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In the Ukrainian defense industrial complex plan to establish the production of infantry fighting vehicles on the platform "Oplota"

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Ukrainian defense industry can begin production of heavy infantry fighting vehicles, developed on the basis of tank "Hold", reports Military Informant with reference to the Defense Blog.

It is known that the project of a promising combat vehicle has the working title “Berserk” (in ancient German mythology, an invincible and insensitive warrior who fought with wild frantic power).

“The Berserk heavy infantry fighting vehicle is designed on the basis of the Oplot main battle tank platform, which seems to be a very good solution for unifying the fleet of combat vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the future,” the material says.

BMP will have additional side armor and nose armor. In addition, according to the resource, the bottom of the combat vehicle will be enhanced with additional mine protection.

It is reported that "Berserk" will equip "absolutely new security systems:

- multi-layer combined stationary armor with elements of composite materials;

- dynamic armor;

- active protection complexes ".


Thanks to the new surveillance and reconnaissance system, the crew will have an 360-degree view of the battlefield.

In the Ukrainian defense industrial complex plan to establish the production of infantry fighting vehicles on the platform "Oplota"
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  1. Voyager
    Voyager 30 January 2017 14: 10
    +9
    From bones, it may even collect a couple of prototypes, like strongholds, but for what money are you planning to produce?

    Already even names are assigned to the technique pathetic in a Western manner))
    1. hirurg
      hirurg 30 January 2017 14: 11
      +17
      We have already seen Tirex! And now Ber.ser. horror!)))
      1. 210ox
        210ox 30 January 2017 14: 19
        +11
        So in a graphical editor anything is drawn. Although the "Death Star" is with Lucas .. The Taiwanese computer to help you, the creators of the armored armada dill ... fool
        Quote: hirurg
        We have already seen Tirex! And now Ber.ser. horror!)))
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 30 January 2017 14: 29
          +8
          The skakuasas are waiting for the next tranche in February, and then they have stepped up - all of a sudden, they will beg for this prodigy and cut it. Naive Greatsales ...
        2. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 30 January 2017 15: 11
          +4
          the crew will have a 360-degree view of the battlefield.
          Will they install a Thai intercom again, or will they drill a door around the perimeter to save money ???
          1. Dekabrist
            Dekabrist 30 January 2017 15: 23
            +2
            Or left shoulder blades in a rocket engine so that the carrier falls, or Chinese radios under the guise of domestic ones. As they say, in a strange eye ...
            1. Rostov Papa
              Rostov Papa 30 January 2017 16: 36
              +4
              As they say, in a strange eye ...
              What is this for? It seems that we are not discussing shovels and walkie-talkies, but the next color pictures and wet dreams of wimps ....
            2. Monarchist
              Monarchist 30 January 2017 17: 09
              +2
              Decembrist,. You want to say that "cutting the defense budget" is only in Russia, and you are all white and fluffy? It’s our volunteers who accuse the defense of theft, did the notorious clown Mishiko consider the Martian government to be calls?
            3. 33 Watcher
              33 Watcher 30 January 2017 17: 32
              +6
              Quote: Dekabrist
              Or left shoulder blades in a rocket engine so that the carrier falls, or Chinese radios under the guise of domestic ones. As they say, in a strange eye ...

              What are the blades in the ROCKET engine? request Your media found them there?
              "I heard a ring, but I don’t know where he is," this is about you. wink
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 31 January 2017 23: 18
                0
                Quote: Observer 33
                What are the blades in the ROCKET engine?

                How is that? And how to rake the space ether? Nowhere without shovels in space!
            4. NEXUS
              NEXUS 30 January 2017 18: 14
              +6
              Quote: Dekabrist
              Or left shoulder blades in a rocket engine so that the carrier falls, or Chinese radios under the guise of domestic ones. As they say, in a strange eye ...

              Dear, are you tired of it? All these developments and purchases of mattress war junk for what, ask yourself a question? To kill people who once, like you, considered themselves Ukrainians. We will deal with our Protons, but how will you deal with your history? How then, when they throw off the junta and you, about a miracle, see clearly, will look into the eyes of these people in the Donbass?
              Those who make this weapon in Ukraine are developing it, the same criminals as those who are now ironing Donbass Gradami, beating from self-propelled guns and cannons ...
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 31 January 2017 05: 07
                +2
                They don’t do anything in Ukraine, at the very least they redo something for the worse. The key phrase in the article, according to which everything is clear
                Ukrainian defense industry may begin production
                Already funny.
        3. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 30 January 2017 18: 08
          +5
          Quote: 210ox
          So in the graphical editor anything is drawn. Though the "Death Star" by Lucas.

