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Another problem fighter F-35

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A video appeared on the Internet in which the American F-35C one after another take off from the deck of an aircraft carrier. One of the users noticed that during takeoff, pilots beat their heads against the top of the cockpit, some even have helmets falling. Reports about it RIA News.



“See how the helmet for 400 thousands of dollars falls off the head,” wrote a user from Brazil on Twitter.

The sharp start of the aircraft also attracted the attention of journalists. "Business Insider", for example, writes: "It is for this reason that the deck modification of the F-35C has not yet been commissioned." The author compared the ejection takeoff of the F-35C and the F-18 and noted that "the F-1970 developed in 18s also shakes at the start, but not so much."

"However, in the case of the F-18, the pilot does not have a 400 helmet costing thousands of dollars, which shows critical information for the flight," the newspaper notes.

The author recalls the conclusion of the Pentagon on the results of the F-35C test, which states that the “ejection take-off of the F-35C can be dangerous for the health of pilots”. Of the 105 pilots, 74 after the start complained of “moderate pain”, and 18 declared “strong unceasing pain”.



Recall earlier reported major problems with the software of the aircraft, which lead to problems with shooting accuracy, the use of radar and recognition system "friend or foe". About $ 35 billion has already been spent on the implementation of the F-400 project.
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  1. himRa
    himRa 30 January 2017 09: 20
    +9
    Yes already. for the pilot, this can be fatal!
    1. himRa
      himRa 30 January 2017 09: 24
      +20
      All that was missing was the crazy, silly American pilots! wassat
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 30 January 2017 09: 42
        +5
        All that was missing was the crazy, silly American pilots!
        Do you think is missing? lol
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 30 January 2017 09: 44
        +8
        Raheem, hello! hi Can you imagine what a "fucking" pilot can do? At least - without recognizing your "native" ship with a cry: "Demons!" to work out the entire ammunition load on it, or to execute "kamikaze". And as a maximum ... I don’t even want to think.
        1. himRa
          himRa 30 January 2017 09: 47
          +6
          Hello Pasha! It’s not surprising that they bomb the weddings, and the construction equipment - the order came in and there was nothing to think about! wassat
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 30 January 2017 09: 49
            +8
            It would be better if these pilots stupidly lost consciousness after hitting the kettle on the lantern when they took off! wassat
            1. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 30 January 2017 13: 14
              +3
              the helmet can be fastened to the head with Guadzhem! lol
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 30 January 2017 09: 25
      +12
      Quote: himRa
      Yes already. for the pilot, this can be fatal!

      Special made to prevent the pilots from falling asleep. Just fucking like you drank a cup of coffee. laughing
      1. Alex_1973
        Alex_1973 30 January 2017 09: 37
        +17
        Well, where are the main apologists for this prodigy, Israeli citizens ?! I generally trudge with these DBs. Their mattresses in fact were bred like a sucker, and they are happy at the same time. In general, the mattresses of course eventually bring him to mind, but what of that. The plane turned out so-so, in fact, in principle, it could not be otherwise. Unification of the aircraft cannot lead to anything good. As a fighter, he is no one, as an attack aircraft, all the more so-so mediocre bomber for unreal grandmas. The question is, with whom can he fight? Again, against the Papuans it is very expensive, but against a serious opponent with serious air defense, it will be unrealistically expensive due to the fact that most of these aircraft will not be able to overcome serious air defense. And what's the bottom line ?!
        You were abruptly raped by perverted citizens of a well-known country ... laughing
        I look forward to seeing you start screaming together in a crowd how this wunderwaffle will plow the expanses of the Bolshoi Theater! laughing
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 30 January 2017 10: 05
          +4
          Quote: Alex_1973
          Israeli citizens ?! I generally trudge with these DBs. Their mattresses in fact were bred like a sucker, and they are happy at the same time.

          Israel does not need a catapult launch.
          1. Alex_1973
            Alex_1973 30 January 2017 10: 11
            +3
            Avis Today, 10:05 ↑
            Israel does not need a catapult launch.
            I agree, but what of that? I didn’t want to say that at all. I wrote that they will solve the problems sooner or later, that’s not the point. The question is, why do Israel need these cars? Against who? Against Iran are excessive in terms of high cost, all the more against all other neighbors. Against whom are they going to use it?
            This is a very very expensive toy. I can understand the United States, if they were going to fight with us, but I don’t understand Israel, where are they going? Or did they also decide to fight with us? If so, then they have headaches fool much more than i expected! laughing
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 30 January 2017 10: 58
              +19
              "If so, then they have problems with the head" ////

              Head problems are usually those who write emotional posts.
              with a question mark at the end of each sentence ...

              And for Israel - the tradition of purchasing and manufacturing military equipment
              latest generations. Our military experience shows that costs are paying off.
              1. Alex_1973
                Alex_1973 30 January 2017 11: 13
                0
                voyaka uh Today, 10: 58 ↑
                And for Israel - the tradition of purchasing and manufacturing military equipment
                latest generations. Our military experience shows that costs are paying off.
                And I already thought that the warrior had committed suicide, but not alive. Well, well, blessed is he who believes. I will look at what debts this pipellatz will drive you into, and how you will pay them back, and most importantly due to what. Trump is unlikely to subsidize you like Obama, so you will pay from your own pocket.
                And yet, yes, the question remains of application, against whom will you fight against them? Bedouins on camels to drive through the desert?

