What about the “Russian” space? ..

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1 December 2016 of the year in Moscow 17: 52 about the Moscow time from the Baikonur cosmodrome launched a Soyuz-U launch vehicle with a Progress MS-04 cargo vehicle.

It was planned that on December 3 a cargo ship would approach the Zvezda module of the International Space Station. The truck was supposed to deliver into orbit more than two tons of cargo, including means for supporting the life of the crew members of the 50-th long-term expedition of the ISS, equipment for maintaining the station in operation.



The cargo also included the first copy of the spacesuit of the new generation Orlan-ISS for Russian cosmonauts and the greenhouse Lada-2, intended for experiments on growing a number of grain and vegetables in weightless conditions.

What about the “Russian” space? ..

Spacesuit "Orlan-ISS"


After the 382 second flight, the reception of telemetry information ceased. Established controls did not record the functioning of the ship in the estimated orbit. After 2 hours, Roscosmos was forced to admit the loss of the launch vehicle and cargo ship.



The accident occurred over the territory of the Republic of Tuva at an altitude of 190 kilometers. Most of the ship burned in the atmosphere, and several debris fell west of the city of Kyzyl.


Debris discovered in Tuva


There was a question about how much spacecraft were insured for? Did the insurance cover the accident damage? As it turned out, did not cover initially. Insurance coverage of a failed launch was 2,5 billion rubles, but the damage from the loss of a cargo ship clearly exceeds 4 billion rubles. That is at least 1,5 budget billion dog down the drain. Is not too much extravagance on the background of economic problems? This is the first. And, secondly, aren't such feints with conscious, not accidental insurance, but not accidental? .. If we consider the assumption number two, then there are doubts that the “accident” could have happened to the ship .. Does this “accident” have a specific first and last name?

The media put forward many versions of the causes of the fall of the space cargo ship, but on January 11, Roscosmos Corporation made an official announcement about the causes of the Soyuz-U launch vehicle and the Progress MS-2017 space truck. The members of the emergency commission believe that the cause was the opening of the tank “O” of the third stage of the launch vehicle as a result of the elements arising from the destruction of the engine, which most likely collapsed due to fire and further destruction of the oxidizer pump. The ignition of the oxidizer pump could have occurred if foreign particles got into the pump cavity, or there was a violation of the engine assembly technology.
The RD-0110 engine was developed by the Voronezh Design Bureau "Himavtomatika" (KBCH), and is assembled at the Voronezh Mechanical Plant.

Ivan Koptev, Director General of the Voronezh Mechanical Plant FSU, wrote a statement of his own accord and resigned on January 20 of 2017. The reason for dismissal is called “unsatisfactory performance and quality of products”.

Black stripe in stories of the Voronezh engine began 24 August 2011 year from the launch of the carrier rocket "Soyuz-U" with the cargo ship Progress M-12M on board, which in the 325 second flight in the third stage fuel system had a problem, which led to a failure in the operation of the engine with its subsequent complete shutdown. Immediately there was information that the cause of the accident could be poor-quality welding during the production of the RD-0110 engine at KBXA, but then the accident was recognized as an accident.

23 December 2011 of the year, the Soyuz-2.1b booster fell, which was to put the Meridian satellite into orbit and then the cause of the fall was engine failure.

16 May 2015, the Proton carrier rocket failed to put the Mexican satellite MexSat-1 into orbit. As a result of an emergency situation in the dense layers of the atmosphere, the rocket and the apparatus itself burned down. A month later, the head of Roscosmos, Igor Komarov, said that the cause of the incident was a constructive engine defect.

After such a series of failures, the Roskosmos leadership did not renew the contract with Voronezh KBKhA, and Vladimir Rachuk, who managed the enterprise from 1993 of the year, was dismissed from his post as general director of KBKhA.

The December accident put at risk not only the reputation of the Voronezh designers and production workers, but several projects at once. The fact is that the RD-0110 engine is regular for several products of the “Soyuz” family, and the constructors mentioned are counted on the fingers ...
13 January 2017 became aware of the replacement of the Voronezh engine in a new Soyuz-U rocket assembled in Samara, which will have to put another Progress into orbit in place of the lost one.