          The demon knows how, but it’s also from there, AB -13 in the USSR there were 6 (six) Centurions (four of which were “kosher”), apparently one was lost in the steppes of Ukraine.
      2. major071
        major071 30 January 2017 14: 21
        +26
        What a terrible name ...
        What wonderful cars ...
        But sorry. They have one calling
        Only be a picture in the picture
        wink drinks
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 30 January 2017 14: 27
        +4
        Quote: hirurg
        We have already seen Tirex! And now Ber.ser. horror!)))

        Ukrainians are all anonymous ... Tirex was now trying to create something like the T-15 or the Terminator ...
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 30 January 2017 15: 41
          +4
          Quote: NEXUS
          Ukrainians all monkeys ...
          Ukrainians had the development of a heavy BMP based on the T-64, since the tank engine and hull, with some refinement, allow the engine to be moved forward. Surely there are T-64 reserves, on the basis of which they could make a "duplex", a transport-fire ligament, - a heavy armored personnel carrier and BMPT, and "monkey" on a heavy BMP is stupid, and does our army need a monster like T-15 , also a question. In the photo is a heavy armored personnel carrier and an upgraded T-64.
          1. Evdokim
            Evdokim 30 January 2017 18: 19
            +3
            Are they back there on the karachiks or something? wassat
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 31 January 2017 06: 35
              +1
              Quote: Evdokim
              Are they back there on the karachiks or something?
              No, there is a two-fold ramp, the upper part can be used as an embrasure, with a separate opening. Here is another photo of this Kharkov heavy infantry fighting vehicle (above, mechanically, called it to the photo “heavy armored personnel carrier”, I apologize).
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 30 January 2017 20: 14
            +2
            And we could make heavy BMPs from old stocks.
      4. sir_obs
        sir_obs 30 January 2017 22: 36
        0
        as they say, take it and a series ... so this one will turn out ...
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 30 January 2017 14: 14
      +11
      Calm down dear, the Slavs are now killing the Slavs in the Donbas, and I’ll tell you very well! So you don’t have to scuffle, the management should think how to stop all this and ruin the Bandera! and in the Great Patriotic War we fought together, with the exception of the very Bandera ... and this is not the whole of Ukraine !!!
      1. Voyager
        Voyager 30 January 2017 14: 17
        +12
        Do you seriously believe that fraternal bonds remain between us after all this? Some Ukrainians then may have remained fraternal, small. Mostly in the Donbass. The rest are either just killing their own and ours, or they are sitting asses on sofas and stupidly looking, but watching all this light presentation. I repeat: most Ukrainians just sit and look at all this, eat candy, either assenting or just not giving a damn. What kind of brothers are they?
        I’m calm, but how you are going to plague Bandera with this approach is not very clear to me.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 30 January 2017 14: 41
          +7
          Quote: Voyager
          Do you seriously believe that fraternal bonds remain between us after all this?

          That’s exactly what I think. Moreover, I’m sure of that.

          Quote: Voyager
          I repeat: most Ukrainians just sit and look at all this, eat candy, either assenting or just not giving a damn.

          You recall how dew behaved before Alexander Nevsky, or maybe in the days of Minin and Pozharsky? They either sat in huts or gnawed at each other's throats. There are many such examples in our history. And then one leader comes and unites the Slavs under their banners, and then the distribution of the lyuley to the adversary begins. This is our peculiarity ... it is not in vain that there is such a saying-RUSSIAN LONG HIRES BUT, BUT FAST RIDES.
          There is so far no leader on Slavic land who would unify all three of Russia. The GDP is trying to do this, but I think he will transfer this matter to the receiver.
          1. Voyager
            Voyager 30 January 2017 17: 44
            +2
            But now is not the time of Minin and Pozharsky. It will be many years before time takes away these heads clogged from childhood and it will be possible to restore relations from scratch. In the foreseeable future this can not even be dreamed of.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 30 January 2017 17: 58
              +4
              Quote: Voyager
              But now is not the time of Minin and Pozharsky.

