Electromagnetic guns in Russia and the USA

According to the Internet portal gearmix.ru, according to the Joint Institute for High Temperatures of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Shatura, the first electromagnetic rail gun created in Russia, capable of penetrating any armor, was successfully tested. Electromagnetic force acts as a striking factor, not explosives or fuel.

Ammunition is represented by 15-gram plastic cylindrical projectiles with a flight speed of more than 3 km / s. They pierce an aluminum blank a few centimeters thick. The scientists plan to bring the initial velocity of the projectile to 4,5 km / s. Instead of gunpowder, the gun uses electricity, converting it into an electromagnetic force known as the Lorentz force. The projectile accelerates, passing between the copper "rails" through which the current is passed. As a result, it travels a much greater distance than a traditional artillery shell, and in doing so, causes massive damage. Thanks to four stabilizers at the rear of the hull, the projectile can hit moving targets such as ships, drones or rockets.

Studies show that an 10-kilogram projectile, flying at a speed of approximately 8700 km / h over a distance of 160 km, is able to pierce three concrete walls or six 12-millimeter steel sheets.

In the USA, a similar project is being implemented, in which the navy is interested. More than 500 million dollars have already been spent for these purposes. In the future, scientists hope to create a rail electromagnetic gun that would fire projectiles with a speed of 7,5 M (seven times the speed of sound, making 9100 km / h) at a distance of 160 km. They are supposed to be installed on the “Zumwalt” destroyers, which are capable of providing sufficient energy supply. The difficulty of development is to create a wear-resistant model capable of making thousands of shots. It is expected that the guns in the US will arrive no earlier than in 10 years. The start of sea trials using 20-kg shells, developing supersonic speed, is scheduled for 2017 - 2018 years.

Comments

[marshes]

How everything is slowly developing.
at the end of the 80s from my elder brother I heard about electromagnetic guns saying that Mars can be fired with aluminum shells they say the teacher at the department told. And he studied at the Higher Military Command of the RV (MV).

[siberalt]

Let them show the battery to this gun, which breaks through concrete walls. A dead end to cut and nothing more.

[Dryuya2]

Although the moderators swear for the offtopic,
and I’ll offtop again
=====

presentation of the latest Russian MiG-35 fighter

[marshes]

Quote: Dryuya2

presentation of the latest Russian MiG-35 fighter

It’s great, but we, as potential buyers, are still considering the J-10 option, here, in addition to series A, B, on the next branch they will present the C version.

[Zaurbek]

You can, by the way, and consider ... with a more powerful AL-41 ...

[marshes]

Quote: Zaurbek

You can, by the way, and consider ... with a more powerful AL-41 ...

That's when it appears then consider.
With the AL-31, it is simpler to supply the TECs of the air regiment, air base, in terms of routine maintenance. You do not need to increase the staff. Yes, and the number of aircraft remains at the same level.

[byxarik1]

standings ATP movie class, super plane, operator mu-k !

[marshes]

Quote: siberalt

Let them show the battery to this gun, which breaks through concrete walls. A dead end to cut and nothing more.

Maybe this is an AAA element, and the highlight in Tesla's secret transformers, which feed energy from a parallel universe.

[KAV]

Quote: siberalt

Let them show the battery for this gun

Have reactors already been canceled?
PS Do you happen to have worked in your woodworking industry all your life?

[Asadullah]

Have reactors already been canceled?

Not fit. Weapons need constant power. For rate of fire. The man correctly said about the battery, the Americans are just developing charger power. So far, this is not a weapon yet; it is not a principle that will make it a weapon, but engineering solutions of ammunition.

[kit_bellew]

Quote: Asadullah

Not fit. Weapons need constant power. For rate of fire.

Now I just have no time to remember electrodynamics - I'm late for work , however ... here is an example from life. I have a combo amplifier that works great both on batteries and on mains. Moreover, the batteries run out sooner or later, while the network (in this case, an analog of the reactor) - you understand. Oh yes! I’m sure 20-30 years ago, many had dual-cassette tape recorders, so you understand me. As for the rate of fire, then IMHO it is up to the mechanics of the supply of ammunition.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: siberalt

Let them show the battery to this gun, which breaks through concrete walls. A dead end to cut and nothing more.

Oleg ! Yes there and in addition to batteries of unresolved problems - the sea is spilled! So I support - cut!

[Senior manager]

A little over a century ago, a person could not fly a plane, and in fact, electricity was just beginning, and the computer was called by the import "abacus". But somehow everything settled down. Maybe you didn’t cut it all the same? Oh !, I forgot the radio and television.

[opus]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Yes there and in addition to batteries of unresolved problems - the sea is spilled!

Sound pliz:
about "batteries and unsolved problems"
- about the "rest of the sea draft".
happy to read

Quote: bouncyhunter

So I support - cut!

well yes well yes yes
All "cut"
Cybernetics - cut, genetics again, stealth - the same, Elon Musk with his return steps at 100%

bouncyhunter I have a purely technical question for you.
here you are registered less than a year

more 1500 comments, ALWAYS first, in ALL topics and comments ALWAYS IN LIVING, already general
Where and when did you learn so ("***** b")?

[Saburov]

Quote: opus

Cybernetics - cut, genetics again, stealth - the same, Elon Musk with his return steps at 100%

For many people who are sitting on a sofa or at a computer, the practical and theoretical part does not make a difference ... like in a fairy tale: It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines. I may not professionally understand, but I studied physics well at school and I am friends with common sense.

