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At the NIIITs of the Russian Air Force there is no one to analyze the data from the Tu-154 “black boxes”?

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Another material from "unnamed sources" is published in the media on the fact of the investigation into the causes of the crash of the Tu-154 in the Sochi area. This time, the information, which has not yet been commented on by official representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, published Kommersant. The newspaper reported that a source “close to the investigation” reports that the investigation process is very difficult, since “outdated” flight recorders were installed on the Tu-154Б-2.


At the NIIITs of the Russian Air Force there is no one to analyze the data from the Tu-154 “black boxes”?


We are talking about "black boxes", the recording of information which is carried out on a magnetic tape. The article "Kommersant" states that the Research and Development Institute of operation and repair of aircraft of the Air Force of the Russian Federation (located in the Moscow region) "there is no equipment and specialists" who can work with magnetic tape.

It is reported that the data allegedly managed to count, but could not manage to correctly interpret this information. The main problem is that the research center is allegedly unable to understand the speed with which the so-called tape drive mechanism must be launched in order to understand the exact time intervals that took place between the events before the crash of the airliner.

But that's not all. It is stated that there is no possibility to synchronize the data of the flight recorder responsible for recording the negotiations of the crew members with the data of the so-called parametric “black box”. Amazing statements ...

But the most interesting thing is that after the statements about the “absence of specialists in studying data from outdated flight recorders,” the same Kommersant claims that there are allegedly already data on the preliminary findings of the investigation. And on the basis of these "conclusions" it is stated that all the systems of the airliner before the collision with water worked in the normal mode. It was announced that today the only version being worked out is the version of the crew’s error.

Recall that earlier about the same "conclusions of experts familiar with the situation," reported "Life News." And in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation they called journalists from “Life” not to engage in “the spread of delirium”.

What will they say now about the statement that there are no specialists in the Air Force Research Center of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation capable of decoding data from magnetic tapes? ..
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  1. lukewarm
    lukewarm 28 January 2017 12: 20
    +29
    "Kommersant" (AkA "speculator") liberoid proherovskoe edition. Together with RBC. From this we must proceed, evaluating its highest ... oh, messages. I would call him the younger partner of rain and yechu matzah
    1. Liberoid-
      Liberoid- 28 January 2017 12: 38
      +18
      At the same time, it was announced that today the only version being worked out is the crew error version.

      I do not believe ... too much this disaster struck into the soul of Russia!
      Let's remember the Kursk nuclear submarine .. The diversion is unambiguous and this too ..!
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 28 January 2017 12: 48
        +22
        "a certain source close to the investigation reports that the investigation process is very difficult"

        Again incomprehensible secret informants and magazines craving sensations? I'd like to send them away.
        1. cniza
          cniza 28 January 2017 13: 07
          +14
          Less would be fussing about this topic, but they would have informed about the exact and final results and would cease to speculate.
        2. Liberoid-
          Liberoid- 28 January 2017 13: 07
          +2
          Quote: Stock Officer
          "a source" close to the investigation "reports that the investigation process is very difficult
          Again incomprehensible secret informants and magazines craving sensations? I'd like to send them away.

          We got lost, and then we work .. The stakes are too high in this survival game! I understand everything that is happening ...
          1. ancient
            ancient 28 January 2017 14: 45
            +20
            Quote: Liberoid
            The stakes are too high in this survival game! I understand everything that is happening ...


            And what does this disaster have to do with it, and what are there ... "survival bets"? belay

            After showing on TV what condition all MPPIs were for, all people who were more or less connected with aviation were sure that the results would be reported almost immediately, but here the Chief of the Aviation Flight Safety Service Sergey Bainetov made a statement on TV and ... ..people in shock ... it's like ... to decrypt completely whole films within ... "not a month"? belay
            You know the saying ... a little lie gives rise to a lot of mistrust soldier
            After the flights the next day (there were no Testers yet), all the data and the MS and MSRP and SARPP and K3-63 were ready for flight analysis and not one but 20 on board !!!
            And then for one plane for a 2-minute flight phase .... months ........ That's where everything is and from misunderstanding.
            Although everything is trite, it’s just a military plane, so all the information is only related to ... and that’s it!
            And so they got what they should have! soldier
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 28 January 2017 15: 56
              +9
              Yes, everything is simple. In the first minutes after the disaster, immediately and categorically for political reasons, some versions were ruled out. And now they don’t know how to report it now. The people in Russia are mostly literate, and will not behave in any low-quality "bullshit".
              1. ancient
                ancient 28 January 2017 16: 11
                +6
                Quote: Orionvit
                In the first minutes after the disaster, immediately and categorically for political reasons, some versions were excluded


                The same may be because if you wanted to shield yourself, then the versions with the "human factor" and CPN .. didn’t pass, because all the same, they would "close" to Organization and Preparation and Planning, and again these are the same people soldier
            2. Alex_Tug
              Alex_Tug 28 January 2017 17: 49
              +2
              After showing on TV what condition all MPPIs were for, all people who were more or less connected with aviation were sure that the results would be reported almost immediately, but here the Chief of the Aviation Flight Safety Service Sergey Bainetov made a statement on TV and ... ..people in shock ... it's like ... to decrypt completely whole films within ... "not a month"?

              how long did the investigation of the accident of the Polish TU-154 take? Almost a year.
              1. ancient
                ancient 28 January 2017 18: 18
                +4
                Quote: Alex_Tug
                how long did the investigation of the accident of the Polish TU-154 take? Almost a year.


                There is another case - they "shared" who should have received .. "head off" or hydraulic fracturing or the crew, and from this they found out .. who and where was born, baptized. Married. What did he fly. When and how much, could he ..when the last time, etc.
                And about the random ones ... who was in the cockpit, who was for the votes, who made the decision to land, why they broke down below all lows (both of the plane and the crew), etc. etc. soldier
              2. parafoiler
                parafoiler 29 January 2017 06: 15
                +2
                Not an accident, but a disaster. Big difference!
          2. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 28 January 2017 18: 08
            0
            Quote: Liberoid
            I understand everything that is happening ...

            All limbs "FOR"!
            Work brothers! (from)
            How can we ...
        3. My doctor
          My doctor 28 January 2017 20: 10
          0
          Quote: Reserve officer
          Again incomprehensible secret informants and magazines craving sensations? I'd like to send them away.

          Everything would be fine if you hadn’t remembered how they couldn’t open the black box of the downed Su before the magazines. But then it turned out that the recorder consists of elements whose design was not calculated for use in black boxes.
      2. ZVS
        ZVS 28 January 2017 13: 09
        +8
        You do not know, do not "whistle".
        There was a mistake by a crew member. Instead of the chassis flaps were removed.
        1. pv1005
          pv1005 28 January 2017 13: 17
          +18
          Quote: SU
          You do not know, do not "whistle".
          There was a mistake by a crew member. Instead of the chassis flaps were removed.

          And apparently you were standing nearby at that moment and saw everything, and then you jumped down with a parachute in order to tell everyone the truth.
          1. Iline
            Iline 28 January 2017 13: 40
            +15
            Well, here's an excerpt from this publication on this topic:
            All systems of the plane crashed in the Sochi region of the Ministry of Defense of Russia worked properly before a collision with water. This was reported by Kommersant with reference to preliminary findings of the commission to investigate the causes of the disaster.
            Earlier, according to the results of the explosion technical examination, the version of a possible terrorist attack on board an aircraft or its shelling from the ground was also refuted. Thus, the only version was a crew error, the newspaper writes.
            https://lenta.ru/news/2017/01/28/tu154/
            And here are excerpts from a conversation with the designer of these devices for clarity
            The results of the investigation of aircraft crashes primarily depend on the information obtained as a result of decoding the data of their flight recorders. The chief designer of the St. Petersburg NGO Pribor Alexander Ivanov, in an interview with Kommersant correspondent Alec Kommersant Akhundov, admitted that the "black boxes" on the Tu-154 are morally outdated and poorly protected.

            - Tell us about the devices installed on the Tu-154?

            - The flight recorders installed on the Tu-154 trunk lines were developed at our enterprise in the late 1960s and early 1970s. The K3-63 uses the principle of recording basic parametric flight data by scratching with ruby ​​rods on a conventional 35 mm film. Such recorders are installed on all aircraft as standard equipment.

            - That is, the recording of parametric data is in analog mode?

