The first Chinese-made aircraft carrier will be launched this year.

Chinese shipbuilders completed the installation of the “island” on the Type 001A project carrier under construction. A new ship is planned to be launched until the end of 2017. N + 1 with reference to Defense News.

"Liaoning"

Type 001A is the first aircraft carrier designed and built in China. Today, the PRC Navy has only one aircraft carrier - "Liaoning", bought from Ukraine. It was put into service in 2012. Previously, the Liaoning was called the aircraft carrying cruiser Varyag (the 1143.6 Krechet project).

“The new Chinese aircraft carrier was obviously designed on the basis of the Soviet 1143.6 project. The Chinese side allegedly received its documentation when it bought the Varyag from Ukraine. Nevertheless, there are external differences from the original project. In particular, on the new ship "island" (the main superstructure with the bridge and the mission control center) is extended and made higher ", - stated in the material.

Otherwise, the new ship will likely be similar to Liaoning. The latter has a displacement of 59,5 thousand tons, length - 304 m, width - 75 m. The aircraft carrier is capable of speeds up to 19 nodes, its range - about 8-th thousand miles.

In 2016 g, it was reported that construction of 2's runways with steam and electromagnetic catapults was completed in Liaoning Province near the city of Huludao. It is assumed that both devices will be involved in comparative tests, following the results of which one of the structures will be selected for installation on promising aircraft carriers.

Comments

[BYV]

Mdya ... But, to be honest, they take envy ... and green legs ... on the throat ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

I blew my nose sadly and went into the kitchen to have some tea ....

[Banishing liberoids]

Andrei Yuryevich, do not be so upset that there are a lot of people on the site who can convincingly prove to you that the aircraft carrier dumbly drunk boble and weapons of the damned imperialists, and we not only do not need them, but the country’s damage will be gigantic from the presence of such ships in the fleet (better pull cognac to cheer up, or vodka sotochka ) !.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

and there’s a bunch of people on the site who can convincingly prove to you that the aircraft carrier dumbly drunk boble and weapons of the damned imperialists, and we not only do not need them, but the country’s damage will be gigantic from the presence of such ships in the fleet

This is nothing. Now they will still remember about Chinese ballistic missiles, to which the aircraft carrier to strike, how to send two bytes. Question: "If Chinese missiles are so omnipotent, and aircraft carriers die out like mammoths, why does China implement its own aircraft carrier program?" it doesn’t occur to them

[Alexey RA]

Heh heh heh ... some generally say that China and India have understood all the superiorities of RCC and are not building an AB.

[bulvas]

Quote: BYV

Mdya ... But, to be honest, they take envy ... and green legs ... on the throat ...

Quote: Andrew Y.

I blew my nose sadly and went into the kitchen to have some tea ....

An aircraft carrier is beautiful and cool, but ....
do we really need them now?
There will be extra billions in the budget - not a question, it is necessary to build

And now?

We do not have sea lanes vital for the economy, islands

For the Arctic, we have icebreakers that no one has, infrastructure is developing in the North, it is more important for us to build more aircraft, small and large.
If we had warm seas, instead of icebreakers we would build aircraft carriers

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: bulvas

do we really need them now?

Like yes. We have one and only one, and that one is not of the best construction.

Quote: bulvas

There will be extra billions in the budget - not a question, it is necessary to build

The thesis is incomprehensible. It’s not a pity for Rusnano, not a bit for the Olympics, it’s easy for the World Cup in football, but not for the aircraft carrier.

Quote: bulvas

We do not have sea lanes vital for the economy, islands

The fleet is an instrument of peacetime politics. We may not (the Kuril Islands, see, the tsunami washed away), but others have them.

[bulvas]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Andrei from Chelyabinsk

I love the sea and ships very much, grew up on a great river, lived on the sea, engaged in sailing, etc.

For a powerful fleet - with all flippers and fins, he is ready to give floats from an unfinished catamaran and all sensible things prepared many years ago and that did not recognize wind and water.

Also, all my life I dreamed of having a yacht and traveling the oceans by the seas ...

Looks like no luck already, I hope that the Russian fleet dreams will come true

[dogens]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Question: "If Chinese missiles are so omnipotent, and aircraft carriers die out like mammoths, why does China implement its own aircraft carrier program?" it doesn't occur to them

A: Because almighty Chinese missiles are in China!

