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Zumwalt vs. Peter the Great. NI rated the odds

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In the American edition Nation Interest Another article appeared by columnist Kyle Mizokami, in which he tries to compare Russian and American weapons in a hypothetical battle. This time, the material is devoted to the comparison of the combat capabilities of the Zumwalt destroyer recently introduced into the US Navy (DDG-1000) with the Russian 1144 heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser (in the Kirov classification, the class named after the first Soviet cruiser of the 1144 project, recycling project considered since 2015 year).

Today composed fleet the last of these ships is the Peter the Great TARK. It is precisely with him that the “Zamwalt” (in the German transcription - “Zumwalt”) “unleashes a sea battle” is mentioned by a columnist from NI.



According to the American author with Japanese roots, the Russian ship is “excellently armed, but the American one has the most important advantage — the stealth technology implemented on it.”

Of material:
Huge Zumwalt on the screens of the ship of the Russian Navy will be displayed no more than the usual fishing schooner, even if they are at a distance of defeat anti-ship weapons.


At the same time, Mizokami declares that Zamvolta has nothing against Peter the Great, that stealth technology. In the absence of the Harpoon anti-ship missiles, the American destroyer will have to go a distance of about 70 nautical miles (about 130 km), “in order to be able to effectively defeat with the available means”. According to the author of the material in NI, it is almost impossible to hit a Russian ship from such a distance from conventional 155-mm guns, “even if they use corrected ammunition. Argues his findings Mizokami that "Peter the Great" will not stand still and wait for the "fly", and will use all the possibilities for maneuvering.

Mizoki:
At the same time, the Russian cruiser will respond with the launch of the Granites, although Zumwalt not only has stealth, but also effective anti-missile weapons that the Granites are capable of intercepting.


In general, all the material and is devoted to how one ship will be able to repel the attack of another, and the other - the attack of the first.

As a conclusion, the NI columnist states that "friendship will win," since "none of these ships has an unequivocal advantage over a potential enemy ship."
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 28 January 2017 11: 28
    +33
    "As a conclusion, the NI columnist says that friendship will triumph, because" none of these ships have a clear advantage over a potential enemy’s ship. "

    Here the fairy tale ends, and whoever listened is well done. smile
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 28 January 2017 11: 33
      +19
      NI columnist says friendship will win

      Yeah, the Friendship chainsaw. lol
      1. cniza
        cniza 28 January 2017 13: 14
        +8
        What are some interesting thoughts of our "partners" have recently, and what would it mean?
        1. electrooleg
          electrooleg 28 January 2017 13: 38
          +8
          Quote: cniza
          what would that mean?


          They simply flatter themselves. They are afraid to admit that their "stealth" is a newspaper blizzard. laughing
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 28 January 2017 19: 27
        +1
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        NI columnist says friendship will win

        Yeah, the Friendship chainsaw. lol

        Pipeline of the same name lol
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 28 January 2017 23: 27
        +12
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        NI columnist says friendship will win

        Yeah, the Friendship chainsaw. lol

        It’s worth building a ship for $ 7,5 billion to withstand on an equal footing a ship built in the 90s.
        Really super success, technological breakthrough!
      4. Talgat
        Talgat 29 January 2017 00: 25
        +12
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        NI columnist says friendship will win

        Yeah, the Friendship chainsaw. lol


        Sorry, I just remembered Khrushchev (of course, many have an ambiguous attitude towards him - a controversial figure - the germ of the collapse of the Union can even be said - but nonetheless he had an interesting phrase)
        I’m talking about his phrase - that ".. the Americans and I have almost no disagreement. Only on one thing - on the land issue. Either they bury us in the ground or we bury them ..."
    2. avt
      avt 28 January 2017 11: 33
      +33
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Here the fairy tale ends, and whoever listened is well done.

      Are they there? They don’t read Oleg ???? !!
      1. Monos
        Monos 28 January 2017 11: 38
        +14
        This fool is Mizokami. Zamvolt is not intended for squadron combat at all. He should work along the shore.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 28 January 2017 11: 54
          +10
          Victor, welcome! hi Such Yksperds as Mizokami for the green Tugriks will still not write it! wink
          1. Monos
            Monos 28 January 2017 12: 33
            +5
            Hello Paul. Tugriks will leave, but the "reputation" will remain. smile He does not protect himself.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 28 January 2017 13: 14
              +7
              Yes, so get on with the device for a reputation! The main thing is to cut down more cabbage, but they don’t think much about the future. laughing
        2. ssergn
          ssergn 28 January 2017 12: 15
          +3
          Big, big
          Quote: Monos
          Fool

          laughing
        3. sandrmur76
          sandrmur76 28 January 2017 13: 22
          +3
          So you can even moor quietly to the Zamvolt on a wooden raft at night and friendship will win. And then cognac under a shishlochka, very tasty drinks PS I was engaged in a virtual battle - the sofa admiral.
        4. meandr51
          meandr51 29 September 2017 11: 50
          0
          Well yes. If he is waved by the wing of "Granite" or "Caliber", he has the right to declare that he does not accept today!
      2. Smog
        Smog 28 January 2017 11: 52
        +14
        Quote: avt
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Here the fairy tale ends, and whoever listened is well done.

        Are they there? They don’t read Oleg ???? !!

        Kaptsov not show article request , myocardial infarction. repeat
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 28 January 2017 13: 33
          +16
          Quote: Smog
          Kaptsov did not show the article, heart attack shuffles.

          Completeness! Oleg writes much more interesting and reasoned!
          But the samurai needs to start comparing Zumwalt not with Peter, but with Nakhimov, after modernization. Maybe then optimism will diminish.
          Although, the “martial arts” approach is fundamentally wrong. There will be no raiders of the Bismarck type in a modern war at sea. All large ships are included in the OBK / Kugov / KPUGov to give them at least some sort of combat stability. So it is necessary to consider the clash of ship groupings with all the supporting and supporting forces. And this is the level of operational art. Here the Sivkovsky weights / nomograms / tables come out. And this layman ... is tiring.
          And so - for the needs of the day - pulp fiction with an admixture of technical data and intrigue - so "who-who!"
          IMHO.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 28 January 2017 15: 47
            +2
            "There will be no raiders like the Bismarck in a modern war at sea."
            Of course it won't. Currently, there are only 3 countries in the world that can bend the rest of the countries (of course, with the exception of the remaining 2). This is Russia, China, the United States. Only this country can sail to any other and say: surrender! Now consider the naval battles between them.
            1. China versus America: China drowns part of the Navy of America, America drowns China, in the literal and figurative sense.
            2. America drowns the fleet of China, China wipes itself and awaits revenge.
            3. China is drowning the Russian fleet. Russia drowns China (see paragraph above).
            4. Russia is drowning the fleet of China. See point 2.
            5. America is drowning the Russian fleet. Game over.
            6. Russia is drowning the fleet of America. See paragraph 5.
            1. Berkut24
              Berkut24 28 January 2017 17: 34
              +5
              There will be no battles. The sinking of one ship will mean the opening of a Pandora's box. Type - America drowns the Russian ship. In response, Russia is drowning America with a nuclear strike .. America cannot sink Russia, because Russian territory is too large for this.
              America can sink China, but after this it is recognized by Russia that there are more dumb rounds ... China will not be able to sink America, but the Great Lakes on the new map of America will be far from the greatest, so ... big puddles. I do not discuss the survival of microorganisms in the unfinished territories of countries.
              Actually, the fleet is needed so that there is no strike on land. If the conflict has begun, then who has managed to sink anyone there after that - the question is already small and not significant.
              Why are all generals and admirals preparing for the past war?
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 3 February 2017 11: 42
                0
                Quote: Berkut24
                China cannot sink America, but the Great Lakes on the new map of America will be far from the greatest, so ... big puddles.