If we talk about statistics, for the period from 2006 to 2016, in the Russian Federation, every 17 launch of a Russian rocket with a particular spacecraft on board ends in an accident. If you look for the pros, then Russia and start-ups in recent years, carried out more. But the disadvantage is that the percentage ratio of launches and losses is not in our favor - against the background of indicators of the entire so-called “big space troika”. It would seem that if we look at the statistics of the last decade of the space programs of the USSR, then there it will be possible to see a much more blissful picture. However, the “goodness” of a little more - successful starts, according to some data, only on 2, on the other, is 5 percent higher. These are assessments, by the way, of domestic experts - so no conspiracy, as they say.

We often talk a lot about the causes of breakdowns and accidents in the space industry. And, it seems, a whole tangle of reasons emerges, among which are the corruption component, and the lack of an adequate number of qualified personnel — professional (including working) composition of industrial enterprises, obvious problems with the presence of a “young shift”, which in turn rests on problems the adequacy of the educational services provided to real state interests. In general, the tangle is great, plus its threads are pretty tangled. Unwind or just chop like that Gordian knot? ..
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  1. +1
    26 January 2017 15: 39
    The secret is simple dummies fall
    1. +1
      27 January 2017 10: 56
      Quote: 100502
      The secret is simple dummies fall

      Do you think that our people are accumulating funds for their own secret space base ?! Well, like, so that no one would notice, you need to somehow supply it. Or a global conspiracy? Like, we get the loot, we don’t do anything into space the blank that falls, we get insurance, the whole project for laundering the dough is closed.
    2. +7
      27 January 2017 15: 12
      The situation in Roskosmos is much worse than it might seem after reading this article. And the saddest thing is, all those “attempts” and reforms only exacerbate the situation, this is a huge number of “newcomers” effective from the outside - AvtoVAZ, etc. and staff reductions. Where is the solution to social problems for workers in the industry, where are the hostels? somewhere that housing that after working for a certain number of years remains in the ownership, I don’t even want to talk about education. Our company has absolutely ordinary employees (and these are Specialists for 60 years) - graduates of the Moscow Aviation Institute, Baumanki. Now no one goes with secondary education. There was the only specialized technical school in the city - in 2016 it was closed. So that you can bark all day, hold meetings, show an infinite number of layouts and projects - nothing will change, without a systematic approach with an eye to the future.
  2. +6
    26 January 2017 15: 54
    If our education remains at the same level, it will be even worse.
  3. +13
    26 January 2017 16: 03
    Where is our trampoline? It will come in handy.
  4. +17
    26 January 2017 16: 16
    Joseph Vissarionovich knew what to do with it.
  5. +12
    26 January 2017 16: 19
    And the engines delivered to the USA are probably checked not formally, and more than once. In the event of an accident there will be an international scandal and they will give a hat! In the USSR there was such a practice-abroad in the "export version", and people will pass. The director "quit" of one’s own will, "and ends in the water! And who will recover many billions of dollars in losses to the country?"
    There Rogozin has a trampoline (he wanted to give it to the Americans) - it won’t work! negative angry hi
  6. +7
    26 January 2017 16: 27
    And how many qualified personnel were lost in the 90s! And what quality of specialists in modern
    production with our fucking exam?
  7. +4
    26 January 2017 17: 27
    Space mess. Destroyed forges frames. There are no new specialists. It is not clear what remains of the tool base? Rockets on the knee with a hammer and a chisel or something to collect? Where does the foreign matter come from inside the engine? Did you accidentally drop the screwdriver? How is that control carried out? Visually and tactile? And with satellites there is also a question (especially with domestic ones): were there satellites in general? And then it already begins to seem that rockets are falling, because mock-ups are sending into space, and not multibillion-dollar satellites, which, perhaps, did not exist in nature at all. Very profitable: steal money allocated by the state for the construction of a new satellite. And an accident at launches is a great opportunity to hide theft on an especially large scale. Hope this is not so, but knowing the limitless appetites of corrupt officials of Roscosmos, I will not be surprised at deliberate accidents.
    1. +7
      26 January 2017 17: 38
      Quote: sds87
      And with satellites there is also a question (especially with domestic ones): were there satellites in general? And then it already begins to seem that rockets are falling, because mock-ups are being sent to space, not multibillion-dollar satellites, which, perhaps, did not exist in nature. Very profitable: steal money allocated by the state for the construction of a new satellite ...

