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The Maritime Exclusive: Dr. Tom Fedyshin on the state of the Russian fleet

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The Maritime Exclusive: Dr. Tom Fedyshin on the state of the Russian fleet



The development of the Russian armed forces, which has been observed in recent years, as well as participation in some military operations, has attracted the attention of military and specialists in many countries. Based on known data and unconfirmed information, attempts are being made to determine the prospects for the further development of the Russian army and fleet, including in the context of the global military-political situation. Some foreign attempts to analyze the situation and predict its further development are of some interest.

1 February, the American edition of The Maritime Exclusive, specializing in matters of the naval sphere, published the material “Dr. Tom Fedyszyn on the State of the Russian Navy ”(“ Dr. Tom Fedyshin on the state of the Russian fleet ”) authored by Ashley O'Keefe. The publication in the person of its correspondent asked the specialist a few questions about the current situation and possible scenarios. Here is the translation of this article.

E. O'Keefe begins an article with a small introduction in which she reminds us that the current operation in Syria and some other episodes of the work of the Russian Navy lead to natural results. The attention of foreign countries once again drawn to Russia, the former enemy of the Cold War. The task of the new article was to study the current state of affairs, namely the modernization of the Russian Navy and the recent events related to it. A retired US Navy officer and professor at the Naval College Thomas R. Fedyshin helped to study the situation.



E. O'Keefe: Let's start with a very simple question. Why should we still be interested in the navy of Russia? It seems that lately, the rise of the Chinese navy has been of greater interest.

Thomas Fedyshin: It seems that more people in the US Navy are more worried about the Chinese navy than about the Russian. I can confirm this: I was a specialist in the Russian fleet for a very long time, I have been doing this for about 20 years. During this time, no one called me! I am sure that the phone of my colleague who has studied China is calling regularly.

However, the world has changed. Remember what happened a couple of years ago. For two decades Russia has been a “former enemy,” which is now becoming a partner. The country was changing and more and more resembling the western ones. And we were shocked when Russia annexed Crimea in the 2014 year, started a hybrid war in eastern Ukraine and attracted everyone’s attention. The country that collaborated with us in both 1998 and 2005 was now listed as a combination of adversary and aggressor in NATO documents. Thus, their armed forces, which, as it seemed to us, pose no threat, and which participated in joint exercises with us, have now become a potential aggressor. Command in general and intelligence organizations in particular should pay special attention to this issue.

EO: Where is the Russian navy currently working? Does it remain in the same areas where it was before? Is the Russian fleet a real threat?

TF: Those who are old enough can remember the old fleet of the Soviet Union. For 15-20 years, it was the effective equivalent of the American Navy, although it had fewer carrier groups. In other words, the Soviet fleet was superior to us in the number of submarines and was equal in the number of surface ships. The USSR was present in all regions where the US Navy also worked. However, after the 20-year break came, when the Russian fleet was "in a coma." That is why for a long time nothing was heard about the Russian Navy. The situation began to change in 2008, when the fleet began to receive enough money, began to learn and work out the interaction. As a result, now Russian ships can be found in any part of the world. In some regions, the grouping of Russian ships is a serious force, while in others - "one, two and miscalculated." But we note that 15 years ago there were no Russian ships in the Atlantic or Mediterranean Sea ... And now they are everywhere. However, this is not always a serious force that should be considered at the highest level.

EO: British First Sea Lord Admiral Philip Jones said a few days ago that he had recently recorded the highest level of activity of the submarine forces of Russia in the last 25 years. Similar news we heard not only from the British, but also from the commander of NATO. If this is true, then how serious is the situation?

TF: Returning to the turn that happened at the beginning of the two thousandths. I will say only what was indicated in open sources and the press. I will briefly describe the situation. In 2001-2003, Russian submarines were virtually absent in the Atlantic. It is obvious that the Atlantic Ocean can become one of the main theaters of military operations of the hypothetical Third World War. Therefore, it is impossible to compare the situation when there are no Russian submarines in the Atlantic with figures cited by F. Jones. From 2008, we have seen a steady increase in the presence of Russian boats, at 5-15% per year. So, at the moment, Russia's submariners spend a total of 1500 days in the World Ocean for the year. The proportion of the length of duty in the Atlantic is growing. So we do not start from scratch, but we have to look at large numbers again. Of course, this is not the level of the Cold War, but the trend of constant growth is clearly visible.

EO: The term GIUK Gap is sometimes mentioned in conversations about submarine forces. The generation that found the Cold War no longer knows what it is. Can you tell us about the current state of affairs and plans of the command about this system?

TF: GIUK Gap is an essential element of defense. The Greenland-Iceland-UK line is the area through which any Russian submarine wishing to get into the Atlantic Ocean must pass. The passage of the Soviet boats was a real challenge, and the challenge was accepted. In the area of ​​GIUK Gap, an advanced submarine detection system was created. All sorts of sonar complexes were present, submarines were on duty. In addition, one of the largest anti-submarine aircraft groupings P-3 was deployed in Iceland. If you were a Russian submarine, then the probability of your discovery would be very high. For two decades, there was almost no activity in the GIUK area, but now the presence of a large number of submarines is recorded there.

EO: We are not used to receiving news about Russian aircraft carriers. We thought that "Admiral Kuznetsov" for a long time will be under maintenance or repair, but instead he went to the shores of Syria. What are the successes of this ship, and what can its combat work tell us?

TF: First, one important point to be noted about Russian aircraft carriers. Russia has been talking for many years about the future construction of aircraft carriers. But in fact, it did not go further than talk. Seen shows that the Russian industry is not very well able to build large ships. With the exception of submarines, large ships are worthy of a D or D- rating. Of course, aircraft carriers are also concerned.

So, when the Russian command will be able to control the sea, we will talk about the use of aircraft carriers. I do not think that at least once there was a time when the Russian command did not think about building such ships. But now the situation is different. To participate in the military operation managed to find only one aircraft carrier with a limited aviation group.

It is necessary to take into account that “Admiral Kuznetsov” is the most important representative of the Russian fleet, including for reasons of prestige. He is unique and capable of performing tasks in a way that other ships cannot. As a result, the Russians are very proud of him. In addition, the Russian media, 20 years ago, being free, is no longer so free. The press is controlled by the government and is a propaganda tool. If the authorities can attract the aircraft carrier to participate in combat operations, then the background information will be appropriate.

EO: From this point of view, the next question may seem silly. What about the upcoming project for the 23000E Storm? The Defense News publication previously wrote that Indian naval forces might be interested in such a ship. Will a new ship be built? Will Russia make new attempts to build such ships?

TF: The Russian economy is primarily based on the export of minerals. A little less money the country receives from the sale weapons. Russians export almost as much as the USA! At the same time, the Russian economy is smaller, which is why arms revenues are of great importance. So, when you observe the deployment of new systems, sometimes it is associated not only with your own security. A significant part of the new weapons is supplied to demonstrate the current level of technology to potential customers. You mention the Indian fleet. When I was in Moscow, there were many officers from India - more than from other countries. Why? Because Russia has good relations with this country and regularly sells new models of equipment for the fleet to it. 70% of ships and submarines of the Indian Navy obtained from Russia.