                Does China have normal media for this? We’ve gotten them two times, well, of course, it’ll be enough on the coast anyway, naturally we don’t think TNW at all, although if the task is to sink the Amer’s Navy, then most likely it will be anti-ship missiles with a nuclear loaf.
      3. Serg65
        Serg65 28 January 2017 12: 07
        +4
        Quote: avt
        Are they there? They don’t read Oleg ???? !!

        well, don’t get excited

        laughing Hello Shark! Mizokami is Kaptsov’s opponent on American sites bully
        1. avt
          avt 28 January 2017 12: 10
          +8
          Quote: Serg65
          Hello Shark!

          hi
          Quote: Serg65
          Mizokami is Kaptsov’s opponent on American sites

          wassat Who is he this
          Quote: Serg65
          Misokami

          against our Oleg! The miserable scribbler is a loser, a pale shadow.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 28 January 2017 12: 13
            +7
            Quote: avt
            against our Oleg! The miserable scribbler is a loser, a pale shadow.

            laughing So that's why Oleg hangs out here, because there’s no one to talk to.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 3 February 2017 11: 44
            0
            Quote: avt
            against our Oleg! The miserable scribbler is a loser, a pale shadow.

            Why so immediately, it’s just that the whole text didn’t seem to be translated, and Mizok forgot about writing armor at the end of the type, but there would have been armor laughing
      4. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 28 January 2017 12: 34
        +36
        Expert forgot to attach the scheme to the article laughing
        1. RUSIVAN
          RUSIVAN 28 January 2017 13: 52
          +3
          And where is ZUMVALT ??? WHERE-EEE, HE IS REALLY INVISIBLE!?.
          Ah, yes, HE IS ALREADY AT THE BOTTOM, so we don’t see it)))
      5. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 28 January 2017 15: 29
        +3
        Quote: avt
        Are they there? They don’t read Oleg ???? !!

        No along what . request
      6. dr.star75
        dr.star75 28 January 2017 17: 05
        +1
        "What are they there? They don’t read Oleg ???? !!" -
        In the sense of? Koshevy?
    3. Finches
      Finches 28 January 2017 11: 36
      +4
      These "experts" would be better off going to the factory - all the benefits are greater for humanity or as janitors ... But you also pay money for such crap ... It's the same as going to experts ... laughing
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 28 January 2017 13: 36
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        But for such crap they also pay money ... It’s the same as going to experts ...

        Nah, buddy!
        STAY BETTER AS A JANITOR !!! laughing
        1. Finches
          Finches 28 January 2017 13: 40
          +6
          There is! Remain a janitor! soldier laughing

          The profession is necessary and important - I would say, universal! Everyone respects cleanliness and order, but shit, even just for oneself, not everyone likes to clean ... hi
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 28 January 2017 16: 17
            +2
            Quote: Finches
            but shit, not only for oneself, not everyone likes to clean ...

            And this is how heaps in Augean stables grow!
            That's why Hercules of the housing and communal services are needed!
            Success in your chosen field! laughing
      2. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 28 January 2017 17: 23
        +1
        He’s able to earn money in the factory, but sitting on the couch, and even cheating on the cheek, it’s only the “experts” who know how ... they really have competition now because they have divorced too much
    4. Orionvit
      Orionvit 28 January 2017 11: 40
      +6
      It reminds me of children's boyish tales, like: - And I like him, but he does like me. Then I answered him from a machine gun, and he came to me from a tank. I dodged the cannon, and he was a torpedo at me. Then I’m his rocket, and he’s generally in the house. laughing In my opinion, this happened to every boy at the age of five, but not to some “analysts”.
    5. jjj
      jjj 28 January 2017 11: 44
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Here the fairy tale ends, and whoever listened is well done.

      In other words:
      "Snipp snapp snoo er eventure ut"!
    6. Skeptic Self-Taught
      Skeptic Self-Taught 28 January 2017 11: 54
      +5
      In general, are these ships correctly compared?
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 28 January 2017 13: 08
        +2
        Quote...
        In general, are these ships correctly compared?

        And what prevents such "ikspertami"? They will not write such a thing, give free rein. They are the destroyer, the TARK - there is no difference, everything is the same ...
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 28 January 2017 15: 49
        +6
        Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
        In general, are these ships correctly compared?

        These are all comparisons ... mmm ... F-35 with the Warthog, T-90 with the SAU Abrams, KA-52 with the Apache ... all this is dancing with a tambourine of the Papuans around the sacred fire with spells and conspiracies.
        Or a dispute between kids. And my dad is a policeman, can you imagine what he can do with you? But my dad is a proctologist, and you can imagine WHAT he can do with you and your dad? And I don’t have a dad, but I have a gynecologist and defense minister. wassat
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 28 January 2017 18: 09
          +2
          ".F-35 with Warthog, T-90 with self-propelled guns Abrams, KA-52 with Apache."
          Well, when they meet on the battlefield, then you can find out who the proctologist is.
    7. Dimontius
      Dimontius 28 January 2017 13: 04
      +2
      and then there will be a boarding!
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 28 January 2017 13: 19
        +3
        Quote: Dimontius
        and then there will be a boarding!

        Yeah, and here Zumwalt clearly wins, because enemy sailors slide off his board.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 3 February 2017 11: 50
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Yeah, and here Zumwalt clearly wins, because enemy sailors slide off his board.

          And here is the nifiga, ours can still light them with arrows or Molotov cocktails on their way, the top at Zumwalt is wooden! laughing
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 28 January 2017 13: 56
        +5
        Quote: Dimontius
        and then there will be a boarding!