Nothing fundamentally new has been implemented, all technologies are as old as the world (if the laws of physics do not suddenly change).
Advantages
1) High destructive power of a shot;
2) Impressive firing range (from 150 to 350 km)
3) The safety of this type of weapon due to the lack of explosive fuel powder
4) The reduced weight will allow you to equip the equipment with a large number of charges;
5) The projectile speed can reach nine thousand kilometers per hour. (In the middle of the 80's, Soviet scientists created a prototype railgun. The speed of a projectile made of plastic, comparable in size to a bottle cap, reached 9960 m / s and punched 3 layer of duralumin with a thickness of 4 cm.)
Disadvantages and problems
1) A clear, sharp impulse is needed that the projectile accelerates and pushes before it scatters or evaporates
2) A huge amount of energy with which the pulse gun will be activated (of the order of 60-70 megawatts, which compact energy sources have not yet been invented)
3) Adverse effects of moisture and salt that corrode the system (relative to fleet use)
4) System stabilization
5) Complete unmasking of the launcher (regarding a strong electromagnetic pulse) that occurs after the first shot
6) The projectile must have a minimum mass, the material for the manufacture of the projectile and the rail must have high conductivity (to the question of the cost of the projectile)
7) Guides in the gun have to be changed after every second shot.
8) Work on increasing the speed leads to the destruction of shells in flight, and this also becomes a serious obstacle to the widespread introduction of the railgun. To this list you can add the need for a high-precision guidance and sight system.
9) If you need to accumulate 60 megawatts for a shot, then these 60 megawatts need to be generated and saved! Even if without losses with 100% efficiency and type on superconductors, all the same huge aircraft carrier nuclear reactors at 300 megawatts will pump the energy of 15-20 minutes ... until the next shot. You’ll kill yourself, but the laws of physics can’t get around in any way, and to shoot 5 rounds per minute, you need the energy of 100 aircraft carriers ... LITERALLY 100!
Well, to backfill. The projectile will fly not along a ballistic trajectory with a decrease, but in a straight line like a laser beam, meanwhile the earth is round, and the horizon from the destroyer deck starts somewhere at a distance of 15 km, a target at a distance of 50 km cannot be reached with a direct shot. Shoot from an airplane? From the surface of the sea, from the ship, as a result, the projectile will pass in 400 m above the target. A speed of approximately 8 km / s is sufficient to enter the orbit of the earth; above it is already possible to fly to the sun. In addition, a shot with a speed of at least 3-4 km / s should cause, if it does not occur in a vacuum, a powerful shock wave and instantaneous heating of air in the shot zone.
PS So all these dances around the miracle of weapons (lasers and railguns) have one meaning ... money and money again.

[Saburov]

As one of the developers (Electromagnetic railgun) stated, One of the problems of the railgun is that the material with the highest possible conductivity is needed to make its shells, because To create a driving force along the rails, a very powerful instantaneous current discharge is launched. If the projectile material has insufficient conductivity, it can evaporate in the railgun under the influence of current even before exiting the gun.
The second limiter is the power source. In the near future, the US Navy plans to test the railgun based on the ship (only the ship today can withstand a shot from this weapon). For a volley from a modern railgun, an impulse of 25 (!) Megawatts is required. One of the ships of the US Navy, which was specially designed taking into account the possibility of being equipped with a railgun, is equipped with 78 megawatt power plants, and the most common value is electric. The installation power on the ship is a figure in 9 megawatts. For one shot of the railgun, almost 30% of the installation power of the spec is required. fleet ship. One should not even think about using this type of weapon on ordinary ships ... Solve the issue only with a power source, as It’s very expensive to build ships specifically under the “rail” (an energy installation in 70 megawatts is the energy consumption of a small city). As soon as the issue of nutrition is resolved, we can see the railguns in service ...

[Vita vko]

Quote: Saburov

As soon as the issue of nutrition is resolved

Capacitors are used to power the electromagnets of the railgun directly, which are necessary for the accumulation of energy. It is the volume of capacitors that must be transported together with the electromagnetic gun on a large truck that limits the possibilities for use. So far, there is only enough space for them on ships.
The following limitation is associated with the need to develop heat-resistant ammunition and the limited resource of the barrel. It’s not even a matter of friction, there, during acceleration, an air gap is created, but that. that the plasma passing through the barrel in its properties is no different from powerful welding, which no metal can withstand. Therefore, the trunks are almost disposable.

[opus]

Quote: Saburov

1) A clear, sharp impulse is needed that the projectile accelerates and pushes before it scatters or evaporates

restriction on the length of the barrel. And any impulse will be given to you (CERN)

Quote: Saburov

2) A huge amount of energy with which the pulse gun will be activated (of the order of 60-70 megawatts,

garbage on vegetable oil

https://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&u
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KILOVATOVA!
put ANY values ​​in the formulas given, V is limited by 10М (Х340 m / C) in the atmosphere, for

Quote: Saburov

about 60-70 megawatts

You will have to throw multi-ton pigs. Who tries it?

Quote: Saburov

3) Adverse effects of moisture and salt that corrode the system (relative to fleet use)

nonsense.
There copper and ceramics. During the shot and after T from 140grs dryness is amazing.
out of combat mission, casing.
APM AFAR live and do not cough

Quote: Saburov

6) The projectile must have a minimum mass, the material for the manufacture of the projectile and the rail must have high conductivity (to the question of the cost of the projectile)

Quote: Saburov

5) Complete unmasking of the launcher (regarding a strong electromagnetic pulse) that occurs after the first shot

pah. For a micro-pic-second, no one will see anything.
The radar blade, in order to detect it, you need to get 4 (!) Continuous bursts, otherwise, it is classified as a hindrance.
and what kind of super-duper pulse in 20 kW?

AGM 77 gives at the peak of 10, why not turn it on now?