              And how do they differ in these times? The same princes and boyars in each volost, the same feuds and the involvement of outside forces, the same civil strife and the same split ... so what are the differences?
              Or do you want to say that Little and White Russia is not our land?
              Look at the history of our land and people ... when they came to us for protection and when Russia grew in land and population? That's right ... when it was united! It is not in vain that they are called Big, Small and White Russia. It is this triple that makes our Motherland invincible and great. Without this triple, the Russia of the temple is blind and deaf. This was understood by Nevsky, this was understood by Donskoy, and this was understood by any of our rulers who combined these three forces into a single whole. We defeated any adversary when we were together as one. History has shown us this more than once and will show it more than once. And when we were fragmented, the Polovtsy came, beat us, the Mongol-Tatars beat us, the Poles, beat us, the Swedes beat us ...
              Those who say that we are already different nations and do not bind us together make the same mistake as the current Ukrainians who deny us, try to forget history, rewrite it.
              It will not work, since all three of Russia are consanguineous and tightly bound together. Denying this is stupid and criminal.
              1. Voyager
                Voyager 30 January 2017 18: 51
                +2
                The earth is ours. Many people there are not. If my position is criminal in your opinion, I’ll ask what to do with the young generation of Ukrainian guys who burned people in Odessa (and with the following nurtured Nazi slogans)? And what about the millions who support these killers and their methods, do you think they are brothers too, or what? If so, then I correctly understood that it is necessary to understand and forgive the younger lost brothers.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 30 January 2017 19: 07
                  +4
                  Quote: Voyager
                  If my position is criminal in your opinion, I will ask what to do with the young generation of Ukrainian guys

                  Do we have such youth in Russia?
                  Quote: Voyager
                  who burned people in Odessa (and with the following nurtured Nazi slogans)?

                  Those who burned people in Odessa or those who were punitive in the Donbass are judged. No appeal. And to teach young people with emptiness in the head, to explain, rather than give up, thinking that they themselves will grow up and understand.
                  Quote: Voyager
                  And what about the millions who support these killers and their methods

                  Are you sure that there are millions of them? Those who sit in the huts are stupidly afraid. And there are still those who are rinsed with brains, and they, doing nothing, also consider us enemies, because they were told so.
                  Quote: Voyager
                  do you also consider them brothers, or what?

                  I will never consider murderers and Nazis as brothers, even if he is at least three times Russian. I repeat, we already had such times more than once. Someone was sold to the Poles, someone handed out the keys of the cities to the Swedes, someone because of their ambitions and profits refused to stand together against the enemy ... this is called disunity and civil strife.
                  But I am convinced that then Russia will become a truly great state when the unification of Greater, Lesser and White Russia occurs. Only in this way and nothing else. Separately, we are weak and we can be broken. And the West always understood this, which is why they drove a wedge into this triple.
                2. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 30 January 2017 19: 19
                  +3
                  Quote: Voyager
                  The earth is ours.

                  Then why are you disowning her?
                  Quote: Voyager
                  If so, then I correctly understood that it is necessary to understand and forgive the younger lost brothers.