        Finally!
        Here our 500 sea devils surely pile them on a shitty hundred bespectacled man with crooked little hands from uninterrupted mouse-mooring at Aegis computers !!!
    8. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 28 January 2017 16: 45
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "As a conclusion, the NI columnist says that friendship will triumph, because" none of these ships have a clear advantage over a potential enemy’s ship. "

      Here the fairy tale ends, and whoever listened is well done. smile

      And between them forty years ... repeat
    9. Shurik70
      Shurik70 28 January 2017 19: 48
      +2
      Quote: Vladimirets

      Here the fairy tale ends, and whoever listened is well done. smile

      There is a typo in the word "BED"
      am
    10. Berkut752
      Berkut752 28 January 2017 21: 21
      +2
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "As a conclusion, the NI columnist says that friendship will triumph, because" none of these ships have a clear advantage over a potential enemy’s ship. "

      Here the fairy tale ends, and whoever listened is well done. smile

      Well, how much can you procrastinate one and the same. Yes, the Amerz army is the strongest, it has three victories, in Grenada, Panama and in the “Desert Storm” .... This army has the largest budget, they spend 20 billion only on air conditioners in Afghanistan, and they also spend on napkins, diapers, dry closets. Not to overpower the Russian budget, even these articles, that's why in the Soviet army we were taught from the cadet times to wipe with sandpaper, shave with a bayonet knife, and fight in hand-to-hand, sapper shovel.
      The war in Afghanistan makes it even clearer to compare the two armies. The next day, the 40th Soviet army controlled all the major cities, while under NATO, the Taliban and IS terrorists (the Islamic State, a terrorist group banned in the Russian Federation) occupy entire provinces, and drug trafficking increased by 45 times. ...
      Ksati "Daughter" of the US Armed Forces, the Israeli army is also traditionally positioned as superbly trained and competent. However, the reality is that in 2006, the IDF was not even able to besiege the small town of Bint Jubail, located 2 km from the Israeli border. For 28 days, the Israeli military tried to wrest control of Hezbollah's minor forces (the best forces were located north of the Litani River to protect Beirut). However, they completely failed, despite the enormous numerical and technological superiority ....
      1. chidoryan
        chidoryan 28 December 2017 13: 10
        0
        but what do you say, it’s very convenient to scribble nonsense from the sofa. And if the States really fought with Russia ... OOOH, they would have managed to take out such an enemy. We also had many failures. Chechnya was quickly forgotten. Shapkoshryryateli Mlyn ... itz for such as you so many people died in vain. Uryakalki.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 28 January 2017 11: 34
    +1
    In general, of course, utopia was written .. I hope. Although in vain we laugh at this iron.
  3. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 28 January 2017 11: 35
    +10
    If it were, yes, if only ... until on Zumit, a full-fledged set of weapons for which it was designed (railgun, etc.) appears ... this is nothing more than a stand for working out decisions ...
    And on account of stealth as a global advantage, I’ll say one thing (I think the radio engineers will understand) ... it is hardly noticeable only for certain wavelengths (these are the main ranges of NATO radars) ... but others are used in the Russian Armed Forces ... but not for them there are problems detecting such objects (as well as US aircraft made using this technology) ...
    1. jjj
      jjj 28 January 2017 11: 49
      +5
      Imagine. Hulk in the middle of the sea. And the type is not visible. But what about the fields: electromagnetic, electrostatic, gravitational, thermal, acoustic. A visible spectrum
      1. igordok
        igordok 28 January 2017 12: 22
        0
        In space, maybe in the air, the "invisibility" can be difficult to see. But on land and at sea due to dirt, dust, spray, salt, the effect of "invisibility" will be significantly lower.
      2. dauria
        dauria 28 January 2017 13: 17
        +1
        Imagine. Hulk in the middle of the sea. And the type is not visible.


        Yes, it’s not a matter of absolute invisibility. (physicists probably can’t only see the dark matter, and even then they “feel” by gravity that something is wrong laughing ) The thing is simple, below the EPR - lower range (to the fourth root). And this is nothing, but an advantage in battle.
    2. Kenneth
      Kenneth 28 January 2017 12: 10
      0
      And you are definitely a radio engineer
    3. igorka357
      igorka357 28 January 2017 15: 55
      0
      Do not be cunning, this technology works, and if it didn’t work, then we wouldn’t have developed it, but they are ... and very serious! Even the T-14 seems to want to put on something there!
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 3 February 2017 11: 58
        0
        Quote: igorka357
        It’s not worth it to be cunning, this technology works, and if it didn’t work, then we would not have carried out the development, but they are ... and very serious!

        But they won’t hide it warmly, the reality is today - a decrease in visibility in one emission spectrum does not at all mean a decrease in visibility in others. Reconfiguration / reconstruction of the guiding head of the RCC is much cheaper than restructuring the entire ship, and satellites and UAVs significantly increase the reconnaissance horizon.
    4. Berkut752
      Berkut752 28 January 2017 21: 26
      +2
      Dear, in Russia not all radio engineers, but do not believe it, after the Yugoslav F-117 everyone knows about it.
  4. Observer2014
    Observer2014 28 January 2017 11: 35
    +7
    In general, all the material and is devoted to how one ship will be able to repel the attack of another, and the other - the attack of the first.
    When necessary Compare completely different things. F35 for example and A10. God forgive me for swearing at Zumwalt and the attack cruiser. Moreover, everyone understands that all this is fashionable garbage. This is garbage with a capital X. Then such expert journalists come up to tell tales. At the end of which there is nothing to conclude.
    1. jjj
      jjj 28 January 2017 11: 50
      +3
      The writer pees, the reader reads. And the money is coming ...
      1. Berkut752
        Berkut752 28 January 2017 21: 30
        0
        Quote: jjj
        The writer pees, the reader reads. And the money is coming ...