Quote: Saburov

7) Guides in the gun have to be changed after every second shot.

Nonsense, the Americans have reached the resource of 400 shots, now they are working on 1000

Quote: Saburov

Well, to backfill.

Well, on the spit.
1. A shell flies in an environment (atmosphere), a shell is not an ideal ball, aerodynamic forces act on it
2. Gravity acting on the projectile
3. On the projectile are: the precession of the Earth, etc. etc
Whatever

Quote: Saburov

and in a straight line like a laser beam

you have to be a PHOTON and not POSSESS MASS

[andj61]

In general, Saburov is very often engaged in copy-paste from unverified and dubious sites, not even including common sense! Therefore, his shell in the Earth’s atmosphere flies in a straight line, like a ray of light. Therefore, he needs tens of megawatts of energy for an electric gun.
Apparently, he really taught physics well, but did not advance beyond the sixth grade of high school ...

[opus]

Quote: andj61

Apparently, he really taught physics well, but did not advance beyond the sixth grade of high school ..

Well Duc ..

Quote: Saburov

According to one of the developers (Electromagnetic railgun),

I would like to read "one of" in the original, and not in the transcription of Mr. Saburov

Quote: Saburov

that for making his shells material with the highest possible conductivity is needed, because To create a driving force along the rails, a very powerful instantaneous current discharge is launched.

WHICH RAM WILL MAKE a throwing shell WHOLE from such MATERIAL?

red, what turns into a plasma conductive bridge and plays the role of a conductor of the rotor winding
and green - "linear bearings"

[Shurik70]

Quote: opus

red, what turns into a plasma conductive bridge and plays the role of a conductor of the rotor winding
and green - "linear bearings"

That's it.
In all large-caliber railguns (railsotrons, "rails") the same good old gun principle is used.
Behind the projectile there is a plasma that presses on the projectile.
All the difference - instead of burning gunpowder, plasma is used, driven by electric current.
The “pure” rail, where the current acts not on the plasma behind the projectile, but on the projectile itself, is studied only in Russia. Back in Soviet times, a prototype was created where a powerful electric pulse was produced from an "explosive generator". It’s a kind of disposable unit, the size and weight of which is like a shot from an RPG-7, firing a small plastic bullet from a special material that conducts electricity. It was assumed that they would install missile defense on missiles. The missile brings the shot closer to the target, takes aim, and then the bullet destroys the enemy missile.

In what state is all this now - I do not know. They have been silent about this for a long time.
But judging by the silence - either abandoned or classified.

[Saburov]

Quote: Shurik70

I would like to read "one of" in the original, and not in the transcription of Mr. Saburov

Yes please! http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-first-look-at-ameri
cas-supergun-1464359194 and here http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/us-navy
s-railgun-dream-could-be-denied-by-two-big-sol
ms-17301

[Saburov]

Quote: andj61

Saburov generally very often copy-paste from unverified and dubious sites

Because already tired of the same procrastinate and wash bones on the same topics. One hell that everyone suggests. I’m already reluctant to write.

Quote: andj61

Apparently, he really taught physics well, but did not advance beyond the sixth grade of high school ...

Aghdam drank, Kazbek smoked ... there was no time, all the time it took to physical training.

[Saburov]

Quote: opus

restriction on the length of the barrel. And any impulse will be given to you (CERN)

This meant the descent of the projectile from the guides before it begins to collapse. Engineers cannot solve this fundamental problem. It was smooth on the screen, but forgot about the lies.

Quote: opus

garbage on vegetable oil

Oh really? Maybe tell it to American engineers and designers? And the fact that they are carrying megawatt installations with you! Urgently write to the US Navy! They spend such grandmas on these 70 MW, and this is not necessary at all. You will also be given a prize for sure.

Quote: opus

nonsense.
There are copper and ceramics.

It’s good of course that copper, but it’s a pity nature does not know about it.


And about ceramics, I recall a plot with foam falling off the tank and hitting the shuttle's thermal insulation with ceramic tile. And if you think about what will become of such a design if an airplane passes along 10 meters in 2 meters?

Quote: opus

pah. For a micro-pic-second, no one will see anything.

... and most importantly, detect the moment of the shot and the distance to the installation. And EMR at the moment of the shot can be easily detected by modern radar systems from a great distance ... Director of the Shatursky branch of the Joint Institute for High Temperatures of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexey Shurupov. This is for you and all the radio engineers!

Quote: opus

Nonsense, the Americans have reached the resource of 400 shots, now they are working on 1000

Did you yourself consider it or are you doing installation maintenance? Or they report to you ... Dear Opus! The Railgun was cleaned, the way did not change! ... Isn’t it funny? And even more so, you don’t have to be seven spans in your forehead to guess what is happening with the air next to the unit at these speeds. And unfortunately deformation is inherent in everything.

Quote: opus

Gravity acts on the projectile

Yes you? Well, and what mass should have a projectile flying out of the installation at a speed of 6 km / s and capable of hitting a target at a distance of, for example, 67 km. I think that they will direct exactly on the ISS.

Quote: opus

you have to be a PHOTON and not POSSESS MASS

The first space however is!

[opus]

Quote: Saburov

Yes please! h

Not here

Quote: Saburov

As one of developers

vaabche

Quote: Saburov

This meant the descent of the projectile from the guides before it begins to collapse.

no problem with this, completely

Quote: Saburov

the fact that they carry megawatt installations with them!

