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Why is it customary in Russia to wipe your feet on your soldiers?

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To be objective, this practice has long been inherent in our state. That is, take the oath, take weapon and you have the right to go to fulfill your duty to the Motherland, even if you have to perform far from the borders of your country, but getting at least something for it is more difficult.


Why is it customary in Russia to wipe your feet on your soldiers?


I don’t even speak about “ikhtamnetah” now, although we also try to get information about them from time to time. I am about those who officially defended the interests of our country. From “Afghans” to “Abkhazians”. With the "Syrians", thank God, there seems to be no such problems.

Everything is more or less clear with the “Afghans”. At one time, many media outlets tried to depict this category of soldiers as complete scumbags, drug addicts, who were eligible only for replenishing the ranks of the criminals. Diligently spat upon generation. And only after 20 years, the “Afghans” received at least some positive recognition.

All my life I was puzzled by the moment when you have no right to buy vodka, and to protect the interests of the country with a weapon is completely. And nothing for you will not be. No fame, no recognition, no material wealth. Nothing.

Over time, something changed. The approach has changed, even the laws have changed. But not always for the better.

Write this article I finally prompted the report in the program "Postscript". Who cares in detail, look from 14 minutes. Who is not interested - I will write in two words.



A certain number of officers who performed their peacekeeping duty in Abkhazia, according to the law, sued 35 US dollars per day. Yes, the phrase “judged according to the law” sounds outright idiotic, but this is Russia ...

The money they paid. I am sure that almost everyone, like the hero of the report, Andrei Yashin, did not rush to buy his jeeps. And bought an apartment. A year later, quietly, the sentence was canceled, and after 14 years, the Ministry of Defense happily reported that the traveling officers were charged wrong. And they must be returned. Collect money, sell apartments, bought for illegally obtained travel allowances, but loot - to the cashier.

And now this situation will be considered by the Supreme Court.

From the heart, sometimes from the meanness of our state, hatred overwhelms. To steal billions and not to jail for years on 15 - this is normal here. To serve it on the territory of another state and to get nothing for it, too.

Nobody says that if you performed your duty abroad, you should be showered with gold and diamonds. But to take away from a person what he has rightfully received is despicable.

Especially in the performance of our Ministry of Defense. So, spending billions of rubles on a military-patriotic park that is empty for 10 months in a year is normal. At what cost, "overhead" of high-level commanders, I just keep quiet. More precisely, I will give primerchik.

Last year we shot a video about building a road bypassing Ukraine. Good stuff was, I do not argue. Together with us, the TC Zvezda group worked, which arrived along with the commander-in-chief of the railway troops. The group flew out of Moscow by plane and sat in Millerovo, Rostov Region. Then they were brought by helicopter to Kantemirovka. It is not far kilometers 120-130. The plane from Millerov flew to Rostov-on-Don, and the helicopter also went there after the shooting and distribution of the “cakes” by the commander in chief. And from Rostov-on-Don all flew by plane to Moscow.

And all this for the sake of 15 minutes of conversation with officers and 2-minute video.

Well, it's the commander in chief ... He shouldn't count money, is it? And the officer who served his service in Abkhazia also should not? Has served, remained alive - and already well? So what?

I understand if Yashin had not served in Abkhazia. It would be fraud and direct damage to the state. But he served there. And he earned money, or rather, an apartment, which the Defense Ministry is now eager to take away from him.

But in this country, everything is permitted to those at the top. Those who are lower should have served their time and continue to live in rented apartments. Comrades officers of the Soviet, and Russian times, maybe I'm wrong? Or living in a dilapidated hostel or on a removable hut cheaper - it was not a mandatory attribute that way to the captain-major? Okay, keep quiet ...

The question arises: why do we still have about people who have honestly served, and, unfortunately, have proven their right to the well-deserved by the court, you can wipe their feet, while others, gently wagging their fingers, can be left to live and live well in 13- room apartment in the center of Moscow?

Or am I again wrong, and Mrs. Vasilyeva has lost her “honestly earned” modest hat? It seems to have not lost. But this is Vasilyeva ... And who is Yashin? Starley Vedavishnik. It can be. And, as I understand, even necessary! Another in the example. To even think they did not dare that, having won theirs in the “hot spot”, they have the right to travel allowance, apartments and other benefits. It is not for them.

Otherwise, if every officer thinks that he has a right to an apartment, to which will those who are immeasurably higher than their status will drag out their existence?

You say that far from everywhere it was so hot? And in Abkhazia, just three days fought?

I will disappoint.

When we started publishing stories about “Angolans,” “Vietnamese,” “Cubans,” and other “Ikhtamnets”, I tried to talk specifically with the “Abkhazians.” Found four. Three refused to communicate at all, two still serve, they have no need for adventures on the fifth point. Only one answered, and I will simply give part of his letter, in which he, too, refused (given without proofreading; instead of maters, there are signs "*". - Ed.).

"Actually, to be honest, this is the idiocy of our state !!! After all, before the troops were brought into Ossetia and Abkhazia, our units were already there. On the territory of a foreign state. In Abkhazia, not far from the New Athos monastery, our artillery battery stood in 2004 !!! BATTERY UNDERSTAND !!!! Under UFO (This is a village on the border with Georgia) stood tank division. On the border with Ossetia there was an infantry division! DIVISION!!!!! All this stood on the territory of Abkhazia !!! That is, it turns out that our troops were in the territory of someone else !!!! state and everyone was silent !!!! Because it was beneficial to everyone !!!
And you should understand that there were no contract soldiers standing there. And now more and more facts pop up about it. And you yourself understand that the war did not start right one day. Well, it sounds strange agree! And the clashes (combat) were before 08.08.08., It was just not profitable for our government to say that our troops were there. We see this now in Ukraine. Exactly the same scenario.
And I generally served with a white stripe on his helmet. I'll send a photo of schA. We were peacekeepers. Without chevrons and identification marks. And I am sure that you used this trick in ****. If you get hit, the hell knows who you are. So with 2005, there were clashes between our troops (in which the hodgepodge mainly served), but these were local conflicts. Well, like trying to cross the border or how Ufo from artillery covered. And everyone says the Georgian-Ossetian conflict ....

Sorry for the mat. ******! From Georgia, three settlements were bombed by art. Just suddenly shells began to fly into the territory of Abkhazia. The blow was struck on the territory of the New Athos monastery. And all this in 2005. Do you know who cleaned the corridor on a padded art by hitting a tank, in which even the tower did not turn? Fucking conscript. Which got out of the padded tank and shot Kalash from the house. And then he realized that the village *****, jumped into the tank and, like a tractor, punched a corridor for the retreat of the civilian population.

But nobody will tell you this.

Because there were no our troops in 2005 year there. And how did our 405-I make the sweep of highlands art blows? And how the whole caravan "Hummers" smashed, which carried the infantry, and how covered a warehouse full of American rifles ... But no. Everyone knows only one thing. Russia sent troops to 2008. And before that there was no war. Was. And she was more fearful ...

And I was there, honey-beer drank. And the state never admits that military operations were conducted there. The state is not profitable. There was no war there until 2008 was there, and that’s it. And the zinc, which was sent from there, went through parts on the territory of the Russian Federation under any pretexts. I really don't know what they were inventing there. I know that two of my colleagues left, like those who died at the exercises by ridiculous chance at some training ground, or near Pskov ... well, I don’t remember, kill me. But the fact of fraud on the face.

You say readers will poke around on the Internet looking for information? Yes, hell they will find. Or find another ***** our country. Do you believe that the war began on 08.08.08 and ended in 6 days ??? Tell me honestly, YOU OFFICER, do you believe in it?

Today I was thinking all day about my offer and your details. And I understood again. That our country ***** on the soldiers. Yes, I think it always has been. History winners write. BUT! Here are the facts. All movements of the Georgian troops were carried out on American technology. I personally saw the caravan "Hummers", which we art fire and covered. When viewed (well, it was true two days later) found a bunch of American rifles. I LOT !!!! All were handed over to the command. The warehouses that the infantry was cleaning were full of boxes ... And guess with whose weapon !!! Well, etc. etc.

You know ... I analyzed your words and realized that I really have nothing to tell you. And this is not my fault. This is the fault of our state. But on the other hand, our troops 08.08.2008 heroically entered the territory of a foreign state and won almost without loss !!!!

And the fact that before that for almost three years they were cleaning the border areas, the fact that the 19 summer boys with fraudulent writing were sent home in iron boxes, that the equipment was left there until the mother's ***** nobody will tell you. And you will not find anything on the Internet about this. You are an officer! And I must understand that it was impossible to win that war in 6 days. WELL IMPOSSIBLE !!!! If it were not for us before. Well, something like this. Consider it my cry of the soul. Consider that I shout from injustice. Although ... I'm alive. This is not bad.

Photo, I'm sorry, I will not publish. As well as telling where and how this man served in Abkhazia. Served Was injured. Has rewards. He considers himself lucky. But after Abkhazia, the army said goodbye.

I don’t know how many are in the country, how many are in our country, on the “Review”. I know that there is. And I am sorry that these people are silent, although I absolutely recognize this right for them. Meanwhile, they are worthy of recognition of their merits in the performance of their duty, and the material evidence of this.

At the end, regarding Senior Lieutenant Yashin, I want to say one thing. At the beginning of the article I used the word "meanness", now I repeat. Comrade Defense Minister, respected Sergei Kuzhugetovich, the ministry you are leading creates a meanness towards Russian soldiers.

I understand that all their fault is that they dared to get what is due to them according to the law. And now, according to a different law, you (as this is your ministry) are trying to rob them. Because it is only Russian soldiers. Who just fulfilled their duty and survived.

Why do you have to do this to soldiers? No other savings?

But would it not be better to confiscate the loot from the thieves of the Ministry of Defense? Not? Or maybe it is worthwhile to bring savings in other places? By the way, I was impressed by the motorcade of the Minister of Defense at the opening of ARMY-2016. There were only 9 machines. Each one is worth several times more than the apartment of the unfortunate starley. I don’t know who these young people of the 30-35 were in iridescent suits and expensive ties that fell out of these cars with flashing lights, but maybe the Russian-assembled Toyota-Camry will replace the Audi A8 or the Mercedes- 600?

But saving SO on Russian soldiers is an obvious meanness.
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  1. tasha
    tasha 30 January 2017 06: 32
    +28
    Novel, they raised a difficult topic. Aren't you afraid that you will now be signed up for liberals? "Politically argue ..."

    For example, the T-90 tank costs about 3mln. dollars, about 100 apartments in an average city. And this tank is being delivered somewhere to someone and there it is being destroyed by someone else. 100 apartments, Roman ...

    And who said this world is fair?