        If you read the media, then you are informed, if you do not read the media, you are misinformed
  5. Berkut24
    Berkut24 28 January 2017 11: 47
    +4
    Such comparisons of incomparable somehow kill the mood. Coastal ship against the ocean floating arsenal. When will these “experts” understand that the reconnaissance and target detection system is not limited only to the radar of a lonely ship, which in fact must go with an escort and use all the intelligence data provided by the General Staff? For in this situation this "stealth" does not recognize only the tugboat.
    1. Every
      Every 28 January 2017 12: 21
      0
      And which one is the Coastal Ship? Destroyer (15000 tons of displacement) or a cruiser (25000 tons of displacement)
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 28 January 2017 15: 21
        +11
        Zamwalt class guide missile destroyers is a new type of US Navy destroyer with missile weapons (also formerly known as DD (X)), with emphasis on coastal and ground targets. "
        However, the finding of such a ship as part of the squadron was considered impractical due to the fact that the ship is not technically reliable (as long as there is no installation far from the coast), its "stealth" is not relevant in the squadron due to the "background" of the remaining ships of the connection, and the anti-missile anti-aircraft weapons are too weak to carry out the functions of covering the squadron. Thus, in the end, its function was defined as a ship for covertly attacking the Tomahawk missiles on the territory of a likely enemy.
        In other words, do not pay attention to tonnage and cost. This often happens with the Americans. And the mismatch of these parameters to the intended purpose just led to the series being limited to a modest number of 3 instead of 32. For reference, the Ohio submarine really secretly carries 154 Tomahawks instead of 80 at Zamvolt at a cost of 2-2,5 times lower than that of the new prodigy . But this is not the final price. In 2016, a new figure was named taking into account the revision - 7,5 billion.
        In view of the weak defensive capabilities, it was decided that "after being commissioned, Zamvolt type destroyers will be operated together with Arly Burk type destroyers. That is, Zamvolt needs protection ... So this destroyer turned into a coastal destroyer gunboat tonnage into a cruiser and cost to an aircraft carrier.
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 28 January 2017 15: 56
          +2
          Quote: Berkut24
          So this "destroyer" turned into a coastal gunboat with a tonnage into a cruiser and cost into an aircraft carrier.

          Tell Kaptsov this fellow yes
          You a chic plus good hi
        2. Every
          Every 28 January 2017 22: 12
          0
          Quote: Berkut24
          In view of the weak defensive capabilities, it was decided that "after being commissioned, destroyers of the Zamvolt type will be operated together with destroyers of the Arly Burk type. That is, Zamvolt needs protection ... So this "destroyer" turned into a coastal gunboat tonnage into a cruiser and cost in an aircraft carrier.


          An interesting conclusion.
          You, therefore, and all aircraft carriers of the United States recorded in the ships of the coastal zone. After all, they also have weak defensive weapons and they need protection from the destroyers Arly Burke.
          I think you're wrong this is not a coastal ship. If the basis of the AUG are aircraft carriers, and the destroyers are escort. That "Zumvolt" will be the basis of KUG with accompaniment.
          And, with regard to the shortcomings, the Americans will finish it over time, they are stubborn (you can see with the example of F35), they will kill a bunch of billions, but they will finish it.
          They cannot live without funderwaffles. After all, we must show everyone that they have the most modern weapons, at the level of science fiction films.
          1. Berkut24
            Berkut24 28 January 2017 22: 36
            +1
            On the F-35 is just not visible. For the design "for all cases" in itself is defective from birth. You can cut forever, finish completely - is unlikely.
            According to Zamvolt, the destroyer implies a very specific ability to protect at least himself. Say no such level.
            This is not my text:
            The ship uses a promising all-weapon control system through Raytheon's TSCE-I with a rejection of the concept of local computer systems. But in practice, this led to massive incompatibility with the current weapons of the US Navy, so the ship does not have any missile defense systems and even medium-range air defense. [3] Air defense systems are limited to two high-speed anti-aircraft guns and RIM-162 missiles, which are an upgrade of the rather old 7s RIM-1960 Sea Sparrow missiles and effective at a distance of only 50 km, which is not enough for a ship with a displacement of 15 thousand tons. Missiles are placed not in compact zones, but along all sides, which potentially causes detonation of the ammunition when a destroyer hits any place.
            Also, the ship does not use a double bottom as anti-torpedo protection and any fall below the waterline leads to flooding of the entire compartment.
            Due to limited weapons and reduced survivability, the ship needs to be guarded by ships armed with air defense / missile defense systems like the Arly Burke destroyers. Due to low means of self-defense, some analysts attribute Zamvolt to the option of disposable arsenal ships, but the fantastic cost of $ 7,5 billion for one destroyer, comparable with the cost of a modernized Nimitz class carrier, does not allow the US Navy to lose such an expensive ship immediately after its missile strike due to return fire. Other analysts attribute Zamwolt to the White Elephants of the US Navy and consider it to be a laboratory for developing new technologies rather than a powerful military unit of the fleet like Arly Burke
            1. Every
              Every 29 January 2017 22: 02
              0
              Quote: Berkut24
              Other analysts attribute Zwolt to the White Elephants of the US Navy and consider it to be a laboratory for developing new technologies rather than a powerful military unit of the fleet like Arly Burke


              But this is most likely true. They will work out new technologies. They have an Arly Burke for escort. And there are already more than six dozen.
              1. Berkut24
                Berkut24 29 January 2017 23: 22
                0
                And why are there three identical "White Elephants" with the same jambs?
                1. Every
                  Every 29 January 2017 23: 26
                  0
                  Apparently show the whole world that we (Americans) can build three expensive ships. I already wrote above: Americans love to play in public. Therefore, they build ships as from science fiction films. Like, we have all the most modern and even better.

                  Although now we can only guess based on available information only (and these are crumbs, the rest is most likely classified). And what Zumwalt will turn into in 5-7 years is not known.
  6. shinobi
    shinobi 28 January 2017 11: 49
    +3
    At the same time, he tactfully kept silence that the uberdevice is blind 0-8m above the sea and should detect our flying anti-ship missiles for starters, and since there is no serious armor on it, it’s enough for him to miss one Granite missile and to compare the destroyer with the cruiser .
    1. ssergn
      ssergn 28 January 2017 12: 11
      +4
      Quote: shinobi
      blind in height 0-8m above the sea


      Granite is a nine-meter seven-ton armored monster that has a low-altitude (25 m) course at the finish area at a speed of approx. 1,5M. Zumwalt type clicks them. Well, well ... Especially if the launch range is small - 200-300 km, and if 100! (Zumwalt needs to get closer!) On the marching section, the 2,5M rocket speed (altitude profile). How much time is left to make a decision and defeat Granite? And in a salvo?
      Such articles are not even funny to read, it is sad in general. Why the hell do they place them here? So soon, in general, all sane visitors will run away ...
  7. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 28 January 2017 11: 57
    +6
    The article is incomplete. In the end, consider boarding! And then the unequivocal scribe comes to the Americans!
    1. Moore
      Moore 28 January 2017 15: 02
      0
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      The article is incomplete. In the end, consider boarding! And then the unequivocal scribe comes to the Americans!

      Yeah, with a boarding ax, a wooden superstructure Zuma will be smashed ...
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 3 February 2017 14: 20
      0
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      The article is incomplete. In the end, consider boarding! And then the unequivocal scribe comes to the Americans!

