do something else besides rockets. crying
  2. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 7 February 2017 17: 43
    +9
    Here they are definitely sanctioned .... earlier mattresses really bought a lot of weapons from them ...
    1. DMoroz
      DMoroz 7 February 2017 17: 57
      +8
      Previously, hunting and civilian rifle were not bad ...
      Here they are definitely sanctioned ....

      they have had bankruptcy proceedings since 2012, and they imposed sanctions later ...
      1. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 7 February 2017 21: 01
        +1
        Just if before the sanctions they had a chance to get out. It was due to the foreign customer that after the introduction he disappeared completely.
        It seems to me that if the rules for obtaining weapons are not weakened, we will be left without civilian gunsmiths ...
        1. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri 8 February 2017 11: 09
          0
          Damn, but I was just about to buy a snipe, I draw up documents ...
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 7 February 2017 18: 09
      +13
      The gendarmerie special forces themselves were procured from them. Moreover, they quite used them in recent events - in RAID assault groups.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 7 February 2017 18: 10
        +10
        Here are some recent events.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 7 February 2017 18: 11
        +11
        Well, the protection of Holland when visiting the scene - also with the Boar.
      3. sergo1914
        sergo1914 7 February 2017 21: 35
        +6
        Not just special forces. I also bought.

    3. Per se.
      Per se. 7 February 2017 18: 23
      +28
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Here they are definitely sanctioned ...
      Rather, capitalism itself. The Omsk tank factory went bankrupt in May 2015, and problems arose there long before the sanctions. How many enterprises have died in Russia now, on the site of which, at best, are shopping centers? How many design bureaus, testing grounds, stands, educational institutions have been lost ... How can the country's defense issues be left to the merchants, "effective managers" living with short-term profits, and a revenue growth schedule? So we get an illustration to compare how, in 25 years, it was possible to build a powerful Soviet Union from a semi-literate country dependent on the West under tsarism, after military devastation, and, like in 25 years, having inherited a nuclear and space superpower, plundered and shaved what the great price was paid by our grandfathers. We are still driving to the Soviet margin of safety, further, if capitalism was picked up from the landfill, they are again dependent on the West, the world transnational monopolies, the world who won the Anglo-Saxon system, the leaders and owners of the already established system of world capitalism, laws and rules in which not for the prosperity of the colonies were invented, and certainly not for the good of Russia. As long as those in power keep their loot, earned by “overwork” in dollars and euros, keep their treasure in the banks of the West, “their hearts will be there”, and the interests of Russia, the interests of the people of Russia, will be for them insofar as squeeze it out yet. Personally, I do not believe in the bourgeois blessing for Russia, and without the return of our true independence, without renewed socialism, I cannot imagine a happy future, and confidence in tomorrow, which should be for Russia.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 7 February 2017 18: 52
        +1
        Quote: Per se.
        Rather, capitalism itself.

        The reasons in the article were voiced to you and they are quite clear.
        What does capitalism have to do with it? Or do you have to pull the plant at all costs?
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 7 February 2017 19: 17
          +15
          What does capitalism have to do with it? Or do you have to pull the plant at all costs?


          What does capitalism have to do with it? Yes, despite the fact that profits should be invested in the development and modernization of production, and not in the salaries of directors and others close to him ...
          Do you know why the bulk of people in productive labor have low wages, and the leadership is excessively (in connection with what calculation) high? They raise the same percentages for everyone ... It was just that initially the salary below was several times lower than that at the top ... Tell me what will happen in this situation? All the profits of the enterprise will go to pay salaries ... Capitalism has nothing to do with it, this is its essence:
          “Capital,” says the Quarterly Reviewer, “avoids noise and abuse and is distinguished by its timid nature. It is true, but that is not the whole truth. Capital is afraid of lack of profit or profit too small, just as nature is afraid of emptiness. But once sufficient profits are available, capital becomes bold. Provide 10 percent, and the capital agrees to any application, at 20 percent it becomes lively, at 50 percent it is positively ready to break its head, at 100 percent it violates all human laws, at 300 percent there is no crime that he would not risk, at least under pain of the gallows.


          PS Do you remember such a quiet governor of Chukotka? I have not heard a single speech from him ... Compare with Zhirinovsky ...
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 7 February 2017 20: 03
            0
            Quote: yuriy55
            You know why the bulk of people in productive labor have low salaries, and the leadership has excessively

            In military factories, workers' wages are on average higher than workers in "civilian" factories.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 7 February 2017 22: 02
            0
            Quote: yuriy55
            PS Do you remember such a quiet governor of Chukotka?

            By the way, Abramovich is still remembered with a good word in Chukotka.
          3. RUSS
            RUSS 7 February 2017 22: 07
            +4
            Quote: yuriy55
            .Capitalism has nothing to do with it, its essence is this:

            Forget what you were taught at school and watch TV less, and fly to Western Europe and see what capitalism is and how and for what people work there, you will be surprised.
            The trade unions and the "social package" really work there, the employers of the trade unions are afraid like fire. The labor law works flawlessly.
      2. tchoni
        tchoni 7 February 2017 19: 42
        +11
        My friend. The death of the USSR was predictable. The country in which rockets are built and in which people under construction live on 200 bucks is doomed. It is frightening that Rossiushka also turns there. Once again, by the way
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 February 2017 19: 57
          +2
          “It’s scary that Rossiyushka also turns there.” And why are we turning there? - In Russia, they produce everything and will continue to produce it. And the USSR provided everyone with 50 countries of the world — you live great, thanks.
          1. cap
            cap 7 February 2017 20: 55
            +4
            Quote: Vadim237
            And the USSR provided everyone with 50 countries of the world — you live great, thanks.


            Relieved in 50 countries, and not swollen from abundance, a little strange however. Maybe the thing is completely different?
          2. tchoni
            tchoni 7 February 2017 22: 06
            +5
            But because the people of Russia have repeatedly robbed by the collapse of the ruble .... The average sn in the country from 800 - 1000 bucks has slipped to 400-500. And after that, some finance ministers tell us that it would be nice to depreciate the ruble. And then, at existing oil prices, the stabilization fund does not replenish .... And he, this very stabilization fund, was precisely called upon to maintain a stable ruble exchange rate. What is it for, if the task does not perform. Remind about raising the retirement age? Inevitably increase. And, with such trifles, in a few years we’ll come to 100 bucks pay.
        2. vvnab
          vvnab 7 February 2017 20: 12
          +16
          Remembering the salaries in the USSR, for some reason everyone stubbornly "forgets" about public consumption funds. And this is medicine, kindergartens, and free education (even the second or third higher), and numerous palaces of culture and creativity, and free circles / sections, and subsidies for railway and air tickets, and almost free public transport, and trips in the sanatorium, and affordable tickets to the theater and cinema (cinema for children, almost free), and much, much more ...
          In total, this gave no less than $ 1000 a month (and possibly many times more, depending on how you count).
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 7 February 2017 22: 01
            +2
            Quote: vvnab
            In total, this gave no less than $ 1000 a month (and possibly many times more, depending on how you count).

