October and the nuclear shield of the Fatherland are inextricably linked

Year 100 anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, gives rise to a lot of thought about the past, present and future of Russia. And one of the topical issues here is the topic of communication between October and the national nuclear weapons. This topic can be opened, so to speak, "in the forehead." That is to begin with the fact that the emancipation of all active national forces, which became the most important civilizational result of the October Revolution, ensured the rapid and comprehensive development of science and technology. And it was precisely the scientific and technical take-off that gave Soviet Russia the opportunity in the shortest possible time to abolish the US atomic monopoly and reliably protect its external security.

But you can look at the question differently: would Russia receive this absolute Shield if it were not for the October 1917 of the year? Could bourgeois Russia, in just a third of a century, be able to develop in scientific, technical and industrial terms, so that by the end of the 1940s, it would be possible not a Soviet, but a Russian nuclear bomb?

TSARISM: NOT A POWERFUL SCIENCE, NO NEED PERSONNEL

The well-known Leonid Mlechin 10 January 2017, in an interview with the host of the program "Reflections" on the OTR channel, stated that if it weren’t World War I, then we now would have a constitutional monarchy and a portrait of the sovereign would hang here.

For all historical the ignorance of this particular statement itself an alternative approach to the analysis of the past is quite legitimate and scientifically sound. And so we ask ourselves: could a monarchist Russia or Russia, stuck in February 1917 and not resolved in October 1917, become nuclear?

Today it is sometimes remembered that the Russian industrialists Ryabushinsky showed interest in the radium problem and interacted with academician Vernadsky. However, anyone who wants to know the exact state of things, can, getting acquainted with the pre-revolutionary history of Russian industry, can easily be convinced that even the large capital of tsarist Russia was by no means progressive, not directed toward the future. The same Ryabushinsky were, above all, manufactories - like most of their fellow tribesmen, who were pumping profits from Russian lands and from the Russian masses. As for the pioneering, knowledge-intensive industries, tsarist Russia was idly trailing behind, and this was not due to lack of talent in Russia, but to the primitive and anti-Russian essence of the then "elite" - both the tsarist administrative and the bourgeois economic.

Let us turn to the origins of scientific and technological progress.

In 1831, the Englishman Michael Faraday invented the dynamo machine - an electric current generator. In 1839, the American Charles Gudiyr discovered the process of rubber vulcanization, which made it possible to introduce rubber into widespread use, including in electrical engineering. From the beginning of the 1840-s, the German Ernst Werner Siemens was involved in electroforming. In May, the first long-distance communication between Washington and Baltimore was established in the United States - 1844 kilometers through the Morse electromechanical telegraph. In Europe and America, the electric age began.

But Russia could quickly become a mighty electric power! Moreover, this opportunity was associated, among others, with two specific names of subjects of the Russian Empire - Boris Jacobi and Emilia Lenz.

The distinguished electrical physicist Moritz Herman Jacobi (1801 – 1874), who became Boris Semenovich, was born in Potsdam, studied in Göttingen, worked in Königsberg, from 1835 year - after moving to Russia, began working at Dorpat University, and from 1837 year to end of life - in St. Petersburg. Boris Semenovich considered Russia to be his second fatherland, and it was here that he made all his major inventions and discoveries.

Jacobi was a talented “applied” scientist and engineer - the perfect combination for the development of new branches of technology! In 1834, he designed the first electric motor, and later successfully developed the issues of telegraphy, electrochemistry and electroforming, electromagnets, mine electrical engineering, electrical measurements, design and production of underground and submarine cables.

Jacobi designed electrical devices, developed more than 10 types of telegraph devices, including direct printing. He gave a lot of energy to the production of electrical engineering education in Russia, but ...

But, for example, its switch-mode synchronous-in-phase telegraph electromagnetic devices are widely used in ... Germany. Ernst Siemens - not only a capable inventor, but also a clever entrepreneur, using the ideas of Jacobi, received a patent in Prussia and, together with the mechanic Galske, began to carry out orders for carrying out telegraph lines. However, Siemens also began electroplating also not without acquaintance with the works of Jacobi, since the latter published a full description of the electroforming process as early as 1840, deliberately not taking a patent and passing his invention for general use.

Back in 1841 – 1842, Jacobi spent in St. Petersburg — one of the first cable lines in the world — the Winter Palace — the Main Headquarters and the Winter Palace — the General Directorate of Communications, and in 1843, the cable line from St. Petersburg to Tsarskoye Selo, 25 kilometers in length. However, Jacobi was a scientist, not a businessman, and as a result, the telegraph lines connecting Petersburg with Warsaw, Revel (Tallinn), Helsingfors (Helsinki), and a number of others in Russia in the 1854 (Helsinki), and Siemens were laying in Russia.

The large profits from these projects, and especially the laying of the telegraph Petersburg Petersburg - Sevastopol during the Crimean War, allowed Siemens to open a large plant instead of a small Berlin workshop, marking the beginning of the future electrical engineering concern Siemens-Halsk. So Europe in the Russian hump drove into the electric age.

But after all, Nikolaev Russia had in those years not only Boris Jacobi, but also Emilia Lenz (1804 – 1865) - also an outstanding physicist! And the list, as they say, can go on and on - after all, even Yablochkov, Lodygin, Dolivo-Dobrovolsky are not mentioned above ...

Let us take an example from a related pioneer branch of science and technology ... The world history of radio engineering and radio electronics begins, in fact, with the beginning of the twentieth century, although Alexander Stepanovich Popov made his first radio experience with the radio on May 7 of the year. And this is what the 1895 Military History Magazine No. 5 reports to us for a year, where, in an article on the role of the creator of radio, A.S. Popov and the birth of radio communications in the Russian army said the following (for the vastness of quotations I do not ask for forgiveness):

“The fact and circumstances of the emergence and widespread use of radio in the Russian Navy are generally recognized and thoroughly studied. navy. Despite the efforts of A.S. Popov and his followers and associates, officials of the Maritime Department, to the beginning of the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905. in Russia, an industrial base for the manufacture of radio communications was not formed ... Already during the above-mentioned war, the leadership of the Maritime Department was forced to feverishly take urgent measures ... Paradoxically (in fact, it is quite logical for tsarist Russia! - SB) , but the handiwork of the domestic inventor was at that time under the control of foreign suppliers, primarily the German company Telefunken. With her, it was necessary to conclude an unprofitable, but necessary contract for the supply of innovation ... "

And further:

“The situation with the development of radio engineering has changed dramatically in literally 2 – 3 of the year. If before that A.S. Popov in the letters of A.N. Rybkin (Popov’s closest assistant - S.B.), sent from Germany and France, noted that in these countries there is nothing new and that domestic developers are not lagging behind foreign developers, then already in 1900 – 1901. it was possible to observe otherwise: domestic innovative thought lagged behind foreign. Thus, due to the lack of adequate support from the state and the production base in Russia, the radio equipment was slowly improved. At the same time, the government of Germany and England paid maximum attention to this problem. In these countries, substantial funds were allocated, work was carried out at the best electrical plants, special laboratories were created, the best specialists who showed themselves in the new field of technology were involved in the developments ... "

The same depressing was the picture in the field of instrument-making, fine mechanics, fine industrial chemistry, materials science, nonferrous and rare metals metallurgy, development and production of equipment for scientific experiments ...

At the same time, the tops of Tsarist Russia behaved foolishly and criminally in relation not only to the scientific and industrial base of the emerging modern industries, but also to those who create all this - to the scientific and technical personnel.

Here are two more quotes from articles by Academician Vladimir Ivanovich Vernadsky.

The first is from the article “On the professorial congress”, published in the 3 No. of the liberal newspaper Our Days from 20 in December 1904:

“Professors of higher educational institutions - universities and technical institutes - nowhere in the civilized world are currently placed in such a humiliating position as in Russia. Over the past decades ... only the position of teachers in a university relic - in a forgotten scholastic university of the Philippine Islands, could be compared with the legal status of professors of the great Russian people.

... The attitude of the state authorities towards them ... is in complete contradiction with the place that a professor should occupy in the life of his people, sharply violates the living state needs of the country.

Russian professor is under special police supervision. Each of his steps and each word that he carelessly said may cause and cause ... cessation of professorship, constraint, and sometimes many years of weakening of his scientific work ... "

And the second is from the article “Razgrom”, published in the 43 number of the newspaper Russkie Vedomosti from February 23 of the year 1911:

“Our century - the twentieth century - is a century of science and knowledge. Every year, every day, the power of knowledge increases in all areas of life, thought, social, home, state-building. It captures all aspects of human existence. And there is no doubt that the great historical process is just beginning ...

In this age, in our time, state power and state power can be strong only in close union with science and knowledge. In the merciless struggle of states and societies, win and win are those on whose side is science and knowledge, who know how to create cadres of workers who own the latest successes of technology and precise thinking ...

Now we are facing a new national disaster ... we are facing the defeat of Moscow University, the Kiev Polytechnic - before the deep shock of the entire higher education of our homeland ... The blow to the high school is a blow to the centers of scientific thought and scientific creativity of the nation ... The death or decline of high school is a national misfortune , as it undermines one of the main cells of the existence of the nation.

Above the high school, the experiment of “solid power” is manifested. He led to the inevitable departure from her hundreds of teachers ... "

RUSSIA RYABUSHINSKY - ADVANCE SECOND GRADE

Could such a tsarist Russia become not only the second nuclear power of the world, but in general - nuclear and in the twentieth century, thereby protecting itself from possible aggression or forceful dictation? The question should be clearly attributed to the rhetorical, that is, the answer is not requiring. But, perhaps, that failed constitutional monarchy, which Mlechin longs for and which the Ryabushinskys want, would be capable of?

Well, here's another quote - from the notes of Mikhail Ryabushinsky, who was trying to take the Russian market into the hands of ... flax. Ryabushinsky recalled: “How lightning came to me ... thoughts. Russia produces 80% of the world's raw materials for flax, but the market is not in the hands of Russians. We will capture it and make it a monopoly of Russia ... It is said, done. " However, it was not so easy to do it. Even the Ryabushinskaya brothers, who were powerful in Tsarist Russia, started the “flax” project in 1908 and, having spent a lot of effort, were able to concentrate no more than 1917% of Russian linen factories by 18 in their hands.

