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At the crash site of the Tu-154 found the wreckage of the American "Boston"

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During the search operation in the area of ​​Sochi, where 25 December crashed airliner of the Russian Ministry of Defense Tu-154, the wreckage of another aircraft unexpectedly showed up. We are talking about fragments of American aircraft of the Second World War period discovered by search diving groups and underwater vehicles. This is a “Boston” B-3 (III) aircraft, which in November 1942 crashed during takeoff from Adler’s Sochi airfield.


At the crash site of the Tu-154 found the wreckage of the American "Boston"


The American-made aircraft belonged to the 63 Bomber Aviation Regiment.

From the message source Interfax:
One of the engines of the twin-engined aircraft was raised to the surface from the bottom of the sea, according to the marking of which it will be possible to establish its identity, the circumstances of the crash and the fate of the crew.


The aircraft of the American production of the series “Boston” (“Douglas Boston”) were delivered during the Great Patriotic War in the USSR under the program of lend-lease, which was subsequently generously paid from the Soviet budget.

It should be noted that the search operation continues in the framework of the investigation into the causes of the crash of the Tu-154 heading to Syria off the coast of the Khostinsky district of Sochi and on some other directions. Recall that in a plane crash killed 92 person.
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  1. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 19 January 2017 14: 51
    +7
    It is strange that they still haven’t found anything. There are a lot of things at the bottom in the Black Sea.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 19 January 2017 14: 53
      +9
      The main thing is to find what you need to find, so that in the future this does not happen to anyone.
    2. Skeptic Self-Taught
      Skeptic Self-Taught 19 January 2017 14: 54
      +5
      Well now all sorts of ufologists and other search engines of anomalies will stir up ...
      We are waiting for another horror story on REN-TV
      1. Prince of Pensions
        Prince of Pensions 20 January 2017 13: 25
        0
        are you watching ren tv?
    3. Orel
      Orel 19 January 2017 14: 56
      +17
      Quote: Ferdinant
      This is the Boston B-3 (III) aircraft, which crashed in November 1942 when taking off from the Adler Sochi airfield.


      The echo of war ...
      1. Bath
        Bath 19 January 2017 15: 09
        +3
        once friends were blowing each other now sad
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 19 January 2017 15: 20
          +38
          Quote: Bath
          once friends were blowing each other now sad

          They were friends for gold, for gold ... They are ready for such a "friendship" even now.
          1. vadim dok
            vadim dok 19 January 2017 15: 39
            +5
            How much gold did the USSR pay for the lend-lease? About 1% of the cost! Therefore, there is no need to write that "! Were friends for gold"
            1. Shadowcat
              Shadowcat 19 January 2017 15: 55
              +7
              Better to write that were friends for blood? It will be more precise.
              However, what about Edinburgh gold?
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 19 January 2017 18: 41
                +2
                Quote: ShadowCat
                However, what about Edinburgh gold?

                And what does paying for British supplies in 1941 have to do with the American Lend-Lease program?
                1. Shadowcat
                  Shadowcat 19 January 2017 19: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  And what does paying for British supplies in 1941 have to do with the American Lend-Lease program?

                  British? What universe are you with?
                  For that matter, the first Lendlis agreement between the Allies and the USSR was signed in December 1941. But this remarkable cruiser was flooded in April (probably in the territorial waters of Britain) near Murmansk, escorting a convoy QP-11
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 20 January 2017 10: 44
                    0
                    Quote: ShadowCat
                    British? What universe are you with?

                    From the same as you. smile
                    Quote: ShadowCat
                    For that matter, the first Lendlis agreement between the Allies and the USSR was signed in December 1941.

