Tanks "Abrams" and BMP "Bradley" in the operation "Desert Storm"

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Evaluation of the combat qualities and results of the operation of US armored vehicles in the war against Iraq is set out according to foreign sources.


Shortly after the completion of Operation Desert Storm in 1991, the US leadership instructed the Main Financial Control Department to conduct an analysis of the effectiveness of American weapons and military equipment during this operation in order to determine ways to improve them. In relation to armored vehicles actions were considered tanks Abrams (M-1 and M-1A1) and the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle (BMP) (M-2A1 and M-2A2).

By the outbreak of hostilities in the Persian Gulf were:
- Abrams 3113 tanks, of which deployed in 2024 units (M-1А1 - 1 904pcs and М-1-120pcs), in reserve - 1089pcs .;
- 2200 BMP "Bradley", including deployed in 1730 units (834 - M-2A2 machines with increased survivability), in reserve - 470pcs.
Management specialists conducted a questionnaire survey of direct participants in the operation (from division commanders to members of tank crews). The respondents were asked three questions:
- how combat vehicles showed themselves in the operation;
- what are the detected deficiencies and suggestions for their elimination;
- how are the actions of support and support machines evaluated.

Were also studied army reports on the technical condition and combat readiness of machines. After a preliminary analysis of the materials received, the department introduced them to the relevant services and agencies of the Ministry of the Army and the Ministry of Defense of the United States, with whom measures to eliminate the identified deficiencies were discussed.

The effectiveness of the combat use of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles was assessed according to five criteria:
- on combat readiness, characterized by the operability of machines in a combat situation (the ability to move, fire and maintain communication) and its maintenance;
- by firepower capable of hitting enemy targets;
-on survivability, which is determined by the ability to resist or avoid defeat by enemy fire due to passive protection and maneuverability;
- on mobility, realized by the ability to move around areas with different terrain at maximum speeds and maneuverability;
- on a power reserve (the maximum distance that a car can travel without refueling under given road conditions).

The combat readiness ratio was determined by the relative number of vehicles in the subunit, ready to perform a combat mission on a given day, expressed as a percentage. Malfunctions that do not affect the ability to move, fire and maintain communication were not taken into account when assessing the combat readiness ratio in a combat situation.

1. Evaluation of the fighting qualities of Abrams tanks

Tanks "Abrams" in the operations of "Storm in the desert" showed a high combat readiness. The number of Abrams tanks that were indicated in the army reports as ready for combat missions exceeded 90% during the entire period of hostilities. This level is confirmed by the reviews of tank commanders, crew members and maintenance personnel. Some crews in the reports indicated that the Abrams tanks were the best combat vehicles on the battlefield, others believed that tanks were able to travel long distances with minor difficulties in terms of maintenance.


The Abrams tank armament complex provides good shooting accuracy and has a strong striking effect. According to the reviews of tank commanders and gunners, shells 120-mm guns inflicted catastrophic defeats on Iraqi tanks. The ability of a tank thermal sight to detect a target in the dark, through smoke and fog, as well as the effectiveness of an armor-piercing sub-caliber projectile, which often led to the defeat of Iraqi tanks from the first shot, was noted. However, the multiplicity of increase and resolution of the instruments should be coordinated with the range of the 120-mm gun. Accuracy of 120-mm guns in combat exceeded the predicted, based on the results of assessment firing, conducted on the eve of events in the Persian Gulf, and is due to: high performance of the sight, which allowed US tanks to fire at Iraqi tanks at long distances in poor visibility conditions (sand storms , smoke, thick fog); short duration of hostilities and hence insignificant fatigue of personnel and slight wear of equipment; high level of tank readiness and crew training.

Army officials pointed to the need to install independent thermal imaging devices for the driver and commander, which will allow the commander to observe the battlefield and search for targets simultaneously with firing the gunner at other targets. The Ministry of the Army has included the installation of a commanding independent thermal imaging device in the list of improvements implemented at M-1A2.

Tanks "Abrams" showed high survivability during the fighting. The tanks of the enemy were not destroyed a single tank "Abrams". During the operation, the X-NUMX of the Abrams tank was damaged and damaged. Of the nine destroyed seven were subjected to fire "their", and two tanks exploded by coalition troops to prevent their capture by the enemy after they lost mobility. Therefore, it is necessary to introduce a “friend-foe” identification system. Commanders and crew members also indicated in reports on the feasibility of installing a tower position indicator relative to the hull.

Some crews noted in the reports that further, with direct hits from Iraqi T-72 tanks, M-1А1 tanks received minimal damage. There is one case in which the T-72 tank twice fired at the Abrams tank from a distance of 2 000 meters. As a result, one shell ricocheted, another stuck in armor. On the anti-tank mines, two Abrams tanks were damaged and insignificantly damaged, and the crews survived.

Anti-radiation, biological and chemical protection, fire-fighting equipment, additional booking, high speed, maneuverability and fire power - all this, according to the crews, increases their own confidence in safety.

The commanders and crew members of the Abrams tanks, as well as the commanders of the units indicated the rapidity, mobility of the tank and its ability to effectively maneuver in any terrain. Abrams tanks performed combat missions in a wide range of changing terrain conditions, including soft sand and rocky patches. Although the speed of the tank varied depending on the tasks and the terrain, the pace of movement was high. At times, tanks were forced to slow down to allow other vehicles, with the exception of the Bradley BMP, to follow them.
Despite the advantages noted above, the disadvantages of the Abrams tank were also mentioned, among them the limited power reserve.

High fuel consumption of the gas turbine engine limited the reserve of the tank, so refueling tanks was a constant concern of the support services. The tanks were refueled at every opportunity. Before the outbreak of hostilities, units trained in refueling on the go and in organized columns. Directly in the combat zone, it was necessary to refuel every 3 ... 5. High fuel consumption was a concern for crew members and army personnel. They believe that fuel efficiency can be improved by installing an auxiliary power unit.

The capacity of the tanks of the Abrams tank is 500 gallons (1900 l). The fuel is in four fuel compartments: the 2 compartment is in front, the 2 compartment is in the back. According to military estimates, the fuel consumption of the Abrams tanks was 7 gallons per mile (16,5 liters per km), including idling the engine, during which the engine worked primarily to ensure the operation of the tank electrical equipment.

During the fighting, the crews tried to ensure the development of the rear tanks in the first place due to less time spent on their refueling. Access to the fuel filler neck of the front fuel tanks is difficult, since for this it is necessary to turn the turret. As a result, the front fuel tanks served as reserve tanks, and the crews used every opportunity to replenish the rear fuel tanks.
Reducing fuel consumption is carried out in two directions:
-reduction of the main engine at idle due to the installation of an auxiliary power unit, which should supply energy to the tank electrical equipment when the engine is not running;
-developing an electronic control unit that will increase fuel efficiency on the 18. ..20%, thanks to automatic adjustment of the fuel supply when the engine is idling.

The frequent refueling of the Abrams tanks, due to the failures of the priming pumps, also limited the length of the marches. Fuel is fed from the rear fuel tanks to the engine with two fuel injection pumps built into the fuel tanks. The two rear tanks are connected in such a way that in case of failure, one other serves as a backup. When fuel in the rear tanks drops below the 1 / 8 level, it is pumped from the front tanks to the rear tanks. If the transfer pump fails, the engine power is reduced by half, as the fuel of the front tanks becomes unavailable. All units reported on the unreliable performance of inline and transfer pumps. Built-in fuel pumps have a high failure rate. As reported by the crews and mechanics of the units, the tanks often worked with only one serviceable built-in pump. In case of failure of only one pump, the tank can perform a combat mission. If both of the built-in pumps fail, the engine can still receive fuel by gravity, but the engine power and, consequently, the speed of the tank's movement decrease. To replace the right in-line pump, more than 4 ... 5 and more than 2 ... 3 h are required to replace the left one. If it was impossible to get new pumps to replace the failed ones, some units had to repair them themselves. Transfer pumps also often failed. Thus, in the 1 Infantry Division, in one of the companies, three out of four tanks could not reach the position due to pump failures. Crews explain these failures by the accumulation of sediments at the bottom of the front tanks: before deploying to combat formations, the tanks did not have long-distance runs, and the fuel was not produced from the front tanks for a long time, therefore precipitation clogged the pumps and led to their breakdowns. The army plans to buy new fuel pumps with a resource 3 000 h instead of - 1000 from the serial and to test them.

Considered two ways to improve the reliability of the transfer pump. The first is to change its mode of operation in such a way that the pump pumps fuel at the 3 / 4 level of the tanks, and not at the 1 / 8. This should provide more frequent fuel pumping and reduce the likelihood of sediment accumulation. The second is to run a pump with a higher flow, capable of pumping fuel in the presence of precipitation.

Frequent cleaning of air cleaners also served to limit the length of tank marches. The Abrams tank air cleaner was designed for use in Europe and the USA, including the California desert. In the Persian Gulf area, however, the Abrams tank air cleaner required more frequent cleaning due to thin, talc-like sand.