But before the First World War, the Russian economy was successfully tidied up by Western Europe, and if that changed during the war, it was in the sense that the US capital was intensively introduced into the economy of Russia, like in Western Europe, and in November 1916 of the year the same Mikhail Ryabushinsky in the note “Purpose of our work” lamented:

“We are experiencing the fall of Europe and the rise of the United States. The Americans took our money, entangled us with enormous debts, enriched themselves immeasurably ... The fall of Europe and the cession of its primacy in the world to another continent - after so much heroism, genius, perseverance and intelligence shown by old Europe ... "

Ryabushinsky further expressed the hope that Europe "will find the strength to revive again" and that in this case Russia will also have the opportunity to develop its productive forces and enter the "broad road of national prosperity and wealth." However, not the manufacturers and bankers Ryabushinsky, who profused the Russia they had, had such a gulliver task. The “old” Europe - even entangled with “colossal debts” to America, firmly held the Romanovs' Russia by the throat with no less enormous debts! And this is not counting Russian debts to America.

Could the bourgeois Russia of the Ryabushinskys be able to - if it were to replace the Romanovs' Russia, it would take the broad road of national flourishing, first-class industrial power, advanced science and technology?

Soviet science researcher Professor Lauren Graham from the USA wrote in 1980-ies:

“The 1917 revolutions occurred in a country in critical condition. In general, the Soviet Union was a backward and underdeveloped country, for which the early resolution of major economic problems was vital. As is often the case in the underdeveloped countries, which still have a small layer of highly educated specialists, Russia's previous scientific tradition was primarily of a theoretical nature. ”

Here is a digital illustration of this general thesis: in 1913, Russian universities released 2624 lawyer, 236 clerics and all 65 communication engineers, 208 - railway engineers, 166 mining engineers, a hundred builders (together with architects). And even the engineers of factory production were released a little over 2000. Just!

Would the virtual “constitutional monarchical” Russia of the Ryabushinskys provide not only an industrial, scientific and technical, but also a personnel base for effective nuclear work?

This is also a rhetorical question. Only the socialist Soviet Union was able to deliver and solve the task of the country's civilizational transformation.

Already Lenin looked at it this way:

“We will go our own way, trying to test and recognize the real organizers, people with a sober mind and practical wisdom, people connecting devotion to socialism with reduction without noise (and despite turmoil and noise) to build strong and friendly work together as carefully and patiently as possible. a large number of people within the Soviet organization. "

The Stalinist 1930s made only one adjustment to this principle: there was no time to test and recognize real organizers “as carefully and patiently as possible”. Time itself recognized them, and the worthless were quickly discarded.

23 June 1931, at a meeting of business executives, Stalin stated:

“No ruling class did without its own intelligentsia ...

The Soviet government took into account this circumstance and opened the doors of higher educational institutions in all branches of the national economy for the people of the working class and the working peasantry ...

If earlier, under capitalism, higher educational institutions were the monarchy of the bargeyuk, now, under the Soviet system, the workers and peasants' youth constitute the dominant force there ... "

How were these words to be perceived and perceived by hundreds of thousands of Soviet students in hundreds of new Soviet universities? The answer is unequivocal: with the desire to master the knowledge as best as possible and to use it as best as possible for the construction of intelligent and beneficial life for all peoples of the USSR.

In the 1928 year, such young enthusiasts, future scientists, engineers, teachers and doctors, there were only 159,8 thousand people for the whole Union - not so much compared to 1913 the year when 112 thousand students studied at universities which then included future bishops with an assembly of lawyers).

But already in the 1932 year, students in the USSR had 594 thousand.

And by the year 1941 - 811,7 thousand people.

This meant that in the ten years before the war, millions of young professionals of the highest qualifications were brought up in the country! And they were all focused on the needs of living life, and all were claimed by it!

A massive reference calendar for 1941 offered young citizens of the USSR to choose from more than seven hundred institutes: industrial and polytechnic, engineering and mechanical, energy, mining, metallurgical, chemical and technological (10 at once!), Construction and architectural, aviation (7!), Food industry and public catering, medical, agricultural, pedagogical, library, economic and many others ... By 1941, the new Russia had six institutes of physical culture - in Moscow, Leningrad, Minsk, Kharkov, Tbilisi and Baku ... And among economic, for example, institutions, planning institutions and institutions of national economic accounting were singled out.

Would Russia have had all this with that “constitutional monarchy”, according to which the former nomenklatura “fighter of the ideological front of the Central Committee of the CPSU” Mlechin and others like him shed tears? But there is one more personal aspect here ... Only the feeling of bewilderment is caused by the position of those who distort the essence of the very epoch that created them. For example, rocket pilot Boris Chertok, who fruitfully worked in Soviet rocket science, but became especially famous for his “post-Soviet” memoirs, “Rockets and People,” wrote in them:

“German firms worked on a host of technical problems on their own initiative, without waiting for instructions from“ above, ”they didn’t need Gosplan solutions or the people's commissariats, without which no factory could produce any products.”

You read and you wonder! So you can write about your own past only when you don’t understand anything in it! The fact that today - without any instructions from above - thousands of factories do not produce any products at all, since they closed or breathed their last, Chertok did not consider a crime. But on the Leninist-Stalinist USSR with its Gosplan economy, the style of which the whole world acquired at one time, Chertok had enough black paint. Describing the German instrument and radio industry, he writes:

"... The firms" Hartmann and Brown "," Telefunken "," Anschütz "," Siemens "," Lorenz ", AEG," Rode-Schwartz "," Askania "," Karl Zeiss "long before World War II used the world fame.

This created a solid technological base, which we did not have at the beginning of the war in these sectors at the right scale ... "

But after all, there was no solid scientific and technical and industrial base of advanced branches of science and technology in the USSR at the beginning of World War II, because by the 1917 year in the Russian Empire there was no such base at all! I remind it for everyone who is "forgotten"!

And the fault is not only on the tsar and his dignitaries indifferent to science and technology, but also on resourceful businessmen like the Ryabushinskys and Tereshchenko. Russian businessmen made capital on highly profitable textile, sugar, etc. industry, but did not complain troublesome advanced industry!

Chertok, reproaching either Stalin or the Stalin era as a whole, declared:

“Our general-purpose electrical appliance industry, the aviation instrumentation industry and, finally, marine instrument-making industry were kept only at several plants in Moscow and Leningrad (Elektropribor, Teplopribor, Svetlana in Leningrad, Aviribor, Lepse, Electrozavod and Manometer "in Moscow).

It is significant that when, after the war, we began to reproduce (with bast shoes and snot, we must assume. —S.B.) the V-2 technique and develop our own rockets, we were convinced that such a device was invented by mankind long ago (what an inappropriate irony! -SB .), as an electrical multi-contact relay, only one Leningrad factory "Red Dawn" can do in our country. In Germany, only the Telefunken company had three similar factories and at least two at Siemens ... "

But could it have been - all the more so after the hardest war, otherwise? After all, when the foundations of a future powerful radio engineering, electrical, instrument-making industry were laid in the world, the situation in Russia was determined not by the Bolsheviks, but by the team of the “beloved monarch” and “God's anointed” Emperor Nicholas II.

However, bourgeois Russia, in a deplorable situation in the sphere of pioneering industries, could not change anything either in personnel, in scientific or technical, or in industrial terms. Failure of the Russian Ryabushinskys was prepared for one fate - a half-resource appendage of the West and the USA. But the nuclear status of the United States, which would have become a reality without the Second World War, would only consolidate the subordinate position of a nuclear-free bourgeois Russia.

NUCLEAR RUSSIA - THE CREATION OF THE DISSOLVATED PEOPLE

In 1930, Stalin warned Russia that it had lagged behind developed countries for a century. And after 10 years, Russia was a different country, and this unprecedented, unprecedented, previously creative work was performed primarily by young enthusiasts, headed by the Soviet scientific and technical youth, yesterday's workers.

Rabfak is a long-forgotten word ... But if all Russian literature came out of Gogol's Overcoat, then a significant part of the Soviet engineering corps came out of the working faculties — the workers' faculties at the higher educational institutions of the USSR.

Say, in 1926, Nikolai Leonidovich Dukhov, the future creator, studied at the faculty of Kharkov Geodetic Institute tanks “Klim Voroshilov” (KV) and “Joseph Stalin” (IS), the chief designer of the Ural Tankograd war era, the future three times Hero of Socialist Labor, two Stars of which were already received for the Atomic problem.

The future first director of the USSR’s first nuclear weapons development center at Arzamas-16, twice Hero of Socialist Labor Pavel Mikhailovich Zernov and founder of the powerful school of design breeders, Hero of Socialist Labor Professor David Fishman, began their work with the atomic problem. However, for that era, this was the rule rather than the exception.

This is the foundation on which Russia's nuclear power was laid.

At the beginning of the 1950s, at the direction of Stalin and Beria, he prepared for an open publication a report on the history of the mastery of atomic energy in the USSR. After the murder of Stalin and Beria, this idea was buried in the archives, and the draft version of the report was declassified only in zero years.

Here is a small extract from it concerning only one aspect of the Atomic Problem - the development of new instruments:

“The work of physicists, chemists, and engineers required a wide variety of instruments. Many instruments of high sensitivity, high precision were required ...

The work of modern industrial enterprises is unthinkable without continuous monitoring of technological processes of production ...

... It was necessary to install about 8 thousand of various kinds of devices for only one nuclear boiler together with the water industry and water purification ...

<...>

The country's instrument engineering has not yet recovered from the just ended war with Hitler Germany. Instrument making in Leningrad, Moscow, Kharkov, Kiev and other cities has not yet been fully restored after the war years. The immense destruction caused by the war made it impossible to quickly obtain the necessary equipment from the factories. It was necessary to quickly restore the destroyed factories and build new ones.

New requirements for precision instruments created new difficulties; the industry had not previously manufactured such precision instruments. Many hundreds of devices needed to be developed anew.