[Winnie76]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Why is China implementing its own aircraft carrier program?

Well, firstly it's beautiful ...

[vovanpain]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

(better pull cognac to cheer up,

Followed your advice, grabbed cognac, just spat and thought that only the Chinese envy remained.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Expelling Liberoids

Andrei Yuryevich, do not be so upset that there are a lot of people on the site who can convincingly prove to you that the aircraft carrier dumbly drunk boble and weapons of the damned imperialists, and we not only do not need them, but the country’s damage will be gigantic from the presence of such ships in the fleet (better pull cognac to cheer up, or vodka sotochka ) !.

In order to be able to build an aircraft carrier, you first need to build support vessels, escort and escort ships, and then plan a deck for it, taking into account modern trends ...
We would have to build corvettes and frigates serially quickly and in large series, and not scratch their tongues about an aircraft carrier. When we master this, then the Leader can be talked about and laid down, and then we’ll be able to build an aircraft carrier. And today we do not have a good series of frigates or corvettes. Zircons only promise Poliment Redoubt too ...
And now, looking at this furry northern animal, which has settled down in our defense shipbuilding, I really want to see the beginning of a really serial construction of Ash-trees, Kalin (and not old Warsaw), frigates and corvettes with a modern arsenal, and of course, live to see the laying of the first Leader destroyer.

[dauria]

We would have to build corvettes and frigates serially fast and in large series,

To give birth to children, to raise, to learn, schools and hospitals, factories and institutes for them. And life, so that they did not want to flee to America and Europe. It was called the USSR. Then the aircraft carriers will be. Now sniff cognac or whatever, shaking your head and remembering how Boria was chosen. (I have a moonshine)

[drunkram]

By their logic, we do not need ships of the frigate class or higher

[vanek77]

Well done, the Chinese, there’s nothing to say, but we are cutting the military budget and building "nanoseeds." This is our neighbor, who does not hide his ambitions and claims to Siberia with its riches. At the moment they are busy, but the time will come, they will look at us, with our fleet consisting mainly of boats with Caliber. We will only have one year later, destroyers will lay another, about the aircraft carriers we are not even talking. And with our pace of construction, even the watchdogs are scared to think when the first destroyer is launched. Hopefully at least this century. And the Chinese are stubbornly pushing for world domination, and our traders are all tearing up the defense industry, they don’t care about all this.

[hrych]

Quote: vanek77

Well done, the Chinese, there’s nothing to say, but we are cutting the military budget and building "nanoseeds."

Listen to my dear, already in combat formation, three nuclear Boreas - missile carriers in speed not inferior to multi-purpose ones, i.e. are interceptible in principle, for your information. The fourth is being prepared for commissioning, and four more are laid down and to varying degrees of construction, one is already undergoing hydraulic tests, the other is already formed in the building (Prince Oleg).

Quote: vanek77

This is our neighbor, who does not hide his ambitions and claims to Siberia with its riches.

In your opinion, the aircraft carriers will probably travel around Siberia, just as the same prince Oleg put his lodges on wheels and millions of Chinese barge haulers will provide traction. Relax the rolls, there’s nothing to be afraid of 16 missiles multiplied by 4, there are already 64 missiles, each demolishes from 4 to 10 towns, so consider who Siberia is shining

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: hrych

Relax the rolls, there is nothing to be afraid of 16 missiles multiplied by 4

Yeah. But for some reason, Georgia was not afraid of the atomic weapons of the Russian Federation. Argentina was not afraid of the atomic weapons of England. Vietnam was not afraid of US nuclear weapons.
Strange, right?

[hrych]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Strange, right?