    By the quality of the article. A lot of emotions. Dry military language would be clearer, more accessible, more intelligible ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 30 January 2017 06: 36
      +28
      The fact is egregious, but there is very little information to draw a definite conclusion! Most likely, the Military Prosecutor’s Office was engaged in the verification - they spent about three years checking all the materials on business trips and a simple lieutenant of justice, far from the army, like the South Pole from the North, to dig up a bun from the authorities for zeal, I dug up that some order was missing, an extract or a comma is not there ... The clerk, who is representing all this and did not delve into it, went to court right there, so the same “bratsun” for justice went and went ... Moreover, at that time it was very bad with the fundamental documents on the part of the state - where did they send whom, command, why? It must be done, it must be ... Yes, I also want to say what happens when the "national interests" are a little at odds with the possibility of legislatively arranging them ... In this case, of course, even if there are some shoals, the case must be definitely closed! And the public should follow this ... Because if they throw the guys to their own devices and can be closed, they are not Vasiliev, who is for the multi-billion-dollar theft, it’s good that the order was not given for “Merit to the Fatherland” ...
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 30 January 2017 09: 31
        +16
        I agree with you: alas, we often have cases when a person was in battle, but there are no supporting documents. He knew a man without a hand: he served in Central Asia in 1973, and there was a “friendship of peoples”, someone grenade out the window. The man was left without a hand, and the documents said, "had an accident, he is a driver, out of ignorance of local roads."
        And Chernobyl: they hastily sent the guys there, but someone forgot to mention in the documents and ...
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 30 January 2017 10: 26
        +24
        How good, how fresh the roses will be, my country has thrown me into the grave. I remember this phrase from the first year, it’s a pity that not horseradish does not change.
        Respect to the author, we need to talk about this and we need to call nettle seed to account. Frankly: I can’t imagine how to call them to account, I’m probably discussing this situation in the press, so that the prosecutors are in the know and ready. I'd like to hope that everything will change for the better
        1. AUL
          AUL 30 January 2017 12: 20
          +18
          Serdyukov left, but remained angry ... The most annoying thing is that Kuzhugetovich seems to be starting to slowly get angry. He is unlikely to be aware of this situation!
          1. ancient
            ancient 30 January 2017 14: 10
            +8
            Quote: AUL
            Serdyukov left


            Yeah .. I came (tired, understand) to sell furniture) I’ll go as well as “command”, and WHAT? wassat
        2. ancient
          ancient 30 January 2017 14: 09
          +14
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          Respect to the author, we need to talk about this and we need to call nettle seed to account. Frankly: I can’t imagine how to call them to account, I’m probably discussing this situation in the press, so that the prosecutors are in the know and ready. I'd like to hope that everything will change for the better


          1. To the author in general .... RESPECT ... if I honestly admit from anyone, but from Roman ... I did not expect such an article request
          2. How are you going to call the deity accountable? belay
          3. In what press ????? lol
          4. Well, about the "prosecutor" ... no words .... it’s immediately clear that you don’t know where Russia is such a country lol
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 31 January 2017 19: 34
            +9
            ancientif you are able to offer something, offer. Smilikov sculpting is not an intricate matter. Continue to feed "nettle seed" and you will "succeed", good luck.
            About geography, I don’t even know what to tell you. Take a word, I know perfectly where is such a country Russia, studied well at school, and especially with the system, so don’t worry.
            Hi, smile.
            1. rpek32
              rpek32 1 February 2017 02: 38
              +3
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              ancient, if you are able to offer something, offer.

              I don’t know who these young people of 30-35 years old were in shimmering suits and expensive ties that fell out of these cars with flashing lights, but maybe the Toyota-Camry of the Russian assembly will suit them instead of the Audi A8 or Mercedes- 600 "?


              I suggest: to transfer all this whistleblower from Mercians to “Vesta” and “patriots,” to send the freed loot to the military to buy housing. great offer
              1. Severok
                Severok 2 February 2017 20: 59
                +3
                Naivety ... In the city of N, in the \\ ABCD \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 's case, the boss drives two Kruzak, how much do you think is allocated for the maintenance, spare parts and repair of the entire fleet of this military unit (over 50 units) and how much is allocated for these two Kruzak for the entire 17th year !? 100 rubles and almost 000 rubles, respectively.
                Do you think this boss can be called an officer who has a sense of honor after the drivers of the entire park were announced that: “it would be nice if you bought small consumables and spare parts for your money” ???
        3. lukewarm
          lukewarm 31 January 2017 13: 16
          +2
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          How nice, how fresh the roses will be, my country thrown to me in a coffin

          Alas. Now you can’t even get it
      3. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 30 January 2017 10: 40
        +32
        Quote: Finches
        In this case, of course, even if there are some shoals here, the case must be definitely closed! And the public to monitor this ...


        I am ready to argue that we will hear nothing more about this matter. The public does not recognize the names of those "heroes" who are trying to take apartments from officers. The officers themselves are likely to be forced to write a report "of their own accord." Well, again, quiet, smooth, God's grace and triumphant reports.

        The secret is simple - power does not depend on the people. She is not accountable to the people. And it has no restrictions on lawlessness. As long as people do not organize themselves and do not begin to defend their rights, any smallest clerk will feel unpunished, and any smallest gangster will be able to terrorize the whole district. And when these clerk and gangster become friends, the local people can only sympathize.
        1. jjj
          jjj 30 January 2017 11: 05
          +10
          It is embarrassing how in the given letter the writer writes easily with the divisions. In our time, there were also figures who started letters home with the words: "I am writing on the boot of a murdered comrade ..." And the fireman himself overcame all "hardships and deprivations"
          1. activator
            activator 30 January 2017 12: 06
            +9
            Quote: jjj
            It is embarrassing how in the given letter the writer writes easily with the divisions.

            That's how many xs divisions are there, but an acquaintance from the eagle just passed the term in Abkhazia in 2005 and told about it, the first night in the unit and immediately shelling, and they are running with shorthauds for no reason, then about the burnt beta with demobilization. In short, the service was too bad for health.
            1. 181msp
              181msp 1 February 2017 20: 29
              +1
              Yes, yes ... The acquaintance from Orel is certainly a serious authority, moreover, as stated by a resident of Schenevmerla
        2. Standard
          Standard 30 January 2017 18: 32
          0
          Quote: Hlavaty
          And when these clerk and bandit make friends, then local residents can only sympathize.

          So - historically it is precisely on such occasions that the armed forces are created.
          Cultivate the warriors. And so on.
      4. lukewarm
        lukewarm 31 January 2017 13: 14
        +1
        Maybe they did. Secretly. For success in the collapse of the "heavy" Soviet heritage and the initiative and entrepreneurial "talent" shown
    2. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket 30 January 2017 06: 37
      +21
      Unfortunately, such disgrace is not only for the military. We are wide-hearted, but the reverse side of this coin is callousness .... But topics like this still need to be raised ... Drop by drop the stone wears away. Something is already changing, something will change. And to keep silent is always easier ...
      1. tasha
        tasha 30 January 2017 06: 44
        +6
        It seems to me that Roman should have conducted a journalistic investigation, collected the facts and calmly set them out.
        1. ancient
          ancient 30 January 2017 09: 29
          +15
          Quote: tasha
          It seems to me that Roman should have conducted a journalistic investigation, collected the facts and calmly set them out.


          What is a "journalistic investigation" ???? Against you know who or you naively or urya-patriotism think that "the fish rots exclusively from the .... tail" wassat
          1. tasha
            tasha 30 January 2017 09: 32
            +3
            Be careful with the tags, please ...
            On this specific fact set forth in the article, regarding the return of accrued travel allowance.
            1. ancient
              ancient 30 January 2017 13: 34
              +3
              Quote: tasha
              Be careful with the tags, please ...


              And what is the label "Urya-patriotism" bad? Just now in trend !!! wassat
              Just what a post, such a definition for him bully
              Nothing personal .. just the facts (or what you wrote) soldier
          2. Tambov Wolf
            Tambov Wolf 30 January 2017 11: 17
            +12
            So here it is wide to write criticism of the one whom the liberal rulers will show. And no one writes about the most important liberal, they are afraid, as if something. Although everything in the country depends on him and he is responsible for everything. As a guarantor and performer. How hesitated with the party line, they are still hesitating. And interestingly, the fluctuations are more and more.
            1. Standard
              Standard 30 January 2017 18: 30
              +1
              Quote: Tambov Wolf
              And no one writes about the most important liberal, they are afraid

              Unfortunately, only Medvedev-bulk-Kasyanov will replace him. Do you need it?
              1. Tambov Wolf
                Tambov Wolf 30 January 2017 21: 36
                +1
                And why is Shoigu or the same Kadyrov worse? In my opinion, not liberals will be even tougher, which is the most important thing.
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 30 January 2017 21: 42
                0
                Well, what are you, there is still Rogozin-Sands-Kiriyenko.
                1. Tambov Wolf
                  Tambov Wolf 31 January 2017 10: 01
                  0
                  Well, for you, Misha has 2%.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 31 January 2017 20: 25
                    0
                    Did not catch the humor
      2. cap
        cap 30 January 2017 07: 02
        +7
        Quote: Russian quilted jacket
        Unfortunately, such disgrace is not only for the military. We are wide-hearted, but the reverse side of this coin is callousness .... But topics like this still need to be raised ... Drop by drop the stone wears away. Something is already changing, something will change. And to keep silent is always easier ...


        Fathers commanders sometimes simply “forget” to draw up documents correctly, and maybe unspoken instructions are passed in order to “save” and cover someone’s fifth point, for a load of 200, unfortunately this happened. I think that the court will make an adequate decision. Since they said "a" and say "b", wait and see.
        On this subject, I recalled the words of the commander (from the Soviet time anecdote), who, having missed the soldier in the unit, called the chief of staff and said:
        "Well, let's make it as if we didn’t have it at all ..."
        1. Skeptic Self-Taught
          Skeptic Self-Taught 30 January 2017 08: 34
          +15
          cap
          The court will make such a decision, which he will be told. No need to sing war songs about the "independence of the courts."
          1. cap
            cap 30 January 2017 08: 49
            +8
            Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
            cap
            The court will make such a decision, which he will be told. No need to sing war songs about the "independence of the courts."


            I wrote the truth for a long time, I will repeat for you.
            Your humble servant as a plaintiff won 3 (three) courts against the PF of the Russian Federation, two of them went through an appeal hearing in a higher court, so the words about the song do not suit me, on the contrary, it’s worth counting how many times the lawyer put candles in my honor "for the repose of the soul." laughing
            1. Skeptic Self-Taught
              Skeptic Self-Taught 30 January 2017 08: 55
              +7
              So you're just really lucky.
              I have experience with a different sign.
              1. cap
                cap 30 January 2017 09: 19
                +9
                Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
                So you're just really lucky.
                I have experience with a different sign.


                It was lucky, not quite the word, I had to study the law better than a lawyer who considered herself an unquestioned authority. I thought that my grandfather without a lawyer was an empty place, this killed her. I lost the cases opened by my applications, the head of the pension department was removed from her post, which now working, but already an ordinary clerk.
                That something like this.
              2. Navigator Basov
                Navigator Basov 5 February 2017 00: 05
                0
                Lucky with the brain, yeah, God put in time, just in heaven there was an action. Usually it’s the other way around: a whiner sits, and achs, what laws are bad, which minister is bad, which state is bad, only the sofa is good - you can’t tear your ass off!
            2. stas
              stas 1 February 2017 19: 26
              0
              Kep, and you boast boastful, already put the float of the academy on display. Apparently a political worker worked in the sweat of his face.
              1. cap
                cap 1 February 2017 19: 48
                +2
                Quote: stas
                Kep, and you boast boastful, already put the float of the academy on display. Apparently a political worker worked in the sweat of his face.