                    Right. And the same "Valentines" arrived in the USSR on October 11, 1941. And before the final decision on the accession of the USSR to the Lend-Lease program purchases they were made in the Soviet Union a loan.
                    So, to be absolutely precise, the gold "Edinburgh" - a payment of loans for the purchase of supplies on dolendlizovskim.
            2. 33 Watcher
              33 Watcher 19 January 2017 16: 19
              +9
              Quote: vadim dok
              How much gold did the USSR pay for the lend-lease? About 1% of the cost! Therefore, there is no need to write that "! Were friends for gold"

              In June 1990, a new deadline for the final repayment of debt (2030) was established, as well as an amount of $ 674 million. After the collapse of the USSR, the debt was reissued to Russia. Something was paid, but the final settlement did not happen. Experts who know the problem believe that of the total volume of American Lend-Lease deliveries, the Soviet Union and then Russia recognized and then partially paid $ 722 million, that is, about 7%.
              But they then counted on 100%, and even on 300-500 ... wink
              And what should I write, excuse me ... I forgot to ask ... recourse
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 19 January 2017 16: 29
                +9
                Quote: Observer 33
                recognized and then partially paid 722 million dollars, that is, about 7%.
                But they then counted on 100%, and even on 300-500 ...

                - actually, according to the Law on Lend-Lease, subject to payment only after surviving war machines and unspent "materials"
                - In addition, the United States reserved the right to demand the return of these same equipment materials, if the United States needs them.

                That's all.

                Thus, it is, of course, possible to count the "lend-lease payment" from the "total volume of supplies" ... but somehow it makes little sense, IMHO request
            3. iConst
              iConst 19 January 2017 16: 42
              +2
              Quote: from article
              ... under the Lend-Lease program, which was subsequently generously paid from the Soviet budget.


              Quote: vadim dok
              How much gold did the USSR pay for the lend-lease? About 1% of the cost! Therefore, there is no need to write that "! Were friends for gold"


              So, Lend-Lease established that the spent, lost fuel, equipment, ammunition, etc., were payable. The remaining ones were subject to either return or payment.
            4. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 19 January 2017 17: 25
              +9
              Quote: vadim dok
              About 1% of the cost!

              And please tell us a great expert, but what took away the ships that came to Russia with the lend-lease goods? I recommend reading the "Correspondence of the Soviet government and the US government in the period 1941-1945." Author Gromyko A.A.
              The name is approximate, for he held in his hands these two volumes at the end of the 70s of the last century. And do not lie, not knowing the topic!
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 19 January 2017 18: 49
                +1
                Quote: Hedgehog
                And tell me, please, a great connoisseur, but what about the ships that came to Russia with Lend-Lease goods?

                And were these goods? The same QP-12 walked back empty.
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 20 January 2017 12: 52
                  0
                  So answer the specific question. I do not ask the question of the existence of your grandfathers and parents! Although, in the light of your question
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  And were these goods?
                  I could have wondered.
    4. BABA SHURA
      BABA SHURA 19 January 2017 15: 21
      +11
      There are Ukrainian shovels at the bottom ...
    5. Stas157
      Stas157 19 January 2017 15: 48
      +8
      Quote: Ferdinant
      It is strange that they still haven’t found anything. There are a lot of things at the bottom in the Black Sea.

      The fragments of the shovels of ancient ukrov? So they were digging their hands! Strong people! There’s one worth it! A worthy representative of their relatives is an incredible power with the intelligence of a dinosaur.))
  2. Alena Frolovna
    Alena Frolovna 19 January 2017 14: 53
    +6
    Under sad circumstances, the secret curtain of the Great Patriotic War is more likely to be lifted.
    All the victims have eternal memory.
  3. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 19 January 2017 14: 55
    +2
    Didn’t he understand anything? It was previously reported that they found a German aircraft, without a bow and two FAB-100? After the ordnance has been deactivated, the issue of raising will be resolved. Have you found another one or is it a German who changed his shoes to an American?
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 19 January 2017 22: 18
      0
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Didn’t he understand anything? It was previously reported that they found a German aircraft, without a bow and two FAB-100? After the ordnance has been deactivated, the issue of raising will be resolved. Have you found another one or is it a German who changed his shoes to an American?

      If you believe zhurnalyugami, then tomorrow they will say that they found a working UFO laughing
  4. bober1982
    bober1982 19 January 2017 15: 08
    +1
    63rd Regiment entered the history of the Soviet Air Force, as the regiment, who was the first retrained on the Su-24 (Yak-28) and Chernyakhovsk unofficially considered the "capital" of the FBA. The regiment continued its glorious combat traditions.
  5. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 19 January 2017 15: 17
    +1
    Wait for Prokopenko’s broadcast on REN-TV about the “mysterious” aspects of the TU-154 crash in the light of finds of aircraft from the Second World War at this place ..... winked
    1. The brightest
      The brightest 19 January 2017 15: 30
      +2
      And you refute those theories that through his transmission are relayed. Here, create your gear and refute, if you can. Look forward to.
  6. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 19 January 2017 15: 31
    +6
    63rd Bomber Aviation Kerch Red Banner Regiment
    .... Acted on these bombers throughout the war, mainly used as a night bomber regiment. In 1942, it conducts combat activities in the Tuapse region, so on October 25, 1942 it strikes at the positions of enemy troops in the vicinity of the village of Shaumyan.
    In the spring of 1943, it was based at the airfield in Adler. He attacked ships and planes and crossings in the Kerch Strait, bombarded the Vladislavovka airfield. From February 26, 1943 to April 5, 1943, the regiment lost 8 crews who did not return from combat missions: 3 - from the area of ​​Chushka Spit (one of them fell into Densky Bay), 1 - from the area of ​​the village of Varenikovskaya, 4 - from the region of Anapa-Temryuk (shot down by fighters from JG 52 on March 14, 1943, when the regiment flew out to bomb the port of Temryuk)
    In the fall of 1943, during the Novorossiysk-Taman operation, the fortifications of the so-called Blue Line are bombed, then German troops retreating along the Taman Peninsula
    From April 10, 1944 (on the night of April 11) he participated in the assault on Kerch, suppresses enemy artillery in Bulganak, Gryazevoy Puchin, Gore Kulikova, Katerlese, then strikes at echelons at Bagerovo station and on the Bagerovo-Tyshlyar stretch. On April 23, 1944, it is based at the Mikhailovka airfield, near Dzhankoy, bombing Sevastopol, after its release it was transferred to Belarus, where it acts in the interests of the 2nd Belorussian Front, starting with the Bobruisk operation ....
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 19 January 2017 15: 36
      +7
      And here is the case of the award sheets 8th Guards Bomber Aviation Regiment
      “On December 15, 1943, the crew performed combat reconnaissance with the task of establishing the number of enemy artillery and tanks in the area of ​​Garmovichi, Korotkovichi, and the collective farm named after 11 kastrychnik. At 9.30 in the Korotkovichi area he was met and attacked by six enemy fighters of type Bf.109. In an unequal aerial battle, the aircraft received eight through holes by shells and more than 200 fragmentation-bullet shells. One shell was brought in the navigator’s cabin to his airfield. The fighters made six attacks, disabled the elevator, the right tank was completely broken, the right tire of the chassis wheel and the left screw were broken. The car was uncontrollable and from a height of 4000 m was in a mess-peak up to 800 m. But thanks to exclusively courage and courage Suchkov at an altitude of 800 m brought the car out of the peak. The dashboard refused to work. The plane was uncontrollable, and Suchkov, knowing that his gunner was badly wounded, stubbornly drove the plane to his airfield. Not wanting to leave the plane and the air gunner, 160 km, ignoring difficulties, drove the car without a speed indicator. The elevator did not work. Safely brought the plane to its airfield and landed. This saved the life of the crew and the car. The navigator Shalyutin, regardless of the difficulties, by all means gave the pilot a route to his airfield. The mission was completed, information about the enemy and the weather along the route were provided to the headquarters in full. In an air battle, the arrows of Mikhailov and Popugaev shot down one enemy aircraft. At the same time, Popugaev received a severe shrapnel wound to his arm, and Mikhailov received a shrapnel wound to his leg, but continued to fight. ” http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1295190.html
      crew: navigator - guard junior lieutenant Alexei Nikolaevich Shalyutin; pilot - guard lieutenant Alexander Mikhailovich Suchkov; gunner-radio operator - guard sergeant Ivan Iosifovich Mikhailov; Shooter - Guard Sergeant Ilya Arsentyevich Popugaev. Oryol-Kursk arc. Airfield Zadonsk, summer 1943
  7. vadim dok
    vadim dok 19 January 2017 15: 35
    0
    From the Soviet budget was paid for about 1% of the cost! This topic was undressing and sucked in Military Review repeatedly! No need to write that the aid was "generously paid from the budget of the USSR."
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 19 January 2017 16: 06
      +8
      Quote: vadim dok
      About 1% of the cost was paid from the Soviet budget!

      Do you think Americans have suffered losses? Yes, the United States without its selfish interest and a cent will not give! Of course, you don’t take into account the 30 million lives that the USSR paid in your accounting calculation! And, what was Stalin forced to promise Roosevelt to defeat Japan in exchange for a land lease? Well, and then Russia in two thousandths completely paid off its debts.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 19 January 2017 19: 04
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        Well, and then Russia in two thousandths completely paid off its debts.

        Yeah ... they paid the two thousandths of the debt in the amount calculated in 1951 dollars, without inflationary adjustment.
        This is cooler than if you now pay the ruble debt of stagnation times with modern banknotes. smile
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 19 January 2017 19: 22
          +4
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Yeah ... they paid the two thousandths of the debt in the amount calculated in 1951 dollars, without inflationary adjustment.

          So they agreed! Do you think that we haven’t closed the debt? Well, or did they treat America unfairly?))
  8. Vitalson
    Vitalson 19 January 2017 15: 44
    +1
    and if search engines dig a shovel at the bottom of the sea, then they will find many more surprises.
  9. Glory1974
    Glory1974 19 January 2017 16: 13
    +2
    Sukhum under the sea are several "carcasses" and Yak-40 downed Georgian replenishment during the Abkhaz-Georgian war of 92-93 GG
  10. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 19 January 2017 17: 40
    +1
    What is going on in the media ???????? Divers EMERCOM found in the Black Sea a military plane from the time of the Second World War and air bombs in preparation for Epiphany bathing. This was reported by the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation. Presumably, rescuers discovered three bombs of the FAB-100 type in the sea. The aircraft found was twin-engine.
    According to preliminary data, this may be an American-made model A-20 Douglas military aircraft.
  11. bober1982
    bober1982 19 January 2017 17: 56
    +1
    The designation of the Boston B-3 aircraft (in the article), found at the bottom of the Black Sea, is probably conditional, it’s more correct to say Douglas A-20, the plane that our pilots immediately accepted, it was a great car, and ours were immediately appreciated.
    What is curious, the American version of the machines was very different from the English, apparently this is what is called one-story America - whiskey, leather pants, etc., we immediately understood, although there were no whiskey and pants (we dismantled ours, like this us usual)
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 January 2017 19: 18
      +1
      Quote: bober1982
      The designation of the Boston B-3 aircraft (in the article), found at the bottom of the Black Sea, is probably conditional, it’s more correct to say- Douglas A-20

      Nope. Because the Soviet Union as the "Boston B-3" refers to the model immediately 3: DB-7B, DB-7C and the A-20C.

      Similarly, in tanks, all models of the obtained medium M3 were designated as M3C, and all models of light M3 were designated as M3L.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 19 January 2017 19: 52
        0
        "Bostons" (Douglas A-20) was not .....3 models at once ... - there were many modifications, British, American bombers, attack aircraft, heavy fighters, it was a multi-purpose machine that we used at our discretion. In some ways it was inferior to our Pe-2s and Tu-2s, in some ways it was better.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 January 2017 10: 57
          0
          Quote: bober1982
          "Boston" (Douglas A-20) was not immediately ..... 3 models ... - had a lot of modifications

          In this case, I spoke only of "Havoc" / "Boston", comes in the USSR and held we under the designation "Boston B-3". This is - a purely domestic designation junction up 3 of the original model: DB-7B, DB-7C and the A-20C.
          And here is the next model delivered to us - A-20G - we had the same name as the western one: A-20Zh.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 20 January 2017 12: 19
            0
            I agree with you.
  12. vasilev
    vasilev 19 January 2017 18: 23
    0
    There was no happiness for historians but misfortune helped
  13. vasilev
    vasilev 19 January 2017 18: 31
    0
    If you believe the media have found two "Douglas" in the Black Sea is one in preparation for Epiphany bathing, and the other in the search for the wreckage of the Tu 154.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 19 January 2017 19: 10
      +1
      There was no preparation for baptismal baths, they immediately refused (in the Adler area), all with a great holiday, ours and not ours!
  14. Holoy
    Holoy 19 January 2017 20: 43
    0
    The Germans were in Krasnaya Polyana ...