The fact is that a direct military conflict between nuclear powers will definitely lead to its application, this is the law. In this case, that the Russian Federation, that Britain had the means to smear the enemy with other means, both of which were demonstrative in nature. Vietnam war is a slightly different case there the US assisted one side in civil war, and at the first stage there the Viet Cong only guerrilla, both in the jungle, and there was a sabotage underground in the cities of the South. It is approximately so that to smack in Kiev to destroy the Bandera underground. Moreover, by and large, this war was the theater of the campaign companies of Johnson, Nixon, etc. Moreover, the Kennedy assassination, as a showdown of the American establishment, is largely connected with this, the war was needed, as Poroshenko now and now. Then there was a complete discharge of Saigon, etc. As well, the rehearsal of a larger war and the use of the latest technologies, primarily jet aircraft and helicopters, air defense, electronic warfare, etc. were practiced in Korea. Both conflicts, like the Arab-Israeli battles, formed the current air force and etc. The endless Indo-Pakistani wars ceased after both sides acquired vigorous charges and delivery vehicles. Here Britain, in principle, although it defended its possessions, but suffered exceptional losses when the cost of the destroyer, super-landing ship, etc., became equal to the cost of one RCC Exocet. And since the US and British fleets are tailored according to the same patterns, the Soviet Union’s refusal to be a monkey with the aircraft carrier fleet is also understandable with the redistribution of submarines, cruisers, and long-range sea carcasses carrying anti-ship missiles. And even Kuzma (by the way it is quite enough for our doctrine and one) is half the missile carrier.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: hrych

The fact is that a direct military conflict between nuclear powers will definitely lead to the use of this

You forgot to add IMHO. Because another scenario is possible - both sides will not apply it, trying to get along with the usual ones - this option is possible if the armed conflict does not affect any super-values ​​of each enemy (well, there’s a war for a disputed territory of small sizes)

Quote: hrych

And since US and British fleets tailored according to the same patterns

They are completely different and their tasks are different. In the USA - shock function, in the British - anti-submarine

Quote: hrych

refusal of the USSR to become monkey with the aircraft carrier fleet

That is, the construction of the two Kuznetsovs and the next series of nuclear Ulyanovsk ones is not a carrier fleet? :)

[hrych]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

That is, the construction of the two Kuznetsovs and the next series of nuclear Ulyanovsk ones is not a carrier fleet? :)

Kuzya and Varyag (Liaoning) - missile carriers, with as many as 12 rocket launchers, air defense systems in the form of air defense systems, and air defense systems in the form of RBUs. Those. not a floating airfield that requires an AUG, but a completely self-sufficient cruiser. For we have a different doctrine and must be followed. I am in that sense. And atomic projects would carry even more Granites and Daggers.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: hrych

Kuzya and Varyag (Liaoning) - missile carriers

They are aircraft carriers, not missile carriers.

Quote: hrych

Those. not a floating airfield that requires an AUG, but a completely self-sufficient cruiser.

No one ever intended to use Kuznetsov / Ulyanovsk "as a self-sufficient ship." They had a clear purpose for themselves - air cover of surface and submarine forces, delivering strikes against ship groups (including AUG, of course) of the enemy. In other words, they were created under the functions of air defense aircraft carriers.

Quote: hrych

And atomic projects would carry even more Granites and Daggers.

The same number - 12 and 192

[hrych]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

The same number - 12 and 192

16 launchers with granites would be in Ulyanovsk

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: hrych

16 PU with Granites

Pavlov (the birth and death of the seventh vianosets) claims that 12. And in the images of Ulyanovsk 12 PU. One wiki against

[Boa kaa]

Quote: hrych

in the combat formation there are three nuclear Boreas - missile carriers in terms of speed not inferior to multi-purpose ones, i.e. are interceptible in principle, for your information.

Dear colleague, Hrych!
If you knew how sincerely you were mistaken, believing that "speed" is the main tactical quality and advantage of strategists!
You can’t even imagine that they very rarely go with 10-12 as a nodal move, basically 4-5 nodal moves ...
And in principle there are no “non-intercepted" strategic bombers: the MK-48mod 5 is still faster, and nobody canceled Asroks and Sabrokas, again Neptune ... Yes, it’s hard to force the borders of the PLO every 3-4 hours sniffing your tail. ..Therefore, the main thing is not to make noise, but, on the sly, on soft cat's legs, go up and lie low until you receive an order from 030 ... Look.
And, mentioning our shipbuilding program:

Quote: hrych

The fourth is being prepared for commissioning, and four more are laid down and to varying degrees of construction

it should be remembered for its shift to the right, for the new SLBM, which needs to be equipped with new rpkSNy ... So, not everything is so smooth in the kingdom of Denmark, as you draw us with "wide strokes of a true artist." Yeah, here.