            - Not certainly in that way. In parallel with K3-63, another recorder performs the recording - digital MSRP-64. In Soviet times, the decryption of his data was carried out on a Luch computer M6000 and SM14-20. Now they are using regular IBM-compatible computers. But this is a rather laborious process. A preliminary analysis of MSRP-64 records takes 1 h 20 min, but this is only if the film is not damaged.
            http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2004/08/27/83144.ht
            ml
            So something the Lyubertsy guys are dark. There can be no problems with deciphering the MSRP in principle. Moreover, time is recorded on the film and when decrypting, all the parameters of the airplane’s operation are displayed relative to time stamps.
            Another thing is that Lyubertsy seems to be practically Moscow, and there they found a warm place for not very large specialists, but very close relatives to very large people in the Moscow Region.
            1. Owl
              Owl 28 January 2017 13: 58
              +8
              if they don’t want to find a real, but very uncomfortable cause of the crash, very different from the official ...
              1. ancient
                ancient 28 January 2017 14: 56
                +5
                Quote: Eagle Owl
                if they don’t want to find a real, but very uncomfortable cause of the crash


                That’s exactly what they don’t want ... then it will not cost one to disband the base, but their heads will fly off and ... big posts! soldier
                1. 97110
                  97110 28 January 2017 17: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: ancient
                  but their heads will fly and ... great posts!

                  What is it all of a sudden? Never flew, but here "and heads fly ... and big posts!" Well, someone does not sit at home for long, if it is absolutely severe - he will spend 6 years probation.
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 28 January 2017 18: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: 97110
                    Never flew, but here "and heads fly ... and big posts!" Well, someone does not sit at home for long, if it is absolutely severe - he will spend 6 years probation.


                    I agree, but (here we are embarking on a very thin and slippery track of discussions) .. in short, as it were, to formulate, so as not to offend anyone, it’s more profitable to carry “potatoes” (for the family budget) than bombs soldier
                    And if you also PLAN these "transportation" then ..... and then you just ....... "give way .. under the sun."
                    By the way ..so everywhere and in all areas ... not only in transport aviation, but also in "special the same" soldier
                    1. 97110
                      97110 28 January 2017 18: 59
                      +1
                      Quote: ancient
                      here we enter a very thin and slippery track of discussions

                      I can’t be slippery - age does not allow.
                      1. ancient
                        ancient 28 January 2017 19: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: 97110
                        I can’t be slippery - age does not allow.


                        And we don’t let anyone ... but do they really look at it? wassat
              2. Orionvit
                Orionvit 28 January 2017 16: 01
                +5
                It should be noted that there can be no official version until the end of the investigation. Crew error, these are preliminary guesses. But immediately and with confidence swept away the attack, as really uncomfortable.
                1. ancient
                  ancient 28 January 2017 16: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: Orionvit
                  Crew error, these are preliminary guesses. But immediately and with confidence swept away the attack, as really uncomfortable.


                  The crew’s mistake is ... preliminary conclusions from the available "semi-official data" and photographs, but with the terrorist attack ... not at once, as it would be like over Sinai ... instantly and immediately and ... no words soldier
            2. ancient
              ancient 28 January 2017 14: 55
              +10
              Quote: Iline
              So something the Lyubertsy guys are dark. There can be no problems with deciphering the MSRP in principle. Moreover, time is recorded on the film and when decrypting, all the parameters of the airplane’s operation are displayed relative to time stamps.


              Absolutely everything is EXACTLY! drinks
              Let only 300 km go to Shaikovka ... everything is there to decipher the "ancient" means of recording flight parameters!
              On the tape there is an all-accurate half-second gradation of time intervals and all commands and actions on something and the entire current state of systems and assemblies ... just the infection does not write in and out of the crew, but ... you are on the mixture or on pure oxygen. .this is " soldier will register "
            3. Freeman
              Freeman 28 January 2017 19: 42
              +2
              Iline Today, 13:40
              the principle of recording basic parametric flight data by scratching with ruby ​​rods on a conventional 35 mm film is used

              From the source http://walera11.livejournal.com/1261121.html
              Maksym riznychenko
              Jan 28, 2017 13:08 (UTC)
              Let's dig to the finals.
              There are three recorders on board:
              - MSRP-64 - the main;
              - K3-63 - operational (military board, under the jurisdiction of Bulletin No. 154-5545 BE did not fall, it was not necessary to dismantle and replace with ZBN);
              - MARS-BM on-board tape recorder - recording of internal negotiations.

              The bottom line:
              - the first was raised by MARS-BM on the 27th of December (Google), after which the version of "Flaps, b * i" appeared. No wonder, the record of the negotiations;
              - the second was raised by MSRP-64 on December 28 (Google, on RG RU there are excellent pictures that show the MLP-14-5 inscription). On December 29, NTV announced an "early decoding" of the main parametric and speech recorders
              .
              in the photo the rise of the recorder, appearance, device and principle of recording

          2. ancient
            ancient 28 January 2017 14: 51
            +14
            Quote: pv1005
            And apparently you were standing nearby at that moment and saw everything, and then you jumped down with a parachute in order to tell everyone the truth.


            Just ALL planes fly according to the laws of AERODYNAMICS, and they are ONE for ALL .... even for ROCKET wassat
            And if you remove something at the “unnecessary” moment, then the flight turns into a fall anyway and you can try to fix it only if there is a reserve of altitude, and of light flight weight.
            Then all the conversations and commands on KKD in the cockpit WRITE !!!! So even from the Scraps that "leaked" to the Internet, it was possible to understand that after climbing 120 meters, the right-winger, at the command of K.K., removed ... VARIABLES instead of SHASIA ... then the siren howled, then K.K saw everything recognized the well-known phrase "..Wings ......" and then ..
            Well, when they raised the right plane from the water with the mechanization completely removed and with the landing gears standing on the locks ..... what else do you need to tell? request
            1. pv1005
              pv1005 28 January 2017 16: 00
              +4
              Quote: ancient
              Quote: pv1005
              And apparently you were standing nearby at that moment and saw everything, and then you jumped down with a parachute in order to tell everyone the truth.


              Just ALL planes fly according to the laws of AERODYNAMICS, and they are ONE for ALL .... even for ROCKET wassat
              And if you remove something at the “unnecessary” moment, then the flight turns into a fall anyway and you can try to fix it only if there is a reserve of altitude, and of light flight weight.
              Then all the conversations and commands on KKD in the cockpit WRITE !!!! So even from the Scraps that "leaked" to the Internet, it was possible to understand that after climbing 120 meters, the right-winger, at the command of K.K., removed ... VARIABLES instead of SHASIA ... then the siren howled, then K.K saw everything recognized the well-known phrase "..Wings ......" and then ..
              Well, when they raised the right plane from the water with the mechanization completely removed and with the landing gears standing on the locks ..... what else do you need to tell? request

              Nothing for me. Just enraged statements of individual individuals like
              ZVS
              Today, 13: 09
              You do not know, do not "whistle".
              There was a mistake by a crew member. Instead of the chassis flaps were removed.
              It seems that he is the chairman of the state commission and has already signed an act of investigation into the crash. But thank God this is not so, otherwise they will be investigated. Well, as long as there is no official conclusion and act, everyone has the right to put forward their (albeit delusional) VERSION. Well, here we either support it, or put forward our arguments against it. But like this "You shut up and listen to what I say" in the circle of normal people is not accepted. hi
              1. ancient
                ancient 28 January 2017 16: 19
                +1
                Quote: pv1005
                But like this "You shut up and listen to what I say" in the circle of normal people is not accepted.


                In principle, I agree with you, but with the exception of ...... "the circle of normal people" wink
                There are always two or more) incompatible and opposite ends .... and even more so with us .. when there are those who only fellow , but there are realists soldier
                That is why such "situations" are obtained.
                I’ll say it again to me ... such things have always been brought to the attention of the public regarding open, closed views ... according to the results of the year, review bulletins came out ..... that's all!
            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet 28 January 2017 17: 16
              +6
              Quote: ancient
              Well, when they raised the right plane from the water with the mechanization completely removed and with the landing gears standing on the locks ..... what else do you need to tell?

              Fighting swimmers of Prince Borghese, having made their way to the Tu-154 crash site, pushed the flaps, pulled out the chassis and locked them in order to hide the sabotage organized by the group of Obersturmbannführer Otto Skorzeny, who had arrived from a secret base in Antarctica! fellow So what was it, Meehan? smile
              1. ancient
                ancient 28 January 2017 18: 24
                +4
                Quote: Bayonet
                So what was it, Meehan?


                He probably all depends on ..... "quantity" drinks wink
          3. Bayonet
            Bayonet 28 January 2017 15: 51
            +2
            Quote: pv1005
            And apparently you were standing nearby at that moment and saw everything, and then you jumped down with a parachute in order to tell everyone the truth.

