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Project "ZZ". Will the Russians survive after a nuclear strike?

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One of the high-profile topics in the Western press was the discussion of the question of the survival of Russians and Chinese in a nuclear strike. The topic came, as they say, from the very top: the Strategic Command of the US Armed Forces and the office of the Director of National Intelligence together assess the ability of Moscow and Beijing to "survive a nuclear strike." In the meantime, the Institute of Cato sadly states: the “alternative” to the dialogue between the United States and the Russian Federation is “nuclear confrontation”.



Pentagon. Photo: David B. Gleason, CC BY-SA 2.0


US intelligence agencies and the Pentagon’s Strategic Command are working on a new assessment of the ability of the Russian and Chinese leadership to “survive the nuclear strike” and “continue to work,” reports «Bloomberg» with reference to the office of the Director of National Intelligence and the US Strategic Command.

A new study is being commissioned by Congress. The decision to hold it was made even before D. Trump took office as president. The program for assessing the nuclear "vitality" of the Russians and the Chinese was approved by both major US parties. Members of the Democratic and Republican parties "express deep concern" about China’s growing military ambitions and mistrust of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The publication reminds that Mr. Trump recently promised to "significantly strengthen and expand" the US nuclear potential. He also stated that he could make a “deal” with Putin: easing sanctions in exchange for a future reduction of nuclear arsenals.

Legislators want the National Intelligence and US Strategic Command (the one that does the planning, and in the event of war with nuclear strikes) assess the “possibilities” of the attack of two nuclear powers: Russia and China. Congressmen want to know how today the leadership of these two states is capable of surviving, controlling and commanding.

The report, which will appear in the near future, should include “the location and description of above-ground and underground structures that are important for the political and military leadership”, as well as “facilities” in which the “top leaders” are expected to work during the military crisis.

The strategic command is also required to provide a detailed description of the “survivability level” and ability to “command and control” the United States in the event of a war with Russia and China.

The request was initiated by Republican Michael Turner, a member of the Subcommittee on Strategic Forces of the Committee on Armed Forces of the House of Representatives.

“Our specialists are developing the corresponding report,” wrote naval captain Brooke DeWolt, a representative of the Strategic Command, to Bloomberg. He pointed out that it’s premature to talk about the details. Details will certainly be, but later.

President Trump also does not sit without a nuclear affair. Once again he “signaled” support for the idea of ​​modernizing the US nuclear arsenal. On Friday, in a special memorandum, he ordered Secretary of Defense James Mattis to do a new review of the state’s nuclear policy. Nuclear deterrence of the United States must meet the criteria of modernity, flexibility, readiness and must meet the threats of the 21st century.

Bloomberg further notes that the US government is planning (at least, proponents of arms control say so) that modernization of a trillion-dollar nuclear arsenals is coming. The money will be spent on improving the nuclear "triad". Such plans are not the actual plans of the new administration; They approved more Barack Obama.

Mr. Trump is obviously acting under Obama’s plans. The United States "must significantly strengthen and expand its nuclear capabilities," he said. He himself wrote about this at the end of December on Twitter. According to one TV presenter MSNBC, Trump also allegedly said in one telephone conversation: “Let there be an arms race. We will surpass them at every stage and survive them all! ”

Finally, it was Trump and his national security team who promised to “resist China” on a number of issues: from trade to territorial claims of the PRC in the South China Sea.

What does it mean? Is the clock ticking? Is Doomsday nearing?

Last week, recalls the publication, in the "Bulletin of nuclear scientists" reported an increase in nuclear risks. "Nuclear risk" is considered by experts as one of the main threats to the planet along with climate change. The world is on the verge of a nuclear catastrophe.

Michael Turner says the US “must understand how China and Russia intend to wage war, and how their leadership will command and control a potential conflict. This knowledge is crucial to our ability to contain threats. ” The Republican clarified that Russia and China “made significant efforts and invested significant funds” in order to understand how America can counteract their activities. Including Turner noted “interfering with communication opportunities concerning our leadership.” “We should not ignore the gaps in the existing understanding of the enemy’s key capabilities,” he added.

Franklin Miller, a former senior Pentagon official who served with seven different ministers of defense and the National Security Council (senior director of defense policy and arms control), said in an interview that the American strategy was intended to make it clear to potential leaders that they were “not can win a nuclear war. ”

The leaders of Russia and China are planning to use nuclear missiles controlled from command bunkers “buried deep underground or deep in the mountains,” said Bruce Blair, a research scientist at Princeton University who studies nuclear disarmament. As this expert believes, Mr. Turner's statement implies that the containment of Russians and Chinese "requires the presence of American strategic cruise missiles that can maneuver around the mountains and are capable of hitting bunkers from any angle."


Our beautiful planet. Photo: Julia Caesar


Oscar Jonsson, a visiting researcher at UC Berkeley and a Ph.D. candidate in the Department of Military Studies at King’s College London, leads "Foreign Policy" The "shocking" words of General Stanley McChrystal.

The general said about the possibility of war in Europe, and it is not about Ukraine. The war will begin "away from the ongoing conflict" in this country. According to the military, "European war is not at all unthinkable." People who want to think that war in Europe is impossible can get a “surprise”. The war is real, and this war will be with Russia.

The general idea in brief: increased activity "can lead to incidents and unintended escalation." The bottom line is that Russia already sees itself in a state of war with the West, although there is currently no open war. The economic sanctions imposed on Russia after the invasion of Ukraine are noted by the future doctor of science who is writing a dissertation on the relevant topic, are not perceived by Moscow as a “moderate response from the West.” Most likely, as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said, sanctions are viewed as an attempt to provoke a regime change in Russia. In addition, the Russian perception of such behavior of the West in the international arena “has a longer history". The regime in Russia is convinced that the West has mastered the technique of “color revolutions” and, wherever this meets geopolitical interests, it initiates a change of regimes. The methodology includes an information offensive, funding non-governmental organizations, the introduction of "special services", as well as diplomatic pressure - and all "in the name of democracy". The regime in the Kremlin, therefore, is convinced that the West is already at war, even though it is still using "non-military means."

