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infoIVAN №15 ★ Burzhuiny attack? A few thoughts about Gaidar economic forum.

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Hello to all ours and not to ours! And yes, I am today, something all evil, although I promised not to be angry.

The Gaidar Economic Forum is an amazing event for Russia. The forum is named in honor of Yegor Gaidar - one of the main ideologues of capitalism in Russia. It was his efforts and the efforts of his team that laid most of the current problems in the economy of our country.
And yet, be sure to remember about the millions of dead Russians, who over the years of the implementation of Gaidar’s reforms did not fit into the market.

Oh well it's already история.
Rejoice, because the main thing happened! Capitalism in Russia is officially built.

And again a small excursion into the recent past. In 90, the factories, factories, enterprises and infrastructure created by the labor of millions of Soviet citizens were quietly taken away in their pockets.
Assets worth billions of money magically moved into the private hands of newly minted oligarchs and burzhuinov. Yegor Gaidar and the liberals who came to power personally answered for all this magic.

Let's define immediately, I am not against entrepreneurs and businessmen. I respect those who managed to create their own successful business from scratch. Who opens jobs, honestly pays taxes and works for the good of Russia.

But the previously listed are not related to entrepreneurs and businessmen.
Let's call a spade a spade. They are thieves who are not condemned and not punished until now. What should not be surprising, since in power and now sits a whole brood of these parasites and their offspring. Moreover, at the highest level. They are like nits on all financial flows ... and crap, crap, crap.

But back to the forum. Pathetic liberal parties between the thieves, created by thieves for thieves, served as the brightest economic event in Russia. It is on this site that sipping schnapps impressively, all these Grefs, Chubais, Kudrins and other "effective" managers, and in fact the parasites who stuck to the state budget, ponder how they can equip this country. On the people they have long spat. They believed that they were untouchable. Therefore behave rude
arrogantly and do not hide their plans and goals.

For example, Russian First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov spoke at the forum, saying that Russia could unilaterally lift counter sanctions from the west. And you need to prepare for this.
What's this? Surrender?
It seems that the bourgeois stratum, hoping to continue to eat and not answer for anything, decided to surrender the whole country so that everything would return as before.

Instead of being put under house arrest for theft of millions, Ulyukaev, his successor Maxim Oreshkin spoke at the forum. Coming from the Higher School of Economics (HSE), which is essentially a diagnosis. So, the Minister of Economic Development of Russia said that the state corporations are evil. That they are ineffective.

In the difficult period of global economic instability, when, on the contrary, you need to try to concentrate as much as possible economic tools, levers and assets under state control, this pretzel repeats the long-refuted liberal mantra, about the greater effectiveness of the private burzhuin before government control. And yes, if you do not understand. Oreshkin drowns for new privatization.

Apparently, myths and legends about the fabulous instant transformation of state property into private property are the main guiding beacons of the so-called economic elite of Russia. It is understandable, over the past 15 years, Russia has been digging for itself fat, has created many new tasty assets at the expense of the state budget that prevent all these parasites from sleeping:
- Rosatom is the world leader in nuclear energy with billions in revenues.
- Rostec is a successful state corporation for the export of weapons.
- Even Rosnano, recently launches profitable and profitable projects.
That is, these are serious assets, bringing billions to the budget.

But the Minister of Economic Development of Russia, Maxim Oreshkin, stubbornly hints that there is an urgent need to divide the state. assets between close thieves. The classical scheme of privatization of profits, nationalization of losses.
But this bastard does not think that the social obligations of the state only grow every year. Pensions, benefits, salaries for state employees are not one-time payments, but a constant item of expenditure.
And besides, it is the state corporations that guarantee the sovereignty of the country. Or forgotten 90 when military-industrial complex was privatized, plundered and destroyed by effective owners? How much later did it take time, effort and money to revive it? Again on the same rake?

I do not call for pogroms and revolutions, these are not effective methods for solving current problems. But we need to increase the responsibility of the government towards the country and the people. Need control and accountability. And not selective, but ubiquitous. We need equality before the law so that those who steal millions from the country's budget do not sit under house arrest, but sew mittens in the zone. Still simple! Justice is what we all need.
And the authorities should understand this.

P.S.
Perhaps I do not know all the information ... and the words of these state officials speaking at the Gaidar forum and making frankly sabotage statements are all some kind of cunning plan ... But in fact, they are all true patriots and are sick of our whole country and our people?

Everything! See you soon.

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  1. vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 17 January 2017 07: 04
    +16
    Adequate attitude to the "Gaidar Forum" of privatizers and thieves! The only pity is that these supporters of "Gaidarism" and "Chubaisyatina" hold power.
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 17 January 2017 10: 16
      +7
      I disagree only on one thing. They do not think about how to arrange Russia in their own way. They DO to destroy it and sell it for a "small share." Rastrell is too lenient a sentence for the participants in this coven. Shovel in hand and to the resorts of the southern coast of the Laptev Sea, remove the snow.
      1. larand
        larand 18 January 2017 12: 44
        +1
        Quote: AKuzenka
        Rastrell is a too mild sentence for the participants of this coven. Shovel in hand and on the resorts of the southern shore of the Laptev Sea, remove snow.

        What are you, comrade, what kind of execution? Power is with them forever. So these articles are nothing more than waving fists after losing a fight. When we die out, "sovki", no one will know that it was possible to live without the bourgeoisie. And the descendants of these Gaidar-Chubais ghouls will forever rule what remains of the Russian Federation.
  2. pravednik
    pravednik 17 January 2017 07: 07
    +8
    Article 1000 pluses. How long will the guarantor of Russia silently swallow all the machinations of thieves. Is it time for them all to resign with litigation, but not by corrupt judges.
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 17 January 2017 11: 55
      +8
      Quote: pravednik
      Article 1000 pluses. How long will the guarantor of Russia silently swallow all the machinations of thieves. Is it time for them all to resign with litigation, but not by corrupt judges.

      Yes, the guarantor does not want to change anything, it is more convenient for him, and most importantly calmer, that before promises not to raise taxes for small businesses, they have already quietly raised them (for example, the patent has become much more expensive), and Sobyanin has distinguished himself altogether, from this year a trade tax area, I think if in Moscow it’s a quiet ride, then soon it will be throughout Russia.
    2. marp
      marp 17 January 2017 12: 15
      +10
      Quote: pravednik
      How long will the guarantor of Russia silently swallow all the machinations of thieves

      He is the guarantor of these thieves. You yourself answered your own question.

      And I advise the author to heed the advice of Professor Preobrazhensky.
      And do not watch Kissel TV.
      1. Oleg Monarchist
        Oleg Monarchist 17 January 2017 18: 37
        0
        And do not watch Kissel TV.


        What's this? Did they tell you about KvOchok TV? laughing
    3. V.ic
      V.ic 17 January 2017 14: 14
      +3
      Quote: pravednik
      How long will the guarantor of Russia silently swallow all the machinations of thieves.

