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Photo penalty: a symbol of courage

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These photos of the execution of our fighters by the Nazis became the key to unraveling the mystery of their death, helped to find the grave of heroes. History fresh, found the bones of the Red Army only in July. I wrote about this in "Life" - thanks to Vladimir Dmitrievich Dulich for the pictures and help. And here is my text:


"Heroes do not die!

A unique case occurred in the Arctic - on the Kola Peninsula, the search engines found the remains of two Red Army men, and the trackers brought archive images of the times of the war to them.

These thrilling photos of the execution of Soviet soldiers were taken in 1941.

The shooting took place in Russia in the nineties - the Norwegians handed historical books about the war in the Arctic to the Murmansk neighbors. According to them, the photos were obtained from a German veteran who himself witnessed the execution of Russian soldiers.

Lieutenant Colonel Dmitry Dulich, a Murmansk regional historian, tried to clarify the circumstances of the death of the soldiers depicted in the photographs. In the memoirs of the former German mountain shooters, he found a description of the execution.

“It was the end of June 1941, the Germans had just crossed the border on this sector of the front,” Dmitry Vladimirovich tells me. - At the height of 122, our fighters captured an enemy reconnaissance group and killed the Germans in their binoculars in front of the people watching them. Only one escaped, jumping into the lake from a cliff. At night, the mountain arrows stormed the height. The resistance of the Red Army was furious - in that battle, the company of the rangers under the command of Chief Lieutenant Rode lost more people than during the entire Polish campaign.

The Germans shot the surviving fighters, staging a mob before this. By order of the commander, one of the mountain shooters filmed what was happening, and the other kept a protocol. Red Army soldiers were executed because they hated the enemy, were fiercer and braver.

Judging by the memoirs and photographs, the prisoners knew that they would not be spared. But held bravely - and in the pose, and in the eye can be seen contempt for the enemy.

“The Russians understood perfectly well why they were shot,” recalled a veteran of the German mountain rifle corps. “After all this, our commander sent all the records and film to headquarters.”

Good luck

Surprisingly, the warrior remains were found after this summer, members of the military-historical reconstruction club Zapolyarny Mile, together with guests from Moscow, Novosibirsk and Kaliningrad, staged a costume battle at the height of 122. Some portrayed the Germans, others - the Red Army. Murmansk search engines Alexander Poruchikov and Nikolai Grischenko, shortly after this war game, found the remains of these two fighters under stones.

“Their bones lay at a depth of about thirty centimeters, under moss,” says Dmitry Dulich. - Everything, as it was described in the memoirs - the fighters dug their own graves right on the spot of the execution. And they found them exactly 72 years after the battle - well, how can you not believe in fate!

Search

The names of the two heroic martyrs remained unknown for more than seven decades. But the circumstances of their death impassively fixed a photographic lens. Here it is, the truth of the war - neither propaganda lies, nor false pathos.

What did our fighters feel before shooting? Surely they wanted to live, because they were so young. Perhaps the Germans would have mercy on them if the Red Army men knelt, begging to save lives. But the Russian soldiers did not want to be saved at the cost of humiliation and betrayal. Honor for them was more precious than life — that is why the Soviet Army won that war. With their bravery, the heroes executed by the enemies conquered death. She became for them not a shame - glory. These two fighters are winners because they are stronger in spirit and braver than the enemy.

Attempts to find the remains of the executed were made earlier. The height of 122 is indicated on the map; it is not very difficult to reach it. But it was precisely the military reconstruction, the game that is often considered fun, helped to orient oneself on the ground, to find the place of execution in the old picture through the landscape! The stones in the old picture became the key, they coincided at the point of execution with the silhouette of rocks visible in the photo, like puzzles in a children's game.

Under the moss layer, the bones of two soldiers, belts, fragments of clothing, a trade union ticket were found. And in the pocket of his overcoat - great luck! - among the pre-war coins lay a black penny. In such “mortal medallions”, the soldiers of the Red Army put notes with their personal data.

The inscriptions on the paper blurred, but they managed to read. It turned out that the fighter was called Sergey Makarovich Korolkov, 1912, born. He was born in the village of Khmelishche, Seryozhensky district in the Pskov region, was married. His wife's name was Ekaterina Lukinichna Korolkova, she lived in the village of Nozdrino in the same district.

Murmansk search engines managed to find in the archives more detailed information about Sergey Korolkov. He was drafted into the army of 22 on June 1941 of the year in Kirovsk, on the first day of the war. So he went to the front as a volunteer. This assumption is confirmed by the fact that he worked in the Apatit trust, a strategic enterprise where it was possible to get a reservation. The archives found his personal card. The biography of Korolkov is ordinary, like many of the peasants, the formation of three classes, since 1931 of the year he worked at the mine as a driller. Union member, had no penalties. It looks like a mining worker’s union ticket found in the grave is his too. In 1940, a daughter was born to Korolkov. Fired 23 July 1941-th year in connection with the departure of the Red Army.

The Red Army soldier Korolkov has been killed since 30 June 1941.

The searchers found the daughter of a soldier - she and her grandchildren live in the Tver region. Finally, Nina Sergeyevna finds out how and where her father died.

The identity of the second fighter has not yet been established - according to the signs on his tunic, it is clear that he was a junior commander. But search engines hope that after archival searches his name will be known.

Border

Lt. Col. Dmitry Dulich serves in the North Navy since 1996, he came here immediately after school. He is in love with the Arctic and knows the history of battles in those places not only from books. The defense line is still visible in the tundra and hills - it is marked not only with firing points, placers of shells, but also with the bones of soldiers.

The ridge of Musta-Tunturi, in the foothills of which the remains of the fighters were found, means “Black Tundra”. For the fascists, it really turned black. On these polar frontiers there are areas where the invaders for the entire Great Patriotic War could not cross the state border.

The selective parts of the Hitler mountain riflemen were stopped here in 1941 and could not break through to Murmansk. Remember the famous military song: “Farewell, rocky mountains”? It was written by the poet Nikolai Bukin in precisely these places, on the Rybachy Peninsula.