Therefore, the war with the Russians is hardly “unthinkable.” If she really was unthinkable, why then all these current exercises and the transfer of military forces from the United States to Europe?

In the meantime, the Cato Institute identified the following “alternative” to the dialogue between Washington and Moscow: nuclear confrontation.

This was told by T. G. Carpenter on Institute website.

Ted Galen Carpenter is a senior defense and foreign policy researcher at the Cato Institute and a contributing editor for National Interest magazine. He is the author of a dozen books and 650 articles on the international situation.

In his material, he reveals the “simple reason” of why Russia and America are going “towards crisis”.

Tensions between the United States and Russia have sharply increased in the last months of B. Obama’s rule. The American forces with heavy technology were deployed in the eastern part of Poland, right on the border of this country with Russia. This decision provoked an angry rebuff from Moscow. "Reboot" irrevocably sunk into the past.

However, the truth is that tensions did not appear under Obama. The difficulties of bilateral relations have intensified over the past two decades, the author believes. Even in the first years after the end of the Cold War, that is, during the presidency of Boris Yeltsin, the White House did not have confidence in Russia. Should I talk about the times of Putin, Yeltsin's successor? Hence the expansion of NATO, the first “round” of which happened in the 1998 year (under Yeltsin, that is, long before US officials could point out Putin’s aggressive actions).

From the point of view of Washington, under Putin, Russia has become a "poorly disguised dictatorship with expansionist ambitions."

American officials believe that Moscow has committed a number of "serious crimes": the Crimea, Eastern Ukraine, the Republic of Georgia, and finally Syria, where the Russians supported the regime of Bashar al-Assad.

The list of Russian offenses is even longer. NATO intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo, several stages of NATO expansion, attempts to draw Georgia and Ukraine into NATO, US and EU intervention in Ukraine’s internal political affairs in 2014, which led to the Crimea joining the Russian Federation.

The policy on all of these issues reflects the conflicting approaches of the United States and Russia. Where American officials see their “nobility”, Russians find provocations and something worse.

According to the author, Moscow is more right in its claims than Washington in its own. In addition, the "fault of Moscow" is clearly exaggerated. Look at the others. Do US officials believe that Chinese affairs in the South China Sea, Turkish policy towards Iraq and Syria, or Saudi Arabia’s actions in Bahrain and Yemen do not imply a similar consideration?

The expert has some hope for the Trump administration. And if hope remains hope? If Trump does not restore relations with Russia, does not ease tensions, then there will be one alternative: a dangerous confrontation with Russia, which has “thousands of nuclear weapons».

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There are other materials in the Western press that discuss the topic of a possible nuclear war between Russia and the United States. It is not possible to highlight all of them within one review. However, even a small review shows how seriously the topic of nuclear catastrophe is perceived in reputable Western publications.

The buildup of nuclear weapons was and remains a dangerous path leading to the end of mankind. If two or three politicians, preoccupied with their ambitions, do not understand this simple truth, then once again we will remind them: one ridiculous incident or a monstrous mistake is enough, and a fatal catastrophe will lead the planet to a nuclear winter. Horrible machine gun war and tanksand yet humanity has survived a lot of such wars, small and large. But the war of missiles with nuclear warheads will be the last. Russian scientists are already offering take out the cultural values ​​of mankind on the moon, and their idea does not seem completely delusional.

Trump must have with his statements like “Let there be an arms race. We will surpass them at every stage and survive them all! ”I really want to manage the ruins of the United States out of the ground.

Like another Republican, Bush Jr., Mr. Trump, it's time to go to a psychiatrist. However, Bush could not be cured.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 1 February 2017 09: 26
    +28
    US Strategic Command and Office of the Director of National Intelligence jointly assess Moscow and Beijing’s ability to "survive a nuclear strike"

    Strange study, one-sided. Why not the NATO command to conduct a study on whether Europeans will survive in a nuclear conflict with the Russian Federation and China, or study the survival of the American population for nuclear attacks on Yellowstone or the use of Status-6.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 1 February 2017 09: 36
      +8
      or study the survival of the American population

      There is no reason to scare your own. Then they don’t understand why to arm themselves. But apparently they conducted such a study and came to a disappointing conclusion for themselves.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 1 February 2017 09: 42
        +11
        Quote: rotmistr60
        There is no reason to scare your own.

        Well, yes ... they vote with raised, surprised eyebrows. But why are we good?
        1. gg.na
          gg.na 1 February 2017 10: 23
          +4
          Quote: NEXUS
          -And why are we good?

          So for all the "good" and we will hammer! It would be if something bad would be hollowed without warning! wassat
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 1 February 2017 12: 11
            +4
            I remember there was such a series of Babylon - 9

            So in it, in the last, it seems, the series showed how the Earth after thousands of years of wars, contradictions, "reboots", etc., when everything was all right, a nuclear war broke out, which threw civilization into the Middle Ages.

            And only after some next round of development, did humanity achieve perfection.