The army took into account the extreme conditions of the desert when deploying armored units in the Persian Gulf and was forced to carry out frequent and intensive maintenance of air cleaners. Despite this, cases of dust entering the engine began to appear immediately during the deployment, the failure of the engines occurred in all divisions. In particular, a large number of engine failures were in the 24 Infantry Division. The situation was complicated by the lack of filtering elements (filters) in the initial deployment period.

Despite the attention paid to the thorough maintenance of air cleaners, the units arriving after the 24 division also experienced difficulties due to engine failures for the same reason. Thus, the 1-I armored reconnaissance division lost 16 engines during training maneuvers. Other units also had engine losses due to dust admission. The commanders and crews of tanks quickly realized the importance of maintaining GTE air cleaners in the harsh desert conditions. Maintenance of air cleaners included: using a jet of compressed air to remove the sand from the filters and shaking out the filters or lightly tapping the tank hull or the ground to remove the sand.


Most tank crews said shaking the filters was the most common method, since it is the simplest and requires less time. Crews were instructed to check and clean the filters at each stop for refueling, i.e. every 3 ... 5 h. Depending on the weather they stopped even more often to clean the filters. However, despite all these measures, there were failures of air cleaners. Some crews noted that if at the beginning of the operation the weather was the same as at the end of the operation, the failures of the air purifiers would have been more acute. The crews of the 1 Armored Division stated that when the troops left Iraq, it was dry and dusty, and they experienced great difficulties due to clogging of the filters - the engines lost power and the tanks slowed down. Five tanks were captured by a dust storm and stopped due to clogging of filters after 15 minutes. after the start of the movement. Two of them stopped again due to the passage of dust into the engine. The Ministry of the Army is considering two possible solutions to the problem of air cleaning. The first is to install a self-cleaning air cleaner on the tank with a longer operating time before maintenance, the second is to use air intake through a tubular air intake device, which prevents the ingress of highly dusty air into the filter.

2. Evaluation of the combat qualities of the BMP "Bradley"

BMP "Bradley" in the operations of the operation "Desert Storm" showed high combat readiness. The percentage of machines ready for the combat mission of the day was close to or exceeded 90% during the entire time of the operation. The machine model M-2А2 had the value of the coefficient of readiness in the range 92 ... 96%. and the older M-2 and M-2A1 models are 89 ... 92%. The crews of "Bradley" and repairmen especially highlighted the combat readiness of the model M-2А2, which has increased reliability and better maintainability. At the same time, crews and mechanics of units noted a number of recurring defects in equipment and systems of the machine. These defects were insignificant: they did not affect the performance of combat missions and did not affect the values ​​of the combat readiness ratios (table).
The weapon system of the BMP Bradley showed high efficiency, the 25-mm automatic cannon was a universal weapon. Crews used the 25-mm cannon mainly for “cleaning” bunkers and firing light armored vehicles. There were cases when the 25-mm automatic cannon fires hit enemy tanks. However, in order to build a tank with an 25-mm projectile, it is necessary to shoot at close range at the most vulnerable points.


ATGM TOU BMP "Bradley" had a striking effect at long distances against all types of enemy armored targets, including tanks. Crews 1-th Armored Division and 2-th Armored Cavalry Regiment used the TOW to destroy Iraqi tanks at a distance from the 800 to 3 700 m. Some commanders 'Bradley' crews and military experts have expressed concern that the BMP "Bradley" since the launch TOW until the target is hit must remain motionless. At this time, she is vulnerable to enemy fire, in order for the TOW to reach the target at a distance of 3, 750, and 20 with. Wishes are expressed to replace the TLU with self-guided missiles of the “fired and forgotten” type.

Crews and army specialists would like to have a built-in laser range finder on the Bradley machine to accurately determine the distance to the target, since in some cases the gunners opened fire on targets outside the range of the TOW. As a result, there were undershoots. When some crews used autonomous laser rangefinders, they were exposed to enemy fire. These devices are inconvenient in operation; it is difficult to obtain accurate readings using them in a combat situation. The Ministry of the Army is exploring the possibility of installing an integrated laser rangefinder on the Bradley BMP.

Defects of the elements of equipment BMP "Bradley"



It is also noted that the range of weapons exceeds the range of target identification, therefore, it is pointed out the need to increase the multiplicity and resolution of sights to prevent the defeat of "our own".

The survivability of the BMP "Bradley" could not be fully appreciated due to the limited information. Most of the wrecked cars were defeated by tank gun fire. It has been established that the Bradley BMP fire-fighting equipment system worked effectively.

Total destroyed 20 machines and 12 were damaged, but four of them were quickly restored. From the fire of "their" 17 BMP "Bradley" was destroyed and three damaged.

The commanders and crew members commented positively on the advantages of the M-2А2 model compared to the М-2 and М-1А1, since the additional booking, splinter screen and better mobility give a feeling of greater security.
The placement of ammunition on M-2А2 was changed to increase survivability, but this did not find a positive assessment from commanders and crew members who were more concerned about the replenishment of ammunition than survivability. Machines carried additional ammunition, which were located wherever possible. This could lead to an increase in personnel losses due to their explosion due to collisions during the movement of vehicles. The commanders and crews positively assessed the mobility and rapidity of the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle, also indicating good maneuverability in the desert and the possibility of interaction with the Abrame tank.

Crews that fought on the Bradley BMP model M-2А2, were pleased with the more powerful 600-strong engine instead of the previous 500-strong, as well as improved maneuverability compared to older models of BMP.

As a drawback, a low reverse speed was noted, which reduced the ability of the BMP to interact with the Abrams tank. The M-2X2 has a reverse speed of about seven miles per hour (11 km / h), while the Abrams has an 20 miles per hour (32 km / h). In the course of the fighting, there were cases when the Abrams tanks were forced to move quickly backwards. BMP "Bradley" or lagged or unfolded, substituting the stern of the machine under the fire of the enemy. Provided to increase the speed of the reverse.

It also indicates the need to install the driver's thermal imager, which will allow him to see better in the dust, in the fog and at night. The Bradley serial cars are equipped with driver's electronic-optical night instruments. The driver's imager should be designed on the principle of a thermal sight. A thermal imaging device for the driver is in development, but decisions about installing it on the Bradley machine have not yet been made.

BMP "Bradley" has good performance reserve and fuel efficiency. The 2 armor reconnaissance regiment during the combat operation made the transition 120 miles (192 km) in 82 hours. The crew members of this regiment stated that they could do without refueling for the entire operation. Some crews noted that at stops for refueling tanks "Abrams" BMP "Bradley" never had less fuel than 1 / 2 ... 3 / 4 tank level.

3. General deficiencies in the operation of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles

Although the supply of spare parts was satisfactory in the theater area of ​​military operations, there were many shortcomings in the system of their distribution among units. Some units experienced a significant shortage of spare parts, while others had them in abundance. Much of the spare parts did not reach the units for which they were intended. Therefore, most of the divisions sent their representatives to the central base in the port of Dhahran, and they were forced to sort through mountains of containers in search of the necessary spare parts. Units sometimes exchanged spare parts with each other or took them from machines that went down.

By the beginning of the fighting in a short time, the supply of spare parts from the USA and Germany in such quantities was ensured that the specialists of material and technical services did not know what spare parts they had or where they were stored. Registration of applications for parts sometimes took several days, in particular, due to the incompatibility of computer systems and formats. Then there were problems with transport. The army did not have enough vehicles, many of which were unreliable and outdated designs. The combat units changed their location and were hard to find.

Crew members, commanders and army experts indicated that improved optics were necessary for the sight of the Abrams tanks and the Bradley BMP. Although the gunners were able to see potential targets at a distance of 4 000 and more, the images had the appearance of “hot spots”. The identification of targets, i.e., the recognition of “friend or foe” was possible only at 1500 distances ... 2 000 m in clear weather and 500 ... 600 m and less when it rained. The main armament of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles could hit targets outside these ranges: ATGM TOU - at a distance of 3750 m, 120-mm cannon - 3000 m and more, 25-mm cannon "Bradley" - 2500 m.

The inability to identify targets at distances corresponding to the range of the weapons, limited the combat effectiveness of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. The crews indicated in the reports that they were delaying the opening of fire, waiting for the outlines of the targets to become clear.

The army experts simultaneously noted that the characteristics of the sights of the Abrams tanks and the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle exceeded the corresponding figures of Iraqi vehicles, due to which the American tanks and BMPs had a significant tactical advantage. Crews of Iraqi vehicles often simply did not see US tanks when they were firing.

The inability of crews to identify targets at long distances was one of the reasons for the large number of cases of erroneous shelling of their battle formations. So, there were 28 cases of their own fire, and in 10 cases, the shells hit the target. Some crews of the BMP "Bradley" admitted that they were afraid to get under the fire of the Abrams tank than they did under enemy fire. They also noted that the Bradley car could easily have been mistaken for long distances as an enemy's BMP.

During the fighting, various methods of identifying “friend-foe” were used: applying an inverted “V” sign on the car, attaching orange-colored panels, putting on color glass caps on the stern lights, setting bright blinking lights, setting the national flag, etc. All these measures had limited efficiency due to weather conditions, long ranges and the inability of thermal devices to distinguish individual details of the target.

In connection with the incidents mentioned, the US Department of the Army has taken certain steps to address the identification of “friend or foe”. Immediately after the events in the Persian Gulf, a special organization was approved to work out the identification of “friend or foe”. It is assigned the task of checking and introducing changes to the doctrine for the near future and for the next years, concerning the creation of an effective identification system of the friend-foe, as well as training, promising developments and material support. With the help of this organization, a number of projects are planned.

The US Department of the Army also believes that the use of sophisticated navigation equipment will help identify “friend or foe”. If the commander knows exactly where his car is and where other units are located, then it is easier for him to figure out where are “his”, where is “alien”. Currently, combat units and support services do not have a sufficient number of effective navigation systems. Combat units have one or two navigation systems per company, or approximately one for every 6 ... 12 vehicles. In the fighting, "Desert Storm" used two types of navigation systems: Loran-C and GPS. Loran-C locates based on beacon signals located on ground installations. In Saudi Arabia, a network of radio beacons was installed on the ground. To use existing infrastructure, the US Department of the Army purchased 6000 receivers. In the course of hostilities, the Loran-C system made it possible for machine commanders to determine their location with accuracy to 300 m.

The GPS navigation system uses signals from satellites. On the BMP "Bradley" and tanks "Abrams" installed small SLGR receivers that received satellite signals. SLGR receivers allowed commanders to locate machines with 16 accuracy ... 30 meters. 8 000 SLGR devices were also purchased, of which 3500 were delivered to machines. The crews were able to use both systems, but the SLGR was preferred because of the increased accuracy in determining the coordinates. According to the commanders, crews and army officials, the US ground forces units would not be able to locate without navigation systems. Navigation systems made it possible for US units to quickly cross the poorly protected desert in Eastern Iraq and cut off Iraqi troops in Kuwait. The captured Iraqi general pointed to the use of the SLGR as an example when Iraqis were beaten by high American technology.

Parts of support such as repair and maintenance services, logistics, also used SLGR to locate. The engineering service of the 24 Infantry Division used the SLGR for laying new combat tracks.

The personnel of the tank units of the US Army praised the advantages of GPS navigation systems and spoke in favor of installing them on all tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. There were also suggestions to install GPS receivers on the Bradley BMP and Abrams tanks.

The Ministry of the Army, in conjunction with other organizations, is developing military standards and requirements for a new family of GPS navigation system PLGR receivers. Although commercial PLGR receivers worked well, they did not fully meet military standards. The Ministry of the Army plans to purchase commercial receivers and modify them in accordance with the requirements of the military.

The Ministry of the Army is also considering expanding the use of the global GPS navigation system in all combat and training units. The first step in this direction can be the installation of receivers on most ground combat vehicles. There is a requirement that every combat vehicle be equipped with GPS navigation equipment, and in support groups every second vehicle. The Arms Acquisition Advisory Council should soon decide on the full-scale production of NAUSTAR GPS systems. According to experts, the cost of the program for the production of 55 thousand GPS systems will be 6 billion.

Attaching great importance to eliminating cases of “on their own” because of poor identification of targets, the Ministry of the Army developed a long-term 9-year plan for research and development (R & D), the results of which will be phased in.

At the first stage (1992-1994) the combat vehicles in the park (infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, helicopters, self-propelled artillery mounts, etc.) will be equipped with the available navigation and identification means: GPS integrated navigation receivers built into the military standards, thermal beacons.

At the same time, the second stage begins - the development of more modern navigation and identification systems based on the latest technologies. Their implementation can begin with 1995-1996.

The third stage, the terms of which extend beyond 2000, provides for the implementation of fundamental and exploratory research on the creation of embedded multi-functional means of identification, navigation, and integrated information processing. Information about specific areas of research is not available.

The R & D plan is supposed to coordinate at each of the stages of work of the combat equipment and fire control systems entering the troops with the automated systems of reconnaissance, communications and command and control entered into service.

The commanders and crew members of the BMP and the tanks indicated in their reports that their radio stations were not working reliably. Most of the Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and Abrams tanks that participated in the hostilities were equipped with VRC-12 radio stations of 1960 release. In the 1 reconnaissance divisions, the radio stations failed due to overheating. Crew members had to put wet towels on the radio to protect them from overheating. Some crews carried several spare radio stations. In some cases, armored units communicated using signal flags.

Several years ago, the Ministry of the Army recognized the need to develop a new type of radio station. In 1974, tactical and technical requirements were approved. In 1983, work began on a contract to develop an improved radio station SINGARS. However, in the US military units, by the start of Operation Desert Storm, only one battalion of the 1 Reconnaissance Division was equipped with new serial SINGARS radio stations. According to the commanders' comments, the new radio stations provided stable and reliable radio communication in the 50 radius of km. In combat, SINGARS radio stations had a time between failures 7 000 h compared to 250 h obsolete radio station VRC-12. Before the 1998, the Ministry of the Army plans to supply SINGARS with a total number of 150 000 units to the troops, and with 1998 to begin developing and adopting the next model of radio station. It is not yet determined whether this will be a new type of radio station or an upgraded SINGARS.

In conclusion, it should be noted the insufficiently effective operation of support and support vehicles, which in some cases made it difficult for BMPs and tanks to operate. BREM M-88А1 worked unreliable and often could not evacuate tanks M-1А1. There was an insufficient number of transporters for the transfer of tanks and heavy equipment. According to crew reports, the speed of the Abrams tank and the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle slowed down so that the M-109 self-propelled artillery and support vehicles based on the M-113 armored personnel carrier could overtake them. The exception was made by cars on the basis of the modernized M-113A3. The unsatisfactory mobility of wheeled trucks, which hampered their interaction with tanks, was also noted.

Conclusion. The analysis of defects and shortcomings in the operation of the Abrams tank and the Bradley BMP allowed the American specialists to take them into account when adjusting the development plan for the models of armored vehicles and their systems. In this case, the timing of the proposed implementation of the event is divided into two groups: priority, based on well-developed technical solutions, and activities that require R & D. The first group includes:
-installation on tanks and infantry fighting vehicles of more advanced opto-electronic devices (with increased multiplicity and increased resolution), which improve the recognition of targets at long ranges;
-installation on the Abrams tanks with the modernization of an independent commanding thermal imager;
-Injection into the power plant of the Abrams tank of an electronic fuel supply control unit, a self-cleaning air cleaner, fuel-boosting fuel pumps of increased reliability;
-installation of temporary means on the chassis of the tank and BMP, which facilitate the identification of "their" and "alien" machines (thermal beacons, thermal tapes, etc.);
-Equipment of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles elements of the navigation system;
-Installation on the BMP laser rangefinder.
The activities of the second group include:
- the use of built-in receivers of satellite GPS navigation system combined with the automated reconnaissance, control and communication system implemented on modernized machines on tanks and BMPs;
- installation of an autonomous power supply unit on the Abrams tank;
-increasing reverse speed and installing the driver's thermal imaging device (for the Bradley BMP.
In addition, adjustments have been made to the development plans for support and maintenance vehicles, since the existing fleet of these vehicles did not interact satisfactorily with tanks and infantry fighting vehicles due to lower mobility.
Article submitted to the editorial board of 20.06.94.


Gur Khan: An article from a secret journal just recently - you read and understand: it's not for nothing that secrets! For envy take how quickly Americans work. They immediately collected information, analyzed, gave the industry assignments for refinement and modernization - got the result. Why do we have any slip all the time? After all, we see our own mistakes, and we are learning from others, and the events have been developed a long time ago, various new designs have been invented, but almost none of this is being introduced, and if it is being introduced then in some short and cropped versions, in extremely small quantities. It seems that in our Government and the Ministry of Defense in particular, all the pests are sitting. One message that the whole of Russia has enough 2000 tanks is worth something! Read above - the USA attracted more than 3000 tanks to only one local operation, of which more than 2000 were directly deployed in combat units. It's a shame, however ...
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  1. +1
    3 February 2012 09: 36
    Tired of watching them advertise their weapons. By the way, far from the best.
    1. +3
      3 February 2012 17: 30
      Padded abrams
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaswXzplQwM
      1. Dmitry.V
        0
        4 February 2012 12: 37
        To favorites.
        The best look at the abrams from the sight of an RPG.
        1. -2
          8 February 2012 20: 28
          The best look at the abrams from the sight of an RPG.
          This is likely to be the last thing you see in your life!
    2. DEATH UWB
      +1
      22 February 2012 10: 45
      this is not an advertisement they teach
      Xia on their mistakes. but they don’t have armor
  2. grizzlir
    +10
    3 February 2012 09: 42
    Why our designers do not take into account the experience of the combat use of Russian tanks. In any case, I have not heard about the full-scale collection of information about how the machine behaves in combat conditions, mostly the combatants write about the advantages and disadvantages of our vehicles in the media. the government decided to put an end to tank building?
    1. Sergh
      +12
      3 February 2012 09: 49
      Yes, our designers can and in the know, only the Bosch generals are clogged with something else. They either don’t like it, then something else, but specifically formulate the justified mission of the military-industrial complex, they don’t have enough brains, there is nobody toli, or maybe half of the generals have completely forgotten what the army is!
      1. +13
        3 February 2012 10: 27
        Quote: Sergh
        Yes, our designers can and in the know, only the Bosch generals are clogged with something else.

