New howitzer developed in India

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According to LiveFist, the organization of defense research in India has demonstrated a new heavy 155-mm howitzer. The gun of this caliber is first developed in the country. It has already passed the developmental tests. In the summer of 2017, the howitzer is planned to be transferred to the ground forces for testing.

New howitzer developed in India




A new gun is being created with the aim of updating the existing fleet of towed artillery guns, which was acquired back in the 1960-1970-ies and is currently considerably outdated. Tenders held over the years for 30 to replace this arsenal have not been completed.
Against this background, the development of ATAGS (Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System, the latest towed artillery system) with its own forces began in 2010. It is assumed that mass production will begin in the year 2019.



The howitzer is equipped with a 52 barrel with a caliber (a little more than eight meters) and has a mass of 12 tons. The gun has the ability to conduct aimed fire vertically with an elevation angle of minus three to 70 degrees. Horizontal shelling guns can produce with an angle from minus 25 to 25 degrees. In intensive mode, a howitzer can fire at three shots per 15 seconds. At a steady pace, the rate of fire is one shot per minute. The range of fire is limited to 50 km, the maximum effective range is 40 km.

In addition to ATAGS in India, Dhanush cannon is being developed on the basis of the Swedish howitzer Bofors FH-77B, which the Indians purchased a license to produce as early as the 1980s. The Indian version of the 155-mm cannon will be different barrel-length 45 calibers instead of 39. Howitzers are tested from 2016 year. Adopt a weapon is assumed to 2020 year.
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    1. +1
      26 January 2017 05: 46
      What they created is not surprising, after all, India only did for a long time. And the range for the howitzer .... and vidoc .... Maybe it's a gun anyway? Oh yes, the corners ..
      1. +3
        26 January 2017 05: 56
        a serious application ... while there are two indisputable leaders in the quality of RM "guns" in the world, and the 9th shop of Ekat, the rest is still trying ...
        1. Arh
          +2
          26 January 2017 14: 31
          I am always happy for the Indians, I accept their success as failure !!!
      2. +4
        26 January 2017 06: 01
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        What they created is not surprising, after all, India only did for a long time. And the range for the howitzer .... and vidoc .... Maybe it's a gun anyway? Oh yes, the corners ..

        Why didn’t you like the range? Our MSTA-B has a maximum range of slightly less than 30000 m., And here it is about 50 km., Only our 7 tons weigh, and here some kind of prohibitive
        1. +1
          26 January 2017 08: 24
          here the trunk is long. and the Indians are 40km effective, and ours beat 40 km. and emnip are now working to achieve effective !!! range of 50km, as the maximum speed of 50km on the coalition emnip was achieved.
        2. +4
          26 January 2017 08: 38
          in order to minimize the mass, one must have extensive design experience, for the first sample it’s not bad
          1. 0
            26 January 2017 16: 28
            Actually not bad, the weight of the grandfather of this gun FH-77B 12 500 kg with a barrel length of 39 calibers.
      3. 0
        26 January 2017 18: 01
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        And the range for the howitzer .... and vidoc .... Maybe it's a gun anyway? Oh yes, the corners ..

        And this is the next version of the Bullevsky 45-52 caliber long barrels. According to the documents - a howitzer (since these guns occupy the niche of traditional divisional 35-39-gauge howitzers). But in fact - gun-gun-howitzer. smile
    2. +6
      26 January 2017 05: 57
      Gunners, Krishna gave the order !!!
      Bofors will open a third eye for Pakistanis.
      1. +1
        26 January 2017 06: 27
        As far as I remember, the goddess of death and destruction in India - Kali ...
        1. +3
          26 January 2017 06: 30
          On the battlefield of Kuruksetra, the victory went to those for whom Krishna gave their great inner strength. They are not shooting for the sake of death and destruction, but for the sake of victory --- a hint of this is that salute charges are laid in the trunks of selected guns ... .A Kali can offer praise and entreaties guarding, say, a nuclear repository ...
    3. +1
      26 January 2017 06: 53
      A towed gun weighing 12 tons. I would not want to go in a column with such trailers, and even with an 8 meter trunk. Judging by the rate of fire - there is still some sort of loading mechanism.
      Give wishful thinking. Could not make self-propelled. And with such dimensions of the barrel, the towed gun becomes very clumsy and heavy.
      1. 0
        26 January 2017 06: 57
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Give wishful thinking.

        What for? They do it for themselves, not for sale (for now) request
        1. +3
          26 January 2017 07: 13
          You are probably not an artilleryman. Try to deploy a 12-ton gun from a stowed position to a combat position by crew, even if only 8 people. And most importantly - to turn and get out of the firing position, when the "response" arrives in a maximum of 10 minutes? Now is not the First World War, when counter-battery battles were fought on the snapshots of shots and sound reconnaissance. The parameters of the gun in terms of range and power are intended for modern warfare. And the dimensions and weight - for the war with the Papuans, who are not able to organize a counter-battery fight.
          1. 0
            26 January 2017 08: 34
            So I was confused by the weight and dimensions, it seems that 40-60 calculation crews are attached to each howitzer. )))
            1. +3
              26 January 2017 08: 40
              they have elephants - with and with help ...
          2. 0
            26 January 2017 10: 10
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            And the dimensions and weight are for the war with the Papuans, who are not able to organize a counter-battery struggle.