I spoke with Indian officers about the procurement of Russian products. They are not too fond of purchased ships due to suboptimal characteristics and operational problems. However, they can afford to buy such ships. Similar offers from the USA have a couple of problems: the American industry reluctantly sells products with high technologies, and besides, it puts a big price on them. Budget constraints force the Indian fleet to buy Russian ships. Russia will have to continue working on Storm, with every chance to sell it to India.

But we must remember history aircraft carrier Vikramaditya. It was delivered four years later than the planned deadline and cost the customer 300% of the initial estimate. All the Indian officers with whom I had to communicate, said that this is not the best ship, but India needs an aircraft carrier. In addition, the country could afford it, and eventually got what it received. If the new “Storm” really turns out to be successful, then the Indians will have to solve the issue of the site for construction. India intends to independently build its first nuclear aircraft carrier, but its own shipbuilding industry leaves much to be desired.

What will the Russians do? I would assess the situation with pessimism. When they talk about new ships, it's about building 3-6 units. But in fact only two can be built. It seems that Russia is leaning towards the construction of an atomic aircraft carrier, but judging by the publications in the press, there is no unity in this matter. The Russians will also have to find a shipyard capable of building a ship with a displacement of 65 thousand tons. Probably, the aircraft carrier will have to build in the form of two large structures and then connect them. I am not a shipbuilder, but I understand the complexity of such works.

EO: Let's change the topic and talk about the new Maritime Doctrine released in 2015 year. What has changed in it relative to the previous version?

TF: The previous doctrine has operated since 2001, and I am familiar with it. This is important because you want to explore the differences of the new document from the previous one. If you read the American doctrine, you might have noticed that the current document and the 2007 document of the year have noticeable differences that influence the development of the fleet and shipbuilding. The same applies to the Russians. In 2001, Russia presented its version of plans for the future, and it seemed that they were compiled without the participation of the naval command. As if the ministers of trade, tourism and energy wrote the whole document, and only after that they invited the fleet commander. It was clearly a naval, not naval doctrine.

In 2015, President Putin signed a new doctrine, for which a special stage was built on board the completely new frigate “Admiral Gorshkov”. The solemn ceremony was attended by fleet and army commanders, a national security adviser, etc. But the heads of trade, tourism and other departments were not invited, since the new document is seriously different from the previous one. The new document has to read theses like "the Russian Navy must oppose the work of foreign ships in the Arctic", "NATO is the main threat, which requires grouping in the Atlantic" or "it is necessary to organize a permanent grouping in the Mediterranean".

Remember that for many years the Russian ships almost did not go to sea. In 1989, we observed how the 5 squadron was leaving the Mediterranean. We thought that this was a military trick and that cat and mouse with submarines and so on were waiting for us. But they are all gone! The commander convened the ship commanders and said bluntly: “We have nothing more to do. Any suggestions? ”I suggested arranging 15 visits to ports in the region. I had to go to the "cruise". But now the world has changed. The Russians are back in the Mediterranean. The grouping consists of large ships 7-10. In addition, they have reasons to send ships - the threat of NATO. In the case of the Pacific, Russia is inclined to consider China and India as friends. Russia is not afraid to point to growing fleets.

In accordance with the doctrine of growing all the fleets of Russia. The Black Sea Fleet had to withdraw from its bases, but the well-known events in the Crimea make it possible to increase its numbers. Other fleets will also grow, quantitatively and qualitatively. Finally, there are big plans for the construction of new ships. There is a developed industry, as well as the task of building new ships. In general, the new doctrine seriously changes the situation. A well-known meeting with the participation of President Putin and the Minister of Defense, held on board the Admiral Gorshkov, also speaks a great deal.

EO: Let's take a separate look at the Russian modernization plan. There is a general strategy, and the plan is part of it. First of all, let's talk about the surface fleet. How is Russia going to develop and modernize it?

TF: They have such a plan, and I will give you some information. Everything they say should be reduced by 50%. They lie and cheat when they talk about plans to build ships. When you compare what was said and what was built - it turns out about half. This is a question from the category of "how high Russian"? During the Cold War, there have always been controversies on this topic: “are they 6 feet? 8 feet? Or 5-6 feet? ”But for 20 years, the Russian fleet was“ 0 feet ”high. Almost nothing was built. The second largest fleet in the world has been “turned off” since 1989. The ships were tied to the berths and rot. Quantitatively, the fleet was large, but there were problems with the quality. Several ships under construction were sent for export. Ships and submarines were sold to Indonesia, India and China. Although several ships were built for themselves.

In 2008, the situation began to change. The construction of ships continued, but now everything was done more and more for themselves. In the 2000 year, there were not uncommon programs in which 14 years passed from bookmarking to handing over a ship. Funny, yes, but that was life. Russia has a small economy, it lost the Cold War because it could not keep up with the United States in spending. The Russians understood this, and therefore did not build a large number of ships, because of which money could run out quickly.

From about the 2005-2007 years - economists should give a hint here - the Russian economy has begun to rise. I do not want to talk about it with contempt, but Russia, to some extent, is an increased Nigeria - it depends on oil prices. If prices go up - wallets get fat, fall - revenues are reduced. The price of oil rose at 100 $ per barrel, and Russia had more money than it could spend. A new defense minister, Serdyukov, was appointed. Maybe in the West they know him badly, but in Russia they really appreciate what he did. He demanded that a lot of money be spent on all defense in general, and 40% of the total budget should be allocated to the fleet.

Much has been done to increase the operational readiness of the navy. It was clear that the fleet could not normally interact with the air force or the army. Remember what happened in the seventies and eighties in the United States? Under Serdyukov, it became clear that the conscription system does not allow normal training for seafarers. These were not the sailors that I would like to see on their ships. The new Minister of Defense indicated that appropriate construction is needed to be present at sea. The conscripts remained at the bases, and only contract workers were sent to the sea.

Remember, I said that in 2000-2002 years, Russian ships did not go to sea too much? Now they go out more often and without conscripts on board. Therefore, the fleet has become a qualitatively better force. And at the same time, the construction of ships is not only for third countries.

EO: Speaking of submarines, can you give a brief overview of such equipment and compare them with American submarines? Is it possible to achieve the same results as in the past?

TF: Russian submarines have never been as good as ours. But they were close in their characteristics and again approach them. There are two main areas in this area. First, strategic submarines with ballistic missiles. We can afford to have a fleet of control of the seas, while Russia does not. First of all, the Russian Navy - a fleet of strategic deterrence. So when they get money, they spend it, first of all, on strategic issues. The most successful program in this area is the Borey 955 project. Three such boats are already in the water, five more will be soon, which is why Western analysts consider the project a success. There is a big problem in the form of a Bulava rocket. In her past there were a lot of accidents, now the share of successful launches in 50% is received, which is regarded as a victory. But the missiles were deployed on carriers that are ready to move forward on duty. The Russians proudly say that the Boreas will be able to fire missiles directly from the pier, and this is true. Earlier, Russia had a fleet of strategic submarines, and now it will be with her again.

In the area of ​​multipurpose submarines, Russia has a very ambitious project. It is notable for low noise and a large number of new systems. Such boats are similar to the American types LA and Vigrinia. With all its advantages, the new Russian boat is too complicated. It is hard to believe that the head "Severomorsk" will be followed by seven more ships. I think this will happen, but it will take a long time to get to work, almost like custom-made car production. Submarines will be too complicated for mass construction. As soon as the first submarine went out to sea, conversations began about new projects with hypersonic rocket armament and more sophisticated equipment. Summing up, we can say that the program of multi-purpose submarines is much more successful than others. In this area, the Russians have concentrated their talents and money. It was there that the main successes of the Cold War were obtained, and now there will be something similar.