                Such problems with the head all the same you are not respected! laughing
              2. Lock36
                Lock36 30 January 2017 19: 52
                +2
                Quote: voyaka uh
                And for Israel - the tradition of purchasing and manufacturing military equipment
                latest generations. Our military experience shows that costs are paying off.

                Tell us more about it! And how successful is your “military experience”? Have you forgotten about Cast Lead, or are you still treating? laughing
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 30 January 2017 14: 28
            +2
            Quote: Avis

            Israel does not need a catapult launch.

            We need to learn. I hope next year our people will fly.

            A video of the participation of promising stealth fifth-generation F-35 multi-role fighters in the American Red Flag exercises appeared on the network. The video is published on the Military Zone YouTube channel.
            Exercises of the Red Flag series have been held by the United States with the participation of foreign countries annually since 1975 at the Nellis air bases in Nevada and Eyelson in Alaska. The exercises are held several times a year and last on average about two weeks.
            [media = https: //youtu.be/kc8EAo71EN4]
        2. Dan4eG
          Dan4eG 30 January 2017 12: 26
          +7
          and now listen to the expert opinion:
          mattresses spread like a lo how

          The plane turned out so-so, in fact, in principle, it could not be otherwise

          Unification of the aircraft cannot lead to anything good.

          The question is, with whom can he fight?

          You were abruptly fucked in a perverted form

          thank you
          it was an expert opinion laughing
          1. ferdiperdozzz
            ferdiperdozzz 30 January 2017 13: 55
            0
            That is, there is nothing to say on the topic of the article?
      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 30 January 2017 09: 38
        +9
        Quote: kapitan92
        Special made to prevent the pilots from falling asleep. Just fucking like you drank a cup of coffee.

        A colleague, then they will have to give medals for the number of take-offs and the number of helmets saved. laughing
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 30 January 2017 09: 43
          +4
          Quote: 79807420129
          Quote: kapitan92
          Special made to prevent the pilots from falling asleep. Just fucking like you drank a cup of coffee.

          A colleague, then they will have to give medals for the number of take-offs and the number of helmets saved. laughing

          And the video on the video is notable. Is it really worth that kind of money or a bit "drank"? drinks
          1. 79807420129
            79807420129 30 January 2017 09: 52
            +11
            Quote: kapitan92
            Is it really worth that kind of money or a bit "drank"?

            Colleague drinks hi Of course, I can be mistaken, but in my opinion on planet Earth, only one place is left, where, if necessary, they will not cut the loot request These are the North and South Poles yes White bears and penguins have not yet learned, but people get there too. request And Comrade Trump was not without reason horrified at the cost of the F-35 and ordered to lower the price. Respectfully drinks hi
            1. volodimer
              volodimer 30 January 2017 10: 55
              +2
              At the North Pole, everything is fine http://www.specialtravelclub.ru/severnyj_polyus/i
              temlist, the loot is being cut with might and main, and on the south, the United States “Amundsen-Scott”, there I think that everything is normal too hi , so that .....
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 30 January 2017 10: 17
        +6
        Quote: kapitan92
        Just fucking like you drank a cup of coffee.

        With a high intensity of takeoffs and landings, the pilot may become a fool by the end of the day ... the lantern is not glass and cannot break ... but the head, I think, even in a helmet, is fragile ...
    3. maxim947
      maxim947 30 January 2017 09: 35
      +4
      All this is nonsense, finalized. The main thing is their process
      1. himRa
        himRa 30 January 2017 09: 50
        +8
        Quote: maxim947
        All this is nonsense, finalized. The main thing is their process

        I would not be so optimistic especially about the Americans!
        abandoned on the 22nd due to high cost can either reduce the program or close 35 mu
        I apologize as our Gorbachev - the process has begun! wassat
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 30 January 2017 10: 08
          +7
          Quote: himRa
          I apologize as our Gorbachev - the process has begun!

          Oh e, and then perestroika, publicity, New Thinking, GKChP on the American, and the collapse of the United States belay e mine. fellow
        2. region58
          region58 30 January 2017 11: 01
          +4
          Quote: himRa
          from the 22nd refused because of the high cost

          22 made 200 pieces. Why more if so far no one has anything like this? Although they are sawing no worse than ours, they also know how to count.
          PS For hijackers, the question immediately is: how many t-50s are we armed with? Or SU-35?
          1. himRa
            himRa 30 January 2017 11: 51
            +7
            Quote: region58
            Quote: himRa
            from the 22nd refused because of the high cost

            22 made 200 pieces. Why more if so far no one has anything like this? Although they are sawing no worse than ours, they also know how to count.
            PS For hijackers, the question immediately is: how many t-50s are we armed with? Or SU-35?