1. Really, really. should I repeat the formulas again?
2: In those affiliate sources you pointed to
For 10,64 MJ Muzzle Energy
Engaged 32-MJ switching power supply from Green Farm Electric Gun
32 MJ is 6944.4444444444 Wh. 10 rounds per minute
Almost 7 kW- horror what
Basis of the translation of quantities: 1 J = 0.00027777777777778 Wh
If so, then the Arleigh Burke class (DDGs)
4 * General Electric LM2500-30 (LM2500 +) = 4 * 30 200 kW
Enough for pulse charging

Quote: Saburov

Did you yourself consider it or are you doing installation maintenance?

Read normal reports, not the yellow press.
This is a report to customers.
Chief of Naval Research Admiral Matthew Klunder stated, "Barrel life has increased from tens of shots to over 400, with a program path to achieve 1000 shots." However, the Office of Naval Research (ONR) will not confirm that the 400 shots are full-power shots.

http://www.acq.osd.mil/chieftechnologist/publicat
ions / docs / FY2015_TestimonyONR_KlunderUSNM_2014032
6.pdf

Quote: Saburov

Himself is not funny?

I'm not laughing at stupid things anymore, but

Quote: Saburov

Yes you?

and you do not know?
When a projectile moves in a gaseous medium, the energy of the projectile is transmitted to air molecules, which puts the latter into motion. In addition, a large proportion of the energy of the projectile is spent on the friction of air molecules (as well as dust, grains of sand, water droplets, etc.). This energy is spent on heating the surface of the projectile and blowing it in flight of air.

The second main force acting on the projectile is gravity, that is, the attraction of the Earth. Gravity is equal to the product of the mass of the projectile by the acceleration of gravity, therefore, gravity acts on the entire trajectory with the same value, depending on the mass of the projectile.

Quote: Saburov

Well, and how much shell should have

why "should"?
10 kg (23 pounds)

Quote: Saburov

The first space however is!

And?
There is 2 and 3.

What does this change?

[Saburov]

So what? The fact that you have given formulas and units of measurement, for some reason, does not make this "miracle weapon" combat-ready and even generally applicable. I already told you, contact the US Ministry of Defense, show them the formulas and tell how it is necessary to continue development and about kilowatt capacities, I think they will issue you an order! But I don’t need to explain here. Just understand the difference in theory and practice. The difference between is and will be. I see this difference every month at the training grounds.

[opus]

Quote: Saburov

I already told you, contact the US Department of Defense, show them the formulas and tell us how to continue developing

US DoD is not children (As you suspect).
What for.
they know everything. and work and do



and this is the report for 2014
.

Quote: Saburov

and about kilowatt power,

They USED kilowatt power.
You, that are dumb and cannot read (not yellow articles, but a report)


electromagnetic throwing system developed by the staff of the National Laboratory in Albuquerque will soon arrange a burial ground in orbit
(Every five years, a standard “millionaire” nuclear power plant emits 300 tons of spent fuel)

Quote: Saburov

But I don’t need to explain here.

rather like this: NOT POSSIBLE

Quote: Saburov

I see this difference every month at the training grounds.

?
Come on?

[Saburov]

Quote: opus

You, that are dumb and cannot read (not yellow articles, but a report)

No arguments, push on the eye?
Tell you how reports are made? According to reports, three wagons of condensed milk, in fact not a single one.

Quote: opus

rather like this: NOT POSSIBLE

Clear.

[Anton Valerevich]

If the reactor is capable of delivering 300 MW, then it will take 60 seconds to charge a 0.2 MW gun, and not 15-20 minutes, because 1 W = 1 J / s.

[marshes]

Quote: opus

here you are registered less than a year

It's not like we are former marshals.

[opus]

Quote: marshes

It's not like we are former marshals.

We are all "old" flyers.
Mb because little "licked"?

[marshes]

Quote: opus

We are all "old" flyers.
Mb because little "licked"?

Here you need to have a knack, catch the beginning and write something patriotic. And Hooray.
Okay, our "Kazakhs" write about love for the Russian Federation, I wrote diametrically opposite times and it somehow reached the Marshall stars, although thanks to “those” in the soul there is something, but they are afraid to express themselves.

[opus]

Quote: marshes

Here you need to have a knack, catch the beginning and write something patriotic

The Society in general, and the site in particular, were flooded with Helminths (colloquially worms, from other Greek ἕλμινς - parasitic worm, worm)
And the Internet is weak with him.
In vain minuses removed

[marshes]

Quote: opus

In vain minuses removed

That’s for sure, there are no more seropogons. He paid attention to how many minuses he caught on the account of the Airborne Forces, just a supporter of the Airborne Forces.
Mostly balls after the Ukrainian events.

[Delink]

Tongue wagging, not tossing bags !!!

[210ox]

Batteries have always been a weak point of energy sources. And I think that this is all real. Yes, these conversations have been going on for a long time, just keep in mind that our science has suffered significant damage, and the Yankees had slightly different tasks. Now this topic just surfaced again. .

Quote: siberalt

Let them show the battery to this gun, which breaks through concrete walls. A dead end to cut and nothing more.

[Kisso4kin]

must read carefully

[opus]

Quote: siberalt

Let them show the battery for this gun, which concrete walls break through

do not repeat stupid things, which are somehow dull out by a dumb "expert"
1. The energy of the projectile at the "trunk" cut at

Quote: author

10 kilogram projectile flying at a speed of approximately 8700 km / h

E = mV ^ 2 / 2
E = 10 kg * 2417 (m / s) * 2417 (m / s) / 2 = 29 205 417 J
2. Transformer efficiency = 0,98 (and higher)

Capacitor efficiency (if not forgotten) 70-75% at low voltages, up to 95% at high
3. The overall efficiency of the "electric machine)
0,98 * 0,95 = 0,64.
Let it be 0,5% (thorns, heat, other losses)
4. In order to ensure 8700 km / h = 2417 m / s for the body 10 kg with the efficiency of the “electric machine” = 0,5, 29 205 417 J * 2 = approximately 59 MJ of electric energy 16388.888888889 Wh
16,4 kWh
(59000000 joule per second = 59000000 watts)
TOTAL 16,4 KWh

Battery Tesla Model S


Traction batteries for forklifts


Nissan hydrogen fuel cell

specific power 2,5 kW / l (fuel cell volume)

30 kW diesel generator Azimut model HELL 30-T400.