        Generals can actually tell what the troops need. Unfortunately, now the wrong generals are dealing with these issues in the wrong way, observing who, how and with what result decides questions in the military-technical field, you will inevitably come to the conclusion that the "Stalinist repressions" had a deep meaning.

        In the USSR, an effective public administration system was in place that regulates all the multifaceted aspects of the development of the design of the main tank and its production.
        • New wave managers: mountain managers together with mountain analysts destroyed this system under the auspices of private inventions that “wars will be non-contact”, “we have too many tanks”, “tank armies are not needed”, “automated control systems will ensure success” etc. It would probably be worthwhile to remind the old military axiom that “the territory is not considered occupied if the soldier’s foot hasn’t stepped on it”, and nowadays - the wheels and tracks of military vehicles. In this case, a contactless war becomes contact and erroneous thoughts and political misconceptions can easily can be knocked out by hitting the butt on the head with the manager or the analyst. Indeed, the soldier-invader, due to insufficient education and horizons, may not know that wars can be contactless. Unfortunately, many forget that history has the sad property of repeating itself in its worst manifestations. And in the world around us, one does not feel universal peace, an increase in political thoughtlessness, and sometimes even frankly insolent disregard for Russia's position in interstate relations.

        • It would be very useful for several representatives from power structures to participate in a simple experiment as independent experts. Without wasting time studying the instruction manual - put on the tanker's uniform and alternately just sit at the workplace of the driver, gunner and commander of any modern main tank standing in service. During the experiment, each of the participants can carefully examine how the weapons and ammunition are placed , batteries, surveillance devices, sights and control panels, mechanisms and drives. It is desirable that the tray from the used propellant charge lay on the breech of the gun, you can estimate its weight with your hand and voluntarily (if there is a mood) tap it on the headset several times - the curator officer will tell you the details in the colors. But most importantly, the officer-curator should be posed with annoying questions “what will happen if ...”
        I think that after this (or similar) simple experiment, independent experts on the sidelines and at work sessions (in convincing expressions) will share their feelings with colleagues - and some kind of lobby can be formed, which at the state level will monitor and ask for all the shortcomings in the industry .
        1. +8
          3 February 2012 13: 54
          As for the Stalinist repressions in the army, it was noticed correctly ... if Joseph Vissarionovich appeared now, I think the military elite would have been thinned out a little more than completely ....
    2. DEATH UWB
      +1
      22 February 2012 10: 45
      http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w2/tanki.htm
  3. Inzhengr
    +3
    3 February 2012 09: 48
    Impressed
  4. +7
    3 February 2012 09: 52
    Enemy tanks did not destroy a single Abrams tank.
    Some crews noted in reports that further on direct hits from Iraqi T-72 tanks, M-1A1 tanks received minimal damage. One case is given when the T-72 tank fired twice at the Abrams tank from a distance of 2 meters. As a result, one shell ricocheted, another stuck in the armor

    Well, that depresses
    But we don’t have any thermal imagers at all, and we don’t see any work on errors, unfortunately
    1. +3
      3 February 2012 10: 27
      Quote: Kyrgyz
      There is one case in which the T-72 tank twice fired at the Abrams tank from a distance of 2 000 meters. As a result, one projectile ricocheted, another stuck in armor

      Well, that depresses

      In vain. You read the sources - you will learn interesting things - for example, that Iraqi tanks were armed with armor-piercing shells that were removed from service in the Soviet army in the 70-s.
      Quote: Kyrgyz
      But we don’t have any thermal imagers at all, and we don’t see any work on errors, unfortunately

      Well, you were completely upset with thermal imagers for a long time, and the latest modifications of the T-90 are pretty serious
      1. +5
        3 February 2012 10: 52
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        In vain. You read the sources - you will learn interesting things - for example, that Iraqi tanks were armed with armor-piercing shells that were removed from service in the Soviet army in the 70-s.

        And then they were taken back into service in Chechnya - also from sources
        1. ivachum
          +1
          3 February 2012 14: 27
          And what, Abrams were spotted in Chechnya? wink
    2. slan
      +2
      3 February 2012 22: 33
      In fact, 2000 m is the maximum range of a direct shot. In other words, the T-72 calmly and very successfully shot a tank devoid of effective armor (no dynamic protection) and representing one continuous weakened zone with the exception of a pair of frontal plates, and only the type of projectile and a favorable combination of circumstances saved the Abrams from destruction.
      So it turns out? Or are there any other interpretations for whom?
      You don’t have to think, what are we reading before you groan?
  5. dmitri077
    +1
    3 February 2012 11: 52
    Thanks for the article, I've already read it, but it's still interesting to refresh your memory. Understanding of their own problems and work on mistakes are put on a good level by the Americans. Calmly, measuredly and in a businesslike manner, without throwing and hysterics. I would like to get acquainted with the analysis of Russian technology in the Chechen war. And most importantly, the real "work" of vehicles with enhanced mine protection of Russian production ... 17 years of war has been going on, it's time to take stock
  6. Gur
    +2
    3 February 2012 11: 58
    Enlighten the people ... the current tanks .. you can destroy a bunch of anti-tank grenades .. or just break the trucks ??
    1. Region71
      +10
      3 February 2012 12: 31
      A bunch of grenades, even in a WWII tank, could only be immobilized by damaging the undercarriage, or if, under a successful set of circumstances, getting a bunch on the motor shield and the engine was damaged. But these are isolated cases. GUR whose tanks were going to undermine? smile
      1. ivachum
        +4
        3 February 2012 14: 29
        It is possible and fragmentation ..... if the crew helpfully opens you hatches and allows you to throw it into them ..... am
    2. Hans grohman
      +3
      3 February 2012 18: 27
      Of those that still have to be in warehouses, I only know RKG-3 (the rest of the jet RPG-18, etc.). Why in a bunch? If you get into the uncovered portion of the roof / top of the hull, there will be a break.
      The ligament does not increase efficiency, rather, on the contrary, you need to throw one grenade.
      1. Region71
        +5
        3 February 2012 22: 50
        A bunch was made mainly of fragmentation RGD-43 grenades for lack of anti-tank, sometimes they put a TNT block in a bunch. As a bunch to hit a tank, for me it’s a mystery, war is not a movie. Throwing such a design to a long distance and it’s possible to lie, but if throwing a short range grenade launcher fell under the fragments of their own grenades. The RCG, the invention of the post-war period, struck armored vehicles with a cumulative jet. The greatest effect of the RCG was reached as far as I remember when the upper shield of the engine compartment was damaged, that is, a throw to the rear of the tank. Then, as Hans Grohman wrote, flies and other anti-tank insects.
  7. +5
    3 February 2012 12: 24
    The most interesting thing is that there are so many statements about the penetration, complete dominance, destruction of Soviet-made tanks from beyond the limits of both Abrams tanks and the English Challenger
    and the powder burned out did not dissipate, but they rushed to modernize their tanks, and new shells, and new armor, and new SLAs — billions of dollars and pounds sterling spent --- and for example the English Challenger is also not wrecked --- it turns into an 2 Challenger and this is after a collision with the old, export Soviet T-72.

    And so the run-in for the Americans took place in greenhouse conditions, and the Iraqi regrets showed that they can fight only with Kuwait.
    1. Region71
      +4
      3 February 2012 12: 33
      Somewhere there was information that in Iraq the T-72s were armed with old armor-piercing ammunition withdrawn from service in the USSR. Therefore, the low efficiency of the T-72 gun against coalition tanks.
  8. gans
    +3
    3 February 2012 13: 03
    The war of 91 years, basically bombed Iraq, I doubt that Iraq used T72 when attacking Kuwait. Pindos stupidly shot Iraqis fleeing Kuwait and shot their own along the way - there was no war as such-surrounded by bombed the rest with automatic grenade launchers - the mustache war ended. 41 countries took part in this massacre
  9. 755962
    +3
    3 February 2012 14: 19
    Analytics is a delicate matter. The life of soldiers in the future depends on its conclusions. Something like this ..
  10. Tyumen
    +7
    3 February 2012 14: 31
    T-72S from the division of the Republican Guard of Iraq * Tavalkan * during a fierce battle in February 1991 on the outskirts of Basra, which lasted two days in conditions of poor visibility, they actually defeated the American armored units, stopping the advance of the anti-Iraq coalition forces and forcing it to abandon plans to march on Baghdad. Then the Americans left 72 wounded Abrams on the battlefield.
    Can any of the specialists comment on these lines? Can, Professor ?
    1. +4
      3 February 2012 16: 17
      Unfortunately (especially for me), besides these lines there is nothing to confirm them.
      1. Tyumen
        +3
        3 February 2012 16: 35
        Below Andryukha confirmed, well done. It is interesting that our opposition will now say.
        1. +5
          3 February 2012 16: 40
          What did they confirm there? Why deceive ourselves? This is stupid.


          According to official US statistics, directly in battles, the United States lost 147 people. 12 are still missing, and presumably dead. However, in the modest column “Other deaths” there are 223 people - more than died in the battles! Of these, 126 - military personnel of the ground forces, 15 - Air Force, 44 - KMP, 50 - Navy. Apparently, these are those who died as a result of illnesses, accidents, explosions on mines, as well as those whose circumstances of death remained unclear. Thus, the irretrievable losses of Americans in the theater of operations in the period from August 7 1990 to September 14 1991 amounted to 382 people (with missing persons). The United States lost 467 people to the wounded (meaning survivors, only four died from wounds, and they are included in the statistics of the dead).


          The effects of the Camp Doha fire


          American casualties in military equipment were the 25 BMD "Bradley" and the 1 self-propelled gun. Losses of the latest M1A1 Abrams tanks were not initially recognized by the American command, but later the loss of 9 tanks was officially recognized. An analysis of the combat episodes described above shows that at least 11 tanks of this type were destroyed in battles (of which 5 was “friendly fire”). It is worth saying that these figures are ambiguous. According to Y. Spasibukhov (Tankomaster magazine, a special issue dedicated to Abrams), during the Desert Storm, Americans lost at least 50 tanks. Here he actually contradicts himself, referring to the allegations of the Soviet military attache in Iraq that only one tank battle in the area of ​​Saman airbase killed 68 American tanks. The latter clearly looks like a fiction, given that the battle with such American losses in armored vehicles should inevitably be epic in scope, which means it should be reflected in military-historical literature, cinema, and publications on the Internet, such as the Battle of 73 Easting. Specialists could conduct research on how Iraqis, with the technical superiority of the enemy, managed to thresh so many American tanks. But there is none of this. But the figure in 50 "Abrams" lost during the whole war may turn out to be close to reality. There could be non-combat losses: explosions on mines, fires, accidents. And they were - as, for example, in the photo of the consequences of the fire that led to the detonation of artillery ammunition at the Camp Doha military base in July1991. As a result of this incident, more than 100 combat vehicles were destroyed, among them were the M1A1 tanks - a fact that the Americans themselves recognize.
          1. Tyumen
            +4
            3 February 2012 16: 49
            Quote: Kars
            As a result of this incident, more than 100 combat vehicles were destroyed,

            The loss of hundreds of armored vehicles from the fire seems to me no more plausible than 68 wrecked tanks. We, too, warehouses began to burn, there were all sorts of versions. . .
            1. +4
              3 February 2012 17: 11
              Let me read carefully, have you agreed?
              Quote: Kars
              destroyed over 100 combat vehicles

              Quote: Tyumen 35
              hundreds of armored vehicles

              and then nothing will seem to you.
              Basra is the Iraqi territory --- the evacuation of 72 60-ton wrecked tanks from the battlefield under fire (according to your tavalkan on the outskirts of BASRA, it remained operational) is even less plausible ---- otherwise there is no explanation of the lack of photos and video materials about this a cemetery of armor, and there were still dozens of armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and corpses.

              Both February and June are a rather long period between events - especially.

              I repeat ---- self-deception, this is even worse than just a hoax.
              1. Tyumen
                0
                4 February 2012 13: 43
                Yes, I kind of wrote loss of hundreds(one), not hundreds.
                1. +1
                  4 February 2012 14: 48
                  Quote: Tyumen 35
                  armored vehicles

                  и
                  Quote: Kars
                  combat vehicles

                  combat vehicle is not necessarily armored, and continuing about
                  Quote: Tyumen 35
                  We, too, warehouses began to burn, there were all sorts of versions. . .

                  our warehouses are on fire, usually before the audit, and if the United States had planned an audit, and it was necessary .. otmazatsa .. from the loss of the Abrams near Bassra --- then it would burn from 68 to 72 Abrams in a pazhar.

                  And then the Yankee SAMs Patriot exploded at about the same time, and they, too, can then be written to the Iraqi combat account
  11. dred
    +1
    3 February 2012 16: 04
    Again abrams yes nonsense. Dumb advertising.
  12. +16
    3 February 2012 16: 06
    S. Ustyantsev, D. Kolmakov. Fighting vehicles of the Uralvagonzavod. Tank T-72
    Chapter 4. BATTLE FIRE AND MEDIA COPPER PIPES

    The West German television channel ZDF in a special program showed a desert dotted with broken tanks, allegedly of the T-72 type. True, upon careful examination, it was found that for the most part these were Israeli M60A1 American-made, literally chopped off by a lot of hits. The T-72 tank, on the contrary, was shown only one, but cunningly, from different sides, so as to create the impression of many cars. There were no holes on it, and some details (put on the manhole cover stoppers, neatly removed external fuel tanks and machine guns, prepared for towing the ropes) indicated that this car was damaged for some reason and then was destroyed by the Syrian crew so as not to get the enemy. In general, frank juggling, but quite professional and for an ignorant audience, is quite spectacular [11].

    And one more remark about the battles in Lebanon in 1982. According to some information, it was here that the "seventy-two" first met with "Abrams" M1... The result of a short battle at a distance of about 800 m turned out to be sad for the Americans: two M1s were hit by direct hits in the towers, one, taking advantage of the speed advantage, ran. Syrian T-72s also received two shells: one hit the front of the turret, but did not pierce the armor and only concussed the crew. The second shell hit the engine and disabled the tank. In general, a clear and obvious victory of the "seventy-two" [15].

    After Lebanon, the next battlefield for the "seventy-two and" was the deserts and swamps of the Iranian-Iraqi border. During the long-term (1980 - 1988) war of two neighboring states, Iranian tankers who fought on American M60 tanks, after the very first clashes with Iraqi T-72s, were ordered to engage in open battle only with a numerical superiority of at least 5 to 1.

    An unsurpassed record in the number of attacks and outright lies about the combat qualities of the T-72 was achieved in the western descriptions of Operation Desert Storm (February - March 1991). Unlike the Israeli specialists, who neatly "directed" the journalists, but still provided the opportunity to observe the battlefield, the American military supplied the media with a "ready-made" and, naturally, carefully edited picture. With regard to tank forces, it boiled down to two points:
    - American "Abrams" are invulnerable and did not suffer any losses from the fire of Iraqi tanks;
    - in duel battles “Abrams” (only M1A1 and M1A1NA took part in them) and “seventy-two” the latter were struck from any distance, in any projection, with the first shot and in incredible quantities.
    In general, one can feel the firm hand and school of the Minister of Propaganda of Hitlerite Germany, Dr. J. Goebbels, with his immortal dictum: "The more absurd the lie, the more often it must be repeated in order for everyone to believe in it." Not without a shudder, let us turn to Western "sources", which in recent years have been translated into Russian in large numbers and have been poured down on the heads of Russian inhabitants in thousands of copies.
    Thus, A. Russell in his book "Tanks of Modern Armies" states: "At least seven M1A1s received direct hits from 125mm T-72 shells, and in no case did American tanks receive any serious damage. In one case, M1A1 received two direct hits from T-72 fired at a distance of 500 meters by ATGMs, which simply bounced off his frontal armor "[17]. F. Truitt's essay refers to the M1 model, armed with a 105-mm cannon: “During the 1991 Gulf War, the Abrams proved to be the best tanks in the world, smashing Iraqi T-72s with impunity, not a single Abrams was destroyed by enemy fire "[18]. The statements are amazing in their absurdity. It is well known that the Iraqi troops were armed with T-72M and T-72M1 tanks, which were not equipped with a guided weapon system, and could not fire any missiles, except perhaps signal ones. Not surprisingly, the latter bounced off the Abrams armor. Second: M1 tanks, armed with a 105-mm cannon, according to American data, generally did not participate in duel battles with the T-72 and went in the second echelon of allied troops. The Americans knew perfectly well that the 105-mm gun was powerless against the Ural armor, and used the M1 to "finish off" the surviving and surrounded pockets of resistance. In tank battles, only M1A1 tanks were used, the production of which began in December 1985, and the newest M1A1NA (Heavy Armor), produced since 1989 [19].

    Nikol'skiy's book "US Battle Tanks" contains stories of American tank crews about battles in Kuwait in 1991. The general tone is absolutely victorious, we will only reproduce a few phrases: "At a distance of 2100 m, the simpler T-72 had no chance against" Abrams "- armor-piercing shells with uranium cores entered the armor of Iraqi tanks like a knife in butter. ATGM" TOU "mounted on the BMP" Bradley "also easily hit targets ..." "We continued the defeat of the Iraqi tank battalion after we blew up the warehouse There was an intolerable smell of burning diesel fuel, plastic, melting metal in the air, ammunition exploded in the burning equipment. " After each battle, American units reported on dozens of defeated "seventy-two" vehicles and many other armored vehicles. As a result of the entire operation, the American command reported 18 destroyed Abrams, 9 of them by the fire of "friendly" equipment, and 9 more were blown up by mines. The Iraqi army, on the other hand, lost, according to Western data, about 2000 tanks in battles with American units alone, and this was done with the minimum ammunition consumption for the Yankees. Mikhail V. Nikolsky at the end of his essay on Operation Desert Storm could not stand it and ended it with the following comment: "The above descriptions of tank battles in the Gulf are made on the basis of publications in the English and American press. These publications are very reminiscent of the fairy tales" A Thousand and One nights "[20].