                  The main thing is that they understand. I’m not talking about those who killed, raped and robbed ... this puts the prison in absentia for a long time, and cries the gallows for some. It's about the majority of Ukrainians who are either afraid or do not understand, or, no matter how regrettable it sounds, they are deceived by the media, the political elite, and Western propaganda. In fairness, it must be said that the technologies and methods of such propaganda are really effective and efficient, since half-blooded peoples began to consider each other's enemies.
                  But after all, Rusich fought for the khans, and for the Pole, too, and for the Swedes ... there were also such people who took the side of the enemies. But because of this, Russia did not split into its constituent parts ... I’m saying that everything is in our history, it’s quite simple to analyze and want to see.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 30 January 2017 14: 24
        +1
        Of course it’s not worth it ... Hoping .. Well, then our leadership will spit on the Minsk agreement and pay tribute to Bandera .. Peacekeepers damn it! Many people of course think that the Kremlin will think over a hundred moves ahead .. Maybe it’s true, but, anyway it is useless to hope for insight inside today's Ukrainian rabble (I cannot name these Slavs anything else) hi
        Quote: igorka357
        Calm down dear, the Slavs are now killing the Slavs in the Donbas, and I’ll tell you very well! So you don’t have to scuffle, the management should think how to stop all this and ruin the Bandera! and in the Great Patriotic War we fought together, with the exception of the very Bandera ... and this is not the whole of Ukraine !!!
        1. just exp
          just exp 30 January 2017 15: 03
          +2
          Do you think that the Kremlin is guided by "heads-tails"? or just hit my head.
          in ALL countries they’ll calculate the moves, it’s another matter that it’s not always possible to calculate the moves of the enemy. but on the whole, they count well. otherwise Crimea would not be ours now. and the Americans overslept and Crimea and the input and "withdrawal" of our to / from Syria
      3. Comrade Stalin
        Comrade Stalin 30 January 2017 22: 55
        0
        You are not my brother to me, gn ... but Bender!
  2. g1v2
    g1v2 30 January 2017 14: 10
    +4
    What, they still have cases from the t80 left, or what? What will it be sawed from?
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 30 January 2017 14: 15
      +1
      Saw-saw ... and you guys in Donbas right now tell recourse , the situation there is by no means joyful!
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 30 January 2017 14: 35
        +5
        Ordinary situation . War, however. And what does this hobby have to do with the situation there? For 3 years at least once Bastion lit up there? This is too expensive for the APU - to order such prodigies for yourself.
      2. just exp
        just exp 30 January 2017 15: 04
        0
        Are you all-pro-posts fastening your turnips?
        or work out a grant?
  3. crocodile25
    crocodile25 30 January 2017 14: 13
    +1
    The flavor of T15 flies out.
    in their armor put dill pancake fool
  4. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 30 January 2017 14: 13
    +4
    And what have you already completed the Thai contract? laughing
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 30 January 2017 14: 18
      0
      They failed the Thai contract in general immediately and for a long time, and now the bastards took up the Donbass seriously .. didn’t they notice that there was not enough news that was winning?
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 30 January 2017 14: 24
        +1
        Quote: igorka357
        and now the bastards seriously took up the Donbass ..

        Yes, I noticed of course. But it already was, and what twice. The result is the same. Here, however, the task of ours, you can’t imagine, couldn’t go to the peninsula in Minsk-3 ...
        Everything is decided in a natural way.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 January 2017 14: 15
    +4
    Well, yes, fortunately, they had a lot of scrap metal in storage, not all of which was still sawn.
    I would recommend that VO no longer raise the topic of the military-industrial complex of Maidania. As the saying goes, the deceased is either good or nothing wassat
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 30 January 2017 14: 24
      +2
      About the deceased belay ? Yes, still not very deceased, do not forget that Ukrainians have Slavic blood in their veins ... even bad Ukrainians ... Bandera! Is it really not clear that Russian-Ukrainian-Belarusian is one people .. one blood, our ancestors fought together, together spoke the same language, ate one piece of meat together! We need not to kill them physically, we need to kill the infection in their heads, in their thoughts! The late Maidan, damn it, you know ... in Kiev people live not so badly, and I’m I don’t know through tenths of mouth ... unfortunately, to my great regret!
      1. bk316
        bk316 30 January 2017 14: 44
        +3
        Is it really not clear that Russian-Ukrainian-Belarusian is one people.

        Yes, stop agitating us. Want to kill someone in your head? And what are you doing here, you are on the censor.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 30 January 2017 14: 50
        +4
        Quote: igorka357
        Yes, still not very deceased, do not forget that Ukrainians have Slavic blood in their veins ... even bad Ukrainians ... Bandera! Is it really not clear that Russian-Ukrainian-Belarusian is one people .. one blood, our ancestors fought together, they spoke together in one language, together one piece of meat was nibbled!

        The union of the three Russia, if correctly put it this way, is predetermined ... we will be crushed separately and put in a stall. It has always been like that when Russia is united, there was prosperity and victories and greatness. And today, Big Russia is in splendid isolation. And this time, after the collapse of the USSR, we can safely call the time of unrest and strife, which has been more than once on our land.
        One thing I know for sure, you need a man, as it was before in history, which would unite the three Russia. And I am convinced that such a person will appear.
        1. Comrade Stalin
          Comrade Stalin 30 January 2017 22: 59
          0
          Who are you? Troll or paid bot? Since when did the Galician Natsik, whose heroes Hitler and Bender, and who had nothing in common with Russia and Russians for 900 years, become our brother?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 30 January 2017 23: 04
            +3
            Quote: Comrade_Stalin
            Who are you? Troll or paid bot? Since when did the Galician Natsik, whose heroes Hitler and Bender, and who had nothing in common with Russia and Russians for 900 years, become our brother?