Quote: hrych

Relax the rolls, there’s nothing to be afraid of multiplying 16 rockets by 4, there are already 64 rockets, each blows from 4 to 10 towns, so consider who Siberia is shining

Very good advice!
But for some reason, it seriously seems to me that few on the site can tell where these products are looking. Since possessing this knowledge brings a lot of sadness with him, because, having opened his mouth, he knows for sure "to whom Siberia is shining." Yeah.
Good luck!

[hrych]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

If you knew how sincerely you were mistaken ... 10-12 nodal moves they rarely go, mostly 4-5 nodal moves ...

That's right when patrolling is done. That’s another thing when she leaves the base, when a multi-purpose guard guards her, in order to get in the ass, she must leave at full speed, and anti-submarine means cover her departure from the most dangerous section. A multipurpose can not reach speeds of more than 20 knots, because the noise of turbulence robs invisibility of anti-submarine weapons, and they are in our territory. In short, I'm certainly not special but I read one ingenier, because then what was the point of bothering to listen to you at all, there’s no logic in this, making retractable stabilizers, making a specially inclined wheelhouse, like the fastest Anchar, and generally making a club of a certain size to fit in diameter Pike-B and confine ourselves to small streamlined contours of the mine compartment, instead of humps, like the Squids, Dolphins and the Borey project under the Bark - a slightly improved muck of R-39, in the form of UTX about which for some reason they whine. On average, previously a multi-purpose vehicle had a speed 10 knots higher than a missile carrier (Borea only 10 percent). It was impossible to get away from it using speed, and our “humpbacks" and giant catamaran Sharks, for objective reasons, were noisier than the enemy’s multipurpose, the first because of humped turbulence, the second because of doubling the noise of reactors and screws. The task for engineers is clearly set and this is speed, and this is low noise, the problem is solved, although speed is not important to you.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: vanek77

Well done, the Chinese, there’s nothing to say, but we are cutting the military budget and building "nanoseeds." This is our neighbor, who does not hide his ambitions and claims to Siberia with its riches. At the moment they are busy, but the time will come, they will look at us, with our fleet consisting mainly of boats with Caliber.

And what, by land we do not border China anymore?
What does the Chinese fleet have to do with China’s hypothetical invasion of Russia? Where will they use these ABs - on the Amur? With the existing length of the Sino-Russian (and Mongolian-Russian - because the Mongolian army will not last long against the PLA), the main threat to us is the Chinese ground forces, missile forces and the Air Force. And the Chinese fleet is in the category "other threats".

[ADmA_RUS]

1. As I understand it, the flag is not the Russian Federation?
2. If you're talking about the Russian Federation, then you're lying.

Rossich spent on military purposes 2,9 trillion rubles. - almost a trillion (or 48%) more than in 2014

3. Please rate the official documents of China where do they plan to take the territories from us?

[dsm100]

Here you can’t get off just by blowing it. And I will go slam a pile.

[Zibelew]

The aircraft carrier Liaoning, a name in honor of the Chinese province, almost sounds like Lenin. And the next one will be called - "Steaolin"?
By the way, Ukrainians sold the Varangian according to their data for $ 23 million, the Chinese say that they bought it for 120 million (where 100 lyamov got x / z).

[cap]

Quote: Zibelew

By the way, Ukrainians sold the Varangian according to their data for $ 23 million, the Chinese say that they bought it for 120 million (where 100 lyamov got x / z).

The Pension Fund of Ukraine replenished with 100 "lyam". It is called "presidential".
Open as befits presidential funds in the Cayman Islands

[Liberoid-]

A little sad, but at the same time happy for the Chinese "comrades" ... Well done, what else can I say! I hope it is intended for the Japanese and Americans .. It's time to drive them in the seas and oceans, insolent!

[Mavrikiy]

Well, urya! I am not for China, I am against the USA

[ramzes1776]

Well done. Quickly they succeed. Not like ours. "Thread" in Yeysk for many years we can not build.

[padded jacket]

Quote: BYV

envy take.