      “Are you in the mind, anyway?”
      - satellite usually makes several enterprises
      - at least, on the head, or even not only, there is a Military Acceptance Department
      - not to mention the fact that the satellite has not been done for a week, and the work is controlled "from above". Step by step Yes
      - to “buy” all this lot of people (from the directors of enterprises to the last cleaning lady in the workshop), no “money for a satellite” is enough ...

      Quote: sds87
      Where does the foreign matter come from inside the engine? The screwdriver was accidentally dropped?

      Ignition of the oxidizer pump could happen if foreign particles got into the pump cavity, or there was a violation of the engine assembly technology

      - Well, naturally ... "foreign particles" - this is a screwdriver, and nothing else fool

      Quote: sds87
      ... but knowing the limitless appetites of corrupt officials of Roskosmos ...

      - where, interesting? By the way, the FSB is also interesting ...
      - share information? wink

      Yap negative
      1. +7
        26 January 2017 18: 26
        Thanks for the answer. I’ll get a bit more frightened. wassat Just for the sake of cutting dough, just what scams do not crank. I understand that any device is a joint work of many enterprises, but looking at the latest scandals in Roscosmos (and unsuccessful flights), it is already difficult for me to believe that at least some order is being followed at the enterprises of the space industry. Money is allocated, and as a result, you read about another unsuccessful launch. Only a mess and corruption can lead to a series of failures. And yes - the screwdriver in the engine is sarcasm. What kind of objects fall there - I do not know. I only observe the sad consequences with the whole world.
        1. +4
          26 January 2017 18: 52
          Quote: sds87
          And yes - a screwdriver in the engine is sarcasm

          - guilty, did not understand. My apologies...

          Quote: sds87
          Money is allocated, and as a result, you read about another unsuccessful launch ...

          - here is a picture, IMHO informative:

          Percentage of losses ("missile crashes"):
          China: 2.80%
          USA: 3.30%
          USSR: 4.38%
          RF: 5.36%

          That is, the Russian Federation is indeed “ahead of the rest”, especially the Chinese ... but the Chinese have almost half as many launches as in the Russian Federation. So, IMHO, they still have everything ahead wassat

          About the KBHM scandal:
          Quote: alexey1213
          An error occurred while getting solder in the pantry. Solders wallpaper silver but different content of poladium. Visually they can not be distinguished. They put the most expensive solder ...

          - and for some reason I believe in it
          - no "malicious intent", just a mess in the warehouse
          - it is clear that right now the journals will "twist" versions (like, carruption, mischief-making and others - they don’t have to answer for the bazaar right now, but they need to eat every day)
          - and the fact that the engines “caught” before takeoff and found who made the defect is good. And the engines will be corrected, and science will be different.

          And so - the technique is complicated, errors and accidents have always been. Including the Union. The main thing is to deal with the causes, and not the consequences raked. Now specifically - everything seems to have been done correctly.

          IMHO, naturally Yes
          1. +3
            26 January 2017 21: 56
            Cat Man Null, thanks for the statistics. Unfortunately, this statistic does not cancel the mess and theft in the space industry. Vostochny Cosmodrome is an example of this, as is the story with the Glonass satellites. Saving on workers and components for the space field is like death. By the way, what about security now at enterprises operating in the space industry? I somehow completely ruled out the possibility of sabotage. For the same Americans, it would be advantageous for a series of sabotage to undermine the confidence of countries in Russian launch vehicles.
      2. +5
        26 January 2017 18: 32
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        “Are you in the mind, anyway?”
        - satellite usually makes several enterprises
        - at least, on the head, or even not only, there is a Military Acceptance Department
        - not to mention the fact that the satellite has not been done for a week, and the work is controlled "from above". Step by step

