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Voenkor Dmitry Steshin: Sorry for the cynicism, but it is early to return Ukraine

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Voenkor Dmitry Steshin: Sorry for the cynicism, but it is early to return Ukraine



Russia will not send troops to Ukraine. Return this country filled cryptobanders, in the fold of fraternal peoples extremely early. And Russia will not return it at the cost of the death of its soldiers and the Militia.

About this writes the military commissar of "Komsomolskaya Pravda" Dmitry Steshin.

At the same time, the chance to return Ukraine bloodlessly remains. And Ukraine will have to comply with the Minsk Agreement.

"...They think in vain that a person who knows how to play a long, almost “endless” game by today's standards will lead to that. Is it possible that this man, who exactly ten years ago condemned the unipolar world in the “Munich speech”, suddenly starts playing “Chapaev” with the help of chess? Will take and suddenly bring down the folding relationship with the world center of power? Will allow himself and his country to exchange billions in investments in the social sphere of Donbass and other assistance for two stumps in the administrative borders + Crimea with sanctions burden? All the more so under pressure disrespectful people in embroidered shirts and through their stupid Neanderthal provocations: they shot at Donetsk, received an offensive in response, recorded in the Western media, declared themselves the injured party in the UN Security Council?

Nooo "People in embroidery» must comply with the "Minsk AgreementSubscribed to. And the point. Even if these agreements lead them to political collapse.

Because a person playing “in the long”, as well as many, many millions of people behind him, needs all of Ukraine. In fraternal, familiar form. All!

Only without such a normal, thoughtful and harsh “work on mistakes”, no one will accept it back to the friendly family of nations. Enough, taken a couple of times. And both times - "on the cola bast, start over." At the moment, if without hypocrisy, I see that the majority of the population of Ukraine are satisfied with everything. As arranged by ISIL (a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation - author's note), the almost one million population of Mosul, for example. And as Kurdish political scientists and the military, in horror, told me that they did not know how to be, “when a million Wahhabis will move to us under the guise of refugees”. And millions of 20-30 crypto Bandera do not want to take in your family? Not? “In Ukraine, the majority are“ normal ”” - that’s why they sit for the third year, keep quiet, wait, whose will they take? Do you offer for them to die the militia or the Russian army?

It is early today to return Ukraine, and tomorrow it will be too early. In time is between the final formation of the “Gulyai-Polya” and the first man-made disaster at the Zaporizhzhya NPP. Sorry for the cynicism. Ideally, through a change of power, almost bloodless. And in this direction also work.

We suffer, although the heart hurts. Who can not tolerate - praying, there is someone for ”, - wrote Steshin.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 6 February 2017 05: 37
    +10
    Ideally, through a change of power, almost bloodless. And they are also working in this direction.

    Yah... wassat I’m looking at Tymoshenko in the USA. TRUMP at the outhouse is on guard ...
    Poroshenko caches already digs his nose near the residence of TRAMP ... Ukrainian politicians are a miracle of clowning.
    As for the rest of the independent, it would be better to divide it into dozens of two different principalities with which it is much easier to negotiate and deal with than the Kiev regime.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 6 February 2017 06: 09
      +13
      And why should Donbass have to wait for others to grow wiser? After all, without the South-East, dill will quickly bite together
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 6 February 2017 07: 53
        +22
        In the Donbass for three years, Russian people have died and suffered. Syria was able to help in Aleppo and stop the killing of people there, but to save native Russian people in the Russian Donbass
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 6 February 2017 08: 20
          +71
          Go save. Take Kiev, and then deal with millions of horses, which "Putin did not let into Europe." And some of these millions will be crap. If it doesn’t, I’ll remind you that in the 1945-1953 (most likely, Khrushchev simply stopped ghouls so that they climbed from the caches to the regional committees), tens of thousands were killed without any howitzers by ukrobandits, most of them civilians.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 6 February 2017 09: 09
            +20
            Quote: EvilLion
            most likely, Khrushchev simply stopped watering ghouls, so they climbed from caches to regional committees

            I read a couple of years ago that our Chekists were just starting to get to the top of the Bandera underground created in Ukraine, when the order came to stop everything, so most likely it was like that - this one ... and here he was shitting.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 6 February 2017 09: 14
            +14
            Quote: EvilLion
            Go save.


            I didn’t promise “Let them try!”, And then I pretended that I never said that.
            Quote: EvilLion
            If it doesn’t, I’ll remind you that in 1945-1953 (most likely, Khrushchev simply stopped ghouls so that they climbed from the caches to the regional committees), tens of thousands were killed without any howitzers by ukrobandits, most of them civilians.

            Yes, yes, and all this happened in the Novorossiysk Territory! fool Think what to write.

            PS Poke yourself! ..
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 6 February 2017 15: 43
              +6
              Since then, the prickly infection has spread perfectly, including in New Russia.
            2. Aleksandr1981
              Aleksandr1981 6 February 2017 16: 06
              +1
              Come with your point of view on the “Censor” and write and discuss it there.
          3. Vasiliev Yu
            Vasiliev Yu 6 February 2017 12: 55
            +9
            Idiocy can not be called otherwise. EvilLion and Steszyn intended.
            Well, Zakharchenko and Basurin will not be able to cope if they are at the top of the Ukrainian government. And let yourself pick up assistants yourself and wet the ban of derlogs. Why not be Ukraine united with the Donbass, but under the leadership of President Zakharchenko?
            Just help the Donbass, and then let them rule.
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 6 February 2017 15: 46
              +9
              Because then you should be the first to come to the draft board, for the soldiers will be needed. Do not go - be quiet.
              1. Vasiliev Yu
                Vasiliev Yu 6 February 2017 15: 57
                +6
                Do not judge all by yourself.
                And I’ll come, we will be brought to you by the `` housekeepers ''.
              2. Vasiliev Yu
                Vasiliev Yu 6 February 2017 17: 04
                +8
                I read your comments below.
                People like you don’t even want to hear, for example, that many have already come to the military commissariats to be sent to the Donbass. But they were naturally turned back.
                Not everyone is like you.
                1. Puss in Boots
                  Puss in Boots 7 February 2017 15: 13
                  +8
                  if you just announce a set of volunteers and tens of thousands will come I think (at least I’ll definitely go), but listen to liberalism, do not save your nerves!
                  1. bulvas
                    bulvas 7 February 2017 17: 34
                    0

                    Quote: Cat Racecourse
                    if you just announce a set of volunteers and tens of thousands will come I think (at least I’ll definitely go), but listen to liberalism, do not save your nerves!


                    Who can - does not wait for the announcement, get together and go
                    Where did Debaltseve come from?
                    - helped
                    1. Vasiliev Yu
                      Vasiliev Yu 7 February 2017 18: 01
                      +1
                      Not everyone lives in the European part of Russia.
                      Have you tried to ride from Vladivostok?
                      1. bulvas
                        bulvas 7 February 2017 20: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasilyev u
                        Not everyone lives in the European part of Russia.
                        Have you tried to ride from Vladivostok?


                        You can not go, your business

                        Not everyone goes from the Rostov Region

                        But there are those who travel, and not only from neighboring areas
                        Teach and help
                        I know for sure

                        Who can not go - helps in another way
                        But this, again voluntarily
                      2. volodimer
                        volodimer 8 February 2017 17: 55
                        +2
                        In the Far East there are a lot of descendants of immigrants from Ukraine. Every third or fourth relative there. Of course, there is no flow of volunteers from us: difficult, vain. But there are guys from us there .... A hectare is cool, but my grandfather’s house in a village near Cherkasy .... I don’t need any tries! Let the relatives live there and make happiness, visit their relatives in Odessa with fruit from the garden, and not with the “right sector”. And then, along with through Riga, having glanced to Georgia, to Astrakhan, then to Kazan ... and then to Vladivostok ... This is how the USSR lived ... We lost this unity, Ukraine, and even Donbass, unfortunately, it is not Crimea. 25 years were not in vain. Crimea didn’t have to be “occupied”, it was Russian, but the rest of the territory needed to be survived, “ill” with “Ukraine”. LDNR is a pity, they have become a bargaining chip of geopolitics.
          4. Kolya
            Kolya 6 February 2017 19: 35
            +10
            Donbass rebelled. After such assistance as the Donbass, Novorossia will not rise again. There is no strength to compete with the whole West when even in Russia militia leaders are exterminated. The official power grew as usual: they were killed because of a business showdown. What a convenient wording !!! The Kremlin declares: there is no Russia in LDNR. The oligarchs ordered: give us these sanctions.
          5. Vpk72
            Vpk72 7 February 2017 16: 41
            +3
            Dudaev’s propagandists are so stupid that they can’t even add variety to their manuals - "are you still not in the trenches?" , "go take Kiev"
            and it pleases - on such. frank mediocre get along already no normal people are
        2. Winnie76
          Winnie76 6 February 2017 08: 23
          +26
          Quote: Olgovich
          In the Donbass for three years, Russian people have died and suffered. Syria was able to help in Aleppo and stop the killing of people there, but to save native Russian people in the Russian Donbass

          You relate the scale. Gouging there can be shattered and halved. And then what? An occupation? Even if at least one hundredth of Ukraine (400 thousand people) shoots in the back, the Russian army will wash itself with blood. With all our manufacturability. What about terrorist attacks in Russia? How many millions of migrant workers do we have? Wise guy damn it. Send your child a volunteer if the soul hurts.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 6 February 2017 09: 21
            +41
            Quote: Winnie76
            And then what? An occupation?
            What are you talking about, Lviv or Donetsk with Lugansk? Crimea was able to annex, recognize the referendum, but the DPR and LPR cannot even be recognized, but they recognized the whole farce with the elections as legal, which was organized by the Bandera junta. What prevented, having the legitimate president Yanukovych, organizing an exiled government, and if you didn’t bring in troops, didn’t recognize those who came to power after the anti-constitutional coup in Kiev? They were frightened for the “pipe”, it was necessary to negotiate with someone, so probably Hitler would have recognized that Bandera was there, it was necessary to pump gas. The main thing is that the "baker" of the State Department not only distributed "cookies" on the Maidan, but also made clear in Moscow what would happen to the billions of accounts of our powers that are in foreign banks and in foreign currency. If we talk about the topic of the article, forgive me for cynicism, but it’s too late to return Ukraine. Amerikosy beat us, and everything was sewn, brazenly and rudely with white thread, climbed onto Russian soil, to our borders, and the oligarch fraternized themselves, found a million excuses why Ukraine didn’t fall into their mouths, although the whole southeast was for Russia, and the Ukrainian army was then neutral.
            1. BecmepH
              BecmepH 6 February 2017 09: 55
              +8
              Respected
              Per se.
              DNR and LC cannot even recognize
              And remember, for which they voted in the Crimea and for what in the Donbass ...
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 6 February 2017 10: 28
                +14
                Quote: BecmepH
                And remember, for which they voted in the Crimea and for what in the Donbass ..


                Rather, I think this: For what they voted for in the Crimea and for which they gave DIRECTION to vote in the Donbass.
                1. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 6 February 2017 10: 31
                  +5
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  And remember, for which they voted in the Crimea and for what in the Donbass ..


                  Rather, I think this: For what they voted for in the Crimea and for which they gave DIRECTION to vote in the Donbass.