            Mikhan saw saboteurs, although he was not standing nearby smile
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 28 January 2017 19: 02
              +2
              Quote: Bayonet
              Mikhan saw saboteurs, although he was not standing nearby

              Meehan just with his sofa out of the circle of liberoidoffff escaped, take his horseradish wassat
              1. ancient
                ancient 28 January 2017 19: 34
                +2
                Quote: Stroporez
                Meehan t


                So Meehan is now which ... "Liberoid"? wink And that’s all Mikhan, but Mikhan ... but I don’t recognize him in makeup wassat
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 28 January 2017 20: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: ancient
                  So Meehan is now which ... "Liberoid"? And that’s all Mikhan, but Mikhan ... but I don’t recognize him in makeup

                  What he just was not! I already suggested that he be called Phoenix - reborn again and again wassat Add only serial number laughing
                2. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 28 January 2017 21: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: ancient

                  2
                  ancient Today, 19:34 ↑ New
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Meehan t


                  So Meehan is now which ... "Liberoid"? wink And that’s all Mikhan, yes Mikhan ... but I don’t recognize him in wassat makeup

                  Mikhan is a Zhirinovsky site, he has nicknames like kaklov grass wassat

                  We must give him his due, he is stubborn, like a five-legged animal, which in his childhood at the zoo, he again blunted an avatar with a broken helmet laughing
                  And what is most characteristic, the anthem knows, the GDP listens standing up and outlines, does not swear, does not thump on branches, but bans him, like that of this “cat”.
                  I think that when his helmet broke, fragments were stuck somewhere in the tower, but you’ll take his hell anyway! tongue
        2. Liberoid-
          Liberoid- 28 January 2017 13: 27
          +3
          Quote: SU
          You do not know, do not "whistle".
          There was a mistake by a crew member. Instead of the chassis flaps were removed.

          heh heh ... You have a good emblem, have you disguised yourself? Of course, the mistake of the recruits of the pilots, who is arguing .. To fly to Syria it’s like spraying on a farm on the farm ...
          1. ancient
            ancient 28 January 2017 15: 00
            +6
            Quote: Liberoid
            heh heh ... You have a good emblem, have you disguised yourself? Of course, the mistake of the recruits of the pilots, who is arguing .. To fly to Syria it’s like spraying on a farm on the farm ...


            According to your comment, it’s clear that you are a plane ... you saw only in the picture.!
            1. Errors are made not only by recruits, but also by very, very mature and experienced pilots!
            2. What is the difference between flying on an international airway and an intra-union highway? So what are used instead of PRS theirs WOR / DME and radio in English?
            1. Alex_Tug
              Alex_Tug 28 January 2017 18: 07
              +2
              1. Errors are made not only by recruits, but also by very, very mature and experienced pilots!

              - 120 meters in height for the Tu-154, it's almost zero. There, the pilots no longer have time to correct their mistake.
              - On current planes, autopilots (here different systems operate FCS, FMS) will not allow such a mistake when piloting. If they are not disabled only.
              1. ancient
                ancient 28 January 2017 18: 26
                +2
                Quote: Alex_Tug
                - On current planes, autopilots (here different systems operate FCS, FMS) will not allow such a mistake when piloting. If they are not disabled only.


                On YouTube, a bunch of any take-offs of the Tu-154 with the KKD reading! drinks
            2. KVIRTU
              KVIRTU 28 January 2017 18: 54
              0
              "What is the difference between flying on an international airway"
              If you didn’t know:
              "Chapter XI. International Air Law

              Another category is made by the straits connecting the open sea with the Black type seas and being the only way out of them. The legal regime of such straits is regulated by special international treaties.

              So, the regime of the Bosporus and Dardanelles is defined by the Convention on the regime of the Black Sea Straits, signed in Montreux in 1936. In accordance with the provisions of Art. 23 of the Convention, civilian aircraft operating on regular flights may cross the strait area along the routes established by the Turkish government upon notification of the date approved in the flight schedule. For irregular flights, a notification is sent three days before the flight. The granting by Turkey of permission to fly over these straits of other aircraft is based on the consideration of its national interests. "
              Source: Valeev R.M., Kurdyukov G.I. International law. Special part: Textbook for universities. - M .: 2010
              1. ancient
                ancient 28 January 2017 19: 37
                0
                Quote: KVIRTU
                "What is the difference between flying on an international airway"


                Why are you doing this? belay request
                1. KVIRTU
                  KVIRTU 28 January 2017 20: 10
                  +1
                  They themselves, in fact, were asked. Our Tu also planned a flight over the straits, bypassing Turkey, because they killed him with kerosene to the eyeballs. Plus, they did not control hand luggage in Sochi, and there they tried to give gifts to our military (it’s clear that they overloaded, they normally flew from Zhukovsky). You don’t think that directly they (the Turks) would have launched a military board in the shortest possible way. An alternative is like bombers from Mozdok through Iran. But there would entail a lot of extra. coordination with other states.
                  Sincerely. (last 8 years in Crimea air traffic control system)
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 28 January 2017 21: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: KVIRTU
                    They themselves, in fact, were asked.


                    It is clear!
                    I, by the second sentence, answered my “question”, which is not a question at all, but almost not covered by sarcasm wassat
                    And you tell me how the fly plan is served.
                    All BTA aircraft are not flying under the “flag” of the RF Ministry of Defense, but under the “flag” of AEROFLOT., That is. the UTP callsign is “lay”, then yes ... THEY go as you write ... according to the MVL established in Turkey, etc.
                    Here, "FPL" is sent through the General Headquarters of the Turkish Air Force and goes under military "callsigns" along the route, which is agreed with the Turks.
                    Best regards soldier



                    Aircraft Tu-134B-2 RA-65733, follows the route from Chkalovskaya to Khmeimim through the airspace of Turkey "DIRECT" soldier

                    Well, takeoff with the maximum takeoff weight ... with a good runway, and even at night (at low temperatures) .. what's the problem? .. except for engine failure on takeoff.
                    Or do you think that the alignment suddenly somehow changed ... after all, the same took off from Chkalovsk ... not empty? wink
                    1. KVIRTU
                      KVIRTU 30 January 2017 22: 08
                      0
                      Sensible answer. Nice to talk.
                    2. KVIRTU
                      KVIRTU 30 January 2017 22: 45
                      0
                      But.
                      "The public service Flightradar24, which allows real-time monitoring of the position of aircraft, announced its lack of information on the Tu-154 flight. “At the moment, we have not received data from the Russian Tu-154, which crashed after the departure from Sochi,” the service said on Twitter on the morning of December 25th."
                      "As the representative of the resource Flightradar24 Jan Petchenik explained, this happens with airplanes flying with the transponders turned off"
                      "...as a year ago, due to the ban on flights over Turkey, routes of such flights pass over the Caspian Sea, Iran and Iraq."
                      "...fromthe plane was supposed to land for refueling in Mozdok, however, due to weather conditions, the airfield was changed to Sochi, the military said. Two minutes after takeoff from Adler Airport near the city of Sochi, the airliner disappeared from the radar. This happened at 5.25 Moscow time, according to the official statement of the Ministry of Defense"

                      After Adler, it was suggested that he would go through the straits.
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 28 January 2017 16: 31
            +1
            Quote: Liberoid
            To fly to Syria is like spraying on a collective farm on a field ...

            What's so complicated? I would look at what young guys fly abroad as well.
        3. Koshak
          Koshak 28 January 2017 13: 34
          +2
          Quote: SU
          You do not know, do not "whistle".
          There was a mistake by a crew member. Instead of the chassis flaps were removed.

          In how. Was he on board and saw everything?
      3. vovanpain
        vovanpain 28 January 2017 13: 37
        +14
        Quote: Liberoid
        At the same time, it was announced that today the only version being worked out is the crew error version.

        I do not believe ... too much this disaster struck into the soul of Russia!
        Let's remember the Kursk nuclear submarine .. The diversion is unambiguous and this too ..!

        It may be enough to wang one, or one grandmother ruined the air, the other immediately picks up. negative Was there official confirmation or refutation? There wasn’t, so let’s wait, damn the mountain gave birth to a mouse this is called. negative vanguards, spies seem to be everywhere.
        1. Liberoid-
          Liberoid- 28 January 2017 13: 52
          0
          Quote: vovanpain
          Maybe it’s enough to wang one, and then one grandmother ruined the air, another immediately picks

          Well enough ... And yet it’s not clean here. hi Let the "polymers" shut up too!
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 28 January 2017 15: 56
            +4
            Quote: Liberoid
            Well enough ... And yet it’s not clean here.

