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The second life of the SVD: the legendary rifle and its future

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Recently, unusual automatic sniper rifles began to appear at exhibitions, shooting ranges and in combat units, in which only a professional recognizes the good old SVD - the Dragunov sniper rifle, which was adopted by 1963 in the distant year. The rifle is legendary, but so old that many people have long thought it right to send it to the museum together with the 7,62 x 54 mm cartridge, which was put into service in the 19th century. Some time ago, Valentin Vlasenko agreed with this. Why his opinion has changed, let him tell.




For a long time with varying degrees of success, I am engaged in shooting from a carbine. After shooting to the master of sports in practical shooting, he discovered for himself a high-precision shooting. In this case, the love of semi-automatic rifles remained. But when the price for match ammunition .308 caliber went too high for 200 rubles per shot, I decided that I needed import substitution - a Russian semiautomatic device for the domestic cartridge 7,62 x 54 mm. This cartridge suited me - it worked perfectly from bolted (with a longitudinally sliding rotary bolt) rifles, for example, CB-98 and MT116. Having taken revenge on advertising, I bought a civilian version of the SVD - “native”, all in factory stamps, 1967 year of release. This is a legend, with her older brothers classmates in Afghanistan fought. Put a sight on it and on 100 m assembled a group in 9, see AK-47 collects better. In general, I was very upset because I bought a rifle for $ 3000 - legends are not cheap. I wrote to the seller, to which I received the answer that I simply do not know how to shoot. He laughed at the answer. We had to do something, especially since tuning weapons I have been doing it for a long time - I started with CFRP rifle stocks, and then I took up aluminum forend for Heckler & Koch HK417. Dismantled, began to look what can be done. The two main problems of the SVD are the not hung barrel and the side mount of the optics, on which even the most ideal bracket "walks".



On the first problem, the picture was not very joyful - ideally, the trunk should not touch anything, except for the receiver, to which it is attached. It is impossible to get rid of the gas chamber, but each additional attachment point introduces its own parasitic vibrations when firing, which adversely affects the accuracy of shooting.

When Evgeny Dragunov developed his rifle, he proceeded from the fact that all the iron fittings fastened on the barrel should be seated on the barrel with minimal tension. Unfortunately, for civilian products, the tolerances for the manufacture of fittings may not be observed in order. And as a result, a “sausage” with five clamping is obtained from the barrel - when the barrel heats up, all these clamping begin to work differently from shot to shot.

Valentin Vlasenko - a man who breathed a second life into the SVD. Now you know him in person. And not just snipers.

The second life of the SVD: the legendary rifle and its future


Not relying on others

The problem with clamping the barrel was quite effectively treated by the famous Russian gunsmith Gennady Kozhaev, whom the shooters respectfully call “Mikhalych”. For his work, Gennady Mikhailovich called the price, commensurate with the price of a rifle, and a period of six months. If it was still possible to put up with the price, then the dates did not suit categorically. In addition, the second problem of the SVD, the installation of optics on the side rail, was not solved. This problem is familiar to everyone who is trying to shoot accurately from the SVD for long distances: the rifle gathers a group, but every day this group may find itself in a new place, the average hit point - STF - “walks” on the target. So I had to get down to business myself. Worn out, removed all the accessories from the trunk of his SVD, and I still had a bare trunk. The first version of his rifle was made in draft form, using welding, pieces of steel and forearm from HK417. This Frankenstein weighed six pounds, but the main thing - he started shooting!

For the next three months, I painted a kit - a set of parts that replace the factory ones and eliminate the problems described. Then I looked for another three months who would undertake to do it and, finally, milled the first version of the chassis. Initially I thought of making the SAGE EBR chassis for the American M14 automatic rifle, which was in service with the US Army in 1950 — 1960. It is a large "cup", which puts a rifle. But for this, we would have to change a lot of additional details: the lid check, the fuse box — in essence, the number of parts to be changed was “pulled” to a new rifle and exactly crossed out the possibility of self-installation of the chassis. And it was one of the fundamental moments, the user should be able to put the chassis himself with the help of improvised tools without affecting the main parts.


An earlier version of the SVD Vlasenko,
in which you can still guess the donor - SIDS with a folding butt. Demon's robotic thermal sight gives you at night a multiple advantage over an opponent who doesn't have such a sight. True, he stands like a few sniper rifles.


Therefore, I settled on a three-component chassis. Its central element is a supporting steel coupling mounted on a ledge from the receiver. When this barrel passes through the clutch. The second main element is the upper “bar” (in terms of shooters from AR15 - “Upper”). This element is an aluminum cup with a Picatinny rail with a length of 460 mm on top, having a mount on the regular lateral tail tail and simultaneous mounting over / from the sides on an already installed steel coupling. This turns the “Upper” into a two-arch supporting structure for optics, at the same time adding rigidity to the receiver. The third element of the chassis is the lower hemisphere, which is connected to the clutch and the upper one. Since the top bar for attaching optics has dropped, the base cover requires cutting — after all, it now can be locked butted with an apper. These sacrifices had to be made to ensure the best ergonomics of the final product - the overall vertical size of the rifle did not change. In this case, incomplete disassembly for cleaning and maintenance of the rifle is performed as usual, but without the need to dismantle the optics. Patenting has suddenly become a serious block of design work: not to violate someone else's intellectual property, but at the same time protecting your ideas is just as important as making the product available for sale.