Continuous power 37,5 kVA / 30 kW
Standby power 41,25 kVA / 33 kW
Voltage 230 / 400 V
Speed ​​/ Speed ​​50 Hz / 1500 rpm
Phase / Pole 3 Phase / 4 Pole
Dimensions of the power plant open on the frame 2000X630X1300 mm
The weight of the power plant open on the frame 700 kg
Dimensions of the power plant in the eurocasing 2200X900X1400 mm
Weight of the power plant in the eurocasing 1050 kg

Dare

[Uncle]

Quote: opus

Dare

You did not mention the efficiency of the gun itself. How to tell the projectile this speed? Americans put experts with guns on the ships, there pour energy.

[opus]

Quote: Uncle

You did not mention the efficiency of the gun itself

Linear motor efficiency approx. 96% +
And it DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING, I already took 50%, not 64%

Quote: Uncle

Americans put experts with guns on the ships, there pour energy.

I showed proved (there are formulas) of energy, there is required a minuscule, like 1 and SPY-1, crap.
the problem is different
1.burning the contact points of the LED and the projectile (the Americans decided, we decide a little differently)
2. Breaks and deformation of the barrel in the direction of the "gun" transverse to the axis.
"Recoil"
The Americans spoiled the 3 of the year to nothing, since some Riotton said that there would be no return
3 Fast Capacitor Degradation
with electricity and required capacity - all in a bundle

[gridasov]

Actually, I was thinking. that you are a more literate person, but you’ve made a mistake. All your calculations are a particular solution to some static moment. And the analysis of the dynamics of the process here does not smell. The projectile is first accelerated and a complex of physical processes occurs according to the algorithm of their sequence. You use some fixed mathematically expressed parameters and consider that the whole process is based on them. And even if you change the mathematical input, you will end up with a set of numbers, but not the process algorithm. Do you understand this?

[Signore Tomato]

Quote: opus

TOTAL 16,4 KWh

Do you offer to charge the cannon for an hour after a shot?
Then exactly a one-time weapon will work out - they will be guaranteed for an hour.
25 megawatts will be needed for the gun, which shoots about once in 2,5 seconds.
63 megawatts will be needed to fire once a second.

You have cereal in your head and your cheeks are full.

[Vadim237]

They heard about superionists - in fact, capacitors of large capacity, they can be used as a single-shot sleeve, in a railgun, to fire a blank, one shot - the discharged ionister is discarded, put charged, and the spent can be sent for charging.

[opus]

Quote: Signor Tomato

Do you offer to charge the cannon for an hour after a shot?

they have an xnumx rate of fire per minute.
16,4 * 10 * 2 (took from the bulldozer K = 2 for all losses for cooling and starting acceleration by non-EM forces) = 328 kWh
if "what" then the Arleigh Burke class (DDGs)
4 * General Electric LM2500-30 (LM2500 +) = 4 * 30 200 kW

Quote: Signor Tomato

63 megawatts will be needed to fire once a second.

they have achieved survivability of barrel-xnumx shots. on 400 MJ.
1) 1 once a second for 6 minutes
2) 1) once in a second you can’t even aim.
3) will overheat

Quote: Signor Tomato

You have cereal in your head and your cheeks are full.

you don’t have a head at all, or rather a brain in it; the ganglion is one and the same seedy.
it's better to puff out your cheeks than your intestines like you
Enough to read (if you have free time)
https://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&u
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and the conclusion is typical ἕλμινς ... but with ambition

[Volzhanin]

Well so world science developed mainly due to Russian brains. Science has been stolen from us and this madness continues, while the rest simply do not have the appropriate brains, so everything was inhibited.

[3danimal]

The statement is pleasant, but false. (Socrates is my friend, but the truth is more expensive) Look at the lists of names of Nobel laureates 20-21vv. From the USSR (the majority) and the Russian Federation there are 21 of them (I would like more ..

[NEXUS]

Quote: marshes

How everything is slowly developing.

And we have the last 200 years, from when the first firearms were invented, which fired using gunpowder, so far nothing more intelligent has been invented.
And the railgun, or raglan, in the West, is a weapon that works on other principles. And if you think that the same railgun or laser is invented at the click of a finger, then I will disappoint you. The main problem of the railgun is energy.

[marshes]

Quote: NEXUS

And the railgun, or raglan, in the West, is a weapon that works on other principles. And if you think that the same railgun or laser is invented at the click of a finger, then I will disappoint you. The main problem of the railgun is energy.

Not long ago there was infa about a Chinese communications satellite, which works on a quantum basis. I’ve thought about it. They’re already trying to teleport something.
Maybe we should build a nuclear power plant in Kyzylorda and build a stargate on Baikonur. Although in Astana, the construction of the Death Star is coming to an end.
There is a foolishness somewhere to start outstanding excavation work in Kazakhstan so that the world could manage itself out of fear. Although the earthquake in the Karaganda region is a very rare occurrence, the command of the Central Military District frightened greatly, which the RBKhZi were alerted after 10 minutes.