            In your statement, it’s not permissible to penetrate, with all-out props, at our level!
            Su-35 with Irbis-E ALREADY worthy adversary! And in quantity as well (we will not specify)
            combat capabilities are not compared to the Su-35pr.F-15,22 if you know a little about what ...
            and we are talking about the fact that the videoconferencing will act as a “defender,” and mattresses as an aggressor, so your statements have no reason!
            If we talk about air superiority ...
            1-Opportunities F-22/15 must be diluted with our air defense
            2-Opportunities Su-35 add our stationary and mobile means
            3-Amer’s program was curtailed precisely because of their high cost at that time and the size of the army was declining ..
            4 -....
            5 .....
            At our level, you just have to believe into our army and radiate that confidence to those around
            There are experts and analysts who are involved in this business - you are definitely not one of them!
            so then, dear!
            1. region58
              region58 30 January 2017 15: 48
              +1
              Quote: himRa
              There are experts and analysts who are involved in this business - you are definitely not one of them!
              so then, dear!

              Just like you. It's not about how it will be, but about the fact that they have already made 200 pieces, and considered such a quantity at the moment sufficient.
              Quote: himRa
              we are talking about the fact that the videoconferencing will act as a “defender,” and the mattresses as an aggressor, so your statements have no reason!

              One defense will not do. It is highly desirable that no aggressor even have the thought that we will only be "defending".
              Quote: himRa
              At our level, you just need to believe in our army and radiate this confidence to those nearby

              Even from our level it’s clear that affairs are no end, and it’s too early to throw bonnets into the air.
        3. Asadullah
          Asadullah 30 January 2017 12: 33
          +1
          I apologize as our Gorbachev - the process has begun!


          What are you saying! How about your process? You’re like a man on a cart, you flew by a Lada, spit out seeds, - his tires are of the wrong color, he won’t go far .... he’s smart to learn to be even smarter, because this process is endless, foolish, fills his brain with concrete, for any the movement of the gyrus brings him unbearable pain.
          1. himRa
            himRa 30 January 2017 17: 22
            +3
            Respected Asadullah if I understood correctly, the criticism applies to me and you compared me
            You are like a man on a cart, a Zhiguli flew by, spit seeds - his tires are of the wrong color, he will not go far.

            With some kind of rustic .... I don’t even want to talk
            fool, fills his brain with concrete, for any movement of the gyrus, brings him unbearable pain.

            Emotions speak in you and believe me for such statements you have no reason wink
            I could also answer in your style, I can do it too ... until I do, I respect you for balanced assessments and correct PMSM analyzes ...
            Quote: region58
            One defense will not do. It is highly desirable that no aggressor even have the thought that we will only be "defending".

            I believe that it will be so! and I agree that it’s too early to throw bonnets BUT until we’ve eaten meat and built muscles, we have to dance a warlike dance, raising morale,
            with uv. comrades
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 30 January 2017 21: 54
              0
              laughing
              Emotions speak in you and believe me for such statements you have no reason


              Yes, waking you up, we talk in a generalized way, without focusing on personalities. A priori, I have unconditional respect for all the participants in the conversation on the resource, if I touch anyone sideways, it is only to aggravate the polemic. Consider me a chef in Sichuan cuisine, I do not regret red pepper) At work, everyone hates me without exception. laughing With unconditional respect and to you as well hi
        4. jonhr
          jonhr 30 January 2017 14: 19
          +1
          from 22 no one refused. the production line stands in a canned form. and yet it may happen that a raptor version with giblets 35 appears. but this is when it will be needed.
        5. maxim947
          maxim947 30 January 2017 15: 46
          +1
          I would not be so optimistic especially about the Americans!
          abandoned on the 22nd due to high cost can either reduce the program or close 35 mu
          I apologize as our Gorbachev - the process has begun! wassat
          [i] [/ i]
          Yes, it’s not that the main process, all the main flaws are identified in the first years of operation. The key word is exploitation. Therefore, they will finalize. We just can’t turn around with our T-50 in any way, slowly like that. And if they “close” it because of the high price, then this is a completely different story ...
      2. Alex_1973
        Alex_1973 30 January 2017 09: 52
        +6
        maxim947 Today, 09:35 ↑
        All this is nonsense, finalized. The main thing is their process
        I already wrote above, they will modify it, then they will finalize it, but what's the point? It turned out to be a mediocre TTX plane for unreal grandmas. An hour of flight of this pipellac costs FOUR times more expensive than the same F-18 ...! To paraphrase the phrase you want to ruin the country, give it a cruiser, you can say give Israel more of these machines, they so dreamed of receiving them. The Italians turned out to be wiser than the “chosen ones”, since they sharply reduced purchases of this toy.
        Trump will be right if he winds up this program, though there are so many who want to lobby this project further that, as if Trump himself did not curtail his program.
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 30 January 2017 11: 03
          +2
          I agree, for the United States it would be better to make f-18 4 ++, rather than sculpt it. Many of their allies have already moved out, while others have reduced purchases, which, again, does not reduce the cost of the aircraft. But, it's like that! Well, the most exclusively advanced nation, well, could not do something lower in parallel to the 5th generation, but it seems that it will have to.
      3. Hey
        Hey 30 January 2017 11: 52
        +1
        All this is nonsense, finalize


        How will they finalize, if so, for this type of aircraft they select the lowest stunt pilots?
  2. dik-nsk
    dik-nsk 30 January 2017 09: 20
    +2
    I give a hint how to solve the problem for free - recruit dwarf pilots laughing
    1. region58
      region58 30 January 2017 10: 53
      +2
      Quote: dik-nsk
      I give a hint how to solve the problem for free

      You must first wear a hat. Ushanka, And then a helmet ... wink A joke ... But if seriously - they will modify either the plane or the catapult. They are not fools.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 30 January 2017 16: 54
        0
        no one claims to be fools, but tell me where is the F-117?
        1. region58
          region58 30 January 2017 18: 43
          +1
          Quote: kotvov
          do not tell me where is the F-117?