            Probably, we have not yet completed all classes of the school, we will bicker and argue for every little thing for a long time, and more than once we will smash each other’s heads
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 1 February 2017 13: 19
              +2
              Quote: bulvas
              Probably, we have not yet completed all classes of the school, we will bicker and argue for every little thing for a long time, and more than once we will smash each other’s heads

              laughing And then there will be another civilization, who knows what else will come out of the ocean, will start from scratch and not the fact that the miserable remnants of humanity will be able to give them a worthy rebuff and generally survive.
            2. Asadullah
              Asadullah 1 February 2017 13: 52
              +5
              Probably, we have not yet completed all classes of the school, we will bicker and argue for every little thing for a long time, and more than once we will smash each other’s heads


              What do you want from an animal whom survival rules have taught to bite their own kind for a piece of bone. For ten thousand years of history, man did not increase wisdom, but only his greed. Dressed her in strange clothes, decorated her with sweet words and made him his god.
          2. The black
            The black 1 February 2017 20: 18
            +5
            Will Russians survive a nuclear strike?
            It is unlikely that our enemies will know about it ....
            1. Raindragon
              Raindragon 2 February 2017 21: 41
              +1
              And what if, by an absurd accident, the return blow doesn’t destroy everything? Those who leave for the bunkers will survive, and who is this? Officials) And there will be officials officials taunting with bundles of colored paper and bullion of yellow metal for the last sprout in this world
              1. KVIRTU
                KVIRTU 4 February 2017 14: 16
                0
                Do not exaggerate.

        2. andj61
          andj61 1 February 2017 14: 22
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          Trump must have with his statements like “Let there be an arms race. We will surpass them at every stage and survive them all! ”I really want to manage the ruins of the United States out of the ground.

          Yes, and their own - the time comes for adopting a budget - they are scared. Trump's statements and the statements of the Americans presented in the article are aimed at ensuring the approval of his team members in Congress and to calm the allies, who are still at a loss from his election. Then it’s necessary to recall Trump’s pre-election debates and statements: “We have nuclear weapons, but they are not used, and this is money thrown away. When I am elected, I will order the use of nuclear weapons against ISIS!”
          For ordinary Americans in the election campaign, the role of a shirt-guy will work, but for big-time politics - no!
          Trump must have with his statements like “Let there be an arms race. We will surpass them at every stage and survive them all! ”I really want to manage the ruins of the United States out of the ground.

          The author does not admit that Tram stated this for tactical purposes, that is, to solve current problems? And the tasks for the sake of the solution of which he made statements have already been solved ... Including, thanks to such statements. bully hi
        3. 11 black
          11 black 1 February 2017 17: 42
          +5
          How many times has this sobering picture been published - can it really be that some d-and-o-t really wants such a life. The feeling - as if the world had forgotten how terrible the war is, like Syria and especially Ukraine - is "somewhere there, far beyond the mountains."
          Think about it - the world once drowned in blood in the war of tanks and machine guns, and some strive to uncover the club of nuclear weapons, especially annoying that some of them are presidents.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 1 February 2017 22: 36
            +1
            Quote: 11 black
            Think it over people

            Why should we think better? Across the ocean, "change your mind" is not necessary?
            1. Raindragon
              Raindragon 2 February 2017 21: 45
              0
              The fundamentally wrong approach. All populations at 500 km from the earth's surface in both directions should be considered) And who does not want to, please leave the designated limits
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 2 February 2017 23: 03
                0
                Quote: RainDragon
                The fundamentally wrong approach. All populations at 500 km from the earth's surface in both directions should be considered)

                And all the same, the attacker should think better of it, and not the defender.
                Quote: RainDragon
                And who does not want to, we ask you to leave the designated limits

                Suitcase - Station - Mercury?
    2. Kent0001
      Kent0001 1 February 2017 09: 52
      +6
      I also thought about this, but along the way, the exceptional ones believe that the answer will not arrive, and plebeians like you and me will die. Not guys, such garbage will not work.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 1 February 2017 09: 56
        +10
        Quote: Kent0001
        I also thought about this, but along the way, the exceptional ones believe that the answer will not arrive, and plebeians like you and me will die. Not guys, such garbage will not work.

        And after all this, there are people who claim that we do not need Status-6 ... Well, I don’t know. Of course, inventing super smart missiles that can go through any missile defense system is much more fun, cheaper, and most importantly simpler than creating a torpedo robot that doesn’t need all this at a depth of a kilometer, because there’s no missile defense system, no interceptors, no adversary missiles.
        1. andj61
          andj61 1 February 2017 14: 27
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          Of course, inventing super smart missiles that can go through any missile defense system is much more fun, cheaper, and most importantly simpler than creating a torpedo robot that doesn’t need all this at a depth of a kilometer, because there’s no missile defense system, no interceptors, no adversary missiles.

          No, it will be so! We will force the USA to spend a lot of money on anti-torpedo (or anti-submarine after all? what - it’s too big a torpedo, it’s rather an unmanned submarine) the US defense, which will be no less costly than missile defense! bully hi
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 February 2017 21: 17
          +1
          This robot torpedo will sail to the US coast for a week after all the warheads hit their targets. And what is the practical sense in it? off the coast of the usa do.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 1 February 2017 21: 20
            +5
            Quote: Vadim237
            And what is its practical meaning?

            Well, you can send it in advance of such a robot ... it will lie down on the ground and wait for a command ... at the same time, there is still such an effect, let's call it, "Perimeter systems" ... that is, the adversary will know exactly what the answer is anyway will come.
            1. Raindragon
              Raindragon 2 February 2017 21: 48
              +1
              Well, only at first all that is scrap is empty for the benefit of science) To work safer and calmer
    3. Papapg
      Papapg 1 February 2017 09: 59
      +4
      They need to conduct research not on the topic of whether they will survive, but on the topic of how long their torment will last until death. And the question of whether their “demise” will not even be discussed.
      1. 97110
        97110 1 February 2017 15: 12
        +2
        Quote: Papapg
        not even worth discussing.