                Worked in a sweat, that's for sure. But not a political officer. As for the badge of graduation from the Higher School of Higher Education, I am proud of it and nothing more. I do not like silly images, and I have to write about serious things. So you probably don’t have to listen to reproaches about non-professionalism. I didn’t like the sidekick, as it was not appropriate for the moment. There is a choice.
                Synonyms sidekick
                friend, comrade, kent, drugan, friendship.
              2. Bath
                Bath 3 February 2017 11: 14
                0
                Yes, all of this is certainly correct, but will it give a slave a rise? not for that we have the Ministry of Internal Affairs more than the staff of the Ministry of Defense was Schaub to all the paratroopers of the apartment, but the military gave an ideal for the authorities, he rattled at his work for 40 years and died on retirement so that resources were not wasted
        2. ancient
          ancient 30 January 2017 09: 34
          +3
          Quote: cap
          Fathers commanders sometimes simply “forget” to draw up documents correctly,


          Fathers commanders (commander-in-chiefs) simply declare that "mine were not there, everyone was on potatoes wassat
      3. CONTROL
        CONTROL 30 January 2017 08: 09
        +3
        Quote: Russian quilted jacket
        Unfortunately, such disgrace is not only for the military. We are wide-hearted, but the flip side of this coin is callousness ....

        ... officials - a special subspecies of homo! ... The king grants, but the kennel not favor! Therefore, we are looking for justice "higher": how many former retired officers became priests?! ...
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 31 January 2017 02: 22
          +2
          CONTROL

          Forgotten people DEBT, then become either philosophers or priests.
          It all comes down to moral values.
      4. Alikos
        Alikos 30 January 2017 08: 11
        +16
        Quote: Russian quilted jacket
        Unfortunately, such disgrace is not only for the military. We are wide-hearted, but the reverse side of this coin is callousness .... But topics like this still need to be raised ... Drop by drop the stone wears away. Something is already changing, something will change. And to keep silent is always easier ...

        The attitude of the authorities towards ordinary people is generally disgusting and to officers without simple connections in particular. Trading and usury rule in all areas
        1. tasha
          tasha 30 January 2017 08: 46
          0
          It’s not easy what comment you got. Officers with no connections suffer from the abhorrent attitude of the authorities, and the merchants and usurers are to blame?
        2. Suhow
          Suhow 1 February 2017 00: 36
          0
          I think a similar situation takes place in most republics, alas, the former USSR.
      5. yuri p
        yuri p 30 January 2017 08: 26
        +10
        "but the flip side of this coin is callousness ...." .... unfortunately it is not callousness but state policy, with the beginning of the 90s, estate society was implicitly introduced in Russia, a simple people, bureaucracy of the 3-4th category district-city bureaucracy, the second category of oblast, and the first and highest category of state bureaucracy, business is also divided, the businessman has access to the body of which official, then he belongs to this category, respectively, the scale of these officials is growing, untouchability also depends on the category Indulgence from power is also given on an estate basis, i.e. the higher you sit, the less likely they are that they will be prosecuted for crimes in any field, up to and including indulgence for murders.
      6. Vasiliev Yu
        Vasiliev Yu 30 January 2017 10: 22
        +21
        I wanted to write the same thing. What does the military have to do with it? If to all the people in Russia such an attitude. You can’t strain the nouveau riche, raise taxes to them. But then it is necessary to tear more and more from the common people, because the treasury must be replenished. I understand that Putin has like-minded associates, Sechin, Peskov, etc. These `` like-minded people '' have no idea of ​​conscience, of modesty, they behave as they did at the time of the `` feast during the plague. '' What Putin is embarrassed to tell them this, our shy, or to them all his statements? The whole country collects money from SMSs for operations for children, and these raise the prestige of Russia with their dogs, and this does not bother them at all, like Peskov’s watches, they believe that everything can be done. All laws are adopted in our country for one clan, but it was not in vain that they fought against another clan of the “seven-bankers”: Potanin, Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky ... They are now winners, they want to win back inside the country while Putin rules external affairs.
        Again about the same: you can write a lot, but only with mats.
        1. Standard
          Standard 30 January 2017 18: 26
          +1
          Quote: vasiliev yu
          They are now winners, whatever they want, they will turn them around inside the country, while Putin controls foreign affairs.

          and whom did they defeat?
          But the main thing is what proposal?
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH 30 January 2017 07: 20
      +11
      By the quality of the article. A lot of emotions. Dry military language would be clearer, more accessible, more intelligible ..
      That made fun)))) You read military telegrams written
      Dry war language
      ? Personally, I grasped the meaning of the telegram after several readings. It seems that all the words are familiar, but the meaning is captured with difficulty. Such verbal turns ... Like "a woman with low social responsibility")))) If I hadn’t heard what they were talking about, I would never have guessed that it was banal ... God forgive me ...
      1. Standard
        Standard 30 January 2017 18: 24
        +1
        Quote: BecmepH
        Type "woman with low social responsibility"))))

        Still, with a "lowered ...." and not with a "low ...."
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 31 January 2017 06: 13
          +1
          Quote: Norma
          Quote: BecmepH
          Type "woman with low social responsibility"))))

          Still, with a "lowered ...." and not with a "low ...."

          Well, yes, with a reduced .... I agree, the guarantor needs to be quoted accurately.)))
        2. ivanec
          ivanec 3 February 2017 11: 51
          0
          maybe with an understated one?
    4. ancient
      ancient 30 January 2017 14: 05
      +3
      Quote: tasha
      Novel, they raised a difficult topic. Aren't you afraid that you will now be signed up for liberals? "Politically argue ..."


      Wow ... "juggle" am
      But what do you not compare how much PERSONAL BALCONIES cost for Corgi dogs or yachts- "cruisers" for newly made "narrowed" wassat
    5. Standard
      Standard 30 January 2017 18: 22
      +1
      Quote: tasha
      the T-90 tank costs about 3 million. dollars, about 100 apartments in an average city.

      It is precisely such argumentation that spreads (consciously) any discussion.
      And why exactly a tank? Why not a plane? And better - a rocket, such as "Satan" - and the calculation of Gorbachev’s squandering in addition. this is how much money was thrown to the wind! But while these missiles were - they were necessary.

      About the "wiping the feet." First of all, we need to find a different formulation, no matter how hard. It is necessary.
      This fact needs to find a name as "ipso facto" - and this is by no means "wiping your feet about ...".
    6. Dekabrist
      Dekabrist 30 January 2017 20: 53
      +2
      This article cannot be stated in dry military language - obscene expressions are prohibited on the site.
  2. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 30 January 2017 06: 39
    +9
    Quote: tasha
    Novel, they raised a difficult topic. Aren't you afraid that you will now be signed up for liberals? "Politically argue ..."

    For example, the T-90 tank costs about 3mln. dollars, about 100 apartments in an average city. And this tank is being delivered somewhere to someone and there it is being destroyed by someone else. 100 apartments, Roman ...

    And who said this world is fair?

    By the quality of the article. A lot of emotions. Dry military language would be clearer, more accessible, more intelligible ...

    In our country, whoever yells more, he gets more. Like Raikin, for example. Write to the president, ONF Committee of Veterans, but don’t sit. There is no water flowing under a lying stone. Putin said that he alone can’t look at everything. help him! The generals of financial services of MO also need to feed. Yes, and I want to Cyprus!
    1. tasha
      tasha 30 January 2017 06: 46
      +1
      I agree ... Just not like Raikin. We are yelling more and more: "It should be! Mine! Give!".
    2. ancient
      ancient 30 January 2017 09: 31
      +14
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Write to the president,


      This is the one that “introduced” the reduction coefficient for pensioners with the “promise” in “compensation of 2% annually”, practically the next year, and it .. “took it away” wassat
      Maybe more .. "shine" ... whom to write wassat
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 30 January 2017 14: 47
        +7
        Maybe more .. "shine" ... whom to write wassat

        In sportloto, as Vysotsky advised. The situation is because as in an institution about which the song is sung.
      2. St Petrov
        St Petrov 1 February 2017 16: 24
        0
        This is the one that “introduced” the reduction coefficient for pensioners with the “promise” in “compensation of 2% annually”, practically the next year, and it .. “took it away”


        and how much did Putin take from you?) with the period before Putin?)

        or is it not customary to pay attention to such unimportant details in a fit of struggle?)

    3. Glory1974
      Glory1974 30 January 2017 16: 49
      +2
      Write to the president, to the ONF Committee of Veterans, but don’t sit. There is no water flowing under the lying stone. Putin said that he alone can’t look at everything. We must help him!


      Here either sue or write. Letters, if there is no trial, can help. A directive will come from the presidential administration or other authorized body - to do it. And that’s all.

      And if the trial is in progress, it’s as if it’s independent, we will receive replies: your case is decided in court, according to the law, we have no right to influence the court’s decision.
      1. sunzhenets
        sunzhenets 1 February 2017 14: 37
        0
        Here either sue or write.

        How is suing?
        Do not remember who they exchanged for Nadia Savchenko? On the two "former" of our troops? Which, before leaving on a business trip, a letter of resignation without a date is left in the PDA?
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 1 February 2017 15: 53
          +2
          Do not remember who they exchanged for Nadia Savchenko?


          Actually, suing a state and exchanging prisoners between states are two different things.

          How is suing?


          I am writing about a lawsuit against the state in the person of the Ministry of Defense, or another department. I have sued myself several times, I know what I'm talking about, and we have such a system that if the law is interpreted in two ways, or your rights are violated, contact the court. A court decision has the force of law.
          1. sunzhenets
            sunzhenets 2 February 2017 09: 28
            0
            Perhaps I did not clearly express my thought, you did not understand.
            If the part contains your letter of resignation, signed retroactively, try to sue something from the Moscow Region.
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 2 February 2017 11: 24
              +1
              If the part contains your letter of resignation, signed retroactively, try to sue something from the Moscow Region.


              Here I agree with you on 100%. If such a situation, then suing is useless.

              Moreover, there were cases when they fired retroactively even without any statements.
              1. your1970
                your1970 2 February 2017 17: 15
                +1
                there was a precedent - they retroactively dismissed an acquaintance, took copies of magazines to the commander - that they received weapons on guard, gave out secret blocks from the warehouse, received business trips .. They either returned me or I’m all upstairs. So they say you go on a hiking trip ... He is in court and at the same time copies of the special police officer say that the illegal surrender of weapons to a non-military, secret blocks, etc. They were reinstated in court, the commander and the construction manager were expelled from the army .. It was true in the late 90s, he has been retired for a long time.
                1. Glory1974
                  Glory1974 2 February 2017 19: 57
                  +1
                  Your words confirm: whoever fights, he achieves!
                  And it's great !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  3. raid14
    raid14 30 January 2017 07: 11
    +2
    There is no truth on earth, but no truth above.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 30 January 2017 08: 01
      +3
      Quote: raid14
      There is no truth on earth, but no truth above.

      There!
      1. raid14
        raid14 30 January 2017 08: 15
        +2
        Maybe there is, only everyone has their own truth.
  4. k174oun7
    k174oun7 30 January 2017 07: 45
    +22
    I want to appeal to the military personnel, both former and current. Do not be afraid to fight for your rights. Many participated in wars and military conflicts, realizing that they could be killed, wounded, mutilated, and for a long time were in difficult conditions. Survival depended on preparation, experience, and the ability to endure much time. And yet they survived and won. Unfortunately state. the machine is designed in such a way that it is not possible to automatically receive what is required by law. Military officials are no better than non-military ones, the same dastardly and no less tireless colleagues like to appropriate money. There is only one way out - to apply to the courts and conduct lengthy litigation. You will, yes, still laugh, but there are many very decent and decent people among the judges. In my case, the judicial epic because of the laid flat in the place chosen after the service lasted 2 years. Successfully completed.
    Let us recall the words of Taras Bulba (I quote from memory): “He’s not the kind Cossack who doesn’t lose his spirit in a dangerous business, but he who doesn’t get bored in idleness, but he’ll put it on his own . " It's time, brothers, to increase legal literacy and fight on the legal front for themselves and their families in this way. Otherwise, we will not see good luck.
    1. jjj
      jjj 30 January 2017 11: 09
      0
      That is, at first all the same, personal material well-being, and somehow, later, the homeland?
      1. ancient
        ancient 30 January 2017 13: 51
        +10
        Quote: jjj
        and homeland somehow later?