          In the same place as the Yak-38, and TU-144, and Hughes H-4 Hercules, and De Havilland Comet, and much more ... There were unsuccessful designs, there are will, if you mean it.
          By the way, they wrote that the F-117 aircraft were withdrawn from service due to the fact that they adopted the F-22 Raptor.
          1. jonhr
            jonhr 30 January 2017 19: 39
            +1
            117 those are all on conservation
            1. region58
              region58 30 January 2017 19: 54
              0
              Quote: jonhr
              117 those are all on conservation

              Quote: kotvov
              tell me where is the F-117?

              In the context of the conversation, as I understand it, it was understood that our "flying iron" was called it right, the plane turned out to be bad, which is why it was withdrawn from service. By the way, the Americans themselves also called it unflattering - Wobblin 'Goblin (lame goblin). And the fact that the Americans carefully store and preserve everything is not entirely news ...
              1. jonhr
                jonhr 31 January 2017 09: 09
                0
                a raptor appeared and decided it was too expensive to contain 50 lame goblins and therefore they were canned. but if desired, they will be put into operation very quickly. the Americans did not abandon this aircraft. the lame goblin proved to be quite good in conflicts in which he participated
    2. igordok
      igordok 30 January 2017 13: 59
      0
      F-35C catapult take-off can be dangerous for pilots

      Conclusion: abandon the catapult, set the springboard, as in the coolest countries - Russia, China and India. what
  3. Flinky
    Flinky 30 January 2017 09: 23
    +4
    Probably there is a sticker "Place for a header."
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 30 January 2017 09: 44
      +3
      Probably there is a sticker "Place for a header."

      Brasillero did not read the instructions for the pilots ... wassat
      1. cap
        cap 30 January 2017 10: 22
        +4
        Quote: Balu
        Probably there is a sticker "Place for a header."

        Brasillero did not read the instructions for the pilots ... wassat


        The problem is solved at a time!. A piece of foam rubber tape and ready! laughing
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 30 January 2017 11: 05
          +1
          took off the tongue laughing , cheap and cheerful, plus the helmet will not be damaged!
        2. Koshak
          Koshak 30 January 2017 12: 50
          +1
          Quote: cap
          The problem is solved at a time!. A piece of foam rubber tape and ready! laughing

          The head is smeared with superglue and a helmet is put on top.
    2. Azim77
      Azim77 30 January 2017 10: 41
      0
      Why are they so jumping on takeoff? Shouldn't there be even acceleration pressing against the chair?
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 30 January 2017 10: 49
        +1
        Why are they so jumping on takeoff?

        Maybe from a powerful bench press benchmark? request
      2. Chukcha
        Chukcha 30 January 2017 11: 19
        +3
        Somewhere at the beginning of the show it is clearly visible that when releasing the grip on the front wheel at the time of launch, the aircraft begins to "jump". So knock on helmets.
      3. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 30 January 2017 11: 58
        +2
        Quote: Azim77
        Why are they so jumping on takeoff? Shouldn't there be even acceleration pressing against the chair?

        When you give the car a gas, doesn't the hood rise? You see here the moment of forces is such that when releasing the brake of the steam catapult, the nose twitches. And I didn’t notice something critical head hits, I saw shaking (by nature, I didn’t feel it like that). Gorazd pilots-decks experience heavy loads when landing, met even before detachment of the retina (for which I bought, I sold it for that).
  4. Observer2014
    Observer2014 30 January 2017 09: 27
    +7
    during takeoff, pilots beat their heads on the upper part of the cockpit, some even have helmets falling off.
    Well, that’s why you need a helmet to cover the head. Tell that the helmet for f35 is an integral part of controlling and using weapons .. What will happen to this helmet after two or three take-offs laughing In general, it certainly turns out to be interesting. When you take off this unit throws the pilot is not childish. So after three dozen hits on the lantern of the cockpit and a fool you can become laughing
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 30 January 2017 09: 40
      +24
      The main thing is not to be laughing
      1. cap
        cap 30 January 2017 10: 24
        +1
        Quote: Observer2014
        The main thing is not to be laughing


        laughing good
      2. himRa
        himRa 30 January 2017 12: 00
        +4
        Cheered thanks Observer2014 Well, they are fooling around on themselves ... GY but in every joke there is a share .... jokes lol
    2. your1970
      your1970 30 January 2017 09: 44
      +2
      For example, I can’t imagine - what kind of force there must be a blow in order to fly off. what !!!) helmet ????
      1. WUA 518
        WUA 518 30 January 2017 10: 00
        +6
        The video shows a closer look, there is not a helmet but a filter rises.
        1. bk316
          bk316 30 January 2017 10: 39
          +4
          The video shows a closer look, there is not a helmet but a filter rises.