Well, what do you want? In China, there were no 90s of the collapse of the country and the various Gaidars of Chubais, the Berezovsky Gusinsky and other Abramovichs in power in the country and they didn’t cut their fleet, as well as aviation into “needles,” they were developing steadily under the leadership of the CCP

[Bayonet]

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, what do you want? In China, there was no 90s collapse of the country

But in China there was the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in 1966-1976.
The consequences of the Cultural Revolution:
- The cultural revolution has had a devastating impact on the life of the country.
- According to some sources, human casualties reach 100 million.
- The ideology of Maoism led to the emergence of class war, and murders began to be considered part of everyday life.
- The greatest architectural structures of antiquity, such as many Tibetan temples and some sections of the Great Wall of China, were destroyed.
- Thousands of paintings and books were destroyed, as well as the scenery at the Beijing Opera. For 10 years after the Cultural Revolution, her repertoire included only the works of Jiang Qing, the wife of Mao Zedong.
- Millions of young professionals disappeared in the villages. The rest of the youth — the hungweibs — are now considered a lost generation.

[hrych]

Quote: Bayonet

But in China there was the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in 1966-1976.

The Maoists won the greatest victory in the Great Sparrow War, when they killed all the counter-revolutionary sparrows, and for one canary and other imperialist bullfinches. The victory was brilliant and crushing, the tweeting monsters were destroyed. True, caterpillars hit the back of the Chinese people and devoured all the rice, from 20 to 30 million citizens were not counted from starvation (World War II is resting). But the enemy destroyed about 2 billion (a hundred sparrows for every fallen Chinese), so 1: 100 in favor of the Chinese. True, we had to mobilize our Russian internationalist sparrows to defeat the caterpillars. The Russians saved China, both from the Japanese and from the caterpillars.

[Bayonet]

Quote: hrych

The greatest victory of the Maoists was in the Great Sparrow War, when they killed all the counter-revolutionary sparrows

“A letter from the workers of the Tambov plant to the Chinese leaders” by V. S. Vysotsky.
And if itching - do not suffer without work, --—
You still have enough business:
Crush the flies, reduce the birth rate,
Destroy your sparrows!

[cap]

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, what do you want? In China, there were no 90s of the collapse of the country and the various Gaidars of Chubais, the Berezovsky Gusinsky and other Abramovichs in power in the country and they didn’t cut their fleet, as well as aviation into “needles,” they were developing steadily under the leadership of the CCP

With the listed gentlemen and others, remove your fleet and aircraft from the FORBs list for a long time. To them, Russia's interests are not a reason for worries.

[padded jacket]

Quote: cap

With the listed gentlemen and others, remove your fleet and aircraft from the FORBs list for a long time.

Naturally, they cut the fleet and aircraft of the USSR in the 90s and stole money, and now they are resting quietly under the wing of the CIA and Mossad.

[Bayonet]

Quote: quilted jacket

Naturally, they cut the fleet and aircraft of the USSR in the 90s stole money and now they are resting quietly under the wing of the CIA and Mossad

The corps of the heavy aircraft carrier cruiser of the USSR Navy - Riga, aka Leonid Brezhnev, aka Tbilisi, aka Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov, was laid on the slipway of the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant on September 1, 1982. Saved personally by Vatnik when "the fleet and aviation of the USSR were cut in the 90s"
By the way, the cruiser "Moscow" (launched in 1982) also survived thanks to it! Now completing "Ivan Gren!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: cap

With the listed gentlemen and others, remove your fleet and aircraft from the FORBs list for a long time. To them, Russia's interests are not a reason for worries.

Colleague,
On this occasion, you can only say one thing: "On Senka hat!"
Pyotr Alekseevich Romanov had Demidovs, and modern rulers - Chu Baysa, Aramymovichi and others like him ...
The first one was a little shaving beards, but he was planted on a stake, he was shackled in “iron” ... The second ones sincerely believe that it’s not 37 for a year, so the colonel can calmly sit on the common house ...
And all of them are wonderful ... they feel great in the era of a comprehensive fight against corruption!
One would like to say: About times, about morals! (from).

[Banishing liberoids]

What interests me most is the Chinese electromagnetic catapult - I honestly won’t believe that the Chinese made it themselves, the Yankees won’t bring it to their senses, but then the copier comes out ahead of you, or at least caught up with it.

[voyaka uh]

So the idea of ​​an electro-catapult, in my opinion, is very simple. Many coils in a row.
Like reyl-gan (railgun). It’s not the shell that is dispersed, but the plane
(not so fast ).
There are a lot of electric power in modern semi-electric ships ...
Why can't the Chinese do this?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: voyaka uh

So the idea of ​​an electro-catapult, in my opinion, is very simple.

