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Refueling T-50 in the air (video)

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TV channel "Star" posted on the Internet video refueling in the air of the Russian aircraft 5-th generation PAK FA (T-50).




As the honored test-pilot, Hero of Russia Sergey Bogdan, stated, “the aircraft’s characteristics in these modes were confirmed”, however, according to him, there are some remarks, but they are “insignificant”.

It is reported that, taking into account these comments, the fighter control system was improved.

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  1. Bradley
    Bradley 21 January 2017 09: 15
    +3
    According to the honored test pilot, Hero of Russia Sergey Bogdan, “the characteristics of the aircraft in these modes were confirmed”, however, according to him, there are some comments, but they “minor».

    Intrigued. laughing
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 21 January 2017 09: 35
      +34
      Quote: Bradley
      Intrigued.

      And what is the intrigue? For this, there are tests to identify comments and eliminate them, so it is for everyone who produces and develops new aircraft. And what is the intrigue? request
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 21 January 2017 09: 58
        +1
        And what is the intrigue? For this, there are tests to identify comments and eliminate them, so it is for everyone who produces and develops new aircraft. And what is the intrigue? request

        The intrigue is that I wonder what the "remarks" are.
      2. vanek77
        vanek77 21 January 2017 12: 27
        +5
        In "Military Parity" I read that the AFAR is not ready, as well as the engines of the second stage, therefore the engines of the PFAR are the same as in the Su-35. On the forums, knowledgeable people write that the engine is not a glider, it must first go through bench tests, and this is the time through which it is impossible to jump over and therefore only bench tests should end at best in 2018. If everything goes well, then new products are installed on a couple of prototypes, which must be tested for a certain time, and only then a decision must be made to install the engines on the machines, or they need fine-tuning. Therefore, people write that really new products should appear on the T-50, not earlier than 2020. If to be an optimist. And so it turns out that many tests are held formally, and this is not an engine for the Zhiguli, this is an airplane, it must fly, and if something that should have come out on the stand still comes out in flight, who will be responsible? By and large, engine builders are under pressure from the top. There are probably problems with AFAR, as they are on the AFAR MiG-35, but the T-50 is more complicated. Here's a compote. Therefore, it is premature to talk about the fifth generation at the moment. The machine is hampered by the fact that it was made too multipurpose, for example, stuffing it into the T-50, MiG-31, was a rash decision. Two large hatches and congestion of the machine with mechanisms and electronics, entailed problems with the strength characteristics. So the car is still very raw, so the decision of the design bureau to concentrate on the sixth generation (where they also decided to cram the MiG-41 and T-50) is questionable. It would be interesting to look at this "Charybdis", since crossing hypersound and stealth is the same as crossing a hedgehog and a snake, it is not even scientifically substantiated. But you see the budget is a fascinating thing. In the end, no one will be responsible again, for nothing.
        1. Man of Man
          Man of Man 21 January 2017 16: 33
          +12
          "I read in" Military Parity "..." On the forums, knowledgeable people write "
          Further reading this nonsense, a waste of time.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 21 January 2017 18: 49
            +2
            What is nonsense? Is it that it is many times more difficult to design a modern engine than a glider, even of a progressive design? Or is it that "stealth technology" and high flight speeds are not linked to each other?
            1. Man of Man
              Man of Man 21 January 2017 19: 29
              +3
              What is the nonsense? Are you serious?
              "I read in" Military Parity "..." On the forums, knowledgeable people write. " You think this is enough to draw conclusions - at what stage is the development of the engine for the T-50 and. etc.?
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 21 January 2017 21: 31
                0
                I agree that there are dubious sources, well then name those that you personally trust. On the Internet, 99% of doubtful sources, even on a reputable VO. No matter what materials the forum member vanek77 used, he simply expressed his opinion.
        2. byxarik1
          byxarik1 21 January 2017 21: 15
          +3
          people write maybe people say that in Russia hens are milked,
          but in Ryazan we have mushrooms with eyes.
          we didn’t see an eye, but here’s how crucians flew ....
          it’s not for you Hohlyat shushpansers to make a fuss, here people think and don’t jump!
        3. Alex_59
          Alex_59 21 January 2017 22: 16
          +2
          Quote: vanek77
          In "Military Parity" I read that the AFAR is not ready, as well as the engines of the second stage, therefore, the PFAR machines have engines like the Su-35.