            On the contrary.
            The data is for ATAGS, and it is self-propelled. Because such a weight and dimensions. But at the same time, she will leave the fire much faster than the same Msta-B, which has less weight.
            1. +1
              26 January 2017 23: 02
              Quote: Spade
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              And the dimensions and weight are for the war with the Papuans, who are not able to organize a counter-battery struggle.

              On the contrary.
              The data is for ATAGS, and it is self-propelled. Because such a weight and dimensions. But at the same time, she will leave the fire much faster than the same Msta-B, which has less weight.

              How is it? ATAGS is the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System. Maybe you had in mind the Swedish FH 77B, which the Indians also have? So it is not intended for independent change of position, but only for a small maneuver and turn on flat areas, since a gasoline engine with a capacity of about 90 l / s connected to a hydraulic pump, which in turn drives 3 hydraulic motors, barely drags this fool. Small bumps, stones or dirt immediately immobilize the howitzer. Do not mislead people
              1. 0
                27 January 2017 11: 24
                Quote: DM51
                Do not mislead people

                Here are two options for DRDO ATAGS

                On the left - created with the participation of KALYANI, on the right - with the participation of TATA
                If I “mislead people,” then what do the mustachioed uncles behind the wheel do in the first and second guns?
                40 km / h towing speed, 12 km / h speed of independent movement.
                "barely dragging this fool", to put it mildly, is not true.
                1. 0
                  27 January 2017 16: 12
                  Along the way, see the coulters in the demo, but the mustachioed uncles behind the steering wheel - no. Maybe these are different modifications?
                  1. 0
                    27 January 2017 22: 13
                    Why go somewhere while firing?
                    The steering wheel in the driver's seat in the demo is clearly visible.
                    There are really many modifications, just the 12-tonne is self-propelled.
                    Moreover, there the guidance of the gun is also carried out hydraulically in automatic mode. Which is very beneficial for rate of fire and accuracy.
                2. +1
                  27 January 2017 23: 13
                  Quote: Spade
                  Quote: DM51
                  Do not mislead people

                  Here are two options for DRDO ATAGS

                  On the left - created with the participation of KALYANI, on the right - with the participation of TATA
                  If I “mislead people,” then what do the mustachioed uncles behind the wheel do in the first and second guns?
                  40 km / h towing speed, 12 km / h speed of independent movement.
                  "barely dragging this fool", to put it mildly, is not true.

                  I apologize - indeed, the Indians probably created a howitzer like the FH 77B, but when I said: "Do not mislead people," I meant a quick change of position. I do not see a full-fledged engine compartment, which means a weak engine ~ 90l / s, or even less (taking into account the local pedigree of the engine) and weak hydraulic motors of 12 tons are only suitable for moving on flat areas over short distances, but what about overheating? - a large mass - the heat in India and the oil in the hydraulic system also need to be cooled if the loads are large, so that only without slides, stones, dirt and not far. Anyone who knows a little about technology will immediately understand this. This is unnecessary for a towed howitzer, it should be as simple and light as possible, of course without loss of performance characteristics, and the bells and whistles only add mass to it, complicate the design, not to mention the cost. If the Indians did not have the fuse to create a full-fledged self-propelled guns, then the solution - Hyacinth-S, can be on a wheeled chassis, and towing in the mountains of 7 tons or 12? As the saying goes, two big differences
                  1. 0
                    27 January 2017 23: 46
                    Quote: DM51
                    I apologize - indeed, probably the Indians created a howitzer like the FH 77B

                    Why "like"? After all, they bought a howitzer from the Swedes along with technology. It seems that ATAGS is just the complete localization of this weapon.
                    Quote: DM51
                    I don’t see a full-fledged engine compartment, which means a weak engine ~ 90l / s, or even less (taking into account the local pedigree of the engine) and weak hydraulic motors of 12 tons are only suitable for moving on flat areas over short distances, but what about overheating?

                    As I understand it, the engine just twists the pump. Which, in fact, gives energy to hydraulics, which deals with everything. From guidance and loading starting and ending with movement. And even it is hung out hydraulically.

                    High speeds from an off-road howitzer are not required (12 km / h in TTX, but the Swedish one judges by the commercials quite cheerfully), it requires a lot of torque, which the hydraulic motor can provide.

                    Self-propelled guns are a fairly adequate solution if there is a need for the cheapest possible guns. But there are also drawbacks: low towing speeds, especially on impassability, lack of transportable b / c, and so on. Therefore, in recent years they prefer "motorized" guns, and as far as I know, in India, together with the Israelis, they are working on this.
                    1. +1
                      28 January 2017 00: 39
                      As I understand it, the engine just twists the pump. Which, in fact, gives energy to hydraulics, which deals with everything. From guidance and loading starting and ending with movement. And even it is hung out hydraulically.
                      High speeds from an off-road howitzer are not required (12 km / h in TTX, but the Swedish one judges by the commercials quite cheerfully), it requires a lot of torque, which the hydraulic motor can provide.

                      It is true that the engine rotates the pump, and it drives the hydraulic motors, but the weaker the engine, the less oil it can drive through the hydraulic pump, at high loads, the fluid resistance grows in progress, also to transmit large torque it is necessary to increase the oil volume and a low-powered motor is not capable of pumping large volumes - a direct analogy with the heart - a weak or untrained heart is not able to work with increased physical exertion. Cooling the fluid in hydraulic circuits with serious work is a big problem - you need good cooling so that the oil does not boil, and this is a complete system, which of course is not here, so only on a flat surface and not far, well, for the operation of auxiliary drives

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