    Of course, the M1A1 and M1A1NA Abrams were superior to the Iraqi seventy-two, roughly equal to the Soviet T-72 produced in 1974. 15 years for tank building is a long time; the first Soviet production tank, the "toddler" MS-1, and the T-34-85 share the same time period. American tanks had a 120-mm cannon and the latest sub-caliber shells with a depleted uranium core; and М1А1НА also frontal armor reinforced with the same uranium. Soviet sub-caliber 125-mm projectiles of the 1960-1970s. they could not hit her. Nevertheless, the fighting did not at all resemble the beating of the weakest. Only in one of the battles near the Saman air base did the Americans lose 68 tanks, and they were mostly "Abrams". The Soviet military attaché in Iraq, Colonel V. Potsalyuk, sent home a set of photographs with distorted American equipment. It turned out that the M1A1 tank could be destroyed at a distance of up to 800 by hitting the frontal projection, and only the M1A1NA could withstand the shelling of the T-72 [21] gun.

    Information about the real losses of the American army in tanks is not published today.

    SV Suvorov, referring to the professional American military magazines "Army" and "Armor", describes the tactics used by the Americans to combat the Iraqi T-72 tanks. Most often, mixed groups of M1A1 Abrams tanks and Bradley infantry fighting vehicles entered the battle, fire was fired from distances of 3 km or more. Using the advantage in reconnaissance means (let us recall, American aviation dominated in the air), they tried to bypass the enemy and hit the T-72 in the side or stern. By the way, the Americans entered into fire contact only after creating a decisive superiority in forces [24].

    Reliable data the number of Iraqi "seventy-two" killed and the means used for this were published only in 2000 by the Journal of Battlefield Technics in an article by CMS engineer M. Held [25]. The author and his company were engaged in clearing the American sector of hostilities from Iraqi equipment, mines, shells and other traces of war. Iraqi tanks were collected for analysis in special "collections"; in total, 308 vehicles were discovered and studied (it is interesting to know where another 1700 tanks disappeared, according to all reports destroyed?). At the same time, it turned out that only 25% of them had combat damage, the rest were simply abandoned. Among those actually wrecked, the bulk were T-55 and T-62 tanks, T-72 accounted for only 18%, or 14 defeats out of 78 examined. 70% of the holes were made by cumulative ammunition, as a rule, this is an ATGM, and the BPS accounts for only 20% of hits. Another 10% refer to all other means of destruction - bombs, mines, etc. If the holes from the cumulative shells were more or less evenly distributed over the four projections of the destroyed tanks, then only ONE tank was hit in the forehead with an APCR shell! Its type is not specified, but based on the overall ratio of damaged vehicles, it was most likely a T-55.

    In general, the reader is stubbornly forced upon the idea that the really large funds allocated in the Soviet era in the military-industrial complex have gone nowhere, in contrast to the highly effective activities of Western industrialists. It only remains to add: "Maybe it's time for us to re-purchase patents and licenses for the production of Western, or even better - American armored vehicles? There is no use from Russian design bureaus and will not be." This idea has not yet been explicitly voiced, but it is obviously assumed.
    1. DEATH UWB
      +1
      22 February 2012 10: 44
      http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w2/tanki.htm
  13. Old prdun
    -1
    3 February 2012 18: 02
    As I understand it, this analytical note was not written for the media.
  14. Kostyan
    -9
    3 February 2012 18: 16
    that’s all ... here’s the answer to all the cries of the urapatriots ..... all of us, but ...... and I must admit it ..... sad .. very sad .. about my page I finally I am silent .. everyone is going to fight ... mud .. how crazy ... threatens the whole world .... I hope he will die first with his bastard and slurp .....
  15. +3
    3 February 2012 18: 50
    The article is good, though the publication date is embarrassing - 1994 year. At that time, it was very fashionable to pour mud over everything Soviet and elevate everything Western, especially American. In addition, all such magazines sin with corporate selfishness, write what is beneficial to a particular influence group, and very rarely when truth is beneficial. On the other hand, all the data is good for any source, a cross-analysis of such sources allows us to isolate the truth.
    In light of this publication, I have only one question - the Americans are great businessmen, there are no export bans on these tanks, but why are the Abrams and Bradley not leaders in world tank exports? Probably, given that, any sample of weapons and military equipment is totality the most diverse properties, both positive and negative, the latter more. The classic case when the market put everything in its place.
  16. PIZDEC82
    +2
    3 February 2012 19: 24
    I think that for the most part - lies ..))) these Yankees are lying ...
    1. Aleksey67
      +1
      3 February 2012 19: 25
      Quote: PIZDEC82
      I think that for the most part - lies ..))) these Yankees are lying ...


      Well here lies a strategic lie. Everyone hides their weaknesses + advertising for sales success
  17. slan
    +5
    3 February 2012 22: 40
    I read and thought, the professor posted the article again))
    How can such an outright bullshit as "Abrams" be so shamelessly praised? But the promotion does not know a sense of proportion))
  18. +4
    3 February 2012 23: 29
    Some time ago, a discussion started on the Popular Mechanic about the confrontation ... I decided to find out what a real colonel a tanker thinks about it ... The answer .... Abrams is a decorative lap-dog not adapted for a real tank battle ...
    1. +1
      3 February 2012 23: 36
      Well, somehow the difference in the crew and volume of 19 instead of 9 cubic meters should be reflected.
    2. ab
      ab
      -8
      4 February 2012 00: 04
      [quote = ward] I decided to find out what a real colonel a tanker thinks about this ... Answer .... Abrams is a decorative lap-dog not adapted for a real tank battle ... [/ qu
      probably an Iraqi colonel.
      1. Argentum
        +7
        4 February 2012 00: 08
        ab oh yes, but is it normal that the abrams is stitched to the side and the butt from RPG7? Is it normal to burn it by thermal radiation? Is it okay to weigh more than 48 tons? Or a tower the size of a garden house?
      2. +1
        4 February 2012 11: 07
        Well, of course, in Israel it’s hard to find a working Russian colonel of a tanker, but if you try .....
  19. slan
    +7
    3 February 2012 23: 42
    To appreciate the "Abrams", you need to watch American films or translations of articles about "Shermans", compare them with the memoirs of Soviet tankmen who dealt with this "masterpiece of the American design school" and apply the resulting coefficient to American "estimates" of the effectiveness of this misunderstanding with a gasoline engine bolted to the outside of the hypertrophied tower.
    1. +5
      4 February 2012 01: 14
      By the way, Sherman’s best marks will be.

      He was surprised when he read the memoirs of Hero of the Soviet Union D. Loza
      ..Tankist on a foreign car ..

      And Abrams can be estimated quite easily ---- a very, very serious machine, and no matter how much the Iraqi T-72 would not tell an export version that has been in operation for more than a dozen years, it’s fought in the Iran-Iraq war, with shot barrels , without spare parts --- embargo - they are not a rival.

      Abrams M1A1 is the last T-80U and to some extent the T-72BV to hit the teeth --- and then only day, night with active night-vision devices it will be difficult for our machines.
      In principle, all the latest 3 + vehicles are very similar to the inherent flaws of each car, and one-on-one comparisons will not give a real picture. They are not fighting tanks, but systems.
    2. Bidjo66
      +1
      4 February 2012 17: 34
      Talking about American tanks of the Second World War, and more specifically the Pershing M 26 ... watch the battle in which the M 26 and the German Panther met. How many hits, what perspective and in general. Soviet soldiers tankers are certainly the best, and we won them in WWII, but the Germans always fought very well, in the video the "Panther" is already damaged and not on the move, but the crew did not leave the car, but fought in it to the end ..

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__o2gQzpaK0 -- Посмотрите внимательно этот бой.
    3. gor
      gor
      0
      8 February 2012 17: 18
      you were supplied to an educated union only with diesel engines the same as for the U.S. kmp. as then Soviet tankers remember gasoline engines. The option may be that the Soviet tankers themselves did not know what gasoline was and what solarium. the beginning of the war there was a case when an entire regiment was replaced with gasoline instead of a solarium
  20. +1
    4 February 2012 11: 12
    I don’t understand not in a polytechnic, not in cars, not in medicine .... But if I need to, I will always find someone to ask ...
  21. Nechai
    +3
    4 February 2012 14: 29
    Quote: Kyrgyz
    Some crews noted in reports that further on direct hits from Iraqi T-72 tanks, M-1A1 tanks received minimal damage.

    Some are survivors. The logistics of repair and logistics negated the existing advantages. Forced to stop generally insistent actions. Another question is that the Iraqi side did not use this. In a private conversation, already in Germany, the commander of Abrams said that the point is that the failed MTO contents are changing rapidly, if you have to wait for this almost for days. To the crew alone in whose territory it is not clear. Fuel supply is a separate issue (at the discretion). A cannon is a class, a SOW is good - everything in the complex CAN hit targets oh, how far. In reality, combat contact takes place at several hundred meters. And they cannot recognize who the BR has been beamed at. "Beat your own, Schaub were afraid of strangers!" / for the sake of truth, it must be admitted that the Iraqis often provoked them into friendly fire on their neighbors /. The fact that the amers in every possible way conceal the size of the damaged equipment, I was personally convinced by the pictures of the Abrams train arriving at the plant. For the most part, only for cutting and suitable.
    Quote: Old prdun
    As I understand it, this analytical note was not written for the media.