[Reserve officer]

The news was more than 30 years late. In the USSR, the first samples were created in the 80's at the branch institutes of the General Ministry. He personally participated in the development of a pulsed energy source. And these data are no longer a secret, in the 90's gentlemen, the directors of the institutes declassified everything and made scientific and technical reports for staffers on their grandees.

[Banishing liberoids]

It’s just that the photo is not a gun, but just a technological imitator of a gun, and, before the practical creation of a real gun, oh, how far no one came close to solving the main problem — reducing barrel wear from shots, due to high wear and tear, the firing range decreases, about accuracy in general, you can forget, and the figure of 1000 shots from an American cannon causes a grin - since the prototype shoots in pure gold, it is very expensive and complicated, only huge injections do not allow you to close the program right now. The Americans really want to have such a weapon in their home, and here they really are not worth the price.

[siberalt]

Trump, finding out how many nuclear weapons in the warehouses, economically remarked, if so much has been done, then why is it lying around idle?

[INTA_VEGA]

Such a technological simulator in the St. Petersburg Polytechnic University was shown 100 years ago. Only the main problems have not yet been resolved ...

[Monster_Fat]

This is a primitive "UG" I saw in the program, in my opinion, back in 2002. This bullshit is being issued now, for the type of "latest development." Type the title of this article on the Internet and read how people are joking about this "latest" "development", made at the level of a "children's designer" and compare with the American models that are already installed on the Zemvolts.

[ADmA_RUS]

Until they resolve the issue with:
Compact source of energy;
Wear on guide rails;
Disguising an electromagnetic pulse.
This technology will remain a "toy".

[KAV]

Quote: Monster_Fat

which are already installed on the "Zemvoly"

Who is there that sets the earthquakes? Proof to the studio please! All articles that were about zemvolts before are nothing more than beautiful plans! And all the alleged confirmation of the tests were not supported by any real photo or video.

[Parsec]

Quote: Monster_Fat

and compare with the American samples that are already installed on the "Zemvolta".

And how many Zamvolts have already been installed? And the main builder reported to you?

[Vasya_Piterskiy]

People, why are you so critical ??? In our country, it’s always like this, at first they will do something, it is unclear what is similar. Then they will sort the principle into cogs, eliminate the shortcomings and ....

[Vasya_Piterskiy]

because once upon a time, the 3,5 inch floppy disk was the height of progress ...

[RUS96]

We have a longer gun for any)))

[voyaka uh]

There are two railgun designs:
1) Russian - promising, consistent with all laws of physics and creating a fundamentally new, powerful weapon .
2) American - a shameless cut of dough, contrary to science and engineering common sense and doomed to failure.
I ask that all comments comply with paragraphs 1 or 2. Importantly, do not confuse

[SRC P-15]

Quote: voyaka uh

There are two railgun designs:

You need to understand that Israel has moved beyond the project and already have this railgun available? That is why you did not include a third project on your list: “Israeli”?

[voyaka uh]

We love lasers more ("cut dough", of course).
We have no suitable ship for the rail. And then the gun will come out longer than the ship.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: voyaka uh

We have no suitable ship for the rail. And then the gun will come out longer than the ship

Yes, this rail and in the territory of your Israel does not fit.

[ML-334]

It is necessary to shoot energy and not use energy as a shooting.

[Uncle]

Quote: ML-334

Need to shoot energy

Exactly how Zeus toss lightning.

[ML-334]

To the point! There is no better comparison.

[Asadullah]

There are two railgun designs:

Most likely there are no projects, there is a principle that they want to use for decades, but no new solutions create a breakthrough. The same story with an ICBM laser, and much more. In my opinion, it is better to combine efforts, and try to launch something in orbit in this way, and not to puff up to launch a neighbor’s stone in the eye in an exotic way. This disc, even very fast, is at best effective only in aviation, but for this it will not have enough rate of fire. Over the seventy years of the existence of the idea, nothing has changed, there are no discoveries, no engineering that brings the principle to an applied level.

[ADmA_RUS]

Here is the subtlety.
We do not build a carrierи under yet not created by rail.

[Dekabrist]

Great spotted! And if the author of the note still taught physics at school.

[opus]

Quote: voyaka uh

I ask that all comments comply with paragraphs 1 or 2. The main thing is not to be confused

I support you at 100%
1.none of the world
2. Dumb s, we tried it in the 19th century, garbage
Add point 3
3. Ukrainian railgun (do all the time in the garage)

no-bucks, no way (for sure)

oh yes "yavriev" still forgot.

then p.4

[Tektor]

If you take a tungsten pencil stick weighing about 60 kg, 5 cm in diameter and 1 m long and accelerate it with a railotron to the first space (7,9 km / s), then the energy will be released when it hits the target, like 450 kg of TNT, approximately , excluding the pyrophoric effect.

[Asadullah]

then energy will be released when it hits the target, like from 450 kg of TNT, approximately, without taking into account the pyrophoric effect.

Where does she stand out? Your core will flash all existing types of armor and fly further dispersing this energy according to the familiar formulas of thermodynamics. If your goal is to hit an object, then the method is the delivery and dissipation of energy directly in the object.

[Tektor]

Energy can be released in the bunker ... Especially pyrophoric. And nobody will spend half a ton of TNT on the tank.

[Asadullah]

Energy can be released in the bunker ...

If there detonates explosives Here old Maxwell, with its distribution over the momentum vector, is to help you. Speed, time, energy, motion vector.

[minus]

Of course, kinetic energy will be like 447,49 kg of TNT, but I doubt that the damaging effect will be similar.

[Uncle]

Quote: Tektor

pencil stick weighing about 60 kg

This pencil will weigh 38 kg.

[Tektor]

Your Truth: Crash Malech.