            There is such a breed of people - they will impose in trousers, and saboteurs are blamed for this! smile You can’t trust anyone, not even yourself ...
        2. Vladimir Postnikov
          Vladimir Postnikov 28 January 2017 14: 48
          +3
          Who should voice the official version so that he can be trusted?
          Konashenkov? But he recently stated that there was no crew error.
          Was this the official version?
          Here the question is much more serious than it seems at first glance.
          Smart people are never afraid to admit their guilt, because they understand that everyone is mistaken, and you just need to work on the mistakes to avoid repeating them.
          But there is a category of people, I call them PR specialists who trumpet about the positive, hiding the negative. These teeth cling to their place without disdaining dirty methods. Bad people.
          Did they tell you the true official reason for the fall of MIG-29 near Kuznetsov? No, they didn’t. Everyone on this forum has "wiped themselves out" with various versions, which one they like best. For example, I believe in the version that kerosene has ended, because the PR specialists mentioned above did not send him to the mainland on time.
          What do we see about this accident? We see mouse fuss.
          Do not trust Kommersant? Do it right. The media cannot be trusted.
          Do you trust Rossiyskaya Gazeta? https://rg.ru/2017/01/28/reg-ufo/smi-raskryli-rez
          ultaty-rassledovaniia-katastrofy-tu-154.html
          And from whom then do you expect the true official version? Who will voice it?
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 28 January 2017 15: 58
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
            And from whom then do you expect the true official version? Who will voice it?

            The Liberoid - Meehan! wassat
            1. ancient
              ancient 28 January 2017 16: 20
              +6
              Quote: Bayonet
              The Liberoid - Meehan!


              I killed him completely .... 15 minutes "patstalom" wassat
        3. Orionvit
          Orionvit 28 January 2017 16: 05
          +2
          Quote: vovanpain
          Was there an official confirmation or refutation?

          So it’s time already. At least preliminary results of the investigation. And then this silence leads to not very good thoughts that they are again hiding something from the people.
      4. Juborg
        Juborg 28 January 2017 15: 31
        0
        Liberals (traitors) just to spit. Everything is so bad with us.
      5. renics
        renics 28 January 2017 21: 10
        0
        A state of faith or disbelief is more likely to relate to the topic of religion and its theological content. You need to go to church sites and discuss this issue there. And Kursk is not worth manipulating memories of the tragedy with the nuclear submarines, this material has already been discussed a few days ago here.
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 28 January 2017 12: 21
    +4
    Something is being hidden from the public.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 28 January 2017 12: 34
      +24
      Quote: Teberii
      Something is being hidden from the public.

      Only one thing is hidden from the public -mess which, like the tentacles of an octopus, has penetrated into all spheres of activity. "Washing" of specialists, continuous nepotism and blat. The further, the worse!
      Soon there will be no one to decide the issues with, a solid thug young. (from my own practice). (IMHO)
      1. Hydrograph
        Hydrograph 28 January 2017 13: 13
        +5
        +100500. I agree and fully support it.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 28 January 2017 13: 24
          +8
          Soon there will be no one to decide the issues with, a solid thug young. (from my own practice)

          I am joining! I felt it in my own skin!
      2. ancient
        ancient 28 January 2017 15: 02
        +4
        Quote: kapitan92
        Only one thing is hidden from the public


        I fully support! soldier I wrote about it above myself, though it's very veiled, because just returned from another bathhouse, into which he was sent only for looking to the side ... THE untouchables ... not to mention the fact that they write something or answer soldier
        1. Vladimir Postnikov
          Vladimir Postnikov 28 January 2017 16: 29
          +4
          When humanities by education (international journalist) D. Rogozin is put at the head of the defense industry, what can be expected from this leader?
          It was not by chance that I emphasized "humanities." This is not an accidental selection among young people when choosing a future profession. In this period of life (16-20 years), a person is determined with his interests and receives further basic knowledge in the field he has finally chosen.
          After Rogozin was appointed to lead an industry in which he knows little, he has only one way to stay in this position - to pick up a team of expert advisors. This means only one thing, that he, acting as an arbiter in the disputes of specialists (which a real leader should do) does not rely on his own experience, but on the opinion of his expert advisers. This is a very fertile ground for the manipulation of such a leader.
          At the same time I add that it is a great mistake to think that money is everything.
          Here is a useful link: http://chius.ru
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 28 January 2017 18: 52
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
            When humanities by education (international journalist) D. Rogozin is put at the head of the defense industry, what can be expected from this leader?

            You can expect his son to become director of a defense plant fellow Talent.
            1. Vladimir Postnikov
              Vladimir Postnikov 28 January 2017 19: 04
              +3
              Quote: Stroporez
              You can expect his son to become the director of the defense plant fellow Talent.

              Serdyukov, who today is a member of the board of directors of more than one defense company, has this talent. Look at the result of my reference, and take this result for granted.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 28 January 2017 19: 12
                +2
                Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
                Serdyukov, who today is a member of the board of directors of more than one defense company, has this talent. Look at the result of my reference, and take this result for granted.

                That's why he is feudal oligarchic capitalism.
              2. ancient
                ancient 28 January 2017 19: 42
                +1
                Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
                Serdyukov also has this talent.


                Only talent should be taken in quotation marks (we will not name the surname of “talent”) ... there are still a bunch of all kinds of “sons” in “talents” with bird surnames and others wassat
            2. ancient
              ancient 28 January 2017 19: 39
              +2
              Quote: Stroporez
              You can expect his son to become director of a defense plant


              The same with the "indication" that the salary should not exceed 15 thousand rubles, and everything else is only due to processing wink
              And then there will never be any ... dissatisfied ... because. there will be no time wassat
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 28 January 2017 16: 03
        +7
        Quote: kapitan92
        "Washing" of specialists, continuous nepotism and blat.

        That's right. At our place of work, the head of the personnel department has already attached more than a dozen of her relatives! And not anyhow what posts (although they are rare oaks smile ), and appropriated the title "Master of Communication"! Even the director cannot do anything, because her sister in Moscow is sitting above us! request
        1. ancient
          ancient 28 January 2017 16: 23
          +5
          Quote: Bayonet
          and I’ve appropriated the title “Master of Communication”! Even the director cannot do anything, because her sister in Moscow is sitting above us!


          I’ve been telling my lieutenants all my life ... you’re all dreaming of becoming generals; wink (nothing personal, it’s just that the daughter of the division commander or the commander of the VA or GSVG .. will never work in the flight canteen wink )
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 28 January 2017 19: 05
          +2
          Bayonet Today, 16:03
          That's right. At our place of work, the head of the personnel department has already attached more than a dozen of her relatives! And not for any posts whatsoever (although they are rare oaks :)), but I’ve appropriated the title of “Master of Communication”! Even the director cannot do anything, because her sister in Moscow is sitting above us! request

          What's wrong? There are "connections" in Moscow, which means "master." wink
      4. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 28 January 2017 18: 57
        +3
        Quote: kapitan92
        Only one thing is hidden from the public

        This is now called the "power vertical" with "manual control".
        Quote: kapitan92
        which, like the tentacles of an octopus, penetrated into all spheres of activity. "Wash" specialists, continuous nepotism and blat

        Soon the posts will be inherited and only two classes will be successfully formed in the country, the class of managers and the class of security guards.
        Quote: kapitan92
        Soon there will be no one to decide the issues with, a solid thug young. (from my own practice). (IMHO)

        Duc, so it is, also from personal experience.
        1. ancient
          ancient 28 January 2017 19: 44
          +1
          Quote: Stroporez
          Soon the posts will be inherited and only two classes will be successfully formed in the country, the class of managers and the class of security guards.


          Why did you oversleep the little one .... already as from 15 years this system "works" wassat
          Well, do you remember the famous old joke about how the son asks the Pope Major, and if I become a lieutenant, I will rise to the rank of colonel? wassat
    2. Serg 122
      Serg 122 28 January 2017 13: 01
      0
      My question arose: Can not or do not want to ?! Will they also report to the President of the country? Will they need money to restore what was lost? No words only emotions... angry
    3. Koshak
      Koshak 28 January 2017 13: 36
      +4
      Quote: Teberii
      Something is being hidden from the public.

      Guys, I don’t want to send people like you there, for which they ban me here. Well, is it really difficult to wait for the results of the investigation, and not to splash out your emotions and assumptions before that, relying on all kinds of stuffing?
    4. Prince of Pensions
      Prince of Pensions 28 January 2017 16: 22
      0
      Of course they hide it. For what reasons do planes crash on take-off?
      Not a UFO crashed into a plane.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 28 January 2017 17: 22
        +1
        Quote: Prince of Pensions
        Of course they hide it. For what reasons do planes crash on take-off?

        For different, but what should not? The pilots even have a saying on the occasion: "takeoff is dangerous, flight is beautiful, landing is difficult."
      2. stasimar
        stasimar 28 January 2017 18: 19
        0
        Zionists sacrificed to Hanukkah
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 28 January 2017 20: 22
          +2
          Quote: stasimar
          Zionists sacrificed to Hanukkah

          1. stasimar
            stasimar 29 January 2017 11: 46
            0
            well, wait for the "believable" version for cattle.
      3. stasimar
        stasimar 28 January 2017 18: 20
        +1
        Zionists sacrificed to Hanukkah
      4. ancient
        ancient 28 January 2017 19: 45
        +1
        Quote: Prince of Pensions
        For what reasons do planes crash on take-off?