                  And who let you know? Enlighten
                  1. Sergey Kranov
                    Sergey Kranov 6 February 2017 13: 45
                    +21
                    I enlighten western: the Kremlin generally forbade a referendum in the Donbass, but the people after the Odessa tragedy bristled with roadblocks with the inscription: "Odessa, we will not forget, we will not forgive," and he himself, without "instructions from above," held a referendum. And now a few words about your "brotherly" the people. who, accustomed to living for free at the expense of Russia, and silently watch how their "father" kisses the Nazis / Saakashvili, Poroshenko / and supply ukrofashists with weapons and solarium for tanks. You will wait for your "Maidan".
                    1. woron333444
                      woron333444 8 February 2017 11: 26
                      +1
                      Sergey Kranov February 6, 2017 17:45 ↑
                      Enlighten Western: the Kremlin generally banned a referendum in the Donbass

                      If in Crimea they gathered their parliament and voted for a referendum, then LDNR voted for independence. When they realized that independence would not come, they tried to organize a referendum. But it was too late.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 6 February 2017 10: 22
              +19
              Quote: Per se.
              What prevented, having the legitimate president Yanukovych, organizing a government in exile and if you don’t bring in troops, don’t you recognize those who came to power after the anti-constitutional coup in Kiev?

              Why in exile? The government could be right in Donetsk, with the President, with the Ukrainian army loyal to the rightful President.

              Instead, they recognized the legal power of non-people, and LDNR-no.
              1. Vladimir 70
                Vladimir 70 6 February 2017 10: 39
                +3
                Quote: Olgovich
                Quote: Per se.
                What prevented, having the legitimate president Yanukovych, organizing a government in exile and if you don’t bring in troops, don’t you recognize those who came to power after the anti-constitutional coup in Kiev?

                Why in exile? The government could be right in Donetsk, with the President, with the Ukrainian army loyal to the rightful President.

                Instead, they recognized the legal power of non-people, and LDNR-no.

                Just in this legitimate president, the whole problem. He’s lousy.
                1. would
                  would 6 February 2017 13: 03
                  +9
                  But the legitimate and duties of the speaking head are probably quite capable of fulfilling. And more is not necessary from him, but other people should be engaged in the management itself.
              2. Aleksandr1981
                Aleksandr1981 6 February 2017 16: 09
                0
                Then the war with NATO would begin.
            3. Winnie76
              Winnie76 6 February 2017 13: 40
              +7
              Quote: Per se.
              What prevented, having the legitimate president Yanukovych, organize a government in exile, and

              Well, let's say they would have organized it. What's next? Who would die for the fat rat Yanukovych?
              Quote: Per se.
              We were able to annex Crimea, recognize the referendum, but the DPR and LPR cannot even recognize,

              Crimea was originally autonomy - this time. 98% of the population’s support are two. The Black Sea Fleet is three. The objective significance for the Russian Federation is four.
              Quote: Per se.
              Speaking about the topic of the article, forgive me for cynicism, but it’s too late to return Ukraine

              In its current form - I agree, it's late. What they lost - I disagree, rather they squeezed out the maximum possible with all the crappiness of the situation.
            4. EvilLion
              EvilLion 6 February 2017 15: 45
              +2
              From the fact that we recognize the DPR with the LPR, the rest of the states do not recognize them, but it is possible to cooperate with Russia and go to work, including local passports, in the Russian Federation.

              Well, how can it be without accounts. People with millions are probably so dumb that they keep them where they can be arrested ...
            5. 11 black
              11 black 6 February 2017 23: 08
              +1
              Quote: Per se.
              What are you talking about, Lviv or Donetsk with Lugansk? Crimea was able to annex, recognize the referendum, but the DPR and LPR cannot even be recognized, but they recognized the whole farce with the elections as legal, which was organized by the Bandera junta. What prevented, having the legitimate president Yanukovych, organizing an exiled government, and if you didn’t bring in troops, didn’t recognize those who came to power after the anti-constitutional coup in Kiev? They were frightened for the “pipe”, it was necessary to negotiate with someone, so probably Hitler would have recognized that Bandera was there, it was necessary to pump gas. The main thing is that the "baker" of the State Department not only distributed "cookies" on the Maidan, but also made clear in Moscow what would happen to the billions of accounts of our powers that are in foreign banks and in foreign currency. If we talk about the topic of the article, forgive me for cynicism, but it’s too late to return Ukraine. Amerikosy beat us, and everything was sewn, brazenly and rudely with white thread, climbed onto Russian soil, to our borders, and the oligarch fraternized themselves, found a million excuses why Ukraine didn’t fall into their mouths, although the whole southeast was for Russia, and the Ukrainian army was then neutral.

              Once again, once again, right, tired of ...
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 6 February 2017 09: 22
            +16
            Quote: Winnie76
            Even if at least one hundredth of Ukraine (400 thousand people) shoots in the back, the Russian army will be washed with blood


            I wrote about the Donbass. Name at least ONE episode in the history of this RUSSIAN Krai (criminally given to the so-called “Ukraine.”) When they would shoot at the Russian army. You can not? Smart ass, ...
            1. Winnie76
              Winnie76 6 February 2017 13: 58
              +7
              Quote: Olgovich
              I wrote about the Donbass.

              You offer to release the Donbass, and leave everything else as it is under the Nazis. Kharkov there, Kiev, Odessa, you are our compassionate.
              Quote: Olgovich
              Name at least ONE episode in the history of this RUSSIAN Krai (criminally given to the so-called “Ukraine.”) When they would shoot at the Russian army.

              Bandera probably 10 years after the war fired and not only at the military.
              Quote: Olgovich
              You can not? Smart ass,

              Offended by the wise guy? Why. Being kind at someone else's expense is very wise. Donbass must be freed, and the Russians will pay for everything with their blood. Just think of a thousand-the other will die for freedom for the Donbass.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 6 February 2017 20: 02
                +11
                Quote: Winnie76
                You offer to release the Donbass, and leave everything else as it is under the Nazis. Kharkov there, Kiev, Odessa, compassionate you are ours


                I spoke specifically about the Donbass because today there is a murder of Russians.
                Quote: Winnie76
                Bandera probably 10 years after the war fired and not only at the military.

                But not in New Russia!
                Quote: Winnie76
                Offended by the wise guy? Why. Being kind at someone else's expense is very wise. Donbass must be freed, and the Russians will pay for everything with their blood. Just think of a thousand-the other will die for freedom for the Donbass.

                I do not care about your ratings of me.
                Further, I personally did not promise ANYTHING to anyone, the President did this (which means that he also meant possible victims). And having promised, he provoked and set up people who believed him.
                So, it was not necessary to promise and cry about the Russian world.
          3. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 6 February 2017 09: 52
            +16
            Quote: Winnie76
            You relate the scale. Gouging there can be shattered and halved.
            Syria is another matter, its relatives, the Syrians, can be killed by ours there, but humanitarian aid can be sent and then tearfully tearing around in the first place. Not like these, Bandera ...
            1. Winnie76
              Winnie76 6 February 2017 14: 11
              +9
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Syria is another matter, its relatives, the Syrians, can be killed by ours there, but humanitarian aid can be sent and then tearfully tearing around in the first place.

              In Syria, the main burden of war is borne by the Syrians themselves, as well as Iranians and Kurds. But in Ukraine you can’t get off with one air base. Everything is much more serious. Will have to carry out ground operations. In the future, the prospect of a guerrilla war with the Bandera underground, as well as the local population sympathetic to this underground.
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 6 February 2017 15: 30
                +8
                Quote: Winnie76
                In Syria, the main burden of the war is borne by the Syrians themselves, as well as Iranians and Kurds. But in Ukraine you can’t get off with one air base. Everything is much more serious.
                Why? Do you think the local population will not want to participate in this? Yes, organize, give only weapons, and cover from heavy equipment ukrovermahta. There is no underground base; are there many underground workers on the territory of the LDP? -But in Syria we are complete strangers, neither by blood, nor by faith, nor by economic ties. Again, ironing the green city, we do not cause any joy among the local population, just as the NATO people
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 6 February 2017 15: 50
                  +8
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  Why? Do you think the local population will not want to participate in this?

                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  Yes, organize, give only weapons, but cover from heavy equipment ukrovermahta

                  - the prisoner ... there were enough acquaintances in Ukraine, there were calls even when the Crimea did not start .. in short - "why did you attack us" ... is everything clear, or chew ?!

                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  ... in Syria we are complete strangers ..

                  - pralic... only their affairs, you (SAR) were told that they would help? So, we help ... and we calmly decide our own affairs ...

                  Here I am personally Assad - no one. And all Syrians are nobody. Is it normal, or am I missing something in this life? wink
                  1. Stirbjorn
                    Stirbjorn 6 February 2017 20: 17
                    +1
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    .. is everything clear, or chew ?!

                    Very clear yes
                    I dare to report, Mr. Feldkurat, ”said Schweik,“ that’s the hydra! ” It’s like a certain Brouchek from Libni. Eighteen times in the evening he was thrown out of the Exner beer house, and every time he returned, he said, "forgot the pipe." He climbed through the door, through the windows, through the kitchen, through the walls, through the cellar and probably would have gone down the chimney if the firefighters hadn’t removed it from the roof. Such was the persistent guy, could be a minister or ambassador! They laid him properly!
                    laughing
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 6 February 2017 21: 52
                      +3
                      Quote: Stirbjorn
                      Mr. Feldkurat, - said Schweik

                      - oh .... You read Schweik ... translated, probably sad
                      - I have a father, my dad ... lives like he lived, I don’t judge him .. but Schweik he read in the original, in Czech ... he still knows him from the university, he had a Czech living in a room (and me, then much - Cuban, yeah laughing )
                      - so ... Dad explained to me that when translating (even from Czech to Russian) 90% of humor is lost ...
                      - "I don’t have meat for them ... I have them .." - and everyone expects him to say that he ... is
                      - "... I will convey to them the image of God"

                      You can laugh.

                      But Fuchik's “Report with a noose around his neck” I read ... in the original. Not funny, but really brains yes
                2. 11 black
                  11 black 6 February 2017 23: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  Why? Do you think the local population will not want to participate in this? Yes, organize, give only weapons, but cover from heavy equipment ukrovermahta.

                  So it has long been done.
                  Firstly - without the support of Russia, neither the Ukrainians would have been crushed by the Donbass so long ago - the only force that does not allow them to arrange a massacre. And it’s not about what the scum in the ATO is doing - look at the bombing of Iraq, Libya, Kosovo - thousands of cruise missiles, hundreds of NATO planes and tanks - Russia is protecting Donbass from this fate.
                  Secondly - the supply of equipment - I remember a long time ago, at the very beginning of the history of the LPR and the DPR and the so-called “ATO”, at the very beginning, in Slavyansk, at Strelkov, EMNIP materialized from nowhere, and a whole column of tanks with “full forcemeat” - from where? My town will be larger than Slavyansk, but for some reason the tanks don’t drive on it ...
                  1. Stirbjorn
                    Stirbjorn 7 February 2017 08: 54
                    0
                    I had in mind the whole of Southeast Ukraine, at least. Strelkov’s convoy of three tanks consisted of everything, it seemed, and even then, when the situation was already becoming hopeless, because the ukrovermaht pulled an order of magnitude greater forces. After the Ilovaisk defeat, nothing prevented the sweeping of the junta, for they had practically no fighting forces at that time, but the Kremlin decided to settle everything in Minsk ...
                    1. 11 black
                      11 black 7 February 2017 16: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Stirbjorn
                      I had in mind the whole of Southeast Ukraine, at least. Strelkov’s convoy of three tanks consisted of, it seems,

                      according to other sources, more than ten ...
                      Quote: Stirbjorn
                      After the Ilovaisk defeat, nothing prevented the sweeping of the junta, because they had practically no fighting forces at that time, but the Kremlin decided to settle everything with Minsk ...