Among these devices there were a lot of completely new devices working on completely new principles that were not previously used in the world instrument engineering ...

... Along with the work on the creation of instrumentation and various kinds of regulators, a series of special manipulators were designed and manufactured ... The manipulator reproduces certain movements of human hands and allows you to perform subtle and complex operations ...

... During the time from 1946 to 1952, the instrument-making plants produced for work in the field of atomic energy 135,5 thousand devices of new designs and more 230 thousand standard devices ...

In the US, a large number of firms were involved in the design and manufacture of instruments. Only the manufacture of instruments for measuring and controlling nuclear radiation in the United States was taken up by 78 firms ...

Long-term relationships with instrument-making firms in Germany, England, France, Switzerland made it easier for US specialists to design new instruments. <...>

The instrument-making industry of the Soviet Union was somewhat lagging behind in its development compared with other industries. This industry in the Soviet Union is the youngest industry ... "

As we see, by the end of 1940's, powerful advanced industries in Russia became a reality, and this ensured the success of the Atomic, Rocket and Space Projects. The peoples of the socialist Soviet Union were able to accomplish all this, but none of these ambitious breakthrough projects would have been bourgeois under the power of Russia.

If we are objective, we will have to admit that today the system situation of the 1917 of the year is repeated in a number of essential moments. With the only difference that by the 1917 year, tsarist Russia was poorly industrialized and did not have high-tech industries, and by the 2017 year Russia was largely deindustrialized, and this is fraught with disastrous consequences. So, for example, in Moscow, on the site of the famous plants created by the Soviet era - the same Kaliber plant, today there are shopping or entertainment centers. The machine tool industry is criminally defeated, in the negligence of the Academy of Sciences, to which October has given a powerful impetus to the development since the beginning of the 1930s. However, is it worth it to continue the martyrology of the domestic high-tech industry and the science itself?

At the same time, we will not be able to get on the road to new power and prosperity if the year of the October 100 anniversary is not the year of its objective assessment, but a year of a destructive, hazy ohah of its outstanding value and a crucial role in creating a great, powerful, united and indivisible Russia. Russia not only Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin, but also Russia Igor Kurchatov and Mstislav Keldysh, Sergey Korolev and Vladimir Ilyushin, Yuli Khariton and Yuri Gagarin ... Of eternal Russia Ivanov and Mari.

Comments

[Mar.Tirah]

Do you propose to stand under the banner of the CPSU? So there are none of them. Even Shoigu says that he didn’t throw out his party membership card and didn’t leave the CPSU. It was eliminated by the leaders of the movement themselves. And why only the Nuclear shield? Restored everything. This can be attributed to all industries.

[vladimirZ]

did not leave the CPSU. It was liquidated by the leaders of the movement themselves - Mar. Thira

The CPSU was liquidated not by the leaders of the movement, but by the traitors “Gorbachev-Yeltsin and K”, who, under no circumstances, can be called leaders of the communist movement - these are modern Judeans who have stained their names for centuries.
About the Communist movement and the KPRF.
It is now necessary for everyone to understand that in Russia, by and large, there are two vectors of movement, not development, because under oligarchic capitalism in Russia there can be no tangible development for the people,
- along the path of oligarchic capitalism, robbing the people and Russia itself, and leading the situation to an inevitable political crisis, the result of which will inevitably be the collapse and destruction of the state like the USSR;
- and the path of socialist orientation, the movement along the proposed path of the Russian Communist Party (Communist Party), the path of restoring social justice for all peoples living on our territory, the power of the people themselves.
All other options are absent, based on the nature of the socio-political development of society.

[RUSS]

Quote: vladimirZ

The CPSU was liquidated not by the leaders of the movement, but by the traitors "Gorbachev-Yeltsin and K", who, in any case, cannot be called leaders of the communist movement - these are modern Judas

Then, to be more exact, the Judasthe communists , and no other way! Gorbachev is definitely a communist and not just a communist, but the Secretary General of the Central Committee Of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union since March 11, 1985 !!!

[Alikos]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: vladimirZ

The CPSU was liquidated not by the leaders of the movement, but by the traitors "Gorbachev-Yeltsin and K", who, in any case, cannot be called leaders of the communist movement - these are modern Judas

Then, to be more exact, the Judasthe communists , and no other way! Gorbachev is definitely a communist and not just a communist, but the Secretary General of the Central Committee Of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union since March 11, 1985 !!!

))Correctly! Clear and hidden Judas (crypto Jews) in the Communist Party and other authorities and destroyed the country, arranged bloodshed, putrefied food at bases, railway stations, warehouses. They poured the country with cheap, filthy alcohol, and drunk the people. Monetary reforms robbed the people. And they are now everywhere, in all leading positions, continuing their policy of extermination of the indigenous peoples of Russia

[vladimirZ]

Then, if more precisely, the Jude-Communists, and no other way! Gorbachev is definitely a communist - RUSS

Write nonsense, RUSS.
For example, General Vlasov, after he became a traitor and sided with the fascist Germany, remained a Soviet general, a patriot of the Soviet Motherland? No, he became a former Soviet general deprived of the rank of “general”, he became a TRAITOR, betraying the people and soldiers whom he had previously commanded. And this name is TRAITOR, Judas eclipsed all his past ranks and merits.
So with the Gorbachev-Yeltsins, after treason, they became former leaders of the CPSU, who can no longer be called communists. They betrayed the ideology that they had previously served, but perhaps they never had it, which they themselves repeatedly admitted.
These were opportunists, hiding enemies who used the communist ideology, the CPSU, in their careerist, selfish purposes, harming the party and the people whom they served.
It is a pity that you do not understand this, and if you understand and use it for the mercenary purposes of denigrating the true Communists, the Communist Party, then you are simply their enemy, and accordingly the enemy of the absolute majority of the people who dream of restoring the socialist system in Russia.

[RUSS]

Quote: vladimirZ

Write nonsense, RUSS.

These are not my conclusions. This is a historical fact; whether you like it or not, this is your problem. Gorbachev was the leader of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and there’s no way to get away from it ...... like many other communists who merged the USSR

[vladimirZ]

Gorbachev was the leader of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and there is no escape from this ..... -

Former leader of the communist movement of the Soviet Union, crossed out by his betrayal, forever pasted him the name of Judah and the traitor. Now his name in history is Judas and the traitor, forever as Herostratus, who burned the Temple of Artemis.
In fact, Gorbachev was never a communist in spirit, which he repeatedly admitted in his speeches - and this is also a historical fact.

[Talgat]

I will support you vladimirZ!

[Ingvar 72]

TSARISM: NOT A POWERFUL SCIENCE, NO NEED PERSONNEL

The author would like to advise to study the subject before such statements, and not to insert quotes from dissatisfied professors. In England, Germany and France, professors were also dissatisfied. And they wrote letters of complaint.
But that's not the point. It is enough to rummage through the Internet to see a huge number of inventions made in tsarist Russia.

[Uncle Murzik]

Inventions were but where were they introduced? . Remember, on which aircraft did Utochkin and Nesterov shine? Newpor, Farman, Bristol Bulldog, Sopvich, Fokker. England, France, Belgium .., but not Russia. For the years 1914-1917. only 94 "Ilya Muromets" were assembled, and then the engines and devices were imported.
What about cars? Ford, Mercedes-Benz, Fiat, Renault, Peugeot. And where are the Russian companies that manufacture cars completely (from raw materials to the finished product), they are not.
German and Swedish turbines, English gyrocompasses and rangefinders were mounted on Russian destroyers, cruisers and battleships.
I’m analyzing Russia's lags in such detail in order not to savor them. No. I am no less proud of D.I. Mendeleev, K.E. Tsiolkovsky, many other talented scientists and engineers. I remember that the first diesels and motor ships were created in Kolomna, I remember that the destroyers of the Novik type and Russian steam locomotives were considered the reference, I remember that Russia is the birthplace of the radio, but, unfortunately, these were only rays of light in a general joyless the picture.
Recall that Mendeleev and Sechenov (the pride of Russia !!!) were balloted at the Academy of Sciences (if only they were Germans ...), the inventor of radio communications Popov remained a modest teacher at the naval school.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

It is enough to rummage through the Internet to see a huge number of inventions made in tsarist Russia

"TSB": "For the further development of science in the country, it was of great importance that over the past decade before Great October Socialist Revolution the level of science was very high. "

[Uncle Murzik]

my friend Olgovich is it called facts?

[raid14]

The author of the article is absolutely right, without the development of domestic education and science, the country will always be among the developing ones.
When universities, instead of engineers, produce lawyers and economists in batches, we turn into a country of "solicitors" and "hucksters."

[Olgovich]

What are the endless authorial “WOULDS” worth: “I couldn’t, I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t create”? Does he have a portal to parallel reality?
They are worth nothing!

And the facts are as follows: Russia until October was the 5th, somewhere and the 4th economy of the world. And the 4th, 5th economies of the world in real history acquired nuclear weapons.

The fact is that the whole scientific color of the atomic project was learned tsarist professors and tsarist universities (as you do not rename them) in the 20s and 30s, there were other universities of the IMTU, Moscow State University and Peter the Great St. Petersburg Polytechnic University and there were no professors, they were all from there.

The fact is that Russian npuka was one of the foremost in the world.

The strength and potential of the productive forces are evidenced by the construction of the Trans-Siberian Railway, built by Russian engineers and builders from Russian materials and using Russian unique technologies and projects. By the significance of the perfect, the West called the Trans-Siberian second in the world in importance event after the discovery of America.

Therefore, both atom and Gagarin are the logical development of Russia in the case of pre-October Russia. Only in her the Queen would not have broken her jaw during interrogation, because of which he could not be saved during the operation

PS The author’s original references to the white-tape liberal slime (newspaper) of those times that hated Russia both then and today are original.

[Uncle Murzik]

: Olgovich didn’t see ONE FACT from you except verbiage! You change your shoes quickly, then when you were under the nickname ALEXANDER wrote about the “bloody” Bolsheviks who destroyed all of Russian science and the intelligentsia, now Gagarin’s natural development of Russia! only you forget that in Tsarist Russia there would be no Korolevs, Zhukovs, Rokossovskys, the nicholas' emperor needed henchmen like Rasputins, Kuropatkins, Stesseli! you still write as an alternative historian that the tsar-priest launched a rocket!