There is a holy place on the ridge of Musta-Tunturi - the height of 115,6. She has her own name - “Border A-36”.

The obelisk, made of stone, stood on a neutral strip, between the positions of the fascists and our troops. The Germans sought to destroy it, scorching from guns and mortars. And the Soviet fighters each time restored, risking their lives.

“This is how our grandfathers fought and died,” Dulich says goodbye. - Such people can not be broken!
Grigory Telnov, first published in the newspaper "Life".

Photo penalty: a symbol of courage






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  1. EvgNik
    EvgNik 22 January 2017 15: 10
    +64
    Glory to the courage of our fighters! And they knew how to fight, and perish like real soldiers.
    1. Cat
      Cat 22 January 2017 16: 26
      +19
      If I was not mistaken, the Prussian King Frederick II said, "It is not easy to kill a Russian soldier, he must be knocked down!"
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 24 January 2017 12: 03
        +15
        The Red Army was executed because they hated the enemy, were fiercer and braver.
        Judging by the memoirs and photographs, the prisoners knew that they would not be spared. But held bravely - and in the pose, and in the eye can be seen contempt for the enemy.


        So what is there about Bilzho and Nevzorov about our grandfathers, Komsomol members and the pioneers of the tryndi?
        I can’t stand this liberalistic mold on the spirit.
        A blessed memory to those who died, who died of wounds after the war, to all who survived.
        What results in unconsciousness we see on the example of Bandera and geyropa.
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 23 January 2017 22: 34
      +20
      “This is how our grandfathers fought and died,” Dulich says goodbye. - Such people can not be broken!

      This should be shown on central TV channels in rating time, and not "You won't believe" and "Let them talk" about the life of the scandalous, look at the murky stars and their stars, as well as their animals!
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 24 January 2017 12: 05
        +12
        This should be shown on central TV channels in rating time, and not "You won't believe" and "Let them talk" about the life of the scandalous, look at the murky stars and their stars, as well as their animals!

        What results in unconsciousness we see on the example of geyropa and Bandera. The history of the Second World War should be taught in schools and institutes as a separate subject using similar examples.
      2. Dinko
        Dinko April 1 2017 03: 42
        +2
        The plot about these two fighters was a couple of years ago on television. Unfortunately, now they really talk more about all kinds of nonsense
    3. Pravodel
      Pravodel 3 May 2017 15: 35
      +4
      Good memory to the heroes. God rest their souls, may they lie in peace and return to earth in the affairs of children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren ...
  2. svp67
    svp67 22 January 2017 15: 11
    +61
    I read this article and previously and very carefully examined the photo. My conclusion is that our ancestors died UNCONTINUED. They were able to kill, but could not win. HEROES !!!
    1. auditor
      auditor 26 January 2017 11: 17
      +5
      Just now I am reading the book "June 22 - May 9. The Great Patriotic War" and drew attention to this photo with independent, fearless poses of fighters being shot.
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 22 January 2017 15: 20
    +31
    Even after being shot by enemies, they won ..
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 22 January 2017 17: 22
      +33
      "If love for the Motherland is kept in our hearts, and will be kept there while they fight, then we carry hatred of our enemies on the tips of our bayonets." (M. Sholokhov).
  4. Stas57
    Stas57 22 January 2017 15: 41
    +30
    now 3 years have passed.
    fought the whole world, and then searched the whole world.

    the whole list of seekers is huge -I would like to express special thanks
    Vaiginu P.
    Dulich D.
    Repkin M.
    VIC "Zapolyarny Border"
    O. Pogoretskaya (Nickel) n / a "Omega"
    to all participants of the Titov Route project
    Administration of Apatity
    Alekhin O.
    Kharchenko M.
    to the forum participants of the MFC "Blockhouse"
    participants of the forum P / O "Trizna" ("Gore", "Leshy", "Karel & qu
    ot;)
    and many others who somehow helped in the search and identification of the dead soldiers.

    We also express our deep gratitude to Sergey Safronov, who published this amazing story and photos of 1941 and 2013 years on Vkontakte, as well as to the person to whom Sergey Safronov himself thanks - Alexander Poruchikov !!!
  5. Monarchist
    Monarchist 22 January 2017 15: 41
    +13
    This find was mentioned on TV in passing.
    We still know little about the Second World War: the border sign A36, as a child I read something and that's it. And the defenders of the Pashkovsky crossing of 1942 in Krasnodar still know little about them.
    Somehow it turned out that in the sixties and early seventies some interesting facts flashed, and then there were no publications about them. I often talked with front-line soldiers as a child, but I am forgotten and thanks to the site it makes me remember.
    1. Warrior with machine gun
      Warrior with machine gun 23 January 2017 11: 52
      +9
      that’s exactly what happened on TV casually, but it should have been trumpeting all the channels so that the living would never forget what kind of people were then lost and how they left, so that the current ones would calmly look into the clear sky of their country!
  6. tiaman.76
    tiaman.76 22 January 2017 16: 47
    +12
    what can I say .. you can only be proud of our soldiers .. even in the face of death they retained courage and even contempt for the enemy. It is striking that, being unarmed surrounded by enemies, he even spits the Germans in the face, expresses complete indifference to his inevitable death .. as if he knows for earlier that all this will end with the capture of Berlin and his death is not in vain
  7. IrbisRus
    IrbisRus 22 January 2017 17: 11
    +22
    Very strong photo. Fighter's pose before the enemy speaks only of his contempt for them. a rebellious spirit is felt.
    1. Duisenbay Bankankulov
      Duisenbay Bankankulov 22 January 2017 17: 20
      +17
      Unfortunately patriotism is not in fashion now !!! Now as much as possible to cut the dough, brought the country to dibelism ...
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 24 January 2017 07: 42
        +2
        Duisenbay Sbankulov agree with you! Why be surprised after the installation of the Mannerheim board, the monument to Krasnov, where statesmen were present!
  8. midshipman
    midshipman 22 January 2017 17: 46
    +19
    Thanks to Gregory for the article. Due to the nature of my work, I had to spend a lot of time in the North. I wrote an article in VO "First Attack". An article about Twice Hero of the Soviet Union A.O. Shabalina, my good friend. He often told us about sending reconnaissance groups to the rear of the Nazis and taking them off the coast after completing the assignment. They were Heroes. It is not for nothing that the Nazis could not even cross our State border in the North. The above photos are touching. My father was killed on December 27, 1941 on the Leningrad front. Thanks to his colleagues, they buried my father, Major, even in a separate grave. There is an opportunity to come to him and tell him about our life. I have the honor.
  9. moskowit
    moskowit 22 January 2017 18: 29
    +18
    "Your name is unknown, your feat is immortal!"