      Then the possibilities of a battering ram should be considered
  8. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 28 January 2017 12: 02
    +3
    If memory serves, then in addition to determining the object by the reflected signal, back in the 70-80s we had equipment for determining the object by the radiation of radio equipment
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 29 January 2017 05: 10
      0
      The wake trace is also not invisible, and it is fixed for a long time and reliably.
  9. Disorder
    Disorder 28 January 2017 12: 09
    +1
    "Shaw, again?" Trump after F35 got to Zumwalt?
  10. sir_obs
    sir_obs 28 January 2017 12: 11
    +3
    faith in invisibility is almost a religion, and all these experts are more like a sect of stealth technology witnesses. It is completely pointless to prove the opposite to these priests.
    Well, let them compose, scrape together for the next scenario for the next Hollywood tale about this same invisibility.
  11. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 28 January 2017 12: 12
    +1
    The following comparison will be the US aircraft carrier against the Papua New Guinea Abarigans pie, and there friendship will prevail; for the United States will simply give the sinking aircraft carrier to the Papuans.
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  13. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 28 January 2017 12: 32
    +2
    Okay, one “Granite” will be knocked down. And what if there is a volley of three Granites?
    Did they seal the hole in the bottom? Power plants restored? And then again they will refuse and Zamvolt will turn into a helpless target for firing.
  14. tanit
    tanit 28 January 2017 12: 40
    +2
    laughing But why not examined ram and boarding? Peter must win in a battering ram, understandably, but in boarding?
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 28 January 2017 12: 45
      +3
      And boarding. There are much more people on Peter
      1. tanit
        tanit 28 January 2017 12: 56
        0
        So on Zamvolte more places. And suddenly, there is a special boarding team. Secretly and in ambush? Straaashno (( lol
        1. Kenneth
          Kenneth 28 January 2017 13: 07
          0
          Do not be scared. Peter is more significant.
  15. Kenneth
    Kenneth 28 January 2017 12: 44
    0
    Zumvolt will do and Peter’s cannon is doing. And it’s easy. While on Petra they will think what kind of seiner is there
    1. tanit
      tanit 28 January 2017 12: 59
      +1
      Is the keyword suitable? And if Peter - is suitable for ramming, while Zamvolt will do it from the only "guns"? wink
    2. tanit
      tanit 28 January 2017 13: 00
      0
      Squad and guns, it sounds like a song))).
      1. Kenneth
        Kenneth 28 January 2017 13: 04
        0
        2 × 155 mm AGS AU (920 rounds, of which 600 in automatic loaders) versus 1 × 2 AK-130
        Moreover, the Zimvolt artillery is designed for adjustable shells and much longer. Spruce reaches the artifact, Peter has no chance.
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 28 January 2017 15: 36
          +4
          Quote: Kenneth
          Moreover, the Zimvolt artillery is designed for adjustable shells and much longer. Spruce reaches the artifact, Peter has no chance.

          These shells are intended for firing along the shore, and not against moving targets. And are adjusted according to the data of JPC bully
          Even CAM

          Kaptsov claimed it! yes soldier lol
          1. Kenneth
            Kenneth 28 January 2017 16: 54
            0
            Suppose even so although promising shells can maneuver and the calculated GPS coordinates can apply to the ship. But even a battle with conventional ammunition does not give Peter a chance.
            1. ssergn
              ssergn 28 January 2017 19: 57
              0
              Emnip, fort rockets (With 300) can be used on ground / surface targets, if it locks, of course. And for the sake of such a goal as Zumwalt, they will not be sorry.
              Again, emnip, RBU can also work out according to Zumwalt.
              So Peter is not alone in Granite!
              1. Kenneth
                Kenneth 28 January 2017 21: 32
                0
                You forgot about boarding.
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 28 January 2017 16: 00
          +2
          If it comes to Peter's battle with Zumwalt, the planet will have no chance at all!
    3. Karayakupovo
      Karayakupovo 28 January 2017 21: 50
      0
      Actually, on Peter the Great, in addition to missiles, it is full of artillery. I myself saw while parking in St. Petersburg. This was revealed on the basis that the BOD of projects 1134 was enough for 28 minutes of the battle, and after that it was possible to open kingstones - there was nothing left. In addition to cartridges for machine guns and pistols.
      1. Kenneth
        Kenneth 28 January 2017 23: 02
        0
        I gave a comparison above
      2. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 29 January 2017 05: 17
        0
        After a full course and a constant chaotic course change while maintaining direction to your base! Kingstones themselves do not make sense to open, in case of a successful volley of the enemy - to the bottom with closed kingstones will go.
  16. Altona
    Altona 28 January 2017 12: 45
    +6
    The first time I read how to compare ships sharpened for different tasks. Zamvolt is an expeditionary punitive colonial ship that must sweep away miserable shacks and Aboriginal fortifications inside its miserable country with a fire fan, so that the marines of an exceptional country land without encountering any worthy resistance, but only cheers from collaborators, loaves of salt on the rushnyks and poured girls for delights of a sailor’s body after a campaign. With regards to Peter the Great, this ship enters the sea-ocean as part of a squadron that has the strength and means to drown this wonderful electro-dynamo ship-like craft with powerful electromagnetic radiation from its AFAR radars made of wood and aluminum foil.
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 28 January 2017 13: 16
      0
      And on missile weapons, Zimvolt Petra is doing
      1. ssergn
        ssergn 28 January 2017 19: 59
        0
        Quote: Kenneth

        0
        Kenneth ↑  
        Today, 13: 16
        And on missile weapons, Zimvolt Petra is doing



        And also, where can the sirom compete with Zumwalt himself !!!!
        1. Kenneth
          Kenneth 28 January 2017 21: 30
          0
          Exactly. It is enough to compare weapons and equipment. Unfortunately
          1. Karayakupovo
            Karayakupovo 28 January 2017 22: 00
            +2
            Actually, I remember how our secretaries on board our PSKR (Antisubmarine) were found using special vehicles. equipment, which determines the radiation from the work of radio stations about preparing for the launch of an American strike group led by an aircraft carrier (we were in the Tsushima area) at a distance of 2000 km from us. It was back in 1981 near Busan. Do you think that our RTVs are already outdated after this? I doubt something.
            1. Kenneth
              Kenneth 28 January 2017 23: 01
              0
              Your memories are interesting but have little to do with this article. And what does radio intelligence have to do with the duel of two ships according to the conditions of the problem.
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC 29 January 2017 09: 43
            0
            Quote: Kenneth
            Exactly. It is enough to compare weapons and equipment. Unfortunately