        Very worth it. We already believe that our red button is redder than theirs. The question is in the finger. Gorbachev and Yeltsin have already steered our great country with the red button in the world. A great miracle that they did not manage to sell the country. Or did you manage in time?
    4. Mwg
      Mwg 1 February 2017 10: 37
      +3
      Studies about whether Europeans and Americans will survive there are dangerous to publish, because the forecasts are disappointing ...
    5. victorsh
      victorsh 1 February 2017 10: 39
      +8
      I agree with you. You read on the sites the "considerations" of the former compatriots who have "blamed" and I am surprised. You will "fail, the West will survive." Naive! AND LIVING WILL BE TO ENVY DEAD (Strugatsky). I, MY WIFE AND SON KNOW what we will do (DON'T GIVE GOD) during the WAR. The daughter honestly don’t know where to send. But that’s not the point. This would think that they are waiting in shelters. Schaz !!!
    6. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 1 February 2017 11: 52
      +11
      Quote: NEXUS
      A strange study, one-sided ............
      Moreover, it is absolutely ridiculous, against the background of the fact that the United States, as one of the conditions for lifting sanctions from Russia, puts forward a proposal to reduce nuclear weapons. After such studies, this proposal will be rejected with the wording - "Go through the woods - Fools are dumb"))) The mattresses’ conviction that the war will be limited to the European continent is especially surprising, and they, provoking this war, will remain on the sidelines. Naive ...
      1. Sivasa
        Sivasa 1 February 2017 14: 19
        +3
        Uh, no. Russia is now considering the reduction of nuclear weapons ONLY in conjunction with missile defense and the reduction of precision, long-range non-nuclear weapons. The simple reduction in the number of charges was no longer discussed since the mid-2000s.
    7. MaksoMelan
      MaksoMelan 1 February 2017 12: 52
      +2
      And their command is not hiding in the mountains and bunkers? Run from the lawn?
      1. Raindragon
        Raindragon 2 February 2017 21: 51
        0
        In our realities, not command will hide, but command command - oligarchs, money bags, parliaments, parties, etc.
    8. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 February 2017 13: 44
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      or investigate the survival of the American population for a nuclear strike at Yellowstone or the use of Status-6

      here, even the question is not in physical survival, but in behavior in a critical situation.
      I remember when they had a "Katarina" in Orleans, it was niggas and Latinos staged pogroms
      that is, any situation with limited control and an explosion of banditry
      It is thought that if massive non-nuclear strikes against large cities are launched, this will provoke such an internal conflict that they will end all without external pressure.
      there is only one problem, in the states there are so many WMDs that it is better not to touch this adder
      1. Sivasa
        Sivasa 1 February 2017 14: 20
        +3
        We have the same way. As soon as the power functions of the state are weakened, an internal war of all against all will begin. Or rather, this will happen in any society.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 February 2017 15: 44
          +4
          Quote: Sivasa
          Or rather, this will happen in any society.

          not quite
    9. Asadullah
      Asadullah 1 February 2017 14: 08
      +2
      Strange study, one-sided.


      All such "research" should be considered in the dynamics of their appearance. Usually the most scandalous chips are displayed at the end of the fiscal year of one or another department, when it is necessary to close the money spent. And the voiced materials arise as a result of the weekly work of a bespectacled employee who attended a literary circle at school. By urgent assignment of management.
    10. Sivasa
      Sivasa 1 February 2017 14: 10
      0
      All of these studies "there" are regularly conducted or updated. Periodically, even something is published. They have no illusions regarding the reciprocal oncoming blow.
    11. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock 1 February 2017 16: 31
      +2
      the same thoughts come. They have their own land mine laid very not frail
    12. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya 2 February 2017 00: 24
      +1
      They will survive while the children of the Russian elite study and live in London, etc. I do not think that the elite will give such an order. Before writing about this topic in this vein, I recommend asking how many children and relatives of our leaders with real power live and study abroad. And then survive will not survive))
      1. Volzhanin
        Volzhanin 5 February 2017 06: 58
        0
        It will not save. The order will be given and executed by completely different people. If he gives the main command, all the kids and the loot will melt together with the tower and big ben.
    13. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 3 February 2017 13: 25
      0
      it’s very sad for the Americans to end all ... and for the Europeans, too, taking into account their territories ..... Russia, of course, will also suffer greatly, but we have vast territories and, most importantly, the Russian people, will withstand something that not one can do European homosexual
    14. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 5 February 2017 06: 55
      0
      Russians will definitely survive. Minimum 20%. All gavnato does not have enough funds to cover our entire territory. But the p-owls no chance!
      And every ocean island has a missile, so that the bourgeois do not even think that they will be able to sit out. Pound throughout the Anglo-Saxon patrimony to the full kirdyk. Rockets must be cut down like a hedgehog's needles, so that it wouldn’t seem to anyone.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 5 February 2017 09: 14
        0
        It will also be difficult for us to survive. In Siberia, villages, except that ...
    15. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 5 February 2017 09: 13
      0
      I’m afraid that Europeans will survive the worst of all ... The USA will not reach all the heavy launchers from the Iskander, Caliber and freefalling. Everything will fly to strategic points of Europe. There are also "simple" 206mm and 152mm artillery shells with JBF ....
  2. ImPerts
    ImPerts 1 February 2017 09: 48
    +1
    Sawing money, Bulk is not on them.
  3. erased
    erased 1 February 2017 09: 56
    +12
    Even in the case of a comprehensive discussion of reducing nuclear potential, one should take into account not only the forces of the Russian Federation and the USA, but also the forces of NATO, China and other countries of the "vigorous club". Otherwise there is nothing even to discuss. And leave statements like "China is not dangerous to us," "India is our friend," "North Korea will never hit the Russian Federation," to the Tolerasts. Russia does not have friends on Earth. There are Russian people, their army and navy. The rest are either temporary partners, or “not enemies”, or opponents. While the army and navy are strong, no one will want to start a war. Surrender to the forces - the Ambassador of Russia!
    1. 97110
      97110 1 February 2017 15: 43
      +4
      Quote: erased
      There are Russian people, their army and navy.