EO: Let's continue the conversation on the topic “Russians can build ...” and talk about missiles. What do last year’s rocket launches by Russian corvettes from the Caspian Sea?

TF: As the cynics say, "guys, not many people will buy this." We are confident that the Russians want to sell their weapons at lower prices than the United States. It's great that the Caliber missiles can be launched from different directions and two platforms. The Buyan patrol boats, with a displacement of 1000 tons, carry eight missiles with an 1500 range of miles. Depending on the source of the information, up to 23 launches from 26 were successful. A quarter of a century ago, when we fired our first missiles, we had a higher failure rate. The Russians fired not only from ships, but also from submarines - completely new improved Kilo-class. A series of launches was carried out in the Mediterranean. Thus, Russia has a new weapon used in two areas. This is a complex weapon, and the world has noticed.

EO: We turn to larger areas and address the problems of maritime powers. Is it fair to call Russia a sea power? Most people would call it a land force. How are such questions reflected in the Russian strategy?

TF: True, basically Russia is a land power. But this is the “power of the earth”, which knows how to use opportunities on the seas in a thoughtful and purposeful way. I think that V. Putin is proud of his navy and identifies himself with him. Built a good and efficient fleet. After all, the Russian president is a master of judo. There were no celebrations of the Navy Day, on which the president did not appear. He seems to like the fleet, and he is trying to allocate sufficient funding for him.

I am not going to go far and call Russia a sea power, since it does not control large areas of the seas. However, she has admirals who were able to build a control system. The command of our 6 fleet should consider the situation and draw conclusions. The Russian fleet is still not too powerful, but it is no longer A2AD. If the US decides to fight with him on the Black or Baltic Sea or in the Arctic, then the matter will not end with a broken nose. Damage can be much higher. Russia has no personnel or traditions that allow it to operate in the vast Pacific or Atlantic Ocean, but it can do a lot near its shores.

EO: What would you consider necessary to tell our audience at the end of a conversation? How can I complete the conversation?

TF: I would like to sleep well. If our and the Russian fleet clash in open battle, then the US Navy has such an advantage that Russia will never get involved in this. As you can see, the Russian doctrine allows the use of hybrid methods - Russia is interested in dishonest methods. Thus, the equivalent of "green men" at sea can appear, and other provocation techniques can be created, which we just have to predict and take into account. Such actions will not have fatal consequences, but they can surprise and hurt us with pride. So you should prepare.

On the other hand (if Russia is regarded as an adversary or an aggressor), their military, like the former Soviet leaders, depends on the state of the economy. The low price of oil and Western sanctions show a negative impact on the Russian economy. Budget cuts were available in all areas. If you were a governor or a pensioner, the oblast budget or pension would be halved. But if you were the commander of the Navy, then your budget would not be affected. If the state of the economy continues to deteriorate further, the fleet command can reduce its spending. Because of this, all ambitious plans for the construction of aircraft carriers and destroyers will be postponed and resumed only in the future. But do not expect this to happen quickly.


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http://maritime-executive.com/article/dr-tom-fedyszyn-on-the-state-of-the-russian-navy
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  1. Comrade Stalin
    Comrade Stalin 7 February 2017 06: 58
    +13
    In general, he is right. It is unrealistic for Russia to build a fleet, at least comparable to the US fleet. We do not need aircraft carriers, since Russia does not have open access to the ocean. About the Baltic and the Black Sea can not be mentioned, no ocean here does not smell. The Pacific Ocean is too remote for us and the Pacific Fleet cannot protect Central Russia, which is the heart of the country. And the base there can serve only the south of Kamchatka, the coast of which does not freeze. Even the bay in Vladivostok freezes. And it’s just not serious to talk about the bases in the Kuril Islands. As for the Arctic, there only the coast of the Murmansk Peninsula is suitable for basing the fleet, since the rest of the Arctic coast freezes in winter. Russia needs a dozen or two light cruisers, BODs and destroyers that would defend the country's coast. Well, the most important thing to develop is the submarine fleet. Nuclear-powered submarine cruisers with ICBMs on board are the strongest trump card in strategic deterrence of enemies, and Russia should build them as much as possible.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 7 February 2017 08: 07
      +7
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      The Pacific Ocean is too remote for us and the Pacific Fleet cannot protect Central Russia, which is the heart of the country.

      laughing Well what are you. Comrade NOT Stalin, you consider Russia only the Grand Duchy of Moscow, we are already in the know!
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 7 February 2017 08: 14
      +3
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      Russia needs a dozen or two light cruisers, BOD and destroyersthat would defend the country's coast. Well, the most important thing to develop is the submarine fleet. Nuclear-powered submarine cruisers with ICBMs on board are the strongest trump card in strategic deterrence of enemies, and Russia should build them as much as possible.

      Ohhh yes you are a straight strategist !!!! bully And how many light cruisers (???), BOD, and destroyers must be included in the top ten - by the other? Well, the most interesting ... and who will cover your nuclear submarine cruisers with ICBMs ???
      1. Comrade Stalin
        Comrade Stalin 7 February 2017 08: 23
        +1
        A dozen or two light cruisers, a dozen or two BODs and a dozen or two destroyers. Is this clear?
        Quote: Serg65
        and who will cover your nuclear submarines with ICBMs ???

        Hmm ... Well, in fact, submarines do not have escorts like aircraft carriers, since the main advantage of submarines is stealth, and they do not need cover.
        Well what are you. Comrade NOT Stalin, you consider Russia only the Grand Duchy of Moscow, we are already in the know!

        Are you aware that 6 million people live in the entire Far East? That is, a little more than the population of St. Petersburg and one third of the population of Moscow.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 7 February 2017 08: 35
          +6
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          A dozen or two light cruisers, a dozen or two BODs and a dozen or two destroyers. Is this clear?

          what No, not clear! 10 some not clear light cruisers, 10 BOD and 10 destroyers, provided that you removed the Black Sea Fleet and BF from the list of fleets and that 30 ships into two fleets (SF and Pacific Fleet) ... are there many ??? wink
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          Hmm ... Well, in fact, submarines do not have escorts like aircraft carriers, since the main advantage of submarines is stealth, and they do not need cover.

          laughing laughing crying No comments!!!
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          Are you aware that 6 million people live in the entire Far East? That is, a little more than the population of St. Petersburg and one third of the population of Moscow.

          Iiiiii? And you know what. is there ten times more gold in the Far East than all women in Moscow and St. Petersburg?
          1. Comrade Stalin
            Comrade Stalin 7 February 2017 08: 41
            0
            Why did I cross out the KBF and the Black Sea Fleet? 30 dozen ships in 4 fleets is normal.
            What do you think is more important and more appropriate to protect: the Far East with a meager population or the ETR with a population of 120 million people? Especially in the Far East and there is no one to fight. The Chinese will not climb, the Japanese will not climb either. Korea can be forgotten altogether.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 7 February 2017 08: 48
              +4
              Quote: Comrade_Stalin
              Why did I cross out the KBF and the Black Sea Fleet?