        And you do not equate the Homeland and "Power" and everything will become immediately clear soldier
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 30 January 2017 22: 02
          0
          This is yes!
          "I love my country so much and hate the state," gr. "Lumen"
          "- Machek, why do you always wear black glasses?
          - From the unrequited love for the Motherland "A. Wajda" Ash and Diamond "
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 January 2017 07: 57
    +9
    Why is it customary in Russia to wipe your feet on your soldiers?


    I would not be so categorical in such conclusions. And special cases can not be transferred to ALL Russia and its soldiers. I do not agree at the root.
    1. domokl
      domokl 30 January 2017 08: 21
      +8
      Special cases? A conscript soldier for a war in which they are not participating? Well, well ... You know, I also talked with such soldiers ... One has two bullets in his leg. And two comrades, too, somewhere near Pskov landed the wrong way ... and so, they didn’t even answer ... Just at a checkpoint, a sniper shot like a partridge ...
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 30 January 2017 10: 56
        0
        And two comrades, too, somewhere near Pskov landed the wrong way ...

        If you are splashed about ... Then unfortunately - three ...
        In disputes, truth is born.
        1. domokl
          domokl 30 January 2017 14: 47
          +1
          Quote: aszzz888
          If you are splashed about

          No, I'm talking about those who died at the checkpoint .. and this is the official version
    2. ancient
      ancient 30 January 2017 13: 55
      +1
      Quote: aszzz888
      And special cases can not be transferred to ALL Russia and its soldiers.


      Too much ... pathetic ...... "ALL RUSSIA" ...... you still write ..... "there is nowhere to retreat behind Moscow" sad
      Or "ALL RUSSIA" is ...... The wealth of the owners of the "public domain"? wassat
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 31 January 2017 14: 17
        0
        Or "ALL RUSSIA" is ...... The wealth of the owners of the "public domain"? wassat

        it’s clear where the wind comes from and whose mill ...
  6. CONTROL
    CONTROL 30 January 2017 07: 58
    +9
    How many are there in the country ... I don’t know. I know what it is. And I am sorry that these people are silent, although I absolutely admit such a right to them.

    And what can demand something? Well, here we are - considered "non-combatants" - in a simple way. "hm-o" (parts of material support - oh, Roskomnadzor, your mother) .. But - they shot at us ... and we didn’t remain silent in return! Who should be offended? "climbed into the back" - here really be what you signed up for ...
    Although - yes, to the military personnel who took part in the military - albeit in an undeclared war, give that up - give it away! And then the next "undeclared" and you will not find mercenaries ...
    --------------
    ... and Abkhazia-Ossetia began even earlier - somewhere in the 02nd; and the Abkhazians themselves say 200 years ago!
    1. domokl
      domokl 30 January 2017 08: 22
      +4
      We haven’t sent conscripts for a hundred years to the war ... And according to all documents they are absent. And the part is in Kuevo-kukevo. And these on a business trip ... That's all
    2. belroni
      belroni 30 January 2017 08: 42
      +5
      Why in 02? We in Ossetia at the beginning of the 90's "did not fight."
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 30 January 2017 09: 04
        +1
        Quote: belroni
        Why in 02? We in Ossetia at the beginning of the 90's "did not fight."

        us in the 02nd "charged" there ...
    3. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 1 February 2017 14: 41
      0
      Abkhazia and South Ossetia began in 1992. Pskov Division, Tskhinval, 1992.
  7. Altona
    Altona 30 January 2017 08: 02
    +26
    Novel, because our rulers, for the sake of some momentary interest, act with people as they want. Throwing your citizen is a sweet deal. Therefore, we have nothing for man, there is only everything for the upper classes. They worry about their precious ass. They can’t even stop Maru Baghdasaryan, the 21-year-old majoring-mantling.
    1. your1970
      your1970 3 February 2017 08: 39
      0
      And what relation do the top officials have to the traffic cops who have specific names and titles that directly violated job descriptions and did not stop by any means possible and does not obey the driver?
  8. Brigadier
    Brigadier 30 January 2017 08: 11
    +13
    "From the heart, sometimes from the meanness of our state, hatred engulfs."

    Because we now live in a CAPITALIST country and oligarchs and other scum reign here, for which the noose has been crying for a long time!
    They say that history moves cyclically ...
    We will wait for October 2017 ....
    1. tasha
      tasha 30 January 2017 08: 19
      +7
      So October came, so what? A regiment of revolutionary sailors will come out of the bowels of the museum ship? wink
    2. DPN
      DPN 30 January 2017 21: 30
      +1
      It is useless, there is no Lenin.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 31 January 2017 01: 37
        +4
        Quote: DPN
        It is useless, there is no Lenin.

        Then, Stalin must be sought!
        1. your1970
          your1970 3 February 2017 11: 34
          0
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Quote: DPN
          It is useless, there is no Lenin.

          Then, Stalin must be sought!

          but did someone lose it? and you know the place, where did you lose it?
  9. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 30 January 2017 08: 14
    +3
    "... sometimes hatred sweeps from the meanness of our state ..." - yes, it is.
    "Why is it customary in Russia to wipe their feet on their soldiers?" - It’s generally accepted to wipe their feet on their citizens.
    The topic is painful, complicated, dangerous. How to change this situation is not clear ...
    1. tasha
      tasha 30 January 2017 08: 36
      +3
      As one friend of mine says, "mass shootings will save this country." And percent of the 50 population will support him (and among readers of VO and in general 90 fellow ), until then, until they themselves start to smear their forehead with green stuff ...

      What to do, what to do ... I have a recipe for every occasion wink (who read earlier - do not read laughing ).
      It is necessary to introduce voluntary testing of candidates for important public positions. With the involvement of psychologists, doctors and simply respected people. And from the selected ones to form the state personnel reserve.

      For all party members to introduce compulsory practice in public works (at least 4 hours per week). This is so that the desire to help the country was not in words but in deeds.

      Yes, there is much more that is in stock, please contact ...

      A little more serious. Why is everyone so fed up with officials? They do not fall from the sky, they do not grow on individual cabbage beds. Remember the hero Anatoly Papanov in the film "Belorussky Station"? He’s also an official ... And his rightness can also be understood ...

      “Why didn’t you endorse my order on the Safronov brigade, why ?!”
      - It is illegal. There is a ministry instruction from 28 on May 49 of the year.
      1. MaksoMelan
        MaksoMelan 30 January 2017 09: 30
        +6
        They are people too. And here are people too. Some noses turn back from such work, and all trash goes there. And no one wants to check them either. Not comme il faut. Create something on a kind of military all-Russian front and track these shoals. Put forward your suggestions and ideas. This I am no longer to the author above but to everyone. They say that politics and bureaucracy are filth due to the fact that there are people like that. Here go there and correct. Learn, seek. Do it right. Where is the military union? Where are all these public organizations? But no need to shoot. Passed it. Better to work. You’re shooting someone wrong, and your conscience will torment you and you’ll do poorly for people. And under the guise, lawlessness and redistribution will begin again.
        1. AUL
          AUL 30 January 2017 12: 46
          +7
          They say that politics and bureaucracy are filth due to the fact that there are people like that. Here go there and correct.
          Are you serious? Then you are a very naive person! Who will let you into politics or power? They only take their own, tested and comfortable there. An official place is very expensive in bucks, not everyone can buy it. A decent person just can not!
      2. ancient
        ancient 30 January 2017 14: 00
        +6
        Quote: tasha
        It is necessary to introduce voluntary testing of candidates for important public positions. With the involvement of psychologists, doctors and simply respected people. And from the selected ones to form the state personnel reserve.


        Three times "GY-GY-GY"! Review "Kin-dza-dza" everything is very intelligible there .. even for the "Urya-patriots" for sure .. "will reach" wink

      3. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 30 January 2017 22: 23
        +3
        There is another suggestion, Sheckley described. Maaaalenkaya such a mine of directional action on the neck, and a radio fuse with a SIM card, focused on the result of a weekly vote by a voter. Nothing induces creative activity as personal motivation as the final product! (A great slogan turned out, is it something to sell to Peskov?)
        1. your1970
          your1970 3 February 2017 15: 12
          0
          It was already in 1918, after which the civil servants fled and war communism began. Are you ready to change your computer to a loaf of bread ???
      4. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 31 January 2017 02: 25
        +3
        Quote: tasha
        He’s also an official ... And his rightness can also be understood ...
        “Why didn’t you endorse my order on the Safronov brigade, why ?!”
        - It is illegal. There is a ministry instruction from 28 on May 49 of the year.

        And "demand" "demand", also according to the instructions of the ministry? Super limousines, "gold" toilets for "state structures" - also according to the instructions of the ministry? Somehow, our journalists "shared" their impressions during a trip to the "young" "revolutionary-minded" state ... they talk with a judge-member of the "revolutionary" party who overthrew the royal regime ... "How do you judge?" answer: “We are guided by royal legislation plus revolutionary consciousness ...” Modern Russian courts are guided to one degree or another by “revolutionary consciousness.” Often, laws “say”: from 2 to 5; from 3 to 10 ...; a fine or up to 2 years ... What kind of "cockroaches" affect court decisions, when for the same offenses (crimes) do some "get" a fine and others up to 2 years? Legislation seems to be " say “the truth;“ A thief should be in prison! ”... But how does it happen in“ democratic ”Russia that a man who stole a bag of feed from a farmer“ sits ”on 3 of the year, and Serdyukovs, Vasilyevs for stolen billions - just “ahhhh” under house arrest? Why should the mentioned officers return the “travel allowance”; and the officials who gave permission for the construction of cottages, supermarkets, warehouses on gas pipelines, oil pipelines for bribes? In order to “liberate” gas pipelines from all of these structures, the state must spend huge sums of money, but from officials, it’s like “off water”! But the “prohibiting” Instructions acted and are still in force! And you .... instructions, instructions.
      5. your1970
        your1970 3 February 2017 11: 52
        +2
        from experience - people come with unregistered land under houses, we are fined (a fine of 5 thousand), people shout - we will explain: that the Land Code has been in force since 2001, that it is necessary to register, etc. One is understandable, others start taking the throat-they say I built a house in 1950, and I didn’t have anything like that on the drum under the Soviet regime. So I show Article 199. Unauthorized seizure of land and unauthorized construction (Criminal Code of the RSFSR from October 27, 1960) -
        “Unauthorized seizure, or unauthorized barter, or the sale of land or other actions that violate laws on the nationalization of land, are punished with correctional labor for a term of six months to one year or a fine of up to one hundred rubles.
        Unauthorized construction of a residential building or unauthorized extension - punished correctional labor for a period of six months to one year with the confiscation of illegally erected buildings."
        Everyone is very surprised that there was no such thing in the USSR ...
        Moreover, the fact that they have not paid taxes for land for 7 years now - they usually don’t remember everything ..