    Yes Yes. As always, the leak is to blame. Valorous independent correspondents, applaud them .... The victory in Iraq is presented as the victory of American weapons, a soldier, etc. But in real life, the DOLLAR VICTORY reappeared! What is intensely hushed up. As the fate of those who bought their handout and surrendered their homeland. Well, naturally marketing is all the best in America! Buy it! We can lease and borrow on certain conditions.
  22. ab
    ab
    -6
    4 February 2012 14: 39
    Quote: Nechai
    The fact that the amers in every possible way conceal the size of the wrecked equipment was personally convinced by me, pictures of the Abrams train arriving at the plant. For the most part, only for cutting and suitable.

    And the fact that Iraq was completely unchecked in 3 weeks did not convince you?
  23. wall
    +5
    4 February 2012 14: 54
    Ha ha ha ....... About two years ago I watched an interesting feature film based on real (!!!) events about how Bradley was designed and created. Neighing really. I thought earlier that the kickback system and the usual slut ... only we have, and was pleasantly surprised to see this film. I did not find a link to the film itself on the Internet, but if you are interested, you can search for the title of the film "Pentagon Wars". You will not regret. The film looks interesting and easy. Here is a short description just found http://www.kinopoisk.ru/level/1/film/94985/, for those who are too lazy to follow the link, I will quote: "When Colonel of the US Air Force Burton was tasked with assessing the effectiveness of the new Bradley infantry fighting vehicle, which has already invested $ 14 billion, he immediately realized that he was" hit. "Bradley has no chance to pass the tests, but he too big bets are made.

    Wanting to put the car into production as quickly as possible, Burton's boss, General Partridge, piles up mountains of completely useless papers, tries to remove him from business and send him to Alaska. But real colonels, even American ones, don't give up so easily. "

    So do not believe the propaganda! Any equipment, ours or American has a bunch of flaws and weaknesses.
    1. beech
      0
      4 February 2012 15: 25
      also looked Pentagon war called, probably the same thing is happening with us
      1. wall
        0
        4 February 2012 15: 41
        Yes. A familiar officer from not the simplest troops gave it to me, he said that the same thing was happening with us.
  24. beech
    +3
    4 February 2012 15: 24
    if this equipment had visited our place in Grozny, then they would have looked at their * super * tanks and behi, and the fool would be able to bomb the old tanks with the old ammunition
  25. Azov
    0
    4 February 2012 16: 30
    One must always be prepared for the worst. And to learn the opponent’s mate as well as his own.
  26. T1GER_1
    +3
    4 February 2012 17: 06
    Regarding the first posts - But I’m tired of listening to your pompous criticism. Russian technology is also often advertised, only nobody craps about it, but they draw conclusions and comparisons. I wonder why? Is there a brain and a more democratic attitude?
    Argentum, 48 tons is quite mobile, a large turret does not take the tank to too high a height, providing the crew with good combat conditions, and the tank is still well protected from the sides, or do you think that at least one Russian tank was sideways and aft apart from the latest developments is invulnerable from RPG?) Or will you begin to respect foreign technology only when they have 2 meters of reservation in the sides and stern, and a 300mm ship gun 15 km in radius of 100 percent defeat?
    beech --- if this technique had visited our place in Grozny --- I hope the Americans would have had the brains not to let tanks into the city.
    Is it easy to troll on the first occasion given in Wikipedia, but can you turn on your own brain in any way? Draw conclusions, compare from different points of view?
    1. Argentum
      +3
      4 February 2012 17: 24
      T1GER_1 all tanks make their way with RPGs, the bottom line is that the side of the arbamych made its way with RPG 7 and the oldest missiles. Therefore, they brought dynamic protection to their sides. About the weight mixed up, the weight of 63 tons, 48 ​​or rather 46 tons weighs T-90. Of the NATO tanks, the only normal one is Leopard 2. I do not claim that our tanks are the most powerful, no, of course we have our weaknesses, just the abrams have a lot of weak zones. By the way, Challenger 2 has a weak spot on his forehead, despite his super duper defense
  27. T1GER_1
    +3
    4 February 2012 17: 48
    I don’t know, I don’t know, the challenger's forehead is set at a huge angle of inclination, as far as I remember from what I read in my childhood there is a huge piece of modern protection + the angle of inclination, makes the tank in the forehead seem to be very powerful, I don’t know where the infa is from ... there are many weak points of all tanks, how many I read about Russian tanks, I did not find strong places in large quantities ... some tank has 80 mm of direct armor in the side, like the T 72 ... There is no desire to argue, but I will hardly be it is possible to convince that the T 80-T 90 tanks would have shown themselves better, and why Russian ones? And because here all the Russians slander abroad. So I am giving the facts of justice. Moreover, the Americans quite clearly stated that many tanks were struck by their own, and took into account the imperfection of the guidance system, which they are trying to fix, so all sorts of pictures like "burning abrams in Iraq" do not surprise me in any way, and the T 90 would burn from shelling Yes, there were cases with RPGs, too, but it was not the Russians who fought there, so the best were silent, otherwise the BMP-3 and BMD would hardly have survived the same shots and tanks sent there from the Russian side. Just the same example, this is Grozny. It's just that you need to express less anger towards other countries, and the article generally smiled ... Even in the Second World War, the Germans did the same polls on the Tiger 1 tank, while reading the book by Otto Carius you can see ... similar requests to the plant, timely provision and troubleshooting ... Yes, it's a pity that in Russia there is still a shitty system of mutual assistance between producers and warriors, I honestly would be glad if Russia finally came to their senses and began to adopt the wonderful inventions of Russian designers into service and refinement. Apparently in Europe-America there is no right all state employees prohibit all modifications, limiting the safety of the military, while in russia all corrupt creatures accumulate accounts, are a link between a request and a deed, as a result everything is worth it, money is not allocated, everything is frozen, limiting itself to "bringing old tanks to modern standards." Well, this is my personal guess. And they do not care about the security of the military.
  28. +2
    4 February 2012 17: 58
    To stop arguing, you need to drag Abram to the test site and shoot him from the T-90, and then vice versa and draw conclusions based on the result.
  29. T1GER_1
    +1
    4 February 2012 18: 09
    To the Bochins What are the conclusions? Two corpses)))
    1. 0
      4 February 2012 18: 20
      Not on the sidelines, but on all surfaces in order to reveal the enemy’s weaknesses and their own. Common practice for the creators of military equipment. The most difficult thing is to get a sample. Amer easier, our tanks are full everywhere. They test piles of tanks and bb shells on tanks of Russian and Soviet production.
      1. Argentum
        +4
        4 February 2012 19: 33
        In fact, the only western tanks participating in the hostilities are Abrams and Merkava. T-90 never participated in hostilities. T-72s showed themselves well.
        And at the expense of the challenger, his "impenetrable" forehead was pierced from the RPG-29.
  30. +1
    4 February 2012 18: 36
    From personal experience, the best-selling tank is the South African elephant ... I don’t know what they’ve done there, but after THREE hits from the RPG this bastard tried to crush me, shoot me and only the fourth shot to the side of the engine compartment stopped .... But it stopped shooting after minutes five after thoughtful processing from a flamethrower .... So I suffered the most I can’t ... There is no reception against scrap if there is no other scrap ...
    1. gor
      gor
      +1
      9 February 2012 09: 54
      it's you in which game with this elephant did you meet our tolerant?))))))))))))))))))))))))
  31. madrobot
    +4
    4 February 2012 18: 47
    Despite the large number of numbers, the article is more like an advertisement.
    About myself: served in the period from 1988 to 1989 in a tank regiment in Krnov (Czechoslovakia), military specialty - mech.-water. T 72. I don't know what kind of "thermal imagers" we are talking about, but even then ALL vehicles of the 3rd battalions were equipped with night vision devices. Personally, I have great doubts about the placement of the "carousel" AZ right under the asses of the gunner and commander. An anti-tank mine of the cumulative type will easily turn the outboard space into a crematorium. Alas. + You can shoot from NSVT only by leaning out of the tower to half the body. The hatch under the mechanic's ass is a necessary thing, but it's impossible to use it without opening the top hatch and throwing out the lead-filled seat. There are also all sorts of little things. But then the combat readiness of the company after the alarm is 1.5 minutes. Those. in 1.5. mines, the tanks have already been warmed up, the PKT has already been installed and put on alert and the company is already ready to move on the first signal. Here is THAT I guarantee. If at least 30% of the article is true, then the Iraqi crews were simply not properly trained. I apologize for the somewhat nervous syllable, but it really hurts me when our tanks are "lowered" like this.
    I completely forgot to add: the transmission compartment, which is not closed by anything, can become a source of BIG problems for the crew in urban conditions.
  32. Nechai
    +2
    4 February 2012 20: 03
    Quote: ab
    And the fact that Iraq was completely unchecked in 3 weeks did not convince you?