                      But this is interesting - do not speak?
                      Then why did the DPR / LPR army, attention, continue to defend themselves?
                      In fact, hundreds of tanks, howitzers, MLRS, dot complexes, helicopters, and their biomass have not yet ended, and even the end is not yet visible + they would have NATO military potential on their side.
                      What would we attack with tanks? - MBT of the Russian army T-72? The Americans immediately supply the “defending” ukraine TOW2 and the meat grinder begins.

                      Ok - the T90 has a “curtain” that protects (with a few caveats) from the second generation of the anti-tank guns, here is the third generation - Spike, which the Yankees would also instantly put to the “defending” dill

                      Did you appreciate the accuracy? - They put a rocket right in the hatch.
                      OK - the defense complex of Almaty is already without any but should protect against the third generation, but how many Armats do we have? - they are still in trial operation ... so it would hardly have succeeded in sweeping away the ukrovermaht bloodlessly - they would have received a "complete scribe" in the economy, a weakened army, an iron curtain and soldiers would have been killed.
                      1. Stirbjorn
                        Stirbjorn 7 February 2017 16: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: 11 black
                        What would we attack with tanks? - MBT of the Russian army T-72? The Americans immediately supply the “defending” ukraine TOW2 and the meat grinder begins.
                        So while delivery, while staff training is all the time. From the same Mariupol, Ukrainians were rattling that their heels were sparkling - this is probably recognized by everyone, like Akhmetov needed a city, so they did not take it. I am sure, with normal support, both Kharkov and Odessa and Zaporozhye, etc. would quickly organize and throw the junta themselves. After all, the army at that time was completely demoralized, all combat-ready units had already been knocked out - Minsk had given a respite and already under Debaltseve a completely different ukrovermaht was
          4. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 6 February 2017 20: 40
            +3
            Quote: Winnie76
            What about terrorist attacks in Russia?

            Every year we grow the regime of "partners", everything goes to that, it was necessary to put pressure on another 14m. Blackouts were organized in the Crimea, border guards were killed, sabotage groups were sent out, a soldier was stolen, a political ghoul is growing, what else do we want. What has changed for the better in three years?
        3. lukewarm
          lukewarm 6 February 2017 11: 22
          +4
          Quote: Olgovich
          Syria could help in Aleppo

          Much is not clear. In Aleppo they helped - Palmyra was simultaneously lost. It is clear that we do not want a second Afghanistan, but that contingent that exists is not enough. The war with the junta will require much more. The war will be completely different. This is already visible.
        4. s11417
          s11417 6 February 2017 14: 08
          +1
          Once again, carefully read the article, everything is written there.
        5. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 7 February 2017 07: 25
          0
          my friend Olgovich, we are talking about the whole of Ukraine! belay I agree about Donbass! hi
        6. passing
          passing 7 February 2017 19: 46
          +1
          "and save the native Russian people in the Russian Donbass, no"

          Tighten yourself before writing! We were invited to Syria by a LEGITIMATE, recognized government !!!! and who will invite us to Ukraine ????
        7. goblin
          goblin 12 February 2017 11: 23
          0
          Do not forget that Syria is a state and our army is there at the request of the real authorities and Donbass is not recognized as a republic, that is, a part of Ukraine and without the knowledge of the Kiev authorities we cannot enter the territory of Ukraine even to help Donbass.
        8. Albina Yakovleva_2
          Albina Yakovleva_2 18 February 2017 00: 18
          0
          Turn on the brain .... you just have to bring the tanks of the Russian Federation to the border of Ukraine. ((Donbass)) as NATO puts its tanks on the forehead, collisions cannot be avoided ... this is definitely a war !!!
        9. Albina Yakovleva_2
          Albina Yakovleva_2 18 February 2017 00: 29
          0
          There are no Russians in the Donbass ... there are Russian speakers. and that’s a big difference. The last thing they want in the Russian Federation is that they need independence ... let them get it. Even the LNR and DNR do not want to unite ... only their principalities. This side is rich in coal and they think to own only
      2. baudolino
        baudolino 6 February 2017 09: 25
        +8
        “And why should the Donbass have to wait for others to grow wiser? After all, without the South-East, dill will quickly be bitten with each other” - and remain dill. Denazification must be carried out together with deuraization. And this takes generations.
        "Dill erectus", the Germans, the Bolsheviks, and then Neobandera created a hundred years. For a couple of years, turning it back into Russian is impossible.
        1. avt
          avt 6 February 2017 09: 48
          +8
          Quote: baudolino
          “And why should the Donbass have to wait for others to grow wiser? After all, without the South-East, dill will quickly be bitten with each other” - and remain dill. Denazification must be carried out together with deuraization. And this takes generations.

          good Donbass with weapons in his hands gained in battle the right to control his fate on his own! Russia must accept and support any of its choices. With regards to everyone else ... well, guys ... tankers .... "Remember Tsareva, who was gundel about the fact that the Crimeans are wrong, we have to wait and ... climbed into the position of candidate for the Ruins, though he was quickly undressed, in the literal sense of the word, and even ot..mutuzili. ,, We will achieve liberation with our own hand. " This is a program of action and the objective reality of existence on the Ruin. If the raguli go to the slaughterhouse, well, that means they really are happy with everything. request
          Quote: baudolino
          For a couple of years, turning it back into Russian is impossible.
          Only if you let them live in full power in what they actually did with their country. Although ragulis vulgaris - ordinary cattle never admit that he himself is to blame! For before you pray to God for what you want to receive, think tightly seven times, then re-read Pushkin - ,, The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish "and once again think about it — what if you suddenly get it? But does this reality feel different from glitches .
          1. Albina Yakovleva_2
            Albina Yakovleva_2 18 February 2017 00: 22
            0
            next to them were excited other "brothers" "exclamations are heard" we are Europe "when the Bulbashs became Europe .. in 1945 ...?
      3. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 6 February 2017 11: 10
        +6
        Here you are right. The tsars also grew slowly Russia. So here too. First, two areas, which are almost 90% of the Russian people. Then, slowly, one or two, hanging all the horses and their companions on the lanterns. And so on. Why all at once? There is a creeping method that China has always used.
        1. Kolya
          Kolya 6 February 2017 20: 53
          +5
          Quote: Tambov Wolf
          The tsars also grew Russia slowly. So it is here. At first there are two regions, which are almost 90% of the Russian people.

          With arithmetic you are weak. Tsar Putin from Ukraine overwhelmingly pro-Russian received Ukraine Russophobic. It is unclear whether he returned half of the two areas. Crimea received initially Russian, and that’s because the base was there. But I agree about Crimea. But Putin received a rating for this. So what has grown? There are big problems in relations with Belarus. A big minus is obvious even appreciating a successful operation in the Crimea.
          1. Tambov Wolf
            Tambov Wolf 6 February 2017 22: 59
            +4
            To the normal Emperor, the guarantor is far away, "comrade" is weak.
            1. Albina Yakovleva_2
              Albina Yakovleva_2 18 February 2017 00: 33
              0
              that's what. but to blame the weakness of GDP - do not respect yourself. in the course of these events, "our bros," neighboring ones, were excited. unforeseen events were also added. their spontaneity always slows down
          2. 97110
            97110 7 February 2017 16: 16
            0
            Quote: Kohl
            Tsar Putin from Ukraine overwhelmingly pro-Russian received Ukraine Russophobic.

            You, dear, have you dumped North long ago? Or does the flag not reflect your whereabouts? And it is very likely that you are observing from the Laurentian coast. Putin got Russia. Is it said to get Putin away? Or is it a strict secret for you, what is Russia in 1999 with the still alive EBN and a sovereign family. Row Canadian snow, the municipality will be dissatisfied with the local area. I look, they are loudest about telling me what to do and what the President of Russia promised all sorts of Canadians, Czechs, and Montenegro. The flags are the most Russophobic, but how they suffer for Russia ...
    2. the most important
      the most important 6 February 2017 09: 56
      +5
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      As for the rest of the independent, it would be better to divide it into dozens of two different principalities with which it is much easier to negotiate and deal with than the Kiev regime.

      And how to break? Zakharchenko can do it best. After the command to attack and capture Kiev. Then, for some time, there must be cleansings from Bandera, the privatization of the property of the oligarchs on the side of the regime, federalization, a change of elites on the ground in each region, and only then - reunification. In the meantime, Donbass should live much better than the rest of Ukraine. Are there decent salaries and pensions? How else and how can one prove that Donbass made the right choice?
      1. Vasiliev Yu
        Vasiliev Yu 6 February 2017 13: 11
        +5
        Quote: the most important
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        As for the rest of the independent, it would be better to divide it into dozens of two different principalities with which it is much easier to negotiate and deal with than the Kiev regime.

        And how to break? Zakharchenko can do it best. After the command to attack and capture Kiev. Then, for some time, there must be cleansings from Bandera, the privatization of the property of the oligarchs on the side of the regime, federalization, a change of elites on the ground in each region, and only then - reunification. In the meantime, Donbass should live much better than the rest of Ukraine. Are there decent salaries and pensions? How else and how can one prove that Donbass made the right choice?

        Correctly. I always write about it myself.
        But there are always more idiots, even on this site, who do not want to help the Donbass and come up with the same excuses.
        Even according to comments like “Do you send your children there?” Says everything about people. Yes, and in Ukraine there were plenty of such people '' my hut from the edge, let others, but not me, do something. '' And here in Russia such people just as silently and wiping themselves will surrender everything on occasion, naturally justifying themselves in front of everyone and rubbing others-decisive.
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 6 February 2017 14: 09
        +9
        Quote: the most important
        Then, for some time, there must be cleansings from Bandera, the privatization of the property of the oligarchs on the side of the regime, federalization, a change of elites on the ground in each region, and only then - reunification.

        Reunion with whom? Now with the Russian oligarchs? lol
        What you write will never happen, because in the event of successful privatization of the property of oligarchs in Ukraine, this “experience” may be liked already in Russia itself, and Putin himself set the taboo on this topic.
        Isn't that why the “guarantor” speaks of an independent (separate from Russia) country with a neutral, not bloc policy?
      3. Normal ok
        Normal ok 10 February 2017 12: 18
        +1
        Quote: the most important
        And how to break? Zakharchenko can do it best. After the command to attack and capture Kiev. Then, for some time, there should be cleansings from Bandera, the privatization of the property of the oligarchs on the side of the regime, federalization, a change of elites in the field in each region, and only then - reunification

        Well, why write such nonsense? Just a couple of facts:
        - Firstly, Zakharchenko himself does not decide anything, the figure is not of such level;
        - from Donetsk to Kiev almost 600km in a straight line. What kind of grouping do you need to have to go over 600km with battles, while covering the flanks and leaving full garrisons in all cities? Yes, and so that the storming of Kiev remains. Without the full intervention of the Russian army, this is in principle not possible.
        - you write about "privatization". And who needs it? Russian authorities? So she herself is oligarchic.
        - change of elites. Do not make me laugh. This is what kind of personnel reserve does one need to have in order to change the elite in the territory of the 2-th largest country in Europe? It’s still necessary to grow personnel, it’s no secret that in Donetsk there are not enough honest, and at the same time professional, people.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 6 February 2017 10: 26
      +5
      Even if it turns out to return Ukraine, then it is subject to quarantine for 30-40 years. While the people have brains straightened and a new generation will grow. But first, there should be a federation with the broadest powers that form the growth points of this return.
      1. megavolt823
        megavolt823 6 February 2017 17: 48
        +7
        emotionally. everyone writes like true patriots. just nothing about all this. let's figure it out. Russia (tsarist) and the USSR did not take away peoples and nationalities. and territory. systematically and methodically. you were stripped and your pants took off. and you all: well, give a hat, well, give. this is not what we need to talk about. territories taken must burden those who stole them. in the meantime, these territories only create problems for us. if you can’t influence the situation. change your attitude to the situation. Well, maybe someone will understand what I mean? hi
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 6 February 2017 23: 23
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        Even if you manage to return Ukraine, then it is subject to quarantine for 30-40 years. While the people have brains straightened and a new generation will grow.