              Yes, from here ..
              Quote: Comrade_Stalin
              About the Baltic and the Black Sea can not be mentioned, no ocean here does not smell.

              Quote: Comrade_Stalin
              30 dozen ships on the 4 fleet is normal.

              Good! 30 / 4 and that roughly three ships each (cruiser + BOD + destroyer) for three fleets and + 21 ship in the SF. So?
              Quote: Comrade_Stalin
              Especially in the Far East and there is no one to fight. The Chinese will not climb, the Japanese will not climb either.

              Where are the firewood from? Do you have connections at the general headquarters of China and Japan? Yes you are straight Richard Sorge2!
              1. Comrade Stalin
                Comrade Stalin 7 February 2017 08: 58
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                Good! 30 / 4 and that roughly three ships each (cruiser + BOD + destroyer) for three fleets and + 21 ship in the SF. So?

                Evenly across all fleets.
                Where are the firewood from? Do you have connections at the general headquarters of China and Japan? Yes you are straight Richard Sorge2!

                It is not necessary to have seven spans in the forehead to come to this conclusion. The army of Japan is operetnaya. On land, it can not be compared with the Russian army. It is unprofitable for China to attack us. And for what? For the sake of a piece of permafrost? Moreover, they know that in the event of an attack on Russia, such an answer will fly, from which their megacities such as Beijing, Shanghai and Tianjin will turn into radioactive ashes. For the sake of a piece of frozen land beyond the Amur, this will be a completely unfavorable exchange.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 7 February 2017 09: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                  Evenly across all fleets.

                  Hmm, let’s skip the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic Fleet, but seven ships each on the Northern Fleet and especially on the Pacific Fleet? Pity the sailors, they will not come out of the seas!
                  Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                  For the sake of a piece of frozen land beyond the Amur, this will be a completely unfavorable exchange.

                  The official history books of China state that "Siberia is a temporarily lost territory of the Celestial Empire."
                  And such cards are not uncommon in China.


                  Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                  Moreover, they know that in the event of an attack on Russia such a response will fly, from which their megacities such as Beijing, Shanghai and Tianjin will turn into radioactive ashes

                  belay What a bloodthirsty you are, the right word! Although the loss of 2-3 million people is completely insignificant for China wink
                  1. Comrade Stalin
                    Comrade Stalin 7 February 2017 09: 21
                    +2
                    2-3 million will not do. 25 million people live in Shanghai, 21 million people in Beijing. Millions of 300-400, China could easily lose from Russia's nuclear response, and the damage will be simply huge. And while Russia has strategic nuclear weapons, China can print any cards, but it will not attack us.
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 7 February 2017 10: 26
                    +3
                    Quote: Serg65
                    The official history books of China state that "Siberia is a temporarily lost territory of the Celestial Empire."

                    What China? Their two
                    One has the capital in Beijing, the other in Taipei
                    And so-called The "Republic of China" really has territorial claims against Russia. Like almost all the neighbors of mainland China, which they also consider their territory.
                    And the map you presented is Taiwanese.
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 7 February 2017 10: 32
                      +3
                      Quote: Spade
                      What China? Their two

                      As I understand it, mainland China will not get into trouble?
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 7 February 2017 10: 39
                        +3
                        Dawns. Now apparently engaged in Africa. Pakistan went under them, Iran became its hydrocarbon barrel.

                        But Beijing will never be foolish about publishing such cards. Such actions are for small countries.
                  3. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 7 February 2017 11: 04
                    +1
                    The British draw such cards to drive a wedge between Russia and China
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 7 February 2017 11: 20
                      +3
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      The British draw such cards to drive a wedge between Russia and China

                      And who draws such posters?
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 7 February 2017 21: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Serg65
                        And who draws such posters?

                        What is wrong with this poster?
                      2. albert
                        albert 8 February 2017 18: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Serg65
                        who draws such posters?

                        Sorry, but what is written on this poster? It is unlikely that the site has many people who understand Chinese. bully
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          2. Octopus
            Octopus 7 February 2017 13: 10
            0
            Quote: Serg65
            And you know what. in the Far East, gold is ten times more

            Did the Chinese already buy it? Or is it not even interesting to the Chinese there?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 7 February 2017 13: 23
              +2
              Quote: Octopus
              Did the Chinese already buy it? Or is it not even interesting to the Chinese there?

              what Why are you really interested? Want to bid?
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 7 February 2017 14: 07
                0
                No, I'm not interested in metals.
                You just wrote about gold as if someone might need it. For reference. Gold mining throughout Russia is about 250-300 tons per year, i.e. $ 10-12 billion if I don’t confuse anything.
                This is from a third to half of the annual budget of Moscow. The annual GDP of Malta or Albania.
          3. AID.S
            AID.S 8 February 2017 11: 48
            +1
            Quote: Serg65
            And you know what. is there ten times more gold in the Far East than all women in Moscow and St. Petersburg?

            Yes, but it only belongs to the “women of Moscow and Petersburg”

            GC Polymetal
            Founded in 1998, the parent company is currently registered on about. Jersey, headquartered in St. Petersburg. It is the fourth largest gold producer in Russia. The main regions of work are the Khabarovsk Territory, Magadan and Sverdlovsk Regions, and Chukotka.
            Argue on ....
        2. andrew42
          andrew42 10 February 2017 15: 12
          0
          Comrade Stalin would quickly fix the lack of population in the Far East :)) He would drive the heaters, and half of the present swollen Moscow-Bad and a third of Peter would instantly be in the Far East. Please consider this a malicious joke. But .. in every joke there is a fraction .. jokes. With parasitic megacities, you need to do something for anyone. Economically, they are impractical. From a financial point of view, it’s parasitic for the national macroeconomy, a kind of black hole that sucks everything and all of the regions, and puts back 1/10 of the force. The rest “disappears” in the capital’s offices and partially goes to maintain the living standards of the residents of the capitals. Anyway, in the 21st century something will have to be decided with this.
      2. Boatsman_Palych
        Boatsman_Palych 10 February 2017 14: 03
        +2
        But he doesn’t know, they need to be covered on the database and brought to the Atlantic through the Icelandic barrier. For couch strategists, they are combat units in themselves.
    3. Rokossovsky
      Rokossovsky 7 February 2017 12: 09
      +2
      Enchanting, Comrade Stalin!
      Comment this:
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      The Pacific Ocean is too remote for us and the Pacific Fleet cannot protect Central Russia, which is the heart of the country.

      I just don’t feel like it - complete nonsense!
      Further more interesting! Honestly, laughed out loud!
      Russia needs a dozen or two light cruisers, BODs and destroyers that would defend the country's coast

      Bravo! Think big! A dozen or two! No problems! That's just building a dozen or so ships of the classes you listed, we actually get a fleet comparable to the US fleet, which
      It is unrealistic for Russia to build a fleet, at least comparable to the US fleet.
      as it turned out to be unrealistic to build! request
      And where to place all this stuff ?! In the Far East, you have banned!
      Well, the juice itself:
      Nuclear-powered submarine cruisers with ICBMs on board are the strongest trump card in strategic deterrence of enemies, and Russia should build them as much as possible.