            Dear, if you remove the pan from your head and stop jumping, it will probably reach you that I’m not talking about Bender’s fascists, but ordinary Ukrainians, which are hundreds of times more in Ukraine than this Nazi scum.
            Stop jumping like maydaunas and turn on your head. Or for you, Ukrainian and fascist words are synonyms?
            1. Comrade Stalin
              Comrade Stalin 30 January 2017 23: 36
              +2
              Already provocations do? Do you want me to write that Ukrainians are fascists? For your information, a Ukrainian is not a nationality, just as a Russian, an Indian, a Brazilian, a Belgian, a British or an American is not a nationality. In Ukraine, mainly three indigenous nationalities live: Russians (in the east and south), Ukrainians or Little Russians (in the north) and Galicians (in the west). You can recall more Rusyns in Transcarpathia and Northern Bukovina, but they are few.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 30 January 2017 23: 51
                +2
                Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                Already provocations do?

                No, dear ... what provocations are there. And so, that is not news about Ukraine, so the verbal srach is up to the horizon.
                Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                For your information, a Ukrainian is not a nationality, just as a Russian, an Indian, a Brazilian, a Belgian, a British or an American is not a nationality.

                You have not opened America to me.
                Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                You can recall more Rusyns in Transcarpathia and Northern Bukovina, but they are few.

                And let's better remember about Big, Small and White Russia.
                1. Comrade Stalin
                  Comrade Stalin 31 January 2017 00: 15
                  +2
                  Maybe we recall Polish Russia? You are not tired of running around with the idea of ​​a Slavic brotherhood as a written sack? Have you already forgotten how Russia invested $ 250 billion in non-brothers, just because they considered them fraternal people? Or how did Russia get involved in WWI for the sake of Serb bros, which ended up with 50 million killed and starving in WWII, the Civil War, droughts and famines? Or how did Russia intercede for the Bulgarian little brothers in 1877, which ended in the infamous San Stefano treaty? For your information, the Germans and the British are also brothers, a single Germanic people, having common ancestors, culture and a similar language. But the whole history of the worst enemies between them was not. Or remember the Anglo-Dutch wars, the Dutch are also the German people, their language has fewer differences from German than Ukrainian surzhik from Russian. Or remember Danish-Swedish relations. Or remember the Spanish-French wars, although those and those are Romanesque peoples. So you go to the English and tell them that they are brothers to the Germans and therefore must unite in one country. Well, or to the French with the propaganda of unification with the Spaniards.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 31 January 2017 00: 26
                    +2
                    Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                    You are not tired of running around with the idea of ​​a Slavic brotherhood as a written sack?

                    Hmm ... change the nickname, dear. It’s not for you. I consider the conversation exhausted. From malice only do not choke on saliva.
                    1. Comrade Stalin
                      Comrade Stalin 31 January 2017 00: 34
                      +1
                      To Bender nits, who burned people alive in Odessa and beat them with bats, to thousands of horses with screaming “mo ... fucking up”, all this scum of ukronatsiks, recruited to the Donbass for a thousand hryvnias a day, robbing civilians, raping girls and killing civilians There is no forgiveness. Do not forget, do not forgive!
  6. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 30 January 2017 14: 22
    +2
    Make one on the basis of the stronghold, and this is a vegetable or tourist base? Must be good often write about it
  7. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 30 January 2017 14: 24
    +4
    "Berserk"
    Steel boxes aren’t afraid of the “Anti-Viking” shells. Yes, and how many will they be in a single copy-machine again? See the trunks ending ...
  8. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 30 January 2017 14: 25
    +7
    I’ll go and draw a worse picture, I’ll say that I’ll soon make a plasma plasma cannon gun. And suddenly, who will give money for the picture ... Yes, more
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 30 January 2017 14: 27
    +3
    It is known that the project of a promising combat vehicle has the working title “Berserk” (in ancient German mythology, an invincible and insensitive warrior who fought with wild frantic power).
    ..There's probably a highlight in what they will refuel ... Judging by the name, a decoction of fly agaric ... How it will be refilled, the car will turn into invincible and insensitive to hit by fragments, bullets, shells, missiles ..
  10. Smoked
    Smoked 30 January 2017 14: 28
    +3
    And it suits them by the way. Berserkers, they seem to have been full of fly agarics, for brutality, and after the battle their outcast in the form of diarrhea tormented. That APU will be just in the subject.
    1. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 31 January 2017 00: 50
      +1
      There are theories according to which the berserk’s aggressiveness is explained by the intake of psychotropic substances, such as fly agaric, or a large amount of alcohol before a fight. This point of view is the most common, however, other possible causes were mentioned, such as hysteria, epilepsy, mental illness and heredity.