        You complicate the question. The postulate, "Being determines consciousness" has not been canceled. Change living conditions, remove the hellish propaganda and Kaklovsky propapandons, shoot a couple of tyssh imperious-odious, expropriate the expropriators and that's it, dill will become true shushpanchiki yes
        1. 97110
          97110 7 February 2017 16: 23
          +3
          Quote: Stroporez
          expropriate the expropriators

          This is directly extremism. Do you want the President of the bourgeois republic, calling himself a liberal, to expose himself personally with the ruling class together? Well, keep yourself in control ...
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 7 February 2017 16: 30
            +1
            Quote: 97110
            Do you want the President of the bourgeois republic, calling himself a liberal, to expose himself personally with the ruling class together?

            in kakliya you can wink
      3. Albina Yakovleva_2
        Albina Yakovleva_2 18 February 2017 00: 40
        0
        this is how the generation is growing up. which will certainly repeat the "exploits" of their fathers on the Maidan. even T. Shevchenko wrote such lines “on the Maidan’s stake of the church the revolution idee” nothing is solved without them, and life is not that
  2. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 6 February 2017 06: 11
    +4
    Quote: The same Lech
    Ideally, through a change of power, almost bloodless. And they are also working in this direction.

    Yah... wassat I’m looking at Tymoshenko in the USA. TRUMP at the outhouse is on guard ...
    Poroshenko caches already digs his nose near the residence of TRAMP ... Ukrainian politicians are a miracle of clowning.
    As for the rest of the independent, it would be better to divide it into dozens of two different principalities with which it is much easier to negotiate and deal with than the Kiev regime.

    Time and need will cure the hatred imposed from behind the hillock. And they will cure with Caliber.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 6 February 2017 06: 22
      +7
      When they see it, or when it crashes there, it makes no sense to wait .. In a world full of states living without economics and with a war in their own home. You don’t need to return them at all, no matter how sad it sounds. Let it be a living lesson to all those who consider Russian occupiers and robbers supposedly their land ..
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Quote: The same Lech
      Ideally, through a change of power, almost bloodless. And they are also working in this direction.

      Yah... wassat I’m looking at Tymoshenko in the USA. TRUMP at the outhouse is on guard ...
      Poroshenko caches already digs his nose near the residence of TRAMP ... Ukrainian politicians are a miracle of clowning.
      As for the rest of the independent, it would be better to divide it into dozens of two different principalities with which it is much easier to negotiate and deal with than the Kiev regime.

      Time and need will cure the hatred imposed from behind the hillock. And they will cure with Caliber.
      1. krass
        krass 6 February 2017 07: 09
        +10
        Quote: 210ox
        No need to return them at all, no matter how sad it may sound

        Then why did it all start?
        To protect the Russians? So throughout Ukraine, Russians live and they seem to be not being shot at in the corners.
        The only conclusion from this article is that everything that fell into the DPR and LPR, all the casualties among the population, the billions of dollars lost in Russia and the sanctions under which Russia is sitting — all this was in vain as the whole de facto got the enemy Ukraine (and even with bloody revenge).
        Two stumps of unknown status with unknown status. Suffering of people on both sides.
        Dead end.
        The only difference is that Ukraine is at stake for its own impasse, while Russia is in charge and lays down its life for a stranger.
        IMHO,
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 6 February 2017 07: 22
          +13
          The only difference is that Ukraine is at stake for its own impasse, while Russia is in charge and lays down its life for a stranger.


          Look wider ... RUSSIA is fighting for its survival ... after all, NATO is already striking at its borders with ABRAMS and modernized atomic bombs in GERMANY ...
          can you imagine that RUSSIA would do the same at the borders of GERMANY or the USA?
          The Kiev regime only wants to become a vassal of the USA and BRUSSELS ... without asking the half of the population that does not want this ... as a result, a natural war with an unclear outcome.
        2. 210ox
          210ox 6 February 2017 07: 31
          +6
          And in Odessa, how do you think, they kissed in a hickey? About the fact that Russia puts life for someone else’s dead end .. And when in history it was different .. The Russians always paid with their lives for politics from outside ..
          Quote: krass
          Quote: 210ox
          No need to return them at all, no matter how sad it may sound

          Then why did it all start?
          To protect the Russians? So throughout Ukraine, Russians live and they seem to be not being shot at in the corners.
          The only conclusion from this article is that everything that fell into the DPR and LPR, all the casualties among the population, the billions of dollars lost in Russia and the sanctions under which Russia is sitting — all this was in vain as the whole de facto got the enemy Ukraine (and even with bloody revenge).
          Two stumps of unknown status with unknown status. Suffering of people on both sides.
          Dead end.
          The only difference is that Ukraine is at stake for its own impasse, while Russia is in charge and lays down its life for a stranger.
          IMHO,
        3. Gray brother
          Gray brother 6 February 2017 08: 31
          0
          Quote: krass
          So throughout Ukraine, Russians live and they seem to be not being shot at in the corners.

          Of them there are Ukrainians. They will not be Russian for long.
          [media = https: //youtu.be/VnMFre7EuCU]
          1. krass
            krass 6 February 2017 09: 31
            +2
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Quote: krass
            So throughout Ukraine, Russians live and they seem to be not being shot at in the corners.

            Of them there are Ukrainians. They will not be Russian for long.

            as it turns out just to make a Ukrainian from Russian
            Strange, as an example, Jews were spread rot, they were rotted for thousands of years. But they still did not give up their nationality.
            and here two times and a Ukrainian from Russian .for 20 years.
            why?
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 6 February 2017 11: 12
              +4
              Quote: krass
              Strange, as an example, Jews were spread rot, they were rotted for thousands of years. But they still did not give up their nationality.

              Because they are not satisfied with such a turn of affairs.
              and here two times and a Ukrainian from Russian .for 20 years.

              Means it suits them, in the anti-terrorist operation is full of former Russians participates - they all became Ukrainians.
              That is why Ukraine is not needed, without mass shootings from anti-aircraft guns there can not do, and no one will do it.
              1. Vasiliev Yu
                Vasiliev Yu 6 February 2017 13: 18
                +4
                Quote: Gray Brother
                Quote: krass
                Strange, as an example, Jews were spread rot, they were rotted for thousands of years. But they still did not give up their nationality.

                Because they are not satisfied with such a turn of affairs.
                and here two times and a Ukrainian from Russian .for 20 years.

                Means it suits them, in the anti-terrorist operation is full of former Russians participates - they all became Ukrainians.
                That is why Ukraine is not needed, without mass shootings from anti-aircraft guns there can not do, and no one will do it.

                Yes, this is an indicator. And the fact that in the Donbass many Ukrainians participate against banderlogs is to spit and grind, they are not worth the attention and good words.
                The logic is reinforced concrete. How do your brains work like that? And I’m sure now to argue with me all of these will begin.
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 6 February 2017 18: 31
                  0
                  Quote: vasiliev yu
                  Yes, this is an indicator. And the fact that in the Donbass many Ukrainians participate against banderlogs is to spit and grind, they are not worth the attention and good words.

                  Who and how will separate them from each other. and then what to do with them?
                  1. Vasiliev Yu
                    Vasiliev Yu 7 February 2017 00: 22
                    +1
                    All to let the sausage and carcass.
                    A question the answer.
                    What is the question, and why? did not understand.
        4. V.ic
          V.ic 6 February 2017 08: 32
          +2
          Quote: krass
          atkraina гthrown out

          Why did you start stuttering?
          Quote: krass
          and Russia is heading

          ... and what specifically did Russia “cough” and how many billion?
          Quote: krass
          and lays lives

          ... because he is fighting with ISIS and other tricks, Mr. Ukrobanderovets!
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 6 February 2017 09: 55
            +1
            Quote: V.ic
            ... because he is fighting with ISIS and other tricks, Mr. Ukrobanderovets!

            and Bandera, but Azov Natsik, supposedly not ushlepok ?! let them live? wassat
        5. avt
          avt 6 February 2017 09: 55
          +4
          Quote: krass
          Then why did it all start?

          We didn’t start, we started the US Maidan, and the EU foreign ministers encouraged and even signed some kind of guarantees. List of countries from which they came to announce reluctance? Putin ... took what he could, what was really framed de jure, And the regional partygeneros on the gangway in Kharkov, at least Kharkov itself was leaked. What did you want? What would Russia be cut off in Ukraine to the fullest? Many wanted it, they still want to have great Ukrainian, so much so that then, during their lifetime, Russia burst from tension.
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          after all, NATO is already shaking its borders with ABRAMS and modernized atomic bombs in GERMANY ...

          Aga-inertia of the movement of the foiled plan, curbing the aggressor. "
        6. Aleksandr1981
          Aleksandr1981 6 February 2017 16: 12
          +3
          It was not all of us that started it, but Bandera’s with “supposedly civilized Europeans” and Americans. We just defended ourselves. And in general, judging by the flag, all this does not concern you!
        7. Albina Yakovleva_2
          Albina Yakovleva_2 18 February 2017 00: 43
          0
          at least not the beginning of the Russian Federation. she simply did not allow her territory to be taken away. why the west heaved. initial version don't forget
  3. Nikoha.2010
    Nikoha.2010 6 February 2017 06: 24
    +13
    praying, there is someone ”

    APU gather forces. Yarosh pretended to be with Natsik. The National Guard pulled itself up.
    "In turn, our troops are ready to give the enemy a worthy rebuff and plunge the terrorist forces of Kiev into flight, as it was before," said Basurin.
    Source: http://rusvesna.su/news/1486317474

    We’ll pray for ours!
    1. krass
      krass 6 February 2017 07: 10
      +3
      Quote: Nikoha.2010
      We’ll pray for ours!

      They are not yours, maybe Russia does not recognize them as theirs.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 6 February 2017 07: 40
        +5
        Quote: krass
        They are not yours, maybe Russia does not recognize them as theirs.

        Officially does not recognize.
        According to the article - it is too late to return Ukraine. hi
        1. novel66
          novel66 6 February 2017 10: 13
          +2
          Well, at least a part to return, which
          1. Vasiliev Yu
            Vasiliev Yu 6 February 2017 13: 28
            +5
            Some kind of stupid argument is going on. Deb ilism rolls over.
            Only two options are considered: to join Ukraine and not to join, to leave Ukraine as it is.
            A third option? Give Ukraine to Zakharchenko and Donbass? Let them rule there themselves, but we can’t climb. Only by technology can help the republics to take Kiev, and let them arrange the cleaning themselves.
            It seems like an obvious idea, but again, maybe it is only obvious to me?
      2. vvv-73
        vvv-73 6 February 2017 20: 04
        0
        Power is not the whole nation. Many in Russia recognize their own.
  4. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 6 February 2017 06: 33
    +4
    Quote: 210ox
    .Let this be a living lesson to all those who consider Russian occupiers and robbers as if their lands ..