        Like all objects ...... Newton’s second law wink
  3. sir_obs
    sir_obs 28 January 2017 12: 22
    +8
    cheap sensations from unnamed sources seem to be becoming contagious. The amers have either adopted the style, we have a source, but we will not disclose it.
    there is reliable infa, provide evidence, but no, shut up the fountain and let it rest.
  4. sds87
    sds87 28 January 2017 12: 30
    +5
    Well, people born before the 2000s, I think they can work with film. And the technique for working with magnetic film is stored by many. I still have 2 tape recorders under my cassette at home. I don’t use it for a long time. Even laser CDs with music gather dust on a shelf. Now I listen to music from a smartphone in mp3 format or from a computer. And specialists working with films should not be difficult to find. Kommersant is clearly driving the wave. However, what else to expect from such media?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 28 January 2017 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: sds87
      Kommersant is clearly driving the wave. However, what else to expect from such media?

      The Komsomolskaya Pravda has the same information.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 28 January 2017 18: 48
        +4
        Quote: Bayonet
        The Komsomolskaya Pravda has the same information.

        And they have more than one owner?
        From the Komsomol truth, there is no "truth", no "Komsomol", so the "yellow" newspaper.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 28 January 2017 20: 27
          +2
          Quote: Stroporez
          From the Komsomol truth, there is no "truth", no "Komsomol", so the "yellow" newspaper.

          But is there such that without yellowness? smile
    2. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 28 January 2017 19: 45
      +2
      Not a film thing

      Left - film, right, emergency - wire.
      More precisely, such, they were only abandoned in 2016, switched to solid state

      And to reproduce need

      I used to use it.
      1. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU 28 January 2017 20: 22
        0
        Did not fit
  5. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 28 January 2017 12: 31
    +8
    We laugh at the West, but what do you get, it’s not far gone, but in some ways have overtaken? ?? Maybe experts just don’t want to read the data, because someone on the top needs it ??? Figs knows when the mess will end in the country, when the authorities think that the people have the right to work, which is well and timely paid, has the right to know the truth, albeit unpleasant about this or that event.
    1. dauria
      dauria 28 January 2017 13: 07
      +6
      Maybe experts simply do not want to read the data, since someone on the top needs it?


      Or maybe everything is easier? Magazines need to live, that’s what they earn for food. Well, they don’t have anything, they don’t allow them to work in the commission (and rightly, they never let them in). So come up with. The question is one, but why should we read their tales?
      1. Banishing liberoids
        Banishing liberoids 28 January 2017 13: 28
        +3
        Alexey hi , with the mess that is going on around you no longer know who to believe, and whether it is possible to trust anyone at all, especially as regards the media as it is not regrettable.
        1. dauria
          dauria 28 January 2017 13: 52
          +4
          Well, not for me to teach you soldier You know very well. Information in the part will come in the form of an order "in the part concerning". Only those who need it. And the mistakes and blame of senior officers will not be reported to sergeants and privates. And this is a military board. What they consider it necessary to inform, that will be. Although, in some ways you’re right - sometimes you get the feeling that some of the top people didn’t serve in the army either.
          1. creak
            creak 28 January 2017 15: 56
            +7
            Quote: dauria
            sometimes there is a feeling that some of the elite did not serve in the army either.

            Feeling does not fail you - Shoigu did not serve a day in the Army, nor did several of his deputies ....
      2. vovanpain
        vovanpain 28 January 2017 13: 51
        +11
        Quote: dauria
        The question is one, but why should we read their tales?

        The question is still another colleague, why the hell are these fables and why to spread on VO? negativeRegards, Colleague! hi
        1. ancient
          ancient 28 January 2017 15: 07
          +7
          Quote: vovanpain
          The question is still another colleague, why the hell are these fables and why to spread on VO? Regards, Colleague!


          You are very "good" below answered Koshak ... that in time to identify such as the "Exorcising liberoids" well, and "other" and it is advisable to clear the site from them (us) so that only fellow и tongue
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 28 January 2017 16: 35
            +5
            Quote: ancient
            it is advisable to clean the site from them (us) so that it would only be

            Anyway, buses do not go, the metro is closed, they don’t get in a taxi. laughing
    2. Koshak
      Koshak 28 January 2017 13: 57
      +1
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      We laugh at the West, but what do you get, it’s not far gone, but in some ways have overtaken? ? When will the mess in the country end at all, when the authorities will think that the people have the right to work, which is well and timely paid, has the right to know the truth, albeit unpleasant, about this or that event.

      Well, what have the "black boxes" and the crash of the plane? Lord under the nickname "Banishing liberoids"Are you here as someone?
      1. Cat moore
        Cat moore 28 January 2017 14: 46
        +2
        Well, he expels competitors by "crying Yaroslavna" to the state and government.
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 28 January 2017 16: 20
      0
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      when the authorities think that the people have the right to work well and well paid on time, they have the right to know the truth, albeit unpleasant about this or that event.

      All this is true, but sometimes people sometimes come up against the truth with hostility, not all truth is to his liking! smile
    4. 97110
      97110 28 January 2017 18: 03
      +5
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      when the authorities think that the people have the right to work well and on time, they have the right to know the truth,

      Ek you suffered then ... What is such a "people"? The electorate has the right to cast a vote. They gave it away. Individuals selling their labor have the right to fight for the “well and timely paid” price of their labor. Trade unions offer services, only pay dues. Communist parties (I remember in the ballot there were already TWO of them, for fear of the bourgeoisie) the laws are promoting, they are working with the electorate. Everyone is happy - the election results and percentage ratings are published. Who else do you have among the “people”? Deputies of the sovereign Duma? Buyers of labor? They, too, all the way. Calm down already and enjoy life in a comfortable country.
  6. irbis0373
    irbis0373 28 January 2017 12: 35
    +3
    Against the background of the fact that official sources are silent about the progress of the investigation, such publications and throw in information. Either open the source, or do not post such crap. How nevertheless some media like to raise their reputation and earn popularity by such methods.
    But the fact that official sources are silent is certainly not good either. Although it must be remembered that the process of finding out the causes can take a long, very long time, there can be a great many factors that led to the disaster.
    I hope that the specialists will understand the experts and we will still learn the truth.
    1. 97110
      97110 28 January 2017 18: 08
      +4
      Quote: irbis0373
      Either open the source, or do not post such crap.

      This is through why? People legally profit - a worthy occupation in a capitalist society. They will not publish "such crap" - the publication rating will drop, the owner will suffer a loss and refuse the services of the "shark pen" that does not publish crap.
  7. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 28 January 2017 12: 41
    +2
    Quote: Teberii
    Something is being hidden from the public.

    The information is not complete, in the article. The data was transferred to the IAC. They have such equipment. And soon the films will be decrypted.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 28 January 2017 12: 59
      +11
      Yes Yes. And for a whole month they (at the Scientific Research Institute of the Air Force) "deciphered" something and, it must be said, they didn’t even know that they turned out to have no specialists and technical means that could read data from a magnetic tape ... Only now suddenly understood and handed over the MAC.
  8. Ham
    Ham 28 January 2017 12: 42
    +5
    Well, of course, there is no one to analyze at the NIIC of the Air Force of the Russian Federation, but in the cesspool, the "businessman" has someone ... else they would connect the "experts" from the "express newspaper" and with "ren-tv"
    and immediately everyone cried out ...
  9. Glory1974
    Glory1974 28 January 2017 12: 49
    +8
    There is no smoke without fire. The situation is clearly ambiguous. When in Europe, the pilot of the airliner committed suicide by transferring a plane with passengers at its peak, the decryption results were released the next day.

    Here, either the really old “black boxes” cannot restore bits of information (remember SU-24 brought down by the Turks), or there is something to hide and wait for the disaster to be forgotten.
    1. Liberoid-
      Liberoid- 28 January 2017 13: 03
      +4
      Quote: glory1974
      or there is something to hide and wait for the disaster to be forgotten.

      Most likely this option .... hi Because if you reveal the truth, then you have to declare a war ...
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 28 January 2017 16: 23
        0
        Quote: Liberoid
        Because if you reveal the truth, then you have to declare a war ...

        I would have declared war on the trepach !!! am
    2. Ham
      Ham 28 January 2017 13: 08
      0
      Are you directly 100% sure of the veracity of the information provided "the next day"? I remember on the downed Boeing, too, "the next day" they issued the info ...
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 28 January 2017 13: 12
        +1
        Are you directly at 100% sure of the veracity of the information provided "the next day"?