    This material was first posted on the "Soldat.ru" website on July 19, 2013. The name of one of the Heroes was determined. The essay is more informative than the one presented here and is accompanied by a large number of photographs. I highly recommend it to interested colleagues.

    "The last defenders of the height 122. Thin, thin thread. It cannot be thinner. And therefore - Vivat to our Peasants! Both the dead and the alive!"

    July 19 2013 city

    The whole story is described by the author of the event here in the topic "The Last Defenders of Hill 122".

    And here is the address. "http://www.soldat.ru/news/953.html" ...
    .
  10. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 22 January 2017 18: 34
    +18
    Well, where is that nemchura that in the pictures? Those in revenge for heroism and supreme dignity over them shot our soldiers. This is true jackals who rotted in the expanses of our country, having eaten our countrymen in full. There is no trace of memory from this fascist scum, except this photo confirming their war crimes! Glory and eternal memory to the Russian soldier who defended holy Russia from the black adversary!
  11. Polkanov
    Polkanov 22 January 2017 18: 53
    +8
    ... eternal memory to the heroes. The Kingdom of heaven. They would die if they did not die. Themistocles said ...
  12. Polkanov
    Polkanov 22 January 2017 18: 54
    +11
    ... thanks to the search engines! Honor and praise ...
    .
  13. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 22 January 2017 19: 01
    +9
    Eternal memory to the fallen soldiers! And how many of them are still missing? The authorities sometimes simply keep silent about the problems of the remains of soldiers who have been gathering dust for months in sacks somewhere in the garages of the local administration or the military registration and enlistment office, waiting in the wings to be buried on the eve of the next holiday. more than years, have to wait for their "turn" for burial?
  14. Oldenburg
    Oldenburg 22 January 2017 19: 17
    +2
    According to the agreement of the Soviet and German command, the soldiers of the Red Army, were not supposed to kill a reconnaissance group of Germans, but were shot. After this, of course, it was necessary not to sleep, but to feed the Germans in full readiness. It is clear that the answer will come. But the soldiers relaxed and were punished.
    1. vitalm
      vitalm 22 January 2017 19: 46
      +8
      Precisely, we agreed on June 21st, and on June 22nd "lightning" began. What are you talking about!?
    2. Glory60
      Glory60 22 January 2017 20: 03
      +3
      The war has already begun, what are such agreements?
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 22 January 2017 20: 07
      +4
      tell about
      "the stipulations of the Soviet and German command, the soldiers of the Red Army, were not supposed to kill the reconnaissance group of Germans, but they were shot.
      1. Glory60
        Glory60 23 January 2017 07: 13
        +5
        Well, if it’s about agreements, then Germany should not have attacked the USSR at all.
        1. Oldenburg
          Oldenburg 23 January 2017 08: 49
          0
          Germany did not attack, it entered its mandated territory, according to the Molotov-Ribentropp agreement.
    4. Djuma-13
      Djuma-13 22 January 2017 20: 47
      +11
      Always in the subject of the Great Patriotic War there are a couple of freaks from the liberal wing who go to spell words (often incoherent). I would like to write a lot about such people, but censorship will not miss .... I hope you will answer sooner or later for your way of thinking!
      1. Oldenburg
        Oldenburg 23 January 2017 03: 05
        0
        The difference is that you look like an area patriot and think with global stereotypes. Stereotypes are good, enough for the homeland. If this is enough for you and you think that you understand the Second World War, please, who is against it. But if you want to understand life situations, what and how, then stereotypes will not help you and will interfere. It’s easy to live with stereotyped thinking. I’ve learned a couple of three stereotypes and you are already considered a smart interlocutor. But when they are asked specifically why it happened, hysteria begins. Breaking stereotypes is a painful process. Now I I’m already getting to the answer why the Sov Army was defeated in the 41st year, I’m studying a lot of material. An interesting process. And it’s boring to sit with a couple of three stereotypes in your head.
        1. perm23
          perm23 23 January 2017 06: 42
          +7
          Sitting on the couch. another anika warrior understands something. And the fact that he sits on the couch only thanks to such dead guys. he was not given to understand.
          1. Oldenburg
            Oldenburg 23 January 2017 08: 47
            0
            These guys died, sweat that lounged, Another thing is that they are real Heroes, did not break at gunpoint. True, no one tortured them.
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 23 January 2017 09: 54
              +5
              that lounged
              and in 44-45g ours were captured. War.
              Near Palmyra, six months ago, he blew himself up with a grenade so as not to be captured. The superiority of the Russian Federation is complete ... but not at this point in the desert.
              If you do not find and publish by agreement "not to shoot" - what should I call you?
        2. Squelcher
          Squelcher 24 January 2017 11: 59
          +4
          The Wehrmacht started the war, in the best conditions for itself (mobilized, prepared, well-developed logistics, staffing, IT.p) and lost. Better analyze this ....... I’m just amazed how liberal people can admire German losers and moral freaks.
        3. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 24 January 2017 14: 41
          +4
          Quote: Oldenburg
          Now I come to the answer why the Sov Army was defeated in the 41st year

          Oh oh oh !
          Merry Christmas ...
          Oh...
          Sorry ....
          Right now we will be told a secret secret, hitherto unknown ....
          Watch out for Rezun! Tremble corned beef, druggists and bechans.
          Right now you will be enlightened!
          laughing
          Quote: Oldenburg
          I study a lot of material. An interesting process.

          Yes, this can not be!
          Materials on this topic do not exist. Bloody gebnya classified and destroyed everything.
          wassat
    5. uragan114
      uragan114 22 January 2017 21: 37
      +4
      Quote: Oldenburg
      According to the agreement of the Soviet and German command, the soldiers of the Red Army, were not supposed to kill a reconnaissance group of Germans, but were shot. After this, of course, it was necessary not to sleep, but to feed the Germans in full readiness. It is clear that the answer will come. But the soldiers relaxed and were punished.


      Do you have jelly in your head ??
      1. Oldenburg
        Oldenburg 23 January 2017 03: 06
        0
        I advise you not to study materials about the War. Sit with your few stereotypes and live in peace.
        1. kimvladimiril
          kimvladimiril 23 January 2017 09: 22
          +3
          And how, did this mandate territory extend from the southern borders to the northern ones? Almost to Moscow? Oh well.
          1. Oldenburg
            Oldenburg 23 January 2017 09: 43
            0
            this is not the only mystery of that war. The closer to Moscow and Leningrad, the more mysteries. 32 city-forming factories worked in Leningrad during the war. Moreover, Hitler’s prohibition to bomb Leningrad. The Germans would easily razed the city to the ground. Weak obscure air defense of the city .
            Unclear withdrawal of tanks away from Moscow. There are many riddles.
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 23 January 2017 10: 00
              +1
              according to the riddle - there are many of them. one of them Rzhevsky ledge hollowed 1,5 years and to nothing. One version ---- to hold down forces, donated 1 million for nothing.
              Total war, including the weakness of the air defense in a specific place, the withdrawal of tanks (but you need to see the engine resource, have a strategic reserve, those scouts: "it is impossible to overcome the anti-tank defense")
            2. Parsec
              Parsec 23 January 2017 10: 47
              +10
              Quote: Oldenburg
              In Leningrad, during the war, 32 city-forming factories worked.

              The city-forming plant may form a town of regional subordination. Leningrad is the former capital of the empire and 20 percent of the military-industrial complex. Do not blather words.
              Quote: Oldenburg
              . At the same time, Hitler’s ban on bombing Leningrad.

              In which brasserie did you get this amazing knowledge?
              "... the instruction of Hitler, set out in the directive of the Wehrmacht High Command (OKW) No. 35 of September 6, 1941:" ... first of all, it is necessary to strive for the complete encirclement of Leningrad, at least from the east, and if allowed weather conditions, conduct a major air offensive on it. "
              On September 19, enemy aircraft carried out six raids on the city. 276 bombers, breaking through to Leningrad, dropped 528 HE and more than 1330 incendiary bombs on the heads of civilians.

              On September 27, during three massive raids to Leningrad, up to 200 enemy aircraft broke through.
              If in September 1941 the enemy aircraft carried out 23 air raids, more than half of them being night raids, then in October - 38 air raids. Over 800 high-explosive and about 43 thousand incendiary bombs were dropped on city blocks.
              The Act of the city commission for the establishment and investigation of the atrocities of the Nazi invaders and their accomplices about the damage caused to Leningrad by the war and the blockade states:
              “Violating all international regulations, the Nazis brought down on the civilian population of the city - on women, children and the elderly - HE, fragmentation and incendiary bombs, artillery shells that hit German batteries on houses, streets, squares and squares. The Nazi invaders dropped 107158 HE and incendiary bombs on Leningrad
              Quote: Oldenburg
              . Weak incomprehensible air defense of the city.

              2 air defense case - 1000 guns 76 and 85 mm, not counting the 37 mm and anti-aircraft machine guns; 7 fighter aviation corps, 800 fighters, and the first radar stations.

              Quote: Oldenburg
              Incomprehensible withdrawal of tanks away from Moscow.

              It is incomprehensible to you because you do not know anything.
              You are crazy, the keyword is crazy, cheeky person. With such a level get out into the discussion ... although the lower the intelligence, the lower the thresholds.
              1. Oldenburg
                Oldenburg 23 January 2017 11: 18
                0
                So I need you, you know the answers to all the questions for sure. For which, on the very eve of the war, an order came to drain the fuel from the aircraft, and the entire BC was withdrawn. Why was this done? Sense? Don’t write that you were afraid of provocations.
                In Germany. Snorhel was invented in 1916, but advanced Germany did not use it. They began to set only after the Allies knocked out the main submarine fleet using radars. Sense?
                And such moments in Germany were on all topics, aviation, shooting.
                Germany had enough power to produce 300 submarines, but more than 1000 were produced, who produced these boats?
                Across the USSR, the armies were surrounded and ineptly perished, although it was possible to saddle the strategic road and interrupt the supply of the Wehrmacht.
                Those times cause a lot of questions, which are answered with great difficulty.
                The number of dropped bombs you are writing about would be enough to level the city to the ground, but all are at home.
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 23 January 2017 13: 32
                  +5
                  missing person. born ... you know who.
                  We have winter now (I don’t know where you live). left the house and instead of 27 minutes you go 34 minutes (to the store, cinema), maybe the snow is under your feet, -20% of the time difference. That's all conspiracy thesis.
                  The cleverest person, by submarines, does not know about Denmark, the French shipyards, Poland (just cut blanks to supply) —I am not special in shipbuilding.
                  But rationalization, improvement of those processes? and so in everything
                  How to do push-ups (from the floor on your hands) through "I can't" know?
                2. Nagaibak
                  Nagaibak 23 January 2017 20: 40
                  +3
                  Oldenburg "Germany had enough power to produce 300 submarines, but more than 1000 were produced, who produced these boats?"
                  Definitely they were aliens.)))
                  Oldenburg "Throughout the USSR, the Armies were surrounded and dying ineptly, although it was possible to straddle the strategic road and interrupt the supply of the Wehrmacht."
                  There it is. The road had to be saddled and the thing in the hat. And here we are racking our brains how so?))) And what road did you have to ride? Is there any area at all?))) Ah yes, a strategic road. Right And that the Germans were advancing along this same road?)))
                  Oldenburg "The snorkel was invented in 1916, but advanced Germany did not use it. They began to install only after the Allies knocked out the main submarine fleet using radar. Sense?"
                  Speak underwater radars?))) Well, well ....))) I met a lot of people carrying snowstorms, but you are unique in this matter.)))
              2. Nagaibak
                Nagaibak 23 January 2017 20: 46
                +3
                Parsec "You don't understand, because you don't know anything.
                You are insane, the key word is insane, impudent person. With this level, get out into the discussion ... although the lower the intelligence, the lower the thresholds. "
                My signature on your every word !!!)))) Uhhhha-ha))) I haven’t had such fun for a long time. Although it is necessary to cry.))) He probably doesn’t even know that the chronicles are in bulk, I’m silent about books and documents. I would have sat open the mysteries of the history of the Second World War and watched the chronicles ... you don’t have to look and remember the mind.)))
            3. Djuma-13
              Djuma-13 23 January 2017 11: 22
              +5
              I advise you not to study materials about the war.

              It is ingeniously written, the main thing is not the spelling, but the amount of nasty stuff. This I do not advise you on Rezun to study the Second World War and to fight hard with their "liberal values".
            4. Warrior with machine gun
              Warrior with machine gun 23 January 2017 12: 07
              +9
              it is strange that for you working with documentary materials, the withdrawal of tanks towards Moscow is incomprehensible, but everything is much simpler, they lost a lot of tanks from September to November, they did not have enough for the Typhoon, therefore the German headquarters warned von Leeb that you will not take Leningrad until a certain date, then you will decide the issue without tank units, that's all the misunderstandings, And about the air defense after September 1941, it is not correct to say about its weakness.
              1. antivirus
                antivirus 23 January 2017 13: 38
                +2
                you break your brains to explain to Him, does not believe. You can stop the movement along the railway (sabotage) and then you have to pull out the tanks from other directions. "with the world on a string to a beggar shirt" and a thousand other reasons. In addition to conspiracy theories. (Even bad diesel fuel or filters - screwed up piston) a lot of interesting things in life.
                But apparently, this stage of growing up is
                1. Warrior with machine gun
                  Warrior with machine gun 23 January 2017 14: 04
                  +7
                  and from there it’s just more phonetic conspiracy than actual knowledge, but in a different way, I recently went to the bookstore, and there are a whole regiment of Rezunov’s opuses, and there are 2-3 books from a couple of sensible authors, well, we know who this Suvorov-rezun is, and who doesn’t know what to do, because the reptile writes recklessly and lies, though in the last five years I personally managed to save ten people from this infection.
            5. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak 23 January 2017 20: 33
              0
              Oldenburg "an incomprehensible withdrawal of tanks from Moscow. There are many mysteries."
              Hehehehe ... reminiscent of the significance of researchers of the tarataria history. What did you get to the Great Patriotic War?))) Regarding Hitler’s ban on bombing Leningrad .... hmm ... tell me, have you learned to read for a long time? And then your post shows that the fourth grader makes scientific discoveries out of the blue.)))
            6. tomket
              tomket 24 January 2017 00: 12
              +3
              Quote: Oldenburg
              this is not the only mystery of that war. The closer to Moscow and Leningrad, the more mysteries

              Oh-eeeeee !!!!! Orderlies! Here it’s bad for a man !!!
              Quote: Oldenburg
              At the same time, Hitler’s ban on bombing Leningrad.

              Well, as if Hitler could not bomb Moscow and Leningrad at the same time, still the Luftwaffe would not be quantitatively so ...
              Quote: Oldenburg
              The Germans would easily razed the city to the ground

              Surely. Yes, they would have easily reached the Urals if they wanted to)))
              Quote: Oldenburg
              Inexplicable withdrawal of tanks away from Moscow

              And what is incomprehensible to you in strengthening the mood for Moscow? Or do you think Moscow is a city a little more important than Uryupinsk?
            7. Vitalson
              Vitalson 24 January 2017 16: 21
              +3
              You still say that the good uncle Mannerheim, too, out of great love for Leningrad and its inhabitants, this same Leningrad did not fire ... (in fact, he simply could not get to it, otherwise it would help the fascist scum to reduce the number of inhabitants and buildings in Leningrad). Your comments are very similar to those of Kostya Andreev. You didn’t sit at the same desk at the Abwehr Estonian school for an hour?
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 23 January 2017 09: 49
          +1
          tell about
          "the agreements of the Soviet and German command, the soldiers of the Red Army, were not supposed to kill the reconnaissance group of Germans, but they shot them. I ask again.
          there are documents or links to oral, handshaking and "honest Teutonic" and ...
          1. Oldenburg
            Oldenburg 23 January 2017 11: 28
            0
            There can be no documents on this issue. Only a comprehensive analysis of all the inconsistencies of that time can at least open something up. The hostility of the generals and the conspiracy of generals against Stalin do not explain everything. A more complete picture, according to a very competent grandfather Andrei Kuptsov (You will find on yu tube), there was a conspiracy of German generals with the Soviet and against Stalin and Hitler. Explains a huge number of prisoners. Apparently the fighters considered the Germans to be their own. There were areas where the Germans lodged as allies. The story raises more questions. They don’t tell us exactly what lands Germany went to as a result of the Agreement Study the topic of good luck to you.
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 23 January 2017 13: 42
              +3
              where not to shoot a reconnaissance group?
              The geometer (estimate ... to the nose) is good, and when you study this question? write.
              We will put a monument to you at the place of Zhukov at the Historical Museum.
              It’s sad, the guy is looking at the white light, I want to see pink or green, ..
            2. tomket
              tomket 24 January 2017 00: 15
              +3
              Quote: Oldenburg
              A more complete picture, according to a very competent grandfather Andrei Kuptsov

              I trust Grandfather Panas more)))
              Quote: Oldenburg
              there was a conspiracy of German generals with the Soviet

              And before that, apparently the German generals conspired with the French, against Hitler and Deladier))) And before that, with the Polish, Belgian, English and so on))))
              Quote: Oldenburg
              Apparently the fighters considered the Germans to be theirs.

              What mushrooms do you consume?
    6. Witness 45
      Witness 45 28 January 2017 19: 22
      +1
      Bullshit. it is impossible to find other words for such a comment! According to the agreement between Germany and the USSR, the first one was not supposed to attack at all, but she did it treacherously, having previously dumped a whole bunch of misinformation in order to hide preparations for the treacherous attack. This is a real historical fact, all the rest is just verbiage to justify this treacherous attack, and our fighters are real heroes who have completely fulfilled their military duty, until the last minute of their lives have shown courage and contempt for the enemy and death, Eternal memory to them.
  15. antivirus
    antivirus 22 January 2017 20: 06
    +4
    the soldiers themselves dug their graves right at the place of execution. And they found them exactly 72 years after that battle - how can one not believe in fate!
    He probably made his first steps along the stubble barefoot. Then bast shoes?
    and lived without an iPad.
  16. samarin1969
    samarin1969 22 January 2017 21: 09
    +3
    Eternal memory and an example to posterity!
    ps The Germans fixing the shooting in the photo hardly thought of a future reckoning. If the World has not yet completely decayed, then there should be severe retaliation for the Donbass.
    1. Lyton
      Lyton 27 January 2017 08: 41
      +1
      Quote: samarin1969
      Eternal memory and an example to posterity!
      ps The Germans fixing the shooting in the photo hardly thought of a future reckoning. If the World has not yet completely decayed, then there should be severe retaliation for the Donbass.
  17. burigaz2010
    burigaz2010 22 January 2017 21: 27
    +6
    That’s the answer to the liberals how they won this war! Why isn’t there them on this forum thread! And our Israeli companions! FOR MEN Eternal GLORY !!! I wouldn’t be able to! And the guys who are engaged in excavation can only mentally help! Well done!
  18. Vlad Morozov
    Vlad Morozov 22 January 2017 22: 38
    +7
    These are the sons of our country! Earth rest in peace and eternal glory! I am proud of our Heroes!
  19. Smirnov
    Smirnov 23 January 2017 15: 28
    +4
    [quote = Oldenburg In Leningrad, during the war, 32 city-forming factories were operating. Moreover, Hitler’s prohibition to bomb Leningrad. The Germans would easily razed the city to the ground. [/ Quote]
    Parsec wrote very well about the "ban" from bombing Leningrad.
    I’ll add something else.
    In the book of the Chief Marshal of Aviation A. Golovanov "Long-range bomber" is an article by the writer Nikolayev Tikhonov "Payback" written in 1943. This article tells about the next crime of the Nazis, who in broad daylight staged artillery shelling of the central part of the besieged city. Many women and children were killed in the streets. All around was blood and disfigured corpses and many wounded. Despite the shelling and the outbreak of fires, the girls from the air defense, nurses and policemen, clenching their fists, carried away the wounded, silently loaded the dead into trucks. A few hours later, the streets were cleaned and cleaned, trams drove again, as if nothing had happened. But the crime remained a crime - it required punishment.
    And the punishment came faster than the Germans thought - retaliation was already in the air.
    One night over the positions of the German heavy artillery firing at the city, lighting lamps hung and the roar of hundreds of heavy engines blocked the knock of anti-aircraft guns. It was a raid of powerful bombers.
    If the Germans had searched Leningrad airfields, they would not have found these aircraft. They, as in legend, came from the underground and acted like judges, like avengers.
    Everything that was hidden in the area flew into the air. Positions, guns, warehouses, dugouts with the Nazis - all ceased to exist. And the survivors climbed out of the ruins, walked without remembering themselves from fear and thought that this punishment that had fallen on them was exhausted at a time. They were mistaken ... On a new night, everything repeated again and looked like a volcanic eruption.
    And ominous silence met the morning where the Fritzes were hiding, vilely striking at Leningrad, the morning was shining, and not a single gun shot at the city.
    So the crime was punished by the court of the Soviet people and Soviet weapons.

    The Supreme Commander ordered Golovanov to punish the criminals and hundreds of long-range aviation ships from different airfields, gathered in a fist for two nights, arranged a "Martian" landscape on German positions.
    So Oldenburg, I can be with you and agree that Hitler ordered not to bomb and not to fire at Leningrad. He knew what punishment would be for it. Our long-range aviation throughout the war (from the summer of 1941) bombed Berlin and many German cities. Mostly true military facilities, but when it was necessary to bring Hitler to their senses, they could switch to residential quarters.
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 25 January 2017 16: 07
      +1
      What is it, Komsomol agitation?
  20. Barguzin
    Barguzin 23 January 2017 20: 16
    +4
    Glory and low bow to the Heroes!
  21. Igor K-grad
    Igor K-grad 24 January 2017 02: 29
    +3
    1941 was a very difficult year. I remember my father’s stories about how in their village near Tula, after the Germans were driven away, he helped our soldiers dig 19 soldiers who were killed in an attempt to repel a tank attack by the Nazis who went behind the tanks and stabbed with bayonets all the wounded and shell-shocked Red Army soldiers (there was such an order from the bastard and the bloody scum of Guderian).
  22. Menke
    Menke 24 January 2017 10: 06
    +3
    "And even if we are few, but no one will falter
    Though the mouths of death look into our eyes
    Soviet soldiers - that means
    That even the dead will not defeat us! "
    (words from a song)
  23. Vitalson
    Vitalson 24 January 2017 16: 07
    +1
    Quote: Smirnov
    This article describes the next crime of the Nazis, who in broad daylight staged artillery shelling of the central part of the besieged city. Killed a lot of women and children caught in the streets.