[parusnik]

And the facts are as follows: Russia until October was the 5th, somewhere and 4th world economy.

... So then the 5th and somewhere 4th economy of the world .. until October, I still didn’t get my own electronic industry, engine building, let’s remind you .. two Maybach engines were delivered to the Tsar Tank from a German downed airship, Ilya Muromets and other Russian planes flew French engines, made powerful artillery pieces, and could not make bearings for turning towers .. The same Fedorov made his machine gun exclusively on personal enthusiasm .. The first flight on the device is heavier air could have been made in Russia, long before the Wright brothers .. But didn’t they give money to Mozhaisky, specialists from different industries .. by the way, there were foreign-made steam engines on Mozhaisky’s plane ... There weren’t such ones ... What Before the October Revolution, such an industry as machine tool industry was developed .. Tell me at least about one factory that was fully equipped with Russian-made equipment .. There’s a lot of scream, the Bolsheviks sold cultural values ​​.. having sold Ali ... and they bought factories, factories, technologies in the good West .. Because the good and democratic West, for flax and hemp, didn’t want to sell the wheat .. But they didn’t have their own, they didn’t create ...

[V.ic]

(C) in 1913, Russian universities graduated from 2624 lawyers, 236 clergymen and a total of 65 communication engineers, 208 - communication engineers, 166 mining engineers, a hundred builders (together with architects). And even factory engineers released just over 2000.

Qualitative indicators of Russian universities are vigorously approaching the indicators of 1913. The number of stamped lawyers exceeds the number of engineers. Probably because the oligarchs do not need a powerful industrial Russia.

(C) today the systemic situation of 1917 is repeating itself in a number of significant moments. The only difference is that by 1917 tsarist Russia was poorly industrialized and did not have science-intensive industries, and by 2017 Russia was largely de-industrialized,

In a comparable time frame, the people led by I.V. Stalin led the USSR to the second place in the world in industrial development, then in the post-Soviet period, “bought marketers” built their existence on parasites and successfully moved the industry of Russia to 4,5,6th places .

[Dart2027]

Quote: V.ic

Qualitative indicators of Russian universities are vigorously approaching the indicators of 1913. The number of stamped lawyers exceeds the number of engineers

State higher educational institutions in 1913/1914
Universities −10 (35 695 students)
Legal - 4 (1036 students)
Oriental Studies - 3 (270 students)
Medical - 2 (2592 Students)
Pedagogical - 4 (894 Students)
Military and Naval - 8 (1182 Students)
Theological - 6 (1085 students)
Engineering - 15 (23329 students)
Agricultural - 6 (3307 students)
Veterinary - 4 (1729 students)
Artistic - 1 (260 Students)
Ivanov A. E. (Higher school of Russia at the end of the XNUMXth - beginning of the XNUMXth centuries)
http://istmat.info/node/239
Here it is not necessary, huh? In order to carry out industrialization and open hundreds of new universities, you need to have the number of people who already have education, otherwise nothing will work.

The Russian professor is under special police supervision. Each of his steps and every word he said inadvertently can and did cause ... the termination of professorship, the embarrassment, and sometimes the long-term weakening of his scientific work ...

I wonder what word does the professor mean? Scientific theories or calls for the overthrow of existing power? So for the last and in the USSR “good” were inserted, and, by the way, absolutely right.

[Uncle Murzik]

Dart2027 Well, many "historians" have learned to wishful thinking! On the eve of the war, there really were more than 100 universities, but of these, the state recognized diplomas only in 65. In addition, of these institutions, 8 were military and 9 theological. All the rest were private courses of varying degrees of duration and seriousness (and with a different level of academic requirements), which they decided to call themselves "higher", which did not grant graduates any rights. Comparison with other countries in terms of the number of universities is incorrect - Russian universities were of different sizes, among them there were large ones (Moscow University with 9.8 thousand students) and dwarf ones (Eastern Institute with 85 students, Military Law Academy with 70 students), while as in many other countries, universities as usual could only be large. If we qualify universities as non-military, non-theological, recognized by the state and having at least 400 students (100 people per course), then there were only 1913 such educational institutions in Russia by 36, and 68 thousand people studied in them. Of the 1000 men in the student age group, 12.5 were students, that is, civilian higher education was available for every eighty. For comparison, there were exactly the same number of students in Germany, but the German population alone was 65 million, and the Russian population was 167 million. Thus, Russia's higher education was at a disgraceful level, but lower than the leading (in this area) industrial countries. "60 facts about the last Russian Tsar Nicholas II ..."
igor-erokhov.livejournal.com ›4762.html

[Dart2027]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

On the eve of the war, there really were more than 100 universities, but of these, the state recognized diplomas only in 65. In addition, of these institutions, 8 were military and 9 theological.

If you have not noticed, then pay attention that in the given data:
universities 10 + humanitarian (total) 14 + medical 2 + pedagogical 4 + military and naval 8 + engineering-industrial 15 + agricultural 6 + veterinary 4 = 63 universities.
That is, even two less than yours.

Quote: Uncle Murzik

there were only 1913 such educational institutions in Russia by 36, and 68 thousand people studied there

Now, compare with the number of students in other countries

At the turn of the 40th and 1903th centuries, a little more than 40,8 thousand students studied in the Russian Empire. In Germany, then leading in Europe, in 12,2, 3,9 thousand people studied at universities, 1906 thousand in higher technical educational institutions, and 35,7 thousand in special academies. In 5, 6 thousand students studied at all the “faculties” of France, another 1900-1901 thousand studied at special educational institutions of other departments and Catholic institutes. About 20 thousand people studied at universities in Great Britain in XNUMX-XNUMX

Quote: Uncle Murzik

but here only the population of Germany was 65 million, and the population of Russia - 167 million

Tell me, did all kinds of inhabitants of the colonies enter into these 65 million? When comparing the Republic of Ingushetia with the countries of Europe, they usually consider its population as a whole, from Russians to some Chukchi, but in Europe they consider only Europeans, and about the inhabitants of the colonies, of which the "advanced" countries drained all the juices, often with blood, prefer to forget.

[Uncle Murzik]

Yes, I didn’t read the funnier argument, but what did the British of the Indians consider British citizens! And who didn’t allow Russia to pursue the correct policy and seize the colonies! and who in Russia generally counted the Chukchi? if tsarist Russia did not take into account the mortality of children under one year of age! well, take a calculator and divide 168 million by 68 thousand in Russia! and take 65 million and divide by 56 thousand in Germany! mastered!

[Dart2027]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

Yes, I didn’t read the funnier argument, but what did the British consider Indians as British citizens

Most of these simple, hardworking, honest people deserve much more respect than many of those present, who, incidentally, live off these people!
A. Belyaev "Ariel"

Keyword at the expense. Or is it news for you that the colonial empires of Europe lived off robbery? Present-day England is far from being the mistress of the seas.
The Republic of Ingushetia annexed territories, but did not plunder subordinate peoples, as civilized Europeans did, it’s another matter that they did not lisp with them as in the USSR and developed primarily Russia and the European part.

Quote: Dart2027

In order to carry out industrialization and open hundreds of new universities, you need to have the number of people who already have education, otherwise nothing will work.

Yes, there was no 100% literacy in the Republic of Ingushetia, although the real number of illiterates is also a question, but without a backlog of inheritance in the 30s it would be quite fun.

[cap]

Why go into the past. There is today and tomorrow. Much more interesting.
http://www.newsler.ru/politics/2017/01/31/medvede
v-uznal-size-zarplatyi-u-kirovskix-rabochix

[parusnik]

In general, the author is right, there are rough edges .. but nonetheless ..

[Evgenijus]

These rough edges are the millions of victims of the Bolsheviks. Yes, it is inconvenient to talk about these roughness ...
What the language does not turn to tell the whole truth about the criminals?

[Uncle Murzik]

Evgenijus oh well write billions, paper will endure everything! Bolsheviks "criminals" from backward Russia have made a superpower!

[parusnik]

Evgenijus

I'm about the article, what are you talking about?

[Evgenijus]

I'm also about the article - it is under the program of the meeting of the 100 anniversary of the October Revolution. I noticed that this year the number of “historical” materials praising this revolution has increased dramatically. Most likely the traces lead to one of the ruling parties in Russia (KPRF).
I do not think that Comrade. Zyuganov is sitting with folded hands, looking at the calendar with the upcoming "significant" event. I do not urge to abandon the celebration of this event, let today's neo-communists celebrate it. But why distort the story? Stuck into this revolution successes in the creation of the atomic bomb ... In general, beyond the limits.
I myself am a missile strategist, my idol is SP Korolev and other prominent people of Russia. And your "fathers" of the Bolshevik party were killing them in prisons ...
That's the whole story. Victories of Russian weapons in today's Syria as the Communists attributed? I give you a thought, "sensible"; Zyuganov will give me a letter for this, with a portrait of Ilyich ...

[parusnik]

You will not be one of the propagandists for an hour? .. Under the Soviet regime, they said one thing and the other .. Although no, they will be more sophisticated ... You are one of the current ones who have been touched by modern education .. This gives you a style .. Sorry ..I don’t see the point of communicating .. Although you write the answer .. Accusing of all sins ..

[Evgenijus]

Under the Soviet regime, for many years I was sitting in concrete bunkers near the launch panels of a megaton warhead. Political studies were also, here's an example, described from memory:
http://www.proza.ru/2013/03/24/1298
What did you do under Soviet rule?

[RUSS]

Quote: Evgenijus

I'm also about the article - it is under the program of the meeting of the 100 anniversary of the October Revolution. I noticed that this year the number of “historical” materials praising this revolution has increased dramatically. Most likely the traces lead to one of the ruling parties in Russia (KPRF).

Traces are from everywhere, now the Kremlin is interested in smoothing corners and reconciling the “red” and “white”. Well, such publications are often found on supposedly patriotic media as an example of TV Star and before VO.

