In the United States created a multipurpose version of the Spike missile system

The Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division (NAWCWD) at the US Department of Defense modified Israeli anti-tank missiles to destroy air targets, reports Warspot with a link to navyrecognition.com.

The moment of defeat drone Outlaw using a Spike missile

Missile tests took place in December last year, but it became known only now.

"At the test site China Lake, located in the Mojave Desert (California), NAWCWD employees shot down two target drones Outlaw, spending on each of them one rocket," - writes a resource.

The modification of the missiles began in 2013. Then the specialists mounted the anti-tank complex on a special launcher equipped with a radar "to assess the ability to see and hit air targets."

In the course of further work, the designers supplied the rocket with a radio-fuse. This allowed on tests to achieve 100-percent damage to airborne objects — even in the event of a miss, the radio-fuse was activated, and the target was destroyed by shrapnel and a blast wave.

“Currently, specialists are completing debugging of electronic systems of the rocket, and in the near future this development can go into mass production. Creating a new version of the ammunition will allow the US Marine Corps to have a single light and powerful rocket capable of hitting armored vehicles, shelters, as well as surface and air targets ", - said project leader Gavin Swenson.

Help resource: "Spike - a family of Israeli missiles, developed in 90-ies by the company" Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. " Spike is a multipurpose multiplatform electro-optical rocket system designed to destroy armored vehicles, protected objects and engineering structures, as well as surface targets and enemy manpower. Rocket launch can be carried out in three main modes: "Shot and forget", "Shot, noticed and corrected" и "Shot and sent"».

Comments

[210ox]

This is a very serious weapon .. Where is "our answer to Chamberlain?"

[St Petrov]

and at what height can it work?

[Alex_Tug]

Most likely 3-4 km. Above work, other ammunition is needed and a larger size. Dimensions determine the height. For the flight of a rocket you need fuel - this is the weight and dimensions.

[cniza]

Quote: 210ox

This is a very serious weapon .. Where is "our answer to Chamberlain?"

If we have something like that? but we don’t know yet.

[Alex_Tug]

If we have something like that?

Formally, probably not. No need to panic, an RPG helicopter can be shot down. For drones to chase here as if rockets with a radio explosion are needed. From the needle they can dodge due to overloads up to 10-20 g during maneuver.

[Marksman]

Not formally, but really, Spike is space for our military-industrial complex now. Helicopter can land. A sort of MANPADS.
With RPGs, get into a car moving at medium speed.

[Zaurbek]

for such purposes there willow and needle ... I think they are no less effective.

[Zaurbek]

For a tank, you need a good tandem warhead, for an airplane - OF warhead ...

[user]

TECHNOLOGIES shot-forgot lagged behind for 20+ years.

There’s just a horse’s price tag.

[APASUS]

Quote: Marksman

Not formally, but really, Spike is space for our military-industrial complex now. Helicopter can land. A sort of MANPADS.

I have no doubt that Spike is a good rocket, only it will never be on a par with RPGs in terms of reliability, ease of use, price and the number of samples released.
In the meantime, the RPG is really a strong argument, even for the Abrams tank

[Parsec]

Quote: Alex_Tug

For drones to chase here as if rockets with a radio explosion are needed. From the needle they can dodge due to overloads up to 10-20 g during maneuver.

Nonsense. Which drone can develop a well-established 20g?

[Alex_Tug]

Which drone can develop a well-established 20g?

Specifically, 20g I did not say. Just formally, that drones can do maneuvers with overloads more than fighters. They have no weak link - the pilot.

[just exp]

Cornet in the FM version also works through the air.

[Alex_Rarog]

Just what are the dimensions of the cornet ... and this figovina is no more than a fly ...

[just exp]

so the range is different.

[just exp]

it is unlikely that there is generally more than a kilometer in height, it’s still an ATGM, not a MANPADS. I generally think that in height there will be a couple of hundred meters.

