US Department of Justice: Independent rating agencies hung noodles ...

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The analytical articles of the Military Review have repeatedly published materials on the apparent non-transparency of the activities of most so-called “independent” international rating agencies. Representatives of liberal elites and foreign guests conclusions about the opacity of work Moody's, Fitch and S&P constantly rejected, stating that agencies act "from a purely independent economic position", and that the conclusions of the agencies should be taken as the ultimate truth, including the undeclared default rating of the Ukrainian economy after late payments on sovereign debt.

Today it became known that the liberal "partners" and foreign guests were still wrong. Surprisingly, the fact of the opacity of the work of international rating agencies testified (attention!) US Department of Justice. True, we are talking exclusively about the opacity of assigning a rating to the economies of individual US states. Own shirt ...



The US Department of Justice publishes a report stating that Moody's hid the real ratings of financial institutions in 21, the US state of 50 (plus DC). We are talking about events that preceded the global financial crisis that erupted in 2008 year due to the collapse of the housing market in the US and the inability of insurers to cover losses on non-payment of borrowers.

US Department of Justice: Independent rating agencies hung noodles ...


The message stated that the rating agency Moody's "Did not comply with the standards of rating assignment and did not fulfill the obligation to publish information on the basis of transparency". For this "Moody's" a fine of almost 0,9 billion dollars was issued.

Noteworthy is the fact that Moody's representatives declared their readiness to “negotiate with the federal authorities” in order to “avoid uncertainty”. It should be noted that earlier for the non-transparent assignment of credit ratings to American states and individual financial institutions, the US Department of Justice filed a lawsuit against another “independent rating agency - S&P. In 2015, to hush up the scandal, S&P paid more than $ 1,3 billion to the US federal budget.

Perhaps this is all you need to know about the "independence" of international rating agencies.
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  1. +13
    16 January 2017 19: 21
    to hush up the scandal, S&P paid more than $ 1,3 billion to the US federal budget
    These are independent! 1,3 billion alone to pay a fine. Surely they also profited. belay
    1. +17
      16 January 2017 19: 35
      Noteworthy is the fact that Moody's representatives declared their readiness to "negotiate with the federal authorities" in order to "avoid uncertainty"


      Creepy time! The Fed itself prints a buck, it determines the rating, it puts economies on loans, decides whether to give a loan or not and at what rate.
      I feel like a slave to usurers.
      1. +21
        16 January 2017 19: 58
        Interestingly, they have some kind of official post there, like:
        "Engineer for placing pasta on the auditory organs"
        feel lol
        1. +15
          16 January 2017 20: 01
          Svezhak !!!

          “Has Obama really earned no reward after an 8-year term as president?”
          “Why, he fully deserved the medal for the release of the White House.” lol
          1. +4
            16 January 2017 20: 34
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Interestingly, they have some kind of official post there, like:
            "Engineer for placing pasta on the auditory organs"
            feel lol


            It doesn’t help, it’s necessary there right away ... oh, it’s better to cut off where to hang it, otherwise it will not work.
        2. WKS
          +1
          16 January 2017 21: 50
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Interestingly, they have some kind of official post there, like:
          "Engineer for placing pasta on the auditory organs"
          feel lol

          So they are selling this noodle.
        3. +4
          16 January 2017 22: 06
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Interestingly, they have some kind of official post there, like:
          "Engineer for placing pasta on the auditory organs"
          feel lol

          Well, at least I know two I have sooo soooo pasta
      2. +2
        16 January 2017 20: 01
        "US Department of Justice: Independent rating agencies were hanging noodles ..."

        It is necessary to add - hung noodles made in the USA.
      3. +1
        17 January 2017 01: 32
        MOSCOW, Jan 16 - RIA News. The condition of the eight richest people in the world corresponds to the general prosperity of the poorest half of the world's population, according to a study conducted by the Oxfam charity.
        How so?
        8 rich people include Microsoft founder Bill Gates (net worth $ 75 billion), former president of Inditex, which includes Zara clothing stores, Amancio Ortega ($ 67 billion), US entrepreneur Warren Buffett ($ 60,8 billion), Mexican businessman Carlos Slim Elu ($ 50 billion), Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos ($ 45,2 billion), Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg ($ 44,6 billion), Oracle CEO Larry Ellison ($ 43,6 billion) and Michael Bloomberg ($ 40 billion)
        Not fat to them?
    2. +8
      16 January 2017 19: 52
      Quote: Mole
      Surely they also profited.