    Well, the punishers in the Donbass are not far behind them.
  24. Vitalson
    Vitalson 24 January 2017 16: 13
    +1
    Quote: Smirnov
    Everything that was hidden in the area flew into the air. Positions, guns, warehouses, dugouts with the Nazis - all ceased to exist. And the survivors climbed out of the ruins, walked without remembering themselves from fear and thought that this punishment that had fallen on them was exhausted at a time. They were mistaken ... On a new night, everything repeated again and looked like a volcanic eruption.

    It is a pity that they did not do this with the Nazi scum before they fired on Leningrad.
  25. Vitalson
    Vitalson 24 January 2017 16: 15
    +2
    Quote: Oldenburg
    . At the same time, Hitler’s ban on bombing Leningrad.

    You dear less fond of scribblers such as Vitya Suvorov, and Pul Karel
  26. apricot_45
    apricot_45 26 January 2017 10: 22
    +1
    We won that war, but it won’t end until the last soldier is buried!
  27. kvs207
    kvs207 26 January 2017 11: 51
    0
    Quote: svp67
    I read this article before

    So do I.
    http://www.soldat.ru/news/953.html
  28. fcsm1960
    fcsm1960 26 January 2017 21: 45
    +1
    Eternal memory to the Heroes!
  29. trenkkvaz
    trenkkvaz 27 January 2017 15: 07
    0
    I don’t understand why the author makes stupid conclusions based on his own words?
    Quote "at an altitude of 122, our soldiers captured the enemy reconnaissance group and killed the Germans in front of those who watched it with binoculars"
    That is, ours killed captured Germans.
    And when the Germans also killed our prisoners for this, the author came up with another motive: "The Red Army was executed because they hated the enemy, were more furious and braver."
    In fact, they were executed for the fact that they themselves executed prisoners before that!
    1. ship
      ship 28 January 2017 13: 05
      0
      If the Germans believed that prisoners should not be killed, then why did they shoot the captured Soviet soldiers? For people like you, the author explained that "the Red Army was executed because they hated the enemy, were more violent and braver," for the Nazis their prisoners should not be shot, but Soviet ones.
      1. trenkkvaz
        trenkkvaz 28 January 2017 13: 20
        +1
        Actually, from the Germans it was not the shooting of prisoners, but the punishment for the shooting.
        Criminals are executed, despite the fact that they no longer pose a danger when they are caught. There are criminals in the war too.
        If you are a criminal, then you are no longer considered an ordinary prisoner who must not be touched.
        It is necessary to be objective in such matters, despite who is ours and who is the enemy.

        And by your logic, for example, you can’t touch the German guards of the concentration camp who killed our prisoners. Indeed, the guards became the same prisoners.
        1. iz odessy
          iz odessy 28 January 2017 19: 04
          +1
          in general, if there is such a fact, there must be a court, yes, a military court and punishment, in general .. for the "civilized Aryan race." How did these mountain shooters establish the involvement of these two in the execution of a reconnaissance group? with binoculars? in the field, huh?
  30. Alekspel
    Alekspel 28 January 2017 13: 37
    +2
    The described fact once again proves that the main thing in the army is fighting spirit. And as long as the soldier has it, it cannot be broken. And you can have the most powerful weapons, but the cowardly young soldier can not be defeated. So far, we have both good weapons and a high spirit of soldiers (officers) (Syria confirmed), but the adversaries are gradually trying to shake this spirit and destroy it. Even on our website there is a lot that is trying to dirty offend the fights of our fighters with dirty jokes, to say nothing of TV and newspapers. So the next eaglet (judging by the nose) that led the British government decided to talk with us from a position of strength. Well, let him try, our soldier has not been to London yet, apparently she really wants to see him there. But seriously, if they win our country, it’s only following the example of the humpback-elkina, having collapsed from the inside. One should not be afraid of American generals, but of Kudrins, Grefs, and other Gaidar labyrinths.
  31. ship
    ship 28 January 2017 14: 34
    0
    Quote: trenkkvaz
    And by your logic, for example, you can’t touch the German guards of the concentration camp who killed our prisoners. Indeed, the guards became the same prisoners.

    This is your wretched logic, not mine. You do not understand that for the same protection of prisoners, sentries are required. Do you even know who said these words - "whoever comes to us with a sword will die from the sword." Those with binoculars have shown this that there will be no mercy for anyone.
  32. iz odessy
    iz odessy 28 January 2017 18: 59
    0
    Pictures. Pictures say a lot. The raised middle finger was simply not a well-known gesture for our back then.
  33. trenkkvaz
    trenkkvaz 29 January 2017 13: 47
    0
    Quote: brod
    Quote: trenkkvaz
    And by your logic, for example, you can’t touch the German guards of the concentration camp who killed our prisoners. Indeed, the guards became the same prisoners.

    This is your wretched logic, not mine. You do not understand that for the same protection of prisoners, sentries are required. Do you even know who said these words - "whoever comes to us with a sword will die from the sword." Those with binoculars have shown this that there will be no mercy for anyone.


    Why are you explaining to me who the sentinels are? Naturally, there are guards, including sentries. I’m talking about the fact that prisoners are not killed when they try to escape, but they have nothing to do, plus they starve.
    As for the swords, you have run into propaganda. This is all clear. Nobody argues about the justice of the war on our part.
    I’m talking about a specific case within the framework of the customs of warfare. In this case, the actions of the Germans are understandable. If our people also saw with binoculars how the enemy shoots prisoners, then those caught in this area were also shot.
    But the author for some reason began to drive away a completely different nonsense about motives.
    1. iz odessy
      iz odessy 29 January 2017 20: 21
      +1
      ask yourself questions, tk. you operate with words such as "rules of reference .." without specific information in this particular example and with little understanding that these rules ALWAYS had exceptions. For example, -a. For what purpose does the reconnaissance group climb over the leading edge b. by what forms and methods the reconnaissance group extracts the necessary information c. how do they get rid of those who give this information? It can be assumed, for example, that this group slaughtered someone before it came to ours? The Germans themselves, began not to capture the commissars, communists, political workers, our SS men, or for example the personnel of the regiment who hung up the Kosmodemyanskaya. There was even an order about this. And our guys in the photo, in German !! clearly heroic
  34. trenkkvaz
    trenkkvaz 29 January 2017 13: 53
    +1
    Quote: iz odessy
    in general, if there is such a fact, there must be a court, yes, a military court and punishment, in general .. for the "civilized Aryan race." How did these mountain shooters establish the involvement of these two in the execution of a reconnaissance group? with binoculars? in the field, huh?