[poquello]

Quote: c-Petrov

and at what height can it work?

well, if it flew horizontally 2,5 km, probably right away by satellite, up is a completely different matter, well, a very serious weapon

[Matak]

It is not clear why they upgraded our Spike, and not their Javelin.

[co-creator]

Quote: Matak

It is not clear why they upgraded our Spike, and not their Javelin.

So yours will be cooler.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Matak

It is not clear why they upgraded our Spike, and not their Javelin.

Because this is not our Spike. I, too, was seduced. The American NAVAIR Spike has no connection with ours.

[voyaka uh]

And ... then I wonder - what kind of radar is this?

[hezbola]

this spike I look at is better than the famous javalin will also be 90s development,
Our answer is Cornet EM

[Bayonet]

Quote: Hezbola

Our answer is Cornet EM

The maximum missile range of 10 km (not altitude) gives the complex an advantage over enemy helicopters, allowing them to fire at distances exceeding the range of their weapons complex. As a result of this, in a number of cases, the Kornet-EM anti-aircraft missile system can fulfill some of the functions of a short-range air defense system, providing cover for ground forces from attacks by military helicopters and UAVs of the enemy. The effectiveness of the complex when firing at air targets is achieved by combining a guided missile with a thermobaric warhead having a contact and non-contact target sensor

[Zaurbek]

Definitely not, there is such a thing - the probability of hitting a target. In the tank it’s 90% in the cornet, but in the air? Needle has -98%.

[Parsec]

Quote: Zaurbek

In the tank it’s 90% in the cornet, but in the air? Needle has -98%.

No Needle 0.98.

[Zaurbek]

100% -1 (unit)

[Parsec]

Quote: Zaurbek

100% -1 (unit)

You do not understand the question.

[Zaurbek]

The main thing that you would understand ....

[hezbola]

..And why so far they haven’t put this on all landing octopuses and bmd, after throwing behind the enemy’s rear the same octopus will not survive for a long time when the RQ4 or 9 UAV attacks.

[hezbola]

To combat pumped tanks, the best anti-tank gun would be based on an RPG30 grenade.

[Vadivak]

Quote: 210ox

This is a very serious weapon.

So far, this is a very serious whistle, "a light and powerful missile capable of hitting armored vehicles, shelters, as well as surface and air targets"
Where did you see light and powerful? To hit a plane and a tank are two completely different things, but what about shelter?

[Dinko]

We have for air purposes there is a Verba MANPADS with a three-channel homing head. This MANPADS has recently begun to come into service. Well, all kinds of hybrids there are generally not reliable. By its performance characteristics it surpasses all our and foreign systems.

[TOR2]

Quote: 210ox

This is a very serious weapon .. Where is "our answer to Chamberlain?"

Aircraft Defense Complex of President-S Aircraft

https://topwar.ru/85537-bortovoy-kompleks-oborony
-letatelnyh-apparatov-president-s.html

[Banishing liberoids]

The fourth mode "forgot to shoot" But seriously, the Israelis themselves could not create an initially similar version of their ATGM?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Expelling Liberoids

The fourth mode "forgot to shoot" But seriously, the Israelis themselves could not create an initially similar version of their ATGM?

Ours simply did not set themselves such tasks.

[Zaurbek]

Wrote the same, added the radar ....

[hezbola]

4th mode, it ran into a gold bullet and dropped hummus on the sight))

[Alexey RA]

The dream of the American army came true - a universal anti-tank anti-aircraft complex appeared. Half a century after the appearance of TK on it.
If anyone remembers, the ever-memorable ADATS was planned precisely as a universal complex: Air Defense Anti Tank System.

[just exp]

as in computer strategies, missile launchers shoot both at tanks and at air targets.

[jonhr]

Americans live on this idea today. I don’t know for sure, but in my 6th standard they hit the naval target. at first there was standardization, and now they have universality in the first place

[dvina71]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Expelling Liberoids

The fourth mode "forgot to shoot" But seriously, the Israelis themselves could not create an initially similar version of their ATGM?