      While it guarantees ...
  3. midshipman
    midshipman 17 January 2017 07: 13
    +19
    I personally was disgusted to see this bunch of enemies of Russia. From 1979 to 1989, I had more than 30 enterprises and research institutes, where more than 250 thousand specialists worked. GDP growth rates were 12-20% annually. The production of goods by NP fully ensured the federal wage bill, the profit from the state defense order went to development. The enterprises had children's camps and kindergartens, subsidiary farms, clinics, and stadiums. Who at this gathering came up with a program for the development of promising technologies and intellectual property? I have the honor.
    1. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 17 January 2017 07: 47
      +8
      Quote: midshipman
      I personally was disgusted to see this bunch of enemies of Russia.

      This bunch of enemies of Russia did not appear from the air, out of nowhere! Perestroika with Gorbachev and kO + Yeltsin where did they come from? Is it not from the party nomenclature?
      There was a wonderful USSR country with a powerful economy and "suddenly" it collapsed. There was the Russian Empire and "suddenly" there was a revolution - confusion and vacillation, millions died in the civil war.
      The personnel question, how has been relevant in Russia for centuries, has still not gone away.
    2. Stinger
      Stinger 17 January 2017 08: 56
      +6
      Therefore, people like you are not invited there. Those who rule nothing in production rule the ball. Weaknesses. Attic philosophers with huge aplomb and conceit.
      1. IGOR GORDEEV
        IGOR GORDEEV 17 January 2017 13: 47
        +2
        Quote: Stinger
        Therefore, people like you are not invited there. Those who rule nothing in production rule the ball. Weaknesses. Attic philosophers with huge aplomb and conceit.

        laughing subtly noticed.
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 January 2017 20: 36
      +5
      Quote: midshipman
      In my subordination from 1979 to 1989, there were more than 30 enterprises and research institutes, where more than 250 thousand specialists worked.

      Respected! It turns out that you were in the rank of a branch minister or what? Or was the sector ruled in the Central Committee? So what is it? We owe you our "happy childhood"?
      Then answer one uncomfortable question: Why is the country about ... is it !? You knew better from above - where we were going, why "all as one, and that day is not far off !!!"
      It was impossible to take such a place (unless you are lying, of course) without a membership card ... Yes, and then you were 45-50. So today - summarize what you have lived and regret that you didn’t go to the barricades for national happiness, so what is it? Yeah, damn it, business ....
      Therefore, I try not to get into this kind of showdown. For our people's power, our dear Union, we ourselves pissed away like blind kittens, following the "party line". indulging and assenting to the Marked One, then to FUCK ...
      And now we need to think about how to build "socialism with a human face". Well, at least the same as in Sweden. yes
      Sorry, I couldn’t resist ... I kicked back in my old age ... But I need to do something! Otherwise, serfdom will return again !!!
      IMHO.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 18 January 2017 06: 11
        +2
        For our people's power, our dear Union, we ourselves pissed away like blind kittens, following the "party line". indulging and assenting to the Marked One, then fucking ...
        - KAA boa

        You are mostly right. We all screwed up the Soviet Union. I disagree only on the "party line".
        The entire party cannot be equated with the treacherous top of the "Juda Gorbachev and Co." campaign, and that silent marsh mass that looks into the mouth of any bosses.
        At the 19th party conference, sane heads raised the issue of mistrust in Gorbachev, but unfortunately, the marsh mass at the conference did not heed reason and gave in to the propaganda "There is no alternative to Gorbachev," "they don’t change horses at the crossing."
        Later, already at the Congress of Soviets, when not all loners, but everyone had already seen that the country was heading for chaos, Sazha Umalatova raised this issue, but everyone greeted her with skepticism and misunderstanding, continuing to magnify the one in power.
        What kind of treacherous murderous zombies do not know?
        And most importantly: a similar situation is developing now in the leadership of Russia. Once again, this silent swamp mass, not seeing the main one, and agreeing with the chief, the top leader, idolizing him, and not seeing the obvious, plays a sad role among the people.
      2. midshipman
        midshipman 18 January 2017 08: 05
        +2
        Dear "Boa constrictor KAA", I was from 1979 to 1989 the Head of the 6th GU of the Ministry of Radio Industry of the USSR. I was transferred to this job from Leningrad, where I worked at NII-33. I have the honor.
  4. Alex66
    Alex66 17 January 2017 07: 27
    +8
    A good article, even to add nothing, unless, if the Minister of Economic Development can not develop state corporations, then to the neck of such a minister. And I don’t believe in a cunning plan anymore; Americans are not, so long as not to see anything.
  5. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 17 January 2017 07: 31
    +9
    Last year, too, there was some sort of party like this? The club was some .... The POSITIVE results are not visible. Just some kind of absurdity is a mockery. At least someone says a good word about that Gaidar? A forum named after him --- -that would be immediately clear: thieves and traitors in plain sight of everyone doing their work.
  6. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 17 January 2017 07: 59
    +10
    - Rosatom is the world leader in nuclear energy with billions in revenues.
    - Rostec is a successful state corporation for the export of weapons.
    - Even Rosnano, recently launches profitable and profitable projects.
    Gazprom and Rosneft forgot. By the way, Rosneft has a profit no less than Gazprom. Why sell 20%? Yes, and how to sell (!) -
    In December 2016, VTB provided a bridge loan to buyers of a 19,5% stake in Rosneft in the amount of 692 billion rubles. Thanks to this, the funds arrived in the budget until December 15, RBC reports citing materials from the Singapore company QHG Shares. Singapore QHG Shares at the time of receiving financing from VTB de facto belonged to Glencore: its sole shareholder was the British QHG Investment LLPEstablished in early December by Glencore.
    VTB Bank which itself stands in terms of privatization for 2017December 11, said he did not plan to participate in the privatization of Rosneft. VTB Press Service declined to comment.
    No words, one mate.
    1. marp
      marp 17 January 2017 12: 26
      +3
      We need to support the guys from the Lake. Little to them.
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 18 January 2017 08: 11
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Rosneft has a profit not less than Gazprom. Why sell 20%? Yes, and how to sell (!)

      You - you personally! - Have you ever been on oil well bushes in the permafrost zone? Owned by Rosneft ...
      ... dirt, swamp, garbage dump, dump of scrap metal and ditched equipment! without rubber boots-bogs (for don’t know - they, these boots, almost to the waist - "for this very" ...) you will not get through!
      -----------
      At the "dawn" of perestroika and privatization, a fad arose - let's give up some of the operating oil fields - developed! - to serve foreign companies, for a small share (in oil, of course, well, and green ...). And they gave it away!
      The result is fenced bush bushes, decent roads to them, local lakes in spring, summer and autumn shine with cleanliness, transparency, shine with fish and the power of ecology - geese and swans that have settled on them! And - wells in profits, no "implosions" from the predatory swing of oil ... and it does not stink of gas (look, it will crash ...)! ...
      Then - new trends, taken back! ... They returned the old, familiar and nice-looking picture - dirt, landfill, there are no roads ... But not without profit - goose swans were devoured, however! ...
      -----------------------
      Rosneft, the legacy of the Chernomyrdin practice of "development" ...
  7. CONTROL
    CONTROL 17 January 2017 08: 00
    +5
    The liberal wing in the government takes advantage of the fact that the president is distracted by the solution and operational support of foreign policy and foreign economic problems. And he instructed the social worker to those who should be engaged in her official duties: Kudrins, Shuvalovs, Ulyukaevs, Grefs, Stankevichs, Chubais and Nabiullins ...
    -----------------
    ... and here you can see the fate of Milosevic, Gaddafi, the same Assad ...
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 17 January 2017 08: 19
      +4
      Quote: CONTROL
      And he instructed the social worker to those who should be engaged in her official duties: Kudrins, Shuvalovs, Ulyukaevs, Grefs, Stankevichs, Chubais and Nabiullins

      - Kudrin, Ulyukaev, Gref, Stankevich, Chubais and Nabiullina have nothing to do with the social sphere. For various reasons, but none of them are now to the "social sphere" ... no sideways
      - Shuvalov (who is deputy chairman in the Government) - yes, he has
      - Do you have any complaints personally against Shuvalov?