      Oh, how fucked up! I want to be in "mudis" for half a year, maybe for a year, and then ........ to the Bahamas or "candle factory", somewhere in Ceylon. After all, the bastards mattress makers have built a unique pyramid: they print unsecured "candy wrappers", credit the whole world with "candy wrappers", and most importantly they are not responsible for anything. Live and learn! laughing
      1. +3
        16 January 2017 20: 24
        Start selling lies. The most expensive product. They all lie (politicians, economists, journalists). A century of lies in the yard!
        1. +4
          16 January 2017 20: 38
          Quote: Mole
          Start selling lies. The most expensive product. They all lie (politicians, economists, journalists). A century of lies in the yard!

          But we are not politicians, not economists, not journalists, should we "live in sorrow"!
          Dream did not give! You are angry! tongue
          1. +2
            16 January 2017 21: 09
            Quote: kapitan92
            Dream did not give! You are angry!

            laughing Nope, I'm not evil! Sorry for shattered dreams good
            Let's dream of honest politicians, honest economists and journalists. wink
            If these dreams came true, then among ordinary people more rich would be ...
            1. +4
              16 January 2017 21: 18
              Quote: Mole
              Let's dream of honest politicians, honest economists and journalists.

              Dreaming is not bad! Let's. drinks
              Quote: Mole
              If these dreams came true, then among ordinary people more rich would be ...

              And what to dream !? It is necessary to work ..... on the realization of a dream. Something like this!
            2. 0
              17 January 2017 05: 10
              Quote: Mole
              Let's dream of honest politicians, honest economists and journalists. wink
              If these dreams came true, then among ordinary people there would be more rich ..


              Or would there be more ordinary people among the rich ?!
        2. +2
          16 January 2017 21: 00
          It just proves once again that the USA is an empire of LIES. And in terms of lies they have no equal on Planet Earth.
      2. +2
        16 January 2017 20: 41
        Quote: kapitan92
        After all, the bastards mattress makers have built a unique pyramid: they print unsecured "candy wrappers", credit the whole world with "candy wrappers", and most importantly they are not responsible for anything. Live and learn!

        Rumor has it that the mattresses lost documents confirming the transfer of gold bullions from European countries to them for storage. Clerk of the Treasury, probably cut the cervelat on these papers))) If this is the case, then it will become a scam of the millennium
        1. +5
          16 January 2017 20: 48
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Rumor has it that the mattresses lost documents confirming the transfer of gold bullions from European countries to them for storage


          Gutted Europe and order. Oh well done!
        2. +2
          16 January 2017 21: 12
          Now, if the Europeans "lost" these papers, then the Americans really pulled off the millennium scam!
      3. +2
        16 January 2017 22: 03
        Quote: kapitan92
        Oh, how fucked! I want to be in "mudis" for half a year, maybe for a year, and then ........ to the Bahamas or "candle factory", somewhere in Ceylon.

        But what about the jacket with low tide and Yalta? laughing
        1. +4
          16 January 2017 22: 13
          Quote: midivan
          Quote: kapitan92
          Oh, how fucked! I want to be in "mudis" for half a year, maybe for a year, and then ........ to the Bahamas or "candle factory", somewhere in Ceylon.

          But what about the jacket with low tide and Yalta? laughing

          Nah! To the Bahamas! It is always warm and papuan, so dark-skinned, and coconuts with bananas ......... everywhere. good
          1. +2
            16 January 2017 22: 24
            Well, you can try papuasca, and bananas with coconuts and we can crack (everywhere) is not prohibited laughing , well, yes, yes, I agree, you do not have to pay for heating lol
            1. +1
              16 January 2017 23: 15
              Quote: midivan
              Well, you can try papuasca

              Better not to try. Wind the screws ...
              1. +1
                17 January 2017 00: 39
                Quote: 1rl141
                Better not to try. Wind the screws ...