The idea is simple. The embodiment is complex :)))) Therefore, the Americans can’t bring their minds to life, and we at one time, in the USSR, although we made great progress on this topic, did not

[Banishing liberoids]

A warrior, or Aleksey-knowledge and technology, something that the Chinese side lacks, for I repeat, even the more powerful America can’t bring my electromagnetic catapult to mind that it’s possible to talk about Chinese then, but as long as it works, it’ll work out that the power plant’s capacity is not enough to provide the planned number of aircraft launches, and energy is needed for its own needs. ..

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

the power plant’s capacity is not enough to provide the planned number of aircraft launches, and energy is also needed for its own needs. ..

The problem lies in a slightly different plane ...
The EMK operates an autonomous (personal) power generating unit that is not associated with the selection of power for general ship and other special consumers. It can be looped into the ship’s unified power supply network - to give and consume, if necessary, part of the ship’s DG / TG ​​power.
But the charging of energy storage devices (capacitors) takes a certain amount of time ... When raising aircraft, it is necessary to ensure a predetermined rate, which directly depends on the rate of energy storage ... So, the struggle is for the number, weight, and size of storage devices. Their longevity is also in question ... Great expectations for film technology.
So, everything interesting is yet to come!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But charging energy storage devices (capacitors) takes a certain time ..

Condenser drives are needed where you need an instantaneous pulse of high power - in electromagnetic guns railguns. In the catapult, a linear electric motor is used to accelerate the aircraft smoothly, but with rather high acceleration.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

honestly I won’t believe that the Chinese made it themselves

Surprisingly, it may very well be. I heard that the Chinese have made great advances in electromagnetic technology - trains on electromagnetic suspensions, etc.

[donavi49]

Photo on January 27.

[padded jacket]

Now they are showing here such a "cartoon" with dates for the construction of new sections of this aircraft carrier

[Thunderbolt]

The development of Chinese aircraft carriers directly pushes the Indians into the clutches of American gunsmiths who can offer them a whole range of systems for sale: from the aircraft carrier itself with a catapult, to a diverse aircraft wing. but well-developed patterns may be of interest to the Indians.
The rise of China is pushing neighboring countries to an arms race, everyone wants to have something to say to a formidable neighbor.
It is better not to compare it with our fleet re-equipment program at all in order to save nerves. We do not have a clear program and talk all over each really new model. And in China, the next five-year development plan of the COUNTRY has recently been adopted, everything is clearly laid out and it is clear where to move strategically. with this approach, they break into the leaders. They have 13 five-year plans, and here ...

[donavi49]

It’s too late for Hindus to change shoes.

Vicra is already there.
Wikrant to redo late.


I wrote yes - they want to stuff it to the maximum, but there are also no contracts. They so vigorously want to have it by 30 year, but in reality there is nothing with the traditionally Indian approach (to cut more, more to go around the market and bargain), I wrote well to 40 year if they did.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Thunderbolt

The development of Chinese aircraft carriers directly pushes the Indians into the claws of American gunsmiths

Yes, in general, no. They will not sell the latest technology in India, and even if they gathered, it would only be a black box. And the Indians do not need this, they are trying, acquiring equipment, to adopt and master new technologies.
And what, strictly speaking, can the United States offer? Atomic Nimits? Unless - very used. They stipulate in the law that the United States should have at least 11 AUGs, in reality there are 10 now, so there is no excess AB planned. Yes, and it is doubtful that the Indians wanted Nimitz. And from deck aviation, the Americans are only likely to fly to the Hornet.
In general, here we can still compete with the United States. We can help (and help) the Indians build their own AVs, and the MiG decks are not so bad. In the aggregate, the proposals stand each other

[demiurg]

And what kind of reserve? Or has America nothing left now?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: demiurg

And what kind of reserve?

There, if anything remains, then the resource that has lost its life is dead.