            Give the person $ 1000 and let him decide what to spend it on: in kindergarten, sections, etc., or maybe Thailand, or do you like when the state manages your 900-hundred dollars and pays you 100 or 150 for your salary?
        3. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 7 February 2017 20: 52
          +16
          tchoni Today, 19:42 ↑
          = My friend. The death of the USSR was predictable. The country in which rockets are built and in which people under construction live on 200 bucks is doomed. =
          As you already got, predictors hr-you. Every person in life has stages. Me too. So, in 1979. in spring I was discharged, and in the fall I got married. As a result, it was necessary to acquire property. 1980 I come to the store, and there ... the choice is awesome (!) Ukrainian, Belarusian, Russian, Armenian refrigerators. Big, small. Chose, bought. I come to another store - televisions, black and white, color, with such a diagonal, with this. Chose, bought. Same thing with a washing machine. I emphasize, - paid in cash. What are you talking about 200 bucks blathering? I, a fitter electrician, worked at a factory and received from piecework-premium wages from 220 to 250 rubles. per month + wife 140. Let me remind you, this is under Brezhnev. And now the next step. 1986 I return from the liquidation of the Chernobyl accident, and go to the other end of the city because it is there that the department store is located, where they put the participants in the liquidation of the accident on the line to purchase ... a vacuum cleaner (!!!) There was nothing in the stores. No refrigerators, no televisions, no st. Cars from the word at all. And now the question is for tchoni and where did it go? After all, factories producing household appliances continued to work and fulfill His Majesty the PLAN! Let me remind you, it was at, not by night will be remembered, Humpback. How did it happen that suddenly, overnight, cigarettes disappeared in the stores, and then they said across the box that the tab. steel factories for repairs. All! At the same time !!! There are many examples. And now try not to sing from someone else's voice, but to think with your own brains and analyze. And you come to one single correct conclusion - the shortage of consumer goods was created purposefully! In order to make it easier to break up the USSR and Sov. Power! USSR and Sov. The authorities were killed intentionally !!!
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 7 February 2017 21: 32
            +8
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            the shortage of consumer goods was created purposefully! In order to make it easier to break up the USSR and Sov. Power! USSR and Sov. The authorities were killed intentionally !!!

            Definitely +100500
            I support and completely agree. soldier
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 7 February 2017 21: 44
              +3
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Sov. Power! ... and owls. Power

              - guys ... no need to look for malicious intent where everything is fully explained ... incompetence, to say the least
              - a consequence of Murphy’s law, by the way, if wink
              1. vvnab
                vvnab 8 February 2017 00: 08
                +3
                There is nothing to do with incompetence, everything was done completely consciously, with the goal of making money by robbing the people.
                Until 1985, in the USSR, there existed 2 (in some 4 sources) a contour system of money circulation. And the whole mass of cash was provided by consumer goods according to the Plan. And in 1985 this system was broken (once again - quite consciously!), Allowing enterprises to withdraw their cashless funds. in cash and away we go ...
          2. Jackking
            Jackking 7 February 2017 22: 28
            +9
            Absolute truth. And this is very clearly visible in the Yeltsin center (Schaub it fell apart) - they present empty shelves in stores as a result of socialism. And they say that the only salvation is to let prices go free. And lo and behold, everything appeared on the 2nd day after the holidays, but in commissions and at multiple prices! This is productivity - in 1 day to produce goods throughout the country! wink
      3. asiat_61
        asiat_61 7 February 2017 20: 43
        +5
        The task was set to ruin Russia, which the Vedmedev team is doing successfully. Everything is privatized, and what can be ruined.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 February 2017 20: 54
          0
          “The task was to destroy Russia, which the team is doing well and successfully.” Who was assigned when? - So far, we have only an increase in production - despite the crisis.
      4. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 7 February 2017 21: 13
        +6
        Quote: Per se.
        Personally, I do not believe in the bourgeois blessing for Russia, and without the return of our true independence, without renewed socialism, I cannot imagine a happy future, and confidence in tomorrow, which Russia should have.

        Thanks for the comments, I join and fully support. soldier
      5. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 7 February 2017 22: 06
        +2
        Quote: Per se.
        Personally, I do not believe in the bourgeois blessing for Russia

        It is surprising that the Japanese do everything with capitalism on a piece of land, but we don’t, and many again want to return to socialism, as much as you can shy from side to side.
        1. cap
          cap 8 February 2017 01: 15
          +3
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          It is surprising that the Japanese do everything with capitalism on a piece of land, but we don’t, and many again want to return to socialism, as much as you can shy from side to side.


          In Japan, a private store receives a guaranteed (by law) discount from the manufacturer from 10 to 20 (I won’t tell you) for goods laid out on shelves, you can bargain with him, because he knows the true price of the goods. You take more goods, he gives more discount. guaranteed by law. How much he leaves for himself is fixed by a cash register, without a check you won’t leave.
          It may not be a good example, but having bought a can of beer in a vending machine on the street, then the same beer in a private shop, but the packaging, every second can is free of charge. Here is the support of the entrepreneur. Or another example of the sale of used machines.
          Any used car sold to Russia is priced at $ 500 to pay taxes on this amount, and for you to pay the export duty, how much the Japanese bought and sold it to you, no one will ask him. This is his personal income, like he declares the difference, they refused to comment on me. But in the port cities, a dozen companies are doing this. Now, of course, not like before, the volumes have fallen but they are still there. The state is monitoring and regulating all this. Doors in the houses are locked, like on a mailbox . Therefore, tourists in a memo about behavior on the shore are asked: "- without the permission of the owners, batteries, tires and other things cannot be taken out of the house." A tourist who has fallen for any petty theft will lose the right to enter the country for 5 years.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 8 February 2017 14: 26
            +1
            Quote: cap
            In Japan, a private store receives a guaranteed (by law) discount from the manufacturer from 10 to 20 (I won’t tell you) for goods laid out on shelves, you can bargain with him, because he knows the true price of the goods. You take more goods, he gives more discount. guaranteed by law. How much he leaves for himself is fixed by a cash register, without a check you won’t leave.