          This is called a wizard.
          Believe me, the wizard can’t lean back like that: it doesn’t weigh anything, so when accelerating, it doesn’t really touch, who’s holding his latches for several positions, so he needs acceleration to fly through all the latches.
          In your picture, I would say that the oxygen mask was torn from the pilot (so she opened the wizard), and the chin pushed under the nose.
          1. volodimer
            volodimer 30 January 2017 11: 08
            +1
            Well, they don’t know that it is necessary to fix everything with a blue electrical tape!
          2. WUA 518
            WUA 518 30 January 2017 11: 14
            +2
            Quote: bk316
            In your picture, I would say that the oxygen mask was torn from the pilot (so she opened the wizard), and the chin pushed under the nose.

            "Jump out" of the mask with an abturator, a helmet for 400 thousand dollars, which is made according to the individual parameters of the pilot!
            1. bk316
              bk316 30 January 2017 12: 37
              +3
              Well, yes, the helmet holds on the strip, and the mask on the latch on the abturator. Could for example strip loosen, could even putting on a mask to open the clasp.
              In general, a properly fastened helmet (for $ 400000, for $ 400) does not fall off the head - rather tear off his head. But if something is wrong, then catapults are not needed.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 January 2017 09: 55
      +8
      Quote: Observer2014
      So after three dozen hits on the lantern of the cockpit and a fool you can become

      Like in a film of sorcerers ...

      I don’t know how there will be “finalized” about it, but I’m afraid so far they will refine it, either we will need to change all the helmets, or the pilots ...
      See the goal? I see! Believe in yourself? Believe! wassat
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 30 January 2017 11: 15
        +2
        Is the pilot in the seat packed, that is, he jumps with the seat? wassatIt’s hard to believe.
        1. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 30 January 2017 12: 11
          +1
          Quote: You Vlad
          Is the pilot in the seat packed, that is, he jumps with the seat? Somehow hard to believe

          Probably the pilot's seat on the F35, as on long-range wagons it is coddled. laughing You first noticed. And some commentators laugh out of great knowledge, it’s good if you just banter. You +
  5. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 30 January 2017 09: 27
    +3
    Quote: himRa
    Yes already. for the pilot, this can be fatal!

    Looks like a Russian trace ????????????????????????
    1. Smog
      Smog 30 January 2017 09: 40
      +3
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Quote: himRa
      Yes already. for the pilot, this can be fatal!

      Looks like a Russian trace ????????????????????????

      So our hackers probably hooligan fellow
  6. Masya masya
    Masya masya 30 January 2017 09: 29
    +8
    One of the users noticed that during takeoff, pilots bang their heads on the top of the cockpit, some even have helmets falling off

    Well, how can you not be dumb? according to Zadornov ... wink
  7. evil partisan
    evil partisan 30 January 2017 09: 30
    +2
    The Chinese and Japanese are definitely suitable. yes
  8. kit-kat
    kit-kat 30 January 2017 09: 31
    0
    This is more of a catapult problem.
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 30 January 2017 10: 03
      +8
      Quote: kit-kat
      This is more of a catapult problem.

      Both the catapult and the front pillar. The throw is due to the shock of the front pillar when disengaging the rear shuttle of the catapult.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 30 January 2017 10: 27
        +4
        Quote: WUA 518
        The flip is due to the operation of the shock absorber of the front strut when disengaged from the rear shuttle of the catapult.

        And I would say that the tossing is not frail ... you can certainly ulcerate about this for a long time, but in the case, if the pilot makes three or four take-offs, his ringing in his head will not be weak ... or even more serious.
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 30 January 2017 10: 57
        +1
        Quote: WUA 518
        Both the catapult and the front pillar. The throw is due to the shock of the front pillar when disengaging the rear shuttle of the catapult.

        .... hardly a front pillar, just look at the mass ratio, they are incommensurable. Then the shock absorber - from the word depreciate - smooth, i.e. retarding link.

        The reason, most likely, is the "imbalance" and inconsistency of the parameters of the disengaged masses and the acting forces at this moment: catapults and glider.
      3. Azim77
        Azim77 30 January 2017 11: 06
        +2
        The shock absorber of the front pillar and the pillar itself should behave in this way. Here the problem is precisely in the design of the catapult - during take-off, due to the holding of the rear hook and tension of the catapult, squatting on the front strut occurs and at the moment of disengagement it harmfully “springs”.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 30 January 2017 13: 40
          +2
          Quote: Azim77
          The shock absorber of the front pillar and the pillar itself should behave in this way.