            What does Zumvolt have that comparable to P-700 Granites? The answer is nothing.
  17. Bradley
    Bradley 28 January 2017 12: 51
    0
    So that will come out of the battle as the winner of Zumwalt.
    Zumwalt has asgard shields that can absorb damage. Zumwalt can just teleport a bomb aboard the Peter, again thanks to the Asgards.
    1. tanit
      tanit 28 January 2017 13: 03
      +1
      No, the reptilians will not allow this .. They wrapped Nibiru a couple of years ago, and they can cope with these Vedo-ary Ass-guards. laughing
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 28 January 2017 13: 45
        +1
        And here are the reptilians and Nibiru? You are already fantasizing.
  18. Raskolnik
    Raskolnik 28 January 2017 13: 08
    0
    And this Merzokami forgot to say that stealth is not invisibility, but stealth, that there are two big differences.
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 28 January 2017 15: 37
      0
      Will not see or not notice
  19. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 28 January 2017 13: 27
    0
    In general, all the material is devoted to how one ship can repulse the attack of another, and the other - the attack of the first
    So ours will have to get closer to the distance of the pistol shot and land the boarding party. smile
  20. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 28 January 2017 13: 56
    +1
    The “expert” probably forgot that, in addition to missiles, the Russian Navy has a very good torpedo that follows the “Flurry” wake track (which is what it is called), which NATO is very afraid of and will be able to deliver the “package” to Zumwalt ...
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 28 January 2017 15: 39
      +2
      This torpedo goes on .... Because it’s never controlled. At a distance where you can use it, now they’re not fighting
      1. sir_obs
        sir_obs 28 January 2017 23: 44
        0
        A barrage is a means of self-defense of submarines, and boats in a duel just really fight at short distances, otherwise they just don’t hear each other. In the exercises, we converged on 20-25 cable ones. As a result, as soon as I heard, immediately a salvo of the bearing in the current location of the target. No calculations of the EDC, at such a distance and at such a speed, the target simply does not have time to maneuver.
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 28 January 2017 16: 04
      +1
      You also watch the "expert" on torpedo weapons, well, at least google laughing ! A flurry is a bullet that goes in a straight line, and cannot even maneuver ... because the speed is huge, and at the same time it will be released by the suicide, who will be immediately destroyed, because the distance from which the Flurry rocket-torpedo should be launched is insignificant, for modern detection tools!
  21. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 28 January 2017 14: 06
    +2
    For that "expert" recall ...
    At the turn of the 1960-70s in the Soviet Union, experimental designs appeared on the subject of heavy torpedoes leading along the wake of enemy ships.
    At about the same time, when asked by the war correspondent: “How are you going to protect aircraft carriers from Russian super-torpedoes?” One of the senior US Navy representatives gave a simple and concise answer: “Let's put a cruiser in the wake of every aircraft carrier”.
    Thus, the Yankees recognized the absolute vulnerability of the carrier groups to Soviet torpedo weapons and chose the best option out of two evils: in their opinion, to use their own cruiser as a "human shield".
    Actually, the US Navy didn’t have much to choose from - 11-65 76-mm 650-meter ammunition, better known as the “Soviet thick torpedo”, did not leave the American sailors any choice. This is the inevitable death. A dexterous and long “hand”, which allowed to hold by the throat the fleet of a “probable enemy”.
    so that they will cover this Zumvolt with a human shield ...
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 28 January 2017 15: 40
      0
      Write nonsense and frank
    2. Kenneth
      Kenneth 28 January 2017 15: 47
      0
      Of the exploits of China, only the murder of Kursk
      1. RUSIVAN
        RUSIVAN 28 January 2017 22: 22
        0
        Nonsense is your calling, and I write what is by FACT and thank God that you didn’t have to use them, and you didn’t even think about it, well, why do you think, and there’s nothing for you to do it ...
        1. Kenneth
          Kenneth 28 January 2017 22: 57
          0
          You write nonsense if only because on Peter there are basically no such torpedoes.
  22. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 28 January 2017 14: 13
    +1
    Another rascal in the style of a la Mr. Sivkov - come out a kind of miracle - the heroes before the decisive battle in front of their armies and hold a knightly duel, one on one? Nevsky vs. the Master of the Teutonic Order or Kochubey vs. Relight? You can be torn off from such "expert" opinions - Bullshit (BSK), nothing more? Glory to the Russian Navy! Hooray, comrades! For those at sea and on watch! Under the Spire (Admiralty), at the guardhouse, in the Western Face and ... venereal hospital !!! We’ll drink everything, but the Fleet will not be dishonored! (Toast of "Dzerzhins").
  23. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 28 January 2017 14: 27
    +1
    Zumvolt has a higher speed. He can stay at a profitable distance for himself.
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 28 January 2017 14: 51
      +8
      voyaka uh
      Zumvolt has a higher speed. He can stay at a profitable distance for himself.
      What distance? At a distance of shooting "Granites" nu-nu. laughing
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 28 January 2017 15: 38
        +2
        Quote: Observer2014
        What distance? At a distance of shooting "Granites" nu-nu.

        Do not destroy the faith of the Israelites in their great ally and patron repeat
    2. Kenneth
      Kenneth 28 January 2017 15: 41
      0
      He just goes to shoot and just as calmly leaves.
    3. igorka357
      igorka357 28 January 2017 16: 06
      +1
      Not on the profitable, but generally safe, where his Granites will not get it, but more simply to run away from Peter .. wink
    4. Sergey Onoprienko
      Sergey Onoprienko 28 January 2017 16: 59
      +3
      What? Where is Zwamwalt's speed higher? o_o
      Destroyer Speed ​​Zwolt - 30 knots
      The speed of Peter the Great is 32 knots.
      And yes - from “Granites” / “Zircons” your floating iron does not have a guarantee to survive. And if there isn’t enough Granites, let him catch a couple of onboard Caliber and drown quietly, as it should be.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 28 January 2017 17: 13
        +1
        Peter the Great and 30 never gave. If he couldn’t manage to catch up with the whole American AUG - it easily went into the gap on stable 30 knots, then an even faster Zumvolt ... there is no chance.
        1. Sergey Onoprienko
          Sergey Onoprienko 28 January 2017 17: 19
          +1
          Given the power of Peter and 32, this is not the limit, but only the passport data (minimum). What is the high-speed Zamwalt? What are you talking about, citizen? Wake up, you are clearly out of sorts, for nonsense - look at the characteristics on Wikipedia, at least (facepalm)
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 28 January 2017 21: 42
            +2
            "Given the power of Peter and 32, this is not the limit, but only passport data (minimum)" ////