        And all together, going out into the corridor, they say all sorts of words, which cannot be reproduced here ....

        And I, the civil servant, are to blame for the fact that they did not issue the land ...
  10. Fox
    Fox 30 January 2017 08: 25
    +11
    friend, after another business trip "to the south" 2 years-TWO !!! sued for military ... they wanted to throw the whole unit. they were convicted. Butted for the second time for 1,5 years, and the treasury was waiting for money for a year: no money, but you hold on there!
    This is the Ministry of Internal Affairs. But the essence does not change.
    1. Andrea1278
      Andrea1278 31 January 2017 02: 16
      +1
      Why does the Ministry of Internal Affairs not change the essence? I was in MO. The combat received a week after returning from Chechnya-2. Plus an office apartment in a new building, which was then privatized. Vacation, naturally. He refused the sanatorium. So the Moscow Region or the Ministry of Internal Affairs are two big differences.
      1. sunzhenets
        sunzhenets 1 February 2017 14: 47
        +1
        The bottom line is changing the time of the trip. Before the presidential election in 2000 (when GDP was I.O.) and a little after the election, the militants paid clearly and on time. Then they became much harder to close ...
  11. domokl
    domokl 30 January 2017 08: 27
    +9
    When officers take part in an undeclared war, the question seems to be not worth it. The order and all. You knew what you were doing and had your privileges for it. A conscript soldier? In fact, disenfranchised and poorly trained cannon fodder. True, after the service, most often, these are angry and quite radical people. and opposed to everything ... They do not believe in the state, nor in power, nor in justice ...
    They say that we must fight for our rights. Honestly, those who were “next to” the frontline scream about their exploits and rights most of all. The fighter will not claim benefits. Not that education gives war ...
    1. batial
      batial 30 January 2017 08: 40
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      When officers take part in an undeclared war, the question seems to be not worth it. Order and all.

      There is a question. That is why the law on short-term contracts of conscripts is passed. Syria lacks ideological contractors.
    2. free
      free 30 January 2017 09: 52
      +3
      I agree, but it’s not right when the conqueror abroad is left to the mercy of fate.
    3. saigon
      saigon 3 February 2017 16: 51
      0
      And they kindly forget about the soldiers, well, who needs them against the background of officers, and they won’t even take away apartments because they don’t have apartments for them. Yes, and as usual (we didn’t send you there) well, or as an option (what’s the war over there? I don’t give a lie)
  12. Yulaevich
    Yulaevich 30 January 2017 08: 34
    +11
    I was touched by the line about the conscript who, on a damaged tank, cleared the corridor for the passage of civilians. How many such nameless conscript heroes are hidden under the stamp of secrecy! And why hide! If the country knows them, modern heroes, then the people will be more patriotic, there will be a desire for unity, which will strengthen power. Hiding such facts, the power itself cuts off the branch on which it sits, for most people it has long been indifferent to what is happening in the country and it’s stupid to offend the military, the power lever of power.
    1. tasha
      tasha 30 January 2017 08: 50
      +3
      This is in your comments he is a hero. And in the text he is "the conscript". So here .. Capacious and juicy ...
      1. free
        free 30 January 2017 09: 49
        +8
        You do not understand the first conscript, meaning that this is the lowest and most powerless link in the army, and not that it is not respected.
        1. tasha
          tasha 30 January 2017 10: 06
          +3
          You are mistaken. This is with the lieutenants.
          If you interview readers of a site with more experience, it may turn out that the army has a lower and powerless link up to and including the colonel wink
      2. Standard
        Standard 30 January 2017 20: 31
        +1
        Quote: tasha
        Capacious and juicy ...

        Did you really like it?
        So do not judge. if they call you much "juicier."
        1. tasha
          tasha 31 January 2017 03: 38
          0
          Why did you decide that I liked it? And think about it? I have to explain ...
          I wanted to attract the attention of readers to this definition of a soldier from the mouth of the officer mentioned in the article. From my point of view, this characterizes the publication hero not from the best side. And he is not the only one ..
          And in general, it seems to me, graduates of military schools should be recommended for constant review a film based on the novel by V. Bykov “His battalion”. Watched?
          1. domokl
            domokl 31 January 2017 06: 53
            +3
            It’s strange somehow ... But did the officer’s letter about the beginning of the article write the article? He was written just by an enlisted soldier. That is why he did not go on a contract ...
            1. tasha
              tasha 31 January 2017 07: 50
              0
              Yes, thanks for the amendment. There is no (!) Information about the author of this letter in the article, although one can judge by tone .. I admit a mistake. hi I will consider for the future ..
              ...
              ...
              This article is written like that, you won’t understand anything! (this was written by my inner sklochnik repeat )
  13. Barbulator
    Barbulator 30 January 2017 09: 02
    +8
    only 20 years later, the "Afghans" received at least some positive recognition.

    In 1989, during the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, General Gromov declared that there was not a single Soviet soldier behind him. It was a lie! The exit of the group with battles was covered by thousands of border guards who were on the other side. And after their release, all documents were destroyed, there are no more archives for history, only the memory of soldiers and officers. And only a quarter of a century later a film was shown about the head of the border troops, Army General I. Matrosov.
    www.ontvtime.ru/index.php?option=com_content&
    task = view_record & id = 1488 & start_record = 201
    6-12-21-18-30
    The state should be blown away by military veterans, as evidenced by the "Law on Veterans": horns and legs remained from the original text. There are such privileges that practically no one can take advantage of them: for example, installing a home phone without waiting in line.
    1. CommanderDIVA
      CommanderDIVA 30 January 2017 14: 15
      +4
      I knew one border guard who left 2 days after Gromov in 1989 over the Friendship Bridge, and with regard to various benefits for services, I’ll tell our military: we should try to control the personnel records about participation in various events in their personal affairs, there is a column about familiarization with personal materials affairs at least once a year as in the service card, but according to the tradition widespread in military personnel, not all of our exploits are put into action, since not all of them are publicized in the world
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 30 January 2017 22: 35
      0
      Sorry, but now there is a queue for a home phone?!?!
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 31 January 2017 00: 06
        +1
        So this article hell knows what year ..... Then there was such a queue
      2. free
        free 31 January 2017 09: 56
        +1
        Sorry, but now there is a queue for a home phone?!?!

        there are no such lines, but such benefits still give
    3. Andrea1278
      Andrea1278 31 January 2017 02: 09
      +1
      ABOUT! Another offended veteran crawled out, to whom the land allotment or patrimony with the peasants were not issued on retirement)))
  14. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 30 January 2017 09: 09
    +8
    This situation needs clarification.
    In the 90s there were many places where we performed our military duty without any benefits. And they did it, often at the cost of life or health. This work and fate.
    And in life, I have repeatedly come across professional scumbags, including in uniform. They served not so much as they were judged. First for benefits, then for apartments.
    It is necessary to understand.
    1. vladimirvn
      vladimirvn 30 January 2017 15: 25
      +1
      If my memory serves me right, the essence of the conflict was that after the issuance of the decree on payment of business travelers, they began to pay only to those who arrived there on a business trip and did not pay to those who were there on a "permanent" basis. This caused a conflict.
  15. ew2gi
    ew2gi 30 January 2017 09: 16
    0
    It has always been like this ... we have been building housing for 10 years in our pennies (both in stock and in service)
  16. free
    free 30 January 2017 09: 47
    +1
    There are a lot of temporary workers in power at different levels, grabbers for whom there are no such words as justice and honesty in principle. The article is correct, the question is how to deal with this?
  17. free
    free 30 January 2017 09: 58
    +5
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Interestingly, do you go to the polls?

    What's the point? It’s important not how they vote, but how they think!


    not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
    1. Standard
      Standard 30 January 2017 20: 28
      0
      Stalin's commandments are true, began to be?
      1. free
        free 31 January 2017 09: 54
        +1
        what are you talking about?
  18. Just a man
    Just a man 30 January 2017 10: 07
    +13
    Everything in the article mixed up, horses, people, ichtamnet, would not have won the war in 8 (?) Days, if there hadn’t been our troops (?), The payment of money for business trips. Honestly, the essence of the article is liberalistic speculation on some issues. Until, here is the whole point of this opus. I, who has more than 3 decades of service behind me, has traveled the path and rode a platoon and a unit commander and deputy commander of a compound, in all the expanses of the USSR and now Russia, from Central Asia, the Far East and the Caucasus, a DB participant, also have many questions and claims for undeserved resentment against the current government. But, for each case, specifics and knowledge of the essence of the problem are needed. And there are different cases. I had to sort things out in relation to the chief financial officer and a number of officers who had established a fraudulent scheme for receiving business trips, which they later convicted (without landing). In addition to being scoundrels, they were also amazing throats. They also tried with the help of public opinion to create a protest - Dokle, Dokole will humiliate the officers with vulgar questions about money. And believe in the army, especially now, wiping your feet on a person is 1000 times harder than it is on a civilian. And so yes, there are problems with justice, although on the occasion in Abkhazia I think they will figure it out
  19. Stevev
    Stevev 30 January 2017 10: 32
    +2
    Quote: “In Abkhazia, near the Athos Monastery, our artillery battery has been standing since 2004 !!! BATTERY UNDERSTAND !!!! A tank division was stationed near Ufo (This is a village on the border with Georgia). An infantry division was standing on the border with Ossetia! DIVISION! !!!! All this stood on the territory of Abkhazia !!! " Does it seem to me alone that there is something with geography?
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 30 January 2017 13: 00
      +1
      No, you don’t understand, there is such a UFO village in France (on Google maps, only it has that name), our armored Buryat armored division stood there and wetted the Hamers with artillery, who were traveling from Georgia with American guns to capture Abkhazia, but our conscript tanker on a tractor, the corridor cut through and saved everyone
    2. Standard
      Standard 30 January 2017 20: 24
      0
      Quote: stivev
      Does it seem to me alone that there is something with geography?

      What's the problem?
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 30 January 2017 22: 01
        +2
        Abkhazia does not border either North or South Ossetia.
    3. faiver
      faiver 30 January 2017 20: 49
      +3
      it’s not something with geography, but here’s a complete star with it ...
  20. Vadim237
    Vadim237 30 January 2017 10: 53
    +4
    "Why is it customary in Russia to wipe their feet on their soldiers?" Because the soldiers we have is a consumable for war and the value of soldiers for the state and the economy is minimized.
    1. Standard
      Standard 30 January 2017 20: 26
      +1
      You are minus.
      There are no political officers on you, but more reliable commissars.
      So you are crap.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 31 January 2017 10: 16
        0
        Yes, even if they were - they’ll give me a damn thing. And the truth always hurts the minds and eyes - what I wrote above is pure truth.
  21. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 30 January 2017 11: 02
    0
    [quote = ancient] [quote = Mar. Thira] Write to the president, [/ quote]

    This is the one that “introduced” the reduction coefficient for pensioners with the “promise” in “compensation of 2% annually”, practically the next year, and it .. “took it away” wassat
    Maybe more .. "shine" ... whom to write wassat[/ quote This didn’t affect my retirement. It even increased. I don’t know how you are? But I don’t need mountains from heaven. You won’t take everything with you. You don’t want the president to write to the UN or the international court.
  22. Maz
    Maz 30 January 2017 11: 16
    +11
    Let me give you an example of dry language. First Deputy Chief of Staff of the Far Eastern Military District. Little plump major general, forgot his last name. I have ninety people in my company. A company employee on vacation, a locker room - simply does not come to service during the year (nonsense - builds stalls in Dalnerechensk and spits on the service, there is a lemon a month, instead of a beggarly salary that is not paid on time), once a platoon commander - no, two platoon squad - the drunk is in a fool, Komvzvoda three - in a binge. And I have this miracle of generals, God forgive me and the moderator, takes the foreman - the only normal ensign. And where? Build your mansion. Bastard. And you think what has changed since then?
  23. 0255
    0255 30 January 2017 11: 40
    +2
    And you must understand that it was far from contract soldiers. And now more and more facts are surfacing about it. And you yourself understand that the war did not start right one day. Well strange it sounds agree! And there were clashes (fighting) before 08.08.08., It was simply not profitable for our government to say that our troops were there. This we see now in Ukraine. Exactly the same scenario.