    Today I saw. And I understood. Let them live as they want ........... Residents of Severodonetsk are ready to declare guerrilla war in Russia in case of direct aggression. I don’t know, maybe they were afraid of provocation, maybe .....? Poll https://youtu.be/t4qJ2qgCahI
  5. sa-ag
    sa-ag 6 February 2017 06: 37
    +10
    "... Because a person playing" long ""

    It’s interesting to look at this “long game” in the context of statistics on the reduction of industrial enterprises since 2000, an amazing game will turn out
  6. shcishcok
    shcishcok 6 February 2017 06: 37
    +8
    the indifference of Ukrainians in relation to their own citizens in the Donbass is simply amazing! how insensitive should one be? civilians are being killed there - but that doesn't matter! kill children! - does not matter. Is the militia fighting with civilians ?! blow up cars, bomb houses? and to the cunning farmer - everything is purple! - not my garden is being bombed - well, okay. Let's wait, the Hto-thread will come and save us. and then we are already with both hands in favor! always have been and will be!
    1. krass
      krass 6 February 2017 07: 12
      +4
      Quote: shcishcok
      the indifference of Ukrainians in relation to their own citizens in the Donbass is simply amazing! how insensitive should one be? civilians are being killed there - but that doesn't matter! kill children! - does not matter.

      In fact, they kill on both sides.
      Both Russians and Ukrainians die there and there.
      Is Zakharchenko Russian?
      Do you think the Russians do not howl in the Armed Forces?
      That and that.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 6 February 2017 08: 26
        +10
        Do you think the Russians do not howl in the Armed Forces?


        Are they Russian? what ... they speak Russian ... but in the soul of the Russian they have nothing left.

        Russian is primarily a way of thinking that allows you to live in peace and friendship with those who want it ...
        for me, the Russians living on the edge of the world are more likely to drill than the Nenets than the person who lives in KIEV and calls himself Russian in words, but in reality applauds the burning of Russian people in ODESSA.
        1. krass
          krass 6 February 2017 08: 49
          +3
          Quote: The same Lech
          Do you think the Russians do not howl in the Armed Forces?


          Are they Russian? what ... they speak Russian ... but in the soul of the Russian they have nothing left.

          Russian is primarily a way of thinking that allows you to live in peace and friendship with those who want it ...
          for me, the Russians living on the edge of the world are more likely to drill than the Nenets than the person who lives in KIEV and calls himself Russian in words, but in reality applauds the burning of Russian people in ODESSA.

          you have a beautiful theory.
          Everyone who suits you - a priori Russian --- even if they are dad ace from the Mumba Yumba tribe - and the Russians who are not included in your system of values, by the machine gun of Ukrainians or someone else.
          you can live in your looking glass — but the reality is that Russians (like all other nationalities) are different and it’s not at all necessary that your point of view on Russianness corresponds to the point of view of Vanya Prokhorov from Vologda — does this entitle him, delete you from the Russians?
          Think about it.
          the same as you, only on the other side of the border - they claim that the best in the world was invented by them and even dug up the Black Sea
          on the expanses of the Earth periodically such as you are a theorist of exceptional nations — first they begin to shoot their own (not included in their line of values) - then they begin to climb to their neighbors.
          It all ends in a world carnage
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 6 February 2017 08: 57
            +7
            that are not included in your system of values ​​- machine gun Ukrainians or anyone else.


            And who gave the right to enter the Donbass value system with Khokhlam rifles ... who gave them the right to rob the Russian person of the right to speak their native language ... do not deceive yourself and others with the so-called liberal values ​​... where an aggressive minority imposes its will most ... there is a limit to everything and the Kiev regime should sooner or later meet the resistance of people ... and if KIEV does not stop it will only be worse for him, in the long run it is the path to self-destruction.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 6 February 2017 09: 58
              +5
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              where an aggressive minority imposes its will on the majority ...

              our aggressive minority has been tearing the country for a quarter of a century - and where are the people ?!
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 6 February 2017 10: 18
                +3
                our aggressive minority has been tearing the country for a quarter of a century - and where are the people ?!

                People believe in fairy tales sitting on the couch.
                There is nothing to be done about it until some kind of idea takes over the masses.

                Marx briefly and succinctly said the idea becomes material power when it takes possession of the masses.
                And the tales of the bourgeois world are just beautiful tales for millions of people ... a small handful of billionaires tied to power takes the cream.
          2. avt
            avt 6 February 2017 09: 59
            +3
            Quote: krass
            you have a beautiful theory.

            Normal, in life more than once rescued the country from the ruins to lift, in contrast to the Natsik different spill. That's why Berlin is already tired of taking it somehow, well, after another attempt to civilize us and explain to us the next, universal human values ​​"and your national classification.
      2. Albina Yakovleva_2
        Albina Yakovleva_2 18 February 2017 00: 47
        0
        Donbass is not Russian ..... Russian-speaking. there the basis of the population of the Jews. resettled by Peter and Catherine for the development of the border territories which was called Novorossia
        1. Parsec
          Parsec 18 February 2017 02: 30
          0
          Quote: Albina Yakovleva_2
          Donbass is not Russian ..... Russian-speaking. there the basis of the population of the Jews. resettled by Peter and Catherine for the development of the border territories which was called Novorossia

          Well, when was this, already the basis?
          For 1914, the largest ethnographic groups in Yekaterinoslav, Kherson and Taurida provinces were Ukrainians 56,7%, Russians - 21,2%, Jews - 7,4%, Germans - 4,4%, Greeks - 3,5%, Moldavians - 2,8%, Tatars and Turks - 1,2% Poles - 0,8%, Bulgarians - 0,4%
          Whistle unnaturally, girl.
  7. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 6 February 2017 07: 01
    +9
    This miracle is not necessary at all.

    Wait for the collapse of the county principalities. Those who want to come to Russia really - to take on strictly parity with the Russian regions grounds, without subsidies (otherwise it will be the fulfillment of the wet dream of Svidomites - Russia will continue to pay). Other areas - let the real owners take them - Poles, Hungarians, Romanians. But so that there would never again be such disgrace as an independent Ukraine near Russia!
    1. igor1981
      igor1981 6 February 2017 07: 49
      +5
      Really effective option. Each region must decide where, how and with whom it wants to live. That is why we first need to federalize Ukraine. I think the whole southeast wants to become part of Russia. But only as a part of regions, not some republics like Crimea. And let the rest of the areas live as they want.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 6 February 2017 16: 58
        +1
        Quote: igor1981
        That is why we first need to federalize Ukraine.

        I have an assumption that this is exactly what the authorities in the Russian Federation thought, in May 2014, it is necessary to achieve the federalization of Ukraine, so that later the regions pursue pro-Russian politics, laughter and more, the people do not play any role in politics (see referenda), the impact on politics is provided by those who possess financial resources, and now Peskov informs the electorate that everything that happens in the Donbass is a purely domestic Ukrainian business ...
  8. Charond
    Charond 6 February 2017 07: 20
    +3
    But Ukraine as a whole, as part of Russia, does not need to be returned at all, either now or later.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 6 February 2017 08: 22
      +3
      Little Russia needs to be returned, but the so-called. we do not need Ukrainians.
      1. Charond
        Charond 6 February 2017 12: 21
        +1
        It is necessary to return the cities of Russia stolen from Russia primarily during the CPSU, because a significant part of the Russian population still lives in these cities. It’s too late to return all the rest; there the bulk of the population of Bandera is there. Of course, everything can be returned, but in Bandera cities full deportation will be required, since it is absurd to take Bandera to the Russian Federation.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 6 February 2017 15: 41
          +2
          What does it mean late? We need cities, and Bandera can even in Canada, at least in the grave, their opinion does not interest us.
          1. Charond
            Charond 6 February 2017 21: 20
            +2
            Good. Take Kiev as an example. Have you seen much that there were rallies against Bandera ?! I did not see. So there are all Bandera, or those who are satisfied with Bandera. The fact that the Bandera people are (scary) and they are not afraid of an argument there, because they came out against the Bandera in Odessa and Kharkov, I am silent for Donbass and Crimea. Do you propose that Kyiv, populated by Bandera and their supporters, be included in the Russian Federation ?! If so, then I am categorically against it! Do you suggest deporting the entire population from Kiev ?! It is very troublesome and difficult.
      2. Albina Yakovleva_2
        Albina Yakovleva_2 18 February 2017 00: 49
        0
        But Little Russia itself wants to be part of the Russian Federation ... let's ask Zakharchenko !!
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 February 2017 08: 08
    +5
    Sorry for cynicism, but Ukraine is too early to return

    Sorry for cynicism, but there is no need to return it (Ukraine) until it cleans itself of its crap (what comes out of the human body as a result of vital activity.).
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 6 February 2017 10: 15
      0
      So he writes about this. wassat
    2. You Vlad
      You Vlad 6 February 2017 13: 15
      +2
      I agree, you still need to help them with cleaning, as well as help healthy forces come to power!
    3. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 6 February 2017 20: 32
      0
      It is not necessary to return it, to ensure a peaceful life for the republics as in Ossetia with Abkhazia, then to draw cunning plans, although Nazism itself will not be eliminated, the situation will degrade for 3 years
  10. EvilLion
    EvilLion 6 February 2017 08: 41
    +5
    Until 2019, apparently, they will not touch it, simply because of the gas pipeline. Further HZ, and even during this period something can explode somewhere. And so 30 million of them are 5 percent (this is 0.75 million from 30, if you discard children who still can fix their brains and old senility who die themselves soon) are treated only through life-giving euthanasia. I have doubts that the Kremlin knows exactly what to do with all this, not because they’re stupid, but because they think, like couch experts who have bombed from Aleppo, not draw a agenda, because a large-scale military operation can demand a contingent of hundreds of thousands, and not bring down the level of their comfortable life along with the economy, otherwise KAMAZ columns for 3-3.5 million (the rest are already in Russia) of the Donbass and putting Crimea in order, we will still pull, and if investments increase several times, then HZ.

    In general, the first Ruin stretched essentially to Mazepa, who was a very faithful and diligent supporter of Peter before running to Karl, this one could drag on no less. And yes, in 1623 there was still a request that how could it be that the Orthodox are being hounded, you are Your Majesty, send Russian soldiers to fight with Poland.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 6 February 2017 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: EvilLion
      in 1623 there was still a request that how could it be that the Orthodox were being hounded, you are Your Majesty, send Russian soldiers to Poland to fight.

      ... "in 1623" in the Moscow kingdom, "Russian soldiers" have not yet been observed! "AT 1631 in Moscow in the first two soldier regiments "http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/es/85837/POLKI
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 6 February 2017 08: 53
    +3
    Persimmon is not ripe ... Steshin is right ...
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 February 2017 10: 13
    +3
    Wise article. And completely in tune with my position. Sorry, only one plus can be put to the article.
  13. Bat
    Bat 6 February 2017 10: 23
    +2
    Well done. Bravo.

    He said everything correctly.
  14. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 6 February 2017 10: 55
    +14
    We do not need Ukraine, from the word "completely." But Donbass, Kharkov, etc., we pissed off ourselves. There was an opportunity to get all this while the “West” darted in a panic after the Crimean events. However, we were afraid that suddenly NATO would come and return everything. And time was lost. And then our Western "partners" came to their senses, saw that our military machine was standing at the border and waiting for something and went all-in, threatened to arrest all foreign currency accounts of Russia and its citizens abroad, disconnect Russia from SWIFT and reconsider with Russia the Schengen agreement and even introduce a moratorium on the departure of Russian citizens to the EU, that is, they hit the sickest of our ruling "elite". And all-we slowly crawled back to our "booth." And then there was a breakthrough to Mariupol and there was also a chance to break through at least a corridor to the Crimea and again a formidable shout from the EU and the USA followed- "bank savings! SWIFT! Schengen agreements! Moratorium on entry into Europe and the USA!" The cool thing is that they did not believe in this "West" before, they still do not believe that there are no Russian troops in Novorossia and they believe that these territories are occupied by Russia. Since they think so, why the hell are we sitting and waiting? Maybe for a long time they had to be really "occupied" ....
    1. Aleksandr1981
      Aleksandr1981 6 February 2017 16: 33
      +7
      I absolutely agree with you! And we swept Ukraine all 23 years and the Maidan. Ignored the books “Ukraine is not Russia”, ignored the history textbooks about the sea diggers, continuing to say that they are our brothers and giving them gas discounts. In 2014 there was still a chance for Odessa and Kharkov, now it is gone and I think it will never be! I don’t understand people arguing about what kind of Ukraine we need: the question is, do we need Ukraine? They there are all convinced that Russia ruined their lives, and the percentage of people who believe in this is growing every day. And people in the Donbass are also disappointed with Russia. Odessa and Kharkov needed to be picked up, and then surrounded with barbed wire and forgot about them forever!
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 6 February 2017 17: 45
        +2
        Quote: Aleksandr1981
        And we swept Ukraine all 23 years and the Maidan.