      Normans are simply ancient Ukrainians, and Otto Höffler invented berserkers in Annenerb wassat Everything is logical and ideologically verified.
  11. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 30 January 2017 14: 30
    +4
    The next craft will be a twin-body fire-breathing Cerberus aircraft?
  12. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 30 January 2017 14: 48
    +5
    But what about the “dungster” based on the container?
  13. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 30 January 2017 15: 03
    +1
    To put it mildly and roughly speaking, it’s CRUNKY IT IS EVERYTHING. We give them TIME, and this is the main thing. You won’t play back.
  14. BABA SHURA
    BABA SHURA 30 January 2017 15: 20
    0
    But I did not know that it was written in Ukrainian, bye. Tse mova metropolis.
  15. Editor
    Editor 30 January 2017 15: 26
    +3
    anyway they programmers @world of [email protected] they will not outdo ... although they can compete in drawing.

    and here at the Kharkov repair plant there are blanks for new tanks ...

  16. Shuttle
    Shuttle 30 January 2017 15: 43
    +3
    There were no more brains to come up with something new, as far as one can judge by the presented. Where did they go? (a rhetorical question)
  17. Alexahndr
    Alexahndr 30 January 2017 15: 44
    +2
    Is it really that they will build something? Judging by the tanks on agricultural tractors, they no longer have enough fuse. Specialists can and do, on design and other scientific matters, because there is little desire.
  18. 181msp
    181msp 30 January 2017 15: 53
    +3
    Thanks to the new surveillance and reconnaissance system, the crew will have an 360-degree view of the battlefield.


    Apparently, the plans of ukroVPK will cause a stir in the door-eye market
  19. Berkut24
    Berkut24 30 January 2017 16: 06
    +1
    Do we draw all the pictures? And then the aunts will drag a secret prototype from the garage for scrap?
  20. mik6403
    mik6403 30 January 2017 16: 13
    +5
    Brothers in Ukraine are not more than 5-10% of the total population, and even then pensioners in the eastern and central regions, the rest of the sane have left for a long time either in Russia or in the geyropa. The rest have brains on their backs and it’s to blame for all the troubles (including economic) - Russia and Russians (Slavs like to blame anyone except themselves, then mattresses, then Jews, then someone else ...) ... I In recent years, I have heard enough of such historical bullshit from the great ukrov coming that I have already begun to take notes for the soul .... And even those who come to Russia for permanent residence quietly hate us, because of our intrigues and machinations they had to leave their homeland .....something like that....
  21. Brigadier
    Brigadier 30 January 2017 16: 50
    +2
    Again on the streets of Banderlogiya will be rubbish, because all the garbage cans went to the armor dirty ... sorry, formidable car! laughing
  22. Monarchist
    Monarchist 30 January 2017 17: 10
    +1
    Quote: major071
    What a terrible name ...
    What wonderful cars ...
    But sorry. They have one calling
    Only be a picture in the picture
    wink drinks

    Is this not enough for you? And they are happy
  23. esaul1950
    esaul1950 30 January 2017 18: 39
    0
    Judging by the weight, this piece of iron is close to medium tanks.
  24. Voyager
    Voyager 30 January 2017 19: 30
    +3
    Quote: NEXUS
    Do we have such youth in Russia?

    The one who yells "death to the Ukrainians" and massively burns people alive, worshiping personalities like Bandera? No.
    If something like that exists, then at times smaller scales and not active, but such will always be in absolutely any country.
    Quote: NEXUS
    Those who burned people in Odessa or those who were punitive in the Donbass are judged. No appeal. And to teach young people with emptiness in the head, to explain, rather than give up, thinking that they themselves will grow up and understand.