Happened!

The process is carried away - now the eighth version of our chassis will go into production. Constantly we find that we can still improve. For example, it turned out that the majority of SVD trunk looks left and down. And if we make the top bar coaxially with the box, then in some “extreme” cases the corrections at the sight for long-range shooting begin to be lacking and specialized brackets are required for mounting the sight. Therefore, in the new version, the entire plank is milled with a bevel for the necessary 20 angular minutes. This jamb was shown to us, by the way, by the guys serving in special units who are now chasing the samples provided to them "both in the tail and in the mane."


One of the latest versions of SVD Vlasenko
can be identified by the adapter, which raises the axis of the butt, aligning it with the axis of the bore. According to the store, experts can also guess that this model was created under the NATO cartridge .308 (7,62 x 51), the release of which was successfully mastered by our ammunition factories.


The height of the Picatinny rail is made so that the shooter can use standard AR-brackets (made for the AR-15 rifle) for a sight or collimator and he doesn’t need to adjust anything - everything will fit in height. For the chassis kit, we made an adapter that lifts the stock axis, aligning it with the barrel bore axis, so that the recoil does not twist the rifle up and sideways. Plus, we developed and released a gas chamber with the ability to adjust the volume of gas going to recharge. For many civilian shooters, this function was necessary.

At first I thought that I would make ten whales for myself and my friends, But no production was taken for a lot in less than 50 kits. I had to do 50 kits. Taking into account the cost of development, patenting, installation details, errors and unscrupulous suppliers, this batch was “golden”. Part of it was given to the military for tests, part to their riflemen, but, fortunately, the whole game was sold out in a couple of months. The second batch was disassembled by friends of friends. Part of the sets went to the prizes of the arrows at the competitions. Now we are making the fourth batch specifically for the military.

The best compliment for us was that the SVD in our chassis is compared to the Heckler & Koch HK417. Economic calculations are also in our favor. "German" is now cheaper than 360 rubles in Russia can not be bought. The civilian version of the SVD (“Tiger” carbine) costs from 000 rubles, our kit - 40. Total: 000 rubles. You can put a whale in a workshop - three hours of work and 60 rubles. Cartridges are seven to ten times cheaper (!).



Now about the shooting. The Heckler & Koch HK417 gives 1,5 minutes of arc (weapon accuracy) for ten rounds of army match ammunition, but weighs under 5 kg with a 20-inch barrel. Ours with a 24-inch barrel weighs 4,2 kg. At the same time, she puts 10 7N14 sniper cartridges in 1,2-1,5 arc minutes. Gross ammunition - in 1,5-2 arc minutes. And it allows, without dismantling the main sight, to use the entire range of night and thermal imaging attachments, rangefinders and other accessories, without which a modern semi-automatic complex for long-range shooting is unthinkable. So it is too early to write off the legendary SVD for retirement - I hope it will still shoot well.

The Dragunov sniper rifle was not created for snipers in the modern sense of the word, but for the most accurate, accurate shooters in an ordinary military unit.



The main task of modern snipers, working, as a rule, in pairs or groups, is the defeat of important targets with the minimum consumption of ammunition at the maximum range. They are mainly used rifles with a tilt-and-slide shutter with manual reloading, very powerful ammunition, expensive sight complexes, range finders and weather stations. The well-aimed arrows work straight off, in combat formations, at distances up to 600 meters, and the main requirements for their weapons are accuracy and high density of fire. It is under these characteristics and created SVD.

How you can adapt the SVD for new realities, to increase accuracy, can be seen on the example of the Vlasenko rifle. And the company IWT (“Innovative Weapon Technologies”) offers sights, which in modern combat are no less important than the weapons and ammunition itself. And for well-aimed shooters, their value can hardly be overestimated, since they are much inferior to professional snipers in high-precision shooting skills.

Vampire ST is a lightweight and compact recessed ballistic calculator of the new generation.



It easily integrates with a tactical optical sight (in the photo with one of Dedal DH 3 − 12 x 50, one of the best domestic sights), it mates with the vertical correction input mechanism and provides instant automatic calculation of vertical and horizontal corrections. The built-in OLED-display shows the calculated value of the corrections, the distance to the target, as well as the distance of the exact shot for the current position of the drum of vertical corrections. The shooter has two options: if time permits, make the necessary corrections or instantly make the necessary takeaway, guided by the picture on the display.

Vampire ST is optionally equipped with an IWT laser rangefinder, which communicates with the ballistic module via cable or radio channel. As a result, the shooter needs only to aim at the target, press the range-finder button, enter corrections or place the crosshair on the desired values ​​and pull the trigger.