      And its owners. Or is it also a "people"? And all sorts of achedzhak Makarevich? Are they a people? No need to move the slogans, quote his greatness. It could have been truly great, only the "people" dedicated a verse to him about the chest of drawers, hippopotamus and revolutions. And the next greatness just shot. How to cope with responsibilities. Who rules the "people" with its army and navy? Who will manage tomorrow and next time? Will they cope with Mara during this time? Or dad won't give them?
      Quote: erased
      While the army and navy are strong, no one will want to start a war.
      Buying is both cheaper and easier. The bourgeoisie will abandon the idiotic policy of regime change - he is their native - and how much do you think should be given so that our masters want them again? You don’t have to give anything, our hosts already have everything. They need to not be taken away and allowed to be admitted to the court. This USSR was ideologically hostile. But the Russian Federation is the same bourgeois state. Our owners bargain for themselves better conditions - Trump's rights - will agree.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 1 February 2017 10: 03
    +3
    The regime in Russia is convinced that the West has mastered the technique of “color revolutions” well and, wherever it meets geopolitical interests, initiates a regime change. The methodology includes an informational offensive, financing of non-governmental organizations, the introduction of "special services", as well as diplomatic pressure - all in the name of democracy. The regime in the Kremlin, therefore, is convinced that the West is already at war, even though it is still using "non-military means."


    Before invading a country, the West usually begins with cliches such as regime, despot, dictatorship, etc.
    The Kremlin has already been assigned the first level of the PUTIN regime ... followed by a knurled operation which was carried out in relation to KADAFFI ... which, as a result, was wounded and shot by Western commandos before dying with a dagger.
    With us, this option will not work ... whoever is warned is armed.
    We will destroy the pro-Western attack aircraft with old proven methods ... the benefit of SYRIA provides an opportunity to practice.
    With wolves live on wolf howls.
  5. Senior manager
    Senior manager 1 February 2017 10: 07
    +3
    No need to look for chocolate in the hollow, and the logic in the verbiage of Amero’s leaders, Everything is subject to one desire - to own the whole world. But rightly said - a little pleasure to control a clay ball from under the ground. All the commanders in the FSA obviously have no people dear to their hearts, since they sincerely want to fry them in a nuclear stove. Hoopoes.
  6. private person
    private person 1 February 2017 10: 08
    +4
    And will they survive after receiving the answer? Here it is necessary to study, although America is so clear that it will go to the bottom of the Atlantic. Atlantis is bloody.
  7. vetor
    vetor 1 February 2017 10: 16
    +3
    We are not accustomed to "Burning Smolensk and the burning Reichstag." But will they stand it?
    1. Sivasa
      Sivasa 1 February 2017 14: 15
      +4
      The question is interesting. On the one hand there are more than 2 times as many. This is over the head. On the other hand, a significant part is concentrated in large cities. For most citizens, this is a sentence. With the third, our blow will have to be sprayed on their allies. With the fourth, it is completely unknown how our neighbors will behave when we also lose the population of more or less large cities. With the destruction of those in Siberia and the Far East, our population will practically not remain there.
  8. Maxim73
    Maxim73 1 February 2017 10: 27
    +14
    I remembered: And then the head of the Italian Communist Party, Palmiro Tolyatti, asked: “Comrade Mao Zedong! And how many Italians will remain as a result of the atomic war? ” Mao calmly replied: “Not at all. And why do you think that Italians are so important to humanity? ” wassat
  9. BOB044
    BOB044 1 February 2017 10: 27
    +3

    Project "ZZ". Will the Russians survive after a nuclear strike?
    And other countries will remain on patches of land. Scattering in the abyss of space. fool
  10. Mwg
    Mwg 1 February 2017 10: 39
    +3
    The Russians will survive with the Chinese, but at the expense of the Americans and Europeans they take great doubt. For too long and sincerely they have relied on the care of the state for their loved ones. Canned food in supermarkets will end and goodbye Western civilization: again they will begin to eat each other
  11. cap
    cap 1 February 2017 10: 39
    +2
    They will bring down through the economy, given the fact that everyone in this block has not yet been transplanted. An imaginary or real nuclear threat is the resources and finances that will be spent (some are known where), and then a 5th column is turned on shouting "this is what people have been brought to." The classic scheme.
  12. Tektor
    Tektor 1 February 2017 10: 52
    +2
    However, the truth is that tension did not appear under Obama. The difficulties of bilateral relations have intensified over the past two decades, the author believes. Even in the first years after the end of the Cold War, that is, the time of the presidency of Boris Yeltsin, The White House did not have confidence in Russia.
    Well, here’s the answer about the reasons why military tension is growing: if one of the parties wants to freeze, bury the ax of war, and the second does not agree to this, then what remains to the first side? And what will it all lead to? It’s obvious to everyone. Well, that's what led. Clinton and the gang around him are to blame.
  13. FREGATEN
    FREGATEN 1 February 2017 10: 57
    +10
    Will Russia and China survive the nuclear attack, the United States will no longer be interested ................ because there will be no one interested in ..
  14. Oznob
    Oznob 1 February 2017 11: 12
    +3
    The nuclear chatter from the side of the bourgeoisie is the media preparation for a grandiose cut. Capital does not gain anything from badabum; $ earn on ordinary wars. In our case, the nuclear potential is the key to survival, like the needles of a hedgehog. They are us and the whole planet in ruins.
    brush
    1. 97110
      97110 1 February 2017 15: 50
      0
      Quote: Oznob
      They us

      Who are we? Why break our teeth about us - dentistry is a horror how expensive. They will buy our owners. Trump is not in vain believes that they will agree. Ravens do not peck out each other's eyes. I know that "raven", but it’s painfully beautiful bird. Let there be a crow.
      1. Oznob
        Oznob 3 February 2017 15: 02
        0
        Who is your master, 97110?
        1. 97110
          97110 3 February 2017 16: 22
          0
          Quote: Oznob
          Who is your master, 97110?