[Dekabrist]

I wonder what grade the author of the note had in physics at school. Or a victim of the exam? Write such nonsense.

[Captain Nemo]

Everything is cool, only a small power station you need to carry with you. And supercapacitor batteries.

[Siberian]

..Thanks to four stabilizers in the back of the case a projectile can hit such moving targets as ships, drones or rockets ...

I would like to see))) Ha ha ha ...

[Bronevick]

You can charge the batteries for this gun: Balakovo NPP circuit breaker No. 5.

[kolkulon]

Yes, everything is already there. I saw in Stalker and even pulled from Gauss.

[K-50]

An electromagnetic force acts as a damaging factor, not explosives or fuel.

For such opuses, a hunt is to take a mallet, such as the one that is knocked on a cedar to extract cones with nuts, and on the head of a journalist, on the head !!!
If you write, so at least apply the terms correctly !!! Well, is it really so difficult to consult a dictionary if the vocabulary itself is not enough, well, or don’t write at all. From such illiteracy, the dumbbell takes !!!!!

[opus]

Quote: K-50

and on the head of a journalist, on the head !!!

But what's the point?
He (the author) has the strongest bone there.
What do you want to hurt? mossk? So he's not there

so necessary

[Uncle]

Quote: K-50

For such opus hunting take a beater

Thanks to the four stabilizers in the back of the shell, the projectile can hit

Learned the purpose of the stabilizer! This projectile strikes them the entire list of targets! In vain it was called a stabilizer, it was necessary to call a striker.

[Editor]

Thanks to the four stabilizers at the rear of the hull, the projectile can hit moving targets such as ships, drones, or rockets.

it is thanks to the stabilizers, and not the speed and strength of the projectile ....

wrote an article by a non-journalist

[Operator]

Exactly that journalist / nerd

[Proton]

And for what this gun is generally needed, shoot in space if only, there is no friction.

[Shadow of darkness]

Everything was mentioned, but about the friction you first noticed. Especially relevant in conditions of speed of 3 km per second and the plastic material of the projectile. The range, I think, will definitely be in N-km with the mandatory penetration of an armor plate ...

[ism_ek]

This article is a reverse translation from English.
I advise you to watch the video - the source and to the end [media = http: //www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-41
51214 / Russian-unveils-new-weapon-shatter-armor.h
tml # v-781578810866645092]

[Letun]

Illiterate article with the expectation of cheap patriotism. It is mixed in a bunch: kilometers per second, Machs, kilometers per hour, stabilizers helping to hit, for some reason, moving targets ... It’s a pity you can’t slam a minus.

[tolmachiev51]

Projects are good, but we will be able to realize energy costs in 50 years.

[opus]

Quote: Author

В electromagnetic force acts as a damaging factorAnd not explosives or fuel.

The author seems to need treatment

Quote: Author

Ammunition represented by 15 gram plastic cylindrical shells with a flight speed of more than 3 km / s. They pierce an aluminum blank a few centimeters thick.

He doesn’t even mind what it is about, what is BP, and what is MV

Quote: Author

Studies show that an 10-kilogram projectile, flying at a speed of approximately 8700 km / h over a distance of 160 km, is able to pierce three concrete walls or six 12-millimeter steel sheets.

it’s as if to get to 160 km (on a ballistic one) in that concrete wall and in those 6 sheets of 12mm
(? why do you need to take exactly 6 * 12 mm sheets? You cannot take one on 80mm)
And the question is: and on kuya at 160 km to break through a concrete wall or 6 sheets of 12 mm?

Quote: Author

According to the internet portal gearmix.ru

"Source translation for gearmix (Anton Komarov)"
So the author read gearmix, and gearmix printed an article by Antokha Komarov, who translated it (attention !!!) from

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4151214/R
ussian-unveils-new-weapon-shatter-armor.html


from 2016
[media = https: //youtu.be/1TOMd_z3iS4]
therefore and jambs? google tracer?
Moreover, www.dailymail.co. everything is godless (bachelors of art?)
And why not take it easier
JIHT RAS

and by the way, not "now", and with 2011 the Shatursky miracle "" - Railgun of Artsimovich
from 2011
[media = https: //youtu.be/-Kb33QfS5jI]
http://www.jiht.ru/
By the way, they have been teaching EMF courses for a long time (with 2010)

http://www.jiht.ru/study/bases/fmbf/programs_old.
php? sphrase_id = 18642
or
Shatursky railgun made its first launch (part of 1)
http://www.postkomsg.com/science/209289/
http://postkomsg.com/science/209290/
THE PRESIDENT OF THE RAS HAD EXPERIMENTED !!!!!
oooh !!!
Vladimir Fortov


the one Vladimir Fortov who handed out the titles to academics as the head of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and the FAPSI?
[media = https: //youtu.be/oT7JlioIb7g]
Sense I feel "will be"

but what about such an enthusiastic article from gearmix? When

Electromagnetic "divorce": reality and speculation about the American railgun

http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/2016060107
41-yj7y.htm

[region58]

Quote: opus

The author seems to need treatment

Quote: Letun

Mixed in a bunch: kilometers per second, Machs, kilometers per hour, stabilizers helping to hit, for some reason, moving targets ...

I wonder if the journalists have an analogue of the Silver Galosh prize or the Darwin Prize. The article can be safely nominated. At the same level as the "oscilloscope needle" or "why did the explosion of a rectangular bag make a round funnel?"

[opus]

Quote: region58

I wonder if the journalists have an analogue of the Silver Galosh prize or the Darwin Prize.