                Well, there are covers for the screws, Schaub's wife didn’t make any noise wink laughing
    3. +4
      16 January 2017 21: 09
      Creepy time! The Fed itself prints a buck, it determines the rating, it puts economies on loans, decides whether to give a loan or not and at what rate.
      I feel like a slave to usurers. [/ Quote]
      [i] [/ i]

      Here the scope is different - slave countries, and some continents ... By the way, we made a good film - "The Shorting Game", I personally liked it, and so rating agencies are involved there, and one of them was asked why you did not report the real situations? Answer: then this bank will go to another rating agency, they pay damn contributions there, some percentage, that's all "independence, not to mention that all this is regulated at the government level
    4. +2
      17 January 2017 02: 10
      `` US Department of Justice: Independent rating agencies were hanging noodles ... ''. It's just their job. Fulfilling someone's order, the corresponding ratings were made. And they made very good money on it. By the way, the offices performing various polls are no different from these agencies, they always give the desired result to the customer.
  2. +7
    16 January 2017 19: 22
    Yes, the "exceptional", the hike, hanging noodles is a favorite fun! Rating agencies, media, national intelligence, congress, personally the president. The empire of lies cannot live any other way.
    1. +6
      16 January 2017 19: 35
      And they are terribly far from the ratings and forecasts of our "Ministry of Economic Development" and "Ministry of Finance", this is where the noodles should be removed from the ears, otherwise everything about the mythical bottom that will never find its constancy, then above, then below. And who is knocking on him?
      1. 0
        16 January 2017 19: 51
        bottom not reached, so this is a bottomless and immense barrel-Russia. Inexhaustible pantry of useful suit and talents
  3. +6
    16 January 2017 19: 29
    It is a pity that these agencies cannot be held liable for falsification and deliberate underestimation of the rating of a country — to create a prince so that other similar offices would write only the truth in their reports.
  4. +3
    16 January 2017 19: 36
    Perhaps this is all you need to know about the "independence" of international rating agencies.
    Yes, they are all SUCH "independent" that there is nowhere to go ... Like that WADA and the Eurovision Song Contest. Another instrument of "hybrid war".
  5. +3
    16 January 2017 19: 38
    Their errors in assessing the economies of states are usually small. Plus / minus one position
    on a scale. More wrong in the ranking of the budgets of cities, provinces, firms.
    There, the figures for income and expenses are very "floating" and there is a lot of manipulation.
    1. +5
      16 January 2017 19: 52
      There, the figures for income and expenses are very "floating" and there is a lot of manipulation.
      which they must identify and show or hide "by agreement" of the parties
      1. +2
        16 January 2017 20: 00
        They are not auditors. Take the numbers that they are given.
        But you could trust them less ...
    2. +3
      16 January 2017 21: 07
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Their errors in assessing state economies are usually small

      Are there statistics or a calculation methodology has been published that allows you to double-check the objectivity of the rating? Then where are the conclusions that the errors are small?
      1. +1
        17 January 2017 01: 22
        There are many years of statistics on the economic condition of countries relative to each other,
        and she’s about true. These firms take internationally accepted macro indicators and create scales on them.
        But, I repeat, they took up the economy of cities, regions, states, banks, firms -
        here everything is more confused. And the percentage of errors is much higher.
        1. +1
          17 January 2017 05: 20
          Quote: voyaka uh
          There are many years of statistics on economic conditions.

          It allows you to determine the objectivity of the rating? How, if the calculation method is not known or contains subjective variables?
          Quote: voyaka uh
          she is approximately true

          Who checked?
          Quote: voyaka uh
          here everything is more confused

          Is it easier to calculate the country's economy than the economy of its meager part (city or company)? On the basis of what a similar conclusion is made?
          1. 0
            17 January 2017 11: 28
            "Is the economy of a country easier to calculate than the economy of a tiny part of it (a city or a company)?" ///

            Of course. There are macro indicators: annual inflation, GDP growth, foreign exchange reserves, industrial growth, the level of foreign investment, the inflow and outflow of capital and labor, and others.
            They have a methodology, it is published on their websites.
  6. +13
    16 January 2017 19: 43
    The rating agencies did not lie, they were fulfilling the "state order" by setting public opinion on the determination and inevitability of the victory of the Democratic candidate. At the same time, they themselves put their own fate at stake, and now they agree to pay off. This once again suggests that all those "ratings" and "forecasts" that "independent" agencies put forward to Russia, Russian enterprises and firms, as well as everyone who does not have "friendly relations" with the ruling elite of the United States are also "ordered "and the way of influence. This is the system in "the most democratic state in the world."
    "... And after that they will tell me that you can't pick your nose! ..."
  7. +6
    16 January 2017 19: 51
    Is it okay that these agencies use ratings to "lower" companies and states? They delivered B- to Russia, and the investment ran out, although the actual (realities of production, not the provision of services, including banking) indicators of the Russian Federation are better than those of Europe and the States. There are no independent ones. For this, at least, one must not receive money from anyone, not to mention decency.
    The rest is from the evil one. hi
    1. +1
      16 January 2017 21: 11
      Investments did not end because of ratings. And because of the sanctions. Completely obstructing investment in almost all directions. The lack of FOREIGN INVESTMENT - IMHO, good for Russia. Indeed, investors of this type WITHDRAW profits from the country. They have such a job.
      1. 0
        17 January 2017 01: 29
        Foreign investment is the greatest good for the country. They create jobs, raise living standards, increase competition in the domestic market, i.e. spur local producers to be innovative.
        China's giant leap is entirely on foreign investment. Israel by all means invites foreigners to invest in the economy, and they invest - Israel is developing at a frantic pace.
        Without investment, recession and stagnation.
  8. +4
    16 January 2017 20: 02
    Quote: Vasyan1971
    hanging noodles is your favorite fun!