            I bought a car in Hamburg (a relatively long time), at the same time a Russian ship came into the port, the men naturally bought it too, and a queue accumulated in the registration office, so everyone who had left the office and quickly sorted out the visitors, in five minutes all the questions were resolved . This is such capitalism.
  3. aleksfill
    aleksfill 7 February 2017 17: 47
    +23
    Temporary workers in the Kremlin, have not yet sold all of Russia, but the pace is such that everything will be sold out for the guarantor election.
    1. cniza
      cniza 7 February 2017 17: 50
      +8
      Nobody will take the plant under their armpits and take them anywhere, they need a reprofiling and the new owner will take care if there is one.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 7 February 2017 20: 28
        +11
        Quote: cniza
        Nobody will take the plant under their armpits and take them anywhere, they need a reprofiling and the new owner will take care if there is one.

        The new owner will rent bare buildings for shopping centers and warehouses. Another application is rare!
        1. cniza
          cniza 7 February 2017 20: 48
          +4
          This is where the state should work and say for what purposes and what types of activity - you just need to.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 7 February 2017 21: 24
            +3
            Quote: cniza
            This is where the state should work and say for what purposes and what types of activity - you just need to.

            while the state in ebony centers wants, pah.
            And ministries cannot repurpose the plant.
            I declare very clearly that, in fact, any defense plant can be re-classified for the production of other products.
            And we have what the hell mobilization economy, where will it come from?
            Site "made by us" will not mobilize anyone.
            It is strange that the people are silent, well, yes, because according to the slightly published data of VTsIOM, the worsening of the living standard of the population by another 25-30% will not lead to unrest.
            So sho endure the Imperials.
    2. dimann27
      dimann27 7 February 2017 18: 15
      +10
      Yeah!!! About 80 years ago, for such matters - immediately, 10 years of execution, and, every day, to death! And, despite the ranks and positions!
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 7 February 2017 18: 54
      +2
      Quote: aleksfill
      Temporary workers in the Kremlin, have not yet sold all of Russia

      Please list what and to whom the "temporary workers" from the Kremlin have sold for at least the last 5 years?
      Thank you.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 7 February 2017 20: 29
        +10
        Quote: RUSS
        Please list what and to whom the "temporary workers" from the Kremlin have sold for at least the last 5 years?
        Thank you.

        Rosneft from the last. You are welcome.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 7 February 2017 21: 09
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          Rosneft from the last. You are welcome.

          A deal to sell 19,5% of Rosneft to a foreign consortium of Glencore and the Qatar sovereign fund has been signed. Rosneftegaz will pay a special dividend to the treasury, Intesa Bank will give customers € 7 billion on credit.

          Sold part of the shares.
          1. Skeptic Self-Taught
            Skeptic Self-Taught 8 February 2017 02: 14
            +2
            RUSS
            Sold PART OF profit, if you do not understand. Future profit.
            And in general, think separately on the topic - what is investment, and why the hell are they needed in Russia with its current domestic policy.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 8 February 2017 09: 17
              0
              Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
              And in general, think separately on the topic - what is investment, and why the hell are they needed in Russia

              Investments are needed in the same fuel and energy complex, for example, in oil refineries, which, by the way, is one of the reasons for high gas prices in Russia.
              1. Skeptic Self-Taught
                Skeptic Self-Taught 8 February 2017 09: 26
                +1
                Need technology !!! - here is your answer.
                And I asked a question pr investment
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 8 February 2017 09: 43
                  0
                  Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
                  Need technology !!! - here is your answer.
                  And I asked a question pr investment

                  Without financing, there is no modernization.
                  1. Skeptic Self-Taught
                    Skeptic Self-Taught 8 February 2017 09: 44
                    +1
                    RUSS
                    Do not go away from the answer - what is investment and why do we need foreign investment under the current government
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS 8 February 2017 09: 54
                      0
                      Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
                      RUSS
                      Do not go away from the answer - what is investment and why do we need foreign investment under the current government

                      Without foreign money, we can’t pull out the economy.
                      1. Skeptic Self-Taught
                        Skeptic Self-Taught 8 February 2017 09: 56
                        +1
                        Just do not post liberoid nonsense here ...
                        Loans? And will you give it with “milk”? Or after ace - even though the grass does not grow ...
                        WHY Stalin preferred to borrow money from his population with a clear policy explained in all the mass media of the USSR - where and what money is taken for ...
                        And the non-current authorities are all in a tyhara ...
                        Oh, what am I telling you ...
                        EdRo is your everything.
      2. aleksfill
        aleksfill 7 February 2017 20: 39
        +6
        20% of Rosneft sold to Qatar, about three months ago, promised that the money to the budget
        they’ll do it, but for now they’re looking for candles with daylight - WHERE is the money, where is 12 lard of American rubles ?????
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 7 February 2017 21: 10
          +2
          Quote: aleksfill
          20% of Rosneft sold to Qatar, about three months ago, promised that the money to the budget
          they’ll do it, but for now they’re looking for candles with daylight - WHERE is the money, where is 12 lard of American rubles ?????

          The money from the sale of 19,5% of Rosneft went to Rosneftegaz. State holding prepares funds for transfer to the budget.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 7 February 2017 21: 35
            +7
            Quote: RUSS
            The state holding is preparing funds for transfer to the budget.

            recounted manually? Yes?
            1. Skeptic Self-Taught
              Skeptic Self-Taught 8 February 2017 02: 15
              +3
              Packs in boxes from under Xerox
  4. tax payerschik
    tax payerschik 7 February 2017 17: 52
    +9
    A big market will turn out. Hucksters will be happy.
    1. asiat_61
      asiat_61 7 February 2017 20: 45
      0
      And who will buy in this market?
  5. Alekseits
    Alekseits 7 February 2017 17: 54
    +7
    Quote: Alex_Rarog
    Here they are definitely sanctioned .... earlier mattresses really bought a lot of weapons from them ...

    There are no sanctions for another three years, and the plant went bankrupt five years ago. Maybe I don’t understand what, please explain.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 7 February 2017 18: 56
      +2
      Quote: Alekseits
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Here they are definitely sanctioned .... earlier mattresses really bought a lot of weapons from them ...

      There are no sanctions for another three years, and the plant went bankrupt five years ago. Maybe I don’t understand what, please explain.