          And to beat the head against the lantern, was that also the way it should be? F-35 is a very expensive toy and at the price of service, hours of flight, etc., the pilot should essentially feel in it like in a Mercedes with a very soft suspension.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 January 2017 09: 33
    +4
    Obviously, the laws of physics do not apply to American pilots. When they kill a few, they will probably think how to rectify the situation. In the meantime, steadfastly bear all the hardships and deprivations of military service.
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 30 January 2017 09: 47
      +4
      will think how to fix the situation.

      as I understand it ... thinking is not their element ... wink
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 30 January 2017 09: 50
        +1
        They think they are thinking, but in fact they count money in their pocket.
        1. Masya masya
          Masya masya 30 January 2017 10: 23
          +4
          they think what they think ... really don't think !!! they will see it and it only seems ... wink
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 30 January 2017 12: 16
      +4
      Pilots of naval aviation are the most injured of all.
      As when taking off from a catapult, and when braking with an aerofinisher
      the pilot is hit hard. Spine, neck in danger.
      You can reduce this either by improving (depreciation) of the pilot’s seat or
      setting up the catapult and aerofinisher for each type of aircraft.
      It seems that in the electric catapult of future Ford, regulation is more flexible.
      1. Parsec
        Parsec 30 January 2017 12: 21
        +1
        Not a single depreciation will exclude negative accelerations. The main problem for pilots of ship-based aircraft is the threat of retinal detachment.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 30 January 2017 13: 45
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        the pilot is hit hard. Spine, neck in danger.

        When landing, yes, I agree ... but when taking off ... of course you can push everything to the trauma of sea pilots, but something tells me that these blows to the lantern were not expected when the aircraft was being developed.
        In addition, an interesting question is, how will the helmet electronics behave after 5-10 such hits? I'm not talking about more. And this is all taking into account the fact that each helmet is individual, and in fact a piece of work, not a conveyor belt.
  10. Maz
    Maz 30 January 2017 09: 51
    +3
    Jews are smart, they have no aircraft carriers.
  11. dimogen
    dimogen 30 January 2017 10: 10
    +6
    The people .. And what are we laughing at then. We do not need to laugh, but catch up. The light filter threw up at one of the pilots - is it that we have already won the third world war? This machine will become the most numerous representative of 5 generation fighter jets, already understandable. They will fill the cones, the jambs will correct.

    PS 34-ka, too, did not start so hot, but became the most massive tank of the Second World War.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 January 2017 13: 55
      +3
      Quote: dimogen
      We do not need to laugh, but catch up.

      Well, yes ... there is one maaaalenkaya little problem, it is necessary to quickly plan the aircraft carrier and develop a deck ...
      Quote: dimogen
      The light filter threw up at one of the pilots - is it that we have already won the third world war?

      It's not about the light filter, but the conversation is about the pilot’s blows on the fighter’s flashlight. Despite the fact that the helmet itself is crammed to the full with electronics, it is made individually for each pilot, and stands like a good house. And now the question is, what will happen to this helmet after 5-10-20 flights? The blow is not weak. I'm not saying what the pilot is experiencing.
      Quote: dimogen
      This machine will become the most numerous representative of 5 generation fighter jets, already understandable.

      We'll wait and see ... the F-35 is being finalized, especially the decked version has been around for quite some time. At the same time, while eliminating some problems, for some reason others pop up.
      1. jonhr
        jonhr 31 January 2017 12: 12
        0
        no punches there. the pilots are pulling their heads, that’s all and I don’t know the person who, with such overloads, will keep his head fixed. there another head fits between the flashlight and the pilot’s head. as far as I remember this bad plane didn’t land two years ago, and everyone was joyfully shouting that money would be rolled into the pipe and the program. turned off?
  12. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 30 January 2017 10: 17
    +7
    "that when taking off, pilots bang their heads on the top of the cockpit, some even have helmets falling off"
    Well, where in the video do pilots bang their heads on the top of the cockpit?
    Where do helmets fall off?
    One foolish write, others rejoice without looking at the video.
    1. bk316
      bk316 30 January 2017 11: 38
      +2
      Where do helmets fall off?

      Well, they don’t subside, but when the wizard opened, the helmet tore off the mask and pulled off the back of the head and the projectors shine not in the eye but in the dark - there’s not much difference.
  13. Serzh_R
    Serzh_R 30 January 2017 10: 22
    +3
    And there are no problems with F35, and the pilots with him too!
    One in the video for the cable did not catch and did not fall from the deck, on the afterburner went to the second round.
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 30 January 2017 10: 31
      +3
      If ours hadn’t caught on the cable on the forge, then he would have left on the afterburner. But if he has already greatly slowed down by the cable and then the cable breaks, then nothing will help.
  14. Shuttle
    Shuttle 30 January 2017 10: 30
    +1
    It twitches apparently because the front strut has a very large stroke. Great move because it is heavy and located high. A very tightly packed airplane is visible. Perhaps that’s why he has such problems. It should be extremely time-consuming to maintain. It happens with all universal things. Take at least the iPhone. He and the phone is not the best in the world, and the MP3 player is not the very best, and like a tablet, it’s also not ale. But together, many like it. With any technique like that. The Americans clearly miscalculated creating a universal Swiss knife. After all, a combat aircraft is not a dollar to please the people. He must perform tasks. And Soviet / Russian designers guessed with Avionics Mig-29. A beautiful plane turned out - even with the appearance of pumped, lean, predatory. Not like this F-35. Just some sparrows.
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 30 January 2017 10: 41
      0
      I agree, only avionics is the electrical equipment of the aircraft.
      1. Shuttle
        Shuttle 31 January 2017 15: 22
        0
        Quote: _Ugene_
        I agree, only avionics is the electrical equipment of the aircraft.