          Already nobody. He did not justify his trust, felt independence along with his pension. Formerly dismissed with the phrase "by the decision of the owners."
          1. Oznob
            Oznob 3 February 2017 16: 49
            0
            Julia, you had no master, and I didn’t, and don’t.
  15. NordUral
    NordUral 1 February 2017 11: 16
    +2
    So before the massive jumps from the upper floors of skyscrapers, you can play out, gentlemen. When you know that you are constantly lying, then consciousness may not stand it.
  16. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 1 February 2017 11: 17
    +1
    Trump is a businessman. He is going to agree with us on some issues. In order to bargain maximum, it is necessary to make the negotiating position stronger. So he is working to strengthen his position. They show us what will happen if we fail to come to an agreement.
    With Obama and his loonies there was nothing to talk about at all. They swim in some strange glitches, and at that time dexterous guys write out billions of dollars for themselves, such as to execute programs for these same glitches. You can negotiate with Trump.
    But for each concession to us, he demands a maximum from us. How much will it turn out! There will be no freebies ...
    1. 97110
      97110 1 February 2017 15: 53
      0
      Quote: Mikhail3
      He is going to agree with us.

      This is pride in you. Or do you really influence decision making in Russia so much? I mean that without us agree. We will be brought to the part concerning ...
  17. Berg berg
    Berg berg 1 February 2017 11: 31
    +4
    The question is not posed correctly! But will America and NATO countries withstand an instant retaliatory nuclear strike !? And all the countries of the NATO coalition will receive it at once - instantly!
  18. Proton
    Proton 1 February 2017 12: 01
    +4
    Yes, all this is hysteria about the use of nuclear weapons, you can read articles of the 60-70s in any press that is ours, that of the western one, everything is the same as now. And relations between the countries are the same as 60 years ago, so nothing new. who doesn’t believe it, look through at least the same crocodile magazine 50 years ago laughing caricatures, as if under our day,
  19. Indifferent
    Indifferent 1 February 2017 12: 05
    +3
    The article reminded me very much of something from the newspaper Pravda from the time of 1964. A lot of words about anything !!!
    So where are the country's survival criteria? Territory, relief, civil defense capabilities. Finally, the military potential of missile defense and air defense and the means of electronic warfare. There is nothing but empty and monotonous words. From the series "One Woman Saying."
    1. WarriorWolf
      WarriorWolf 1 February 2017 13: 24
      +5
      The point is that the destruction of the country's leadership after a nuclear strike ... They do not take into account that we are Russians, and many have not considered those in the Kremlin as their leadership and part of the Russian Federation in general. And that in any case, the Zhukovs, Stalins, Vatutins, Konevs, Bagration, Minins and Pozharsky will come again from the people, and they will give out to all the lyuli)))
  20. Machete
    Machete 1 February 2017 12: 45
    +4
    Europe, due to its large population and small territory, together with a complete inability to defend itself against nuclear weapons, will die out completely. It will be better with amers, but as a country they will no longer be.
  21. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 1 February 2017 12: 50
    +1
    I propose to start financing and create, if not (under Trump’s subsidiary agreement) a Mexico accession movement to the United States. Catch up with refugees. Different rumors on letting go in mexico.
  22. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 1 February 2017 12: 58
    0
    It is necessary to leave space.
  23. VLAD_2
    VLAD_2 1 February 2017 13: 15
    0
    kill everyone, it’s easier for the Jews
  24. Jarilo
    Jarilo 1 February 2017 13: 20
    +3
    And what difference do they survive or not? They, in fact, should be interested in another question - whether they will survive. Or have they already decided this question? I doubt it. They cannot know all our secrets / bookmarks. So the question / task is posed incorrectly, the result will be zero, i.e. Another cut of money.
  25. WarriorWolf
    WarriorWolf 1 February 2017 13: 20
    +3
    Quote: bulvas
    I remember there was such a series of Babylon - 9

    Babylon V, a fantastic series, but there is a war with an external enemy, the creators just tried to show that people should be united, albeit of different faiths and nationalities, that is, without global universal assimilation and genocide ...
  26. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 1 February 2017 13: 34
    +2
    Damn well straight Metro 2033 fellow And they did not think that China, together with them, would deliver a nuclear strike against the United States. laughing
  27. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 1 February 2017 13: 40
    +4
    the Soviet generation is likely to survive, the modern is not sure
  28. CONTROL
    CONTROL 1 February 2017 13: 40
    +6
    I recalled the “childish” “timeless” joke:
    50 years after his death, Obama served himself a ticket to Earth in hell - for a day, to live, to look there ...
    Wandering around Washington: everywhere cleanliness, order, people well-fed, happy and cheerful ... Good! Not in vain, therefore, when he was in the presidents - he tried!
    I went to the McDonald's - or the pub there - to speak with the bartender "for life."
    “And all is well,” says the bartender. “The whole planet is under us!” Peace, quietness and smoothness - beauty!
    - And how are people?
    - And people are happy - there is work, there is money, life has been established!
    - And with the products there, with consumer goods - clothes, cars? ...
    - The same order! The prices are reasonable ...
    - Well, then - a mug of beer, and a burger! How much do I have to pay?
    - One and a half rubles.