    2016 turned out to be successful for agriculture in Russia, a large crop of wheat, including hard varieties, was grown. We can create a special line for the production of high quality noodles, applications are accepted.
  9. +9
    16 January 2017 20: 12
    Our people in Russia have the best rating for everything and everyone ...! We intuitively smell everything that happens in the world ... Contact gentlemen, we don’t even have to pay ...
    1. 0
      17 January 2017 01: 31
      Only salaries are already lower than in China ... sad
  10. +3
    16 January 2017 20: 59
    Correctly The Chinese generally do not allow all these agencies to their statistics. It seems that the saying applies to these - there are three types of lies: just a lie, an impudent lie, and statistics ...
  11. +1
    16 January 2017 21: 12
    Quote: Mole
    Start selling lies. The most expensive product. They all lie (politicians, economists, journalists). A century of lies in the yard!


    Everything is quite simple, in a dispute between a liar and an honest liar very often wins. Because honest is limited only by truth, and a liar is not limited by anything.
  12. +1
    16 January 2017 21: 22
    There you go. And this is the US Department of Justice said, not Russia. How can the world change so quickly in its judgments and behavior. Well, we will look further
  13. +2
    16 January 2017 21: 24
    America opened the same to me - rating agencies lie wassat laughing They are the offspring of the capitalist world and play according to the rules adopted in this world. What do you want from them? request This is a matter of faith. The Chinese people do not believe them and do not recognize them. And nothing - did not die, the economy did not fall apart. Who prevents us from declaring them outside our interests and pumping our rights? Believe them - disintegrate the consequences further and whine about ratings, if your government is pro-Western (capitalist mindset), do not believe them - live on and develop according to your laws and mind requestThe Chinese are an example to you. Total business lol I personally don’t believe them at all what bully Kapets - clowns sit and spit on the ceiling, inventing different crap for themselves, and the rest of the Pokéons build their business plans based on these assumptions. Some kind of stone age with oracles and shamans wassat
    This is so, personal opinion laughing
  14. 0
    16 January 2017 21: 27
    "Attention is drawn to the fact that Moody's representatives declared their readiness to" negotiate with the federal authorities "
    And then before that they did not agree ... who would believe that Mudil ... Mudis did not pour water on the blades of the Democrats?
  15. +4
    16 January 2017 21: 55
    Gee-gee-gee! Why, rating agencies act strictly in accordance with science! There is simply no such science in the world as economics. There are several people, less than five, who somehow try to work. Anything and everything else is cheating. The point is, this is a very profitable deception. After all, on the one hand, there are millions of fools who are building a business according to economic "textbooks". These people are completely open for undressing by those who sponsor these textbooks and then use the "rat holes" laid there.
    On the other hand, how convenient and useful it is to establish a potential adversary in the country, for example, the HSE! After all, its graduates themselves, with their own hands, will strangle their own economy, in full confidence that they are doing everything right. Too much money can be made from this to allow all the scientists out there to even come close to economic "science."
    So everything is fine with agencies. And the Americans just want agencies to not burrow, and work for the owner, and not for themselves ...
  16. 0
    16 January 2017 23: 48
    Quote: wks
    So they are selling this noodle.

    They are welded on noodles, not on ratings.
  17. 0
    17 January 2017 05: 38
    C'mon, I never thought!
  18. 0
    17 January 2017 05: 39
    lying everywhere and this whole Yankee creed ...
  19. 0
    17 January 2017 09: 38
    The scientists said.

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