        Well, 20 years ago, the very existence of Russia was in question, so it was not up to the rest.
        Quote: Aleksandr1981
        Odessa and Kharkov needed to be picked up, and then surrounded with barbed wire and forgot about them forever!

        Unfortunately it doesn’t work out - they won’t forget about us, but why is it so close at hand?
  15. lukewarm
    lukewarm 6 February 2017 11: 25
    0
    Alexander Rogers is often published here. Gathers many advantages and his opinion is close to me, so I will allow myself a reference
    http://alexandr-rogers.livejournal.com/774545.htm
    l
  16. pilot69
    pilot69 6 February 2017 11: 52
    +3
    To the very point said! Most of those living in Ukraine live according to the principle: "to betray on time - this is not to betray, but to anticipate" (c). This is from personal experience communicating with representatives of the “Square”, of which there are a great many in Siberia to earn money. And enough already to operate with the concepts of "brothers-brothers", it is indecent already.
  17. Serzh_R
    Serzh_R 6 February 2017 11: 58
    +1
    Everyone is looking at Trump - in which direction the wind will blow.
    Because of some "jumpers", Russia to fight with the fraternal people!
    Does time now work for the Ukrainian coup, for the army - yes, for the economy - no, but the borders are open and no one is holding anyone in Ukraine.
    Brains, however, have the property of delaying g ... but getting there by flushing method.
    Of course, it is necessary to stop the provocations at the Minsk borders using a political method, but there is absolutely nothing to do.
    Putin will no longer be able to stop the Donbas militia, he should inform Poroshenko about this.
    They said in the media: "As you advance through the Russian-speaking territories of Ukraine, the army of New Russia will only grow."
    Japan for military assistance to Ukraine-to punish.
  18. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 6 February 2017 12: 57
    +3
    Take Ukraine either late or too early (underline as necessary). But to ensure the protection of people in the Donbass is a must. They are not pawns in a chess game, they are our people, and they hoped for us!
  19. Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky 6 February 2017 12: 57
    +2
    it would be the height of madness to open the arms of the patients of this plagued leper colony for the violently insane
  20. You Vlad
    You Vlad 6 February 2017 13: 11
    0
    It is an adequate opinion, only by turning back time we can return the minds of Ukrainians! Help an intelligent person come to power and turn the propaganda machine back.
  21. vvu-globus
    vvu-globus 6 February 2017 13: 27
    +1
    And in my opinion, let them jump to the end, let them feel the bottom, and then they will push themselves away from it and swim out. I have classmates at a military school who served in Ukraine, most are Russians, but they also wanted to go to Europe. That's the flag in their hands!
  22. Freeman
    Freeman 6 February 2017 13: 50
    +6
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    We do not need Ukraine, from the word "completely." But Donbass, Kharkov, etc., we pissed off ourselves. There was an opportunity to get all this while the “West” darted in a panic after the Crimean events. However, we were afraid that suddenly NATO would come and return everything. And time was lost. And then our Western "partners" came to their senses, saw that our military machine was standing at the border and waiting for something and went all-in, threatened to arrest all foreign currency accounts of Russia and its citizens abroad, disconnect Russia from SWIFT and reconsider with Russia the Schengen agreement and even introduce a moratorium on the departure of Russian citizens to the EU, that is, they hit the sickest of our ruling "elite". And all-we slowly crawled back to our "booth." And then there was a breakthrough to Mariupol and there was also a chance to break through at least a corridor to the Crimea and again a formidable shout from the EU and the USA followed- "bank savings! SWIFT! Schengen agreements! Moratorium on entry into Europe and the USA!" The cool thing is that they did not believe in this "West" before, they still do not believe that there are no Russian troops in Novorossia and they believe that these territories are occupied by Russia. Since they think so, why the hell are we sitting and waiting? Maybe for a long time they had to be really "occupied" ....

    Comment (trolling) to Steshin's article on the Komsomolskaya Pravda website
    http://www.kp.ru/daily/26638/3657402/

    February 5 22: 06
    A letter from a cryptobandera
    Dear Russians, cryptobandera Ivanov writes to you. I have betrayed you many times in my life. I lived quietly for myself in the Union, in the reserve of communism, here the bam and cryptobandera Yeltsin collects crypto Bandera Kravchuk and crypto Bandera Shushkevich (Shukhevych?) In the Bialowieza Forest and ruins the Union to hell. Even then, I regretted that I did not have an automatic machine to expand Boris Nikolayevich to hell with dogs. While I was running, looking for a machine gun, you elected him president. It's my fault, for a long time this machine was looking for. But this is not enough. I continued to search for the machine gun, but on Russian TV some crypto-Bandera people said that national self-awareness was rising in Ukraine. I realized that everything was according to the plan of Moscow and spent the money collected on the machine for shawarma. I repent, ate it all, by which I betrayed the cause of Great Russia. Then the crypto-Bandera Kuchma wrote the book “Ukraine is not Russia,” for which he was declared Russia's best friend. When I wrote the book “Ukraine and Russia are Best Friends” they called me an idiot and not a single publisher took the book. Then came Yushchenko, who announced that the Russians had destroyed the Ukrainians by hunger because they were Ukrainians and therefore arranged a celebration. There was no reaction from Moscow, and I realized that it was a team from Moscow. Moreover, Prime Minister Yanukovych supported all this, and his party PR became an official partner of the ruling EP in Russia. To understand the picture, I started watching Russian TV and there I saw a large number of some kind of insane Bandera, with whom everyone else was busy with written pockets. And then an idea came to me - if I fight with those characters who come to Moscow, then who will amuse you there? I will destroy your main fun - to give the floor to all trash. It turns out - I will go against the Kremlin. And since you like Bandera so much, then I too slowly become it.
    Kharkov, Ukraine

    PS But there is something in it ...
  23. korriphila
    korriphila 6 February 2017 15: 04
    0
    In principle, I agree. The corpse of today's Ukraine should decompose and the meat should fall off the bones. And all the mourners about the "tears of a child in the Donbass" need to wipe their snot and first of all take their heads in their hands and imagine what will happen when Russia rushes to ruin with all the dope. First of all, this is what our "partners" expect from us in order to launch all the dogs on us. And precisely this goal, EXACTLY THIS, was meant by dill, creating the current provocation.
  24. P0LYM
    P0LYM 6 February 2017 15: 32
    +3
    Everything is true ... I think those who rode in the squares and streets and screaming saliva, moskalyak on gilyaku and Muscovites on knives, and those who silently support all this Nazi scum, hiding in burrows and sticking their tongue in the ass, the entire population of Ukraine should drink the cup of betrayal to the very bottom ... The time to normalize relations will come only when every Maidan horse is physically destroyed. But this is a matter of self-cleaning of Ukraine. I must say that these "little brothers" have already pretty shook themselves up, who only on the "Kukan" remember common roots and family ties, but if you help them, right away ... you don’t have time to turn away, they start to scam ... that the Bulgarians, that the Ukrainians that Belarusians ... It is clear, of course, that there is a steady demand in the world, not even for deterrence, but for the destruction of Russia, for hatred of everything Russian ... And this demand is well paid ... so they line up with their offers ... Ugh ... damn ....
  25. Wened
    Wened 6 February 2017 16: 05
    +1
    If Ukraine is returned to itself, then this will be real, not fictional aggression. Who needs all this?
    What is the next forced imposition of happiness?
    Let the militias and the residents themselves fight, humanitarian aid, volunteers and advisers to help.
    We are not the United States; we have our own way of resolving conflict situations.
  26. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 6 February 2017 16: 09
    +10
    At the moment, if without hypocrisy, I see that the majority of the population of Ukraine are happy with everything.


    I’ll try to explain figuratively how I see people like the author:
    At first, he calmly watches as mercenaries dump a person into a deep well. And then, carefully looks: this person will be selected back or not. And finally instead of helping, concludes: if a person himself did not get out of the well, then a person likes it there.

    I think it's mean.

    “In Ukraine, the majority are“ normal ”” - that's why they sit for the third year, keep quiet, wait, who will take it?

    This man, for example, did not wait: the SBU detained the administrator of separatist groups in social networks in the Dnieper (gorod.dp.ua/news/127728)
    And now what? Does an author like this help this person in any way? Yes, hell there! They will pretend that there are none in Ukraine.
    After all, there are no normal ones. Only "millions 20-30 crypto-Bandera".

    I see that such as the author, it makes no sense to talk about those who are in the prisons of the Security Service of Ukraine and the wells of Dobrobat. It makes no sense to talk about those who have long been dug in the forest belts. Mr. Korban openly admitted this in the film “Battle for the Dnieper”. He is in YouTube, you can see.
    It makes no sense to talk about many others who were led by Putin’s words about the Russian World.

    What for? After all, the author sees here only "cryptobandera"!

    And then a simple thought suggests itself: If all Ukrainians are bad, then you can kill ALL of them!
    This is precisely what those who were destroying the USSR, who were raising fascists, were seeking. They achieved their goal: in the territory of the former USSR, people kill each other.

    And I do not believe that the author has a "heartache" for someone there in Ukraine, if he so easily smears the "20-30 million" Ukrainians with shit!
    1. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 7 February 2017 00: 41
      0
      He wrote everything correctly and is very intelligible. And where are the idiots contrasting themselves with people like you? What do not argue? And even the “commentators” will not be ashamed here, they have already shown their rotten essence.
      There is no time to paint, you have to run to work already.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 7 February 2017 00: 44
        +1
        Quote: vasiliev yu
        There is no time to paint, you have to run to work already.

        - ... a barrel organ-quack, how sweet you sing ...
        - work is work. There is always work. Only sweat for all my years was enough laughing

        1. Vasiliev Yu
          Vasiliev Yu 7 February 2017 11: 11
          0
          I have the most beloved one from Okudzhava and for at least 5 years now, on all phones, I have been on a call, "Your Honor, Madam Luck." True performed by Pavel Luspekaev.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 7 February 2017 11: 16
            0
            Quote: vasiliev yu
            I have a favorite from Okudzhava ...

            - Bulat Shalvovich has a lot of good songs
            - By the way, the one on the record is "filtered." There the phrase sounds like "... a smile would be enough when they beat under the ribs"
            - I know for sure, I was once at a concert .. informal recourse

            PS: oh, damn it ... the stripes on the flag moved out .. you need to change the settings, probably what
            1. Vasiliev Yu
              Vasiliev Yu 7 February 2017 11: 24
              0
              Lucky for you, I have a more boring life, even in 1986 I didn’t go to Rosenbaum’s concert in St. Petersburg, while there was time, I didn’t believe that he was singing, and not some left namesake. ((I still remember how I laughed. And so I didn’t hit bards on anyone, I didn’t listen to him live. ”I agree, loshara, I myself am aware of this.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 7 February 2017 12: 14
                0
                Quote: vasiliev yu
                Lucky for you, I have a more boring life, even in 1986 I didn’t go to Rosenbaum’s concert in St. Petersburg, while there was time, I didn’t believe that he was singing, and not some left namesake. ((I still remember how I laughed. And so I didn’t hit bards on anyone, I didn’t listen to him live. ”I agree, loshara, I myself am aware of this.