        Sorry, I'm generally an amateur in aviation. Another type of troops, i.e. :)
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 30 January 2017 11: 09
      +6
      "A beautiful plane turned out [MiG-29] - even with the appearance of pumped, lean, predatory.
      Not like this F-35. Right some sparrows "////

      Your post is interesting, as regards the front pillar during ejection take-off.

      As for the fever, it ended with the appearance of internal
      compartments for bombs and missiles instead of only external ones. 5th generation aircraft
      as if "pregnant" with their weapons. Hotness is no longer obtained.
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 30 January 2017 11: 26
        +2
        Yes, but PAX does not look pregnant
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 30 January 2017 11: 45
          +6
          So F-22 - too. There, the compartment, as in PAK-FA, is hidden between two
          engines. And the F-35 has two compartments on the sides of one engine.
          In any case, this is a spectator perception, a fashion for beauty, if
          so to speak. Once the biplanes seemed the height of grace.
          Then my heart sank from La-5 or Spitfaer ... ah ... etc.
          In Israel, the F-4 Phantom seemed handsome to people, and in the USSR, it was a freak.
          What the eye gets used to, plus "its own", it begins to seem beautiful.
          1. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 30 January 2017 11: 56
            +1
            F-22 is also pregnant, a little smaller
            1. kirgiz58
              kirgiz58 30 January 2017 12: 17
              +1
              Quote: _Ugene_
              F-22 is also pregnant, a little smaller

              You can't be less pregnant, it's just an early date. wassat
    3. jonhr
      jonhr 31 January 2017 15: 50
      0
      Do you have accurate information on how 35 does it? only with accurate data can we draw any conclusions. There’s a video where the bomb falls into the sea container and right in the center, but it was basically designed specifically as a drummer with the ability to conduct air combat. and in no way can the technology of this aircraft be taken into account with an all-round view and the ability to exchange information not only with 35, but also with ground-based equipment. and after all, this is for the most part the biggest requirement for a 5th generation airplane. the raptor appeared earlier and the raptor exceeds 35 according to flight data, but the raptor loses according to avionics
  15. Altona
    Altona 30 January 2017 11: 40
    0
    Yes, still good, keep up the good work guys. Just think, a little confusion hurts, but a semi-virtual helmet banged on the glass.
  16. Bursan
    Bursan 30 January 2017 12: 00
    0
    on 0,44 attached video! this is the first time I rode a roller coaster :) the pilot seems to be as scared as I was then)) the poor fellow grabbed the cockpit with his hands and curses the entire American aircraft industry laughing
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 30 January 2017 12: 19
      +5
      That you just noticed! But fear has nothing to do with it.
      On all types of aircraft on aircraft carriers there is a strict rule: pilot
      must show the dispatcher their hands (that they are NOT at the helm).
      Only then permission to take off is given. So they put their hands on
      the edges of the cab so that it is noticeable from the outside.
      1. Bursan
        Bursan 30 January 2017 12: 26
        +1
        Indeed, I looked closely - everyone does it repeat . Thanks for the interesting information! didn't know about it smile . What is ours, what is theirs - the work of deck pilots is not a gift for health.
        1. Bursan
          Bursan 30 January 2017 12: 45
          +2
          Perhaps soon pilots will be offered a system similar to the one used in car racing to take the load off the neck when braking and cornering (HANS). The truth of the matter is that you won’t really turn your head with such a joke, and the pilot needs maximum visibility.
      2. jonhr
        jonhr 31 January 2017 15: 51
        0
        there are even special handles for which the pilot must hold during the catapult take-off
  17. Rabinowicz
    Rabinowicz 30 January 2017 12: 03
    0
    It is interesting to look at aircraft carriers; there is something enticing in them.
  18. Bronevick
    Bronevick 30 January 2017 12: 18
    +1
    They are not afraid that their finisher is fucking? The plane comes in for landing, and they stand under it.
  19. pts-m
    pts-m 30 January 2017 12: 18
    0
    It’s time for the pendos to change the steam catapult for what the kid shoots at the banks and everything that flies ... a powerful slingshot can throw a pendos plane even on the moon ...
  20. MMX
    MMX 30 January 2017 12: 19
    +2
    Nothing terrible happened. There is a problem (this is clearly visible), but it can be solved ... somewhere else 100-200 billion dollars from the budget will be shaken so much.
  21. Berkut24
    Berkut24 30 January 2017 12: 27
    +1
    This is an analgesic damage before overload at startup.
  22. Vitalson
    Vitalson 30 January 2017 12: 33
    0
    Yes x .... with these Kim pilots, it would be better to talk about the problems of our aircraft, as it so happened that Admiral Kuznetsov drowned several fighters.
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 30 January 2017 12: 35
      +1
      Well, you, this is not patriotic, it’s better we will laugh at the F-35, although not in the case.
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit 30 January 2017 13: 18
      0
      At Admiral Kuznetsov, the fighters drowned not because they are bad, but because of the lack of experience in operating aircraft carriers in combat conditions. Well, one of the commanders "laughed." So do not interfere all together, this is another topic for discussion.
      1. Vitalson
        Vitalson 30 January 2017 13: 19
        0
        Yes, I understand that they are writing off old planes.
  23. Orionvit
    Orionvit 30 January 2017 13: 14
    0
    Quote: Alex_1973
    In general, the mattresses of course will eventually bring him to mind,