    Three weeks some long ... I hesitate to ask - how many years?
  33. T1GER_1
    +2
    4 February 2012 20: 19
    Challenger 2 was only once struck in the lower armor plate of the forehead of the hull by one of the most modern RPGs - RPG-29. The same Abrams or T-90 would likewise be pierced if hit in NLD from such an RPG.
    So your statements are unfounded.
    Challenger 2 is one of the most protected MBT of our time.
    THIS IS NOT MY WORDS.
    Moreover, at the same T 72 the bottom of the body is 85 mm of armor. And now you know what? Challenger 2 has a weak point, it’s NLD, similar to the Russian tank with 80-100mm of conventional armor protection there ... For me this seems like a flaw on the part of the British designers ... BUT ... Why the hell to shoot from the most modern grenade launcher? (I apologize I read it on the wiki, I found a case, and even so no one died, which is very positive for the tank, which was hit in an almost unprotected area, because the penetration of the Vampire is under 800mm)
    Here are the comments-
    In 2007, the frontal armor of the Challenger hull was broken from RPG-29, three toes were torn off by a mechanic driver, and two other tank crew members were injured as well [5] [6].
    A case was recorded when during the battles one of the Challengers received 15 hits of anti-tank grenade launchers without breaking through the armor

    Further: They would have fired from it in the forehead of the tower, then they would have been proud of breaking through, by the way, it is doubtful that he would take the forehead of the tower of even such an old tank.
    T 72 nowhere and did not show themselves better than any other tank of the planet from outdated or modern, exactly the same drawbacks as the Europeans, error-taking actions, such as corrals of tanks in the city, or shooting sideways and stern from small mobile RPGs from which no tank in the world rescues. And Russia, along with other countries, is fighting against this weakness of tanks. You can show your weakness minus me for the truth, but Russia’s armored defense is not ahead of all countries, but not behind, they just enrage those who are not able to analyze, take into account mistakes, draw conclusions, but are capable of everything, hide some shortcomings on their part, hide it with the help of ridicule against other countries. We would like to use RPG 29 in NLD T 90 to calm pride, and to show everyone that all countries are extremely close to each other in the arms race, and that it’s all the same to slander a foreign country to be brainless, I apologize for being rude.
    And according to specific data, without any stupidity at all, I can explain to you what Russia should be proud of, not the armor of its tanks, but that they made their gun universal, that is. firing from a tank muzzle with missiles. This is already a real superiority ... not only does the missile penetrate the enormous thickness of armor, it also surpasses tank guns in range, up to 5 km in radius of destruction. That’s what I would boast about, be Russian ( German), and for which I respect Russian tanks, rather even designers with original ideas, like a tank armored defense vehicle, firing rockets from cannon trunks. Well, they are beautiful =)
    1. +3
      4 February 2012 21: 56
      Quote: T1GER_1
      The 2 Challenger has a weak point, it is NLD, similar to the Russian tank there 80-100mm of conventional armor protection ... For me this seems like a flaw on the part of the English designers ...


      so for almost everyone ----- statistics show that they almost never get there --- besides it closes with an effect ----- the local screen --- for a European TVD it is taken for 1.2 m from the ground
    2. Argentum
      +2
      4 February 2012 22: 58
      T1GER_1 answered well, but by the day all NATO tanks weigh more than 50 tons, agreed too much. As far as I remember, the weight limit for tanks in the USSR was 48 tons.
      As for beauty, I agree, but Leopard 2 has its own Gothic beauty)
  34. +1
    4 February 2012 21: 30
    Advertising article from a glossy magazine: Some Americans did not mention the battle (the only one when the Iraqis snapped, not fleeing) of their tank division against the same Iraqi tank division. When, in 3 hours of battle, Iraqi T-72s knocked out 72 Abrams and, in order to drive off the Iraqis, the "vaunted" US tankmen called in TWO regiments of anti-tank helicopters for help !!! Well, about the RPG-7 "Abrams" burning even from the shots, I don't even want to talk about it: the link is a little higher.
  35. Warrant Officer Zadrishchenko
    +1
    5 February 2012 01: 16
    Grozny take two landing regiments

    - Russian Minister of Defense Pavel Grachev, before the entry of troops into Chechnya.

    During the storming of Grozny from December 31, 1994 to April 1, 1995, the loss of military equipment amounted to approximately 49 tanks, 132 infantry fighting vehicles, 98 armored personnel carriers, 51 vehicles based on infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers (according to the statement of the head of the Main Armored Directorate of the Russian Ministry of Defense, General Colonel A. Galkin, in the first month and a half of the fighting in Chechnya, the irretrievable losses of armored vehicles amounted to 225 units, 62 of which were tanks).
  36. Isaev
    0
    5 February 2012 03: 56
    Let me remind you of hot heads about Stalin’s repressions:

    After purging in the army, the captain commanded the division during the Finnish war !!! This division was completely destroyed by two Finnish battalions. And this is actually in peacetime.
  37. +1
    5 February 2012 18: 56
    16,5 * 100 = 1650l / 100km. those. fuel reserve 1900: 1650 = 115 km. at full refueling. with such a flow, these tanks do not need to be knocked out from any grenade launchers. these tanks must be cherished and cherished. a normal army tanker drags 5-10000l. just skip them into the territory and SURVIER tankers. the crews themselves abandon their tanks to get out. tankers, at our expense what?
  38. gor
    gor
    0
    6 February 2012 01: 20
    keep reading. This is about abrams projectile tests around 2006. Tests of the new projectile, created by Raytheon Corporation as part of the MRM-CE (Mid Range Munition Chemical Energy) program, were held at the Yuma test site in the US state of Arizona. A cumulative projectile guided by a laser beam managed to hit a moving tank at a distance of 8,7 kilometers.
    but you know about the 5 km of the t-90 and yelling there are no analogues. yes and by the way abrams eats about 4 liters per kilometer
    1. +1
      6 February 2012 13: 50
      New Russian shells are working on 12 kilometers already, and not by laser beam or other command guidance that the last century.
      Outdated principle
      "Shot - I forgot to hide"
      Rayon will sell while they take it. The most for colonial aggression.
      1. gor
        gor
        -4
        6 February 2012 14: 31
        it’s 12 km in your fantasies. as long as the t-5 has only 90 km and it seemed to someone that the whole world was surprised by this
        and shot and forgot to say that this is a Russian breakthrough in this direction?
        and notice 2006. and the rockets from the barrel sheridans fired long ago. for the t-72 it was from the category of fiction.
        and did you mean this when you wrote about 12 km?)))))))))))))))) This problem was solved by the developers of the cannon for the MCS tank through the use of composite materials, higher strength steels and optimization and simplification of design muzzle brake.
        Other requirements for the tank were: reducing the crew from four to three due to the installation of an automatic loader, as well as the ability to hit targets outside line of sight at ranges up to 12 km.
        so it’s the Americans)))))))))))))))))))) at least delve into what you read
        1. 0
          6 February 2012 15: 09
          In my fantasies there are more. As long as enlighten.
          1. gor
            gor
            -4
            6 February 2012 17: 59
            well, so it’s obvious that you’re dreaming. I would like you to be at 72 or even 90 and to meet with the abrams?))))))))))))))))))))
            1. 0
              7 February 2012 23: 19
              Mandatory, at the slightest need.
        2. slas
          +1
          7 February 2012 01: 57
          Don’t be offended, please, but I want to ask -gor-. All this data and where do you get it
    2. slas
      +1
      6 February 2012 15: 20
      According to the military’s assessment, the fuel consumption of the Abrams tanks was 7 gallons per mile (16,5 liters per km),
      1. gor
        gor
        -3
        6 February 2012 18: 05
        and who appreciated? it’s just necessary to consider that both on diesels and on a turbine fuel consumption is usually measured by hours if installed on such a technique. and in general it’s incomprehensible that these Americans are so stupid that they cannot create a diesel for a tank?
        1. slas
          0
          7 February 2012 23: 03
          Or maybe they really can’t do for the tank recourse
      2. 0
        6 February 2012 23: 02
        But this is closer to the truth ...
    3. 0
      6 February 2012 23: 01
      I have a whore Oka eats more ...
  39. Old prdun
    +1
    6 February 2012 18: 23
    So. Karoch, we need a consultation: what is the difference between the export version of the t-72 and those that are in our arsenal? Were you filming bells and whistles, such as thermal imagers, rangefinders, etc.? And then, I suddenly understand, the main thing is not the technique, but the ability to dispose of it.
  40. DEATH UWB
    -1
    22 February 2012 10: 42
    good article
  41. Gurbanov.
    +1
    25 February 2012 00: 36
    I think he is right who said that the dollar won the war and not the armed forces. Most likely, Iraq did not have a sufficient number of tanks that could be serviceable, and plus the difference in the training of tank crews is probably huge, not in favor of the Iraqi army. And in general, it is useless to consider tanks separately from other types of troops, what kind of confrontation can there be if the air is behind the enemy, the advantage in the ability to suppress artillery behind the enemy by fire, the ability to provide and repair behind the enemy. T-72, T-80 and "Abrams" are likely to be on the same level, someone has their own pluses, their minuses.
  42. kov
    kov
    +1
    18 July 2012 09: 08
    Abrams in the Mud) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfqLCw5AO8I
  43. +1
    April 2 2014 17: 48
    How many I see the comments of people who have seen too much domestic military programs, in such programs they often use the effect of patriotism, while other countries do the same thing, that is, they advertise their equipment in order to interest people. Analyze information and understand that there is no car that is good at everything

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