      So I think you need as much as possible, pieces 500! One monoblock ICBM on each! So as not to get out of the scope of contracts!
      The Americans will grow stiff from such a tricky move and immediately respect us! laughing
      1. Comrade Stalin
        Comrade Stalin 7 February 2017 12: 17
        +1
        Compare the cost of one US carrier. Yes, one aircraft carrier costs like a dozen BOD or destroyers. Moreover, aircraft carriers always go with an escort of a dozen ships. So even if Russia has 30 light cruisers, destroyers and a BOD, the Russian fleet will still not be equal to the US fleet.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 7 February 2017 14: 10
          +4
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          Moreover, aircraft carriers always go with an escort of a dozen ships. So even if Russia has 30 light cruisers, destroyers and BOD, the Russian fleet will still not be equal to the US fleet

          Your first comment is about not building Russian aircraft carriers, and you immediately declare that, due to the presence of aircraft carriers on the mattresses, our fleet is weak. So where are you telling the truth, dear? Your comments are very similar to the words of the provocateur.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 February 2017 13: 43
      +4
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      Russia is unrealistic to build a fleet, at least comparable to the US fleet

      You would, dear, first familiarize yourself with our military doctrine, and then with the US doctrine. I think after that, you would not write such a frank nonsense.
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      We do not need aircraft carriers, since Russia does not have open access to the ocean.

      Are you a sailor? I'm sure not. What are you going to cover the ships with, dear expert? Or do you propose to stupidly sit on your mainland and sniff quietly? Apparently the same Peter the Great was, in your opinion, well, very stupid, since he was building the ocean fleet.
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      The Pacific Ocean is too remote for us and the Pacific Fleet cannot protect Central Russia, which is the heart of the country.

      In addition to the Pacific Fleet, we have 3 more fleets. At the same time, not only fleets, but also aerospace forces and coastal complexes are engaged in protecting our shores.
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      As for the Arctic, there only the coast of the Murmansk Peninsula is suitable for basing the fleet, since the rest of the Arctic coast freezes in winter.

      And in your opinion, why are we building an icebreaking fleet, and very quickly, developing promising icebreakers? We have nothing to do?
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      Russia needs a dozen or two light cruisers, BODs and destroyers that would defend the country's coast.

      You blurted out and didn’t even understand that ... all the classes of ships you listed are ships of the sea and ocean zones. To protect the coastal zone, there are corvettes, frigates, and various other missile defense systems of various classes, which operate under the protection of the coastal air defense and missile defense forces.
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      Nuclear-powered submarine cruisers with ICBMs on board are the strongest trump card in strategic deterrence of enemies, and Russia should build them as much as possible.

      Again nonsense. There is an agreement on the number of carriers and the number of warheads. Which no one has yet canceled.
      In general, before writing nonsense, learn the materiel, dear.
      1. Comrade Stalin
        Comrade Stalin 8 February 2017 00: 11
        +1
        I clearly said that in Russia, without aircraft carriers, the fleet cannot compete with the US fleet on equal terms. And since Russian aircraft carriers are not needed, even purely theoretically the Russian fleet cannot be on an equal footing with the US fleet. Is it clear now? Do you have the experience of two world wars where the Russian fleet did not play almost any role in the war? Why is it that in the presence of strategic nuclear weapons, the fleet should play a greater role? On the contrary, the value of the fleet will decrease further.
        Apparently the same Peter the Great was, in your opinion, well, very stupid, since he was building the ocean fleet.

        If the Baltic, locked on all sides by the shores, is suitable for the ocean fleet, then everything is clear with you wassat .
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 8 February 2017 00: 13
          +3
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          I clearly said that in Russia, without aircraft carriers, the fleet cannot compete with the US fleet on equal terms. And since Russian aircraft carriers are not needed, even purely theoretically the Russian fleet cannot be on an equal footing with the US fleet. Is it clear now?

          I have no more questions. laughing
    5. Ustinov 055 055
      Ustinov 055 055 8 February 2017 10: 12
      +1
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin

      9
      Comrade Stalin Yesterday, 06:58
      In general, he is right. It is unrealistic for Russia to build a fleet, at least comparable to the US fleet. We do not need aircraft carriers, since Russia does not have open access to the ocean. About the Baltic and the Black Sea can not be mentioned, no ocean here does not smell. The Pacific Ocean is too remote for us and the Pacific Fleet cannot protect Central Russia, which is the heart of the country. And the base there can serve only the south of Kamchatka, the coast of which does not freeze. Even the bay in Vladivostok freezes. And it’s just not serious to talk about the bases in the Kuril Islands. As for the Arctic, there only the coast of the Murmansk Peninsula is suitable for basing the fleet, since the rest of the Arctic coast freezes in winter. Russia needs a dozen or two light cruisers, BODs and destroyers that would defend the country's coast. Well, the most important thing to develop is the submarine fleet. Nuclear-powered submarine cruisers with ICBMs on board are the strongest trump card in strategic deterrence of enemies, and Russia should build them as much as possible.

      Well, tell me, dear, how do you, without a surface fleet, in case of war, be deploying a submarine in strike positions ??? Why do you need a surface fleet in general, what do you think? If only to drive crucian carp in the Barents, then I’ll disappoint you will not work.
  2. inkass_98
    inkass_98 7 February 2017 07: 10
    +4
    Another fortune-telling on coffee grounds. The meaning of the article is in one sentence: the American fleet is the best, but the Russians are becoming more active, although they should not be afraid, because there is a gas station.
    And without the word "hybrid" anywhere.
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 7 February 2017 07: 35
      0
      inkass_98 Russia should not be afraid, we are not threatening anyone! We must be realistic and focus on building submarines and middle class ships!
  3. Serg65
    Serg65 7 February 2017 08: 03
    +7
    laughing Quite interesting reasoning of a man who is a specialist in the Russian Navy and a professor at the Naval College! We will not blame the professor for the fact that the 5-I OpESk left Middle-earth in the 92. and not in the 89 years, it seems to me that Thomas R.
    Fedyshin
    (Russian roots?) just plays in public. why? Well, that's probably why ..
    I will say only what was indicated in open sources and in the press

    That is, the professor said what they wanted to hear from him. This is the annexation of Crimea, a hybrid war, bad Russian ships, an inefficient economy, "green" people (though Fedyshin believes that "sea green people" may appear belay ), BUT! In his words, no. no yes professional anxiety slips ..
    At the moment, Russian submariners spend a total of 1500 days in the World Ocean for a year

    The Russians returned to the Mediterranean Sea.

    Summing up, we can say that the program of multipurpose submarines is much more successful than others. In this area, Russians concentrated their talents and money. It was in it that the main successes of the Cold War were obtained, and now there will be something similar.

    Although right there, the professor is trying to reassure the audience that Russian boats are very complex and you can’t build a lot of them. Apparently Elk and Virginia - it's just a children's bike compared to Ash trees ???
    But the most interesting is .....
    Since the 2008 of the year, we have seen a steady increase in the presence of Russian boats, at 5-15% per year.

    What happened in February of the 2009 of the year, and what happened was that a "no-brainer" Russian fleet suddenly "blocked" the Red Sea, the Suez Canal and the eastern Mediterranean. It was then that the American admirals realized that the USN cruise campaign had come to an end and it was necessary to remember why they were carrying a bunch of postures on their sleeves!
  4. jonht
    jonht 7 February 2017 08: 09
    0
    Everything is within our power, and we can build and “lure” the fleet who need the same. The question is the sufficiency and necessity of these or those means .... The fleet will grow with corvettes, frigates, submarines, will take on destroyers and aircraft carriers.
  5. rasteer
    rasteer 7 February 2017 08: 12
    +2
    A new Minister of Defense Serdyukov was appointed. Maybe in the West they know him poorly, but in Russia they really appreciate what he did.

    Assessment ekspertu ... NESDAL wassat
    Ekspertiza showed that ekspert is not real.
    Throughout the wall, the text shows only narcissism and fanfare to America.
    I’m still wondering why he compared us with Nigeria, but in the UAE he compared us in terms of dependence on oil.
    He really believes that the Arabs are doing something else besides oil, or, as always, "fi, they, like niggas of current, take up more space." In short about anything.
    Thanks to Kirill for publishing, it’s interesting to read that there’s a grief experts wassat
    1. Comrade Stalin
      Comrade Stalin 7 February 2017 08: 29
      +6
      When it comes to b / Ukraine, many blame ukram for their bird's memory. But Serdyukov is a litmus test, which clearly shows that this very bird's memory is also inherent in Russians. When I hear Serdyukov, the Yukos effect automatically pops up in my head. This is the same effect when, after landing Khodorkovsky in 2003, oil companies transferred 2004 times more taxes in 4,8. The Yukos effect is the start of filling the budget of the Russian Federation with real such money, and not handouts from the times of EBN. And at that time Anatoly Serdyukov led the tax service of Russia. Serdyukov, who, having spat on Yeltsin’s traditions and even the law, refused to restructure Yukos’s tax debts. Serdyukov, who pushed Khodorkovsky to prison ...

      In the NHL hockey teams there are special people who are called “torpedoes”. Their task is to go to the site, catch up with the best striker of the enemy and stupidly break, beat, cripple him. He went out, hit several times - got on the penalty box, got a suspension for several matches. Cruel, lawless? Yes. But the “torpedoes" often ensure victory for their team. That’s Anatoly Serdyukov, Putin’s “torpedo”. He entered the tax administration - crippled Khodorkovsky, wrote a two-volume thesis, in which he showed almost all 100% of the ways to evade taxes. For what? "Gentlemen, businessmen, the tax knows all your tricks. If you twitch, look first at Khodorkovsky's super-billionaire. Our hand will not tremble." And go, go, go taxes to the budget. And salaries and pensions began to grow, and the Stabilization Fund began to fill up, and Russia paid off the IMF, the World Bank, the Paris Club and replenished the Pension Fund.

      10 years have passed - and I do not see in any comment even recollections of how Serdyukov turned the tax situation upside down. Not his initiative, not his plan? Of course. “Torpedo” on the ice coach releases, choosing the exact time and giving an order about who needs to be broken. And I’m sure that exactly the same “torpedo” - Serdyukov - was launched into the Ministry of Defense. Exactly the same, they laid out a work plan on his desk and managed with 2-3 words: “Tolik, this should be done.” And the generals and admirals retired, and new weapons went, and outsourcing firms came to the barracks, freeing the soldiers for military training, and housing began to be built. Did you steal Tolik? The court did not prove the amnesty was held on charges of official negligence, and not on embezzlement.

      Shoigu came in 2012, and in March 2014 we observed in the Crimea the honed, impeccable actions of 20 thousand “polite people”. Did they come out of nowhere? SUCH for a year and a half you will not prepare. And the dog nonsense that the new weapons did not enter the army thanks to, but contrary to the actions of the Minister of Defense, leave the weak mind to the weak. And the nickname "Taburetkin" is not accidental: a person really had to come to the army, not connected with it in any way, but ready to fulfill the plan that he did not draw up.

      “Torpedo” should not doubt, “torpedo” should believe the coach. It is said - “Exit and break”, which means - you need to push off from the side and in a straight line, at maximum speed rush to bring down the “target”. Nobody canceled the principle of personal devotion in politics, especially in Russia, with its centuries-old traditions of the "secrets of the Byzantine palace." Serdyukov again "on site"? So, before the coach he is clean. The coach gave him a tasty bun - a state award (they say they gave the Hero of Russia already), the coach patted him on the shoulder - and again gave the command "Fas!"
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 7 February 2017 08: 40
        +2
        Comrade Stalin
        But for this, you are sincere +
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 February 2017 11: 23
        +2
        Quote: Comrade_Stalin
        In the NHL hockey teams there are special people who are called “torpedoes”. Their task is to go to the site, catch up with the best striker of the opponent and stupidly break, beat, cripple him

        What Serdyukov did brilliantly with the Russian Armed Forces
        Quote: Comrade_Stalin
        10 years have passed - and I don’t even see in any comment even memories of how Serdyukov turned the tax situation upside down

        Because he did not turn it over. In general, it’s hard for me to understand where the author of this speech saw some kind of tax victory in 2004-2007, when Serdyukov headed the tax one. The situation with taxes in those years is perfectly characterized by 3 words: "trash, fumes and sodomy" - tax evasion was a kind of national sport, with a trillion loopholes in the legislation and BU
        Quote: Comrade_Stalin
        And salaries and pensions began to grow, and the Stabilization Fund began to fill up, and Russia paid off the IMF, the World Bank, the Paris Club and replenished the Pension Fund

        ... and oil rose from about $ 30 per barrel to about 80. Thanks to Serdyukov!
        Quote: Comrade_Stalin
        Shoigu came in 2012, and in March 2014 we observed in the Crimea the honed, impeccable actions of 20 thousand “polite people”. Did they come out of nowhere?

        Рњ-РґСЏ ...
        On March 6, 2013, the Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces V.V. Gerasimov announced the start of the creation of Special Operations Forces. Addressing the military attaches of foreign states in Moscow, he said: “Having studied the practice of forming, training and using special operations forces of the leading states of the world, the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense also began to create them ... An appropriate command has been created that is engaged in planned work and carries out activities of the Armed Forces training plan forces ... A set of guidance documents has already been developed that defines the direction of development, methods of preparing and using these forces ”[

        Taburetkin was dismissed at the end of 2012 if that. And we had MTR specialists long before Serdyukov. This is a merit of the USSR.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 7 February 2017 11: 37
          +2
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          So, before the coach he is clean. The coach gave him a tasty bun - a state award (they say they gave the Hero of Russia already), the coach patted him on the shoulder - and again gave the command "Fas!"

          Quote: Serg65
          ovalisch_Stalin
          But for this, you are sincere +

          Truly so:
          "Ah, tricking me is not difficult,
          I’m glad to be deceived myself. "
          Colleagues, you still hammer a song about red slippers into the phone wassat
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 7 February 2017 11: 54
            +4
            Quote: Stroporez
            Colleagues, you still hammer a song about red slippers into the phone

            Colleague, I look at the facts, and the facts speak about a different color of slippers wink
            The better Serdyukov Army General Pasha Grachev, Army General Kolesnikov, Army General Rodionov, Marshal Sergeev and General - Colonel Ivanov ??? What distinguished personnel generals and marshals as Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation?
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 7 February 2017 12: 15
              +3
              Quote: Serg65
              The better Serdyukov Army General Pasha Grachev

              Pasha is a separate issue ...
              My good friend said that if he knew everything in advance, he would have shot him “across the river”.
              Quote: Serg65
              What distinguished personnel generals and marshals as Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation?

              Assigned comfortable.
              But there were others, Shaposhnikov, Rokhlin ...
              To argue on the topic of "stool" -tear your nerves.
              A cast on the topic of whitening his personality, as a power in general, does not roll when considering the facts, and not a fictitious hpp.
              For example, compare how many military schools were destroyed, how much did the “Battalion battalion” squander, or do you think that the grandmother Vasilyeva fell from the sky, and the “furniture maker” did not cohabit with her?
              Do not invent the merits of this state, which simply does not exist. soldier
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 7 February 2017 12: 48
                +5
                Quote: Stroporez
                Pasha is a separate issue ...

                Well, of course, separate (the grenade of the wrong system laughing ), well, what ... two business trips per small river, a gold star “for performing combat missions with minimal casualties and for professional command of a controlled formation and successful operations of the 103 Airborne Division, in particular, in occupying the strategically important Satukandav Pass (Khost province) during the military operation “Highway” ”, graduate of the General Staff Academy - what is wrong with that? Achalov could not immediately recognize him?
                Quote: Stroporez
                But there were others, Shaposhnikov, Rokhlin ...

                I will not say anything bad about Rokhlin, but Shaposhnikov is no better than Grachev, that's for sure !!!!!!
                Quote: Stroporez
                For example, compare how many military schools were destroyed

                Now the remaining schools cope with the supply of young lieutenants under the banner of the Motherland?
                Quote: Stroporez
                "furniture maker" did not cohabit with her?

                laughing ... I didn’t hold a candle, I don’t know, but if I cohabited. well done! Vasilieva - a noble woman repeat
                Well, seriously, my friend “Stroporez”, then the army even before Serdyukov thoroughly undergone gentlemen - comrades generals, colonels and ensigns. So you said about the schools, and what was the competition in those schools before 2007? 1 four-place student? But how many recruits had to mow down and hide from the army? Serdyukov ... but what about Serdyukov - he did what he was asked to ... cleaned up. cut, saved, I’m not a matchmaker, not a brother, not a pioneer leader, much less a lawyer! hi
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 7 February 2017 13: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Serg65
                  during the military operation “Highway” ”, graduate of the General Staff Academy - what is wrong with that? Achalov could not immediately recognize him?

                  He changed the order and the oath for the post of Minister of Defense.
                  I’m talking about when he came to the defense of ebn, in this sense, his role was one of the key to the destruction of the state.
                  Do you say “Highway?” The General Staff was planning the operation, the executor, and by that time the losses had decreased, because the 40th Army had learned to fight under those conditions and counterintelligence worked well with Dushar commanders.
                  And the Maikop brigade of his whole family should come in terrible dreams until the end of time.
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Vasilieva - a noble woman

                  Yeah, on market day, rupe bag laughing
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Serdyukov ... but what about Serdyukov - he did what he was asked to ... cleaned up. reduced, saved

                  All the same, you are more comfortable with hpp, conspiracy thesis, damn it wassat
                  Quote: Serg65
                  then the army, before Serdyukov, was thoroughly ruffled by gentlemen — comrades generals, colonels, and ensigns.

                  Well, that's for sure! yes
                  Quote: Serg65
                  I’m not a matchmaker, not a brother, not a pioneer leader, much less a lawyer!

                  That's nice, comrade Serg65! drinks
                  I even sent you a plus sign for the argument, although I do not perceive it tongue
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 7 February 2017 13: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    pasha performer

                    The same as thousands of Soviet soldiers, but this does not give the right to say that they are simply soulless executors of someone else's ideas! But I'm not talking about what a Pasha Mercedes was a good warrior, but about what happened to our fathers - commanders! What was to happen in the army, that a civilian was appointed to the post of minister, and after his removal of the second civilian ????
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    All the same, you are more comfortable with hpp, conspiracy thesis, damn it

                    laughing No, my friend, I just know who the specials are and the style of their work bully
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 7 February 2017 13: 25
                      +2
                      Quote: Serg65
                      No, my friend, I just know who the specials are and the style of their work

                      Yeah, had the "happiness" to talk laughing laughing laughing
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 7 February 2017 13: 30
                        +3
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Yeah, had the "happiness" to talk

                        laughing I agree, interesting guys. bully
                    2. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 7 February 2017 13: 26
                      +3
                      Quote: Serg65
                      Pasha Mercedes was a good warrior

                      at the company level, the edge of the battalion commander is the ceiling what
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 7 February 2017 13: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        at the company level, the edge of the battalion commander is the ceiling

                        Well, I don’t know, according to the recollections of the officers of a separate parachute airborne regiment, the regiment from it was not bad, but the division commander was mediocre from it.
        2. Octopus
          Octopus 7 February 2017 13: 34
          +2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          oil rose from about $ 30 per barrel to about 80. Thanks to Serdyukov!

          Sacrilege!
          Everyone knows that Putin did it personally.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 7 February 2017 13: 44
            +3
            Quote: Octopus
            Everyone knows that Putin did it personally.

            Hey, American, what did Putin do? I’m personally guessing. enlighten please
            1. Octopus
              Octopus 7 February 2017 14: 44
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              enlighten please

              Raised Russia from its knees, of course.
              In the article, uncle compares Russia with Nigeria, and in the comments they ask why not with the UAE.
      3. rasteer
        rasteer 7 February 2017 13: 42
        +2
        Serdyukov, who, having spat on Yeltsin’s traditions and even the law, refused to restructure Yukos’s tax debts. Serdyukov, who pushed Khodorkovsky to prison ...

        And what is the merit of Serdyukov? The fact that the FAS issued an order to him, and he complied with it in violation of the law? So in such greenhouse conditions anyone can handle it. And it was not Serdyukov who pushed Khodor to the people, but Khodor himself when he stood in opposition to the GDP. And he would sit quietly like any Millers and Rottenbergs and everything would be fine with him. Are you sure that Rosneft is honest in paying taxes? So I tell you, the tax evasion system is put on stream there, almost with the takeover of Rosneft, Yukos began a leapfrog with LLCs one-day, with the withdrawal of personnel for Rosneft and transferring them from the northern state to the all-Russian one. It got to the point that the staff working and living in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug was registered in the Samara Region.
        And you did not ask how much Russia cost and the privatization of Yukos and BP will still cost. How much money and what we borrowed from the Chinese. All this political affair is paid from our pockets and our children will still pay.
    2. Octopus
      Octopus 7 February 2017 13: 16
      +4
      Quote: rasteer
      Ekspertu assessment.