      Quote: CONTROL
      ... and here you can see the fate of Milosevic, Gaddafi, the same Assad ...

      - Milosevic himself ruined the country and paid for it
      - Gaddafi undertook to play against petrodollar, underestimated the strength of the enemy and also paid for it
      - Assad, instead of trying to negotiate with the Sunnis, began to crush them. Got a war that the States immediately entered (ISIS, but don’t it be mentioned in the Russian Federation)
      - these are the "funny pictures". And what does this whole zoo have to do with the current Russian Federation?

      Some kind of weak analogy, IMHO request
      1. FID
        FID 17 January 2017 09: 21
        +7
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        - these are the "funny pictures". And what does this whole zoo have to do with the current Russian Federation?

        And here, they crush the country ... Analogies, however ...
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 17 January 2017 09: 32
          +4
          Quote: SSI
          And here, they crush the country ... Analogies, however ...

          - China is also crushing ... and many more are crushing ... so what?
          - remind me of the period when Russia was not pressed? I have sclerosis wink
          - the main thing is that Newton’s 3rd law does not forget to work ... preferably, in our favor, of course yes
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 17 January 2017 21: 14
            +4
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - China is also crushing ...

            Dear Zero Cat! hi
            China is impossible to crush! There are no emergencies for entire branches of HH, there state corporations under the leadership of the CPC form the basis of the economic structure! And the private business, which is finely scurrying around, is engaged in the household business, rather than building ships and ICBMs. The same is true in the mining industry.
            Well, if a similar (socialist) way of life won in WWII, then what to talk about now? Comrade Xi understood this. Why our "effective managers" do not understand this - God only knows!
            Although, the monitory infection of the Harvard bottling ate their brains back as a student ... That's why they think that everything can be bought. (And then there’s an economic war, damn it, some sanctions ..)
            - There are petrodollars, go and buy whatever you like ...
            - And to develop national production, invest in the economy of your own country? - The gut is thin in purebreds who have never been engaged in real production, but only on the accounts of clacking !!! yes margin counting!
            That is now our ruling class. There are, of course, exceptions, but extremely rare .... More and more - the financial servants are at the helm, there are practically no manufacturers.
            Therefore, according to their concepts, it is urgent to refuse import substitution. And then everything will be theirs, they will take away the treasury, they will not allow them to make purchases, they will get kickbacks ... there will be seams ... What should they do then? Who will need them then !? laughing (Joke! But with a fraction ... jokes!)
            But.
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 17 January 2017 11: 19
        +3
        [quote = Cat Man Null] - Kudrin, Ulyukaev, Gref, Stankevich, Chubais and Nabiullina have nothing to do with the social sphere. For various reasons, but none of them are now to the "social" ... no sideways [/ quote]
        ... they simply head the government commissions that manage economic and social programs - loans there, mortgages, microfinancing, family support and more ...
        -------
        ... not only in "no" it is worth rummaging!
        [quote] [quote = CONTROL] ... and here you can see the fate of Milosevic, Gaddafi, the same Assad ... [/ quote]
        - Milosevic himself ruined the country and paid for it
        - Gaddafi undertook to play against petrodollar, underestimated the strength of the enemy and also paid for it
        - Assad, instead of trying to negotiate with the Sunnis, began to crush them. Got a war that the States immediately entered (ISIS, but don’t it be mentioned in the Russian Federation)
        - these are the "funny pictures". And what does this whole zoo have to do with the current Russian Federation?
        Some kind of weak analogy, IMHO request[/ quote] [/ quote]
        What a strange assessment of the named leaders! in the style: "I printed it! I cut it, I cut it ..."
        Duc and I are about the same - speak out openly against that (Milosevic did not "ruin the country", but was at the very beginning of its restoration "! For which he paid ...):
        -Restoration of Russia as a world power (world leaders even ignored Putin’s Berlin speech! past ears ...); and now - the frantic lobby! ...
        - What is Russia doing with gas and oil? not as straightforward as Gaddafi, but ...
        - Assad did not have any conflicts with the Sunnis! the confrontation with them began with Iran, with the bombing of the United States, with drones directed by cell phones, falling into the hands of just anyone! the civilian population was destroyed, and the Iranians (in particular - a huge number of Iranian military trained in the USSR) - fled to Syria, Kuwait, to the Saudis ... like this, with a "small" US intervention in the form of slipping odious leaders, ISIS arose - so that there was something "forbidden in Russia" ...)
        Putin today is in a similar situation - he is walking along the path "run in" by the United States, where they are pushing him! He tries to roll - but wherever you go, everywhere the outcome is a general fight!
        Slap the "diberals" (they are not liberals at all ...) - a mess in finances, economics and social sphere ...
        Give the "swamps" up the neck - at least you will get a smelly wave of propaganda directed - most likely - at confessional, national and regional (due to significant differences in social sphere) differences and disagreements ... Belarus is a bell, eh? and quite loud!
        ...Well. etc! Where do you throw -...
        So it remains to do what is beneficial for the rating, image and image ...
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 17 January 2017 17: 17
          +3
          Quote: CONTROL
          ... they simply head the government commissions that manage economic and social programs - loans there, mortgages, microfinancing, family support and more ...

          So ... surname:
          - Kudrin is an adviser somewhere on something, repeatedly sent personally by Putin "on" (give examples, or remember yourself?). It has nothing to do with "social sphere" ...
          - Ulyukaev - suspended "out of distrust." The attitude to the "social sphere" is even less than that of Kudrin
          - Gref is Sberbank, if I'm not mistaken. What does this organization have to do with the "social sphere"? That's right ... has no
          - Stankevich - which of them, please, plz?
          - Chubais is Rusnano. Honorary exile, "Ambassador to Zopu". To "social" - no sideways
          - Nabiullina - before. Central Bank. A purely technical worker, of a high level, but does not define any ideology. For "ideology" there is the National Banking Council:

          Quote: National Banking Council (NBS)
          collegial management body of the Bank of Russia. It includes 12 people. The composition of the NBS is determined as follows:
          - two participants are sent by the Federation Council - from among senators;
          - three - from among the deputies of the choice of the State Duma;
          - three are appointed by the president of the Russian Federation;
          - three - by the government;
          - 12th councilor - Chairman of the Bank of Russia

          It seems everything is intelligible for now?


          Quote: CONTROL
          ... they simply head the government commissions that manage economic and social programs - loans there, mortgages, microfinancing, family support and more ...

          - please give examples of such "commissions", and the names of those who head them
          - Well, that’s just oooooo really interesting ...