    So I ask again, how? How will you weed out the guilty, from just bully heads (which, incidentally, are indirectly guilty as well. It turns out that people must be judged to hell)? By the way, you know, such a story already happened during and after World War II, and as you can see, nothing good came of it.
    Quote: NEXUS
    Are you sure that there are millions of them? Those who sit in the huts are stupidly afraid. And there are still those who are rinsed with brains, and they, doing nothing, also consider us enemies, because they were told so.

    I can ask the same way, are you sure you are just afraid? I’m sure that this scum is millions, an indicator of that, and turnout at the Poroshenko’s and Co. elections, and a wild number of people on the Internet confirming the presence of this rubbish in their heads.
    But most of all I don’t understand, but what does it mean to rinse the brains? This is to what extent it is necessary to rinse the brain, so that most justify the same Odessa? they are all fine знаютwhat really happened there, do not make illusions. This is a real fascist act of intimidation, and most supported it. And a minority, if it exists and which apparently does not understand this, means frank, with whom we are also not on the way.
    Quote: NEXUS
    I will never consider murderers and Nazis as brothers, even if he is at least three times Russian. I repeat, we already had such times more than once. Someone was sold to the Poles, someone handed out the keys of the cities to the Swedes, someone because of their ambitions and profits refused to stand together against the enemy ... this is called disunity and civil strife.

    We also have our own freaks in history, but we do not put ourselves in the heroes of Vlasov, Mannerheim and others like that. Look, there were attempts with the latter, so the people rebelled and it seems that even through the bureaucracy they already officially won the case. What prevented them from keeping up with their conscience?
    Quote: NEXUS
    But I am convinced that then Russia will become a truly great state when the unification of Greater, Lesser and White Russia occurs. Only in this way and nothing else. Separately, we are weak and we can be broken. And the West always understood this, which is why they drove a wedge into this triple.

    I should not ascribe the proposal that I propose to burn all the bridges. Above, I clearly set the line that there is a minority in Ukraine, which is ours. Just those same Russians or Ukrainians are not important, just our people, just those with whom we are strong. So the fact is that those who ours have long said their word. Someone immigrated, someone is fighting in the Donbass for all of us. What is stopping the rest, as a few of my friends from Ukraine take and dump from there? Well, yes, there are really frightened ones, there are those to whom it is hard to transport relatives and all that. But their absolute minority. And then you offer again then our same resources (I’m not even talking about money, but about people and time) to spend on ever-erring and feed again, convincing Nooo, we are good guys, no need to go at us with fists, because you, too, are really good.. What you propose to implement is a good dream, with which I agree. But one must face the truth.
  25. rus-5819
    rus-5819 30 January 2017 20: 55
    +1
    Ukrainian defenders can begin production of heavy infantry fighting vehicles developed on the basis of the Oplot tank

    It is known that the project of a promising combat vehicle has the working name “Berserk” (in ancient German mythology - an invincible and insensitive to wounds warrior who fought with wild frenzied force


    For three years now I have been reading questions: "What do they smoke there?" I answer: they don’t smoke, but they eat muhamors! "
    Berserk
    root ber- can mean both “bear” and “naked”; -serkr means “skin”, “shirt”[B] [/ b]
    Well, the fact that the “bear” is Russia, that is, the “zrada” is understandable, I hope that the “naked” is the same in the subject, I don’t know the “skin”, but the shirt ... quilted jacket, in short a padded jacket! The zrada is complete !!
  26. commbatant
    commbatant 30 January 2017 22: 35
    +1
    is it cheaper on the basis of t-64?
  27. Comrade Stalin
    Comrade Stalin 30 January 2017 23: 02
    +1
    The horses are such horses ... They would have made an application for an intergalactic spaceship wassat
  28. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 31 January 2017 03: 57
    +1
    And who will make them the combat module?
  29. alavrin
    alavrin 31 January 2017 20: 17
    +1
    T.N. Ukroboronprom recently announced that with the current funding and technical culture, they can produce only 5 Oplot tanks a year. From this we can conclude how many of these new crafts under the name "Berserk" really go into the army.
  30. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 1 February 2017 19: 25
    0
    Old songs about the main thing: