New targets will enhance the entertainment tank biathlon

T-72 crews from the composition of the 90th newly formed in the Chelyabinsk region tank divisions began testing new targets specifically designed for tank biathlon, the press service of the Central Military District said.

“The crews of the 90 Tank Division, formed in December last year in the Chelyabinsk Region, have begun to test new targets developed by the Ural defense specialists specifically for tank biathlon competitions. For the first time, targets are made of fabric and filled with colored gas, ”the release says.

It is noted that "the inflatable silhouette of the tank" goes out "for no longer than seven seconds, leaving a colored smoke plume visible to the naked eye." Product weight - no more than 3-x kg, you can quickly restore it right on the site. “The range of colors of material and smoke inside the targets is almost unlimited,” the press service said.

Other (training) targets are made of foam. This facilitates their transportation and repair in the field. Targets are made of several replaceable elements and withstand up to 15 hits. Places of hit are clearly visible on the painted surface.

“According to specialists of the Central Training Directorate for Combat Training, new targets compared to plywood samples that are currently in use will increase the entertainment of tank biathlon, speed up the work of judges and field teams,” the message said.

Comments

[peter-tank]

from the recently formed 90th Panzer Division in the Chelyabinsk Region

I would say, "from the composition of the revived".

[tlauicol]

targets must be movable. appear suddenly and disappear. a tank that has not hit the target three times, considered destroyed and removed from the race

[VIT101]

Correctly. It is impossible to draw analogies with ski slalom. A tank that has not hit a target must be removed from a distance. Things got to the point of absurdity: tanks that did not hit the target compete in speed, who will reach the finish faster.

[smershxnumx]

Quote: VIT101

Correctly. It is impossible to draw analogies with ski slalom. A tank that has not hit a target must be removed from a distance. Things got to the point of absurdity: tanks that did not hit the target compete in speed, who will reach the finish faster.

I don't know what the organizers have planned .... now it turns out, in other words, who will quickly leave the "battlefield", he won the "battle"? It seems to me that everything is not as simple as it seems ... It would be too easy ... IMHO.

[Letun]

Quote: smerx24

Those. now it turns out, in other words, who will quickly leave the "battlefield", he won the "battle"?

E-mine, then, according to such rules, the French will always win

[Orionvit]

Things got to the point of absurdity: tanks that did not hit the target compete in speed, who will reach the finish faster.

I advise you to re-read the name of the competition. Tank Biathlon. This is not a full-fledged exercise, but a variant of a sports game using tanks and showing elements of combat training, as well as skills in mastering military equipment. Here, entertainment is most important. And re-read the name of the whole event as a whole. Army GAMES. And combat training, the crews are engaged in planned exercises.

[Login_Off]

It’s necessary to put such an inflatable target.

[gladcu2]

Good thing, biathlon.

Entertainment can be enhanced by the correct shooting of competitions. Drones for this case should be enough

But here is the question.

And who or what is competing there?

Technology compete or people? People in the sense of tank crews.

If the technique? It turns out that the Russians are with China. If people, then on a different technique, it looks strange.

How to create uniform conditions for everyone?

What factor can be attributed to the ability of people? And what generally depends on them? And that depends on the reliability of the tanks.

In this case, we also need the right commentator, such as Ozerov. And not some throat that says nothing.

[pilot8878]

Quote: gladcu2

If people, then on a different technique, it looks strange.
How to create uniform conditions for everyone?

And in the usual biathlon, everyone has the same ski, rifle and ammunition?

[Großer feldherr]

In the ordinary everything, it means very little. Here, automatic transmission, state-of-the-art sights with an integrated computer-ballistic computer, AZ - almost everything depends on the technology.
In any race, for example, there is a strict regulation on the mass, power, rubber used.

[almost demobil]

Everyone should use their own technique. For example, we can drive on Armata , and someone T-34 for the joy will be.

[couch but smart general]

to bring this biathlon closer to maximum combat conditions .. for example, the grenade launcher wasn’t hit in 30 seconds if the tank were destroyed

[kirgiz58]

Quote: Couchy but smart general

bring this biathlon closer to maximum combat conditions

- You are too sophisticated with a nickname, lower the rank to the original sergeant and replace the adjective smart with the antonym. That's right: "to bring them as close as possible to combat conditions," but in your opinion, this is a nuclear "Armageddian". Don't be offended.

[Orionvit]

And I will answer you. This is a BIATHLON (keyword), albeit a tank one. And these are GAMES, albeit army ones. Let's disqualify in FIG for any mistake, and completely remove the scoring system. These are not exercises, this is a new kind of technical SPORT. This is what the focus is on. By what you offer

"bring it as close as possible to combat conditions"

let them practice at training grounds as part of planned (and unscheduled) exercises.

[kirgiz58]

Orionvit! Have you thought about my answer or just read it? I "protested" the erroneous expression of the sofa general. And my opinion is below, read to the end of the discussion.

[Orionvit]

kirgiz58. I deeply apologize, did not think up to the end. He flew by with a look. From now on I will be more attentive.

[nesvobodnye]

Made of fabric, inflatable? Nonsense.
A close hit in the parapet in front of the target raises a heap of earth / sand / stones, which makes it possible to falsely trigger the target during a miss. Or am I wrong?

[tlauicol]

That's right. In shooting for the prize of the Canadian army, even getting into the circuit was not defended — rebound

[PSih2097]

Quote: nesvobodnye

Made of fabric, inflatable? Nonsense.

why bring Leopards from Syria, Abrams from Iraq ...

[alstr]

I would generally suggest that the targets themselves shoot at the shooters.
Those. there is a target next to something like a paintball gun. After the nth second after the start of the mission, the tank at the position begins to fire with colored shells.
Plus shooting on the move.
In general, it’s ideal - tank paintball. Those. we take two tanks from them ammunition with shells / bullets with paint (or something else, but the main thing is that the armor does not penetrate). Next, you need to destroy the enemy tank or capture the base (something like ala WOT).
You can play immediately platoon.
This will be very spectacular on the one hand, and the other - very practical in terms of preparation on the other. After all, it is one thing to shoot just at a target without interference, and another when it can fly to you. It is very stimulating.

[grandfather_Kostya]

As a child, he arranged sea battleships in the bath firing shells from colored plasticine (a cannon-shell from a small-caliber cartridge with gunpowder).

[PSih2097]

Quote: alstr

something like ala wot

then "Tundra", even though the HP of the tank is absent in it, the destruction of the tank depends on hitting a certain part of the tank ...

[vit]

In general, it’s ideal - tank paintball. Those. we take two tanks from them ammunition with shells / bullets with paint (or something else, but the main thing is that the armor does not penetrate). Next, you need to destroy the enemy tank or capture the base (something like ala WOT).

I agree, it would be not only beautiful, but also useful. And do not spare money for these matters, and buy a couple of cars from "our partners"

[alstr]

Partner machines are for exercises. For biathlon, we need an ammunition line for the Chinese (if they can't use ours)

[raid14]

Exercises need to be brought closer to combat, including in the complex exercises the search and destruction of the calculation of anti-tank systems using COEC.

[kolkulon]

Targets should be in the form of tanks of a potential enemy.

[Thunderbolt]

And the Chinese team itself will be gouging.

[Maz]

The first ones were interesting to watch. It wasn’t staged there. And right now, something not very.

[kirgiz58]

You get used to good things quickly. And if you do it "not staged", you will not be able to watch at all. Examples: 1. To overcome the colline bridge in battle is supposed to be in lower gears, and the layout on the biathlon is overcome almost at maximum speed (after such overcoming the bridge will be in the river). 2. They enter the ford by smoothly lowering the "nose" of the car, otherwise you can stay in it (not all fords are concrete). In tank biathlon, they did not give a damn about the safety requirements of driving courses and tank shooting for the sake of entertainment. For such "deviations" from security requirements, the class is put in two ways and the commanders are deprived of everything for a long time. Tank biathlon is organized very colorfully and effectively to popularize the profession, for which I am very happy. And it is almost impossible to radically improve something in it, even simple shooting on the move. Trust me on a word.

[alstr]

By the way, about the improvements.
Can be done fast enough.
Exercise - helicopter shooting. Now, if I remember correctly, this is shooting from a machine gun at a fixed target.
Now I have a question: What does the helicopter not move at all ?. I propose to hang the target on the drone and launch it on a specific task. For example, the movement of the tank anti-aircraft maneuver. Upon reaching a certain milestone - the exercise is not completed.

[Cat man null]

Quote: alstr

I propose to hang the target on the drone and launch it on a specific task. For example, the movement of the tank anti-aircraft maneuver ...

- is that something for "such a maneuver"? Will we notice the helicopter attacking the tank?
- the helicopter on the tank "works" like this: "jumped" from behind cover, launched a rocket and hid ... and no more "maneuvers"
- As for "on a moving target from an anti-aircraft machine gun", you first try to hit a stationary one; I suggest: if the tank is moving at the same time, this is generally unrealistic, because the work of the weapon stabilizer on the NSVT ... does not apply.

That's about as

[alstr]

In any case, the helicopter is definitely not in one place.
If not in motion, then for targets raised at a certain time in different positions you can definitely do. It will at least be more realistic than the current situation.
As for the movements, I did not write anything about the movement of the tank. Here naturally, the tank shoots only from a place.
As for the movement of the helicopter, then in the 41st they also did not learn to shoot at airplanes. What happened we all remember. it's me that shooting like a dash in the war does not work.

[Cat man null]

Quote: alstr

It will at least be more realistic than the current situation.

- ultimate NSVT range for aerial targets 1.5 km
- show me the eccentric helicopter pilot who will fly so close to the tank. Attacked, yeah ...
- I mean, as an anti-aircraft machine gun NSVT is practically useless; if only by accident (a helicopter pilot is an elk, and the tank commander has nothing more to do) and with a lot of luck it’s possible to shoot someone down.

That's about as

[alstr]

Well, this is more interesting than the current version of shooting at a fixed target 800 meters from the tank.
Theoretically, then it’s better to call the target a sniper on the tower / bell tower, and not play a comedy with a helicopter. )))

[Cat man null]

By the way:

Quote: alstr

...droneless...

- pelotka - slang name of a girl, as a rule, "not burdened with moral principles"
- the headdress is called "garrison cap"
- and a UAV is a "drone", after all

[kirgiz58]

For the record! And then they already got these "abyrvalgs".

[INV]

Those. there is a target next to something like a paintball gun. After a second after the start of the assignment, we begin to fire at the tank in position with colored shells. Do you know the distance from the tank to the target? What kind of "cannon" should be that the "ball" flew to the tank about two kilometers? And if it misses and hits the judge, who is 200 meters away?

[alstr]

The gun does not have to be at the target. It’s enough that just next to the position it was and fired, i.e. created a certain unnerving factor.
In more detail you can discuss only knowing the performance characteristics of such a gun. All the nuances of this kind (where the judges should be, what kind of difference the gun will shoot, how to shoot, etc.). The main idea.

[LPD17]

90th division)))
... DAK ...

[Darth Revan]

I propose two new targets - Obama and McCain life-size puppets! And Patrashenko forgot!

[seregatara1969]

a new target according to the description the thing is good and cheap - our snipers conscripts easily hit the gearbox of the raised plywood target

[Berkut24]

I propose to bring from Iraq, Yemen and Syria ragged Abrams. I think that all biathlon participants, including the Chinese, should like these targets.

[doubovitski]

Quote: alstr

I would generally suggest that the targets themselves shoot at the shooters.
Those. there is a target next to something like a paintball gun. After the nth second after the start of the mission, the tank at the position begins to fire with colored shells.
Plus shooting on the move.
In general, it’s ideal - tank paintball. Those. we take two tanks from them ammunition with shells / bullets with paint (or something else, but the main thing is that the armor does not penetrate). Next, you need to destroy the enemy tank or capture the base (something like ala WOT).
You can play immediately platoon.
This will be very spectacular on the one hand, and the other - very practical in terms of preparation on the other. After all, it is one thing to shoot just at a target without interference, and another when it can fly to you. It is very stimulating.

Well, the idea is interesting. The bureaucracy of the "event" will disappear.

[Parsec]

"The Marshal, apologizing, once again explained that the will is yours, but the movement of equipment in this area and direction looks clearly pointless, and the pyrotechnic effects are flagrantly untrue. The director, apologizing, once again explained that the will is yours, but if you bring nature in a copy of reality, then nothing will remain on the screen of this very reality. "(c)

[Kreedjer]

This year, in theory, the Americans should be present, it will be interesting.

[Orionvit]

To attend or participate? These are slightly different things.

[doubovitski]

Quote: Kreedjer

This year, in theory, the Americans should be present, it will be interesting.

They will never come to this show. For, for them the slightest defeat will be a disaster. And winning does not decorate the hegemon.

[kunstkammer]

Quote: gladcu2

about this case, you also need the right commentator, such as Ozerov. And not some throat that says nothing.

that's for sure!

[Mikhail Polnikov]

Quote: Darth Revan

I propose two new targets - Obama and McCain life-size puppets! And Patrashenko forgot!

Rather, it is for sniper shooting from the KPVT) And then, I'm afraid if the guns are fucked, then even their life-size puppets will be able to get rid of ...))))))))

[Mikhail Polnikov]

Quote: Kreedjer

This year, in theory, the Americans should be present, it will be interesting.

As targets?

[igorra]

Psheks have only ambition and there is no honor with whom they did not conspire and whom they did not let into their country to attack us. Isn’t it time to calm down, gentlemen are gonorrhea, otherwise I’m afraid the Russian medicine will turn out to be bitter.