          So what? In Soviet times, something like that? For example, the Su-15 was immediately made in two stages, the car of the first stage on the existing technical base, and the Su-15T with the new engine and avionics. What about the Su-27? They made a plane, tested it, everything is ready for the series - bam, and a complete redesign.
          Or do you think it would be better to have it the way it was when creating the Yak-28P? When comrade Yakovlev says, I’ll do the best. Everybody scream cheers, cheers! The car is launched into series until the tests are completed, aircraft are driven into combat units ... At the same time, the serial plant is taken from Sukhoi, the production of Su-11 is curtailed, which Yakovlev promised to surpass. And it turns out that this Yak-28P is impossible to use ... Not like fighting, you can’t fly.
        4. Russian
          Russian 22 January 2017 12: 48
          +1
          Read no more Military Parity.
        5. DM51
          DM51 22 January 2017 22: 15
          +2
          In "Military Parity" I read that the AFAR is not ready, as well as the engines of the second stage, therefore, the PFAR machines have engines like the Su-35. On the forums, knowledgeable people write

          Already a jamb of knowledgeable people on the forums - the first-stage engine for the T-50 AL-41F1 differs from the AL-41F1S engine for the SU-35 by 80% with new parts and the first engine is put only on the PAK FA and not on the SU-35. Conclusion - Don't Read Military Parity
    2. byxarik1
      byxarik1 21 January 2017 21: 02
      0
      Mr. Rryabinovich how old are you
      - do not wait
      although what remains for you
  2. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 21 January 2017 09: 18
    +1
    Interestingly, they will make him an interlocking lamp for the cockpit, or is it not even planned to have such a lamp yet?
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 21 January 2017 09: 27
      +2
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      Interestingly, they will make him an interlocking lamp for the cockpit, or is it not even planned to have such a lamp yet?

      Probably strength characteristics do not allow.
      1. Yuri from Volgograd
        Yuri from Volgograd 21 January 2017 10: 48
        +3
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
        Interestingly, they will make him an interlocking lamp for the cockpit, or is it not even planned to have such a lamp yet?

        Probably strength characteristics do not allow.

        No, we simply do not have such equipment.
        They plan it, but the pace is not fast.
        By the way, the Chinese have been doing for a long time, the Americans, in my opinion, have always done ...
        Nothing, soon we will learn.
        1. Sergey Khatylaev
          Sergey Khatylaev 22 January 2017 17: 20
          0
          from different materials, ours and foreign
    2. teder
      teder 21 January 2017 09: 29
      +5
      And where does his refueling rod come from?
      By the way
      Liberoid

      Banishing liberoids

      laughing - in sequence
      1. Banishing liberoids
        Banishing liberoids 21 January 2017 09: 42
        +1
        teder-plusanul for having a sense of humor !! good
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      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 21 January 2017 12: 08
        +1
        Quote: teder
        And where does his refueling rod come from?
        By the way

        from the same place, where does Su come from all




    3. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 January 2017 09: 42
      +2
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      Interestingly, they will make him an interlocking lamp for the cockpit, or is it not even planned to have such a lamp yet?

      I don’t think so. But he moves back, and does not rise, this is how much to redraw, then ...
    4. ZVS
      ZVS 21 January 2017 12: 33
      +1
      Is the F-35 a lantern without binding? wink
      I think that for bailout on supersonic flashlights the frontal part of the flashlight should remain.
  3. Liberoid-
    Liberoid- 21 January 2017 09: 22
    +6
    Today one news is direct, better than the other ... Russia is alive and focusing!
    1. Banishing liberoids
      Banishing liberoids 21 January 2017 09: 28
      +1
      Liberoid - Vitaliy hi the day has just begun, can it be all of a sudden, if Obama is self-appointed as the president of ukroiny? am He’ll become with him, for a bunch of bananas, he still will not arrange such muck for us, even though he is used, but the old connections remain, and the muck will continue against us. belay
      1. Liberoid-
        Liberoid- 21 January 2017 09: 38
        +2
        Quote: Expelling Liberoids
        Liberoid - Vitaliy hi the day has just begun, can it be all of a sudden, if Obama is self-appointed as the president of ukroiny? am He’ll become with him, for a bunch of bananas, he still will not arrange such muck for us, even though he is used, but the old connections remain, and the muck will continue against us. belay