        And all this did not stop putting on the Glonass spacecraft No. 24, 26, 27 and 28 cheap electronic components of the Industry category instead of expensive Military or Space. sad
        2 spacecraft failed in orbit. 2 more did not have time to start - and they were sent for revision.
        1. 0
          28 January 2017 19: 03
          Industry electronic components instead of expensive Military or Space


          Why are you brash so brazenly? In life, foreign components have not been used either in space or in defense. Before you fuck, ask what acceptance 5 \ 9 is. Damn, they give me warnings for the truth, and the most gobbled nonsense goes like clockwork, to applause ....
          1. +2
            29 January 2017 16: 01
            Quote: Asadullah
            Industry electronic components instead of expensive Military or Space


            Why are you brash so brazenly? In life, foreign components have not been used either in space or in defense. Before you fuck, ask what acceptance 5 \ 9 is. Damn, they give me warnings for the truth, and the most gobbled nonsense goes like clockwork, to applause ....

            Exquisite mua mon seigneur, but I honestly do not understand your comment.
            Are you a big troller or are you really sure that everything in satellites is on domestic electronics?
            If the second, then you are greatly flattered by our country. Unfortunately.
            1. +1
              29 January 2017 16: 26
              Are you a big troller or are you really sure that everything in satellites is on domestic electronics?


              Not just sure. And not electronics, but microelectronics. There were purchases of certain microcircuits, and even several criminal cases related to this, but by no means for installation on satellites, this would be generally nonsense. Civilian microcircuits generally have no chance of getting into military equipment, especially into space technology. For commercial purposes, pzhl, buy, no one forbids, especially since the price of one piece can reach 150000 greens. But if, what kind of project manager, say Vega in Zelenograd, suddenly decides to buy something in Yap or the USA ....... the music played for a short time .... there are categories into which nodes that use imported microelectronics, but only in auxiliary equipment.

              Yes, with regard to civilian products, even Malaysia is ahead of the Russian Federation not only in production, but also in development. But the fact is that the level of market saturation with civilian components is such that it makes no sense to push there, any factory barge in the South China Sea will flood the whole world with cheap crystals in a month, if necessary. Therefore, in Shenzhen, you can buy both circuits and discrete elements at a price per kg. But these are completely different products, not even black and white, but thick and green. Therefore, I say that the dog breaches ....
              1. +1
                29 January 2017 21: 04
                Here is something I can’t believe.
                I remember that there was a problem of procurement of components of the space class, because of which our glonasy do not work long.
                I doubt that we fly without other people's microcircuits.
                1. +1
                  29 January 2017 21: 27
                  I doubt that we fly without other people's microcircuits.


                  The main processors, here is a list of MOS 44.001, you can take a look. This is an official publication, but there are also stamped ones. And besides grooved, there are also products of projects, where even the names of projects are state secrets. There are no universal products of the type RAD750, because there is software, or rather, a task, a scenario for which the corresponding iron is manufactured. Yes, for the sake of truth, we bought a Cortex-M3 license, and something else, that is how domestic FPGA 5576XC4T and others appeared, the quality of which cannot be flushed down the toilet, because only test benches occupy hectares of space. I can write a lot on this topic, but laziness, and I feel sorry for the time. Resentful irresponsible lies. Okay, there, rightly, to pour a scoop of dung on the heads of our leaders from the eternal Russian bowing to the holy fool, but to invent a problem, dress it as a lie and expose it as a type, with a noble anger of truth in the eyes, I would turn my face to one side on one side ... ..
                  1. +1
                    30 January 2017 19: 00
                    Yes, it’s not a lie, but rather a common stereotype or is simply mixed up.
                    I myself will say that I also did not quite correctly imagine how it is, since we have enough problems in this area.
                    Thank you for the detailed and clear answer.
      3. 0
        27 January 2017 20: 35
        where, interesting? By the way, the FSB is also interesting ...
        - share information? wink

        Yap negative
        [i] [/ i]
        I support with both hands, do not look for some sort of conspiracy. Everything is much more banal
  8. +3
    26 January 2017 17: 28
    Hack! And not only the Gordian knot, but also the heads! And drive all sorts of Kalinowski ...
  9. +4
    26 January 2017 17: 34
    Today I watched a program about the recall of all engines produced in Voronezh for inspection on the subject of gold stolen from them and replacement of other spare parts where there are precious metals with surrogate ones ... Trite, yes ..
    Here is the link http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2847318
    1. +5
      26 January 2017 18: 33
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      replacement of other spare parts where there are precious metals for surrogate ...