            AND! I didn’t know this secret .... passport details - they, it turns out - are minimal.
            And the maximum - even scary to imagine! Peter the Great rushes along the crests of hovercraft waves, describing circles around the old man Zumvolt ...
            (Speed: 33.5 knots (62.0 km / h; 38.6 mph) wassat
            1. Sergey Onoprienko
              Sergey Onoprienko 29 January 2017 00: 29
              0
              Imagine - Orlan has two reactors and two steam boilers, in total, they are capable of speeds up to 34 knots, but he hardly needs this with long-range missiles, including hypersonic Zircons.
        2. Sergey Onoprienko
          Sergey Onoprienko 28 January 2017 18: 00
          0
          Dear man, before he left - discard the link to the third 5th generation Chinese fighter, announced by you in the comments on this article
          https://topwar.ru/107985-ekspert-mig-35-novoe-slo
          vo-v-aircraft-stroenii.html
          Unless, of course, this is not the same fabrication as Zamvolta’s 30-knot speed against the Orlan’s 32-knot slow-moving ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 28 January 2017 21: 43
            0
            Duc, they just wrote about him in VO, yesterday or what?
            1. Sergey Onoprienko
              Sergey Onoprienko 29 January 2017 00: 30
              0
              Where-where-where? Give me the link, or you’re three times balabol for this day. request
        3. Karayakupovo
          Karayakupovo 28 January 2017 22: 08
          +1
          You dear, something is not right. I still remember how in 1981 our BOD of project 1134 easily bypassed the American cruisers of the URO project (Beymbridge) off the coast of Japan. And I saw Peter in the Gulf of Finland.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 28 January 2017 22: 34
            +2
            In 2010, did Peter the Great go to the Indian Ocean?
            There was an American AUG. For educational purposes, Peter tried to get closer to her "for a shot of the Kyrgyz Republic." The Americans, too, for educational purposes, dumped him. It was not possible to catch them. He can make a jerk of 30 knots like afterburner - a very short time.
            Then all the pipelines burst. For the American AUG, 30 knots is a normal cruising speed for thousands of kilometers.
            1. sir_obs
              sir_obs 28 January 2017 23: 53
              +1
              Stop talking nonsense. 30 knots Avik goes when the wing raises. Cruising speed auga 18 knots, otherwise they will burn the fuel at a time.
          2. Sergey Onoprienko
            Sergey Onoprienko 29 January 2017 00: 32
            0
            In my opinion, this warrior-juh lives in his beckoning world, where Zamvolt develops a speed higher than Orlan-type armchairs and where the Chinese are already sawing the third fifth-generation fighter. He was already caught there on his enemies and drug addiction, but he still won’t be calm, sickly laughing
  24. screw cutter
    screw cutter 28 January 2017 14: 50
    +6
    The chances of “Zumwalt” versus “Peter the Great” can only appear when he can hold out at a more or less decent distance from his shores. Until he could not overcome the Panama Canal without help.
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 28 January 2017 15: 45
      0
      And on Peter there were problems at first
    2. Sergey Onoprienko
      Sergey Onoprienko 28 January 2017 17: 02
      +1
      Against missiles such as "Granite", as well as their latest hypersonic modification "Zircon" Zamvolt has no chance to survive. And his stealth is also very conditional
  25. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 28 January 2017 15: 22
    +4
    it will be correct to compare Zamvolt with MrK Buyan. and there without varieties at Zamvolt. will be given as a walnut.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 January 2017 23: 30
      +1
      It is a waste of energy ...
      Such a high-speed boat will tear Zumvolt, like a tazik warmer. wassat
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 29 January 2017 09: 48
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Such a high-speed boat will tear Zumvolt, like a tazik warmer.

        Why is this stupid vyser? What did you want to say so .... meaningless phrase.
      2. Sergey Onoprienko
        Sergey Onoprienko 29 January 2017 12: 47
        0
        Dear voyaka uh, if you were a little smart, you would understand that the speed for the destroyer Zamvolt is not a determining factor - not the speed of its feature. Otherwise, more powerful engines would be installed on the destroyer. He has the most usual speed, average, like most modern large ships. A speed of 30 knots (and this is its maximum speed, not cruising) is enough to carry out the tasks for which it was created. Features of Zamvolt in its relative stealth combined with good electronics and some weapons. But in general, this is the most ordinary ship, not revolutionary. Against serious cruisers with missiles such as "Granite", "Onyx", "Zircon" and "Caliber" he has little chance. Therefore, it’s stupid to measure speed - this is not the parameter that Zamvolt has especially “pumped”.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 29 January 2017 18: 41
          +1
          "But in general, this is the most ordinary ship, not revolutionary" ///

          If you were a little more seductive wink , you still would understand that the ship
          it is revolutionary - in this it is both strength and WEAKNESS. Weakness in the unverified
          many revolutionary solutions. More innovations are driven into it than into new ships
          other fleets combined. It is essentially a flexible platform for weapons and naval
          technologies of the future. On the three Zumvolts that will enter the US Navy,
          They will experiment with weapons and tactics until they find the right one.
          And the "mass" gain 70-80 more conservative Earley Burke.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 29 January 2017 21: 37
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            On the three Zumvolts that will enter the US Navy,
            will experiment with weapons and tactics

            Well, this is an experimental ship, and not a warship and will not give any gain to the American Navy.
  26. sergei1975
    sergei1975 28 January 2017 15: 29
    +3
    And this is not stealth technology?
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 28 January 2017 15: 40
      +2
      Quote: sergei1975
      And this is not stealth technology?

      So this is an anti-core ...... ugh you, anti-nuclear technology wassat
  27. Altona
    Altona 28 January 2017 16: 13
    0
    Quote: tanit
    No, the reptilians will not allow this .. They wrapped Nibiru a couple of years ago, and they can cope with these Vedo-ary Ass-guards.

    ----------------------------
    The former Secretary General of the Labor Party of Great Britain observes that Putin got in touch with more advanced aliens and they help him to turn over Americans who are assisted by reptilians. In general, they handed over to Putin a package of the latest technologies in all areas. laughing
  28. Altona
    Altona 28 January 2017 16: 15
    +2
    Quote: screw cutter
    The chances of “Zumwalt” versus “Peter the Great” can appear only when he can generally hold out at a more or less decent distance from his shores.

    ----------------------------------
    The ship is new innovative, it is already the third engine put on the go. The engine drives the chips into the crankcase with terrible force. laughing
  29. Altona
    Altona 28 January 2017 16: 19
    0
    Quote: Rurikovich
    These shells are intended for firing along the shore, and not against moving targets. And are adjusted according to the data of JPC

    -------------------------
    It’s not true, there are three unmanned helicopters on board with a range of 220 km, which should correct the impact of shells by triangulation. That is, three helicopters fly to direct just one shell. laughing
    By the way, just now here one argued with me that the truck with the car worked quite correctly, though the car still does not move with the speed of the projectile. laughing lol
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 28 January 2017 16: 28
      +2
      Arablik is still threshing !!! Cut the bavble !!! Iron floating !!!! It would be better if they took care of saving the crew !!!!
    2. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 28 January 2017 18: 43
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      It’s not true, there are three unmanned helicopters on board with a range of 220 km, which should correct the impact of shells by triangulation. That is, three helicopters fly to direct just one shell.