        Nothing, Russia knows how to teach the mind reason ... Do not get used to it! Here are the first results, albeit small and yet ...
        WASHINGTON, January 21. / Corr. TASS Anatoly Bochinin. Sections on the LGBT community and climate change have been removed from the White House official website on January 20, after assuming the post of 45th US President Donald Trump. Both of these topics occupied an important place on the agenda of former head of state Barack Obama.
        A page dedicated to gay people was designed to publish legislative initiatives and news on court decisions designed to protect minority rights. It was during the Obama presidency that gay marriage was legalized throughout the country. Now the LGBT abbreviation is not mentioned on the White House website at all

        We will continue to work in an already adequate mode ...
        1. Banishing liberoids
          Banishing liberoids 21 January 2017 09: 45
          +7
          Liberoid - Vitaliy hi we’ll look, but, I don’t think that redhead for Russia will be better than carbonized sad one field of berries, albeit of a different color.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 21 January 2017 10: 34
            +5
            Sorry, not the topic ... But the communication between you -Liberoid and the Exorcist of liberoids ... is admirable .. bully
            Quote: Expelling Liberoids
            Liberoid - Vitaliy hi we’ll look, but, I don’t think that redhead for Russia will be better than carbonized sad one field of berries, albeit of a different color.
        2. The comment was deleted.
  4. svp67
    svp67 21 January 2017 09: 40
    +1
    Test Pilot, Hero of Russia Sergey Bogdan,
    So I understand that he is the "chief pilot" of "Sukhoi".
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 21 January 2017 19: 16
      0
      Deputy Chief of Flight Service, Sukhoi Company.
  5. bistrov.
    bistrov. 21 January 2017 09: 44
    +3
    Long, long messing around. In 2010 there was the first take-off, and today 2017 is already in the yard. It doesn’t work out that it becomes outdated while it goes into the series?
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 21 January 2017 09: 59
      +2
      Is the F-35 obsolete? What about the F-22? They have a difference between the first flight and the start of operation of 15 and 16 years, respectively.
      1. servant.
        servant. 21 January 2017 15: 10
        +1
        f-22x have already released 200pcs and they have stopped issuing, 35 are spanking with might and main, they are probably already going ahead developing something new based on operating experience of the 22nd and 35th. We still have tests without a regular engine and equipment .....
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 21 January 2017 15: 11
          +2
          Well, only 6,5 years have passed from the first flight. What is wrong? Until the state standards, another 8-9 years are in stock.
          1. servant.
            servant. 21 January 2017 15: 15
            0
            in stock to catch up with 22 and 35! Where will the Americans be during this time?
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 21 January 2017 15: 24
              +1
              No offense, but 35 has not yet been completed and at the same time it is objectively worse than the T-50. Just in all respects. If you name at least one which is better, we bet.
              1. servant.
                servant. 21 January 2017 15: 42
                +1
                f-35 are mass-produced! We have so far the tests are not even fully loaded! Better or worse, only a combat clash can show, God forbid! Crush the number .... alas ...
                1. Muvka
                  Muvka 21 January 2017 15: 53
                  +1
                  This year we also have a series, so what? The engines will be at 18. Nobody argues that only a head-on collision will dot all the points, but nevertheless, if it’s easy for you, name at least a few parameters that make the F-35 better than the T-50. I'm waiting.
                  1. servant.
                    servant. 21 January 2017 16: 02
                    0
                    I somewhere claimed that the f-35 is better? Please show me where you will wait a long time! A series of 6 aircraft will take how many years will it take to get closer? When will the engines appear you need to conduct tests on a new one. Didn't you know? When will we get closer where will the Americans be? Do you think they stupidly made f-22 and f-35 and are now sitting exactly on the pope? We are on the way for AFAR and armament engines in general info zero (maybe not yet) they have it askew but it works in the series, we have crookedly yet to come! Or do you think that the troops will receive an already finalized version? This was not the case with the union!
                    1. Muvka
                      Muvka 21 January 2017 16: 14
                      +1
                      Tests of engines on the ground are already completed. This year there will be tests in the air. And the plane was designed for these engines, so there would be no problems. And 5 planes are only this year. It will be faster further. This is a common practice. And it turns out that the F-35 is worse, so the United States needs to create a new plane in order to achieve the T-50. It turns out we are ahead. So what's the problem then?
                      1. servant.
                        servant. 21 January 2017 16: 27
                        0
                        Well then, the question is, what's ahead? There is no engine, no afar, there is no information with weapons. There is no series either! What is the advantage? And that you are attached to the f-35, a direct competitor to the t-50 f-22 actually! There are 200 of them and probably already in the development of something more advanced, we do not yet mass-produce the 5th generation aircraft! And taking into account that the 6th generation is considered to be unmanned, we have nothing to rejoice about!
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 21 January 2017 15: 17
          +1
          Quote: serviceman.
          35 they are spanking with might and main, they are probably already going ahead developing something new based on operating experience of the 22nd and 35th

          - SchA Trump will show them how to "spank" the 35th ...

          President-elect Donald Trump lamented that the fifth-generation F-35 multipurpose aircraft project was too expensive for the budget. Trump at the same time promised to significantly cut funding for the program and save $ 400 billion. After this statement, Lockheed Martin shares flew down ///
    2. PValery53
      PValery53 21 January 2017 10: 20
      +3
      "Better late than no one" (from the biography of one person)
      In order for the plane to become the leader of modern aviation in the world, it is better to stop than to release a "raw" thing. Good luck to our developers.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 21 January 2017 10: 21
      +3
      Quote: bistrov.
      It doesn’t work out that it becomes outdated while it goes into the series?

      For starters, take a look at how much the F-22 was being developed (the beginning of development was the mid-80s) and how much the F-35 was being developed ... I will not say anything about the F-35, but the lizard is still a very formidable fighter, although not without problems.
    4. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 21 January 2017 11: 22
      +3
      Quote: bistrov.
      It doesn’t work out that it becomes outdated while it goes into the series?

      Not out of date. Their 22nd and 35th will become obsolete.
  6. aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 21 January 2017 09: 45
    0
    Everything is fine, it is necessary to facilitate control during refueling as much as possible, the responsibility for the combat unit is very high. The conditions of refueling can differ greatly in many factors, the loss of equipment is unacceptable. As for the re-binding lamp, I think the deciding factor is price and meaning, respectively. On later models I think it will already be.
  7. NEXUS
    NEXUS 21 January 2017 09: 47
    +6
    The tests are going on and it pleases. But I am more concerned with the issue of the PAK FA arsenal and the use of new missiles created for the T-50 platform. It would be nice to see the "firing" of new missiles, taking into account the internal compartment of the fighter.
    1. _Slavs
      _Slavs 21 January 2017 11: 51
      0
      And what will you see? Everything is corny there! Not a game or an episode from Lucas odyssey.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 21 January 2017 12: 56
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      It would be nice to see the "firing" of new missiles, taking into account the internal compartment of the fighter.
      NEXUS hi
      T-50 has weapons placed exclusively in the internal compartments so as not to spoil the stealth picture. I’m interested in something else: the use of weapons in supersonic ... F-22 used, but only KAB, not rockets. How about us?
      Pros, who is in the subject - make it clear, plz!
      Yours faithfully,
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 21 January 2017 13: 02
        +2
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        NEXUS

        Boa kaa hi
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        The T-50 has weapons placed exclusively in the internal compartment

        Here the dog just rummaged ... it is not known how many missiles the PAK FA can carry in the internal compartments ... the numbers are different from 4 to 12 ...
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 21 January 2017 15: 00
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          the numbers are different from 4 to 12 ...