                - stop ... what kind of mood? It is not right
                - I'm lucky, yes. I was born in the village of Chernogolovka once (he already has a city), which was ... an academic town, practical
                - seven institutes of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR (chemical physics, solid state physics, further down the list ...), and only one plant ... and that one - Experimental Scientific Instrument Making. EZNP, yeah ...
                - there (to Chernogolovka, in the sense of :)) Nikitins, Kim, Okudzhava came ... Perov was there, Alexander who ... Victor Luferov ... many who were there
                - And there was such a guy, Vladimir Orlov. Which "Altist Danilov" wrote, huh ...
                - therefore I say: lucky yes
                1. Vasiliev Yu
                  Vasiliev Yu 7 February 2017 13: 33
                  0
                  I don’t know Orlova, Perova, Luferova, thanks, I’ll see what they have. Okudzhava is there, not so long ago the Nikitins downloaded and went over the discography, brought it to mind, put all the tags and covers on the tracks. Hands haven’t reached Kim yet.
                  Now the most complete discographies have been downloaded: North Arkady, Alexander Gorodnitsky, Vysotsky (several different discography options), Mikhail Krug, Ivanov Sergey (Moryachok) (served nearby, admired his songs in the late 80s, found him in Volkhov the other day), and But the Secret and Maxim Leonidov. It’s necessary to sort it all out, but there is no time, I already have something, but I downloaded it more fully and the quality is better.
                  It is necessary to sort out more than 80 GB and files of 15 and a half thousand music ((.. In a week you need to arrange a vacation for yourself and take care of restoring order.
  27. sa-ag
    sa-ag 6 February 2017 17: 06
    +5
    By the way, this same Steshin, with his cynicism allowing an accident at a nuclear power plant, is he going to go there as a liquidator, he doesn’t know what it is, I was somehow brought on a business trip to Belgorod in 1986, I saw people evacuating
    1. Old
      Old 6 February 2017 19: 55
      +2
      I agree, somehow it all sounds cowardly.
  28. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 6 February 2017 17: 14
    0
    In principle, it’s right, Ukraine is not Russian but raskazvoryushchie, and let them disentangle themselves that brewed. 50 years is enough for them?
  29. Sheridan
    Sheridan 6 February 2017 17: 14
    +2
    To take is not to take. Time is not time. It is inclined to the option "not time." The client (Yukra) has not yet experienced the whole depth of dissatisfaction with himself. He still does not blame himself and therefore is inclined to wait out (and suddenly everything around is fools). Donbass is fighting for itself and all sorts of help is needed. But how to keep the bandera? Of course, it would be better to close the border and complete blockade of any negotiations with the possessed power. However, it is also not an iceberg. It will have to die with gingerbread.
  30. Raoul
    Raoul 6 February 2017 17: 50
    +2
    I completely agree! The virus of "ukro-Banderism" must destroy itself! Ukraine itself must be cured of this disease if its population wants it. If not, let shameful death be their best deliverance. We should not interfere in this country, struck by this leprosy so far, no matter how sad it sounds.
    1. Old
      Old 6 February 2017 19: 50
      +2
      Viruses themselves do not die, unfortunately.
  31. ando_bor
    ando_bor 6 February 2017 18: 57
    0
    In general, Ukraine cannot be accepted on equal terms, controlled - yes. But not on equal terms — no matter who lives there, having received Russian salaries of pensions, traders and businesses having welded on them, with equal incomes for objective natural and geographical reasons, it will be more comfortable there and they will again jump in, “we are Storage”, we are Europe - and you are a padded jacket.
    And they will pull me up to the Russian level, again at my expense - at the expense of the Russian market and resources.
    1. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 8 February 2017 19: 01
      +1
      I would be better offended by the fact that at your expense and without Ukraine, Russian rats were both gaining weight and were getting fat. Who should live well in Russia? Answer truth.
      Banks are richer before the sanctions, but what about the sanctions, bankers went broke? They have become even richer.
  32. Liberoid-
    Liberoid- 6 February 2017 19: 22
    +1
    Quarantine must be done in Ukraine ... In order to bypass everything and squeeze Svidomo! They are already starting to run away, Steshin is right and writes well (I followed his articles and comments ..) Now they randomly bomb the Donbass and arrange the killing of leaders ... This agony begins! In the words of G. Zhukov, "Standing to death and knocking out manpower and equipment, not a step back .." Soon they will die ...
    1. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 8 February 2017 18: 53
      0
      Until they die, how many more people will they kill? Prefer them to die of banderlogs from old age?
      And Steshin is dumb on the bottom.
      1. Liberoid-
        Liberoid- 8 February 2017 19: 22
        +1
        Quote: vasiliev yu
        Until they die, how many more people will they kill? Prefer them to die of banderlogs from old age?

        I prefer to be shot at in a quiet ... (including in Canada and Australia ..) There are their main caches, since ancient times .. They only know how to destroy and kill in spite, mad dogs in a word ...
        And on Steshin’s account, I liked reading his articles with pleasure ... (now I don’t know how and what ..) But his statement is quite sensible ... There is an epidemic in Ukraine!
        1. Vasiliev Yu
          Vasiliev Yu 8 February 2017 19: 30
          0
          There is an epidemic in Ukraine, therefore it is necessary for everyone, both sick and healthy, who are struggling with the disease, to sprinkle dust on his understanding. STUPID .
          1. Liberoid-
            Liberoid- 8 February 2017 19: 38
            0
            Quote: Vasilyev u
            There is an epidemic in Ukraine, therefore it is necessary for everyone, both sick and healthy, who are struggling with the disease, to sprinkle dust on his understanding. STUPID .

            Fuck off please ... Not up to you, honestly! I expressed my opinion and EVERYTHING! I don’t need to drip on my brains ... Givi was dunked by filth (and peaceful people are fired wildly ..), that's where you need to think and keep the answer ... And you are here with your steshin-journalist .. negative
            1. Vasiliev Yu
              Vasiliev Yu 8 February 2017 20: 34
              0
              Nehru then crap every write. When you start to think like that with your head?
              1. Liberoid-
                Liberoid- 8 February 2017 20: 53
                0
                Quote: Vasilyev u
                Nehru then crap every write. When you start to think like that with your head?

                I’m not forcing you to read ... I repeat, rest ... There are enough whiners without you, "you are our thinking" ... laughing
  33. Old
    Old 6 February 2017 19: 46
    +6
    And in my personal opinion, waiting for Ukraine to mature and fall apart is to give the initiative to the enemy. Not in vain did they prepare the LDNR army. To overturn this whole ukrovermaht is by no means difficult. Enough actions of the EW and VKS troops. With the capture of Mariupol, the LDNR army will replenish with volunteers. First you need to go to the borders of the regions, as promised by Zakharchenko. Yes, there will be losses (but they still exist), to expect that normal people in Ukraine will rise themselves - utopia. Perhaps you just have to wait for the elections in France and Germany, so as not to confuse the cards with our people.
  34. AB
    AB 6 February 2017 20: 11
    0
    I agree with the author that it is too early to take back, both alone (DNI and LC), and everything else. Well, after 10 years, when everyone becomes unbearable, one might think. But, the ammunition in Donetsk and Lugansk must be adjusted, we have so many of them in warehouses ... Still all the old people and children with their mothers would be taken to Russia, settled compactly, to give work. I think we will not be poorer.
  35. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 6 February 2017 20: 25
    +1
    Strange dreams "all Ukraine" We have something to influence it and the West? Trite 1 point of Minsk for 2 years we can’t guarantee, so as not to shoot.
  36. Karabin
    Karabin 6 February 2017 20: 42
    +7
    the person playing the “long”, as well as the many, many millionth group of people who stand behind him needs all of Ukraine
    Your business is bad Donbass, since this slogan from the KhPP was remembered. In 2014, Novorossia was killed under this slogan and betrayed tens of thousands of people flying the flags of Russia on the square of the cities of the furious outskirts. Mr. Steshin and allies, betrayal will always be with you. Neither faith in the Tricky Plan, nor prayers for the Masters of the Multi-Way will help.
    1. P0LYM
      P0LYM 6 February 2017 21: 14
      +1
      Yes, you are a provocateur .. as I take a look .... although maybe not ... maybe you shed blood for Novorossia ...
    2. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 6 February 2017 22: 33
      +4
      I’m always pinned by the fact that people don’t understand how subtly they drive our "multi-step master" in the west. Allegedly scolding, he is everywhere, on occasion called the “greatest grandmaster” in the modern international arena, that is, they flatter not only him, but also deliberately mislead everyone. Why? Yes, because a “grandmaster” is when you sit at a chessboard and play a game where it is almost impossible to cheat, that is, a priori play with “honest” partners in a chess game. But the fact is that the modern political game is not a chess game with equal partners, it is a card game with cheaters who are desperately "bluffing" and cheating at all and conducting a dialogue with them as with honest "chess players", means to ensure in advance defeat in the future. Oddly enough, but only now some understanding of this simple fact has begun to emerge that one cannot be honest with cheaters in a card game on the world political arena, otherwise you will end up as a sucker-divorced in full ...
      1. Vasiliev Yu
        Vasiliev Yu 8 February 2017 18: 49
        +1
        Some have understood this before. For example, I have seen a lot in life, not at a table sitting in the office, but dangling around the country. Having talked closely with normal and obvious fools, and with scoundrels and scum, I predicted the stupidity of the leadership’s actions from the desire to organize BRICS. It seems that our leadership has grown up completely in greenhouse conditions and have never encountered scoundrels and scum, they see everything in pink colors. Now morons have changed the tint on glasses from pink to gray, but the inertia of thinking is a terrible force.
  37. Mouse
    Mouse 6 February 2017 22: 01
    +5
    My friends live in Donetsk. So they say they do not want to go to Russia, but want to be in Ukraine. And they also don’t want to fight, they want "the Russians to come, put things in order and leave us alone." So does it make sense to get into this mosquito? Who wanted to, he immediately left, already found a job. But they come to work with us, but they want to live by themselves.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 6 February 2017 22: 28
      +2
      Quote: Mouse
      wish "the Russians came, put things in order and left us alone

      - them yourself ...
      - and they don’t want the Golden Fish in the kit, for an hour?
      - “Putting things in order” in Ukraine now ... is difficult, at least. There are brain problems, not dirt on the floor request
    2. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 8 February 2017 18: 37
      0
      Do cancer, or pretend to be?
      Judging everyone on a single occasion is a significant indicator.
  38. Mouse
    Mouse 6 February 2017 22: 45
    +2
    So they want the type to expel the "galloping" from the region, and at the same time all the lawless people. And then the "great Ukrainians" themselves scatter. I ask him, do you want our children to go for nothing, and he answers - you help in Syria, and here, like brotherly people, we also need it. When all this mess went in money, I helped as much as I could, sent a couple of parcels. Now I’m thinking, maybe it wasn’t necessary?
  39. Mouse
    Mouse 6 February 2017 23: 28
    +2
    They have become different.
    1. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 7 February 2017 09: 33
      +2
      You too have become different.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 7 February 2017 09: 40
        +5
        Advocacy on your ears hangs here and here, although many people’s interpersonal relationships have not changed. soldier
        1. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 7 February 2017 09: 56
          +5
          You're right. I have maintained the warmest relations with my relatives in Russia.
          But look, for example, at this site. Two years ago there were quite sharp discussions and relevant, but smart articles.
          And now .... Look at the comments - not the Russian flags became a rarity, the main tone of the commentators: "Russia does not need anyone. And especially these Ukrainians." And now the Belarusians. Well, according to the articles ... we got to such frank shit from Steshin.
          I don’t know how to explain this. Maybe this is an editorial policy, or maybe a manifestation of an information war (maybe half of the commentators are employees of the Western Internet troops), maybe this is the opinion instilled by the Russian authorities. I do not know.
          I only see that the "non-Russians" are becoming uncomfortable here. The site is shifting towards the next party of "Russians". Alas! And there was a good site.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 7 February 2017 10: 28
            +4
            Quote: Hlavaty
            And now .... Look at the comments - not the Russian flags became a rarity, the main tone of the commentators: "Russia does not need anyone. And especially these Ukrainians." And now the Belarusians. Well, according to the articles ... we got to such frank shit from Steshin.

            The principle of "divide and conquer" in action. Not everyone is able to understand what is happening, many are engaged in propaganda that is beneficial to certain circles, because the presence of the enemy makes it easier to control people and writing off their shoals on external factors.
            The substitution of concepts, the elimination of internationalist ideology, rewriting of a common history, and as a result of ethnic hatred.
            "Of all the forms of oppression currently existing, the most subtle and dangerous form -
            this is national oppression. She is thin, she covers her predatory face so comfortably
            the bourgeoisie. It is dangerous, it deftly removes thunder from the bourgeoisie, causing
            national clashes. "
            ("Speech at the meeting, May 10-16, 1918, Vol. 4, p. 91.)
            I.V. Stalin.
          2. You Vlad
            You Vlad 7 February 2017 10: 36
            +3
            And I wouldn’t give up in your place, but would defend my point of view! Hidden propaganda of hatred works everywhere in the post of Soviet territory to completely disunite peoples! I’m not embarrassed to express my point of view and often it does not converge with the common one on the side-site! And I have a suspicion that some individuals are not sitting here for nothing, but for a certain purpose .... to pit us. We need a tougher policy of side-measures on national provocations!
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 7 February 2017 13: 38
              +1
              Thanks for the support. And then it was somehow completely sad.
          3. region58
            region58 7 February 2017 12: 07
            +5
            Quote: Hlavaty
            I only see that the "non-Russians" are becoming uncomfortable here. The site is shifting towards the next party of "Russians".

            Many Russians also left (at least not visible), which means something is also not to their liking. The audience of the site has literally changed over the past year. That this is an editorial policy, the pursuit of profit or something else - many are asking this question.
            Quote: Hlavaty
            Alas! And there was a good site.

            Alas ... The site has changed not for the better ...
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 7 February 2017 13: 40
              +1
              I think we need to look at some other site. If you know these - throw in a personal, please.
              1. region58
                region58 7 February 2017 17: 01
                0
                Quote: Hlavaty
                I think we need to look at some other site.

                Nuuu ... Not so bad. Normal guys (and not just guys) here, I think, all the same, most. Each a little bit, you look and it will be good ... Yes, and then, but what about:
                Quote: You Vlad
                And I would not give up in your place, but defend my point of view!

                Immediately leave as it is wrong, flutter more ...
                1. Hlavaty
                  Hlavaty 7 February 2017 21: 24
                  +1
                  So I'm still fluttering wink
                  Only more and more often I think, "Why do I need this?" sad
                  1. Hlavaty
                    Hlavaty 7 February 2017 23: 19
                    +2
                    Here, by the way, is a good article - an answer to Steshin and his ilk:
                    http://antifashist.com/item/kriptogramma-dlya-ukr
                    ainy-mezhdu-molotom-steshina-i-nakovalnej-tarlo.h
                    tml
                    A small excerpt:
                    “the moment when the power in Ukraine is losing its popularity sharply: BP trusts only 5% of the population, President Poroshenko- 10%. Here, it would seem, Russia’s cards in your hands: work with the pro-Russian element, drag the“ hatters ”who were disappointed to their side in the Maidan and Eurocourse ...

                    What do we see instead? The launch into the “orbit” of the cynical Steshin, Tarlo’s statements that the conflict with Ukraine is a personal affair of Donbass, Peskov’s words about non-recognition of LDNR passports.

                    Another tricky plan? No, it seems, this is another recognition of the unwillingness and inability to work with Ukraine and its population. "
              2. Vasiliev Yu
                Vasiliev Yu 8 February 2017 18: 32
                +1
                On any site everything is as in life. And as in life, an aggressive idiot tries to steer everything, or simply adapts to the party’s leading line, which is enough intelligence. Clever argue with fools, uncomfortable. Okay, I don’t like do crayfish and don’t like when fools try to be bolder than me)), I always try to tell them everything I think about them so that they don't star. Enough of the doracks looking at night.
  40. Serzh_R
    Serzh_R 7 February 2017 10: 03
    +2
    Regarding a military solution to the conflict.
    Russia enters Ukraine, destroys all Ukrainian patriots such as we, teachers and working engineers. Moreover, this is often done by the hands of non-believers, paying money for it.
    The result of many years of hatred from generation to generation.
    No, it should not be!
    There are peoples in Russia who practically do not forget this.
    If the people are against, then the putschists are taken out of the "workplaces" within a week.
    To force the Ukrainian leadership to hold a referendum not for joining NATO, but for giving Novorossia autonomy status.
    The methods are different, up to the online voting with unofficial results.
    What further pull the veins from the people of Donbass while doing nothing.
    There is no promotion of the Minsk agreements, do something else political. The head should think, if there are no ideas on which life depends, change your place.
  41. Isograph
    Isograph 7 February 2017 11: 40
    0
    That's right. This analytics is real, not bullshit.
    1. iouris
      iouris 7 February 2017 12: 24
      +2
      Cynicism is not analytics. In general, the adoption of such responsible decisions is the prerogative of other structures, and the reporter should only strive to objectively transmit information about the facts.
  42. iouris
    iouris 7 February 2017 12: 21
    0
    Ukraine was, perhaps, until 1654. Today, under the brand "Ukraine" lies the Anti-Russia and Anti-Europe, created by the global Trotskyists to implement the concept of a "unipolar world." In fact, “Ukraine” is a “Eurogill”. At the same time, the Middle East grouping is prohibited, but the European one is not yet. It’s easy to see that Merkel is also trying to use the “Eurogill” to create her “Reich”, as Erdogan tried to do, which a couple of years ago was rushing with the idea of ​​returning to the “magnificent age”.
  43. Olezhek
    Olezhek 7 February 2017 12: 48
    0
    Do you want to accept millions of 20-30 crypto-Bandera people into your family? Not? “In Ukraine, the majority are“ normal ”” - that's why they sit for the third year, keep quiet, wait, who will take it? Do you propose that the militia or the Russian army die for them?


    Very sensibly said ...
  44. Olezhek
    Olezhek 7 February 2017 12: 49
    0
    Only without such normal, thoughtful and harsh “work on mistakes”, no one will accept it back into a friendly family of peoples.


    Is it worth it?
  45. Olezhek
    Olezhek 7 February 2017 12: 51
    0
    At the moment, if without hypocrisy, I see that the majority of the population of Ukraine are happy with everything.


    That's wonderful ...
  46. Alekspel
    Alekspel 7 February 2017 14: 52
    +3
    I fully agree with Steshin. Let life teach Ukrainians. And they need to arrange this learning life. Gas is not sold for free, but at a European price. To block all economic ties, to leave only cultural and special propaganda, which we used to treat with contempt, but now they understand what the West took us to do with it. Now it’s ridiculous that before, for gum and for video, they were sold, and after all, dissidents for the most part behaved the same way. Now I’m looking at the cross-eyed Gozman, after all, he doesn’t even open it, Zhidov’s face that works for Western money, and nothing, he and Amnuel are not ashamed of it. Therefore, we must be brotherly to those who are brotherly to us. Look, even the Chinese respect us more than the Ukrainians (Western, of course) and we should be friends with them. Poles hate us, and hell with them, do not care that they are Slavs, it is better to be friends with Brazilians who respect us. And then we rush about with this Russian world, but it doesn’t exist in Russia either.
  47. rc56
    rc56 7 February 2017 16: 21
    0
    Quote: Cat in Boots
    just announce the recruitment of volunteers

    Send me Zhuchkovsky’s phone number?
    Or will you find it yourself ???
    1. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 8 February 2017 18: 13
      +1
      Why I learn about him only now. And why in shameful Yandex is it constantly being corrected to Zhukovsky and only phones of the city of Zhukovsky give Yandex? Or is this the official attitude of our authorities towards Zhuchkovsky?
  48. ibirus
    ibirus 7 February 2017 17: 14
    +3
    I do not agree with any paragraph. We do not need Ukraine, neither as a brother, nor as a part. She is needed as a sane, reasonable neighbor, with whom relations are built on the basis of mutual BENEFITS, BENEFITS, her mother. And no other way. I do not want to pay for the restoration of Ukraine, which its stupid people - residents have been gouging for 25 years.
  49. Fagelov
    Fagelov 7 February 2017 20: 55
    +1
    For Ukraine to return to the "Russian world", really is not the time. The people still have some reserve of patience. Large or small stock, I do not know.
    Atoshny youngsters have not yet been disappointed in their attempts to build something special in Ukraine. I think that they do not have a well-thought-out, clearly formulated, economic calculation, reinforced model. "Ukraine on nad use", emotions, zigging, a sense of permissiveness - all this, for the time being, hangs consciousness. What a terrible shock is needed to be disappointed in the external attributes of nationalism.
    Ukraine does not see a force that could organize serious resistance. The Communist Party is banned, and its members, mainly the elderly, no longer have the strength and energy to go to the barricades. Active youth is trying to "find themselves" in the ranks of the right sector. The false romance of Ukrainian nationalism attracts them more than the ideas of Marx-Lenin. Party of Regions? People burp from it. Create something new? Where to get the "promotion" of funds? "German money" is not supposed for Ukrainian politicians.
    The conclusion suggests itself: Ukraine must rot for some time, as it is not regrettable. How long? As much as you need to rot! And then her time to return is destined.
  50. valerei
    valerei 8 February 2017 00: 32
    +1
    Currently, the real military force in Ukraine is Bandera. Poroshenko will sit as president and, accordingly, will be able to rob Ukraine only as long as it does not prevent Bandera from robbing too. The implementation of the Minsk agreements is a political, and possibly physical death of Poroshenko. The Natsiks will never agree to the broad autonomy of Donbass, and Donbass will never agree to remain in Ukraine in a different status, if at all. The circle is closed. It can only be torn apart by a war, civil, all-Ukrainian, as in Russia in 1918. Natsiks themselves will never leave anywhere. They can only be exterminated. Persuasion and talk are useless and meaningless, and they have nowhere to go. Ringleaders can run away with money for the "hill", and the rest? By the way, had Poroshenko been smarter, he would have fallen for a long time, otherwise it will not be known what will happen next. Maybe they will not let me topple over. Well, I don’t give a damn about his fate, and the people of Ukraine will certainly wash themselves with blood when they kick the Natsik. Donbass has already begun. But when will it be? Hard to say. Temporal forecasts are not reliable. Most likely the main people didn’t get to the “pen” yet. It is necessary that not only the “lower classes” do not want, but also that the “upper circles” cannot. And now the “lower classes” are silent and the “upper circles” so far can.