Smith & Wesson Military & Polis is a revolver without flaws.

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This article ... Jubilee - with the number 500 on TOPWAR for two years, that I cooperate with him. I could have written more, but it is clear that one cannot read Shpakovsky alone. Whatever it was, the number of 500 is also quite large, that is, in the year it goes on 250 published materials. Some articles turn out better, some worse, some are written “in the mood”, some become the fruits of many months, and even perennial (!) Research, some are written in collaboration with my colleagues - in any case I have to work with their lyrics too. I am sure that the work with the site will continue in the future, and his readers, both those who like my work, and those to whom they are across the throat, will have much more interesting to see. I thought for a long time what kind of material to make five hundred? About the People's Commissar Yagoda with an inventory of the finds he made during the arrest? Another pro effigy? About the culture of Japan, let's say, the samurai images on the uki-e xylographs, about PR in all its manifestations or about anything else? And so I decided to fulfill the request of many VO readers and write about revolvers. More precisely, about one revolver, which, again, I happened to hold in my hands and evaluate from the point of view of convenience and "applique". I got great pleasure from it and ... why not share it with others ?!

History this revolver is the best evidence that no man is only smart. Fate always measures out its portion of stupidity to him, and it always happens. That is, in some ways he is as wise as ... and in others - well, a fool! Here is Samuel Colt - the creator of the most popular revolver in the United States, who personally carved its model out of wood, who created the city of Coltsville - where women (!) Performed the work of smoky, muscular blacksmiths on the most modern machines, an excellent specialist in advertising and marketing, not realized the benefits of what was first offered to him by Rawling White in 1855, on April 3, who received a patent (patent number 12608) for a revolver with a through-hole drum. But he did not have money for the development of production, and he sold his development to Messrs Smith and Wesson. Less than a year later, they created the world's first revolver using this scheme: the Smith & Wesson Model 1, produced in 1857-1882.




Revolver "Military & Police" during the Second World War.

Meanwhile, Colt died, and his widow and… Mr. William Franklin, who was appointed by her company vice president in 1865, had to deal with the consequences of his short-sightedness. He tried to buy Rollin White's patent on a drum with end-to-end cameras from Smith and Wesson, arguing that its validity period was about to end, and they could make the same revolver. However, the remaining three years in the arms business until the end of the term of the patent is a long time. Therefore, he invited his engineer Friedrich Tyr to come up with something that would allow them to bypass White's patent and convert all the old blasting pistols into cartridge cartridges. As a result, it turned out a revolver, loaded with cartridges without rim from the front end of the drum. Alteration of existing samples seemed to be not difficult - only the drum itself was changing, and the firing pin for the primer was riveted on the trigger. Moreover, the drum didn’t have a through drill because the Tyur cartridges were inserted into its chambers with an effort from the front and were held in them due to friction between their walls and the bullet protruding from the sleeve. The revolver had a stopper of the hammer striker, thanks to which he could turn off and unload the revolver by successive pressing the trigger and striking the trigger on the drum. At the same time empty cartridges or unused cartridges were thrown forward from it.


Revolver "Smith & Wesson Model 1"

Why was this done? Because Smith and Wesson had previously bought a patent for the automatic ejector of Charles A. King, and no other company could use it at that time! So, as always happens in our life, just one wrong step set in motion a whole avalanche of circumstances that covered the firm of the widow of Colt literally with her head and almost became her grave. The military inertia of the military saved the company - the very name of the Colt was well known to them, and they agreed to remake revolvers at a cheap price, rather than pay more, even if for higher quality goods to no one particularly unknown manufacturers who supplied their products to ... distant Russia, where, as everyone knew, people drank vodka directly from a samovar, and bears were walking so straight through the streets ...

Smith & Wesson Military & Polis is a revolver without flaws.

Advertising of the civil models “Smith and Wesson” in the Russian press of the early twentieth century.

Meanwhile, the Smith & Wesson Model 1 is a 7-round .22 Short revolver, and the first commercially successful model to use a rimfire cartridge instead of a separate chamber loading, turned out to be truly revolutionary. weapons, though outwardly rather nondescript! The design feature, in addition to the through-drum, was also a barrel, folding up on a hinge, a removable drum and a single-action firing mechanism with an original nipple descent. By the way, it was discharged for quite a long time: it was necessary to beat out the spent cartridges from the drum, pushing it onto the extractor under the barrel! But if you had a second charged drum, then reloading it was a matter of a few seconds - the time for the Colt is unattainably fantastic!


Then the automatic King Extractor went into effect, and so the famous Smith and Wesson came into service with the Russian imperial army!

In 1876, American newspapers wrote that if the cavalrymen of General Custer's detachment were Smith and Wesson's revolvers, and not the primitive Colts Peacemakers (the White patent had already expired and so the Colt is a Peacemaker) , the defeat of the Little Big Horn just would not happen!


Revolver "Colt the Peacemaker", an artillery model.

It is clear that after such a reprimand, the US military took up their minds and began to look at this company with very different eyes!

Meanwhile, the "critical mass" of inventions, to which again no one paid attention, began to grow rapidly! So, in 1862, Daniel Moore took a patent and even released some revolvers, in which the barrel along with the magazine could be rotated left and right in such a way that the breech drum part was opened for one cartridge and, thus, rotating the drum, the revolver could recharge.