        When there are no people interested in hiding the truth, we see that everyone does it quickly and clearly, as in this example.
        But if something is hiding, then information stuffing and speculation begins.
        1. Ham
          Ham 28 January 2017 13: 16
          +1
          and who is "interested"? right from the very beginning, you conclude: someone is interested in hiding!
          but at the same time, the official data for you is a deliberate lie, and the infa of the yellow newspaper, long convicted of various stuffing, is the truth ...
          so maybe you yourself a provocateur engaged in stuffing and speculation?
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 28 January 2017 13: 23
            +1
            right from the start, conclude: someone is interested in hiding


            Not from the very beginning, but after a month from the day of the disaster.

            but at the same time, the official data for you is a deliberate lie, and the infa of a yellow newspaper, long convicted of various stuffing, is true.

            So I write about it! Official data where? And the stuffing is full! Question: who benefits from this?
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 28 January 2017 17: 26
              +1
              Quote: glory1974
              And the stuffing is full! Question: who benefits from this?

              Fools!
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 28 January 2017 23: 13
                0
                Fools!


                show me one who considers himself a fool.

                So in your version "nobody"? or "everyone"?
    3. Cat moore
      Cat moore 28 January 2017 14: 49
      0
      And when a military aircraft crashes in Europe or the USA, does the public also report all the results? Or is all the information left with the military? Do not confuse the civilian side with the board of the Ministry of Defense.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 28 January 2017 23: 15
        0
        And when a military aircraft crashes in Europe or the USA, does the public also report all the results?

        If socially significant, then YES. They report (or pretend).

        And we have just such a situation, but they don’t tell us anything. Therefore, questions (at least pretended).
  10. ZVS
    ZVS 28 January 2017 13: 04
    +4
    The frank lie of the leadership of the Russian Aerospace Forces. The aircraft cannot be operated if there are no specialists and equipment for decoding the RNS in the structure of the unit. Moreover, in Chkalovsky all planes have MSRP, which is located on the Tu-154.
    1. Ham
      Ham 28 January 2017 13: 11
      +7
      Old newspaper "Kommersant" issued! and on the basis of this information you write: a blatant lie of leadership ...
      you are a direct provocateur with the emblem of the USSR on the avatar ...
      1. Liberoid-
        Liberoid- 28 January 2017 13: 35
        +3
        Quote: Ham
        you are a direct provocateur with the emblem of the USSR on the avatar ...

        You still have to fight ...)))) You also have an avatar .. wassat
  11. Bronevick
    Bronevick 28 January 2017 13: 09
    +3
    Why was there a solid-state drive on the Su-24 in Syria, and here is the film? Yes, and let the film, but where all the equipment for decoding Delhi, thrown away? Obviously they want to hide something.
  12. V.ic
    V.ic 28 January 2017 13: 09
    +2
    "MSRPP" no one already knows? Well, then, "glory" to Serdyukov, optimized, for .ranets!
    1. iouris
      iouris 28 January 2017 14: 00
      +2
      MSRP-12, -64 or -256.
      It just can't be. This message is a duck. Most likely, they will drag out time.
  13. Alex 2016
    Alex 2016 28 January 2017 13: 15
    0
    Laughing however))
  14. vmo
    vmo 28 January 2017 13: 30
    0
    Kommersant "(AkA" speculator ") liberoid proherovskoe edition

    In general, to close these talkers, and not only this, but all the liberal abomination, otherwise these bastards have always secret virtual informants, send these magazines away, where they know well, they sent more than once!
  15. Antor
    Antor 28 January 2017 13: 39
    +2
    Kommersant is that newspaper in terms of issuing information and its focus .. !!?
    Write off everything to the crew, two fingers on the asphalt, but then why did they disband the base from which the plane flew ?? Because of the mess on it, or because of some sort of sabotage component !! ??? So far, only questions and the farther there will be no answer to them, the more there will be an understanding that something is hiding, which is not good !!!
    Better the bitter truth than ..... !!! ???
    1. Liberoid-
      Liberoid- 28 January 2017 13: 57
      0
      Quote: Antor
      Better the bitter truth than ..... !!! ???

      And if true, then it is time to declare war .. Already two of our liners blew up!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 28 January 2017 17: 37
        +3
        Quote: Liberoid
        And if true, then it is time to declare war ..

        Listen, immortal Meehan! Here you remind me of one "formidable samurai" from the film Takeshi Kitano - "Zatoichi"! He also ran there all the time with a spear laughing I advise you to look! smile
  16. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 28 January 2017 13: 56
    +5
    What nonsense is indicated as a reason?
    At the risk of getting a second warning, an extensive quote:
    Emergency recorder of flight data system MSRP-12-96
    The MSRP-64 system provides registration of measuring, service and auxiliary information. Measurement information includes analog parameters and one-time commands, taped in digital eight-bit binary code. Service information written in eight-bit conditional binary decimal code. The auxiliary information consists of time stamps, frame, subframe, and channel pulses. As the information carrier, a magnetic tape 19,05 mm wide and 0,055 mm thick is used. The speed of the tape is 2,67 mm / s. Information is recorded by two blocks of heads - each block contains 14 recording heads, which are also erasing.

    One recording frame is a section of a magnetic tape on which information of one cycle (one second) is recorded and consists of 64 channels (hence the name - MSRP-64).
    .....
    The decoding of information recorded by the system is performed on the NDU-8 ground-based decoding device or on the automated and express-processing flight information system “Luch-74” based on the M6000, “Luch-84” based on the CM1420. There is also a more modern software package for data processing of the registrar type MSRP-12-96 and MSRP-64 - this is Luch-TN.02, made under Windows

    Source: http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/247399#.D0.
    9C.D0.A1.D0.A0.D0.9F-64
    Thus, decryption is performed automatically. On the computer. So what other numbers are missing?
  17. SPB.RU
    SPB.RU 28 January 2017 14: 10
    +4
    The terrorist attack is clear! But the government is on the alert, just like with Kursk ... And this will be a serious blow to the reputation of GDP. If you add up the whole chain of sabotage and terrorist attacks since 2000, it turns out that it is under the rule of GDP that Russia is the most unstable , although without internal military conflicts.
    1. sds87
      sds87 28 January 2017 22: 34
      +1
      I also wanted to recall the Kursk nuclear submarine. So the whole truth was not told about the reason for the appearance of a hole in the case with the edges of the hole bent inward. It is almost certain that the US submarine then launched a torpedo. I also remember how long the rescue work was carried out. How long was the operation to cut the body. And how the last knocks of dying submariners subsided. The truth died with them. But then, too, the publication of the real reason could lead to war. That’s the truth and they were hidden at the cost of the life of the Kursk submarine.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 28 January 2017 23: 31
        +2
        I also wanted to recall the Kursk nuclear submarine. So the whole truth was not told about the reason for the appearance of a hole in the case with the edges of the hole bent inward. It is almost certain that the US submarine then launched a torpedo. I also remember how long the rescue work was carried out. How long was the operation to cut the body. And how the last knocks of dying submariners subsided. The truth died with them. BUT


        I agree with you.
        After the death of "Kursk" I read the newspaper "Top Secret". (released next month). They said: at first there was an explosion of 100-150 kg in TNT, then the 2-th explosion of 1500-2000 kg in TNT. And they put forward their version. A few years later, and the “Kursk” was raised and the investigation was carried out, but the same version was pushed to us, but with variations. The State Commission in the newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta read the report in 2002 personally, found nothing new for itself.
  18. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 28 January 2017 14: 16
    +1
    Quote: Volodin
    Yes Yes. And for a whole month they (at the Scientific Research Institute of the Air Force) "deciphered" something and, it must be said, they didn’t even know that they turned out to have no specialists and technical means that could read data from a magnetic tape ... Only now suddenly understood and handed over the MAC.

    Well, at least you would bother to find out why you can’t, at the NIIC Air Force, or maybe at the NAC? What are you making claims to me? After all, the causes of the disaster are already known. Small details remain. I believe them anyway. Do not believe it, your right .
  19. barclay
    barclay 28 January 2017 14: 22
    +2
    Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation called on journalists from Life to not engage in "spreading nonsense."
    In my opinion, the current situation is crazy.
    Kommersant’s material states that the Research and Development Center for the Operation and Repair of Aviation Equipment of the Russian Air Force (located in the Moscow Region) “has no equipment and specialists left” who can work with magnetic film.
    There is no equipment, so then why such recorders ?!
    since Tu-154B-2 installed "obsolete" flight recorders.
    They even try to install GLONASS on the very latest taxis, and here even the radio beacon did not manage to install the recorders. It turns out that we are “modernizing” - not quite where it is needed.
    1. SergeBS
      SergeBS 28 January 2017 19: 41
      0
      Quote: barclay
      They even try to install GLONASS on the very latest taxis, and here even the radio beacon did not manage to install the recorders.