Demon is the younger brother of the automated Sheitan thermal imaging system, about which we have repeatedly told on the pages of our magazine.



And if Sheitan is designed for high-profile snipers (and not all of them can afford this technical miracle), then Demon is the ideal solution for our accurate shooters. In a small complex fit thermal imaging sight, highly selective laser range finder, a device for photo and video fixation, a ballistic calculator, a navigation system and (optionally) a weather station. The list of everything the Demon is capable of takes up a whole page, but in practice it looks like this: you point at a crosshair at the target, pull the trigger, and the bullet hits exactly where the crosshair was. The calculation of the external ballistics, the distance to the target, the elevation angle of the target, the influence of weather conditions, wind and even derivation and the Coriolis effect - all this is done instantly by Demon himself. It looks like a fantasy, but we shot - this is reality. But why then is this not a real sniper device? The fact is that the Demon detects a target at a distance of 1500 m, but it can reliably identify it only on 180 m. Precisely, at such distances in complete darkness, exact arrows work.
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  1. bouncyhunter
    bouncyhunter 14 January 2017 15: 22
    +29
    Excellent article! And already many omnipotents have long buried SVDushechka ... Thanks to the author! good
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 14 January 2017 16: 25
      +25
      I read this article with great pleasure. I plunged into the atmosphere of weapons creativity, something like that reigned in our shooting range in the 70s. The trainer was a paratrooper of the Great Patriotic War, a real master - both as a shooter and as a gunsmith. I remember very well how we finalized the pads for Margolin for high-speed shooting, cut them out of walnut. Exercise MP-8, "olympic", target shortened pistol cartridge. I remember very well how they did the same with an arbitrary match IZH-1, with rifles Taiga, MTs-12, SM-2, etc.
      Many of us became masters of sports of the USSR, performed both in the Union and in Europe. Some had to work with SVD in Afghanistan. Very useful preparation.
      And all of us, without exception, for the rest of our lives have kept in our hearts that fusion of skill and creativity.
      1. OlegLex
        OlegLex 18 January 2017 14: 50
        0
        I completely agree with you, I want to add on my own that I was amazed how our professors shot at the shooting range so the coach set them as an example for us to follow.
    2. Svateev
      Svateev 24 January 2017 00: 12
      +1
      The article has a lot of mistakes. For example:
      we made an adapter that raises the axis of the stock, aligning it with the axis of the barrel channel so that the recoil does not rotate the rifle up and sideways.

      But the SVD has a departure angle of ZERO minutes, see Table 10 from "Tables of shooting at ground targets from small arms of 5,45 and 7,62 mm calibers, GRAU". That is, there is no recoil shoulder, recoil does NOT raise the barrel up and therefore it is not required to raise the butt axle. And the master-crazy pens from the article, raising the butt axis, thereby drove the departure angle into the "minus" and it's good if the range of alignment of a particular sight allows these "minuses" to compensate, otherwise the alignment range may not be enough!
      The barrel of the SVD is not thrown back, but by the operation of the reloading mechanism, and this happens after the bullet leaves the barrel. And this tossing of the barrel cannot be eliminated by raising the axis of the butt, otherwise they would have done so right away when designing the SVD. For example, they did this for all Kalashnikovs — the departure angle was designed in minuses — for AKM minus 2 minutes (Table 2), for AK74 minus 4 minutes (Table 1). But this did not eliminate the toss of the SECOND bullet in the queue. Even at 100 range, the second bullet of the queue stably lays above the first by approximately 20 cm.
      So raising the buttstock axis is an invention of practitioners not familiar with the basics of shooting. Illiterate and useless fiction. And with some sights, the range of sight alignment may not be enough and it will become simply impossible to hit.
    3. Svateev
      Svateev 24 January 2017 00: 29
      0
      Stories about a sight from the same opera that is not firmly seated in a standard side mount "dovetail": you need to read the instructions for the sight, it indicates which nut must be tightened on the sight bracket to securely fix the sight in the mount. But the speed of attachment in "dovetail" is much faster than on "picatinny".
  2. Operator
    Operator 14 January 2017 15: 51
    +7
    What sucks is this SVD, even if after complete modernization it fires with accuracy of 1,5 arc minutes.

    And it is not a fact that the Kalashnikov concern in its new self-loading rifle will be able to improve this indicator.

    "The place is damned" (C) am
    1. cap
      cap 14 January 2017 16: 01
      +21
      Quote: Operator
      What sucks is this SVD, even if after complete modernization it fires with accuracy of 1,5 arc minutes.

      And it is not a fact that the Kalashnikov concern in its new self-loading rifle will be able to improve this indicator.