Moore's revolver

Bacon Hopkins, (1862, US pat. No. 35419) produced 300 revolvers .38 caliber with a six-fold folding drum, hexagonal barrel and nipple descent - a very modern design for that time.


A patent by W. Mason (1865, US pat. No. 51117) appeared, in which the axis of the drum was spring-loaded. At the end under the barrel was a wooden "cap", pulling which, this axis could be removed from its nest and fold the drum to the side for reloading. But none of the masters paid any attention to this innovation!


Finally, Levo, in 1873, patented a revolver with a flip-up drum and a pusher pin for alternately pushing the sleeves, here, apparently, the inertia of thinking affected. Well, without a pin ...

And then in France the Saint-Étienne 1892 revolver was built, and in it, now the regular revolver of the French army, the drum was finally made leaning to the right. Right, because it was more convenient for the cavalry! The drum extractor was manual and was on the axis of the drum! The revolver was running from 1893 to 1965 for a year and, despite all the complaints (for example, a small caliber and a weak bullet action were to blame), proved to be quite an effective weapon.


Outline of the Saint-Etienne revolver 1893 of the year.

So ... all that was left was to put it all together, sit down to think and make a "revolver without flaws." And the engineers of Smith and Wesson just made such a revolver - the story prepared everything for its creation, and back in 1900 there was a government order for an official 0.38 caliber revolver for the army and fleethowever, in the amount of only 2000 copies. The model received the designation “Armie-Navi,” but no other orders were first followed, as the war in the Philippines showed that the stopping action of a new revolver's bullet was worse than that of the New Service colt .45 (11,43 mm) caliber. But here the production of this revolver was supported by the fleet with its purchases. The naval officers liked him exactly: powerful enough, but not too heavy, but they rarely had to shoot him!


"Military & Police" with the drum unfolded. Front view.


Back view.


And this is how it looks when it is in hand.

But even more the new "Smithwesson" liked the American policemen. They were in service at that time was the Colt "New Police" arr. 1896 caliber .32 (7,65 mm). It was a light and handy weapon, but the stopping effect of its bullet was small. Larger caliber revolvers were heavy and cumbersome, but this one was just right. And the police began to order them along with the fleet, and orders are money, and money is the possibility of further improving the model. By 1905, it had been improved seven times! For example, in 1902 it was adapted for the stronger .38 Special cartridges. All this gave reason to rename the revolver, which just from 1905 became known as "Military & Police" (that is, "military police"), without specifying its "naval" origin. Finally, when in 1957 all Smithwessons were numbered, this revolver was given number 10. It is underneath that it is produced ... still!


Work as an extractor.

The design of the revolver is simple and therefore technically perfect. First of all, we emphasize that it has a closed frame and therefore is stronger than the same "turning" revolvers "Enfield". The drum for six rounds he leans to the left after pressing the latch button on the left side of the frame behind the drum, which is easy to do with your thumb. The trigger mechanism of a double-action revolver, with an open trigger and a drummer located on it. Sights are very simple: a semicircular front sight, made integral with the barrel, and the rear sight is a longitudinal groove on the upper part of the frame. The extraction of the sleeves is carried out by pressing the hand on the spring-loaded extractor rod - that is, you can not think of a simpler mechanism!


Comparative sizes of revolver and "Military & Police". As you can see, outwardly, they look almost the same in size. The Smithwesson has a slightly longer barrel and barrel, but that's where it ends.

During World War II, the revolver was first produced for the British armed forces under the designation "K-200" or ".38 / 200" (gran 200 bullet weight) 9,65-mm caliber, and they were released from 1940 to 1946, 890000 copies of the year! The “military and police model” was first produced with a blued coating, but during the war years it was no time for delicacies, so they switched to coating with phosphate coating, the cheeks of the handle became smooth without any brand emblems, and they attached an attachment for the belt to the bottom. These revolvers were supplied to all branches of the armed forces of the British Commonwealth, as well as guerrilla groups. Since 1941, Smith and Wesson began to supply the Military and Police Model revolvers and US forces. Revolvers of wartime received the name "Victory" ("Victory") because of the letter "V", facing serial numbers.


That's how it lies in the left-handed hand. Well seen brand name.

The Victory revolvers were produced with barrels four inches long (102 mm) and five inches long (127 mm), and for the US Army only six-inch barrels. True, the 45 caliber surpassed these revolvers in the stopping power of the bullet. But many military men, not to mention the police, did not need such deadly power!


And so - right handed.

In total, Smith & Wesson has produced over 6 million Military & Police revolvers and about one million Victory models. In addition, copies of them were produced in other countries, so it is simply impossible to accurately calculate how many of them were produced in total! Known revolvers with barrels 51, 102, 127, 152, 165 and 232 mm long - that is, for all occasions and for every taste. Calibers used in revolvers of this type: .38 Special, .38 Long Colt, .38 / 200. The weight of an unloaded revolver with a five-inch barrel is 880 g.