[Evgenijus]

I agree. But we must reconcile, without this we can again fly into conflict. About patriotism - it is for everyone. Alone, gnawing state power, beat themselves in the chest - Patriot! And themselves stealing quietly from the state. organizations part of the budget money. Others consider it a patriotism to be nailing their eggs to the pavement and so on. And the real patriot stands at the machine, at the teacher's desk or in the cold tundra at the well with oil and gas. In Syria, the military and health workers are true patriots. The list of patriots is large, you can’t list them all. But in the squares of Moscow with different posters in their hands, I don’t know, is this the patriots or who?

[Evgenijus]

A purely propaganda article, an attempt to wash the blood of many millions of Russians from the criminal revolution of 1917.
The article is a complete lie about the backwardness of Russia in technical progress. Article material is written for vocational schools 30-ies. The author forgets that archives with many facts of the power of Russia of those times are revealed. But this power was undermined by the bloody revolution of the Bolsheviks, throwing Russia for decades from its progress. Yes, the devastation had to be overcome by the titanic work of all the people of Russia, and the author represents the merit of the Bolsheviks. And who created this devastation? So, let's set our house on fire, burn half and then put out the fire? And after the fire - awards ...
Author - go to the library, but not to study the Charter and Program of your criminal Bolshevik party.
The Bolsheviks have always been distinguished by savage propaganda, real Jesuits.

[Uncle Murzik]

Evgenijus What revolution did you mean in February? and what is power? in a lost Russo-Japanese war?

[V.ic]

Quote: Evgenijus

Article material was written for vocational schools of the 30s.

... genijus-Evgenijus, are you not ashamed to not know the history of the country in which you still live, before emigrating to the "country 404"! FZU were from 1920 to 1940. Since 1954 they became vocational schools.

Quote: Evgenijus

archives with many facts of the power of Russia of those times are disclosed.

What "times" are you talking about? If the country could not provide itself with pencils and iron feathers, then what is this power? A raw materials appendage to the Faber pencil empire, which produced products based on Siberian graphite! Read a publication that is close in spirit to you, you must trust the "blood brothers":
"In 1911, about 2 rubles were imported into Russia from pencils and pens from abroad." http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/000

[Evgenijus]

I do not need to slip this reading, hostile to the Russian propaganda sites from Soros.
The Russian-Japanese war was lost not because of the technical backwardness of Russia, but because of the inability to conduct wars by the then Russian army, because of the unpreparedness of the generals corps that curled around the court of the king. But this does not mean the legitimacy of the Maidan that occurred in Russia in 1917 year. It is also possible in Ukraine to glorify the current Maidan, how does it differ from that in Russia, gone down in history? Everywhere its organizers are criminals. The first offender is Lenin and his gang of bombers.
Found something to argue my answer - with pencils ...

[Sartorius]

Found something to argue my answer - with pencils ...

V.ic rights A lot of things were imported up to the pencils. Even worse, the military-industrial complex of the Russian Empire was not able to provide troops with practically nothing.

[Uncle Murzik]

Evgenijus you wrote "The Russo-Japanese War was lost not because of the technical backwardness of Russia, but because of the inability to wage war by the then Russian army, because of the unpreparedness of the general corps that curled around the king’s court," you yourself all know exactly what then power? the February Revolution, that is, the Maidan did not commit Lenin! "Maidan" was the February revolution in RUSSIA I repeat once again the bourgeoisie, in alliance with part of the generals, was preparing a palace coup to replace Nicholas II on the throne with his brother Mikhail. This conspiracy was secured by the Entente. At the end of 1916 and in January 1917, the British ambassador Buchanan persistently tried to persuade the tsar to give in to the demands of the "progressive bloc" that made up the majority of the State Duma, that is, to capitulate to the bourgeoisie. Entente diplomacy hoped to create a government more capable of "organizing a victory" and preventing the possibility of a separate peace. In addition, she hoped that a coup from above would help prevent the growing popular revolution in Russia. These hopes were not destined to come true. On March 12 (February 27), 1917, a bourgeois-democratic revolution took place in Russia. Tsarism has fallen.
In the fall of 1917, an agreement was reached between England, the USA and France on the delimitation of their activities in the matter of "helping" Russia. The United States took over the reorganization of Russian railways, England - maritime transport, France - the army. Soon, the agreement was modified: assistance to the Murmansk road diverted to England, and the western and southwestern roads to France. This conspiracy of the Entente imperialists implied not only widespread interference in the internal affairs of Russia, but also the beginning of its division into spheres of influence. Russia was in danger that dependence on the Entente would lead it to a state of an almost colonial country.
The Russian people did not allow such a fate to befall their homeland. "

[Evgenijus]

In this comment you have spoken normally, even agree with you in something. But then the article was about the industrial power, and not about the readiness of the army. The Russian army was inflated, for this reason, and armed accordingly. I myself always wondered - why did Tsar Nicholas II drag Russia into this war? The tsar's second mistake was the resolution in Russia of all sorts of pro-Western movements (democrats, starting with the Decembrists, and so on), as well as weak control over bombers - revolutionaries.
But I still defend the idea that as a result of the revolution criminals came to power.
I did not hear that Lenin and his party tried to peacefully, publicly, enter the authorities of Russia by changing the policy of the tsar. There were no such attempts. Hence the trail leads to the crime of this revolution and its leaders. It was more convenient to throw bombs at government officials. Type - a practical lesson for today's LIH -ovtsev.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Evgenijus

I myself have always wondered - why did Tsar Nicholas II drag Russia into this war?

Then Stalin "pulled" the USSR into WWII : but in fact on our country in 1914 the same aggressor attacked as in 1941

Quote: Evgenijus

I did not hear that Lenin and his party tried peacefully, openly, to enter the Russian authorities by changing the tsar’s policy. There were no such attempts.

They tried, but the people broke them off, rolling in the elections to the Duma and the CSS. And they resorted to force and monstrous lies.

[34 region]

18.22. And when did the RSDLP (b) drop bombs? And the royal thrones in what way were captured? Catherine the second legally came to power?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

the February revolution, that is, the Maidan was not committed by Lenin! "Maidan" was the February revolution in RUSSIA I repeat once again the bourgeoisie, in alliance with part of the generals, was preparing a palace coup,

When will you teach your leaders?
“Comrade Stalin - initiator and main creator of the Short History of the CPSU (B.) - the classic work of Marxism-Leninism ”(academician O. Yu. Schmidt) Published in 1938.
Short course:
"Bourgeoisie thought to resolve the crisis through a palace coup.
But the people resolved it in their own way.
On February 18, 1917, a strike of Putilov workers in
Petrograd. On February 22, workers on most of the largest enterprises went on strike.
On International Worker's Day, February 23 (March 8) on call
Petrograd Committee of the Bolsheviks pAbotnitsa went out to demonstrate
against hunger, war, tsarism. Demonstration of workers supported by workers
general strike action in Petrograd. The political strike began
grow into a general political demonstration against the imperial system.
У
The February bourgeois-democratic revolution triumphed.
"The revolution was carried out by the proletariat, he showed heroism he spilled
blood, he carried with him the widest masses of the working and the poorest
population ... ", - wrote Lenin in the early days of the revolution (Lenin, vol. XX, p. 23
- 24).
And by the way, they are in many respects right - it is enough to read the chronology of events. It’s not a shame not to know the BASES of owls. stories?! . Teach it!

Quote: Uncle Murzik

In the fall of 1917, an agreement was reached between England, the USA and France on the delimitation of their activities in the matter of "helping" Russia. The United States took over the reorganization of Russian railways, England - maritime transport, France - the army. Soon, the agreement was modified: assistance to the Murmansk road diverted to England, and the western and southwestern roads to France. This conspiracy of the Entente imperialists implied not only widespread interference in the internal affairs of Russia, but also the beginning of its division into spheres of influence.

What date was this treaty, its text, especially the place “on the transformation of Russia into a colony” you can present? Or is it only FOREIGN articles cluelessly able to copy-paste?
Yes, by the way, you can present at the same time and repeatedly quoted by you "Report to the Tsar on the millions of deceased Orthodox souls"

[Uncle Murzik]

Olgovich, if you please, "on August 8 at a conference convened in London to discuss the issue of" restoring the military power of Russia ", an agreement was reached between England, the United States and France on the delimitation of spheres of influence in Russia, which very much resembled a plan for its dismemberment.

The conference decided: England will undertake the "reorganization" of Russian maritime transport, France - the army, the United States - Russian railway communications.
The Anglo-French imperialists soon realized that the establishment of American control over the railways of Russia would make the "control" of England and France over the Russian army and navy pointless. And the agreement was redone: "help" to the Murmansk road became the prerogative of England, the western and southwestern roads - France.
In general, the London conspiracy implied not only widespread Allied intervention in Russia's internal affairs, but also the beginning of its division into spheres of influence.

Japan also wanted to take part in the sharing, to obtain concessions from the EaP. In July-August, the VP took a number of steps toward rapprochement with Japan and received large loans from it.
In an effort to prevent Russian-Japanese rapprochement, the United States began to intensely circulate in the press rumors about the preparation of Japanese aggression against Russia. Explaining their excitement with "friendly sympathy for Russia," fueling distrust and hostility towards Japan, the Americans did not spare zeal, advising Russia to seek friends overseas.

In the summer of 1917, the Japanese imperialists, given the balance of power favorable to them, decided to force American diplomacy to come to terms with the fact of Japan's strengthening of its positions in the Far East. A special mission led by Ishii was sent from Tokyo to the United States. During the negotiations, the United States made concessions to Japan over China - recognized the "special interests" of Japan throughout China. And at the same time, the USA got Japan to support American politics in Russia.
In particular, on September 6, Lansing, in conversation with Ishii, secured Japan’s commitment to provide its own transport fleet for transporting "railroad materials and military equipment" from the US to Russia.

Instead of earning high profits from their supplies to Russia, the Japanese imperialists should have been content with freight. G.K.Seleznev. "The shadow of the dollar over Russia." 7: lopuhsurepkin
lopuhsurepkin.livejournal.com ›17882.html

[Olgovich]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

Olgovich, if you please, "on August 8 at a conference convened in London to discuss the issue of" restoring the military power of Russia ", an agreement was reached between England, the United States and France on the delimitation of spheres of influence in Russia, which very much resembled a plan for its dismemberment.