      I personally remembered the military expert Latynina.
      Quote: rasteer
      I wonder why he compared us with Nigeria, but in the UAE he compared

      And where do you live? If Moscow - it looks like the UAE, if 50 kilometers - Nigeria. Ships in Moscow are not being built.
      1. rasteer
        rasteer 7 February 2017 13: 50
        0
        And where do you live? If Moscow - it looks like the UAE, if 50 kilometers - Nigeria.
        Of course I understand your sarcasm, it’s also cold in my Nigeriawassat But all the same, it is unlikely that this “sofa” was further than Moscow time and Peter wink Well, at least compared with Venezuela or something, otherwise everyone strives to compare us with the Papuans. And he would have written "the Russians were able to make self-propelled pies from which I let out silver birds and throw coconuts, but otherwise they are WILD." wassat
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 7 February 2017 14: 54
          +1
          Quote: rasteer
          Well, at least compared with Venezuela or something

          So far it’s not so bad. You need to wait another 20 years. Or call Glazyev and build socialism, it will turn out faster.
          Quote: rasteer
          Russians managed to make self-propelled pies from which I let out silver birds and throw coconuts

          And you do not confuse the USSR and the Russian Federation. Those handsome men were sure that the bourgeoisie would outweigh them all if the opportunity presented themselves, and were forced to develop whether it was bad or good.
          Current people know that they are a bargain to the bourgeoisie. So it’s more convenient to develop towards Africa. In general, I see a lot in common in the development of "democracy" of free Russia and free South Africa.
  6. Serg65
    Serg65 7 February 2017 08: 26
    +3
    I was also interested in the phrase ..
    Draftees remained at the bases, and only contract servicemen went to sea.

    May be so. but judging by the photo below the conscripts on the right side of the guards badge, the sign "For the Long Campaign" flaunts ??
  7. Serg65
    Serg65 7 February 2017 11: 17
    +4
    Lopatov,
    Quote: Spade
    But Beijing will never be foolish about publishing such cards. Such actions are for small countries.

    It may well be so. But somehow the Great Helmsman said ..
    "The Soviet Union occupied too many territories ...
    About a hundred and a few years ago, they cut off the entire region east of Lake Baikal with Boli (Khabarovsk) and Hayshenvey (Vladivostok) and the Kamchatka Peninsula.
    This account is not easy to write off. We haven’t paid for it yet. "
    Mao Zedong
    And we remember Damansky, and since it is not customary in China to deviate from the General line, you should not relax and consider that
    Quote: Comrade_Stalin
    Especially in the Far East and there is no one to fight.

    Of course, China today .... I would say not an ally, probably a fellow traveler, but not ...
    Russian with Chinese brothers forever.
    The unity of peoples and races is growing stronger.
    A simple man straightened his shoulders
    A simple man walks with a song
    Stalin and Mao are listening to you.
    China is pragmatic and has no allies!
  8. Damir
    Damir 7 February 2017 12: 17
    0
    "Dr. Tom Fedyszyn on the State of the Russian Navy "(" Dr. Tom Fedyshin on the state of the Russian fleet "

    A new Minister of Defense Serdyukov was appointed. Maybe in the West they know him poorly, but in Russia they really appreciate what he did

    As an esperd .... as a woodpecker .... an aircraft carrier is needed to at least protect submarines with ICBMs in deployment areas from an air attack !!!! the truth and other applications the aircraft carrier is not much to see ... Basmachi in Syria to drive with it a little expensive though .....
    and as a level of expertise, a statement about a serdyuk ...
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 7 February 2017 12: 23
      +1
      Quote: Damir
      An aircraft carrier is needed at least to protect submarines with ICBMs in deployment areas from an air attack

      - You definitely didn’t mess with the pedals?
      - as far as I remember, submarines work in the cover of an aircraft carrier, and not vice versa
      - the aircraft carrier is visible ... always. PL - no ... if she was lucky
      - that's the calculation request
      1. Damir
        Damir 7 February 2017 12: 33
        0
        there is a place to be symbiosis .... submarines protect from underwater and water hazards, and an aircraft carrier from air ....
  9. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 7 February 2017 13: 36
    +1
    Serg65,
    On this subject, the story was “there”, and it didn’t live, but not a format, unfortunately laughing laughing wassat
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 7 February 2017 13: 48
      +3
      Quote: Stroporez
      On this subject, the story was “there”, and it didn’t live, but not a format, unfortunately

      laughing Yes, our whole life is not a format! I was once under the command of Admiral Baltin, so he had simple words for a bunch of mat drinks
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 7 February 2017 13: 54
        +2
        Quote: Serg65
        I was once under the command of Admiral Baltin, so he had simple words for a bunch of mate drinks

        Yeah, the Black Sea Brotherhood was told, I thought I had a hernia from laughter laughing drinks
  10. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 7 February 2017 13: 44
    +1
    Serg65,
    Duc this servant and suffered back for posts.
    So then Potsy and other things told, perpendicular.
    Yes, to hell with him, with this p-Mercedes, he spoiled his entire biography about himself
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 7 February 2017 13: 53
      +3
      Quote: Stroporez
      Yes, to hell with him, with this p-Mercedes, he spoiled his entire biography about himself

      Fuck yourself with it, but here I got it am
  11. WildFox72
    WildFox72 7 February 2017 13: 49
    +2
    For 20 years, no one called this pretzel! I really started to think about it for a reason. But I read the article and got it - you shouldn't call another 20 years about the state of the Russian Navy to such an iksperd. It contradicts itself in three sentences. Yeah, if this is the level of analytics of mattress "specialists", then I don’t know where we all should hide ... DB this topic is fedyshin! laughing
  12. iouris
    iouris 7 February 2017 14: 02
    0
    In a normal war, our ships are likely to be destroyed very quickly. The main thing here is for the enemy to understand that war will not be ordinary, and that ships can manage to inflict losses on the enemy that are unacceptable to the enemy. To do this, they must be very close to the enemy. The second task - the demonstration of the flag and the projection of force, makes the existence of the state tangible, forcing the enemy to respect.
  13. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 7 February 2017 14: 47
    +1
    A new Minister of Defense Serdyukov was appointed. Maybe in the West they know him poorly, but in Russia they really appreciate what he did.

    Oh yeah! This is just our idol.
  14. Serg65
    Serg65 8 February 2017 07: 28
    +2
    KaPToC,
    Quote: KaPToC
    What is wrong with this poster?

    A poster is like a poster, if you do not know that it is in the museum on about. Zhenbaodao is the former island of Daman! And in this museum they tell how the People’s Army of China utterly defeated the hordes of Brezhnev-Soviet revisionists!
    And here are the valiant heroes of the Chinese people!

    In this world of the wrong, don't be a fool:
    Do not rely on those around
    With a sober eye, look at your closest friend -
    A friend may be the worst enemy.
    Omar Khayyam.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 8 February 2017 18: 44
      0
      Quote: Serg65
      A poster is like a poster, if you do not know that it is in the museum on about. Zhenbaodao is the former island of Daman!

      This conflict happened through the fault of our state.
  15. AID.S
    AID.S 8 February 2017 11: 57
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Apparently the same Peter the Great was, in your opinion, well, very stupid, since he was building the ocean fleet.

    ??????!?Ocean??? , near Voronezh? ... on the contrary, he was not so stupid. Yes, our fleet did not get out of the Baltic Sea for another 50 years after the death of Peter.
  16. kig
    kig 11 February 2017 14: 48
    +1
    We are arguing (well, or at least some are arguing) about the required number of surface and submarine ships, forgetting that there is still such a type of fleet as a merchant. And in case of conflict, he must ensure the transportation of the required amount of military cargo. The US auxiliary fleet can transport about 3 million tons at a time, and we, with modest participation in the Syrian conflict, are forced to urgently buy all kinds of junk from the Turks. So the work is endless.
  17. Nikolai Bolotnikov
    Nikolai Bolotnikov 11 February 2017 21: 01
    0
    $ 150 billion is withdrawn from Russia annually; with this money, 10 aircraft carriers could be built.