Prize “Pigasus” (in its name the words pig and pegasus are combined - “pig” and “pegasus”) = for the greatest contribution to pseudoscience

+
“Global Stupidity Award” = Award motto - “We are all fools, but some are especially”

At the first award ceremony, the organizers deliberately restricted the American president George W. Bush three nominations because they feared that he would take away all the rewards.

[Blackmokona]

The US has a guided projectile for rails. Maybe the author hints at him? Though the devil knows him.

[opus]

Quote: BlackMokona

The US has a guided projectile for rails.

1. The author writes about the RUSSIAN development
2.What to "hint"? but it’s very similar: “What do you mean? What I have, I’ll introduce it”
3. Americans do not, they think about it

But how to manage it then?

[Blackmokona]

According to American electronics, they have already successfully tested on a low-power version of 3 MJ.
https://nplus1.ru/news/2015/06/25/railgun

The American company General Atomics Electromagnetic Systems has tested kinetic shells for a railgun with electronics installed in them. According to Defense Aerospace, the test firing took place on June 9-10, 2015 at the Dagway training ground in Utah, but the company announced this only now. The electronics of the shells withstood firing from an electromagnetic gun and without any malfunctions worked in flight.
The electronic components of the kinetic shells, responsible for guiding and correcting the trajectory, withstood the acceleration in the barrel, which was 30 thousand times higher than the acceleration of gravity. In addition, the effect of the electromagnetic field formed in the barrel of the railgun during the shot did not affect the electronic systems. The shooting was carried out with the help of a low-powered experimental prototype of the Blitzer railgun with a launch energy of three megajoules.

In Russian, I think ours will go the same way. Since without this the railgun is now an extremely dubious undertaking.

[opus]

Quote: BlackMokona

According to American Electronics,

It's not about electronics.
I always wrote that the "wet EM" or "terrible acceleration" nafign destroy any electronics.
Here's the thing:
1.GOS (how to aim a projectile at a target?)
2. How to influence the environment (from the side of the projectile?
BLAM? aerodynamic surfaces? - but all this will lead to loss of speed and level the joys of railguns
MICRO DU (like Astaire)? :
-will not stand for sure
- weight and dimensions, a very strong restriction on the projectile.

What you refer to is not an exact translation

General Atomics Electromagnetic Systems is planning electronics to deliver micro shrapnel with compression (so-called "high explosive") action on the target.
Those. Electronics challenge: timing and capsule blasting

[opus]

Quote: opus

I always wrote that the "wet EM" or "terrible acceleration" nafign destroy any electronics.

RIGHT TO READ- WRITTEN THAT "**" THIS IS BAD

[m-arsenich]

[quote = Summer] ... The heap is mixed: kilometers per second, ..., kilometers per hour ...
Oh! I’ll add my own fly in the ointment: today on the First channel at 14.00 the speed of the Mig-35 was indicated at 3500 km / h, and at 15.00 the commentator had already “corrected” and indicated a speed of 2500 km / s ... I would kill a reptile!

[dubowitskij.vick]

Quote: KAV

Quote: siberalt

Let them show the battery for this gun

Have reactors already been canceled?
PS Do you happen to have worked in your woodworking industry all your life?

What reactors? Precisely from woodworking. If atomic, then sit in educational program and read at least popular literature. Nothing is slower than an atomic reactor. He cannot, technically quickly give energy, and even more cannot turn off the generation. So, to dream that with its help you will charge the capacitor bank to fire this iron, be a complete layman.
Further. Did you hold anything more long-range device in your hands than a slingshot? Have you tried to shoot, for example, at a distance of 300 meters from Kalash? Got it? And at a distance of 3 kilometers from a super sniper rifle? Got it? Fool was told that a shot of 160 kilometers is possible. ... But he does not know that the line of the visible horizon on the water is 20 kilometers. Explain, delighted with these "achievements", dear comrade, how to get at such a distance with a shell that does not have explosives and homing systems?

[dubowitskij.vick]

Quote: opus

Quote: BlackMokona

According to American Electronics,

It's not about electronics.
I always wrote that the "wet EM" or "terrible acceleration" nafign destroy any electronics.
.....

This is half the trouble. The trouble is how to ensure the stability of mechanics, rudders, optics and the whole gadget from such cruel acceleration? Hypersonic speed near the surface of the Earth ..... Thousand-degree heating of the hull .... Burning out of the shape of an ideally-fulfilled shell during the flight and, inevitable, curvature of the flight path.
Perhaps Baron Munchausen was simply a nonsense and a simpleton with his flights at the core against these superbarons ...

[Mentat]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Quote: siberalt

Let them show the battery to this gun, which breaks through concrete walls. A dead end to cut and nothing more.

Oleg ! Yes there and in addition to batteries of unresolved problems - the sea is spilled! So I support - cut!

This is a reminder that developments in advanced areas are also underway in Russia. Gauss guns will become relevant in 20-30 years.
And the last word is already so obscene to give the supposedly significant value to the messages that it already causes a sore point, especially when it has nothing to do with reality.

[Mentat]

Quote: dubowitskij.vick

Fool was told that a shot of 160 kilometers is possible. ... But he does not know that the line of the visible horizon on the water is 20 kilometers. Explain, delighted with these "achievements", dear comrade, how to get at such a distance with a shell that does not have explosives and homing systems?

In this case, you are the fool. The note does not say about aimed shooting at such distances, it says about the energy of the projectile. However, it is planned to equip real guns based on this principle with guided munitions. For this purpose, control devices resistant to large overloads are developed.
Broaden your horizons and use less “fools” so that you yourself do not end up in a puddle.

[cat hippopotamus]

Terrible penetrating abilities and the speed of the projectile, nullify all the "bells and whistles" of armor, these cannons can shoot down satellites.