WHAT do you want? Read your nonsense and Burdock Surepkina about the autumn conference, then about the August conference, which is not mentioned anywhere, i.e. was not (see Chronos)? WHERE is the text WHO participated, eh? Will you rave again?

No, thank you. You themselves live in your fictional reality ...

[Uncle Murzik]

Telegram from Minister of Foreign Affairs M. I. Tereshchenko to diplomatic representatives in Washington and Paris V. A. Bakhmetyev and M. M. Sevastopulo with a notice of an agreement between the allies of Russia on delimiting the areas of activity to provide the Provisional Government with material assistance to continue the war.

17 September 1917 of

Based on conversations with the local allied ambassadors, especially with the most outspoken of them, the American ambassador, I come to the conclusion that, apparently, an agreement was reached between our allies at one of the last conferences in Paris or London [1] regarding the demarcation between them all areas in which they should provide us with material assistance in the future to continue the war. For example, the Americans took on the task of equipping us with rail transport. This question is of enormous interest for us, since it is precisely the technical and material issues that under our circumstances take on a formidable character in the sense of the possibility of actually bringing the war to the end. In view of this, I would be ready to meet the allies, taking the initiative in offering them more active participation in organizing our industry and transport than until now, if on the other hand there was indeed a willingness to do so. I ask you to carefully grope in this direction and inform your conclusion.

Tereshchenko.

[Olgovich]

ACCORDING TO VIDM "see?. Assumptions, hope for help and support. EVERYTHING! WHERE is the division of the spheres of INFLUENCE, transformation into colonies, etc. ?.
Nonsense....

[Uncle Murzik]

my friend Olgovich, a little higher in the post, you so persistently proved that there was no conference at all, and now, as always, you changed your shoes in the air!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

my friend Olgovich, a little higher in the post, you so persistently proved that there was no conference at all, and now, as always, you changed your shoes in the air!

Once again, the telegram says Apparently, i.e. assumptions. And since the conference is nowhere to be found, it means that it was not there.
Now it’s clear, batek?

[Uncle Murzik]

my friend Olgovich read carefully Bakhmetiev learned, and from the telegram Tereshchenko it follows that the conference was: In August 1917, England, the United States and France concluded an agreement on the division of spheres of influence in Russia. For two months, the London treaty was a secret even for the EaP. In October 1917, Foreign Minister Tereshchenko told Ambassador Bakhmetyev in Washington that "an agreement on Russia appears to have taken place at a recent conference in Paris or London," and asked for any information about this agreement of "great interest." .

Soon Bakhmetyev managed to find out that on August 8 at a conference in London convened to discuss the issue of "restoring the military power of Russia", an agreement was reached between England, the USA and France on the division of spheres of influence in Russia, which very much resembled a plan for its dismemberment.

The conference decided: England will undertake the "reorganization" of Russian maritime transport, France - the army, the United States - Russian railway communications.
The Anglo-French imperialists soon realized that the establishment of American control over the railways of Russia would make the "control" of England and France over the Russian army and navy pointless. And the agreement was redone: "help" to the Murmansk road became the prerogative of England, the western and southwestern roads - France.
In general, the London conspiracy implied not only widespread Allied intervention in Russia's internal affairs, but also the beginning of its division into spheres of influence.

Japan also wanted to take part in the sharing, to obtain concessions from the EaP. In July-August, the VP took a number of steps toward rapprochement with Japan and received large loans from it.
In an effort to prevent Russian-Japanese rapprochement, the United States began to intensely circulate in the press rumors about the preparation of Japanese aggression against Russia. Explaining their excitement with "friendly sympathy for Russia," fueling distrust and hostility towards Japan, the Americans did not spare zeal, advising Russia to seek friends overseas.

In the summer of 1917, the Japanese imperialists, given the balance of power favorable to them, decided to force American diplomacy to come to terms with the fact of Japan's strengthening of its positions in the Far East. A special mission led by Ishii was sent from Tokyo to the United States. During the negotiations, the United States made concessions to Japan over China - recognized the "special interests" of Japan throughout China. And at the same time, the USA got Japan to support American politics in Russia.
In particular, on September 6, Lansing, in conversation with Ishii, secured Japan’s commitment to provide its own transport fleet for transporting "railroad materials and military equipment" from the US to Russia.

Instead of earning high profits from their supplies to Russia, the Japanese imperialists should have been content with freight.

[Olgovich]

A conference not mentioned anywhere does not exist. TEXT of the Agreement, give , not your fiction.

By the way, comrade Stalin-Leniya studied "about the" palace coup "?

[Uncle Murzik]

Tereshchenko writes in a telegram: “Based on conversations with the local allied ambassadors, especially with the most outspoken of them, the American ambassador, I come to the conclusion that, apparently, an agreement was reached between our allies at one of the last conferences in Paris or London [1] "it even follows from this that the conference was and Russia was not even invited!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

apparently

The text of the "secret agreement" with a link give. No? -bye.

[Uncle Murzik]

old man Olga did you agree that the conference was! it’s silly to hope that the Entente countries will show these agreements! The need for joint planning of a decisive victory over the German armed forces forced the Allies to hold a series of meetings in early 1917 on the planning of the 1917 military campaign on the western front. Therefore, only military representatives of Great Britain, France and Italy participated in them. Russia was not invited to the Allied meetings, which worried representatives of the new government in Petrograd. In April 1917, P. N. Milyukov expressed his “utter bewilderment” to the allied ambassadors that the Russian government had not been warned about them. The Minister’s concern was related to the fact that the meeting discussed not only current affairs, but also issues of future territorial acquisitions. Miliukov also expressed concern that without Russia’s participation, negotiations of "the same importance" in Washington between the governments of Great Britain, France and the United States, which would touch upon world politics, would be held.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

old man Olga did you agree that the conference was!

WHERE I agreed

It is foolish to hope that the Entente countries will show these agreements

It is foolish to say anything without the slightest opportunity to present something.

[Uncle Murzik]

report on hunger to the king lies to you! In the pre-revolutionary encyclopedia of Brockhaus and Efron you can read: Article “Hunger in Russia”: “In 1872 the first Samara famine broke out, which struck precisely that province, which until then was considered the richest granary of Russia. And after the famine of 1891, covering a vast area of ​​29 provinces, the lower Volga region constantly suffers from hunger: during the XX century. Samara province went hungry 8 times, Saratov 9. Over the past thirty years, the largest hunger strikes date from 1880 (the Lower Volga region, part of the lakes and Novorossiysk provinces) and by 1885 (New Russia and some non-chernozem provinces from Kaluga to Pskov); then, following the famine of 1891, famine of 1892 occurred in the central and southeastern provinces, hunger strikes of 1897 and 98. approximately in the same area; in the XX century famine of 1901 in 17 provinces of the center, south and east, hunger strike of 1905 (22 provinces, including four non-chernozems, Pskov, Novgorod, Vitebsk, Kostroma), which opens up a number of hunger strikes: 1906, 1907, 1908 and 1911 . (mostly eastern, central provinces, Novorossia). ”

[Uncle Murzik]

The situation with the welfare of peasants is characterized, for example, by the famine of 1891-1892, when, according to Brockhaus:

From the broker article “Population”
In 50 provinces of European Russia in 1892 (after a crop failure of 1891) 3563398 people died (3,92% of the total N.), while over the seven years of 1884–90. only 2820363 people per year died (3,34%). In the fertile 1894 (followed by the fertile 1893), mortality dropped to 3,27%. Mortality in 1894 was less than in 1892, by 15%.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

report on hunger to the king lies to you

WHERE a million times quoted by you "Report to the Tsar on the millions of Orthodox souls who died of starvation ?!, lying comrade? Besides lies nothing to present?

Quote: Uncle Murzik

laughed 8 times, Saratov 9. Over the past thirty years, the largest hunger strikes date back to 1880 (the Lower Volga region, part of the lakes and Novorossiysk provinces) and by 1885 (New Russia and some non-chernozem provinces from Kaluga to Pskov); then, following the famine of 1891, famine came in 1892

But the 17th century, what did not remember?
1891-92 were last years starvation deaths in Russia (there were from 200 to 350 thousand and that most of it was from cholera). Further hunger was sometimes, but there were no starvation deaths, not even Soviet mention of this. and all the more, there has never been cannibalism and food-eating.

But in the 20th century, under "popular" power, there were almost uninterrupted famines with many, many millions of people who died, cannibalism, corpse eating, swelling, and malfunctioning m cards .: 1921-1922, 1924-25, 1928, 1931,1932, 1933, 1936- 37, 39-41, 46-47: nowhere and never in the world in the 20th century did this happen!
Apotheosis- cannibal island Nazino on the Ob.

[Uncle Murzik]

my friend Olgovich already and the encyclopedia lies to you!

[Olgovich]

DO NOT yulit and submit YOUR "report to the king" Can not? Then you will be a man who cannot - present evidence. Goodbye.

Famines in Russia at the beginning of the 20th century, no doubt, were. There were no deaths from starvation, corpse eating and cannibalism (as in the case of the Bolsheviks), as there was nowhere else in Europe.
About 3 to 7 million people died of starvation in the country in 1932-33, and in the most popular newspapers of the USSR only the achievements of the five-year period and NO WORD about this crime of power. Even abroad they did not give help.

[34 region]

20.01/XNUMX. Olgovich! Is it the workers who overthrew the king? Right at the demonstration?

[Olgovich]

Quote: 34 region

20.01/XNUMX. Olgovich! Is it the workers who overthrew the king? Right at the demonstration?

Comrade I understand that you trust Stalin From the Kratsk course::

The February bourgeois-democratic revolution triumphed.
The revolution won because the working class was a skirmisher
revolution and led the movement of millions of peasants dressed in
soldiers' overcoats - "for peace, 169 for bread, for freedom." Hegemony
the proletariat determined the success of the revolution.

[V.ic]

Quote: Evgenijus

Found something to argue my answer - with pencils ...