    That is, there are Russian troops in the Donbass?
    1. sds87
      sds87 30 January 2017 20: 59
      +3
      Quote: 0255
      This we see now in Ukraine. Exactly the same scenario

      I, too, was hooked in the article by this phrase. It remains to publish this article in foreign media and long live confirmation of the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine. Roman Skomorokhov, did you start writing your latest articles for dollars or euros?
      1. 0255
        0255 30 January 2017 22: 10
        +1
        Quote: sds87
        It remains to publish this article in foreign media and long live confirmation of the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine. Roman Skomorokhov, did you start writing your latest articles for dollars or euros?

        Well, in the Russian spring they have been writing about “vacationers” for a long time, and there are a lot of pictures of Russian equipment of the LDNR armies that have never been in service with Ukraine
        1. sds87
          sds87 30 January 2017 23: 28
          +2
          Yes, you can write anything about the "vacationers." They really are there. Many former Russian military with a citizen rushed to defend the inhabitants of Donbass. And help with weapons is not help by sending troops. Therefore, there really are enough of our specialists who organize a worthy rebuff to the Ukrainian troops. And the statement in the article from the nameless military about the presence of the Russian army in the DPR without any direct evidence is a provocation. I myself can neither refute nor prove anything. It is likely that the Russian Federation, in spite of any refutation, somehow helps the DPR militarily. But why directly declare this in the article? And to mix with the shit the top leadership of the army and Russia as a whole during the period of instability on the border is wrong. Yes, civil and military officials at all times try to weld at the expense of you and me. But where does the Minister of Defense? Is he responsible for all the frauds of a large bureaucratic fraternity?
          1. Vovan 73
            Vovan 73 2 February 2017 10: 38
            0
            “But what does the Minister of Defense have to do with it? Is he responsible for all the frauds of a large bureaucratic brotherhood?”
            And you read how the Komsomol leader Schoigu at one time wasted up on squandering property of units of the Civil Defense and Emergencies of the USSR. They are all there, in the upper echelon, smeared with one ram, they have nowhere to put stamps .....
        2. Andrea1278
          Andrea1278 31 January 2017 02: 03
          +3
          Listen to Putin’s speech with your ears, not your backside. He clearly said: "... we will never allow the annihilation of the inhabitants of Donbass ..." And for this, it is not necessary to send our troops. Some types of military equipment of a non-lethal action are mainly bought from us - we are selling it. In the Donbass, coke is classy, ​​world-class.
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 30 January 2017 22: 46
      +1
      You are naive, chesslovo.
    3. Berkut752
      Berkut752 1 February 2017 00: 54
      0
      Quote: 0255
      http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1485777801/0aafdd73/15884
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      Of course there is, only to you and no one else: well, a very reinforced armored hoofed division of mountain divers, in numbers:
      - subunits of manipula - light cavalry, heavy cavalry and infantry with a total
      up to 6 people;
      - Tumen cavalry division of 10 horsemen;
      - Jun compound, is a formation of 12 people, with light diving equipment, against submarines in the steppes of the outskirts;
      Well, about the discharge regiments and special troops with heavy diving equipment, I will not speak, they are not measured there.
  24. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 30 January 2017 11: 49
    +10
    Article on power shit and everything is sold. Tank division near UFO? Has anyone heard of this? There was an infantry division on the border with Ossetia and it was all in Abkhazia ... So in Ossetia or Abkhazia? Or on the border with Ossetia in Abkhazia? And where did they go then? And on the Internet, there really is nothing to be found, entire divisions have disappeared into the air. The story of who you can’t name, what you can’t verify, the paper will always stand, reading this paper is sickening.
    1. faiver
      faiver 30 January 2017 20: 50
      +1
      Well, we really have power shit ......
      1. Andrea1278
        Andrea1278 31 January 2017 01: 55
        +5
        So for shit, power is always shit ... Who would argue ...
        1. faiver
          faiver 31 January 2017 02: 01
          +4
          and here is the United Russia
    2. Andrea1278
      Andrea1278 31 January 2017 01: 56
      +2
      German well done! Briefly, clearly, without trepology. Not that. that the author of the article .... a whining whiner ...
  25. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 30 January 2017 13: 58
    +9
    Well done keep it up!
    1975. Angola
    After many years, the USSR recognized the fact of its intervention since November 75.
    And we entered in July, disguised as Cubans.
    How many guys were killed, how many were crippled, and what, what a recognition from the State - a non-disclosure agreement! There was no talk of apartments, “Say more thanks for being alive” (V. Vysotsky).
    And, Vasilyeva’s apartment and hundreds and thousands of apartments all over Russia are reproached to our generation, Roman, to ours. We rejoiced in the 91, we wiped ourselves in October of the 93, and then on the list - elections, elections, elections. Who conducted them - the Americans? Not!
    Here, the Americans made their real choice - Mr. Trump, and each of his decrees is pretty cheap. And the decrees are not only signed, but also executed immediately, upon acceptance.
    I would like to see at least something like this in our country.
    There’s no other!
    1. Standard
      Standard 30 January 2017 18: 54
      0
      Quote: capitosha1rang
      the Americans made their real choice - Mr. Trump,

      1. First of all - they have this Trump.
      And then he was preparing for more than 30 years.
      Do we have hto?
      2 ..
      Quote: capitosha1rang
      disguised as Cubans.

      And when did the Cubans come in? There, the Cubans fought.
      3. Sorry, not the topic, but still: Vasilyeva’s apartment in Molochny Lane donated to her by her father. He told this when the investigation was ongoing.
      He personally bought this house (all) with his own money - where did he get it, another question.
      And only one thing is interesting: Serdyukov paid for his apartment in the same house? Or lives in a gift? And why should he receive such gifts?
      And Vasilyeva just has the right
      1. capitosha1rang
        capitosha1rang 30 January 2017 20: 45
        +2
        There were Cubans.
        But in our group almost all of Bashkiria. After a week, they were tanned so that they began to look more convincing than the Cubans!
  26. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 30 January 2017 14: 17
    +2
    an article on a sore subject and topical, I knew one border guard came out 2 days after Gromov in 1989 on the Friendship Bridge, and with regard to various benefits for services, I’ll tell our military: we should try to control the personnel records about participation in various events in their personal affairs, there there is a column on familiarization with the materials of the personal file at least once a year as in the service card, only according to the tradition widespread in military personnel, not all of our exploits are put into action, since not all of them are publicized in the world, then only as a proverb - The homeland will not forget you, but it will not remember
    1. Standard
      Standard 30 January 2017 18: 47
      0
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      Am there is a column on familiarization with the materials of the personal file at least once a year as in the service card

      The same is in the work book. And personal adjustments are mandatory (after reading, ess-no).
      Apparently, the military believes that someone (personnel officer) must evaluate them.
  27. Captain Angry
    Captain Angry 30 January 2017 14: 41
    +6
    Good true critical article. More to such. Healthy criticism about the army and shortcomings is sorely lacking. The society has the erroneous opinion that things are exceptionally good in the army. It is well known what such errors lead to.
  28. Santor
    Santor 30 January 2017 15: 14
    +13
    Something zvezdezh a bit too much in the post ... Especially about the "Hammers" ... I can’t imagine the photo... But I can ... And all the "Hammers" that they had, we took. It is designed for people who either did not serve in the army or have no idea about the essence of the issue.
    Further, just a shit was raised by the media like Moscow Komsomolets, Ekho Moskvy, Rain ... Well, it’s simply not possible to suspect anyone of love for the Russian army for American money.

    Further, Yashchin is not a senior lieutenant but a captain, along with him there are several more people ... Kuleshov, Grebchenko, Sobolev ... The court canceled the decision to pay 14 years ago. Not because there were no travel allowances, and some documents were not drawn up correctly there.

    Further ... For some reason, apart from the witty ones, who rushed to court and received in court and abruptly quit the rest calmly waited for the right decision and received them simply by the report. And no one runs to them with bailiffs. The author is disingenuous - everyone knew, summonses came, but thought maybe they would give a ride.
    Now the case is referred to the Supreme Court .. So the author does not need to drive the blizzard ...

    I apologize, but wrote without reading the comments of other users. The anti-Putin howl on the pages of MK, Komsomolskaya Pravda was enough for me. Moreover, those who were not there at all and even did not serve in the army yell and howl

    Photos as promised, were not published.

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    Links to copy and open in a new page, otherwise the forum does not. Tablets from the Hammers and one from the Ukrainian Beech
    1. Andrea1278
      Andrea1278 31 January 2017 01: 52
      +5
      Sensibly wrote. Well done. And these whiners, who immediately got out of the army when they got the money, now they’re sick of their howls ....
  29. Basarev
    Basarev 30 January 2017 16: 35
    +3
    And not only soldiers. All Russians in the eyes of the government are just an extra burden that they seek to get rid of at all costs. Caucasians are closer and dearer.
  30. Glory1974
    Glory1974 30 January 2017 17: 07
    +5
    I don’t know this case specifically, but in his practice he sued more than once, defending his rights. And for the military, and for the spa, and for business trips.
    And I know that there were telegrams from Moscow on privileges, what was due to whom, and the district commander wrote them off: "Do not bring to parts."
    And in the 1-th war, Yeltsin said, "there will be no conscripts." They gave an order, within a week they concluded a contract with all conscripts and cheerfully reported: "There are no conscripts, all contract soldiers."
    And when the training with military judges is carried out, they give an indication of which verdicts to issue in typical cases. On the net you can find. And in part, they received court verdicts in the same case with completely different sentences. In general, there is a problem, and it is quite acute.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 31 January 2017 07: 31
      +2
      Quote: glory1974
      I don’t know this case specifically, but in his practice he sued more than once, defending his rights. .

      To sue is how long it takes to kill! not to mention nerves ...
      ... Therefore - we are not suing ourselves; try to support morally, legally and whenever possible - financially, those - who are suing!
  31. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 30 January 2017 17: 34
    +3
    Quote: vasiliev yu
    Throughout the country, smskie raise money for operations for children,

    It would seem that Sechin, with his salary of 5 million a day, or Miller with a little less, could have benefited all the children in Russia and not only them. But in their parallel world, the manifestation of such altruism is considered an unacceptable weakness, giving a signal that this individual is weak and can be "wetted". Therefore, money is collected by a people who have nothing.
  32. starshina78
    starshina78 30 January 2017 17: 37
    +2
    If you are a son-in-law close to Himself, then you can do anything, but if you are some kind of officer, then you can’t do anything! Bullshit! Although no - this is Russian reality! Alas, there's nothing to be done!
    1. Standard
      Standard 30 January 2017 18: 41
      +2
      Quote: starshina78
      this is Russian reality

      Not only.
      Here is Senator McCain. He was captured in Vietnam. probably damaged at least by something. And now - the senator.
      because dad is the commander of the US Pacific Fleet,
      But where are the other pilots, especially not prisoners?
      Watch Amer’s films about Vietnam. Very helpful..
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 31 January 2017 07: 26
      +1
      Quote: starshina78
      If you are a son-in-law close to Himself, then you can do anything, but if you are some kind of officer, then you can’t do anything! Bullshit! Although no - this is Russian reality! Alas, there's nothing to be done!