Purely personal impression of revolvers: by weight they are about equal, but for some reason our gun seems to be heavier. The “American” fits well in the hand, both in the left and in the right. His handle is definitely more convenient than Naganovsky. After the "shooting" of a pair of drums of a revolver, the author had a callus on his finger, well, and at the Smithson the descent is surprisingly easy. The drum rolls back very easily and the extractor works on it just as easily. In a word, with this revolver "to fight is easy and pleasant" (as far as it can be easy at all!), But I would advise the revolver to use my evil enemy!
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  1. +7
    10 February 2017 15: 43
    A worthy topic for an anniversary article. Although he knew everything about this revolver, he read it with interest anyway.
  2. avt
    +8
    10 February 2017 16: 08
    No . NO ! NOT-EE-ET !!!! Smith and Wesson SHOULD only break in half! And the drum should recline to the side only at Colt !!! bully
    Quote: Amurets
    A worthy topic for a jubilee article

    good I agree.
  3. jjj
    +8
    10 February 2017 16: 09
    At Nagan, a bullet is placed inside the sleeve. She herself is dull and light. When it enters the body, it begins to unfold like a bud, causing severe wounds. Much heavier than bullets fired from strong bullets.
    Now about the weapons company "Colt". Yes, they have failed. But it was for them that Browning released a line of self-loading pistols with the most legendary 1911 model. So, that “Colt” recouped in full and at the next stage of the development of arms business ahead of and declassified many competitors
  4. +6
    10 February 2017 16: 18
    Moreover, the drum did not have a through drill, since Tura cartridges were inserted into its chambers with an effort in front and held in them due to friction between their walls and a bullet protruding from the sleeve.

    A similar concept was implemented in parons for the Burnside carbine rifle patented in 1856
  5. +23
    10 February 2017 16: 18
    Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich! I was lucky to be the first to throw a few critical arrows at your anniversary article.
    Perhaps you hurried, accusing Colt of stupidity. Not so simple and a little different.
    White worked at the Colt factory. And once he came up with a proposal to make an improved revolver with the possibility of high-speed charging, where, among many other improvements, a drum drilled through was also mentioned. It should be noted that this was not about the use of unitary cartridges, which at that time were represented only by the products of Flaubert and Casimir Lefoche. The ignition system was not mentioned at all.
    At first, Colt gave his consent to the implementation of the idea, but the design was very complex, and it was not possible to create a working model. After a couple of years, the colonel's patience snapped, and White with all his papers and imperfections was put out of the factory. Only after that, Rollin wandered to the patent office to draw up papers on his failed invention.
    Moreover, having received a patent, Rollin White forgot his idea like a bad dream and began to successfully collaborate with various weapons manufacturers such as Sharps and Robbins & Laurence.
    And only in November 1856 a meeting of future partners took place. The most interesting thing is that at the time of this meeting, Smith and Wesson had a reputation for failure. Why, a little below. Most likely, White and Wesson knew each other and could meet at the Robbins & Laurence factory.
    As a result, the license to use the patent until the expiration of validity in 1872 for $ 500 goes to Smith and Wesson, who will pay White 25 cents for each revolver they produce. At the same time, as is customary today, it has been attributed in small handwriting that all the legal costs for protecting this patent will be borne by its author. As a result, White had to defend his rights more than 25 times, and litigation, including with Wesson and Smith, completely crippled him. After the patent expired, White filed a petition to the U.S. Congress to renew his rights, citing the fact that his earnings were only 71 dollars, while Smith and Wesson received over one million. But then-president Willis Grant vetoed Congress’s decision to extend the patent. He did this on the advice of one of his assistants, who lamented that because of such misery as White, the army of the northerners during the Civil War had not received much-needed weapons.
    And Smith and Wesson were considered losers because of the lawsuit lost ... Colt about the first Wesson-Leavitt revolver, which ended in the defeat and closure of the production. After that, Daniel and Horace created an enterprise for the production of unusual pistols, known to us under the name “Volcanic,” but the production went badly and they had to sell their business to a shirt seller named Oliver Winchester. That, in fact, was why Wesson and Smith had a reputation as losers by the time they met with White.
    Such is the story.
    And with the anniversary article of you!
    1. +7
      10 February 2017 17: 42
      You told an interesting story. I didn’t know her with such details. Thank you both for her and congratulations!
  6. +8
    10 February 2017 16: 31
    When it enters the body, it begins to unfold like a bud, causing severe wounds. Much heavier than bullets fired from strong bullets.

    Yeah :), the horse is knocking down, but the hamsters are tearing to pieces. In the original equipment, the Nagan cartridge has a bullet with a milchior shell, which, taking into account the "stunning" energy, does not deform in the soft tissues. In the 80s (if memory serves), in order to unify, the Nagant cartridge began to be equipped with a bullet from the cartridge 7.62x25.
    1. +2
      10 February 2017 18: 51
      In the 80s (if memory serves), in order to unify, the Nagant cartridge began to be equipped with a bullet from the cartridge 7.62x25.
      But was by then, the 80th years, the gun was not removed from service? belay At that time, PM and APS were already in service.
      1. +4
        10 February 2017 19: 16
        Remained in service with VOKhR, postal workers, Sberbank, etc.
      2. +5
        10 February 2017 19: 40
        But was by then, the 80th years, the gun was not removed from service?

        The question is very interesting, for example, in Belarus, Mosinka and Nagan were withdrawn from service at the end of 2005 - there is a suspicion that the USSR did not manage to do this before its collapse, and this concerns a large number of small arms and equipment. For example, the T-34-ku was officially withdrawn from service only in 1993.
  7. +9
    10 February 2017 16: 41
    Nagan, I would recommend using my evil enemy!

    I would not refuse
    1. AUL
      +1
      10 February 2017 20: 23
      But what kind of enemy did Nagan take into service with the Russian army under the tsar-priest? How was such a choice justified?
      1. +4
        10 February 2017 20: 41
        Quote from AUL
        How was such a choice justified?

        Terms of Reference from Count Witte. Nagan, by the way, also had no fools lip, 75 thousand. rubles for his revolver requested.
      2. +5
        10 February 2017 22: 02
        unification on the mosquito. decided not to dispose of the defective trunks from the Vitareza, but to cut it under the Naganovsky
        1. +2
          10 February 2017 22: 31
          Quote: The one who
          decided not to dispose of the defective trunks from the Vitareza, but to cut it under the Naganovsky

          - IMHO nonsense
          - and in general, what do you mean by “defective trunks”?
          1. +3
            10 February 2017 23: 54
            Well, it’s totally nonsense. The step and the number of rifling at the mosquito and the gun are the same (4 rifling with a pitch of 240 mm), probably for the production of trunks they used only blank forms (blanks).
            1. +3
              11 February 2017 00: 09
              Quote: BORMAN82
              ... probably only barrel blanks (blanks) were used for the production of trunks

              - about some unification of equipment for the production of trunks, I willingly believe
              - about "the use of defective rifle barrels for Nagan" I do not categorically believe
              - and therefore asked, "and what is a defective barrel"

              Quote: Mordvin 3
              And these are some curves. But what is wrong?

              - in-in-in good
              1. +2
                13 February 2017 11: 18
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - about "the use of defective rifle barrels for Nagan" I do not categorically believe
                - and therefore asked, "and what is a defective barrel"

                The first thing that comes to mind is a violation of the centering of the chamber relative to the barrel. If the divergence of the axes exceeds the norm, then either unsuccessful chamber to saw off, shortening the workpiece, or the barrel for remelting.
          2. +2
            11 February 2017 00: 01
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            defective trunks "understand?

            And these are some curves. But what is wrong?
          3. +2
            13 February 2017 20: 19
            partial rejection in production, when part of the barrel stock can be further used. So what is the nonsense here?
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      4. +3
        11 February 2017 00: 11
        Quote from AUL
        But what kind of enemy did Nagan take into service with the Russian army under the tsar-priest? How was such a choice justified?

        It seems to me banal bribes. We adjusted the requirements to the design of Leon Nagan.
        1. +2
          13 February 2017 11: 22
          I read it on Samizdat recently. Just in this view, the scan. Sokolov L.A. "Weapons tales: tales through the prism of Russian history. The first tale: Nagan." http://samlib.ru/s/sokolow_l_a/rujbayki1.shtml
  8. +5
    10 February 2017 16: 59
    After the "shooting" of a couple of reel drums, the author got a callus on his finger, well, and the "smithwesson" descent is surprisingly easy.
    The stiffness of the spring can be adjusted and then the descent can be made quite acceptable.
    1. +2
      10 February 2017 17: 31
      I don’t know if it’s possible to adjust the Nagan’s spring, well, I’m not a gunsmith, but he definitely thought up a recharge from the enemy. The same spring
      1. +4
        10 February 2017 19: 23
        I don’t know if it’s possible to adjust the Nagan’s spring, well, I’m not a gunsmith, but he definitely thought up a recharge from the enemy. The same spring

        The spring can be slightly filed, making one of the "feathers" thinner. The problem is that when cocking by self-cocking, friction of the slider moved by the slide is added to the spring compression force (especially noticeable when the revolver with a large shoot is the excavation of rubbing surfaces) - we get a fairly tight and long stroke of the trigger.
      2. +1
        10 February 2017 22: 26
        For God's sake, leave the spring alone, it is better to pay attention to the work of the dog at the moment of the end of the rotation of the drum and the approach of the beveled part of the slider to the breech head. It takes time to simultaneously touch the back of the dog with a slit in the frame, and press the slider on the breech head.
  9. cap
    +5
    10 February 2017 17: 36
    Thank you Vyacheslav for the article, and happy anniversary!
    What prompted me to comment was the story of 45 years ago. It was in the Caucasus.
    My neighbor in the dacha of my parents invited me to try a new grape variety. An old gray-haired pensioner, but he looks so strong such an old man. They talked. He told me about his studies, about his past. As it turned out, he served as a police officer in the NKVD at the station, before the war. My question about what they were armed with, I was surprised to hear about "Smith and Wesson." To my surprised question, why not He smiled at Nagan and answered, I also asked Nagan, "I didn’t like the trunk like that one," but said the code shot in a thick board, about 20 meters, and it smashed it into chips, changed my mind. He also said that there were no grooves in the trunk .It is interesting from which of the samples described by you he could shoot ?.
    Regards Kep hi
    1. +6
      10 February 2017 17: 53
      Most likely from ... a revolver of the sample of 1871, and of their entire line until 1895. The fact is that then all the army “smiths” were transferred to the police of the Russian Empire. And they served in it until ... 1917! Some in World War I were converted into rocket launchers. But ... what matters is that he says the trunk was long and smooth! There were no "smiths" with long and smooth trunks. This means that he got the old, shot revolver on the principle - "fish without fish and cancer." Probably preserved from the disarmament of the tsarist police in 17. And the fact that the board was smashed into chips confirms this. A lead bullet in an almost smooth barrel came out of it, rotating horizontally, and hit the board sideways. Hence the effect!
      1. cap
        +4
        10 February 2017 18: 07
        Quote: kalibr
        Most likely from ... a revolver of 1871, and of their entire line until 1895. The fact is that then all the army “smiths” were transferred to the police of the Russian Empire. And they served in it until ... 1917! Some in World War I were converted into rocket launchers. But ... what matters is that he says the trunk was long and smooth! There were no "smiths" with long and smooth trunks. This means that he got the old, shot revolver according to the principle - "fish without fish and cancer." Probably preserved from the disarmament of the tsarist police in 17. And the fact that the board was smashed into chips confirms this. A lead bullet in an almost smooth barrel came out of it, rotating horizontally, and hit the board sideways. Hence the effect!


        He definitely said this, but I forgot to finish writing. Thank you for the answer. I will look at the model in the book. I hope to continue to see you in the authors on the site hi
    2. +6
      10 February 2017 17: 58
      Judging by your story, it was a 4,2-linear (10,67 mm) Smith-Wesson revolver; III model (1871), Russian model. The article does not write about him.
      Improved revolvers of the Russian model were distinguished by the presence of a heel - a special protrusion in the upper part of the rear end of the handle, which did not allow the latter to move in the palm of the hand under the action of recoil, the sleeve extraction mechanism was also improved - the latch of the ejection device was introduced, which allowed the extractor to be turned off - it could be turned off by the shooter, which made it possible to remove the cartridges manually. In the original American revolvers, the ejection of cartridges or cartridges was carried out automatically when the revolver was opened, and if it was necessary to simply unload the weapon, the shooter had to either catch the ejected cartridges by hand or collect them from the ground.
      This weapon served in the Russian army from 1871 to 1895 until the adoption of the new 3-line revolver of the 1895 model of the Nagan system. However, the armament of the police, this revolver remained almost until 1917.
      1. cap
        +3
        10 February 2017 18: 15
        Quote: Medium
        Judging by your story, it was a 4,2-linear (10,67 mm) Smith-Wesson revolver; III model (1871), Russian model. The article does not write about him.


        kalibr
        Most likely from ... a revolver of the sample of 1871, and of their entire line until 1895.


        And thank you and good luck in all matters. In practice, you agreed. This is impressive, no doubt this is the same model. hi
        1. +5
          10 February 2017 18: 45
          The funny thing is that last year, when I went to the music school for my granddaughter, I saw some series on TV - a young Turk fell in love with a Cossack woman, with a word of passion. The beginning of the twentieth century! But I was struck by our policemen ... with gun holsters (empty!) On the back straps. Whereas with the policemen they were on the front left and with a yellow cord around his neck and it was not a gun, but "Smith and Wesson." Such a "movie"! I remembered the name "Janachar".
          1. +10
            10 February 2017 18: 55
            "The Last Janissary" is a creepy modern "soap", which was supposed to last 270 episodes.
            What historical authenticity is there, this is a “soap”. Well, at least not with AKM.
          2. cap
            +2
            10 February 2017 19: 04
            Quote: kalibr
            Whereas with the policemen they were on the front left and with a yellow cord around his neck and it was not a gun, but "Smith and Wesson." Such a "movie"! I remembered the name "Janachar".


            Lyapov with the military, starting with weapons and ending with uniforms (the list is long), began a long time ago, right after the savings went on for military advisers practicing in Soviet cinematography. Listing them is boring and long. It's a shame when this happens in good films in general. began to be neglected due to the fact that the general level of knowledge about the army, its history and traditions is falling. It is very pleasant that there are people like you and people like you who do not allow you to become "dense" and to replenish your intellect with the knowledge inherent in the profession of "man with a gun." Thanks again. hi
            1. +5
              10 February 2017 20: 48
              Well, the word "falls" that you used in this case is quite ambiguous. And remember the same Chapaev, where the Kappel men in the form of a Markov regiment go on the attack under the Kornilov banner? Then were still alive those who saw them from the trenches, and not just the "fathers-commanders", but "Only old men go into battle?" "Broken sky" - generally a pearl! "Makar the Pathfinder" - all these are films of the Soviet era. And all the time, "falls, falls, falls." In a strange society we live, right?
              But ... but ... about the pleasant! After all, my students are all Soviet “kin” watching - classics, and they are indicated on ... interesting points. And “Hot Days” and “The Fourth Periscope” and “Rich Bride”, “Ashes and Diamond”, “Roman and Francesca”, (see all the Novels and make a report) “Rafferty” and ... Immediately for comparison “Stagecoach” , Waterloo Bridge, Babette Goes to War, Apocalypse, We Were Soldiers, Season of Love, Seven Samurai ...
              So at least they get some idea of ​​the truth and fiction in the cinema from me, they learn to write reviews ...
              1. +3
                11 February 2017 01: 56
                I wonder how your students explain the discrepancy with the form of the Kappel people and the presence of an officer regiment in the film "Chapaev"?
                1. +2
                  11 February 2017 16: 55
                  I would say, but this is a long topic for a separate article. And she ... will be!
      2. +1
        12 February 2017 21: 37
        Reading your descriptions of the old Smith-Wesson, and its smooth barrel, I remembered another model of the revolver. In the 90s, several models of revolvers were developed for law enforcement agencies - mainly, under the PM cartridge. But there was a very interesting instance, OTs-20 "Gnome". The revolver was 5 rounds, three types of rounds - a lead bullet with a core, without it and a fraction. Caliber - 12,5 mm, used shortened cartridges from hunting rifles. Weight over a kilogram. It seems that they were released very few (about 200 pcs.), The quality was terrible. But in 1999, one of them was shown to us during the fire training, and we were allowed to turn it in our hands. Sensations .. non-standard. Either the "wild west", or a weapon for the Terminator.
        1. +2
          12 February 2017 21: 50
          "Gnome" is a child of the 90s. In them, he, in my opinion, remained. Developed at the Central Research Institute "Tochmash" based on OTs-11. It was also positioned as the armament of the police (then the police), but more than the private security structures that appeared then. Then the category of "farmer’s weapon" appeared.
          Ammunition based on a shortened sleeve of the 32nd caliber.
          The cartridge with a steel bullet - SC-110 - at a range of 25 meters pierces armor 4,5 mm thick. The speed of this bullet is 400 m / s.
          The cartridge with a lead bullet - SC-110-04 - has an increased stopping effect.
          A cartridge with a charge of fractions - SC-110-02 - is used in the absence of accurate data on the whereabouts of the offender (bushes, twilight, smoke, etc.), for a group purpose.
          By the way, the famous Igor Yakovlevich Stechkin also participated in the development.
          1. +1
            12 February 2017 21: 52
            Yes, I completely forgot to say that it is smooth-bore! It seems to be developed as a weapon of "high stopping power."
            As far as I understand, all Russian-made revolvers remained "in the 90s". At least I have never heard of their use. From TT - yes, I had to shoot at the shooting range, we trained on them, there were a lot of rounds, well, I already said that.
            1. +2
              12 February 2017 23: 01
              At the beginning of 1991, by order of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs, OCD was launched on the subject of “Strike”.
              It was planned to create a short-range melee weapon with ammunition of increased efficiency (with a large stopping effect) and increased versatility (with the possibility of using different types of ammunition, from "less deadly" to armor-piercing).
              Within the framework of this topic, several revolvers were developed, since the revolving scheme most of all meets the given requirements, however, not one revolver from the “Strike” theme has gained wide popularity.
            2. +3
              13 February 2017 11: 35
              Dwarf is not an ersatz. There was an even more primitive revolver called the Great Dane. He had a special marker in the barrel that scratched the bullet so that forensic investigators had the opportunity to immediately recognize which barrel was fired from. In general, with a smoothbore revolver, the idea is not bad because of the potential ability to use ammunition of a wide range. From traumatic to gas and light noise.
              1. +1
                13 February 2017 11: 42
                I can’t say anything about it, I just turned it in my hands, and examined the image stand, and did not ask for features. Spare cartridges were carried in a special bandoleer of 5 nests. That is, not obyumannoe equipment, as in revolvers under the PM cartridge. With such a cannon, only bears should be fired at the territory of the city by chance. Well, or knock out the locks.
                1. +1
                  13 February 2017 14: 31
                  Quote: Mikado
                  Spare cartridges were carried in a special bandoleer of 5 nests.

                  So the “Gnome" had at least an extractor. The "Dog" pulled out a drum, from which the liner was hammered out with a ramrod. To comply with the recharge time standards, it was assumed to wear spare equipped drums.
                  1. +2
                    13 February 2017 15: 00
                    when the “gun” was adopted, probably there were no standards for reloading. The most paradoxical reloading system; I suspect, because of it, many "happy assailants" lost their lives in frantic attempts to recharge "one at a time."
    3. +3
      10 February 2017 23: 35
      The stories of the war veterans should be treated more carefully. Sometimes they themselves do not know what they fought with, it can be affected by senile sclerosis and the fact that they were not gun fans.
      For example, we can say: Kalashnikov himself spoke to his veterans about his machine gun, and veterans said that they were a great machine gun, we beat the Germans only that way.
      Another case with one acquaintance, such as he served in the KGB and had Beretta. Where does Beretta come from? Maybe Stechkin? And the fact that the board is in chips, then the beam can be in chips, or a washer cut from a log.
      1. +4
        10 February 2017 23: 44
        Quote: Denimax
        The stories of the war veterans should be treated more carefully. Sometimes they themselves don’t know what they’ve fought for, senile sclerosis may affect it,

        Well, yes, damn it. We, I remember, have disagreements with one warrior: how many rounds of ammunition were in the PPSh? We decided to ask the grandfathers. They sit on a log, drink the infection, and answer - 71.
        1. +2
          10 February 2017 23: 59
          You were lucky, not the rear front soldiers but the most militant ones. By the way, the rifled barrel could be confused with a certain external thread, but the outside of the barrel is really smooth.))
          1. +2
            11 February 2017 00: 15
            Quote: Denimax
            not rear front soldiers

            We didn’t get caught, but we just had a drink together, and it’s interesting to listen to them. I regret that I did not remember my grandfather.
      2. +5
        11 February 2017 16: 57
        Our laboratory assistant tanker worked at our department. He fought ... talk about the T-34. "There are 34 people in the T-76-5, says 34 in the T-85-4 !!!" I brought him the TM magazine - well, remember, with the Historical Series. He looked and said: "Well, I fought on it!". My colleagues are already showing me - “be quiet”, otherwise the blow will be enough for the poor fellow. So I’ve been afraid of veterans ever since!
      3. +4
        12 February 2017 21: 39
        Another case with one acquaintance, such as he served in the KGB and had Beretta. Where does Beretta come from?

        Remember the movie "Diamond Arm" and the "psychological weapon" issued by the hero Nikulin? It’s a paradox, but it’s also a Beretta! After the war, there were a lot of things in the warehouses ..
        1. +2
          13 February 2017 13: 25
          I also noticed and was very surprised how and for what scumbag he was given this?
  10. +1
    10 February 2017 19: 58
    During the Second World War, the revolver was first produced for the British armed forces under the designation “K-200” or “.38 / 200” (weight of a bullet 200 grains) with a caliber of 9,65 mm, with 1940 copies being produced from 1946 to 890000 !

    In England, this revolver was chambered for the .38-200 British Mk I cartridge, which was analogous to the American .38 Smith & Wesson / .38 Colt New Police cartridge.
  11. +1
    10 February 2017 21: 56
    Smith has a soft descent due to the presence of a fuse; Nagan has a hard descent precisely because of the lack thereof.
  12. +3
    10 February 2017 22: 17
    It is a pity that there is nowhere to put the cons on the article. If afftor flux does not understand the revolvers, it would be better not to compare the wretched Amer crafts with Nagan. Only the hornhorn can, without knowing the material part, delight what is rightfully considered a Russian product. But because the Nagan is considered to be “Russian,” despite its Belgian roots, it is haut. If there is no mind to bring what trade threw to the shelves as "bluffs" and rubber boots to the mind, then there is no need to blame, so as not to reveal the poverty of the mind for the time being. And I tell you that the force at self-cocking is only 3.5 kg., And at the preliminary setting at the cocking-1.5 kg. And this despite the fact that my copy of the 22nd year of birth had a minimal fit, and then in that place, as for the dog in the gap of the frame. And with your much-praised Smith, Colt and similar consumer goods, letting down a hundred grams is easier, but the stopping action is identical, the cartridges are less in the drum, and the frame is more flimsy and in old models the misalignment of the drum chambers and the drum position lock gives you the possibility of guaranteed trauma to plating, or even bullet fragments, which Nagan will never have. And the effect of powder gases on exposed areas of the shooter's body has not been eliminated. Well this is to get to something - to compare the famous weapons with an ovish craft! I’m ashamed, comrades!
    1. +2
      11 February 2017 00: 17
      And I tell you that the self-cocking force is only 3.5 kg.,

      At specialized weapon forums, there are references to the effort when firing a self-cocking of about 10-12,5 kg. Probably not everything is so simple.
      1. +1
        11 February 2017 00: 53
        Do not believe all nonsense. I have a 10 kg dumbbell at home. And I don’t shake my fingers with it, even in my thoughts.))
        1. +1
          11 February 2017 10: 25
          This nonsense is not "worse than yours" - people had two guns on their hands, measurements with an electronic dynamometer showed the trigger pull: 10-12,5 kg for self-cocking and 5,5 kg for preliminary cocking.
          You know the saying: “An exception to the rule confirms the rule itself” - in this matter, both your and my example deserve to be the exception.
    2. +2
      11 February 2017 06: 30
      Here are just smithwesson is still produced, and on the Nagan everyone scored. The law of the market is the ratio of price and quality of the product, if the product has a low price and poor quality, it loses in a competitive dispute to a solid average.
    3. +3
      11 February 2017 23: 09
      Patriotism, of course, is a good thing. But it’s good to know the measure. The sample shown in the photo does not apply to "rubber boots", it is a museum sample, without any alterations.
      Quote: Alexey Garbuz
      and the frame is more flimsy and in old samples the misalignment of the drum chambers and the drum position lock gives you the opportunity to be guaranteed injured by plating, or even bullet fragments

      Something nowhere in any of the sources, either ours or foreign, is written about by anyone. They write about many of the shortcomings of many other systems, but ... not about this sample. There are probably reasons, right?
    4. +3
      12 February 2017 01: 06
      I had a chance to shoot from the Nagans when there was a mass surrender of them to the Ministry of Internal Affairs from various paramilitary structures. He shot both from the usual and from the so-called “security officer” (shortened barrel and hilt). It is really hard to shoot with a self-cocking (especially in comparison with Makarov or PSM). But with the preliminary cocking of the trigger, it’s a very accurate weapon. But it takes a long time to reload. Unfortunately, “Smith and Wesson” did not come across to me during the service;
    5. +2
      13 February 2017 12: 12
      Quote: Alexey Garbuz
      It's a shame, comrades!