          Quote: CONTROL
          Putin today is in a similar situation - he is walking along the path "run in" by the United States, where they are pushing him! He tries to roll - but wherever you go, everywhere the outcome is a general fight!

          - full fly away request
          - that is, for example, the US forced to fire Ulyukaev Putin, right?
          - And they also forced him to create the Rosguard?
          - and they pushed him into Syria (and now they don’t know how to push him)?

          Either explain your idea, or admit that ... they got a little excited, I will say so.

          Quote: CONTROL
          Slap the "diberals" (they are not liberals at all ...) - a mess in finances, economics and social sphere ...

          - why "slap"?
          - it is much better to "level", and let them work for the good of the Motherland ... gritting teeth laughing

          In short, until you convinced me of anything yes
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL 18 January 2017 07: 45
            +2
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            In short, until you convinced me of anything yes

            You - you personally! - Have you ever managed anything?
            So - by "appointment", having received the finished production, collective, enterprise, workshop, SMU, collective farm, military unit, platoon finally easy ?!
            If Yes - that’s who is to blame for the collapse of Russia !!! Because with such thoughts - not just a leader, but just a person - worse than any "liberal" with Bolotnaya!
            -----------------
            All. who is related to finance - indirectly, and often directly, directly - are connected with the "social sphere"! Nabiullina - with "interest rates" and crediting of production - does not affect the "social sphere" ??? !!! "I was crying!" ...
            God, who am I "butting" with? seems to be with a person. having the only correct opinion about everything, not accepting anyone else ... Do you take a tram or subway at least sometimes? Standing - sitting - next to "rams and sheep" / people inhabiting the country in which you live - do not "shake"?
            ... not a retired "general", an hour?
            -------------------
            And I was not going to convince! It seems - a useless occupation, verbiage ... Shukshin Vasil Makarych read the story "Cut!" ... Maybe it will be ashamed?
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 18 January 2017 10: 16
              +1
              Quote: CONTROL
              that's who is to blame for the collapse of Russia !!!

              - well, of course ... the main thing is to appoint the person to blame, then everything will be fixed by itself laughing

              Quote: CONTROL
              All. who is related to finance - indirectly, and often directly, directly - are connected with the "social sphere"! Nabiullina - with "interest rates" and lending to production facilities - does not affect the "social sphere" ??? !!!

              - influences, influences ...
              - you want the discount rate of the Central Bank "to zero"?
              - and a dollar for 1000 rubles - would you like an hour? Prices for everything (fuel, electricity ... food, rent) will very quickly "catch up" to this level, believe me ...

              I mean, the Central Bank's discount rate, of course, affects the "social sphere". But she still influences a lotunderstand already request

              - and by the way, about birdies Nabiullina - I have not in vain written twice who exactly controls the Central Bank. Once again, according to the syllables:
              - National
              - Banking
              - Advice
              - representatives from SovFed, Duma, Government, President. Only 11 goals.
              - plus one (one, Karl! With a single "voice") Chairman of the Central Bank. The same Nabiullina.
              - Is that at least clear ?!

              You ask a lot of questions (), mostly rhetorical. In this case, you are not responsible for your own words. Where are the "government commissions" on social issues, with the names of the "responsible"? Natu ... Well, and so on.

              And don't worry about me. I travel both in the subway and in the train (which is much funnier than the subway at rush hour, believe me). Never "general".

              I’m just used to being responsible for my own bazaar and expect the same from others. I didn’t wait from you for the time being ... well, okay, I’ll survive somehow yes
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      3. V.ic
        V.ic 17 January 2017 14: 17
        0
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Some kind of weak analogy

        ... the analogy is weak, and the results x "are new ...
    2. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 17 January 2017 08: 48
      +3
      Quote: CONTROL
      The liberal wing in the government takes advantage of the fact that the president is distracted ...

      wink
      Quote: captain
      But there is a question, who led the theft of national property?

      And, heads. wink
  8. captain
    captain 17 January 2017 08: 18
    +7
    Dear author, read it and rated it very positively. But there is a question, who led the plundering of the people's property? Wrangel, Denikin, Kolchak, Hitler, Bush, Clinton ... or the main communists of the USSR? Maybe you should analyze the activities of the party for the people, for its entire period of existence, from the beginning of its creation (by whom, when, for what money, the social and national composition of the organizers of this party and whose ideology was taken as a basis in this party) to the present time? Can you remember the slogan "Freedom, equality and fraternity" put forward by this party and bother to read the 1st and 2nd Leninist Constitution? Look there suffrage and compare words and with a document? Maybe you will read the fake of the tsarist secret police and compare it with what happened in Russia and recognize the genius of the creator of the fake "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". ? Can you imagine; invented and came true, here was a brilliant sharper in the tsarist secret police !!! Gaidar and his team, all the children of political workers, political workers of the CPSU. Just do not write about the rebirth, look carefully where the children of our General Secretary live. I think you know, if not, then try to find out, you will be surprised.
    1. FID
      FID 17 January 2017 09: 25
      +4
      Captain, there is no need to repeat the thoughts of the "liberals" ... And about the children of the general secretaries ... They are still at the top, BUT does it make it easier for us? And, in general, I support you very much!
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 17 January 2017 14: 20
      +1
      Quote: captain
      Can you recall the slogan "Freedom, equality and fraternity" put forward by this party

      What? "La liberté. L'égalité et la fraternité" 200 years ago was in the Convention!
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 January 2017 21: 40
      +2
      Quote: captain
      Gaidar and his team,

      Rotmister! Do not you think that all global ideological concepts (Christianity, Darwinism, Marxism, Post-industrialism, etc.) were invented by representatives of the same nationality? Naturally, these were Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov !!!
      The national composition of the Gaidarites is the same! And they covered themselves, as usual, with the "good of the people." K * writes everything correctly, but nothing moves in the right direction from this ... And this is strange !!!
  9. Skeptic Self-Taught
    Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 10: 22
    +6
    I am afraid, gentlemen and comrades, that a revolution in Russia is inevitable.
    What is your evidence, you ask and I have it (s)
    So we have at the moment:
    1. Tsar (president, general secretary, God) Putin whose "rushing" from engaging in foreign policy.
    2. The king either simply does not know HOW to deal with the internal or he does not "rush" from this.
    3. Domestic policy in Russia is the chaos of a kleptocracy, which is headed by "people of the closest circle" and who are "effective managers" who know only how to fill their pockets.
    4. Almost all of Russia's resources, its production facilities are concentrated in the hands of Putin’s closest friends.
    5. A pocket bunch of enemies of the people in the person of EP occupied the State Duma rivets bundles of anti-people laws, thereby escalating the negative to themselves and the Tsar.
    6. Even in the command of the "closest circle" there is no unity, which gave at least, God forbid, the "collective king", that is, an analogue of "seven-boyars", although ...
    7. And the most unpleasant ... The king is 64 years old ...
    So, forecasts for the very near future. Or maybe just for the future.
    Putin is not a boy by age, he is not 40 or even 50. If you theoretically assume that the Lord did not bring, Putin will be gone tomorrow ...
    Every miracle from his immediate circle will immediately begin to pull the blanket over himself, which will eventually tear Russia to shreds. Historical experience suggests that no seven-boyars can agree among themselves, and therefore a war of compromising materials and other dashing 90s will begin with their shooting and so on. How the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs will behave with the Rogvardia is another grandmother said in two, but not the point ...
    Our "partners" will not let go of theirs and will pit some of Putin's friends against others. The result is a civil war, devastation of industry, the collapse of the country, emigration "ichit" in mansions and simply flight from the country in the hope of obtaining "refugee" status and trade in everything - from "live" goods to black transplantation.
    That partners know how to wait, I hope no one has any doubts. And our internal political reality does not leave a single chance for Russia to survive as a country.