      ... we called it: "A person close to the ass of the emperor of the Galaxy!" (oh, I’ll pick the third ban from the admins ...)
  33. Standard
    Standard 30 January 2017 18: 38
    0
    The topic is very difficult. Therefore, we must carefully select the words - at least so as not to produce humiliated and offended.
    After all, is there probably an official wording? For example, in court? They will not say there about wiping their feet about ... They will call it a specific name. So what?
  34. karakol
    karakol 30 January 2017 18: 59
    +3
    I completely agree with the author. For myself, a long time ago I made the same conclusion. Our rulers need an army like toilet paper to wipe their ass on time. therefore, the attitude towards people in uniform is appropriate. This is clearly visible, including in relation to military pensioners. Although they served and serve not the rulers, but the country.
  35. Alekspel
    Alekspel 30 January 2017 19: 20
    +4
    Oh, what a bad topic! The deepest bow to the author for courage. Ask gentlemen officers, probably every second such Temko there. He served in Georgia in 1986-91. The heyday of Gamsakhurdievism. How much shit was poured into the media on our military heads. Since then I hate the hunchback, and also Rosta (there was such a vile correspondent). We saw one thing, but in the newspapers and on the Central Television gave the exact opposite. Well, I also had to wander around the apartments. Thanks to the Armenians - they sheltered, so they then flooded them from Georgia. I believe that our military, wherever he is, should be a special concern of the state, otherwise why the hell to defend the Motherland if she does not need you. And our wives? Mine worked wherever I served, but it is impossible to confirm this either from the GSVG or from Georgia, therefore, her pension is minimal. What will happen to her when I die? But Vasiliev will not be lost. There really is someone to support her.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 31 January 2017 07: 24
      +4
      Quote: Alekspel
      and also Rosta (there was such a vile correspondent).

      ... and Growth from me - personally! - shlopot in the face, there, in Ossetia, in the 91st! ... In the corridor of the hotel - interesting, remember? ...
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  37. lochin
    lochin 30 January 2017 20: 37
    +2
    .
    And what to expect from our homeland to us, volunteers, a militia of the Donbass. Under the honest word of GDP, we walk free.
  38. DPN
    DPN 30 January 2017 21: 26
    +1
    In Russia, asphalt to the village is laid on the orders of the president, there will not be enough at the expense of the apartment and his powers, but there is no need to talk about Shoigu.
    A year later, when the next meeting with GDP will be lucky. But in general, after Pushkov, he may also see Shoigu.
  39. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 30 January 2017 21: 28
    +9
    I will subscribe to every word! "We were not here, we were not there, we were not standing here, was not, did not live, were not attracted ..." Stop lying, gentlemen in power !!!! For which audience is the two-minute interview on the First with the commander of the special forces company of the DPR self-defense forces ("Debaltsevsky cauldron)" intended for imbeciles? Where did the special forces miners come from? Dwarves from Moria called? Whence Motorola's epaulettes and Star of the Hero of Russia came from, I doubt that Arseniy hung them himself, not the same person. Why do the “rotten s” cover the coffins of those who died while defending the “strategic interests of the United States” with the national flag, while we secretly distribute the “two hundredths” around cities and towns? Why is “Zhenechka in prison unable!”, But could Budanov? Why is Ullman on the run, and who ordered him in high ranks? STOP LYING!!!!
    1. lochin
      lochin 30 January 2017 22: 08
      +4
      The motor does not and did not have a star of the hero of Russia. He has a DNR star. And then they did not understand him.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 31 January 2017 19: 53
        0
        Sorry, perhaps it seemed that he was standing in a half-turn, in a parade, at some event in the photo seen.
  40. Andrea1278
    Andrea1278 31 January 2017 01: 42
    +4
    You know how a certain attitude towards the state, authorities, ministries, superiors and even women has gotten, how paradoxical this sounds, which allows the authors of such lamentations and crying Yaroslavna to pour slop on everyone around with a few exceptions. This is a naive idea that women, and bosses, and the ministry, and the president, and the state MUST be perfect right here and now! Well, we are so beautiful that we deserve only the ideal, no less! And such a whining that everything is so real with all the imperfections, well, just the authors of such whining will hang themselves ready on the chain of the toilet bowl))))
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 31 January 2017 15: 43
      +4
      So there would be no whining if something in this state changed. And then, wherever you spit, you will fall into the "native man" ... About imperfection ... recourse
      I believe that a woman whose instrument of labor is a company should not be assigned the rank of senior officer, equating this "intimate business" with the duties of commanders and chiefs of staff of divisions, units and formations ... belay Because serving as a lieutenant colonel and being under him are two big differences ... repeat
      1. Navigator Basov
        Navigator Basov 5 February 2017 00: 51
        0
        And what not to take and change? On the Internet, spread your scribble - not toss the bags, of course. Everything here is already described by those in the subject. The authors are just hysterics, not officers. If they wanted to, they would. The assertion of one's civil rights is no worse than death, and no more difficult than surviving in war.
  41. EvilLion
    EvilLion 31 January 2017 08: 18
    +5
    The practice of shitting on one’s state is really in our honor.
    1. nikola
      nikola 31 January 2017 13: 13
      +2
      Apparently, you have never been a "mandala" on the aiming bar (a favorite expression of my company, unfortunately the deceased now lieutenant general of the Russian Federation army)
    2. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 5 February 2017 00: 53
      0
      This cannot be taken away from us. One thing is surprising, how does it penetrate officer heads? Maybe just the officer ranks fall on the wrong shoulders? Maybe well, what for such officers in the army?
  42. Pasha
    Pasha 31 January 2017 14: 51
    +3
    Comrade Minister of Defense, respected Sergey Kuzhugetovich, your ministry is creating meanness towards Russian soldiers.
    I subscribe. also.
  43. yuriy55
    yuriy55 31 January 2017 15: 34
    +3
    The humiliation of soldiers and army officers occurs because people in the army who do not serve serve in power ... who haven’t taken the hardships and hardships ... It’s most vile that people who have real power, discipline, defending the Fatherland with weapons are forced to perceive it as a mockery of themselves and their families, a comparison of army and "glamorous" life in society ...
    And this is an incomprehensible difference between the pensions of officials and the military ... belay
    And the affairs of Vasilyeva and Serdyukov ...
  44. lopvlad
    lopvlad 31 January 2017 16: 40
    +4
    It is thanks to such "truth-seekers" of the USSR that it has collapsed. As soon as in some sphere loot reaches the first level and self-sacrificed patriotism on the second consider this sphere to be doomed.
    The Russian people are not stupid and always understand and understood everything.
    And so the author pours water on the Ukram mill “we destroyed half of the Russian army” and to the liberals “we lost tens of thousands of Russian troops in the Donbas”, “Russia must withdraw troops from Ukraine.”

    PS it’s a pity that there is no way to put a minus to this pseudo-patriotic letter of an alternatively gifted author on the site.
    1. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 5 February 2017 00: 54
      0
      Plus, but accumulate from sympathizers.
  45. Ignatkov Alexandr
    Alexander Ignatkov 31 January 2017 17: 58
    +3
    And what do all these numerous societies of officers and veterans do. There are so many of them that it’s hard to understand, and some even write their entire family, including babies, for mass and representativeness when receiving invitations to events and bonuses in bags for the holidays. There must be one retirement society, but with it a good jur. department, then you can solve any issues.
  46. taseka
    taseka 31 January 2017 17: 59
    +1
    "Comrade officers of the Soviet, and even Russian times, maybe I'm wrong?"- Roma is right! Oh, how right! Also, be kind, Chernobyl officers, please add to your list !!! Good luck, friend! drinks
  47. k174oun7
    k174oun7 31 January 2017 19: 06
    +3
    Why is it customary in Russia to wipe your feet on your soldiers?

    40% or maybe more because they themselves allow it to be done on themselves. In the comments, they wrote a lot about protecting their rights through the courts. Few take this opportunity. Especially when, after the first appeals, all kinds of housing and other commissions try to unsubscribe and indicate in their replies that "there are no grounds, there is no possibility, there is no explanation, no funds have been received .... etc." people give up, the desire to beat forehead against a concrete wall disappears. However, the illusion that the concrete and impenetrable wall is created and supported by officials themselves. So it’s easier for them to live and parasitize. I must say that officials like impunity and they are not afraid of these very courts. However, they are not loved very much. Especially when a person who asserts his legal rights "rests", decides to go all the way, and after a while begins to understand the legal side of the matter. There are no options except the court. It’s time in the soldier’s knapsack to store, along with essentials, a legal directory, and to have a sensible lawyer number on the phone. And when you try to wipe the legs, as the article says, to peel on these legs by all available means.
  48. michajlo
    michajlo 31 January 2017 20: 20
    +2
    Welcome all!