      Just comrade Alex_Rarog heard a ring, but I don’t know where he is. Before commenting, you need to at least read the article.
  6. cap
    cap 7 February 2017 17: 58
    +24
    If you look at the situation in the country as a whole, there is no hunting for sports licensed completely, there are no shooting ranges, prices for civilian weapons and ammunition have been raised at times.
    Only a madman will shoot at banks now at a cartridge price of 30 rubles or more.
    He shot three times at the hazel grouse and missed, count the chicken from the pan escaped laughing
    The plant is certainly a pity, the staff is how many generations of gunsmiths are an invaluable asset. At this rate, brokers, managers, cooks and governesses will remain in the country.
    They are not allowed to state weapons.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 February 2017 20: 08
      +2
      Only what makes a profit and for which there is a demand within the country and abroad will work and develop in the country — this plant has no buyers, neither inside nor outside, of excess - large, narrowly focused industries, after the collapse of the USSR, there are a lot left - here they slowly fly out and the only salvation for them is a complete reprofiling.
      1. cap
        cap 7 February 2017 20: 18
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        .... here they are slowly flying out and the only salvation for them is a complete reprofiling.


        Sewing machines are no longer in fashion, and the Chinese can’t catch up. And what can you imagine as an alternative to an arms factory ..? Do you have any thoughts on this? Demand falls on everything, due to low purchasing power, if there are no protective duties in the sectors that are necessary for the state, and in demand on the market, we will remain the most coveted customers of Ali Express.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 February 2017 21: 03
          +3
          "Do you have any thoughts on this?" - To produce gyroscopes, a processing tool - drills, countersinks, taps, dies, reamers, milling cutters, cutters, etc., medical equipment - the same tomographs, only this will require the replacement of all equipment and a complete re-qualification of personnel - with the involvement of new ones. There are squares, but what they find will be produced by those who need it.
          1. cap
            cap 8 February 2017 01: 37
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            tools - drills, countersinks, taps, dies, reamers, milling cutters, cutters, etc., medical equipment - the same tomographs, only this will require the replacement of all equipment and a complete re-qualification of personnel - with the involvement of a new one. There are squares, but what they find will be produced by those who need it.


            Probably the Ministry of Industry and Trade is supposed to do this by job, the plant does not have money, or to an investor with good health and money.
            But back to earth.
            The Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade decided not to use the Soviet, but the American experience. This department plans to create an electronic food certificate by 2017 to help the poor.
            http://www.mk.ru/economics/2015/11/10/v-2017-godu
            -v-rossii-vvedut-produktovye-kartochki.html
            I hope that the employees of Hammer will not fall into this category. I really hope.
      2. Fox
        Fox 8 February 2017 05: 48
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Only what makes a profit, what is the demand inside the country and abroad will work and develop in the country

        drugs, prostitution, robbery.
  7. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 7 February 2017 18: 01
    +12
    Nizhny Novgorod Metsnab LLC - a metal supplier to which the plant owed 1,25 million rubles.
    Surely he is part of the Lisin or Potanin metal holding. For these metalworkers, the state harnesses the international market, and they bankrupt defense enterprises. It is not surprising, because all these are holdings with foreign participation and state interests are alien to them. You can only advise dismissed workers to go to Far East, there you give a hectare of land and spin, guys, as Medvedev advised, fit into the market t.s.
    The plant could be loaded with a civil order, do not really need the power that could do this:
    Anti-tank missile systems of the 9K115 Metis series
    RPG-29 manual anti-tank grenade launcher (GRAU index - 6G20)
    Kalashnikov RPK light machine gun (cartridge: 7,62 × 39) (GRAU index - 6P2)
    Kalashnikov light machine gun RPK-74 (cartridge: 5,45 × 39) (GRAU index - 6P18)
    Kalashnikov light machine gun modernized RPK-74M (cartridge: 5,45 × 39 mm) (GRAU index - 6P39)
    Kalashnikov light machine gun with folding butt RPK-201 (cartridge: 5,56 × 45 mm) (GRAU index - 6P55)
    Kalashnikov light machine gun RPK-203 (cartridge: 7,62 × 39 mm) (GRAU index - 6P8M)
    30-mm automatic grenade launcher AGS-17 "Flame" (GRAU index - 6G11, grenade launcher index with machine tool - 6G10, designation KB 216P)
    30-mm automatic aviation grenade launcher AG-17A (GRAU index - 9-A-800)
    30-mm automatic grenade launcher AG-17M (GRAU index - 6G11M)
    30-mm automatic grenade launcher with remote control AG-17D (GRAU index - 6G42)
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 February 2017 20: 11
      0
      All these weapons are already outdated and are being produced by other enterprises - the plant needs to switch to civil engineering products.
  8. aikon1974
    aikon1974 7 February 2017 18: 03
    +13
    This story is happening with many enterprises across the country, where there are many owners from Moscow. Enterprises and their teams are brought to the `` pen '', and then everything ..... Why do they need the lackeys who live outside the Moscow Ring Road.
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 7 February 2017 18: 55
      +3
      where there are a lot of hosts from Moscow


      There were owners from Moscow?
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 7 February 2017 18: 58
      +1
      Quote: aikon1974
      This story is happening with many enterprises across the country, where there are many owners from Moscow. Enterprises and their teams are brought to the `` pen '', and then everything ..... Why do they need the lackeys who live outside the Moscow Ring Road.

      This is not the case, if the plant makes a profit, then why bankrupt it? Non-profitable production must be closed or modernized or retrained.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 7 February 2017 18: 03
    +4
    It will take a new "Pikalevo" will do ..
  10. starshina78
    starshina78 7 February 2017 18: 05
    +13
    Like this ! First, "Hammer", then another defense plant, then a third, and then bam ....., but there are no factories! And the enemy is on the doorstep! Yes ! Although we now do not need plants that produce engineering products. they are left to their fate in the form of directors - owners. And they do what they want! Demolish workshops, cut machine tools on metal, dismiss valuable personnel (they need to pay a large salary, it is easier to bring a guest worker from the hinterland, ready to work for a penny), and then marriage, a drop in product quality, the refusal of customers to work with the factory and that’s all. Demolition and construction of another shopping center instead of a factory! sit and get a rental! Chic!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 7 February 2017 19: 08
      +3
      Quote: starshina78
      Like this ! First, "Hammer", then another defense plant, then a third, and then bam ....., but there are no factories!