    So what to do, you ask, is it all gone?
    And here is the figs!
    There is only one means - to shoot the State Duma, the Tsar's inner circle, on a massive scale, to shoot it - so that they do not crap because they know too many secrets ... to let them out alive. So, after "cleaning" the entire top, with the exception of Shoigu and Lavrov (perhaps there are two more normal ones - the rest are in the dust), put statists in their places in the government than form a government that really thinks about the country, not about its pockets. Introduce an estimated execution (return it) for economic crimes.

    So, there are so two outputs:
    1. Leave everything as it is and permanently erase Russia after Putin from the map.
    2. Urgent replacement of the entire current political elite. And the preservation of the country.
    Blood both there and there - but in the second case it is orders of magnitude less.
    Alas...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 17 January 2017 10: 37
      +3
      Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
      ... I am afraid, gentlemen and comrades, that a revolution in Russia is inevitable ... ... There is only one way - to massively shoot ...

      As a long time ago I read a book about slave traders. Its meaning is that when slaves from Africa were transported to America by ship, a riot broke out on it and all the whites were thrown overboard. As a result, it turned out that none of the blacks can control the ship. So they all died on this ship, except for one ...
      You propose to destroy all managers, and who will lead the country?

      Can you first bring up sane managers, you look and shoot no one will have to?
      1. Skeptic Self-Taught
        Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 10: 40
        +6
        Boris55.
        And how in Soviet times did you select cadres in the ministries? They took smart, thinking CEOs, chief engineers from factories ... Not the poor, as Ilyich wrote - but smart, competent specialists, until they all died out.
        So it is here. I believe that it would be a desire to find not lizoblyudov, but sensible - would be found.
        And then, read carefully: the closest circle of the Tsar - do you think there are sensible ones? Well, yes ... Greff, Kudrin ... these have already "steered" ...
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 17 January 2017 10: 47
          +1
          Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
          And how in Soviet times did you select cadres in the ministries?

          What time are you talking about: Trotsky-Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev-Brezhnev or Gorbachev-Yeltsin?
          Yes, and - all revolutions are made with bourgeois money and in the interests of the bourgeois.
          1. Skeptic Self-Taught
            Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 10: 53
            +2
            Alas, you are right about the revolution ...
            Which way out? The collapse of the country?
            Putin will not chop his head ...
            And I found Brezhnevskoe time. I heard about earlier times only from older comrades.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 17 January 2017 11: 12
              0
              Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
              Which way out? The collapse of the country?

              No. on the contrary, the unification of as many countries around us as possible. Globalization is an objective process, but who will lead it ...

              The United States offered the world a formula for globalization: “Whoever is not under us is against us. Russia has put forward its slogan:“ Guys, let's live together. ”The peoples of the world have already abandoned the idea of ​​globalization in the United States, but have not yet joined the idea of ​​globalization in Russian ...
              A change in the social system without revolutions and upheavals is possible. "There is nothing more powerful in the world than an idea whose time has come" - Hugo. In Russia there is such an idea and it is stated in the materials on the COB.
              1. Skeptic Self-Taught
                Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 11: 17
                +7
                Boris.
                Again...
                Tomorrow the Tsar - ALL, Russia, as a state does not exist! Because no. Those who are near now will fight for power, and the West will help them in this. Killing Russians with the hands of Russians is the dream of the arrogant Saxons.
                I'm not talking about globalization. I don’t give a damn about the USA, Europe, etc. I live in Russia. I was born here, my ancestors lived here, my grandfathers won me the happiness of living free! I want Russia to be preserved, but I do not see a way to preserve it in the current conditions. There is no this way. Kudrins and Sechins - they will sell everything in pieces!
                That's why my soul hurts.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 17 January 2017 11: 40
                  +5
                  Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
                  Tomorrow the Tsar is gone - EVERYTHING

                  The role of personality in history is great. Putin is not king, he is a representative of the clan of the security forces and pursues a policy in the interests of the security forces. Medvedev is a representative of the bourgeois clan and pursues a policy in the interests of the bourgeois. The siloviki have strength, the bourgeois have capital. Representatives (watching) of one or the other are both surrounded by Putin and surrounded by Medvedev.
                  The difference between Putin's and Medvedev's is that Putin's say: "Russia is our cow and we milk it," while the Medvedev's want to sell Russia at a higher price, get a whip from the owner, serve him faithfully and reign here.
                  I am not happy with neither those nor the others. It is necessary to change the social system ...
                  1. Skeptic Self-Taught
                    Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 11: 49
                    +2
                    Even in your situation it is clear that those who want to sell more expensive will get the upper hand. As they accept such nonsense in laws, and the Tsar signs them ...
                    In conscience, yes, neither the first nor the second are satisfied - which means which way out?
                    You write to change the social system - in any case, a revolution.
                    So it is better to strangle the civil war in the "embryo" by eliminating "palace revolutionaries" than to rake it out in full ...
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 17 January 2017 11: 57
                      0
                      Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
                      and the king signs them ...

                      The President does NOT have the right: not to sign the law or amend it. Constitution: Article 107
                      3. If the President of the Russian Federation rejects it within fourteen days from the receipt of the federal law, the State Duma and the Council of the Federation will again consider this law in the manner prescribed by the Constitution of the Russian Federation. If, upon repeated consideration, the federal law is approved as previously adopted by a majority of at least two-thirds of the total number of members of the Federation Council and deputies of the State Duma, it is subject to signing by the President Russian Federation within seven days and made public.
                      What else does the president, according to the Constitution of Russia, have no right to do: http://79.120.77.163/klin-9/?p=1772
                      Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
                      in any case, a revolution.