      It should be a shame to those who pulled a sports revolver into the arsenal of the Russian army. Weapons of last chance, not having a normal reload. But it shoots accurately, you can show the class at the shooting range. However, the officers were often not led to this and purchased a more suitable weapon.
  13. +1
    10 February 2017 22: 22
    Indiana Jones seemed to have a similar, only breaks. )))
  14. +6
    10 February 2017 22: 51
    Quote: jjj
    At Nagan, a bullet is placed inside the sleeve. She herself is dull and light. When it enters the body, it begins to unfold like a bud, causing severe wounds. Much heavier than bullets fired from strong bullets.

    Ghm ... Is Nagan's bullet expansive? Something I did not hear about such bullets in the cartridges for Nagan. If my memory serves me right, then the bullet of the 7,62x38 live cartridge had a cupronickel or bimetallic shell and the thickness of this shell ranged from 0,57 mm to 0,83 mm. So there was no talk of any “deployment like a bud." In addition, the stopping effect of bullets in those days was evaluated by their penetrative ability. A Nagan bullet at 25 m pierced three pine inch boards installed at intervals of three inches between the boards, which is additional evidence in favor of the fact that the Nagan bullet had zero expansiveness.
    In fairness, I must say that there was still a special sports cartridge with a cylindrical lead bullet. But she was not expansive.
    1. 0
      11 February 2017 04: 26
      Quote: Glad
      In fairness, I must say that there was still a special sports cartridge with a cylindrical lead bullet. But she was not expansive.

      I agree with you. Here are all samples of cartridges and bullets for Nagan.
      http://diversant.h1.ru/guns/weapons/7-62nagan.htm
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      1. +4
        11 February 2017 10: 34


        1 - with a brass sleeve and a bullet with cupronickel shell of different years of manufacture;
        2 - with a brass sleeve and a bullet with a bimetallic shell;
        3 - with an iron sleeve coated with copper (issue 1934-1935);
        4 - Iron brass sleeve (highly corroded);
        5 - with a brass sleeve and a bullet with a bimetallic shell (post-war release);
        6 - with a pistol bullet with a steel core;
        7 - educational;
        9-split;
        10 - target;
        11 - reference;
        12 - with a reduced charge;
        13 - for a carbine (with a protruding bullet);
        14 - for Tokarev submachine gun;
        15 - for the Korovin submachine gun;
        16- alteration for firing from an American carbine M l;
        17 - idle (pre-war release);
        18 - single (made at the Mosfilm film studio ');
        19-target 'B-1' with a lead bullet;
        21 - production of SFM (France);
        22 - production of 'RA' (Romania);
        23 - production of 'RWS' (P.r mania);
        25 - 4 ELP. 1000;
        27 - idle on the basis of the sleeve 4 ELP. 1000 (made at the movie studio 'Mosfilm').

        Development checkers:
        8 - 7,62 mm revolving cartridge;
        20 - cartridge 'B-1',
        24 - blank shell and bullet shell (Russia, late XIX century.);
        26- cartridge 4 ELP. 1000.
        1. +2
          11 February 2017 14: 54
          Very interesting table, thanks. I recently met in a Facebook conversation the mention of another version of the cartridge, judging by the description, it was a combination of a 26 mm sleeve and a TT bullet, possibly fired from a small batch of stock inventory.
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  16. +1
    11 February 2017 01: 01
    Many hag Nagan, but from a tactical point of view, it can be very effective.
    If we assume that the commander should not be a little naughty (this is the work of his soldiers). If the commander makes a couple or three, four shots, then between pauses he can easily replenish the drum. And this is not possible with other revolver systems with a total drum ejection.
    1. +6
      11 February 2017 14: 48
      It’s not very easy to replenish the Nagan’s drum, it takes a lot of movements: shift it to the left hand, open the drum door, bring each fired cartridge to the window, take it out, replace it with a cartridge, and all this despite the fact that the fired cartridges are not very visually different from cartridges because of its design, but the situation on the battlefield changes continuously, and a full drum may be needed at any time, and in acute moments the commander may need to shoot a lot and often. It’s easier to shake everything together, throw off spent cartridges, add the missing cartridges and insert them all into the drum.
  17. +2
    11 February 2017 08: 15
    Happy anniversary article! Give 1000! drinks
    1. +1
      11 February 2017 17: 39
      1000 is already there, only if you count with other publications. Another 267 on Pravda.ru. + print media over the past three years. But of course, it’s better to count only on VO - more interesting. At this pace, it will take another two years. But there are many things, and life always throws new ones. There was one reader who asked about Assyria ... looked at the text of one of my books published in Germany, and there is ... So next week there will be about Assyria and its army.
  18. 0
    11 February 2017 12: 08
    Once without flaws then: Boom rearm?
  19. +3
    11 February 2017 22: 59
    Quote: Alexey Garbuz
    It is considered to be a Russian product.

    Created by a Belgian ... rightfully? What is this “right” called?
    1. 0
      14 February 2017 22: 04
      Russia bought a patent for the production of a revolver together with machine tools.
  20. 0
    3 July 2017 12: 21
    Killer thing!