    Read the article carefully. The Germans captured the very people who had previously taken this height and shot German prisoners. Of course, they did not intend to thoroughly sort out who specifically shot and who did not. And this is justified. This is a war. Can you still require lawyers?
    The fact of the matter with the Germans was an obvious motive for the execution of execution.
    And ours for what prisoners were shot? Because they hated, as the author said?
    Well then, it was necessary to shoot all German prisoners for this reason.
    The fact is that our fighters themselves initially acted recklessly and paid for it.
    And they are made heroes for this oversight? They were heroes until the moment when they shot the captured Germans.
    1. iz odessy
      iz odessy 29 January 2017 20: 23
      +1
      I didn’t cook cabbage with you and didn’t slurp, a request for “you”, and I wrote the answer above
  35. Andrey Grigoryev
    Andrey Grigoryev 30 January 2017 07: 19
    0
    Two officers.

    Forty-first year, Kola Peninsula,
    The end of June, the Germans came up
    And the high-rise guys fought hard
    So that enemies do not get through them.

    The remnants of the platoon fought with a whole company,
    Two fighters left on top
    An unequal battle, ending in a dark night,
    They did not leave cartridges for themselves.

    The Nazis captured the officers
    And led the crowd to be shot,
    But hid their eyes from the gaze of the bold
    That each of the fighters looked at them.

    Two officers walked with their shoulders straight,
    They looked at the enemy with contempt
    Though they knew that I’ll meet with death,
    No one will cancel them, not when.

    The officers didn’t fall on their knees,
    They didn’t beg to spare the enemy
    And with pride they looked at the executioners,
    For heroism, flying up to heaven.

    Found the remains of fighters, on a high-rise,
    When the eighth decade has gone,
    When a German soldier takes this picture,
    During their execution made.

    29.01.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX Andrey Grigoryev.
  36. trenkkvaz
    trenkkvaz 1 February 2017 02: 17
    0
    Quote: iz odessy
    ask yourself questions, tk. you operate with words such as "rules of reference .." without specific information in this particular example and with little understanding that these rules ALWAYS had exceptions. For example, -a. For what purpose does the reconnaissance group climb over the leading edge b. by what forms and methods the reconnaissance group extracts the necessary information c. how do they get rid of those who give this information? It can be assumed, for example, that this group slaughtered someone before it came to ours? The Germans themselves, began not to capture the commissars, communists, political workers, our SS men, or for example the personnel of the regiment who hung up the Kosmodemyanskaya. There was even an order about this. And our guys in the photo, in German !! clearly heroic


    What? If the reconnaissance group is in military uniform, then it is no different from ordinary fighters. And when captured, it has the same rights.
    You are now justifying the killing of prisoners retroactively, and even thinking up on the go what they hypothetically may be guilty of.
    For our soldiers, the German reconnaissance group was ordinary prisoners of war, without your thoughts.

    And following your hypotheses, you need to kill all the prisoners, suddenly among them he who slaughtered someone there.
    Yes, in general, German prisoners had to be killed only because they were Germans, because they had corresponding orders for commissars, etc.
    So you can agree to the point that our army should have killed civilians, for the fact that they killed our civilians.

    You are trying to justify the crime only on the basis that our did it.
    1. iz odessy
      iz odessy 2 February 2017 16: 56
      0
      once again .. for the gifted: lack of information for a reasonable motive - to exclude categorical statements. For the rest, this is not a motive. What do you know besides this text about the essence of the matter?
  37. Nursultan
    Nursultan 3 March 2017 11: 33
    0
    Many in the former Soviet Union associate themselves with the Russian people.
    My grandfather who went through the war, received 3 wounds and returned home, considers himself RUSSIAN.
    He recalled his Commander with a capital letter, who taught him to fight and survive in that terrible war. They became brothers, and during the assault on the Sandomierz bridgehead, the lieutenant rescued a whole platoon in a roundabout way.
    He helped to understand the words about friendship. honor, love for the motherland and self-sacrifice for the sake of comrades.
    And in the end, he said that he was a Russian Soldier. After these conversations, we little boys also considered themselves Russian.
    Yours faithfully,
  38. Cycle boss
    Cycle boss 11 July 2017 11: 49
    0
    As long as memory lives, business will live. But memory is killed, sometimes hidden from us. We must remember such moments of history and pass on to posterity.
  39. Silhouette
    Silhouette 15 August 2017 17: 36
    0
    But why did our soldiers shoot captured Germans? ... For what? ... Did they do it right? ... Was it arbitrariness or an event organized by the junior commander? ... Or a crime? ... Interestingly, the Germans also behaved with dignity before the execution? ...
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 15 August 2017 17: 45
      0
      Maybe in a fever, not yet shelled, did not know what to do with the prisoners.
      Fools.
      There were few prisoners at the beginning of the war, they were awarded for them, they were valuable.
  40. Santa Claus
    Santa Claus 19 August 2017 00: 28
    0
    they were younger than many of us who unsubscribed here, and did not fight with Claudia in their hands. eternal memory to heroes heroes not we
  41. XXXIII
    XXXIII 19 August 2017 01: 01
    +1
    The Red Army men were executed because they hated the enemy, were more violent and braver ..... She did not become a shame for them - glory ...... they knew that they would not have mercy. But they held courageously ........
  42. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 31 October 2017 18: 12
    0
    Eternal memory to the Russian Warriors who did not return home, how many of them still remained restless, this should never be forgotten !!! Therefore, my children became officers, and I think the grandchildren will also be defenders of the Fatherland!
  43. GIN
    GIN 4 November 2017 14: 55
    0
    Blessed memory they once finished rangers and then they were rewarded