                      It is possible to change the social system in an evolutionary way in 50 to 75 years.
                      1. Skeptic Self-Taught
                        Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 12: 07
                        +2
                        We do not have this time. Because, while maintaining the current trend, Russia will disappear from the world map as a state within its current borders in 20-25 years
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 17 January 2017 11: 01
      +1
      7. And the most unpleasant ... The king is 64 years old ...
      So, forecasts for the very near future. Or maybe just for the future.
      Putin is not a boy by age, he is not 40 or even 50. If you theoretically assume that the Lord did not bring, Putin will be gone tomorrow ...
      You have feverish delirium. Does Putin need to be 40 years old or 50? Baba-yaga against. Putin is not a boy by age, then there is oil in the head and it is impossible to blow in his ears. No, God ordered Ethiopia or Estonia to be 40, but Russia ...
      There is only one way - to massively shoot the State Duma, the Tsar’s inner circle, namely to shoot - that would not be spoiled because they know too many secrets ... to release them alive. So it was already 100 years ago, so as not to waste time on trifles and "do not walk twice" the tsar was also shot. And how many victims of the Civil War were there? + from hunger as a result of it? (10% of the population).
      Blood both there and there - but in the second case it is orders of magnitude less. The calculation method in the studio! How do we count, column or Chokh?
      And so who argues, one juvenile is worth something, genocide.
      1. Skeptic Self-Taught
        Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 11: 12
        +2
        Mauritius
        Thickly trolling, smells of hydrogen sulfide ...
        Did you ATTENTIVELY read the comment you deigned to answer?
        Then we explain: 64 years - a natural population decline. I do not want this in any way, but ... Tomorrow, God forbid, the King was gone. Died. What will you do?
        I kind of clearly painted - if this happens - the country will be torn to shreds. There is no compromise there. So which way out? What do you personally offer? Please note ... our so-called partners - such partners ...
        Do you need a calculation method? Sure, not a problem...
        So - the last example - the failure of the coup in Turkey. How many "swept"? A thousand, ten thousand ?? And if a civil war broke out there, the bill would go to hundreds of thousands. It's the same here.
        Or do you, like the vast majority at VO, instead of thinking first, decide to wave your saber?
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 17 January 2017 14: 23
          0
          Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
          you, like the overwhelming majority in VO, instead of thinking first, decided to wave your saber?

          ...what? Already?
          1. Skeptic Self-Taught
            Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 14: 28
            0
            Has long been. I won’t bring Nicky - otherwise they will say that an informer ...
            You just see for yourself - you will see everything.
            He who has eyes, let him see, he who has ears, let him hear
        2. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 17 January 2017 18: 51
          0
          Quote: Skeptic Self-taught

          Thickly trolling, smells of hydrogen sulfide ...
          Well I’ll troll thinner, maybe it will reach my head.
          And hydrogen sulfide is internal. a) open your mouth; b) inhale-exhale. Feel better?

          Did you ATTENTIVELY read the comment you deigned to answer?
          Read 3 times, enough?
          Then we explain: 64 years - a natural population decline. I do not want this in any way, but ... Tomorrow, God forbid, the King was gone. Died. What will you do?
          How many kings there were and all died, infections, and Russia ... look out the window.
          I kind of clearly painted - if this happens - the country will be torn to shreds. There is no compromise there.
          Well let’s say Russia is already 1000 years old. Literally worth it.
          So which way out? What do you personally offer? Please note ... our so-called partners - such partners ...
          [b] It is necessary to crack! Required. But first in the bathhouse, hangover and forget. And then think with a cold head. "How many grams?"
          Do you need a calculation method? Sure, not a problem...
          Well, well.
          So - the last example - the failure of the coup in Turkey. How many "swept"? A thousand, ten thousand ?? And if a civil war broke out there, the bill would go to hundreds of thousands. It's the same here.
          And who argues, she is civil. Only your suggestions will provoke it, and the West will help and support, and will throw firewood.
          Or do you, like the vast majority at VO, instead of thinking first, decide to wave your saber?

          So I think, who was swinging the saber there?
          Did you ATTENTIVELY read the comment you deigned to answer?
          And made a diagnosis. Heart and soul ached for the people and Russia. But this is not a reason to offer and God forbid to do stupid things. Forum users would love to lay down for the proposed machine gun, but they are aware of all the senselessness and prematureness of this. First, the mess in the USA and Europe, and only then ......
          1. Ivan58
            Ivan58 17 January 2017 19: 09
            +1
            In fact, in 1991 Russia (USSR) was shredded.
    3. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 17 January 2017 19: 31
      0
      Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
      I am afraid, gentlemen and comrades, that a revolution in Russia is inevitable.

      Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
      Tomorrow the Tsar - ALL, Russia, as a state does not exist! Because no.

      Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
      You write to change the social system - in any case, a revolution.

      Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
      We do not have this time. Because, while maintaining the current trend, Russia will disappear from the world map as a state within its current borders in 20-25 years

      Wow!
      Do you read what you write?
      On the one hand, a roar is inevitable, but on the other, I don’t want a civil war, and after 20 years there will be no Russian Federation request
      Such a mess, I'm sorry.
      First: who told you that GW is inevitability, following the revolution?
      Second: do you care when dying, with the tsar or after 20 years, when the RF will not?
      Third: the tsar is not Russia.
      You should read the classics, everything is spelled out there.
      Here either - or, or the dictatorship of the proletariat, or the Camprador bourgeoisie, everything else is Menshevism.
      And the bourgeois GW bugbug has been chasing them for several years now and they are threatening us with a finger, be silent, they say, but that's how it starts.
      Do not worry, there will be no GV, not that case, there is no White Guard and nothing holds them here. in short.
      But in general, everyone is talking about the same thing, only in different words and they want in different ways. lol
  10. Dobrovic
    Dobrovic 17 January 2017 10: 28
    +8
    Yes, I hear about the advantages of private property over state regularly. And you yourself, you know, have a concrete example: energy, in which I work and visit various enterprises, both state and private. There are limitations in funds both here and there, but if money is invested in state-owned companies and new equipment and new stations are built, then private companies often squeeze every last drop, which was built during the Soviet Union, it’s necessary to work on the brink, equipment at any moment it can fall apart, if the profit of a particular station is there, it disappears in the generating company.
    And since the article deals with Rosatom, I will honestly say that I also have big doubts about its effectiveness. I really want to see a powerful corporation, which will be the first in the world in nuclear energy, but considering what the specialized institutions have turned into, I’m not at all sure that we will be able to be the best until we set up personnel production, as in everything in principle.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 17 January 2017 10: 52
      +6
      Quote: dobrovic
      in state-owned companies money is invested in new equipment and new stations are built, in private companies everything is squeezed out to the last drop ... you have to work on the brink, the equipment can fall apart at any time, if a particular station has profit, it disappears in generating company.

      Yes, I came across repeatedly!
      The generating company - "Muscovites", as a rule - "throw" money to upgrade equipment, unfortunate pennies! And on the spot they are racking their brains - where to put this money: there is not enough for a worthwhile and necessary repair and renovation ... to drink, or what? ...
      ------------------
      ... t. called "Muscovites" - bought up specialized enterprises and production in the provinces (with the connivance of local administrations), and - squeeze the last "juices" out of them ... Squeezed out - they throw away! And we - are restoring, d-u.r.ni! ... a rhetorical question - how long? ...
  11. Dobrovic
    Dobrovic 17 January 2017 11: 09
    +2
    Quote: CONTROL

    Yes, I came across repeatedly!
    The generating company - "Muscovites", as a rule - "throw" money to upgrade equipment, unfortunate pennies! And on the spot they are racking their brains - where to put this money: there is not enough for a worthwhile and necessary repair and renovation ... to drink, or what? ...
    ------------------
    ... t. called "Muscovites" - bought up specialized enterprises and production in the provinces (with the connivance of local administrations), and - squeeze the last "juices" out of them ... Squeezed out - they throw away! And we - are restoring, d-u.r.ni! ... a rhetorical question - how long? ...