      Beacons do not work from water. And not in the water - without radio beacons they find quickly. The meaning of a beacon?
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 28 January 2017 21: 09
        +1
        Quote: SergeBS
        Quote: barclay
        They even try to install GLONASS on the very latest taxis, and here even the radio beacon did not manage to install the recorders.

        Beacons do not work from water. And not in the water - without radio beacons they find quickly. The meaning of a beacon?

        Black boxes are equipped with an acoustic beacon, allowing it to be detected in water at a depth of up to 6000 meters for 30 days. At least such parameters in domestic products of the Nizhny Novgorod plant named after Petrovsky. hi
  20. Normal ok
    Normal ok 28 January 2017 14: 30
    +1
    Why not?
  21. UralMan
    UralMan 28 January 2017 14: 40
    0
    article .... another bullshit
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  23. vik669
    vik669 28 January 2017 15: 11
    +3
    Quote: ancient
    Absolutely everything is EXACTLY!

    If in a month the NIIC of the Air Force of the Russian Federation gives out that there is nothing and no one to analyze the data from the “black boxes” - then it’s not at all ridiculous and it’s time to ask the Internet for the “addresses and appearances” of those who can do this. And if the Lyubertsy have dropped “below the baseboard” then in Russia and in the vicinity there are enough specialists and equipment.
    Only - "I do not take a bribe - I feel sorry for the Power!"
    1. ancient
      ancient 28 January 2017 15: 48
      +2
      Quote: vik669
      Only - "I do not take a bribe - I feel sorry for the Power!"


      Now specialists are unnecessary ..... but only ... "talking heads" are needed .... the system however lol
      1. askort154
        askort154 28 January 2017 17: 32
        +6
        ancient ...... Now specialists are unnecessary ..... but only ... "talking heads" .... the system however lol


        Seryozha, welcome! And when it was different ?! In all kinds of “sports” (it used to be) - the honor of the uniform is above all. Now everything has changed. Now instead of the "uniform" - a wallet. And, as practice has shown, a wallet on the psyche of an unprincipled person presses more than a uniform. You and I understand that the reason has long been established. There was only one problem, “who should be turned into a switchman?” They killed “not mere mortals,” but the whole collective — the pride of the country.
        “I-killed” not the I-Vasyuki air carriers, but “killed” the MO air carriers! With any AK would have figured out - "prohibit", "reimburse", "forget"!
        With MO - so "no way!". Prestige, expenses, epaulettes -?! Therefore, preliminary, motley "stuffing" through the media is quite logical. How does a simple layman know what MSRP is, the main thing is that he is “old”! I hope that I am mistaken, and the true will triumph. I'm an optimist ! I'm waiting! hi
        1. ancient
          ancient 28 January 2017 19: 53
          +1
          Quote: askort154
          I hope that I am mistaken, and the true will triumph. I'm an optimist ! I'm waiting!


          Sasha ... do you need a chair that the commander erased to ... ... anchorages to be mistaken then? soldier
          Therefore, I will be switchmen, maybe the old organizational structure will return, but ... no more.
          I am not a optimist and do not expect anything from them!
          It’s like with a statement on a su-34 shifter, the crew is not guilty ... I watched the video ...... a dumb scene with SHOCK .. it can’t be the same, but it turns out soldier
  24. vfwfr
    vfwfr 28 January 2017 15: 23
    +2
    The Russians really need it just before the fight ... Otherwise, all this is a balusthey of citizens. Well, they told the truth (God forbid, of course, for example, it was a terrorist attack), and then what ... what has changed from this .. a panic has created no one needs this! Extra and uncomfortable questions to the state. bodies ... They work, to see everything is not real. And having said that this terrorist attack means working openly (open war) - with the indication of the guilty one (s) .. is society ready to withstand explicit and open terrorist attacks ??? Is society ready to correct MYSELF and conscripts ........ The question is surely rhetorical.
  25. vfwfr
    vfwfr 28 January 2017 15: 33
    +1
    I believe I don’t believe .. it’s the business of everyone personally, but to impose a point of view (what is in this article as in other media) is not grateful and dangerous, especially if you are not a real specialist. What there really was, few people know, the media even more so ... Personally, I, after a fait accompli, are not interested in until the moment when they officially announce and the topic is closed.
  26. bald
    bald 28 January 2017 15: 55
    +2
    "We are talking about" black boxes ", the recording of information by which is carried out on magnetic tape. The Kommersant’s material states that the Research and Development Center for the Operation and Repair of Aircraft of the Russian Air Force (located in the Moscow Region)" has no equipment and specialists left who can work with magnetic tape. " Some kind of nonsense. And who is guilty that outdated boxes are still standing there? Then in general they can not be set. With great success, you can push the old, cassette, Monov tape recorder "Spring" into the titanium box - at least they heard the audio - without any synchronization.
  27. Orionvit
    Orionvit 28 January 2017 16: 13
    +2
    Quote: sds87
    And specialists working with films should not be difficult to find.

    Well, where is the film? To insert a film into a reader (or whatever they call it a tape recorder in the laboratory), you don’t have much mind. It's all about decoding the parameters. In my opinion, the films have been deciphered for a long time, probably the results do not fit with the preliminary statements. Vague doubts torment me.
    1. sds87
      sds87 28 January 2017 22: 52
      +2
      Orionvit, so I commented on the article of this newspaper. According to the article: there are no technicians and specialists either. This is not true! Obviously there is a delay in the results due to the fact that the truth is such that it is better not to voice it. This can lead to grave consequences for which the Russian authorities are simply not ready. Perhaps many years later, ordinary people will find out the truth, but I personally do not believe in it.
  28. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 28 January 2017 16: 27
    +8
    Quote: Liberoid
    remember the Kursk submarine .. Diversion is uniquely

    It is a diversion. Not without reason then the CIA director came to Moscow, and the nose of the Kursk was sawn off under water, which is much more difficult than on the surface. There were very great reasons for hiding the truth.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 28 January 2017 23: 24
      0
      Not without reason, then the director of the CIA came to Moscow,


      It is no accident in St. Petersburg that the McDonald's was defeated and wrote "this is for Kursk to you."
      Probably the people, even if they don’t know, but feel.
  29. okroshka79
    okroshka79 28 January 2017 16: 52
    +2
    All this tragic story involuntarily reminded another. In February 1981, in Pushkino, during the take-off of the Tu-104 aircraft with the command of the Pacific Fleet, due to overloading and shifting of cargo to the tail section, the aircraft lost longitudinal stability, reached critical angles of attack and crashed. All admirals and senior officers aboard, along with the crew, were killed.
    1. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 28 January 2017 20: 58
      0
      Yes. Like then - overload, centering shift (by gifts, unfortunately). The flight engineer, due to the full filling of the fuel tanks, was not able to maneuver by pumping fuel to level off during (after) take-off. Fuel discharge did not help, or rather did not have time.
  30. 1536
    1536 28 January 2017 17: 17
    0
    Or maybe this newspaper and the cause of the accident will tell? The "liberal" press always knows everything a few hours before any events occurring that we have in Western Europe.
    Is the winter offensive in full swing? The fifth column uses any tragedy to its advantage. In Leningrad, sectarians, people of non-Orthodox faith, and the descendants of commissars oppose the transfer of St. Isaac’s Cathedral to the Russian Orthodox Church as the rightful owner of the church, they discredit the Patriarch, promote general intolerance and rudeness in society, freaks from Ukraine have intensified on television, and in the meantime, Russians are being ousted from the Donbas gained positions instead of peace negotiations and a settlement, swindlers from some institutions where there are two people in the state - the “director" and the secretary are imposing their "opinion", sports us will be performing under the "Olympic" flag, and the functionaries of the Federation continue zhurovat may miscalculate and plans to eliminate nuclear weapons from a screenplay Gorbachev-Trump in exchange for the lifting of sanctions against a handful of "travel banned" from the government. Etc.
    1. SergeBS
      SergeBS 28 January 2017 19: 52
      +2
      Quote: 1536
      In Leningrad, sectarians, people of non-Orthodox faith, and descendants of commissars oppose the transfer of St. Isaac’s Cathedral to the Russian Orthodox Church, the rightful owner of the church

      Nuka in more detail. With whose money was the cathedral built, to whom did it belong?
      The priests, frozen to the edge, are pulling little hands to what they have nothing to do with.
    2. Freeman
      Freeman 28 January 2017 20: 19
      +3
      1536 Today, 17: 17
      In Leningrad, sectarians, people of non-Orthodox faith, and descendants of commissars oppose the transfer of St. Isaac’s Cathedral to the Russian Orthodox Church, the rightful owner of the church

      Information for consideration:
      St. Isaac's Cathedral was built in the years 1818-1858 according to the project of architect Auguste Montferrand. Its height exceeds 100 meters, and the internal area is more than four thousand square meters. Over 400 thousand people, mostly state serfs, worked on its construction. All construction was supervised by the imperial court and paid, naturally, from the treasury - at the church, which at that time was not separated from the state, there was no such money and could not be. After the consecration of the cathedral and until the revolution, he was subordinate to the Minister of the Interior (like Smolny Cathedral - under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Education, and Peter and Paul - under the Ministry of the Imperial Court). Naturally, the cost of maintaining the cathedral was borne only by the state.
      After the revolution, until 1928, the cathedral was under the jurisdiction (but not property, of course) of the Renovationist Church, and from 1928 until the 1990s, services were not carried out in it, and it was a state museum. And remained so until recently, until for some reason the government of the Russian Federation did not transfer St. Isaac's Cathedral to the ownership of St. Petersburg in October 2012.

      So whose is it like a "property"?
      1. SergeBS
        SergeBS 28 January 2017 21: 09
        +4
        Clearly whose. In fact - the state, by misunderstanding - St. Petersburg. And most of all, he is angry that while Isaac was being repaired, the Russian Orthodox Church was not needed. And how they repaired - so immediately the thick-faced came running: "Give us back!" FOR FREE. Grabbers in robes.
        You can also recall how the Russian Orthodox Church traded tobacco without taxes. And nothing - if income brings, it means "charitable." Greedy traders - in robes "to cover" their affairs.
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 28 January 2017 21: 21
          +4
          SergeBS Today, 21:09 PM
          You can also recall how the Russian Orthodox Church traded tobacco without taxes

          UPDATE.
          In the 90s, the Russian Orthodox Church was the largest DUTY importer of TOBACCO and ALCOHOL.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 28 January 2017 21: 52
          0
          Quote: SergeBS
          Grabbers in robes.

          The cost of visiting the cathedral is 250 rubles. The Russian Orthodox Church plans to make visiting the cathedral free. So where are the grabbers? smile
          1. Vladimir Postnikov
            Vladimir Postnikov 28 January 2017 23: 09
            +1
            If Isaac is handed over to the Russian Orthodox Church, then I will consider myself an enemy of the Russian Orthodox Church. And at the same time I will consider Vladimir Putin, who organized all this, to be my enemy. So I believed that some Poltavchenko was scattered by such values ​​as Isaac.
            St. Isaac's Cathedral is a public property (read the state), as the Greeks Parthenon. An expensive temple will not bring the faithful to God even one iota.
            Only cheese in a mousetrap is free. As noted here, Isaac decided to privatize after the repair. Effective managers can count other people's money.
            And further. Science and religion are two incompatible things. You can’t believe in science, it’s supposed to doubt everything. This is the only way to new discoveries. MEPhI is a mockery and a mockery of science.
          2. Freeman
            Freeman 29 January 2017 04: 21
            +1
            Bayonet Yesterday, 21:52 PM
            The Russian Orthodox Church plans to make visiting the cathedral free.

            All this “free” is relative.
            Here you have infa on the Cathedral of Christ the Savior (CSU) in Moscow.
            Entrance for tourists who believe in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior is free.
            For an independent tour of the Temple of the Holy Cross, amateur photographers are required to purchase a permit for photography for 800 rubles.
            At liturgies, divine services, evening services and all-night vigils, it is recommended to use clothing rental for 55 rubles in order to have an appearance appropriate to the Orthodox culture.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 29 January 2017 04: 52
              0
              Quote: Freeman
              For an independent tour of the Temple of the Holy Cross, amateur photographers are required to purchase a permit for photography for 800 rubles.

              This is often practiced, and in places very far from the church.
              Quote: Freeman
              At liturgies, divine services, evening services and all-night vigils, it is recommended to use clothing rental for 55 rubles in order to have an appearance appropriate to the Orthodox culture.

              And what is so here? Hire - do not go to the temple in miniskirts or shorts.
              1. Freeman
                Freeman 29 January 2017 05: 48
                0
                Bayonet Today, 04:52
                This is often practiced, and in places very far from the church.

                Yes, I do not mind - that the temple, that the museum needs to be maintained for something.

                And what is so here? Hire - do not go to the temple in miniskirts or shorts.

                This is the "hitch."
                Visiting the temple, as you rightly pointed out, imposes certain restrictions on clothing. Yes, and a well-mannered person will not "run" with a camera during the service.
                But if the temple is not used as a place of worship, but is an object of cultural and historical heritage, then clothing is selected only on the basis of personal tastes and the degree of comfort.
                In the same Moscow, in recent years, in the summer heat is often established above +30 degrees. And how can you do without shorts, mini-skirts and open shoes?
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 29 January 2017 15: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Freeman
                  But if the temple is not used as a place of worship, but is an object of cultural and historical heritage, then clothing is selected only on the basis of personal tastes and the degree of comfort.

                  Not really ... All the same, there is also respect hi
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 29 January 2017 15: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: Bayonet
                    All the same, there is also respect

                    Looks like this type does not respect anyone. sad
  31. zlideny
    zlideny 28 January 2017 19: 33
    +2
    THE DEAD ARE ABLE TO BE SILENT NOW ON THEY ALL IT CAN BE HANGED.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 29 January 2017 04: 54
      0
      Quote: zlideny
      THE DEAD ARE ABLE TO BE SILENT NOW ON THEY ALL IT CAN BE HANGED.

      But it’s also not worth inventing mythical saboteurs hi
  32. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 28 January 2017 19: 34
    +4
    What kind of specialists? What equipment? There, Samara is. And at many airfields equipment remained in the IAS. And emulators exist. Something is tailored by the Ministry of Defense and the Air Force does not want these documents to fall into the hands of civilians ...
    But this is their property, their business. Although the Tu-154 airplane is so ... the fuel tanks were very centrally changed, and the switching was manual (at least in 1978 - it was), the stabilizer was forgotten to be switched to minus, then his love for a flat corkscrew with an incorrectly calculated SAX load ... In flight, the flight engineer got the most work. Landing was the most difficult thing and 75% of Tu-154 crashes - during landing.
    But there was a problem - after an incorrect refueling (I forgot where), the plane appeared roll after take-off and due to a pilot error, the plane fell on the wing. Yes! 90% of disasters are the fault of the crew. If the crew are masters of their craft, they know the plane perfectly, then they will take everything into account when preparing for the flight, during take-off, flight along the route and during landing, as happened during an emergency landing on an abandoned airfield in the forest or when flying in a circle after repair with a faulty system management ...
    1. Delitant
      Delitant 29 January 2017 14: 36
      +1
      Kind all the time of the day! I have a question? Why are experienced craftsmen? Have flown thousands of hours? Who know their job by the teeth! And they can do everything with their eyes closed! Make such fatal mistakes? Always experienced pilots manage! And how do you explain that Almost in all flight accidents in Russia It became uncoordinated actions of flight personnel ???
  33. pvv113
    pvv113 28 January 2017 19: 54
    +3
    We are talking about "black boxes", the recording of information by which is carried out on magnetic tape. Kommersant’s material states that the Research and Development Center for Operation and Repair of Aviation Equipment of the Russian Air Force (located in the Moscow Region) “has no equipment and specialists left” who can work with magnetic film

    Rave! MSRP-64 of various modifications is on planes in more than half of the country's fleet. Looks at "b" someone wanted a sensation
  34. demotivator
    demotivator 28 January 2017 21: 07
    +1
    the investigation process is very difficult, since “obsolete” flight recorders were installed on the Tu-154B-2.

    Come on! What other “reel tape recorders” are there in the 21st century? But what about the loud statement of the prominent unicorn and deputy of the State Duma Zheleznyak that Russia is not just a leader in radio electronics, but far ahead of the leading countries of the world? Moreover, he listed countries such as the United States, Japan and China. He said so directly. And no one called him an ambulance, he continues to remain a deputy.
  35. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 28 January 2017 21: 30
    +2
    Complete nonsense. It is unclear: did they themselves come up with magazines or was they promoting someone’s general line?
  36. Altona
    Altona 28 January 2017 23: 37
    +2
    Quote: ancient
    You know the saying ... a little lie gives rise to a lot of mistrust

    ----------------------------------
    They have an eternal struggle between the "human factor" and the "failure of technology." Both versions can cause a public outcry of the type "then your hands are crooked there, then the technique."
  37. NordUral
    NordUral 29 January 2017 11: 29
    +1
    It’s hard to come up with a stupid excuse. It's time to stop lying to us. Only truth and justice will make Russia invincible. And blaming the crew for errors during the usual (in technical terms) take-off is the meanness of the authorities.
  38. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 29 January 2017 18: 14
    0
    Strange really, there are no specialists left who know how to work with this. Something is not clear here, apparently just pulling time.