      1) At the end of February 2015, a plant for the production of missiles for the S-400 and S-500 anti-aircraft missile systems was opened in the Kirov region.
      2) It took Russia two and a half years to reanimate the shipyards and military factories of Crimea, which Ukraine collapsed, said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin after a meeting on fulfilling tasks of the state defense order by Crimean enterprises in Simferopol.
      3) Polet JSC - a full-cycle parachute systems manufacturing enterprise. “In 2011, the plant fully expanded its facilities on the basis of a new site, which in 2007-2011 has undergone a complete reconstruction and modernization.
      4) Due to the severance of relations with Ukraine and Western sanctions, some Russian factories that use foreign components in their production have found themselves in a difficult situation. However the program import substitution, which was approved by the Russian government, should help cope with this situation.
      For example, gas turbines for Russian amphibious ships, which were manufactured by Ukrainian enterprises, can now be developed by Russian enterprises.
      “Engines for Murena boats are of the aviation type, similar to those installed on Mi-8 helicopters. Engines to the ship can be developed by NPO Saturn in the city of Rybinsk, ”the United Shipbuilding Corporation said. Due to the severance of relations with Ukraine and Western sanctions, some Russian plants using foreign components in their production found themselves in a difficult situation. However, the import substitution program, which was approved by the Russian government, should help cope with this situation.


      Design Bureau MiG will create a fifth-generation aircraft - Rogozin
      For example, gas turbines for Russian amphibious ships, which were manufactured by Ukrainian enterprises, can now be developed by Russian enterprises.

      “Engines for Murena boats are of the aviation type, similar to those installed on Mi-8 helicopters. Engines to the ship can be developed by NPO Saturn in the city of Rybinsk, ”the United Shipbuilding Corporation said.


      ETC,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 February 2017 20: 14
      0
      “Although no one needs factories in our country that produce mechanical engineering products.” This is what you say to yourself. You then definitely do not need it.
  11. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 7 February 2017 18: 10
    +16
    What can I say - we laugh at ukroiny, but they themselves have not far left from them, and our ministers still find excuses in order not to deal with the country's economy.
  12. Awaz
    Awaz 7 February 2017 18: 18
    +2
    the factory was breathing for a long time. For a long time it was necessary to somehow redesign and upgrade it. The city in which it is located for the Kirov region is quite large, and since it was a city-forming one, it really required a long time ago some kind of change in structure.
    all this nonsense with bankruptcy and resale will not change anything. If you approach the topic from the point of view of efficiency, you need to close it, leaving a small workshop to the maximum, or merge it quietly, surviving those who still know how to make weapons and are good at it. And then if you expel everyone at once, they will be able to start producing it at home, too ...
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 7 February 2017 19: 02
      +5
      For a long time it was necessary to somehow redesign and upgrade it.


      It is necessary to work, but why? When there, a dozen wise visitors to the site, consider that the state should finance such enterprises in a warehouse. Schaub, they were stupid .... and in general, how can one drive an enterprise into debt, with a state order? Only consciously. Because the state program provides for such enterprises a minimum state order, which allows the company to operate at zero balance. Everything else is the initiative of the enterprise itself. There is no initiative, or thieves' initiative, which means there is an observed result.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 7 February 2017 19: 28
        +4
        Quote: Asadullah
        and in general, how can one drive an enterprise into debt under state orders? Only consciously ...

        - damn it ... my applause ... I was looking for specially simple words, but you found them request

        Quote: Asadullah
        There is no initiative, or thieves' initiative, then there is an observed result

        - this “result” will be discarded ... using a procedure called bankruptcy
        - not a colonoscopy, for example laughing
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 7 February 2017 19: 37
          +2
          not a colonoscopy, for example


          Alas, the “Hammer” question is a long-standing one, pushing the whole volume into material. The distorted article just activates colonoscopy in discussions .....
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 7 February 2017 22: 11
        +5
        Quote: Asadullah
        Because the state program provides for such enterprises a minimum state order, which allows the company to operate at zero balance. Everything else is the initiative of the enterprise itself. There is no initiative, or thieves' initiative, which means there is an observed result.

        No need to bring down the sore head to the healthy.
        Our state is the most inefficient manager you can think of. Resource trading, banking speculation and the exploitation of the Soviet legacy is the top bar.
        How can a defense live without planning? Who calculated the needs of the army during the mobilization period?
        And with what fright does the defense enterprise provide some kind of horns and hoofs LLC there?
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 7 February 2017 22: 22
        +5
        Quote: Asadullah
        minimum state order, which allows the company to work at zero balance.

        And what s / p provides for a zero balance - minimum wage, or average static? recourse
  13. niki233
    niki233 7 February 2017 18: 19
    +3
    in a word WONDER
  14. Damir
    Damir 7 February 2017 18: 27
    +1
    pancake!!!! but I wanted to get a boar-3 ... m-yes ....
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 7 February 2017 19: 42
      0
      Quote: Damir
      pancake!!!! but I wanted to get a boar-3 ... m-yes ....

      So they did not stop working.
      In December, their brand store opened in Moscow.
      1. Damir
        Damir 7 February 2017 21: 53
        0
        Ie not all is lost .... and not "......... polymers" ???? it pleases ... well, what a handsome man !!!!!!!!!!
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 7 February 2017 22: 22
          0
          Quote: Damir
          .. well, what a handsome man !!!!!!!!!!

          41 thousand, along with delivery by Spetsvyaz, this will be 45 thousand plus stores, buy cartridges, buy a four-thread thread on trifles, and the whole thing will come out in the region of 60 thousand - oh well, expensive.
          1. Damir
            Damir 7 February 2017 22: 42
            +1
            Very good evening to you Dear Gray Brother !!!!! it’s generally such a thing .. it involves expenses .... I would love to buy TOZ-106 aka “Fist’s Dream” and “Death of the Chairman”, and in the version with NOT a folding butt !!!! but this device is discontinued !!!! SCS rifled like the creation of Captain Mosin ... that is, not from the start but only after 5 years without flying !!!! so that "Boar VPO-250-03" (not being an expert and not claiming the last resort in the dispute) is the most likely device to purchase ... with respect ....
  15. kagorta
    kagorta 7 February 2017 18: 28
    +3
    Do not take bankruptcy proceedings too badly. Now they will “throw” all the creditors, who are likely to profit from the difficulties of the plant, for a dime a clean enterprise will be bought by “Uncle Vasya”. They will not give much orders. My acquaintance, at one time from the Hammer, the Mauser K-98 carbine was also bought with eagles, he spoke quite storages there. This is what we must do, plus that the state will buy export.
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 7 February 2017 19: 19
      +4
      for a penny a clean company will buy "Uncle Vasya"

      2,4 billion, the minimum number of cents. A Belykh began to bankrupt the company. Assistance from the state was allocated to the plant, even Putin himself demanded a report from the Whites. Unused funds of the order of a billion rubles, who is to blame? Putin and his friends? The director and all his entourage are to blame. There were criminal cases (Brusnigin and Co.) and much more. What happened? And it happened that it was necessary to throw Rostekhnologii out of a controlling stake by any method, in this case, 100% fraudsters would not have allowed bankruptcy. It would be possible to gradually squeeze the state out of the enterprise. And now, now everything is as usual, they will divide the plant into a commercial part and under state order. They will sell the commercial part, and the rest, the state will sigh, pay the loss created by the pests and will continue to work.
      1. kagorta
        kagorta 7 February 2017 20: 53
        0
        The type of debts the company has for 2,4 billion is primarily salaries, taxes, and then other lenders. The contestant estimated the property at 1,5 billion rubles. That is, 900 million debts not covered by property (already less than 2,4 billion). Let the competent authorities deal with this issue, from where the difference is. So they will continue to offer to buy all this for 1,5 billion. But there will be no such idiots except the state. In the best case, they will buy for 600 million. And there will be a normal gesheft, they will pay wages, taxes will be written off, will there be anything big to the creditors.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 7 February 2017 21: 21
          0
          Quote: kagorta
          ... whether the creditors will get something big

          - For some reason I think that creditors will get a large jade rod ...
          - naturally, virtual request
  16. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 7 February 2017 18: 29
    +2
    Maybe Kalashnikov will take a detachment to the concern or he will be specially bankrupt in order to remove the kankurent crying Do not see more boars hunters
  17. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 7 February 2017 18: 30
    +8
    In the Kirov region, then only the Urzhum distillery will remain
  18. PBF
    PBF 7 February 2017 18: 33
    +4
    The saddest thing in this story is that the city-forming enterprise.
    “Patent rights to 13 inventions, 11 utility models, 12 industrial designs and exclusive rights to 16 trademarks”

    It seems only words, but how much labor is invested in it. And now they’re just selling it.
  19. SPLV
    SPLV 7 February 2017 18: 34
    +12
    I visited the factory in May last year. Impression was immediately ambivalent. On the one hand, world famous products. And on the other - the Soviet Union, and not only at the plant itself, but also around. The whole city is as if in the past, in the middle of the 90's. The factory’s square, a club, apartment buildings, cafes, shops - all remind of the past Soviet time. And the very process of selling weapons is set inconveniently. The shop at the factory only sells souvenirs and MMGs, and I was taken to the territory for weapons, I had to wait 15-20 minutes for each action (passes, permissions), as a result I spent an extra 2 hours there. But the quality of weapons - not to complain. Before traveling to Vyatskiye Polyany, I looked at the weapons of other manufacturers' weapons, equal in quality (in my opinion) imported guns - more expensive than a half to two. However, marketing is terrible. With questions about the special order, only the butt specialist could be offered, and even that would have to wait. The plant management does not care much about the opinions of consumers, it is enough to read the arms forums. If the government was interested, then five years ago it would have been possible to make a candy from the plant. But perhaps this was achieved - now the right person will get this “candle” factory for himself, it turns out that debts only on paper, will receive their profit, but only the state will not be cold or hot from this. Yes, and the residents of the city. The sad news.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 7 February 2017 19: 24
      +4
      Debts? Who should, for what and to whom? This is when they saved on defense and weapons? Like Napoleon’s:
      "The people who do not want to feed their army will be forced to feed someone else's"
  20. Tim
    Tim 7 February 2017 18: 37
    +10
    Gentlemen, thank you for the funny comments. Bankruptcy is not done right away, and systematically no one will close the sorry factory (Arms Factory) known around the world will not. Everything will just appear. O great savior, the form of a financial group owned by an oligarch from the close circle of the head of state. Then the owner will receive state assistance in the form of state subsidies and tax breaks. Well, what is 1.5 -2.5 billion rubles is nothing that anyone understands in finances. Once again I write that there is a change of ownership.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 7 February 2017 18: 45
      +5
      Quote: Tima
      Bankruptcy is not done immediately, but systematically ...

      - in order to clear the debt that the management of this ... um factory did. There are no others, and those are far (s)

      Quote: Tima
      no who

      - none. It is written in RussianО

      Quote: Tima
      It's simple

      - in your head. Yes, everything is simple there, I see even what you will write further ...

      Quote: Tima
      who understands in finance

      - You certainly don’t understand anything there .. why are you climbing into something incomprehensible? It hurts sometimes, it’s been tested on itself ... also when I was young I climbed where I don’t need to ... wean easily, yeah laughing
      1. Tim
        Tim 7 February 2017 19: 07
        +3
        Firstly, I am not Russian, secondly I agree that you wrote with errors, and I understand financial matters more than yours hi
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 7 February 2017 19: 12
          +3
          Quote: Tima
          Firstly, I am not Russian ...

          - my apologies for the nit-picking ... the bookworm and the bore, huh ...

          Quote: Tima
          I understand financial matters more than yours

          - um ... let's not face it ... nothing, huh?

          Bankruptcy of an enterprise controlled by the state is a way to dump dirt from this enterprise. In the form of debts, it is not clear to whom and for what and other, um, obligations.

          Here, “Kalashnikov” recently went bankrupt ... and what? They quit making machines?

          Sneakers do not tell. Not worth it yes
          1. Tim
            Tim 7 February 2017 19: 36
            0
            I don’t argue with you, they will produce products, I’m going to purchase VP products quality-price at a good level. Debts for such an enterprise are not large. Here is an example AvtoVAZ holding a controlling stake of 67,1 percent belongs to the RENO-NISSAN MOTORS alliance, every year the state of the Russian Federation pours billions of rubles into this enterprise. IMHO, as I wrote above, the company changes its owner, but I agree under the control of the state and its servants bully
  21. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 7 February 2017 18: 43
    0
    Does our state, represented by the Moscow Region, no longer need its products and competencies?
  22. Wolka
    Wolka 7 February 2017 18: 51
    +4
    this is an abnormal state of affairs, where United Russia doesn’t need a lot of intelligence to ditch one of the country's oldest weapons enterprises, bureaucrats steal billions and go free, but when the enterprise is in trouble nobody cares ... maybe they’ll throw a cap around people will help out
    1. In100gram
      In100gram 7 February 2017 21: 15
      +1
      Quote: Volka
      can throw a cap in a circle, people will help out

      Then the manager must be put on the people, who took off his cap yes
  23. cedar
    cedar 7 February 2017 18: 53
    +3
    Quote: Tima
    Gentlemen, thank you for the funny comments. Bankruptcy is not done right away, and systematically no one will close the sorry factory (Arms Factory) known around the world will not. Everything will just appear. O great savior, the form of a financial group owned by an oligarch from the close circle of the head of state. Then the owner will receive state assistance in the form of state subsidies and tax breaks. Well, what is 1.5 -2.5 billion rubles is nothing that anyone understands in finances. Once again I write that there is a change of ownership.