      "The place is damned" (C) am


      The operator in the Caucasus for the SVD, when she went to the troops, the highlanders paid the equivalent of GAZ 21, so I don't believe you about the "damned place". Yes, and judging by the reaction, they never held it in their hands. hi
      1. Operator
        Operator 14 January 2017 16: 10
        +4
        Children of the mountains, what is their demand bully
        1. cap
          cap 14 January 2017 16: 45
          +12
          Quote: Operator
          Children of the mountains, what is their demand bully


          You can imagine what it takes to take a tour from a distance ... well, at least 500 meters, but this is meat, food after all. And the children of the mountains have a family and they all want to.
          And there’s only one demand from dad that we’ll eat. (The children will ask you) it seems we have a useless dialogue. You probably don’t have children, and you don’t imagine that weapons are a way of survival, not a toy.
          1. Victor_2
            Victor_2 14 January 2017 22: 59
            +3
            Cattle was mined. They were shot from old Cossack carbines. A short twist of Mosin. Carbines were slightly altered. They welded 300-400 mm of a new barrel through a steel coupling. The coupling was mounted on the barrel and welded. Then a piece of the new barrel was inserted into the coupling. Carefully rotating, notched often. one two shots and had to redo Cattle closer than 500 does not allow Mushka closes the cattle completely so the carbine was fixed with stones, pulling the bolt, pointing over the barrel to any spot on ska noy wall and waited for another approach on the trigger and watched the second gave the command in square 20x20 cm fell clearly Coupling 150-200 grams stood between the second and third parts of the barrel
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 15 January 2017 18: 28
              0
              Victor 2/XNUMX/XNUMX

              Wow. Well give.

              And what to do, if necessary.
      2. cap
        cap 14 January 2017 16: 13
        +5
        And judging by the reaction, they never held it in their hands.
        And you never had such a sign.
        1. megavolt823
          megavolt823 14 January 2017 17: 12
          +8
          SVD is a self-loading rifle. and confuse with manual loading is not necessary. characteristics will be different. SVD is not for hunting or sport. it is a weapon for war. for soldiers who served from six months to a year. tactics of use with manual loading and semi-automatic are different. the choice of weapons determines the theater of use. although to whom I am trying to explain. it never worked out. product price? Compared to our ORSIS T-5000. T-5000 ordinary idiot from the village or village will not be given. and there are many of them. The topic is not about those limbs. hi
    2. avt
      avt 14 January 2017 16: 58
      +10
      Quote: Operator
      What sucks is this SVD, even if after complete modernization it fires with accuracy of 1,5 arc minutes.

      Quote: cap
      And judging by the reaction, they never held it in their hands.

      A computer shooter who didn’t even bother to read the article, and if he did, he certainly didn’t comprehend it.
      The Dragunov sniper rifle was not created for snipers in the modern sense of the word, but for the most accurate, accurate shooters in an ordinary military unit.
      What is called a Marxman in the West and the same USs do not disdain to upgrade the M-14 for them. And those who are shortly called snipers, again for outstanding commentators, see article
      The main task of modern snipers, working, as a rule, in pairs or groups, is the defeat of important targets with a minimum expenditure of ammunition at maximum range. They mainly use rifles with a rotary-sliding shutter with manual reloading, very powerful cartridges, expensive sighting systems, rangefinders and weather stations.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 14 January 2017 17: 35
        +2
        Quote: avt
        The main task of modern snipers, working, as a rule, in pairs or groups, is the defeat of important targets with a minimum expenditure of ammunition at maximum range. They mainly use rifles with a rotary-sliding shutter with manual reloading, very powerful cartridges, expensive sighting systems, rangefinders and weather stations.


        Do we have such troops? And what are they armed with? The heirs of the B-94 *
        1. avt
          avt 14 January 2017 18: 00
          +2
          Quote: Avis
          Do we have such troops? And what are they armed with? The heirs of the B-94 *

          If you want a 12.7 x 108 cartridge, then KORD-M But in general, look for it yourself on weapons websites, if you are reluctant to rummage around in the archive and dress it up. Well, now it’s not God knows what a secret it is.
    3. Havoc
      Havoc 14 January 2017 18: 12
      +5
      Dear to call a sediment rifle, which can still not be repeated in the West, at least stupid, if not more rude. SVD is a certain type of sniper weapon, a battlefield rifle as reliable as AK, RPG-7, automatic rifles will always yield inferior accuracy to this design flaw. And if you make trunks on those machines on which ORSIS make their trunks, then the accuracy will be much higher as well as the price.
      1. jjj
        jjj 14 January 2017 19: 44
        +7
        The article itself did not inspire me. The author, as I understand it, if there are no bells and whistles, then the SVD, although he has a civilian carbine, - it sucks, but with bells and whistles like in "the best houses", then it's a candy. As for me, all these advertised body kits are show-off and marketing, so that it is more convenient to sell the upgraded device to customers. I don’t like extra pounds and extra corners that cling to every convenient place. And then, if only by changing the body kits, without interfering with the svol, gas discharge, locking mechanism, the rifle began to hit more accurately, then somehow it starts to put me into prostration. Apparently, I still don't understand much in my life.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 15 January 2017 19: 26
          +6
          Jjj

          Can you read the article carefully?

          The author wrote clearly in white.