... once again "pierced" ... Well, what do you take from the "Pepsi generation" ?! Evgenijus, pencils and pens in that era of the lack of iPad, iPhone, Internet were (with the exception of typewriting) a means of applying information to paper. If there is no information, then there is no progress!

[34 region]

13.50. Here the question is not in the pencils themselves, but in technological backwardness. If RI was such an economically developed power, why then could not produce its pencils?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Region 34

If RI was such an economically developed power, why then could not produce its pencils?

They couldn’t produce pencils. But cars could, wow, this backward Russia

[34 region]

11.27 Romanov! She produced them just like today. By screwdriver technology. Ours was just assembling a bunch of all the details. If we produced our cars, then where did they import them?

[RUSS]

Quote: Region 34

If we produced our cars, then where did they import them?

Is import an indicator?

[Sartorius]

Is import an indicator?

Why not? What then was collected from the imported components of the machine what is outstanding? And this is with our resources. Now if, for example, the military-industrial complex is developing, there are those who want to buy.

[Sartorius]

Evgenijus, forgot to add something like Lensky execution organized by Lenin. Well, the humane imperial regime cannot shoot several hundred unarmed workers without trial and investigation.

[Evgenijus]

You read the story of Lensky execution. In addition, the history of the Katyn massacre. Lensky execution is clearly painted to the smallest detail, but Katynsky, where 15 000 killed the Poles by convictions of triplets, for some reason today's Prosecutor's Office has classified them. And why? There is a suspicion that in the investigation documents there are many names of grandfathers whose grandchildren (and maybe children) are now in power ...

[faiver]

another one with a bullet in his head ...

[Evgenijus]

Hehe ...
So answer to the one with a bullet in your head - why are the investigation materials on the Katyn shooting now classified?
Look at the answer, who has the bullet and where is she ...

[faiver]

at least one real proof that the NKVD was involved in the execution?

[Evgenijus]

You can answer the simple question? I repeat the question - why are the investigative materials on the Katyn shooting executed? The third time I will not ask a question ..

[Uncle Murzik]

"Sewn with white thread ...". The European Court refused ...
kprf.ru ›History and we› Connection of times ›124942.html
The European Court rejected the lawsuit against Polish citizens in the Katyn case. ... Thus, the Katyn execution remained among the proven crimes of the Nazi masters of the Third Reich.

[Evgenijus]

Well, yes ... the European Court! Words are what! The ECHR is one of the enemies of Russia. There’s nothing to talk about next. And about the secrecy of the investigation materials, all the local communists were silent, remarkably this ...
Recall how the communist Yeltsin destroyed the Ipatiev House in Yekaterinburg. For what? He noticed the traces of the crime of the great leaders of that bloody October Revolution. The handwriting of the communists is the same everywhere - blood and sweeping traces of their crimes. This article is also on the topic of concealing a crime - a coup in Russia 1917, hiding behind the role of October in creating a nuclear shield in Russia. What is schizophrenia ...
I would advise the author of the article to remove it from the VO website.
Uncle Murzik, better tell me, why did my idol - the designer of the rocket Sergey Pavlovich Korolev - the Bolsheviks imprisoned?
Why did my Bolsheviks shoot the grandfather of my wife the priest of the village church?
Weakly answer this even to your Zyuganov, for this is an autopsy on the crimes of the Communists. It is not profitable, therefore, they write different nonsense about the connection between October and the creation of the atomic bomb.

[Uncle Murzik]

Evgenijus about S.P. Korolev not when he himself did not talk about broken jaws! According to some reports, he was tortured - both jaws were broken. The author of this version is the journalist Y. Golovanov. However, in his book [6], he emphasizes that this is only a version! This is only a version, that is, liberal nonsense! Now in fact since P Korolev Twice Hero of Socialist Labor (20.04.1956/17.06.1961/XNUMX; XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX).
He was awarded three orders of Lenin, the Order of the Badge of Honor and medals.
Laureate of the Lenin Prize.
Academician of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR.
Honorary citizen of the cities of Korolev, Kaluga and Baikonur [22].
Addresses in Moscow [edit | edit wiki text]

[Evgenijus]

I don’t know about torture in prison, I hear it for the first time. Golovanova also do not know, did not read his "work". And the fact that Korolev was in prison was a fact.
Biography Queen know well. He was a good man, in some matters even stubborn. I did not quite believe in new missiles for military needs, but his contribution as a designer of space rockets is invaluable.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

S.P. The Queen wasn’t when he himself didn’t talk about broken jaws!

And where could he SUCH tell, Huh? WHO would give him?
His DAUGHTER stated this.

[Uncle Murzik]

dear Evgenijus, my wife whites shot innocent grandfather and uncle without trial, there were severe times!

[Uncle Murzik]

Evgenijus is no longer a decree for you and the ECHR! Have your wife’s grandfather been shot? and then you have a wife!

[Evgenijus]

Uncle Murzik, ECHR, I do not decree, a nasty organization, for the bulk and other enemies of Russia.
Grandfather's wife was shot, I have almost all copies of sheets of the NKVD case under jurisdiction. Scary to read. And I have a wife, a good man

[Uncle Murzik]

Olgovich whom I told Golovanov to a journalist! Even on Wikipedia it is written that this is a version and remains on his conscience!

[albert]

Quote: Evgenijus

I repeat the question - why are the materials of the investigation on the Katyn execution classified? The third time I will not ask a question, ..

Because this is the work of the Nazis, and our government needs to defraud the Communists. Will this option suit you? For me, this is very plausible.

[Evgenijus]

albert, I did not quite understand. What is the secret about these materials? Time is how much time has passed ... and all is secret. I do not understand ...

[34 region]

16.27. Why are classified? In my opinion there were already materials on the internet. Wines of the Nazis mowing under the NKVD. Everything is investigated and proven. Although our government does not recognize this.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Evgenijus

Why are materials of the investigation on the Katyn execution now classified?

Check it out.

[Evgenijus]

What is there to meet? Some words ...
Where are the investigation documents? Why not made public? Why eliminated the personal files of the murdered Poles? Where are the reports of the shootings? Where are the firing squad lists? Where are the lists of awards for these "feats"? Everything is hidden ... Many questions, and the slogans from the speeches of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are already full, starting with the speeches of the leaders from the armored car under the rays of the Aurora searchlight. Who is responsible for the execution of my wife's grandfather? Zyuganov ?, Viktor Ilyukhin? Weak to them? ...
Weakly, the intestine is thin ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Evgenijus

Where are the investigation documents? Why not made public?

Are you the moons or something? ”After the Kraasn Army of Katyn consecrated, an investigation was conducted.
Everything is in the books, if you are too lazy, googled to meet you.

Quote: Evgenijus

Where are the reports of the executions?

Goebbels should ask you this.

Quote: Evgenijus

Everything is hidden ...

For those who are interested, everything is clear, only for you it is a secret.

Quote: Evgenijus

and the slogans from the speeches of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are already full, starting with the speeches of the leaders from the armored car under the rays of the spotlight of Aurora. Who will be responsible for the shooting of my wife’s grandfather? Zyuganov ?, Victor Ilyukhin? Weak to answer them? ...

It is difficult to answer that nonsense.
And I have already heard about grandfathers who have been shot for 25 years, with periodic exacerbations.
If you listen to all these nonsense, and even count it, it turns out that they shot everyone, but accidentally survived, tortured us in strollers, and then dug up and shot him again, after which they sent us to the Stalinist concentration camp, from which we were sent to the penal battalion, gave them shovels, with whom they killed all the Nazis, took Berlin, and after the war on the Rooks case they shot them again three times, but after that they didn’t plant them again, but waited for Khrushchev and Gorbachev to rehabilitate them

Zy.This, I immediately say that I’m joking, or else you’ll take the script and blackbaster for the innocent victims of abortion, who were shot alive under Comrade Stalin alive by Comrade Lenin in an armored car, without taking a cigarette out of his mouth.

[Alexander Greene]

Only you believe in it. It has long been proven that this is the work of the Nazi occupiers.

[Sartorius]

Here is a dime to such a person in the eyes will say that God's dew. But seriously, then under the kings, the attitude to the common people as an insect irritates to crush. By the way, I do not condone either the king or the innocently repressed. True, there is one nuance, the trials of the 30s, although in a simplified form, were a trial, but they weren’t bothered with the tsar (you need to protect your capitals at all without any trial). Bloody Sunday taught nothing; there, too, those who went to the palace for royal mercy had no weapons. There is supreme justice in the world and everything returns with a boomerang, bullets flying at workers in the mines and other places where they were shot without trial, returned to the bloody underdog in Ipatiev's house (his family is sorry, he is gone). As for Katyn, Eltsin was glad to please anyone to repent of anything, even the death of dinosaurs. There Kachinsky land did not forgive the stream of lies against Russia, and that is not far from rest.

[RUSS]

Quote: Evgenijus

A purely propaganda article, an attempt to wash the blood of many millions of Russians from the criminal revolution of 1917.

Every day more and more "yellow" articles on VO, sad .....

[Dok133]

History does not know the subjunctive mood, ("what would happen if ...") and therefore the "alternative approach to the analysis of the past" is not legitimate, and even more so just scientifically NOT consistent.
We do not know, "what would happen if ..."
"The emancipation of all active popular forces ... ensured the rapid and comprehensive development of science and technology" - very reminiscent of Nazi propaganda of the 30s of the 20th century. Yes, in fascist Germany there was a rise in scientific and technological thought, which was not even close in the post-war period. And so what? "Heil Hitler!" chtoli shout now?
In general, the entire Soviet time of the USSR was catching up in the field of military technology, not to mention the fact that the standard of living in the USSR was much lower than in the most developed countries of the West.

[Uncle Murzik]

Dok133 and whom did they catch up with? Is the country the first to fly into space creating the first hydrogen bomb, the Kalashnikov assault rifle was catching up? You can not read further!