    HAPitalism ...
  24. Galleon
    Galleon 7 February 2017 18: 55
    +7
    The production of small arms is not very profitable now, because its reserves have remained in Russia since the time of World War II.

    Wow where the "armament expert" has bent! "Sleep well, the people of Baghdad. It is natural that they dropped the city-forming enterprise from the defense industry. They didn’t drop it, it itself fell - and no one is to blame." Perhaps this is how we should regard this "examination."
  25. APASUS
    APASUS 7 February 2017 19: 10
    +6
    If someone didn’t notice, it’s not the plant itself that is being sold, but its debts that exceed the plant’s value. There’s a generally strange approach to such a sale, given that this is a city-forming enterprise. In the West they tried to start the plant again first, protecting it from creditors for 3-5 years , and we are stepping on a rake again, we have already given part of the industry to private hands once ..
    Give an order for the production of sighting systems for UAVs, armament for UAVs, temperature sensors integrated into the barrel from overheating, ammunition sensors for robotic systems. Fire control systems again for UAVs.
    In the end, just give ORSIS to Labaev, even if they produce their weapons
  26. 1536
    1536 7 February 2017 19: 10
    +5
    Find in Russia at least five brands of small arms of all modifications that you would like to buy? You will not find. Unless necessary or from hopelessness. And the look is outdated, and the assembly is worthless. This applies to smoothbore and rifled weapons. And there are millions who want to purchase. And hunters, and athletes, and amateurs to relax not with a bottle in the bar, in the dash, developing an eye, accuracy and responsibility. Despite the difficulties with the design, very many people would have acquired weapons. Do not forget about pneumatics. Children like to learn to shoot on not expensive, but beautiful guns and pistols. So a stream of Turkish and Chinese weapons surged into the country.
    It is easier for the government to close the plant and purchase berdanks from the Turks than to do its reconstruction to produce modern products. We are not talking about restructuring, nor about creating small enterprises, about anything. Only sell and close! They do not need highways, neither factories, nor farms, nothing. Maybe you don’t need such a government with such a chairman?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 7 February 2017 21: 22
      0
      Quote: 1536
      Find in Russia at least five brands of small arms of all modifications that you would like to buy?

      Go to the concern website Kalashnikov
      https://kalashnikov.com/product/firearms/sporting
      -firearms /
  27. jeka424
    jeka424 7 February 2017 19: 11
    +3
    Everywhere in Russia, factories are ruining the system, they came up with the 5c system, they supposedly threw away all the excess now there are no spare parts at our enterprise, Accept alcoholics from different cities, officially there is no set. But these physical examinations do not pass, they are not certified as expected, but they buy crusts and this company is known all over the world. equipment of the 60s, and the fact that the new was purchased is not provided for a specific production.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 7 February 2017 21: 23
      0
      Quote: jeka424
      Everywhere in Russia, ravages are ravaged

      What plants are you talking about? Link, photo or just from memory call what kind of plants?
      1. jeka424
        jeka424 7 February 2017 22: 11
        +2
        I’m writing about my plant specifically, and they are closing it in the Urals and not only
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 8 February 2017 09: 19
          0
          Quote: jeka424
          I’m writing about my plant specifically

          Does the plant have a name? Or a secret? laughing
          1. jeka424
            jeka424 8 February 2017 10: 24
            +1
            where they produce titanium, you think they will write how the situation is, in the office of information everything is fine, only there is no employment
  28. webdog
    webdog 7 February 2017 19: 30
    +2
    Now the whiners will run ...
    everything is lost, everything is closed!
    cast removed! customer is leaving! etc...
  29. faterdom
    faterdom 7 February 2017 19: 33
    +8
    Financial capital is stifling industrial, so in the States, and in a more grotesque form, among us. Tell me - what should be produced or what should be sold in order to cover loans at 25% or more, and even make a profit?
    Well, except for hawthorn, or "whiskey" single-pan with it?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 February 2017 21: 22
      0
      If your company constantly takes loans for its activities, then it is worthless; it is stable - unprofitable.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 7 February 2017 21: 30
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        If your company constantly takes loans for its activities, then it is worthless; it is stable - unprofitable