    I would not divide into "Muscovites" and disadvantaged. If you are talking about a specific private generating company, please indicate. Many generating companies are regional and today have little to do with Moscow. I will say more, now there is a tendency, on the contrary, to take out the state from Moscow.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 18 January 2017 07: 24
      +1
      Quote: dobrovic
      I would not divide into "Muscovites" and disadvantaged. If you are talking about a specific private generating company, please indicate. Many generating companies are regional and today have little to do with Moscow. I will say more, now there is a tendency, on the contrary, to take out the state from Moscow.

      "Muscovites" - not by chance in quotation marks! They may not be Muscovites, but from the neighboring capital ...
      And similar - not only and not so much in the energy sector! In construction, especially in the construction industry and metalworking - much worse! So - not you alone, and not you worse than everyone ...
  12. 0255
    0255 17 January 2017 11: 19
    +2
    I don’t understand what’s the matter, why Putin’s praiser Ivan Pobeda is rocking the boat, criticizing Putin’s government ??? belay Really the State Department was on sale ??? laughing
    But we need to increase the responsibility of the authorities to the country and people. Need control and accountability. And not selective, but universal. Equality before the law is needed so that those who have stolen millions from the country's budget do not sit under house arrest, but sew mittens in the zone. Still simple!

    So this is called "rocking the boat", after which everything will be "like in Ukraine", and whoever wants a decent standard of living and the fight against corruption is an agent of the State Department, a liberalist and the fifth column.
    1. demotivator
      demotivator 17 January 2017 11: 32
      +3
      Here in the Russian Federation, "for the responsibility of the authorities to the people" is already being tried. Yuri Mukhin, Barabash, Sokolov and Parfyonov. The guys just wanted to hold a referendum on this topic - and now come to the dock!
  13. demotivator
    demotivator 17 January 2017 11: 28
    +7
    "Gaidar Forum", "Gaidar Forum" ... But what kind of Gaidar is he? It's a gangway for them. Solomyansky! How much can you slander the name of the famous writer - Arkady Gaidr, who once long ago adopted Timur's stepson, who impudently appropriated the pseudonym of his stepfather. Note - not his last name, but his pseudonym! The granddaughter of the nosy Timur, Maria, who was born Smirnova, bore this surname until the age of 20, and then was renamed "Maria Gaidar", did the same. Disguised, devils ...
  14. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 17 January 2017 12: 07
    +5
    The Gaidar Forum is a bunch of state liquidators.
    The liberal model of the economy has long been shown to be ineffective. The Ministry of Economic Development has lowered the economy to the bottom does not have the right to be called that. This is the Ministry of Economic Degradation and State Elimination.
    You argue about who is to blame. As the family says, it’s not without a freak that in any large structure there will be those who will destroy it on purpose or out of their own perplexity.
    So, the USSR was destroyed by people without conscience, intelligence, and just traitors and grabbers.
    If today we are talking about changes, then the fate of the country should be decided by honest people, smart, educated, experienced, competent, and always honest. Only where to get them: diplomas can be stamped, but liberals have no idea of ​​honor and humanity
  15. Boris55
    Boris55 17 January 2017 12: 20
    0
    Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
    We do not have this time.

    Russia is many thousands of years old. During this time, many social devices and even more rulers changed. Russia was, is and will be.
    1. Skeptic Self-Taught
      Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 12: 34
      +4
      Boris.
      I'm afraid you don't want to understand at all. Yes, Russia is more than a thousand years old ... And history knew many examples of how a state that had a huge influence in the world or on a separate continent slipped into obscurity.
      Examples: Greece, Persia, Roman Empire, France, Germany ...
      More active nations and countries entered the arena.
      Alas, now there is a clear tendency to make Russia sunset. Education, medicine, kleptocracy are elements of one strategy. The development of social networks and the Internet, in which same-sex love is promoted, childfree and so on - from there. Patriarchal foundations violate, show young people false values ​​- from there.
      These are links of one chain, which are exacerbated by the fact that the country is actually led by traitors to the interests of the state. In this situation, the inevitability of a civil war is personally obvious to me.
      On the other hand ... it is easier to lead uneducated slaves, such as a herd, where the shepherd will drive, and there she will go. We do not have time for bloodless evolutionary paths. It’s not easy!
      Yes, Russia as a territory will be preserved. Russians as an ethnic group will survive a little less - they will dilute us, destroy the mentality, and so on. And this trend is already visible.
      An example of Ukraine does not teach what?
      The question is that having broken up Russia into small "principalities", we will all be devoured one by one, and I can see that.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 17 January 2017 13: 10
        +1
        Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
        Yes, Russia as a territory will be preserved. Russians as an ethnic group will survive a little less - they will dilute us, destroy the mentality, and so on. And this trend is already visible.

        Are you wondering whether the Russians will remain the dominant nation in the future? It only depends on us. They do not force vodka down our throats. With the advent of the Internet, their monopoly on information and its interpretation has been lost. As confirmation of this - the elections in the United States. No matter how the media tried to attribute the victory to Clinton, Trump won. The people's understanding of what is happening is constantly growing. Soon they will no longer be able to fool the people. The level of education of the "elites" is falling, which forces them to lower the education of everyone else ...
        In general, I am calm for the future of Russia. Now the main battle for minds is taking place on the Internet. We will win on this front - everything else will follow.
        1. Skeptic Self-Taught
          Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 13: 31
          +7
          You don’t want to hear me at all.
          Vodka can be poured into the throat by force, or it can be poured without any education. When a person instead of reading a book will enjoy the primitive.
          And the degree of understanding by the people of what is happening - I would have your confidence. It seems to me that it is not the degree of understanding that is growing, but the degree of "approval". And as the level of education goes down, the understanding of the "current moment" will be lower and lower.
          A typical example: the sale of Rosneft ... everyone understands, but no one can do anything. And they hang noodles on their ears that "everything is fine, beautiful marquise" ...
          Well ... everyone lives with his ...
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 17 January 2017 13: 38
            0
            Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
            You don't want to hear me at all

            I hear your concern about the future of Russia.
            Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
            Vodka can be poured into the throat by force, or it can be poured without any education.

            It is an element of ideological power over which the "elite" is losing influence.
            About Rosneft. The right to determine the "firm" for the extraction and development of natural resources, which, according to the constitution, belong to the people, should be determined by the people, as well as the determination of the salaries of the leaders of the "firm".
            1. Skeptic Self-Taught
              Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 13: 47
              +2
              Do you want to say that our education is growing? :)
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 17 January 2017 13: 49
                0
                No. Education level is falling. I wrote above - a stupid elite can rule only more stupid people.
                Tartaria on Channel One: http://79.120.77.163/klin-9/?p=9424
  16. All1
    All1 17 January 2017 13: 50
    0
    After the 6th minute, Ivan (?) Otmazyvatsya from the article for calls for the overthrow of classmates! )))
  17. EvgNik
    EvgNik 17 January 2017 14: 15
    +6
    Quote: Boris55
    In general, I am calm for the future of Russia.

    Do you read the Russian dictionary of swear words? This will be the answer to the nonsense that you smack.
    Quote: Boris55
    I am not happy with neither those nor the others. It is necessary to change the social system ...