      The story with the Glonass satellites is repeated, yes ...
  10. +12
    26 January 2017 17: 49
    Space is just a part of the “mirror” reflecting reality
    1. +5
      26 January 2017 18: 22
      Quote: sa-ag
      Space is just a part of the “mirror” reflecting reality

      Perhaps you can’t say better ... Sadly ...
    2. +9
      26 January 2017 22: 24
      That's it! When the loot rules the ball, when social justice is a kilometer lower than the plinth, what space will we have? When oligarchs are awarded in the Kremlin, on the other hand, they have returned to the country a bit from the stolen, what is the future of such a country with a destroyed engineering and working school, gouged by science and a defective, malicious, maliciously destroyed education.
  11. +4
    26 January 2017 18: 19
    Well, but our "effective" managers are trying their best.
  12. 0
    26 January 2017 18: 37
    An article designed for emotions. Sometimes a pile of stupidities and absurdities and outright lies
    1. +3
      26 January 2017 19: 32
      And I recall the engines inspire optimism.
      Could you try to hush up (the firing successfully passed)
      Attempts to hide assembly defects were under the USSR and there was a belief in chance and sloppiness and hostility of the generals. My father was not the last person in the Central Clinical Hospital.
      1. 0
        26 January 2017 22: 26
        Do not flatter yourself. Most likely, there were too many defects and realized that it smells like kerosene. The terrible thing is that theft has penetrated into such industries.
        1. +2
          29 January 2017 20: 33
          Most likely, there were too many defects

          Do you know something about this? Do you work at VMZ?
          Or at least in the industry?
          Or just blah blah # prosralipolymers?
  13. +1
    26 January 2017 20: 20
    Oh, nothing Rogozin wanted to sell trampolines.
  14. 0
    26 January 2017 21: 57
    What happened to space? - he falls. Macroeconomic kudrinets, with a steep transition peak Anatoly Borisovich. As Pugacheva sang, "there will still be roofing felts, there will still be roofing felts, there will still be roofing felts (chubais)? Oi-Oi-Oi Save who can.
  15. 0
    26 January 2017 22: 49
    Add my five cents. And who will guarantee that in such a cunning way they do not introduce sanctions against the SGA?
  16. +5
    27 January 2017 00: 47
    It’s not surprising if you steal like this, it’s surprising that only every 17 rocket does not reach space, and the director of the plant leaves at will! and what damage was done to the country, and how many billions, was put to the tail of the cat, of course, it’s a complicated matter, how many allies, how many nodes, but where did the precious metals sail? For this it is necessary to shoot, and not dismiss on their own! True, now it’s not 37, or even 79, then the satellites flew to Mars, the Moon, and Venus, and now, they’re only falling back to earth! No breakthroughs in the space industry can be seen, created the "Angara", spent the money, turned out to be a dead end! And they didn’t put anyone for this, the floating spaceport, and he sold it, and we all revolve around the Royal Seven, of course, he was a genius, but it's time to create something new! But as always, the leaders of this industry do not live so badly, they fill their pockets, everyone who is not too lazy builds up children, relatives and others like them, and therefore we do not move forward, but we march in place and have come to the point that we have become cabmen, we ride American astronaut tourists! We no longer dream of new frontiers, how to survive, and all right, only one promise, in such a terry year, we will fly to the moon, either with the Chinese or the Americans, if they give money!
  17. +4
    27 January 2017 08: 08
    Cadres decide everything. Literate, talented are not allowed to work put their devotees, who will not give out.
  18. +2
    28 January 2017 12: 48
    Quote: 100502
    The secret is simple dummies fall