[Thunderbolt]

The Americans took up the Indians seriously amid the rise of China:

In foreign policy, the government not only continued its course toward rapprochement with the United States, but also took a number of steps that even the Indian National Congress did not take. In an interview, Narendra Modi called Delhi and Washington "natural allies" and said that their common goal is to strengthen democratic values ​​throughout the world. The United States, however, is guided by much more pragmatic interests. Their goal is to turn India into an active member of the anti-Chinese coalition. In Washington they talk about it openly. A recent Pentagon report calls Delhi a key player in China's containment strategy.
The Indian authorities are not yet going to open confrontation with a neighbor: the country's dependence on Chinese imports and fears of the economic and military might of the Middle Kingdom affect. But Washington did manage to achieve a number of concessions. In accordance with the agreement between the defense departments of the two countries concluded in April, the United States was able to use Indian military bases to refuel and repair its ships and aircraft. The joint statement by the defense ministers, Manohar Parrikar and Ashton Carter, emphasized the “importance of ensuring ... freedom of navigation and overflight over the region, including the South China Sea”. These words were clearly meant for Beijing. The PRC is opposed to the entry into its territorial waters of the US Navy ships that refer to "freedom of navigation."
A new US-Indian agreement on military cooperation is being prepared for signing, and it is possible that it will mark the next preferences for Washington. This is indicated by the creation in the Pentagon of a special department for relations with Delhi, and the introduction of a new partnership status for India, involving the simplification of military-technical cooperation procedures to a level operating within NATO.
In the meantime, the Navy of India, the United States and Japan are playing muscle, conducting the annual naval exercises "Malabar" in the Bay of Bengal. And on June 9-17, large-scale maneuvers in the same composition took place already in the immediate vicinity of the territorial waters of China - in the Philippine Sea.http: //www.electorat.info/blog/8369.html

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

They stipulate in the law that the United States should have at least 11 AUGs, in reality there are 10 now, so there is no excess AB planned.

The Americans will change all their aircraft carriers to a Ford type, where a month ago information slipped through. So soon they will begin to be freed, Nimitz will be freed according to the plan in 2020, and why do you think that the Indians will not reach for them? On Nimitz, so many all kinds of fringe wraps can be attached, Vikram never dreamed of.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: saturn.mmm

The Americans will change all their aircraft carriers to a Ford type, where a month ago information slipped

So it has long been understood.

Quote: saturn.mmm

So they will soon begin to be freed, Nimitz will be freed according to the plan in 2020, and why do you believe that the Indians will not reach for them?

Well, let's think. Firstly, it is extremely doubtful that Nimitz could be transferred to someone in the 2020th simply because it is unlikely that the second Ford will go into operation before 2020 - they now have a head delay. And secondly, let’s say, in 2020, Nimitz will be freed. India really needs a 45-year-old man?

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

India really needs a 45-year-old man?

The British at one time put Hermes on them, compared Nimitz is a huge leap forward.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: saturn.mmm

The British at the time of Hermes

At the time of the commissioning of the Indian Navy, Hermes was still a fairly strong 29 year old trough.

[voyaka uh]

"Nuclear" Nimits "? Is that - very used." ////

Why not actually start selling Nimitsa as new Fords start them
replace?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: voyaka uh

Why not actually start selling Nimitsa

You can try, but to whom and why to buy them? Who needs a worn ship with nuclear power plants?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Thunderbolt

And in China, the next five-year development plan of the COUNTRY has recently been adopted, everything is clearly laid out and it is clear where to move strategically. With this approach, they break out into the leaders. They have the 13th five-year plan, and here ...

Yes, 13 is a five-year plan. And we have 12 turned out to be the last And that was not done because of this fucking restructuring.
And now we would have had the eighteenth and we are this China, forgive me my French, in one place we would rotate.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Thunderbolt

The development of Chinese aircraft carriers directly pushes the Indians into the claws of American gunsmiths

Why American? India, as a member of the Commonwealth, can turn to a much closer carrier power - the former Metropolis.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Alexey RA

India, as a member of the Commonwealth, can turn to a much closer carrier power - the former Metropolis.

Nope, then another member of the Commonwealth will be offended, namely Pakistan. In this situation, the British prefer to remain "over the fray."

[Atlant-1164]

let's rejoice for our ally .. for today he is an ally .. \ while needs us \ and tomorrow as the card lies down. (

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Atlant-1164

let's rejoice for our ally .. today he is an ally.