        - Vadik Vadim, damn it ... there are not your volumes, and completely different problems
        - you are our clear ... belay
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 February 2017 23: 42
          0
          Of course not mine - mine completely pays for itself and brings substantial profit - because I don’t do machine guns and carbines - high-precision engineering is the key to success.
  30. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 7 February 2017 20: 24
    +1
    Who can leave, the rest will sniff
  31. Metallurgical
    Metallurgical 7 February 2017 20: 27
    +3
    Yes, such a glorious story, and such an ambiguous ending.
    The official foundation date of the Hammer factory. It was on this day that the hardware factory in Zagorsk, Moscow Region, was transferred to the USSR People's Commissariat of Arms system, and by the end of 1940 it became the headquarters for the production of the famous PPSh - submachine guns designed by the Russian gunsmith G. S. Shpagin.
    In 1941, the plant was evacuated to the working village of Vyatskiye Polyany of the Kirov Region and placed at the base of the bobbin factory.
    Among the first who arrived were G. S. Shpagin with his family, the young F. I. Treschev - the director of the plant, N. F. Makarov - the author of the famous PM pistol. A total of 3609 people arrived.
    In early December 1941, they sent the first batch of legendary weapons to the front. Over the years of the war, the factory’s team produced more than half of all machine guns delivered to the front by Soviet industry — more than 2.
    By the way, the first Soviet scooter is also theirs.
    The Kalashnikov concern may become a potential buyer of the plant in Vyatskiye Polyany.
    More details about the sale - http://kirov.newskey.info/ns/2665090/
  32. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 February 2017 20: 38
    +3
    A specialized factory that does not find sales of its products is DOOMED. And there’s nothing to break the spears here - no sales - no cash flow, production "sits" on the credit needle with regular re-lending - the road to nowhere.
    1. Damir
      Damir 7 February 2017 22: 27
      +1
      in order to sell this rather specific product, changes in laws are needed !!!!
      until there is a normal law on weapons and self-defense, there will be no sale by gunsmiths in the domestic market ... on their own and to their friends and acquaintances - many would buy for half a year to go to the "babaching" combined with "barbecue" but .. .
  33. knight
    knight 7 February 2017 21: 06
    +1
    I’m not surprised at all. I am engaged in tuning Boar 12. Over the past two months I have been trying to order factory parts in good quantities at the factory. They don’t make contact on principle. They don’t answer the mail, it’s very difficult to get through, they promise to call back and do not call back. In dealing with this plant you really feel dumb. Because you can’t understand in any way why the plant refuses work, money? Moreover, for absolutely regular parts, for which it is not necessary to develop new documentation, equipment, etc. So the situation with the Hammer is absolutely logical. They just don’t want to work.
  34. sir_obs
    sir_obs 7 February 2017 21: 08
    +1
    Not otherwise Serdyukov began to work.
  35. In100gram
    In100gram 7 February 2017 21: 09
    0
    This plant Rostec needs to be included in the import substitution program. I do not think that they can only do trunks. The planned economy is not enough. There are areas, machines can be updated
  36. japs
    japs 7 February 2017 21: 22
    +3
    Let the redhead hitrolis redeem for his pocket money and give it to the Tula concern.
    Although, what am I talking about ...? Dreams Dreams...
  37. lav67
    lav67 7 February 2017 21: 30
    +1
    effective managers however
  38. knight
    knight 7 February 2017 21: 34
    0
    Yes, the sense of this program! Understand that the factory workers themselves do not want to work properly. try calling the factory and ordering something. See what happens. Worse than with the Hammer, I had only with the Krasnogorsk Zenith. I sent an application for purchase, and they answered after 4 months! And then they sent ... Perhaps this is still the Soviet style of work. They think that clients will run after them, but they need IM ...
  39. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 7 February 2017 21: 42
    +1
    There will not be, therefore, a new Snipe. Sadness
  40. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 7 February 2017 21: 48
    +1
    "In addition to property, objects are included in the bankruptcy estate .." then there should be a listing of property and real estate, accounts starting from the heads of the enterprise, ending with the last manager. as well as their families and "grandmothers with aunts" !!!
  41. knight
    knight 7 February 2017 21: 50
    0
    Quote: Captain Nemo
    There will not be, therefore, a new Snipe. Sadness

    Himself looked at VPO201M, but apparently not fate ...
  42. NordUral
    NordUral 7 February 2017 22: 49
    +2
    Do not wash, so ride. Bankrupt and destroy. It’s time to shorten the little hands, then it will be too late.
  43. viktor.
    viktor. 7 February 2017 23: 54
    +1
    I was lucky to become the owner of a carbine driven at this factory, an excellent weapon.
  44. Wad
    Wad 8 February 2017 02: 56
    +2
    "There is no money, EVERYTHING was stolen, although there is no money, but you are fastening," said Medvedev.
  45. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 8 February 2017 07: 35
    +1
    how long will the enterprises be closed !!! ? all hunting stores are littered with imported guns !!! dear! do we really not know how to make expensive and convenient weapons, not limited to alteration of wooden boxes ???
  46. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 8 February 2017 19: 09
    +1
    It is also necessary to deal with the prices of the supplied metal - are there, as usual, schemes with kickbacks! And so any enterprise can be led to bankruptcy, and then bought for a penny and used for different warehouses and mini-production! At one time, the state lost control of such enterprises, hoping for the long arm of the market! stop
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 8 February 2017 20: 26
      0
      Dear Vlad5307!

      Tell me please, where does blind trust in the word "state" come from for many, including you?
      Each government official who had a hand in bankruptcy, the deliberate closure of an IMPORTANT FOR DEFENSE country of an enterprise or just a working plant, has a SURNAME, and his signatures are on all documents.
      Why, under Stalin, any problem had a SURNAME and PESTS were liable up to the landings and the "capital measure", and now the whole country is UNPUNCHED BROKEN!
      And do you see the modern reasons: “the market, you know”, for a turner ZP 16.500r for manaherov from 150.000 and higher !?
      And the prosecutor’s office, together with the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Investigative Committee and the courts, DO NOT PROTECT THE LAW, but only “cover” their own with money, communications and calls from the right people ...
      The reason for the bankruptcy of factories, and not just defense, not in factories, but in power !!!
      Whose interests does the Russian government defend?
      Citizens of Russia or systematically complies with the instructions of the "financial managers of the world" to prepare for the collapse of the now whole RF?
      And do not take into account the "patriotic appeals" of the highest authorities.
      Just remember the words spoken more than 150 years ago by Mikhail Evgrafevich Saltykov-Shchedrin:
      "If in Russia they say about patriotism, know that somewhere they stole something!"
      Michael, Smolensk.
  47. Vitalson
    Vitalson 9 February 2017 11: 36
    0
    And after the election they’ll take it apart for scrap.
  48. Vitalson
    Vitalson 9 February 2017 11: 39
    +1
    Quote: cap
    The plant is certainly a pity, the staff is how many generations of gunsmiths are an invaluable asset. At this rate, brokers, managers, cooks and governesses will remain in the country.
    They are not allowed to state weapons.

    So our sworn friends lead our country to this with the hands of Chubais, Medvedev ...
  49. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 28 February 2017 13: 39
    0
    Quote: tatarin_ru
    Yes, that's just the presence of firearms in a lightweight formula will significantly add to the problems and unrest, already throughout the country. And the headache, an example - traumatism, also shouted, jobs, the economy - as a result, lawlessness on the roads and not only.

    I would ask not to be confused ... with a finger. Buying and pulling injuries represent it in the form of a "long arm with a fist", they say, "limited defeat" is not fatal, not military ...
    According to the research institute of the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation, up to 50 thousand criminal murders occur annually in Russia. However, the cops, as usual, lie - their statistics do not take into account the dead in the hospital / house / street from the infliction of grievous bodily harm. And it turns out another figure - 12-15 thousand. We add here tens of thousands crippled during the attacks on them, raped, simply beaten, hundreds of thousands of robbed - and it turns out not at all ridiculous "figure". And if weapons in the hands of citizens can, by such a "figure", reduce the number of crimes by at least a third (as in the Baltic states, Moldova, Georgia, ...), then the legalization of the short-barrels should have been introduced yesterday.
    Quote: vovanpain
    Yes yes colleague, the shooter pulls while crime and ritual business wink

    I agree. There is only one caveat (remember the anegdot)) - this is an illegal "shooting"! Which will go for the planned crime with a legal trunk? it’s the same as having a passport abandoned by a corpse.
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Yo mine! Another nonsense of the "arms lobbyist"!

    Justify.