Ours simply did not set themselves such tasks.

Really .. the tasks of MANPADS and ATGM are different. To defeat BT, a cumulative jet is needed, to destroy an aircraft, the front of the fragments .. I wonder how they combined it ..?
Although .. not .. not interesting .. Even when I studied mechanics, the mentor said - the most worthless tool is universal.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: dvina71

Really .. the tasks of MANPADS and ATGM are different. To defeat BT, a cumulative jet is needed, to destroy an aircraft, the front of the fragments .. I wonder how they combined it ..?

We have the same ATGM-RVV "Whirlwind" for work on BTT and low-speed air targets. Warhead - tandem, cumulative-fragmentation.

[dvina71]

Quote: Alexey RA

We have the same ATGM-RVV "Whirlwind"

This only confirms the opinion of my mentor .. SAM with a speed of 1M ?. This is even less than that of the ancient Strela1 ..
Universalization is typical for many missile systems developed in the USSR .. Both the S-300 and the OSA, and recently the Bastion of anti-ship missiles on the ground worked, but this is an additional option.
Actually, the EMNIP Whirlwind has only a remote fuse .. It’s not difficult to guess what goals they can hit ..

[Zaurbek]

To defeat the fragments need a special warhead with ready-to-use striking elements (rods, arrows, balls) and a non-contact fuse. And the cumulative-fragmentation shells are from the series, which would be something to shy away at manpower and unarmored objects ... The cumulative is poorly adapted for this.

[Bayonet]

Quote: dvina71

I wonder how they combined it ..?

Apparently missiles with different warheads, just like Cornet’s. (see above).

[Observer2014]

Probably the range on the border of the ionosphere?
What is the range of defeat 100% ??

[Mountain shooter]

I believe in height - not too high. Not that rocket power. Who saw MANPADS - that understands. But for drones and low-flying helicopters - the most dangerous thing.

[voyaka uh]

I think Spike was chosen because of the optical cable guidance system. You can launch a missile according to its own IR GNS. Those. primary information about a low flying target gives a radar. Further, the missile is launched noticeably - to intercept. She captures the target. You can either let her go on a “free” flight or lead her to destruction. Shooting down low-flying tactical UAVs of enemy scouts is convenient for marines who do not have their anti-aircraft guns.

[TOR2]

Quote: voyaka uh

Shooting down low-flying tactical UAVs of enemy scouts is convenient for marines who do not have their anti-aircraft guns.

Compare the cost of this missile and the cost of a reconnaissance UAV.

[Alex1977RUS]

Quote: Vadivak

Quote: 210ox

This is a very serious weapon.

So far, this is a very serious whistle, "a light and powerful missile capable of hitting armored vehicles, shelters, as well as surface and air targets"
Where did you see light and powerful? To hit a plane and a tank are two completely different things, but what about shelter?

Then, as in a joke, it can strike, but who will give it to him?
The racket speed is about 200 m / s, in fact, this is why Javelin was rejected, he’s got a hundred meters per second, he can shoot at the balloons, in general it’s a random helicopter, or a screwless drone can hit it, and this is not a fact, but against normal aircraft are useless.
The same ancient Arrow racket speed of about 400 ms ...
The usual cut dough. The most banal. The US military doctrine is built on air superiority. Therefore, all-arms air defense they always had in the pen. There’s no one to shoot at anyway, all the flying falcons of Truman-Roosevelt-Reagan-Trump, they’ll underscore, they need to emphasize ... But the idea is rich, you can steal a billion from this ... suddenly to "find out" that they are ineffective, to carry out another NICR, modernize, and also contract, to supply improved MK-2 missiles ... In general, by the time "suddenly" find out that the ATGM and MANPADS are completely different, incompatible things , a couple of billions will settle with the Jews, and a couple more in the Cayman Islands ..
And the initiators of the program are retired, they left somewhere ...