    With great interest I read the article itself and the comments of members of the forum. I myself am a civilian (in a military ticket from 1985. deposited at the military registration and enlistment office after leaving abroad in 1997, only the entry "Art. medical stock service"), therefore, in my own skin, I can’t confirm what experienced and experienced personnel officers and soldiers and upbringing does not allow itself to be impersonated.
    But in many ways, I personally, as a person who does not know the former and the real army, but knows the well-old Soviet Union and present Russia, so far from the position of a foreign citizen (since the path to Russian citizenship by official means and without bribes is long and thorny), I ALL AGREE with Roman, author of the article.
    Alas, the current government in Russia, including top leaders (so as not to give names, everyone knows them), to the common people, to ordinary staff officers and soldiers WITHOUT ORIGIN and INFLUENTIAL RELATIVES, alas, is like a stepmother to stepsons.
    It is gratifying that today the military personnel defending their homeland, and not just Putin and Gazprom in the hostilities in Syria, receive payments and, in case of their death, the MoD provides assistance to their relatives.
    But in my personal opinion these laudable shifts and concern for military personnel, not because the authorities have seen the light or God forbid her conscience woke up, no!
    Simple It’s fashionable and necessary to talk about patriotism EVERYWHERE, it’s necessary to recruit and enlist in the Armed Forces, not only indiscriminately, but we also need military specialists and officers. Since the former collapse of the SA, started by Gorbachov and continued by the EBN and in the first years of government by the GDP itself, now somewhat eliminated, but the consequences of Serdyukov’s reforms, sorry for the "current optimization", the lack of experienced and able to quickly learn new officers, soldiers, technicians and engineers in the army, research institutes and defense industry factories, is visible to outsiders!
    And herself A STRONG AND UNBEATABLE ARMY of Russia oh how necessary and it is in these 10-20 subsequent dashing years of the EPOCH OF CHANGE, that many of us present here members of the forum, including me, of course, simply do not survive ...
    And the fact that the opinion of some members of the forum, the author writes emotionally, is understandable, because he is a journalist and not a seasoned lawyer, who has eaten his teeth in paragraphs and prosecutorial and judicial litigations.
    It is nice to read that some of the members of the forum SUCCESSFULLY won reusable litigation, I personally know this too (but so far only in Slovakia, my experience is NEGATIVE in Russia so far), but the legal legal knowledge of ordinary soldiers, officers, not to mention ordinary citizens today in Russia EXTREMELY LOW. The old generation, and I belong to him too, JUST do not know their rights, but continue to fulfill their RESPONSIBILITIES, and today's youth knows only their rights, but the words "NEED TO FULFILL YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES" for them, alas, a curse.
    And with this legal illiteracy and READY to defend YOUR LEGAL INTERESTS in the offices at work and at work, not to mention the unwillingness to argue with the employees of the Prosecutor's Office and the Court, и
    very cleverly uses the power "at all levels of TALERING to ordinary citizens without money, kinship and connections",
    otherwise, I can’t name the attitude of the higher caste in the army and in the citizen towards defenseless and gullible compatriots.
    Therefore, similar articles, correct disputes (although often the most accurate words in such stories are MATERIAL turns), their discussion and different opinions are very useful and useful.
    And if due to LIKE articles and discussions, at least one of the members of the forum starts to study the laws and APPLY THEM, then VERY slowly, but those in power towards ordinary people will begin to change, since if the chief, commander, and any official in civilian life knows that his decrees, deeds, or inaction can be easily DISPUTED to a higher authority and the prosecutor’s office and court, with RETURN of stolen RIGHTS and PAYMENT OF HARM and COSTS by decision of the Court.
    But here I probably grabbed too much, in the well-known Slovakia, this phenomenon is normal, but in today's Russia, it is more like RARE LUCK or RANDOM.
    But to protect their interests, one must gradually learn everything. And then in 10-20 years, maybe, in addition to the "standard of living" in Russia for ALL CITIZENS, and not only for 1% of the population of the "higher and richest caste," REALLY RISE THE QUALITY OF LIFE!
    I sincerely wish Russia that in 20 years, that the ORDER Germans envy with quiet envy the ORDER RUSSIAN CITIZENS, how well ALL THE PEOPLE live in Russia and the Russian government cares not about governors, generals and oligarchs, but about NORMAL TAXPAYERS, who, in fact, PAY [b] all expenses, salaries and compensations, of the authorities, government officials, military, millionaires, prosecutors, investigators and the court, because in essence they are EVERYTHING - SIMPLY OPPERS, as they themselves do not create added value, but are necessary for the organized existence of society and the country [/ b], but they behave with everyone below them in rank, like nobles with a thousand-year pedigree and knowledge of several languages ​​with a drunk coachman !?
    Alas, no matter how much the forum users kicked me, I can’t say anything else about the current Russian reality, don’t blame me!
    1. tasha
      tasha 1 February 2017 06: 23
      +2
      You know, I’ll probably kick you smile . Just for the expression "current Russian reality." It is our life. And there are enough of our own screaming "power-shit", "gadyushnik country". Nowhere to go ...

      What else. We do not have almost the part of society that you have called NORMAL TAXPAYERS.
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 1 February 2017 11: 01
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        Tasha Today, 06:23 ↑
        You know, I probably will kick you smile . Just for the expression "current Russian reality." It is our life. And there are enough of our own screaming "power-shit", "gadyushnik country". Nowhere to go ...

        What else. We do not have almost the part of society that you have called NORMAL TAXPAYERS.


        Hello dear "Tasha", I'm sorry I do not know how to call you by name.
        Those. to read my remark carefully and recall some of the great and Russian powerful language, and taxation terms, is weak for you? But to be rude or "threaten to kick" through the keyboard, so you are a "crap dick"? Just culturally respond or argue your hostility to the content of someone else’s remark that you didn’t like, is it humiliating for you?
        Well, if you rated my remark as a cry and insults, but I’m just instead of the usual “approvers, I’m interested in the essence and result of slogans, appeals, promises and real results for ordinary citizens in cities and towns of the Fatherland, which are still the majority in Russia .

        It was interesting to know who in the current conditions according to your concepts and level of knowledge in Russia "ORDINARY TAXPAYER": oligarchs, senior managers of state corporations, state banks, senior government officials, deputies of the State Duma, or ordinary IPs, workers, technicians, teachers, engineers, doctors in a state polyclinic (not in a private clinic), sellers in a store and on the market, locksmith or housing and communal services engineers?
        Especially when you consider that jobs have been ongoing since 2014. are reduced, and only a few enterprises pay FULL Wages and tax the income received.
        You ARE A KNOWLEDGE OF ECONOMY and "spelling rules" to me, it’s incomprehensible to me, it’s easy to explain why real prices for foodstuffs, basic goods rose by 2-3% in 15-60 years, and the vast majority of workers and self-employed earned the same income or decreased ?! And with all this, over the past 2016 in the Russian Federation grew by 20% SALES cars in the segment of VERY VERY VERY EXPENSIVE cars? Are you yourself by chance not one of these 20% of new owners?
        And here on the VO website more than once many forum users wrote that if you or I don’t know something or hear for the first time, this does not mean that this phenomenon or fact DOES NOT EXIST!

        You are capable nameless "tasha" me sound answer to my facts, without rudeness and "kicking through the clave"?

        Speaking of education, people who have it, as a rule, have a habit, if someone expresses their rejection or indignation, then they call themselves, or is this not your case?

        I have the honor, just Michael, 56 years old, engineer, doctor, Smolensk.
        1. tasha
          tasha 1 February 2017 11: 59
          0
          How did you ... Dragged me. Not in a hurry, by any chance?
          1. michajlo
            michajlo 1 February 2017 12: 38
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            Tasha Today, 11:59 ↑
            How did you ... Dragged me. Not in a hurry, by any chance?

            Dear nameless "tasha", since you did not consider it necessary to name your name (why not ?!), I just answered the "uncultured", i.e. "boorish," using the spelling rules and the calm of the great mighty Russian language kicking "and unlike you, politely without rudeness, asked you to argue your rudeness and contempt for the essence of my statement!
            And with all this, I’m just a “Subcarpathian Rusin by origin” and so far the IG (a foreign citizen, not yet a Russian), and had the honor to graduate from an ordinary Soviet Ukrainian high school in present-day Transcarpathia, from where I have a good command of grammatical Russian, get Soviet 2 HE / university diplomas for free, work in the USSR, Ukraine, Slovakia, Belarus and now in Russia, and for a very long time, I once had the honor to personally meet 2 former "Afghan officers" (major and captain, chief frontier posts and a political officer, Russian and Ukrainian, fought for 7 and 5 years, respectively) during my brief work on a business trip in the summer and autumn of 1989 at the Central Hospital in the town of Pyanj, on the Tajik-Afghan border. And these two "Afghan officers", me "civilian whip, doctor and technician" (then I worked as a "senior doctor of the medical team" / leader from Transcarpathia, a pediatric anesthetist, I’m now 26 years old as a radio engineering engineer), then they were "taken me in a friendly circle" on the very first day of our arrival from Uzhgorod through Kiev, Dushanbe in Pyanj, much that was told to me about the essence of the Afghan war and taught how to survive in dangerous (from a medical point of view) conditions in foreign conditions, for us fragile and pampered Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians compared to the more hardy and resilient native Afghans and Tajiks) ...
            So you "tasha" can you basically answer my question to you about your incorrect answer, but my first comment, or is it a heroic thing for you, to answer "without rudeness" without even apologizing?
            Just for the 4th year of my presence on the VO site, and sometimes, not often, thank God, I meet rudeness or arrogance, and I consider it my duty to find out the relationship, and if I’m wrong, I have no reason to DO NOT immediately apologize to another forum member, I’m not a “saint,” just like the others, and at night, if you turn off the lights in the room, above my head, the "halo of holiness and sinlessness" does not shine.
            1. tasha
              tasha 1 February 2017 12: 50
              +1
              Rudeness? Have you seen rudeness in my comment? And in my thoughts there was no way to offend you, what are you?
              However, to each his own, who has what’s in his head, he sees it. They didn’t understand something, they could clarify it, and several paragraphs of bile were poured in vain (didn’t the saliva fill the keyboard?). Do you feel better? Now, yes, rudeness.
              I will not give you any explanations. Apologize all the more. I’m not going to explain anything to you. And let's stop there.
              1. michajlo
                michajlo 1 February 2017 13: 07
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                Tasha Today, 12:50 ↑
                Rudeness? Have you seen rudeness in my comment? And in my thoughts there was no way to offend you, what are you?
                However, to each his own, who has what’s in his head, he sees it. They didn’t understand something, they could clarify and so a few paragraphs of bile were poured in vain (didn’t the saliva fill the keyboard?). Do you feel better? Now, yes, rudeness.
                I will not give you any explanations. Apologize all the more. I’m not going to explain anything to you. And let's stop there.

                #
                Well, then, the "secret forum member", let's stop there! Just do not continue to blame others for all mortal sins and especially rudeness, forgetting to read what you and in what style were written to me?
                I attribute my sins to others, you yourself at the same time just look somehow Pharisee (I hope you yourself find the meaning of the word "Pharisee"?). Just do not write me the answer that this is rudeness and bile, for my part, when I simply state the fact of your words and "high calm").
                I have the honor, Michael.
  49. Faust
    Faust 1 February 2017 01: 51
    +1
    Angola veterans also complained that you are suing first to get a testimony from a DB participant, and then through the court - they are trying to take this certificate away, if it was not issued correctly.

    And when you receive a certificate, you actually don’t get anything. You will not even get medical help from our state, even if you lost your health in military service.

    By the way, there were no military hospitals in Angola, so if anyone was sick (or God forbid he was injured), he was treated underground without issuing any official certificates. And conscript sailors were simply threatened with execution for "self-mutilation" for "taking away" from service.
  50. noskov
    noskov 1 February 2017 05: 47
    +5
    Mdaaaa ... Roman. You know, the topic that you raised is certainly not an easy one. I don’t know how it is now. But! For example. I arrived in Abkhazia exactly 3 months after the start of the offensive of the Georgian army. Prior to this, there were only minor provocations with their various "legions" and the police. Arrived as part of the USSR Ministry of Defense. Everyone remembers what happened in the country during this period. And ultimately, by December '91, I was listed ..... attention !!! DESERT! Moreover, the article threatened me “For Mercenaries” .. Naturally, “I was not there”. But what about? But there are still three holes in the chest and torn phalanges of the fingers. You know, back in '92, I was thinking not about getting any compensation, but about not being imprisoned upon arrival in my hometown. Passed the whole company. Officially served as part of the consolidated OSPN subordinate to the MO rep. Abkhazia Really over the high command was carried out by our own commanders from the Moscow Region. In fairness, it must be said that with the onset of the main mess, not a single conscript from Russia arrived in the republic (with the exception of the MC). But the "wild geese" rushed simply shoals. Yes, such that there was a tacit order "not to let go." As a result, he remained in Abkhazia until 94. He lived there until everything in Russia settled down. Now I do not regret about anything. Compensation ?? and with them ... my school of life is my school of life. All I need is earned.
    But if I had the opportunity to live that life again. I would have lived it that way.
    1. Awaz
      Awaz 1 February 2017 07: 59
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      I was there in 89 -90 when it all started ...