    By the way, about dummies I heard about 5 years ago
    Quote: maxim947
    all those “attempts” and reforms only exacerbate the situation, this is a huge number of “newcomers” effective from the outside - AvtoVAZ, etc. and staff reductions

    And this too. In the most stagnant years, everything flew and did not fall. As soon as a new director arrives, he begins to change staff, to carry out reorganization. There are a lot of chants and the essence is not changed, people just start to get nervous. Then we went through training abroad ....
  19. 0
    28 January 2017 13: 12
    Quote: Silence
    and the director of the plant, leaves at his own request! and what damage was done to the country, and how many billions, was put to the tail of the cat, of course, it’s a complicated matter, how many allies, how many nodes, but where did the precious metals sail?

    A lot of emotions. Regarding the theft of precious metals is doubtful. Regarding a structural defect, too, the engine and rocket have been used for a long time. Most likely the elementary sloppiness of the performer or lack of qualifications.
    Quote: sds87
    And yes - the screwdriver in the engine is sarcasm.

    I read about Korolev here in our newspaper. An employee of our company recalls how he went to assemble the object and dropped the hammer on top. Once Korolev was there, an immediate reaction was followed by “dismiss this sloppy”
    By the way, a little more about poor-quality assembly. It’s no secret that during the war there were unsuccessful aircraft designs, and so in M. Solonin’s book “At Peacefully Sleeping Airfields” there are interesting facts about the designers and production culture. I’ll recall some of M. Kaganovich’s son-in-law there he graduated from the Institute of Light Industry and was appointed a father-in-law designer in design bureau of aircraft manufacturing. He was given one of Polikarpov's prototypes to be finalized. That is, only the screw was to be designed. The screw was designed in such a way that it clung to the ground with the blades. During the tests, the command was to dig along the axis plane ditch !!!!! Fortunately, the test pilot categorically refused to experience this miracle of engineering.
    By the way, one of the aircraft engines really found a wrench ...
  20. 0
    28 January 2017 13: 15
    Quote: Alexey RA
    instead of expensive Military or Space

    And who will sell these to you? The embargo on the supply of military components has been operating since the Cold War
  21. +2
    28 January 2017 13: 43
    Gentlemen, it seems to me that the problem is much deeper than it might seem.
    The fact is that, unlike other industries, space is in full view. In other words, the fact that missiles are falling is impossible to hide, keep silent and talk, and you can’t write anything about the machinations of the State Department. One can only guess what remains behind the scenes in other areas of production.
    If you look more broadly, the state of affairs in the country and in the industry in particular, is at least surprising. See for yourself: we live in an age of tremendous computing power, communications and telecommunications are widely available, and global network coverage is a fait accompli. Such management tools in the same USSR did not even dream of! Nevertheless, we see a monstrous degradation precisely in the field of management, at all levels and in most industries. A cognitive dissonance arises, like him: why was a nuclear bomb and all cosmonautics created with slide rules on the knee, and with computers, a network and telecommunications, sensors are screwed upside down?
    For me, the answer to the surface: the problem is in the "power vertical." If figuratively, it’s like in a tractor, there is a navigator, but the wipers do not work; there is an on-board computer, but its only function is an mp3 player with a rollicking chanson; a chrome label on the radiator, but the steering link backlash is such that it is possible to go only along a rut. Who is to blame, a tractor or a tractor driver ??? The rhetorical question, however ...
    1. 0
      28 January 2017 20: 59
      Klaus Today, 13:43 New
      ... There is a cognitive, this, like him, dissonance: why was a nuclear bomb and all cosmonautics created with slide bars on the knee, and with computers, a network and telecommunications, sensors are screwed upside down? ...

      I fully agree with your opinion, dear Klaus.
      And the example "about a tractor and a tractor driver" is quite accurately noticed.
  22. +2
    28 January 2017 17: 55
    Quote: valent45
    And how many qualified personnel were lost in the 90s! And what quality of specialists in modern
    production with our fucking exam?


    What are you all on the 90th write off. We have the current president in power for 16 years. During this time, our ancestors sent a man into space after the terrible war!

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