    Your words, you must change the system, then everything suits you. Decide.
    Quote: Boris55
    Can first bring up sane managers

    Will we have time to do this? And where is the guarantee that managers are not brought up in the words of Lavrov?
    There are sane ones now, only who will let them close to power?
  18. Proton
    Proton 17 January 2017 17: 59
    +2
    I now think that with the liberals it is necessary like Lenin, with the bourgeoisie (especially since the year 17 is suitable) laughing also to root this infection and eliminate, as a class element, these political prostitutes.
  19. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 17 January 2017 18: 49
    0
    Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
    a revolution in Russia is inevitable.
    So, there are so two outputs:
    1. Leave everything as it is and permanently erase Russia after Putin from the map.
    2. Urgent replacement of the entire current political elite. And the preservation of the country.
    It is necessary without revolution. That's how you want to get out, but you need to do everything cleanly and without dust.
    Guard let tear inspirers and thieves to shreds.
    1. Skeptic Self-Taught
      Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 19: 08
      +1
      Well, tell me the way out!
      You see, everything here is clever, how to criticize, and how to offer what - hunchback excuses sculpt ...
      Offer a way out of the situation - please.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 17 January 2017 19: 17
        +2
        Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
        Offer a way out - please

        - if you personally - then "do not fuss under the client" (c)
        - if in general - then too ... do not fuss ... "do as you must, and come what may"
        - Conceive to arrange a revolution - let me know, you won’t regret it. I’ll not hurt you to shoot, you won’t be tormented too much laughing
        1. Skeptic Self-Taught
          Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 19: 27
          +1
          Well, you can already bend - a precedent has been created, according to the law of "non-reporting", so go for it.
          Work on finding the precedent yourself on the net — I’ll give you a hint — yesterday the info went through, what Chechens were attracted to, that they didn’t tell about the sidekick who went to ISIS ...
          And here it is ...
          So go for it.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 17 January 2017 19: 31
            +3
            Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
            But here it’s generally ..

            - Th-You are now ... indistinct somehow ... abused, or what? wink
            - as for me - I said everything I wanted
            - But in gevolution it’s better not to play, do not even think about them. Matches for children is not a toy stop
            1. Skeptic Self-Taught
              Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 19: 35
              +2
              Alas and ah, I do not use the drunk from the word at all.
              I answered, just as I wanted, I said.
              On the last line I will tell a joke:
              - Son, we spoiled you! We will punish!
              - Where does this world go ?! Spoiled means YOU, but to punish ME!
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 17 January 2017 19: 40
                +2
                Not the funniest joke. Here is the best, IMHO:

                Quote: Five Italic goods

                - long life
                - easy death
                - deep sleep
                - fat belly
                - and tight wallet


                This is not a joke, by the way. Source -

                1. Skeptic Self-Taught
                  Skeptic Self-Taught 17 January 2017 19: 44
                  0
                  You cannot refuse Chinese wisdom.
                  1. Prince of Pensions
                    Prince of Pensions 18 January 2017 19: 37
                    0
                    You will not praise yourself, no one will praise you?
                    Who else can not refuse wisdom?
                2. vlad-58
                  vlad-58 18 January 2017 19: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Not the funniest joke. Here is the best, IMHO:

                  And why is this stupidly philistine "wisdom" better!
                  Quote: Five Italic goods

                  - long life
                  - easy death
                  - deep sleep
                  - fat belly
                  - and tight wallet


                  ... taken from a purely liberal opus of a typically liberal "author"! Doesn't change by gender? and so I want to change ... Because this Elena - well, never "author"!
  20. Isograph
    Isograph 17 January 2017 20: 24
    +1
    Ivan Respect. On the count of justice all this evil. It is time to cleanse the power of these Augean stables .And drive all the liberoid grooms by a rotten broom from power.
  21. Karabin
    Karabin 17 January 2017 21: 34
    +3
    infoIVAN №15 ★ Bourgeois attack?
    Ivan wake up. They have long won.
    The Gaidar Economic Forum is an amazing event for Russia.
    The forum has been held since 2010. The venue of the forum is the Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration. 8 times in a row, the same place. Putin is the same in power. What’s so surprising?
    But we need to increase the responsibility of the authorities to the country and people. Need control and accountability. And not selective, but universal. Equality before the law is needed so that those who have stolen millions from the country's budget do not sit under house arrest, but sew mittens in the zone. Still simple! Justice is what all of us need.
    All right, of course. It's only late. In the fat years of "getting up from your knees," you screamed from industry, science and education. Admired by the talents and courtyard jokes of "The Most Influential", let off steam on useless bulk / German and bananobama, puffed up with small-caliber "made with us" and tore a vest for Novorossia that we weren't leaving our own people while they were talking on TV. And as they stopped showing, theirs disappeared somewhere. How are you going to control the power? Through the elections? So they were recently and the party of Medvedev, you hate, won with almost no score. Through street protests and strikes? So this is the Maidan and the marsh, you branded repeatedly. Or can you already rock the galley? Petitions to the good Tsar remain. Nadezhda will choose from a dozen, on the air she will solve the problem with the road in Omsk, the boiler room in Bratsk and the puppy for the child in Vorkuta. Enough for a week. Everything, the rest were not lucky. Control and accountability from whom will you start demanding? Is it really from the 86% itself, or from Shuvalov-Dvorkovich? Or from the Duma? Yes, they put all of you on top of you and each one individually. This is already a caste of masters. They control this and demand accountability. In addition to a protest decision, and a very high intensity ... with all the ensuing risks, your Wishlist will not even begin to be realized. And this is not your topic. You gave all the protests to the liberals. So keep writing further about "the reactor, about the beloved lunar tractor", about the wisdom of the king, about the invincible power, teach us patriotism. And forget about the Gaidarites, because they are a berry of the same field with the wise king. Don't rock a boat with holes. Don't speed up the process.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 18 January 2017 07: 15
      +1
      Quote: Karabin
      infoIVAN №15 ★ Bourgeois attack?
      Ivan wake up. They have long won.
      The Gaidar Economic Forum is an amazing event for Russia.
      The forum has been held since 2010. The venue of the forum is the Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration. 8 times in a row, the same place. Putin is the same in power. What's so surprising ?.

      You need to know the enemy by sight! and under the transcript ... "Echo of Moscow" also concerns!
      ---------------
      And with the rest - it's straight to Bolotnaya! Because everything that has been said is a dry truth, an immutable truth, an enduring, Old Testament truth, which came directly this evening from the "west"; adopted and revised locally ... grants have been allocated, disbursed and already spent ...
  22. 1536
    1536 18 January 2017 03: 00
    +1
    The time has not come for a new leader to appear in Russia. Therefore, it must be noted that the near future for these losers from the forum. However, every year they began to look more and more like clowns. They either cry by the stream, or laugh like crazy, or they shit normal people, again, passing it off as a joke. And these are ministers, heads of huge enterprises, owners of factories, newspapers, ships. However, this suggests that since the country still exists, these people are really a screen. This is a circus, a theater. But behind all this are real people who do the job. And it remains hoped that they need Russia not collapsed, strong. Otherwise, collapse cannot be avoided.
    It is simply disgusting to look at these clowns gathered on the "forum"! Isn't it time to change the scenery on the stage so as not to tease people?
  23. pussamussa
    pussamussa 18 January 2017 12: 54
    +3
    If Arkady Gaidar was alive, he would call this party "Forum of Bad Boys."
    This is a liberoid brother, and who is a godfather is known.