    How can you bring to mind a concept that was originally a dead end? And the Swiss and the reaper, and, and all in one bottle. Maybe technology from Hollywood is possible, but in reality, even Trump already understood everything.
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 January 2017 13: 29
    0
    Yes, everything is fine. I personally support the continuation of this program.
    It’s necessary to gradually find and correct all errors,
    not the time to stop and abandon such an advanced project.
    Sarcasm, if that.)))
  25. Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 30 January 2017 13: 30
    +2
    An empty aircraft with a minimum fuel supply and without weapons, in the examples given. About excessive vibrations of the A-pillar when starting from the catapult: "... the Executive Director, Lieutenant General Christopher Bogdan, told reporters during a round table on December 19 at his office in Arlington, Virginia," there is no doubt, "his team will find a solution to the nose landing gear . "
    “However, he emphasized that“ the only time this is a problem for Model C is very light weight. (during test flights with min. fuel and without weapons) With moderate and heavy weight you do not observe this problem at all. "
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 30 January 2017 14: 07
      +1
      Did you solve the problem of short hook when landing?
      Previously, it was because of this that the F-35 marine version was “slowed down”.
      1. Oleg7700
        Oleg7700 30 January 2017 21: 45
        +2
        Yes, there is a video of landings with a slightly altered form of "beak lowered to the deck." The second, rarely the third cable, catches without problems, like the F-18. His abrasion in contact with the deck probably increased, well, they monitor and serve much more serious moments, the cable and the plane itself.
  26. Bradley
    Bradley 30 January 2017 14: 05
    0
    The "problem" is called - inertia! It is solved by tight fixation of the body.
    Lol, this troubles are not only among Americans, but all over the world (physics, as it were), including ours.
    1. MMX
      MMX 30 January 2017 18: 53
      0
      Quote: Bradley
      The "problem" is called - inertia! It is solved by tight fixation of the body.
      Lol, this troubles are not only among Americans, but all over the world (physics, as it were), including ours.


      And here above the comrade quoted:
      Chief Executive Lieutenant-General Christopher Bogdan told reporters during a roundtable on December 19 at his office in Arlington, Virginia, "there is no doubt," his team will find a solution to the nose landing gear. "


      You see, they say that the "problem" "as if physicists" will solve. For very real dollars, of course (economy, as it were) ...
  27. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 30 January 2017 14: 32
    0
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Avis

    Israel does not need a catapult launch.

    We need to learn. I hope next year our people will fly.

    A video of the participation of promising stealth fifth-generation F-35 multi-role fighters in the American Red Flag exercises appeared on the network. The video is published on the Military Zone YouTube channel.
    Exercises of the Red Flag series have been held by the United States with the participation of foreign countries annually since 1975 at the Nellis air bases in Nevada and Eyelson in Alaska. The exercises are held several times a year and last on average about two weeks.


    [media = https: //youtu.be/kc8EAo71EN4]
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  29. rplay
    rplay 30 January 2017 15: 21
    +3
    Specially restored password from the site! In order to comment on the next "F35 non-flying." They have: USA - 75 F-35A, 39 F-35B, 17 F-35C as of 2016. And LE-TA-JSCH! We have: "ground tests of the second stage engines for PAK FA have been completed!
    1. himRa
      himRa 30 January 2017 18: 58
      +2
  30. neoshef
    neoshef 30 January 2017 19: 58
    0
    I don’t know how they will prove themselves in business, but for the money ...
  31. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 30 January 2017 21: 13
    0
    Spend another billion ..
  32. arnulla
    arnulla 31 January 2017 12: 34
    0
    Of course we can fast and laugh at the F-35C ... Does it make us feel better? That's it ..
  33. commbatant
    commbatant 31 January 2017 21: 07
    0
    because they didn’t cooperate with our Roscosmos and Skolkovo, for our $ 400 billion, with our assistance, bulk safes would fly ...
  34. Romanenko
    Romanenko 8 February 2017 20: 41
    +1
    I don’t know what the big-eyed couch pilots examined there, but the fact that it’s high time to take the 35th as a really created airplane with definitely good take-off and landing characteristics, at least in the deck version, seriously, so it probably didn’t reach everyone . It’s a normal car, and you can fly on it, it means they will fly and fight, if necessary, and engage in cap-hatchery such as hate to us ... it's silly, they have already shouted "if there is a war tomorrow, if tomorrow a campaign ...." always ended sadly. Dear sofas, good! The states made this plane and will bring it to mind sooner or later, and so, sometimes we realize too late that we too early began to consider ourselves the coolest.
    Calm down and begin to identify the advantages of the F-35, there are a lot of them, and look for the shortcomings in our technology, they are also enough. We are also not all five.