    ... I say - a children's joke!
  29. neoshef
    neoshef 1 February 2017 13: 41
    +7
    There is such an old joke. When the Russian was asked: "Who will win the war"? He did not hesitate to answer: "Of course we are!" And why? But because we have nothing to lose ...
  30. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 1 February 2017 13: 52
    +5
    Oh, annoyance! Oh, an ambush!
    While reading this nonsense, I thought of only one thing - our leaders are happy to seize the opportunity to deploy additional programs. Under the brand of the threat of "nuclear war-winter" they will knock out additional budgets and budgets for the Civil Defense. to perfect this or that. To create the next "long-term storage" of carrots, condensed milk. Digging bins and other silos. On a centimeter of an unfinished bunker it will be possible to steal well. Something, tanning salons, for example. etc. etc.
    These "researchers" fulfill the order there. For them it is paid. And they are well aware of what and how to file in the reports so that the money is dribbled with a vengeance. Or quadruple, China is also fastened there.
    But ours have not yet entered full force. But they will drive.
    Or have already moved in - once such publications begin.
    At one time, Americans foolishly dug bins for themselves. Firms that were digging, rose well.
    We, in the Union, just holes in our belts. And the figures were class, without any fitness.
    Another round has gone. Only without the Union. And nothing has changed.
    And what have we achieved as a result?
    How annoying.
  31. Knowing
    Knowing 1 February 2017 13: 54
    +4
    Since I’m not going to gayEC countries, let alone “for a puddle”, I can allow anyone who can pass them on to those “researchers” ..
  32. zoolu300
    zoolu300 1 February 2017 14: 29
    +4
    Of course, all this nuclear crap in the spirit of "a la Reagan." The owners of the Fed are not to lose their ABSOLUTE POWER over the planet, because in the post-nuclear world "green paper" is just paper, and not the purpose and meaning of life for the majority. Clans of Fed owners supporting Trump decided to crush the PRC, according to a successfully worked out methodology for the USSR - an arms race and creating crises in the economy, shouting about observance of "human rights" (sub-bed geeks) and their financing, because a machine for printing "green paper" for those who it will pay with resources (RF, South America and other dollar countries) from them. The KPC leadership will be able to create its own financial center, will not bend under the Fed owners, create an alternative system of world views, arrange crises in the centers of the "western" civilization - it will win. If not, it will be VERY BAD.
  33. Pasha
    Pasha 1 February 2017 18: 03
    +8
    A couple of questions to Western experts:
    1. Why, considering "whether Russia will survive," you do not consider, but will YOU have time to strike, first. It’s not difficult to calculate your actions to GRU for employees, + a constant leak.
    2. .... let's say! Count the "loss" of the population of countries along the western and southern borders of the Russian Federation. Doesn't bother? Take it further, a cloud of radioactive elements, will go around the planet a couple of times, infecting anything and everything.
    3. Are you absolutely not afraid of GOD? Then we go to you. soldier

    and finally. What do you think, will the Russian have a desire to leave someone alive if, for several centuries, they did not destroy you but simply drove them away from their borders, at the cost of many millions of our lives.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 February 2017 00: 11
      +1
      "A cloud of radioactive elements will go around the planet a couple of times, infecting anything and everything." 90% of the decay products will remain in the territory where the warheads will explode, in the form of a radioactive trail, the rest will be distributed, over the entire area of ​​the globe, by air currents and will fall together with precipitation.
  34. Altona
    Altona 1 February 2017 18: 03
    +2
    Quote: NEXUS
    Strange study, one-sided. Why not the NATO command to conduct a study on whether Europeans will survive in a nuclear conflict with the Russian Federation and China, or study the survival of the American population for nuclear attacks on Yellowstone or the use of Status-6.

    ----------------------------
    And to them the arctic fox in any situation. They have more sore spots there - we can cause an earthquake, tsunami, acid rain for them, fill them with nuclear ash on any perimeter. To hell with him, with the surface fleet, we can slap "status-6" (nuclear submarine drones) and implement the doctrine of Sakharov (of the same) in all its glory.
  35. Kibl
    Kibl 1 February 2017 18: 04
    +4
    But Americans will survive? When several years ago there was a blackout in the state of California, the level of suicide, panic of the universal scale, confusion on the verge of madness immediately jumped up! Local authorities simply did their trousers. The same story with Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans did not last five days they could deliver fresh water and it was just a powerful hurricane. And you are talking about a nuclear war, but everyone will have a complete ambition!
  36. Altona
    Altona 1 February 2017 18: 07
    +2
    Quote: zoolu300
    ABSOLUTE POWER over the planet, because in the post-nuclear world, "green paper" is just paper, and not the purpose and meaning of life for the majority.

    ------------------------------
    Money is now atavism, at least some, electronic or paper. Nothing prevents now to introduce the ELECTRONIC INTERNATIONAL EQUIVALENT EXCHANGE Unit and spit on all these candy wrappers from the big bell tower. For example, in Cambodia, you can hardly manage to spend a dollar a month, and in the USA it’s a penny.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 February 2017 19: 14
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Money is now atavism

      yeah? !!!!!!!!!
      tell how to live without them
  37. Archon
    Archon 1 February 2017 18: 13
    0
    will survive. just not all.
    if you imagine that this did happen, then most cities will survive, and for many, nothing will change after the strike. some of our areas are so distant from the center that they feel abandoned, ownerless.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 February 2017 21: 25
      0
      In these cities there will be more than one radioactive trail - within a few years, nature itself will clear itself of decay products.
      1. Archon
        Archon 3 February 2017 16: 24
        0
        it is not as dangerous as it seems.
        Yes, there will be frequent cases of cancer, fetal mutations and other negative effects, but in general everything will be fine, our people have survived the three world wars, the revolution and the nineties.
  38. Altona
    Altona 1 February 2017 20: 46
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    yeah? !!!!!!!!!
    tell how to live without them

    ----------------------
    Have you studied economics? I said that you can introduce universal common electronic money, without speculation and any clearing operations ...
  39. Analyst
    Analyst 1 February 2017 21: 56
    0
    I immediately remember the song: "Do the Russians want war?"
  40. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 1 February 2017 22: 13
    +5
    The chief of the military academy of the General Staff gave a lecture on potential problems and military strategy. At the end of the lecture, he asked if there were any questions.
    One of the officers got up and asked:
    - Will there be a third world war?
    “Yes,” the general replied.
    - Will Russia take part in it?
    “Yes,” the general answered again.
    Another officer asked:
    - Who will be our enemy?
    The general thought and said:
    - Everything indicates that this will be China.
    In the audience everyone was shocked.
    The third officer added:
    “General, but we have only 150 million people, compared with one and a half billion Chinese.” Do we have a chance to win, and indeed to survive?
    The general walked from side to side and said:
    - In modern warfare, not the number of soldiers determines victory, but the quality and ability to use army capabilities. For example, in the Middle East, we relatively recently witnessed several wars, where 5 million Jews fought against 150 million Arabs, and Israel always won.
    After a short pause, another officer sitting in the back rows asked:
    “Do we have enough Jews?”
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 1 February 2017 22: 40
      +1
      Everyone who ever tried Russian pi..lei, very cautiously speak out about the war with Russia. In the sense that this is complete madness and adventure. The Chinese tasted this magical dish and they didn’t like it very much. So, maybe in a year fifty.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 2 February 2017 00: 36
      +3
      Quote: Captain Nemo
      - Everything indicates that this will be China.