          It is important how many holders are in each compartment. It’s better, of course, to have 6 pieces. (Although, I read what will happen on 4 in each). And how much and what kind of weapons to hang up depends on the task.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 21 January 2017 15: 23
            +2
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Better, of course, that there were 6 pieces.

            It is believed that a total of 4 missiles can be installed in the internal compartment ... that is, two on each side. Personally, I believe that in the inner compartment of the PAK FA there will be at least 8 suspension points, rather 10, since this is exactly how much the direct competitor F-22 has.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 22 January 2017 15: 36
        0
        To begin with, opening a compartment in a supersonic sound is a procedure in itself that is accompanied by strong sound beats. At F-22, as I understand it, the flow around the compartment remains subsonic somewhere up to 1400 + km / h.
  8. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 21 January 2017 10: 04
    +3
    development and verification of all declared parameters. The usual routine work of a test pilot. It looks beautiful of course.
  9. Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 21 January 2017 13: 16
    +2
    Good news in the morning invigorate. First 160, now PAK FA
  10. servant.
    servant. 21 January 2017 15: 20
    +1
    Quote: Cat Man Null

    - SchA Trump will show them how to "spank" the 35th ...


    Well, well ... about 8 years ago, there were also hopes for the frame ... alas! And the series promised by Zelin by the year 15 is not and is not expected until now ....
  11. Zheka40
    Zheka40 21 January 2017 15: 22
    0
    author brake
  12. Muvka
    Muvka 21 January 2017 17: 09
    +1
    servant.,
    I mean no AFAR? What does he fly with? Engines at the stage of flight tests. Armament is also already tested and accepted. Although not all. And to replace the F-22 is the F-35. They have plans for 2 or 3 thousand of these aircraft.
    1. servant.
      servant. 22 January 2017 10: 14
      0
      they have 2-3 thousand and we have 12 aircraft, that's the whole series ....
      1. Enemy
        Enemy 24 January 2017 09: 14
        0
        They still do not have 2-3 thousand. This is only a plan so far.
  13. batial
    batial 21 January 2017 17: 11
    +1
    Those. refueling in the air of the T-50 is a serious achievement and it needs to be discussed and admired? I'll know.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 21 January 2017 17: 27
      +5
      Not. Simply, if you find the T-50 refueling shots in the air before this video, I admit that you are right. This is the first video. And I can also recall the news about the tests of the gun on the F-35 on the ground. Do you think that news is more grandiose?
      1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 21 January 2017 17: 38
      +2
      Do you think this news is more significant and important?
      https://topwar.ru/79554-provedeny-pervye-nazemnye
      -ispytaniya-pushki-installation-na-f-35.html
  14. PValery53
    PValery53 21 January 2017 17: 26
    0
    Bribes how carefully, so as not to get into the exhaust jets of the tanker, the T-50 is selected to the "life-giving" hose of the "air cow"!
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 21 January 2017 20: 41
      +3
      Not into "exhaust jets", but into a wake-flow: two tornadoes formed at the wingtips due to the overflow of compacted air from the lower surface into the vacuum zone from above. In my experience, the Il 76 can turn over the Yak-40 crossing its wake. For the same reason, the landing interval of light aircraft for medium and heavy aircraft was previously stipulated in the NCE - 3 minutes; medium or heavy over heavy -2 minutes; for light or medium -1 minute.
      Now, this procedure is determined by the instructions for operations in the area of ​​the aerodrome and (or) the aeronautical aerodrome passport. (FAP)
  15. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 21 January 2017 19: 29
    +1
    The fact that an airplane is manufactured, tested, and improved is much better than just a discussion: how good the F22 and F35 are ...
    1. Enemy
      Enemy 24 January 2017 09: 16
      0
      Not an “airplane”, but an airplane. Respect the Russian language, please.
  16. Al. Peresvet
    Al. Peresvet 21 January 2017 19: 56
    0
    Test, check, finish, if necessary, and in the army! And there, to improve and make-new-better.