[Alex1977RUS]

In order to be clearer, this is the Outlaw itself, which is epically shot down with the expense of one rocket,
one target, this is apparently the MQM-170A Outlaw, in the target version.
The maximum flight speed is 195 km / h, marching, attention, fanfare, 95 km-h ...
And this is what they give us here for successful tests of the infantry ATGM-MANPADS, which in theory should hit all types and classes within the reach of the height of targets ...

[Berkut24]

Just do not understand why for some money to make another MANPADS from ATGM. You can simply upgrade the existing complex. What is the benefit?

[dubowitskij.vick]

Quote: Matak

It is not clear why they upgraded our Spike, and not their Javelin.

Javelin is a completely dead end idea. The infrared guidance head requires pre-cooling before starting. For the temperature of the rocket itself, equal to the temperature of the environment makes it blind. Javelin does not see ground armored vehicles with idle engines. Since they do not have a temperature gradient relative to the environment. He does not see armored vehicles against the backdrop of a city fire. Because the background clogs the heat of the object. It is easy to wave away from Javelin by hiding the technique with a heat-reflecting polymer film. And, finally, they cannot, in extreme cases, shy away from earthen fortification. Though expensive, but life is more expensive.
Javelin is fabulously expensive.
All this forced to withdraw from production, work out old stocks and push the idiots abroad.

[dubowitskij.vick]

Quote: Alex1977RUS

In order to be clearer, this is the Outlaw itself, which is epically shot down with the expense of one rocket,
one target, this is apparently the MQM-170A Outlaw, in the target version.
The maximum flight speed is 195 km / h, marching, attention, fanfare, 95 km-h ...
And this is what they give us here for successful tests of the infantry ATGM-MANPADS, which in theory should hit all types and classes within the reach of the height of targets ...

The projectile in this case is two to three times more expensive than the target. Although, it should be quite the opposite.

[Mentat]

Quote: Marksman

Why do not we have? Because TECHNOLOGIES shot-forgot lagged behind for 20+ years. The Su-34 launches cast iron (80% of the video from Syria), and the 30-year-old F-16 extinguishes moving objects.

Your answer reveals the full depth of your awareness and horizons. We state it this way.
“Chuguniy is letting go” because it corresponds to the tasks set, and not because there is nothing else. There are such concepts as “expediency” and “optimality”. For your hearing, these words are probably familiar, but you cannot connect these words and the picture of falling cast iron with the help of intelligence.

As for the shot-and-forget technologies, they are very costly and profitable for sale, but not for mass use. at this moment.
At your leisure, you can make yourself a sign of the cost of a shot of various wunderwafes.
When you penetrate the depth and width, it will begin to reach you, probably why such weapons current generation Do not rush to adopt in Russia.

[Serzh_R]

Versatility is the new fad of the USA.
Yes, advanced technologies yield results.

[TOR2]

If you apply this all to our reality, then you can try to create a "amulet" that will be fastened on the "neck" of the shot to RPG-7. For example, if there was a need to attack a well-armored target in the forehead, then when approaching an “amulet” would help a shot to perform a “cobra throw” attacking the target in the upper projection. With flying targets, things are much more complicated. Quite stringent restrictions on weight and dimensions, both in other matters and in cost. As far as the elemental base allows creating such an “amulet” the question is of course rhetorical. To reduce the cost of course, you can create 2 types of amulets. The “amulet - throw of a cobra” in cost will be very different from the “amulet-IK”. Of course, it is tempting to equip the Marine Corps and Airborne Forces with such pieces, and the DRG will not be superfluous in the arsenal.

[haenx]

Spike missiles in the last Azerbaijani-Armenian conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh have shown their high efficiency. The damage range depended on the rocket engine and correlated from 4 to 15 km. its main advantage is the video camera software in the warhead head

[Zaurbek]

They rather used the Charon UAV ...