What kind of ally is he? He is not even officially an ally

[Atlant-1164]

and the United States is also not officially our enemy..on our partner, and officially .. \ read between the lines \

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Atlant-1164

read between the lines \

So the fact of the matter is that neither line by line nor between the lines is China an ally to us. From the word "general". He is on his own and for himself, the concept "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" does not work with him

[Altona]

What the aircraft carrier built, well done. But at the same time, copying the basic design, they copied the flaws. In any case, this is conditionally their own development, but in fact accelerated construction according to the available training manual. China has a lot of controversial archipelagos in the ocean and they obviously need such a floating base because their clones of our aircraft have a low resource and a flight radius.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Altona

What the aircraft carrier built, well done. But at the same time, copying the basic design, they copied the flaws.

Judging by the line of images of Chinese ABs, they are planning an evolutionary development from the Varyag springboard to a full-fledged catapult plodubetnik with a nuclear power plant. They can be understood - such a smooth development allows to reduce the construction time of the first AB (with a springboard). In the meantime, they are being built - there will be time to prepare a draft of the classic AB.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Altona

copying the basic design, they copied the flaws.

Colleague, I'm sorry, but here you are not quite right.
The Hongfuzes are far from being imbeciles: they are masters of “fine-tuning” and finishing / alteration of the obtained samples.
A simple example. Bought our 956. On the second building, they made design changes: we removed our boilers, huge cabinets with Russian electronics - put our equipment in and the place was vacated for cabins and equipment. They removed the stern gun, increased the hangar by one place, and made it full-time.
Now is the next stage of the "alteration" -work for themselves. Hurricane girder PUs are thrown away, replacing them with UPV ...
Thus, ships, maintaining their seaworthiness as a platform, acquire new combat capabilities. Surely they did the same with their first-born aircraft carrier fleet.
IMHO

[pafegosoff]

Read the article http://ekd.me/2016/01/china-strategy/
She will explain a lot. Why China needs aircraft carriers, why they will not fight with Kazakhstan and Russia.
But why are our and Chinese strategic missiles striving to be located in the center of the continent? It must be assumed that it would be more difficult for them to get the Americans from their nuclear submarines, ships, airplanes and bases ... Where are we? In Uzhur, Orenburg, Irkutsk, Tatishchevo, Yoshkar-Ola, Nizhny Tagil, Novosibirsk and Kozelsk ...

[Karaul73]

This is the pace! I wonder if the aircraft carrier will have defensive missile weapons, or whether the Chinese will follow the path of the Americans.

[Seraphimamur]

Yes, "brothers forever." By the way, China is interested in the Arctic .....

[Evil 55]

A bit incomplete information, because the PRC is building two aircraft carriers of the same type at once, analogue 1143.6 ... The readiness of the first is 90, the second is in parameters 70 .. Consequently, at least three UGs will be formed in the PRC Navy by 2019, which is already clearly not enough for the Yellow Sea, internal and territorial waters of China ..

[Pecheneg]

One question. Why does China need a strike fleet?

[Vitalson]

Well done slanting ....

[spravochnik]

Otherwise, the new ship is likely to be similar to the Liaoning. The latter has a displacement of 59,5 thousand tons, length - 304 m, width - 75 m. The aircraft carrier is capable of speeds up to 19 nodes, its range is about 8 thousand miles.

What kind of AB is this with a speed of 19 knots, much less is it similar to Liaoning. In my opinion, the author of the nodes was 10 wrong. The Varangian (Liaoning) has a maximum speed of 29 knots.

[Mentat]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Thesis is incomprehensible. It’s not a pity for Rusnano, not a bit for the Olympics, it’s easy for the World Cup in football, but not for the aircraft carrier.

Aircraft carriers are a tool for projecting strength. Very expensive.
We would have to deal with internal equipment, with aviation, which is sorely lacking. There is a long list of items ahead of aircraft carriers.
The Olympics are from another opera, geopolitics and PR, you also need to spend money on this, the moment was very successful. By the way, we have funds associated with the Olympic construction, largely went to the development of the city’s infrastructure, unlike many other countries.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Mentat

Aircraft carriers are a tool for projecting strength. Very expensive.

And very effective in terms of projection of force.

Quote: Mentat

Olympiad - from another opera, geopolitics and PR

Geopolitics is not done olympiads. It is done by aircraft carriers. And for PR - h-ski is expensive. But if you believe that PR is more important ...