[Alexander Greene]

Dear, what to argue about? Of course, "we are all from childhood," and, of course, in 1917 there were no other besides old-mode professors and scientists. Some of them accepted Soviet power and began to serve the people, others, who did not want to, had to be sent abroad.
Yes, the beginning of the development of Soviet science and education was laid by old-regime professors and scientists, but there were few of them for a country that began to build socialism, which, in order not to be crushed by the capitalist environment, needed to make a breakthrough in science and technology. And the Land of Soviets made such a breakthrough.
In 1931, Stalin said that Western countries have gone the way of industrialization in 100-200 years, we must go this way in 10 years. And the country of advice passed it in 10 years!
Confirmation of this is the Victory in the Great Patriotic War, and subsequent victories in science and technology.

[Old26]

Quote: Dok133

History does not know the subjunctive mood

This is the most important thing that you should not forget about. And “what would happen if” is ordinary verbiage. Was the Russian Empire a strong power? I don’t think so. Most of the equipment was Western-made. A huge agrarian country with an almost illiterate population could not be a priori strong. Not every son of a worker or peasant had the opportunity to study at higher educational institutions.
What did the October Revolution do? The biggest achievement is universal literacy and, as a result, an influx of new forces into industry and science.
Of course, everything cannot be ascribed only to October and subsequent years. Something was done before the Revolution. In particular, the development of the Hungry Steppe did not begin under the Soviet regime. But at the same time, tsarist Russia was not among the advanced industrial countries.
And in principle, all that gigantic scientific and technical breakthrough came in the days of the USSR.
What about the nuclear shield? The time has come to create it - created, at the cost of tremendous effort. But created. It's time to go into space - come out. The first or second is sometimes not so important. It was important that the country had scientific and industrial potential for this

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Old26

The biggest achievement is universal literacy

Is Russian language cutback a secondary question?
And specify - at what point did the terror against the Russian people end, and industrialization began?

[Dok133]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

Dok133 and whom did they catch up with? Is the country the first to fly into space creating the first hydrogen bomb, the Kalashnikov assault rifle was catching up? You can not read further!

Caught up with the United States, for example, they were the first to build an atomic bomb, nuclear submarines, multi-missile nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles, homing missiles on ICBMs. Also, if you read the history of the post-war development of our aviation and air defense, you will see that our designers in most cases did the answer to what NATO already had.

[Uncle Murzik]

Yes, especially caught up in the development of aviation! in North Korea During their participation in the conflict from November 1950 to July 1953, pilots of the 64th Corps made about 64 sorties. Held 000 air battles. The corps was shot down 1872 enemy aircraft. 1250 aircraft chalked up anti-aircraft artillery, 150 fighter groups. Own casualties of the hull amounted to 1100 aircraft. The day on October 335, 30, became the “Black Tuesday” for American strategic aviation, when flying fortresses flying to bombard the Korean airfield at Namsi suffered very heavy losses, and the raid ended in nothing. This defeat marked the complete collapse of the use of strategic aviation in the daytime. After this battle, the United States was forced to reconsider its views on the use of B-1951 bombers in Korea.

[Uncle Murzik]

Faced with the enemy’s powerful air defense systems, based on air defense systems, as well as the appearance of the latest MiG-21s in the sky of Vietnam, the Americans, by the end of the 60s, essentially turned off air raids. Since the loss of the US Air Force has become absolutely catastrophic. In total, during the years of the Vietnam War, the Air Force and the US Navy lost 3374 aircraft. It also destroyed more than 300 aircraft that were in service with the Air Force of South Vietnam.

North Vietnamese aviation lost about 150 MiG aircraft - both Soviet and Chinese. But this figure does not take into account non-combat losses due to accidents for various reasons.

The approximate statistics on the contribution of air defense and fighter aviation to the defeat of the American air armada are as follows:

- fighter aircraft shot down 305 American aircraft (9%);

- SAM - 1046 (31%);

- anti-aircraft artillery - 2024 (60%).

During the war, the Soviet Union delivered to Vietnam 95 S-75 air defense systems of various modifications and 7658 missiles for them.

[Dok133]

Put "I like" your comments, yes, they knew how to fight, the only thing the USSR produced at the world level was weapons

[V.ic]

Quote: Dok133

the only thing that the USSR produced at the world level is weapons

... forgot about vodka!

[Dok133]

Quote: Old26

And "what would happen if" is ordinary verbiage

Yes, it is. But nevertheless, as an experiment, we take the "alternative approach" of the author of the article.
Why did he decide that if there had not been the October Revolution, all other events in history would have happened the same way?
Is it not “more scientific” to suppose that all other events would have flowed differently?
After all, the Communists themselves have always talked about the world-historical significance of the October Revolution. If events stopped on the February Revolution, Russia would not have lost the fruits of victory in the Great War, would not have been isolated, the map of Europe would have been completely different. Would the Great Depression of 1929-33 .?
Could the far-right parties come to power in Italy, Germany and other countries?
Would World War II ever happen? If not, where would the United States be?
Therefore, to argue that if it were not for Comrade Stalin, we would not have been able to prepare for war, we can answer that if there were no Communists, there would be no war.

[Ragoz]

Dok 133.
I hope that you, like most commentators on this article, are liberals who have forgotten at whose expense they grew up and studied for free and at whose expense your children, and maybe grandchildren, as well as children of ordinary peasants and workers, study. You all just don’t remember kinship relations, or even worse.

[Aviator_]

Good article, plus set. Academician Chertok made a series of mistakes in his (or his?) Book, however, when I listened to him 10 years ago at the Korolev readings, he was absolutely adequate to reality, spoke bitterly about the state of industry and did not scatter any praises to foreign bourgeois. So you’ll think about who edited his memoirs like that. By the way, in Sudoplatov’s memoirs there are also very obscure judgments, which stand out from the general text.

[Old26]

Quote: Aviator_

Good article, plus set. Academician Chertok made a series of mistakes in his (or his?) Book, however, when I listened to him 10 years ago at the Korolev readings, he was absolutely adequate to reality, spoke bitterly about the state of industry and did not scatter any praises to foreign bourgeois. So you’ll think about who edited his memoirs like that. By the way, in Sudoplatov’s memoirs there are also very obscure judgments, which stand out from the general text.

The article did not put anything. Although some things from the author IMHO are far-fetched, in particular

“German firms worked on a host of technical problems on their own initiative, without waiting for instructions from“ above, ”they didn’t need Gosplan solutions or the people's commissariats, without which no factory could produce any products.”

You read and wonder! So you can write about your own past only when you do not understand anything in it! Thousands of factories do not produce any products at all today, without any instructions from above, because they have closed or breathing in the air, Chertok did not consider it a crime. But on the Leninist-Stalinist USSR with its Gosplan economy, the style of which the whole world had once assimilated, Chertok had enough black ink.

And what is the author saw the black paint in the books Chertok? What, German firms did not engage in promising research, do not wait for directions from above? Engaged in this was their plus compared to the planned economy of the USSR. By the way, the capitalists still had a planned economy in a certain sense, though without a state plan. And in our country such a planned economy sometimes slowed down some developments. I will give an example. The event was attended by my friend, then a young promising engineer at one of the machine-tool plants. Created a new, improved machine. To start it instead of the old one, it was necessary either to build a new workshop, or to reduce the production of the old machine, which had been produced for 29-25 years. I went with the director to the ministry to ask to solve the problem according to one of the two above options.
The first option - a new workshop - was marked immediately, no money was planned. The second option caused such a storm that the director was directly asked a question, is he a pest? Wants to put on a party card? Doesn’t he know that the PLAN IS A LAW that he is obliged to fulfill? That's all the planning and the state plan. The new machine was poorer because there was a PLAN to produce the old one.

"... The firms" Hartmann and Brown "," Telefunken "," Anschütz "," Siemens "," Lorenz ", AEG," Rode-Schwartz "," Askania "," Karl Zeiss "long before World War II used the world fame.

This created a solid technological base, which we did not have at the beginning of the war in these sectors at the right scale ... "

And why was Chertok wrong? Wasn’t it?

Chertok, reproaching either Stalin or the Stalin era as a whole, declared:
“Our general-purpose electrical appliance industry, the aviation instrumentation industry and, finally, marine instrument-making industry were kept only at several plants in Moscow and Leningrad (Elektropribor, Teplopribor, Svetlana in Leningrad, Aviribor, Lepse, Electrozavod and Manometer "in Moscow).

Where did the author see the reproach? Chertok STATED FACT, that's all

It is significant that when, after the war, we began to reproduce (with bast shoes and snot, we must assume. —S.B.) the V-2 technique and develop our own rockets, we were convinced that such a device was invented by mankind long ago (what an inappropriate irony! -SB .), as an electrical multi-contact relay, only one Leningrad factory "Red Dawn" can do in our country. In Germany, only the Telefunken company had three similar factories and at least two at Siemens ... "

AND? What of this, that Chertok RECEIVESthat we had one plant producing such relays, and the Germans have at least five? And the author knows that with the release of the Soviet version of the FAU-2 it turned out that the Soviet industry did not produce several dozen materials and components necessary for the production of missiles.

[Ragoz]

Olgovich,
No wonder uvaz BABY name

[V.ic]

Quote: Ragoz

Olgovich,
No wonder uvaz BABY name

No, this man "channels" under the aristocrat, such as "monomashich", "IZYaslavich" ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: Ragoz

No wonder uvaz BABY name

This is your BABY reasoning, from lack of knowledge.

[34 region]

Evgenijus,

[34 region]

Evgenijus,

[34 region]

Evgenijus,

[voyaka uh]

From a newspaper. True article?
I will add: "Even VI Lenin wrote about the decisive role of nuclear weapons for the victory of the proletariat ..."

[Evgenijus]

Additionally, to help the author for completeness of the article on the meaning of October 1917 of the year for the common people:

[Kostadinov]

The backlog of pre-revolutionary Russia in advanced technologies from the USA, Germany, Great Britain, France, Austria-Hungary and Italy did not decrease, but increased at the beginning of the 20th century. By 1913, Japan had already overtaken it.
In the best case, if bourgeois Russia has survived as a single and independent state, Russian nuclear weapons could appear after the nuclear test of France (1960) and before the nuclear test of India (1974). No parity in strategic arms with the United States was out of the question.