      You know, I’m not a fan of watching REN-TV, but more recently, I came across such a film about the Slavs and their history. It may be stupid, but in this film it turns out that we have already fought with the Great Dragon ... and won ...

      There is a lot of fantastic and uncomprehensible in this film, but there are facts ...
  41. shinobi
    shinobi 1 February 2017 22: 32
    +1
    Old songs are about the main thing. The result is also known for a long time. If they could, then for a long time and more than once. Our missiles are better, more powerful and more accurate. From Siberia and the Urals they will have time to start before approaching to their love.
    1. Archon
      Archon 3 February 2017 16: 30
      0
      only biological weapons can deal with large human masses
  42. tag17
    tag17 1 February 2017 22: 34
    +1
    If the planet is not split into pieces, life will be reborn again and perhaps something more reasonable will come to replace humanity.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 February 2017 00: 04
      0
      Mankind will not go anywhere — one can already say for sure that a nuclear war will not destroy it even a tenth.
      1. Dali
        Dali 3 February 2017 22: 51
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Mankind will not go anywhere — one can already say for sure that a nuclear war will not destroy it even a tenth.


        Those. in your opinion, nuclear scientists lie when they say that today there are so many nuclear weapons that all living things on earth can be destroyed more than a dozen times ... and even if only twice - does that make a big difference ?!

        According to this, gr.Vadim237, your calculations in the studio - except as a provocative chatter, your statements can not be evaluated !!!
  43. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 1 February 2017 22: 53
    0
    Maniacs, some
  44. jonht
    jonht 2 February 2017 03: 23
    +1
    We also had research on how to survive .... And as far as I remember, we came to the conclusion that in order to turn our entire territory into a nuclear wasteland, there would not be enough charges, but up to 75-85% of the territory would be infected by wind. Data on the density of infection was taken from the Chernobyl accident. The main thing is to survive climate change, and this is about 10-25 years of all kinds of shocks (earthquakes, hurricanes, acid and other precipitation, temperature anomalies), and only then can the restoration of the environment begin (they did not write about life sad ).
    1. Dali
      Dali 3 February 2017 23: 01
      0
      Quote: jonht
      And as far as I remember, I came to the conclusion that in order to turn our entire territory into a nuclear wasteland

      And you mean, to some extent, agree with
      Quote: Vadim237
      Mankind will not go anywhere — one can already say for sure that a nuclear war will not destroy it even a tenth.

      Those. in your opinion, nuclear scientists lie when they say that today there are so many nuclear weapons that all living things on earth can be destroyed more than a dozen times ... and even if only twice - does that make a big difference ?!

      I don’t know, of course, whether Vdim237 will provide its calculations ... but maybe at least you give the sources of your information ...

      Or maybe you, along with Vadim 237 and Archon, decided to discover the truth ... belay
  45. Baursak
    Baursak 2 February 2017 09: 22
    +1
    Some kind of strange study. As if playing war game. As if there is no thermonuclear weapon in the world. And there are no nuclear arsenals for a TEN times destruction of mankind. And they did not hear about the thermonuclear explosion of not the most powerful bomb on Novaya Zemlya.
    There will be no local atomic conflict, no one will be able to sit out in bunkers in the event of a nuclear war, even if the USA or Russia, the main holders of nuclear weapons, do not start such a war ..
    In light of this, I do not see much point in the mutual (US and Russia) reduction of nuclear weapons. What is the difference - the main holders of nuclear weapons will be able to mutually destroy ten times or six times - the result is one.
    Yes and mutual reduction
    1. Baursak
      Baursak 2 February 2017 09: 24
      +1
      Such a mutual reduction does not make sense without involving other countries that have nuclear weapons.
  46. Forever so
    Forever so 2 February 2017 16: 48
    +2
    That's the haste. After all, Dmitry Anatolyevich said that all the rascians will live in 12 supercities. consider that it will be easier to defend against a nuclear strike. Smart people think that Dmitry Anatolyevich is following America’s instructions on the destruction of Russian civilization.
  47. free
    free 2 February 2017 19: 25
    0
    Can the Paskuda west survive?
  48. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 2 February 2017 21: 16
    +1
    Not only they will survive, but they will also bury the one who arranged the Exterminatus, answering the Exterminatus in Russian! bully am
  49. twincam
    twincam 3 February 2017 09: 46
    0
    I watched this topic on an old video in YouTube (like 2014).
    "what will happen if Russia starts a war with the United States."
    look, you will not regret it.
    a video in the style of an old computer game, but it seems relevant to me.

    1. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 3 February 2017 13: 20
      0
      This is not a game-style movie, this is the game - Defcon. Just shown the gameplay. Of course, in games there can be an opposite outcome, this is only a game. How old she is - judge for yourself: 2006 of the year she is. If the 2014 movie is old, then the game is probably ancient.
    2. Archon
      Archon 3 February 2017 16: 38
      0


      http://small-games.info/?go=game&c=13&i=7
      99


      this little toy is really curious and enough for a couple of hours
  50. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 3 February 2017 13: 35
    +1
    Did not wait. am USA after checking the survival of Russia after a nuclear strike.

    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 5 February 2017 09: 18
      0
      The building will not remain .... total above 20m will not. and in Washington most likely more than one NSC will fly ... the glazed plain will remain.