          That he "hung" the trunk, removing unnecessary stress points. Which influenced the accuracy of fire. He reduced the accuracy to the maximum, and then combined the plastic fittings with the receiver in order to combine this accuracy with the sighting devices. Well, the butt was aligned coaxially with the barrel, so that the rifle would not be thrown or twisted when fired.

          Call it all a simple body kit, the language does not turn.

          Read carefully and do not rush to print your comments in the hope of earning a couple of pluses.
          1. Svateev
            Svateev 24 January 2017 00: 46
            0
            Quote: gladcu2
            Butt aligned coaxially with the barrel, so as not toss and spin the rifle when fired.

            This is just a useless, and with some sights, harmful effect. See my comments above.
      2. JS20
        JS20 14 January 2017 23: 17
        +2
        Quote: Havoc
        which still cannot be repeated in the west

        Enchanting.
        Quote: Havoc
        automatic rifles will always yield inferior accuracy

        SVD is not an automatic blame.
        1. Havoc
          Havoc 15 January 2017 01: 47
          +1
          Quote: JS20
          Quote: Havoc
          which still cannot be repeated in the west

          Enchanting.
          Quote: Havoc
          automatic rifles will always yield inferior accuracy

          SVD is not an automatic blame.


          The Americans were forced to return the M14, the Germans came closest of all, the HK 33 SG1 sniper rifle is a modification of the German HK 33 assault rifle, representing the least common version of the base model.
          If the SVD is not automatic, then what nonsense do not write.
          1. JS20
            JS20 15 January 2017 01: 58
            +9
            Quote: Havoc
            The Americans were forced to return the M14, the Germans came closest

            Where did you go?
            Quote: Havoc
            If the SVD is not automatic, then what nonsense do not write.

            Semi-automatic. Or, in a different way, self-loading. But not automatic.
            1. jjj
              jjj 15 January 2017 11: 46
              +4
              She doesn’t shoot a line, so it’s self-loading, which is reflected in her name
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 15 January 2017 18: 38
        +3
        Havoc

        Hawok. You didn’t put it right.

        In the west, can do SVD. It's not a problem.
        But SVD, this is not really a sniper rifle in the literal sense. This is something averaged for a mediocre user. This is the right concept of war. And this is something that the West could not realize at one time.

        And respect to the author.

        Because he was able to improve the rifle for modern sights, which means the requirements without changing the concept.

        And by the way, this explains the presence of the new AK-12. But, it is counterarguised by the possibility of altering the existing AK-74 to modern requirements.

        By the way, the Americans, even the AK-47, are customized to modern conditions.

        Well, taking this opportunity, thanks to the author for such competently presented KNOWLEDGE.
    4. Juborg
      Juborg 16 January 2017 01: 28
      0
      OPERATOR, your language is the enemy !!! It's time to distinguish weapons by class and purpose, not small. And if you do not give a damn, then you’ll go to the forelock.
  3. Sedoy
    Sedoy 14 January 2017 16: 12
    +7
    well ... ours don’t need it ... :)
    the main thing for them is to stamp cheap crap into the warehouse and all things ...
    that there is a warrior to bother - he has enough sappers ...
    therefore, we have warehouses and are packed with cheap kalashas, ​​burgers, macars, pps, pps, etc. etc. ...
    to do well - you need to have brains and a desire to work, invest money ...
    it's not for nothing that the symbol of our production - "Zhigul" is called "a bucket of nuts" ...
    so with us in everything ...
    1. Homo
      Homo 14 January 2017 16: 24
      +16
      Well, you're cool! As always, "there are no cats abroad and cheese is free", not like in your sire and downtrodden "rashka"! Whose salary are you working out, the State Department or the Ruins? am
      1. cap
        cap 14 January 2017 16: 49
        +4
        Quote: Homo
        Well, you're cool! As always, "there are no cats abroad and cheese is free", not like in your sire and downtrodden "rashka"! Whose salary are you working out, the State Department or the Ruins? am


        Along the way, he himself does not know laughing
      2. avt
        avt 14 January 2017 18: 03
        +3
        Quote: Homo
        As always, "there are no cats abroad and cheese is free", not like in your sire and downtrodden "rashka"! Whose salary are you working out, the State Department or the Ruins?

        Well, there is still such a contingent of fans throwing their heads at the dung is pure out of love for this dung, but here's the trouble - they like it not just in public, but so that those around it get dirty too.
    2. avt
      avt 14 January 2017 17: 05
      +3
      Quote: Sedoy
      well ... ours don’t need it ... :)
      the main thing for them is to stamp cheap crap into the warehouse and all things ...
      that there is a warrior to bother - he has enough sappers ...

      Another "gifted" and, apparently, "who knew the joy of victories" in passing the levels of computer shooters from the article, where the author specifically explains the difference
      Accurate shooters work on the move, in battle formations, at distances up to 600 meters, and the main requirements for their weapons are accuracy and high density of fire. It is under these characteristics that SVD was created.
      Although judging by
      Quote: Sedoy
      to do well - you need to have brains and a desire to work, invest money ...
      it's not for nothing that the symbol of our production - "Zhigul" is called "a bucket of nuts" ...
      so with us in everything.

      for sure the file from the rasp in terms of application for the material does not distinguish.
      1. cap
        cap 14 January 2017 17: 27
        +3
        Quote: avt
        for sure the file from the rasp in terms of application for the material does not distinguish.


        That's for sure (s).
    3. megavolt823
      megavolt823 14 January 2017 17: 31
      +2
      dear! we have a lot of weapons that half the world doesn’t have. there are only us. poplar m, borey, С400, I'm talking about what is really in the army. TT in stock? where? Makarov on mmg sold out. I'm not saying that the warehouses are empty. but you really aren’t aware of the changes from 2005 to 2017. fool 10 years. and continues to change Obama for joy. hi
      1. jjj
        jjj 14 January 2017 19: 47
        +2
        Makarov is indispensable in narrow spaces - he has little rebound
        1. JS20
          JS20 14 January 2017 23: 24
          +1
          Quote: jjj
          Makarov is indispensable in narrow spaces

          The gun for narrow spaces.
          Wonderful.
          No wonder another thing, how did this gun even get into the SA?
          How did he end up there?
          1. Izotovp
            Izotovp 15 January 2017 12: 52
            +1
            According to the analysis of the use of the gun during the war, can you imagine? Then there were no armor plates and the real range of fire contact for the pistol was considered not on the basis of theory, but on the basis of practice and statistics.
            1. JS20
              JS20 15 January 2017 17: 17
              +1
              Quote: Izotovp
              According to the analysis of the use of the gun during the war, can you imagine?

              "Analyzers" had to be kicked out of the army. And write to the wipers. Because as soon as they were good for this.
              Although, if we also take into account the 7,62x39 mm cartridge with "army weapons" on it, then the GAU of those times could be safely disbanded. Due to the absolute incompetence.
              Quote: Izotovp
              Then there were no armor plates and the real range of fire contact for the pistol was considered not on the basis of theory, but on the basis of practice and statistics

              Don't worry, of course, but where did you get "practice and statistics"?
              I offhand remember only 2 pistols that fit into the category of "army pistol" and could be used for statistics of the USSR. These are the German Walter P38 (on a wartime cartridge) and the American Colt M1911. They had nothing more to analyze, not a funny TT.
              1. saruman
                saruman 19 January 2017 15: 55
                0
                Quote: JS20
                JS20 January 15, 2017 17:17 ↑
                Quote: Izotovp
                According to the analysis of the use of the gun during the war, can you imagine?
                "Analyzers" had to be kicked out of the army. And write to the wipers. Because as soon as they were good for this.
                Although, if we also take into account the 7,62x39 mm cartridge with "army weapons" on it, then the GAU of those times could be safely disbanded. Due to the absolute incompetence.
                Quote: Izotovp
                Then there were no armor plates and the real range of fire contact for the pistol was considered not on the basis of theory, but on the basis of practice and statistics
                Don't worry, of course, but where did you get "practice and statistics"?
                I offhand remember only 2 pistols that fit into the category of "army pistol" and could be used for statistics of the USSR. These are the German Walter P38 (on a wartime cartridge) and the American Colt M1911. They had nothing more to analyze, not a funny TT.


                The "great" weapons specialist came to us again ...
                1. JS20
                  JS20 19 January 2017 16: 21
                  0
                  Quote: saruman
                  came the "great" weapons specialist ..

                  Great, not great, but specialist. Extremely rare on this kind of forums.
    4. JS20
      JS20 14 January 2017 23: 21
      +1
      Quote: Sedoy
      to do well - you need to have brains and a desire to work, invest money ...

      You also need to have professional skills, "school". Without this, quality weapons cannot be made.
  4. Großer feldherr
    Großer feldherr 14 January 2017 16: 33
    +14
    NK417 in the sniper version (standard set) accuracy of the order of 1 arc minute, this time.
    "Tigers" for 40 tr. unlikely to show the same accuracy as your $ 3000 barrel, that's two.
    A person who is able to buy a cool electronic scope for dohrenalion is already ready to spend a couple of hundred parts on 308 rounds, the benefit is the most popular caliber and who just does not produce them, these are three.
    Semiautomatic and accurate shooting are incompatible, the same SVD from a sniper rifle has only a name.
    Fans of accurate shooting for a little money will take a bolt and will throw a barnaul more precisely than this extra pocket, not bothering with tuning.
    1. avt
      avt 14 January 2017 18: 05
      +4
      Quote: Großer Feldherr
      "Tigers" for 40 tr. are unlikely to show the same accuracy as your $ 3000 barrel,

      They were originally assembled from the parts rejected by military acceptance back in the USSR for fishermen, although Mosinki and SCS without bayonets also fell to them and SVT ..
    2. Izotovp
      Izotovp 15 January 2017 12: 57
      +1
      Semiautomatic and precision shooting are incompatible? But what about the HK417 you mentioned? Or is 1Moa already a lack of accuracy for a sniper? And how many shooters can realize the capabilities of such a rifle? And at a distance of real, not cinematic combat, accuracy of SVD with its reliability for the eyes, it has been tested for so many years.
  5. m.cempbell
    m.cempbell 14 January 2017 16: 43
    +3
    Quote: Operator
    What sucks is this SVD, even if after complete modernization it fires with accuracy of 1,5 arc minutes.

    I do not agree with you. I’m not a sniper even once, and indeed the shooter from me is so-so, but from the article I realized that the problems of SVD are production
    When Evgeny Dragunov developed his rifle, he proceeded from the fact that all the iron fittings fastened on the barrel should be seated on the barrel with minimal tension. Unfortunately, for civilian products, the tolerances for the manufacture of fittings may not be observed in order. And as a result, a “sausage” with five clamping is obtained from the barrel - when the barrel heats up, all these clamping begin to work differently from shot to shot.
    I think that given our culture of production, the tolerances are also valid for "non-civil" products
    Quote: Sedoy
    the main thing for them is to stamp cheap crap into the warehouse and all things ...
    1. Großer feldherr
      Großer feldherr 14 January 2017 17: 00
      +9
      There is no problem with the SVD, a weapon for war, not a shooting gallery, one of the best in its class.
  6. tracer
    tracer 14 January 2017 17: 03
    +4
    One of the best if not the best article about the reincarnation of SVD. Thank ....
  7. tracer
    tracer 14 January 2017 17: 12
    +2
    Gentlemen, the accuracy of the semiautomatic device in a minute and a half is very decent.
  8. andrewkor
    andrewkor 14 January 2017 17: 16
    +2
    Lefthanders have not yet been translated into Russia and will not be transferred !!!
  9. Kenneth
    Kenneth 14 January 2017 17: 30
    +1
    I correctly understood from the article that civilian versions are rejection from production?
    1. Großer feldherr
      Großer feldherr 14 January 2017 17: 57
      +1
      No, not right.
      But even if you read something like this somewhere on the net, do not believe fairy tales.
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn 14 January 2017 18: 07
        +4
        The civilian version, this is not rejection, but another barrel and cartridge. Compare the data of the hunting and army cartridge with one name 7,62x54 ....
        1. Großer feldherr
          Großer feldherr 15 January 2017 03: 13
          +1
          Yes, everything is the same, and the pitch of the rifling of the same tigers is 240, 280, 320 (which generally indicates a war barrel, because this step is used for armor-piercing bullets), and the barrel length is the same, and the groove is the same. The cartridges are of course different, the main thing for hunting is to get there, the army also needs to break through, hence the slaughter is higher, but this should not affect the accuracy and range.
          They have compared them more than once, many people come to our shooting range with their trunks, although this is forbidden, another thing is that many are afraid of spoiling their barrel with an army cartridge, and they often wedge steel sleeves.
        2. avt
          avt 15 January 2017 11: 27
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          Quote: alex-cn
          The civilian version, this is not rejection, but another barrel and cartridge. with

          Is this a Tiger or what? Well, an SVD clone ?? laughing Do you really imagine production then ??? So, easily two parallel production lines of the same two identical barrel samples are launched ?? wassat
          Quote: Großer Feldherr
          No, not right.
          But even if you read something like this somewhere on the net, do not believe fairy tales.

          laughing Well, yes, but earlier, for some reason, the selection of the same mosquitoes went - sniping to the right, the rest to the left, Well, to Nagan. From the fact that it did not go to the rifles. Do you seriously believe that everything has changed dramatically? bully You really had to see a living military representative at work? The consequences of his work, well, the fate of the parts that did not pass control, too ?? laughing Khosh is like a Khosh, but the old Soviet "Tiger", a civilian clone of the SVD, in terms of the quality of the earth and the sky, naturally an element of luck to get a more or less decent sample was present.
          1. alex-cn
            alex-cn 15 January 2017 15: 50
            0
            I didn't see what parts the tiger was assembled from, but I saw the consequences of its "shooting" with a regular sniper cartridge. The rifling fields were literally torn out in pieces ... By the way, all converted hunting weapons have an additional stamp "OP", which warns of the impossibility of using an army cartridge.
            I will not argue, I was not interested in it myself, but there was talk that the owners of rifled early sales were forced to re-arms.
  10. Vz.58
    Vz.58 14 January 2017 18: 31
    +3
    What is the article about? About the new dress for the old lady?
    Chinese SVD under .308Win (year of production 1994) is sold for 180 Russian rubles, Romanian under 000 x 7,62R for about the same price and cheaper. Something like 54 can be found, but the quality will not be right. Russian SVDN-70 can be bought in a few years, when the army begins to sell, but it will be expensive.
    I have experience with both SVD and the American M14 (adapted for Marxmanns). Both deserve only respect and admiration.
  11. mr.redpartizan
    mr.redpartizan 14 January 2017 18: 43
    +3
    SVD is an excellent weapon for an army sniper, but its design is outdated today. Of the domestic innovations, I liked the ICS the most, but I am a little confused by her too (41 cm) short trunk. Structurally, it is much more advanced than SVD, which makes it easy to install any modern sight on it and achieve accuracy in one angular minute with a sniper cartridge. When switching to a new rifle, a logical step would be to switch to a rimless cartridge. What kind of ammunition will it be? I think the best option would be to develop from scratch a new rifle and machine gun cartridge based on the best world achievements in this area and taking into account all the post-war experience of warfare. The new cartridge should in its performance characteristics exceed NATO 7,62x51 mm, ensuring the defeat of the enemy in promising means of armor protection. Such a cartridge could be 6 mm ammunition 6x49 mm, developed in the USSR in the late 80s. Small caliber, small cartridge weight, high high-elongation bullet ammunition, very high muzzle velocity (1150 m / s) ensured its superiority over the old 7,62x54R in armor penetration, accuracy, direct firing range and ammunition mass.
  12. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 14 January 2017 19: 52
    +1
    Quote: Sedoy
    the main thing for them is to stamp cheap crap into the warehouse and all things ...

    All small arms aimed at the army are "stamped cheap crap." Otherwise, the army will not be armed. Expensive and fashionable only in the civilian market.
  13. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 14 January 2017 20: 01
    0
    Quote: Vz.58
    What is the article about? About the new dress for the old lady?

    In my opinion, an article about people working on improvement, and improving something is already good.
  14. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 14 January 2017 20: 09
    +3
    Quote: mr.redpartizan
    but its design is outdated today

    SVD is not alone in this regard, the designs of all rifles in the world are outdated.
  15. Killout
    Killout 14 January 2017 22: 34
    +2
    Advertising body kit for AK from Israel, body kit from Vlasenko, Lobaev rifles - modern business laws. It is a pity that it is, in fact, the first thing is advertising, and not objective information. Moreover, it was written with flaws (the term did not suit me, so I undertook to do it and did hz how much time, but I was in a hurry). And fed up already thoroughly.
  16. JS20
    JS20 14 January 2017 23: 00
    0
    Quote: Alexander Grek
    SVD: the legendary rifle and its future

    What is the legend of SVD?
    Quote: Alexander Grek
    and a lateral mount of optics, on which even the most ideal bracket “walks”.

    Great news for snipers.
  17. Maz
    Maz 15 January 2017 01: 16
    +2
    And that there is no link to the original article?
  18. Maz
    Maz 15 January 2017 01: 18
    +2
    Quote: Operator
    What sucks is this SVD, even if after complete modernization it fires with accuracy of 1,5 arc minutes.

    And it is not a fact that the Kalashnikov concern in its new self-loading rifle will be able to improve this indicator.

    "The place is damned" (C) am

    Bad dancer - even the floor bothers.
  19. shinobi
    shinobi 15 January 2017 04: 14
    0
    Sports sniping and military are of different categories. The requirements are different. Are disputes from the category of who is stronger, a whale or an elephant? If summarized, then all the target rifles are the same Mauser rifle in different versions. Army snipers, one or another version of an assault rifle for a rifle cartridge. Well, there are different body kits attached.
  20. demiurg
    demiurg 15 January 2017 08: 12
    +1
    A new panacea for weapons. There used to be picattini slats, then a laser designator, now a hung barrel was added.
    Nenuacho, everything is like full HD, 3D, 4WD, European-quality repair.
    But thank you for passing crazy hands in the shooting range.
  21. 501Legion
    501Legion 15 January 2017 17: 36
    +1
    just fine, I don’t recognize old man Dragunov, well done, a guy should be noticed and taken under his wing
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 16 January 2017 11: 08
      0
      Yeah, creatively approached the solution of problems. Just great!
  22. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 16 January 2017 11: 07
    0
    The calculation of external ballistics, range to the target, elevation angle of the target, the influence of weather conditions, wind, and even the derivation and the Coriolis effect - all this is instantly done by Demon himself.
    I never thought that in sniping the Coriolis effect is relevant! belay Shooting is conducted up to 2 km.
    1. geologist
      geologist 16 January 2017 12: 03
      +1
      There is still much work to be done, in addition to the effect of the rotation of the earth (Cariolis force), there are also variations of the magnetic field, the gravity and magnetic field cathars need to be introduced into the sight, and the influence of the tidal action of the Moon, and magnetic storms from the Sun, and sorcerers and shamans?
  23. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 16 January 2017 12: 39
    0
    The article pleased!
  24. mirag2
    mirag2 17 January 2017 11: 55
    0
    Awesome article !!! +++
  25. nikita.ratkewitch
    nikita.ratkewitch 18 January 2017 05: 06
    0
    You need to take care of such a rifle like a scrotum, but not shoot it ... Suddenly, the device, sight and other MIRACLES of SCIENCE will fall off ...... and the position with the toy will be discreetly changed: catch legs on grass bushes you can ....... easel SVD, apparently, will soon make .....
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