      Now I understand how a projectile worth 800 green US rubles should hit the target! fellow Are helicopters made using stealth technology too? belay Otherwise, God forbid, their air defense radars will notice and accidentally knock down request Who then will direct shells crying
  30. rasputin17
    rasputin17 28 January 2017 16: 26
    +2
    Chances are zero !!! This floating iron turns into a sunken coffin !!!!!!!!!!!!! No options IMHO !! hi
  31. romandostalo
    romandostalo 28 January 2017 17: 35
    +1
    When the dog has nothing to do ..... And these compare who wins the Terminator or the Hulk. Kindergarten!!!
  32. Altona
    Altona 28 January 2017 19: 36
    +1
    Quote: Kenneth
    And on missile weapons, Zimvolt Petra is doing

    -------------------------
    He can only do these Tomahawk missiles and are designed to work on stationary targets, and these are usually ground targets. Comparing these ships is like comparing a multiplayer (player from different sources) and a two-cassette recorder (in this case, Zamvolt) ...
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 28 January 2017 21: 27
      0
      About the anti-ship tomahawk you seem to have never heard of. And their 80 pieces can be dragged. He will do Peter in any case, if he does not reach boarding
      1. Karayakupovo
        Karayakupovo 28 January 2017 22: 15
        +1
        Dear, I remind you once again that we (I am a witness) can detect enemy ships in the work of the radar and the RTS (then in 1981 there were 2000 miles). A technology stealth like the body. So ours, I hope, has not since lost their achievement. Well, our missiles will be delivered before the adversary realizes. I have the honor. TOVVMU named after S.O. Makarov.
        1. Kenneth
          Kenneth 28 January 2017 22: 54
          0
          We can. And they can. In any case, what you witnessed was in the last century and related to past generations of radars. Between these ships several decades and the technological abyss. Whatever you finish there
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 29 January 2017 09: 51
            +1
            Quote: Kenneth
            We can. And they can.

            At the same time, we have something to shoot for half a hundred kilometers, but they don’t.
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 29 January 2017 09: 50
        +1
        Quote: Kenneth
        About the anti-ship tomahawk you seem to have never heard of.

        They are not there, the project of anti-ship axes failed.
        1. Kenneth
          Kenneth 29 January 2017 11: 20
          0
          Didn't fail
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 29 January 2017 13: 16
            +2
            There are no anti-ship axes in service - everything else is your wet dreams.
      3. Oleg Salov
        Oleg Salov 1 February 2017 00: 16
        +1
        With the air defense system on Petra, your tomahawks will not reach him, and after modernization in 2019-2020, when the S-400 is put on Peter, as well as Onyx and Zircon, this will not be a criminal fortress at all, he can now cut the iron under walnut, and even more so after modernization.
  33. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 28 January 2017 21: 04
    0
    Leisurely fabrications of a base journalistic brotherhood from across the ocean. The plot of such a confrontation itself is ridiculous, without taking into account other forces and means used in modern combat options.
  34. Altona
    Altona 28 January 2017 23: 10
    +1
    Quote: Kenneth
    About the anti-ship tomahawk you seem to have never heard of. And their 80 pieces can be dragged. He will do Peter in any case, if he does not reach boarding

    ----------------------------
    I heard a lot about what I read, read and see. Nevertheless, we really take Aleppo, they in Mosul have been losing people for three months. We with 5000 thousand “advisers” turn the tide of the war, they shoot new military blockbusters in Hollywood like Billy Linn's long halftime walk (2016) about a 19-year-old soldier who survived in Iraq. But in practice, Zamvolt has so far "given" the Panama Canal.
  35. aivengo2.0
    aivengo2.0 28 January 2017 23: 22
    0
    It’s not even stupid to think of comparing the TTX TAKR and the destroyer. The analyzer definitely has golden raspberries (torpedo) wink
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 29 January 2017 09: 53
      0
      Quote: aivengo2.0
      More stupidity and not think of comparing TTX TAKR and the destroyer.

      It’s not our fault that the Americans have nothing to compare with anymore.
  36. aivengo2.0
    aivengo2.0 28 January 2017 23: 30
    0
    Quote: aivengo2.0
    It’s not even stupid to think of comparing the TTX TAKR and the destroyer. The analyzer definitely has golden raspberries (torpedo) wink

    if what I mean by the laureate is an Asian, not a warmer))
    1. aivengo2.0
      aivengo2.0 28 January 2017 23: 31
      0
      browser *
  37. Evil 55
    Evil 55 29 January 2017 07: 45
    0
    Some kind of crap .. It’s incorrect to even compare ships with different application tasks .. Zumwalt is the personification of the successful laundering of US taxpayer bucks with a very unclear prospect of maritime shipping, because they are not sent from Pindorica more than 200 miles in order to be returned in time repair base by means of external towing, well, and our Emperor has already shown the whole globe that even AUG, not just some ridiculous enough destroyer, should not get in touch with him.
  38. PValery53
    PValery53 29 January 2017 08: 50
    +1
    Purpose of the article: "La la la la - fa-fa-fa - earned a fee" ("I brought you a denyushka for an apartment in January")
  39. prior
    prior 29 January 2017 09: 54
    +1
    The obvious is incredible.
    The Americans clearly proved that irons are able to swim, and this is their advantage over ships.
  40. Maz
    Maz 29 January 2017 10: 32
    +2
    This cast is reminiscent of the action of an Israeli seller in the market who wants to suck in stale goods in any way to uninformed customers and tourists.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 30 January 2017 10: 50
      +1
      Everything is fine, the expert wrote. The main message of his comparative analysis is that the Zumwalt crew can only hope that they will not notice it ...
  41. Oleg Salov
    Oleg Salov 31 January 2017 23: 42
    +2
    The advantages of the stealth technology, but he will receive this advantage only when he turns off all his electronics and radars, and in this state it is a wooden trough that can be taken with his bare hands, and if he turns on his radars, then his stealth technologies .
  42. jovanni
    jovanni 1 October 2017 19: 52
    +1
    The ability of these “experts” to earn their bread and butter with such empty-minded arguments is admirable ...
  43. Alexey Antonov
    Alexey Antonov 20 January 2018 17: 00
    +1
    Of course of course. Americans always and everywhere defeat everyone.
    On paper.
  44. Alexey Gusev_2
    Alexey Gusev_2 21 January 2018 18: 06
    0
    Quote: APASUS
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    NI columnist says friendship will win

    Yeah, the Friendship chainsaw. lol

    It’s worth building a ship for $ 7,5 billion to withstand on an equal footing a ship built in the 90s.
    Really super success, technological breakthrough!

    eighties