It's time to stop the assassination of the Russian Arctic

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It's time to stop the assassination of the Russian ArcticOn October 16, 1991, Prime Minister Yegor Gaidar arrived at the port of Tiksi and said historical phrase: "The North is artificially populated, and there is no sense in containing it." The great reformer brazenly lied. The Arctic coast and the Northern Sea Route were mastered by the Russian people unbeknownst, and sometimes contrary to the Moscow princes and St. Petersburg emperors.

Another question is that the Russians, who boated to Spitsbergen and Novaya Zemlya, did not leave pompous lines in the chronicles and chronicles. The thing is everyday. So we can judge about their campaigns only from the fragments of the chronicles, which are usually very stingy: “In 1363, the Novgorod ushkuyniki with voivods Alexander Abakumovich and Stepan Lyapa reached the Ob River. Here they were divided, part went down the Ob River and returned to the Arctic Ocean, and the rest went up the river to the junction of the borders of Chagatai Ulus and China. ”



EVERYONE IS KNOWN "UNKNOWN LAND"

In 1594, the Dutch Carnelius Nye and William Barents opened Terra Incognita for Europe. However, at Cape Cain Nose, the Dutch got lost in the ice and mists. But on July 9 they were lucky: Nye met four Russian boats, heading for the mouth of the Pechora. The sailors discouraged him from going to the Yugorsky Ball, because he was “filled with ice, underwater rocks, as well as walruses and huge whales threatening the ships with danger.” The Dutch, however, did not obey, and 16 July went further east with warm, even hot weather, and again met the boat with the Russian fishermen. The Dutch learned that 81 km to the mouth of the Pechora and there is an excellent harbor. Well, the Russian Frost Sea became known as the Barents Sea.

From the Kola Peninsula to Cape Dezhnev, 15 of navigable rivers flow from south to north, along which Cossacks and Russian industrialists walked along the XVI – XIX centuries, exploring the North. They not only descended and climbed the rivers, but also crossed the Arctic Ocean from one river to another: from the Northern Dvina to the Pechora, from the Pechora to the Ob, etc.

In 1632, the Yenisei centurion Pyotr Beketov laid a jail on the Lena River, which started the city of Yakutsk, and after 10 years, Cossack detachments descended to the mouth of the Lena. From here, Cossack Ivan Rebrov walked by sea to the west to the Olenek River, and Ilya Perfiryev - to the east to the Yana River. Soon the kochi explorers began to reach the Anabar River and to the east - to Indigirka. In 1644, the Lower Kolyma burg was laid at the mouth of the Kolyma. And in 1648, the Cossack Semyon Dezhnev climbed the Kolyma River, went out into the ocean, and 20 of September of the same year circled the Big Stone Nose, later called Cape Dezhnev.

The first ship appeared on the Pechora River in 1864, on the Ob - in 1844, on the Yenisei - in 1863, on the Lena - in 1861. In 1913, there were 20 steamers and 20 barges on Pechora, 212 steamers and hundreds of barges on Ob and Irtysh, 26 steamers and 30 barges on Yenisei, 192 steamers and 245 barges on Lena. Most of the ships were built or assembled on the banks of rivers. But several dozen ships in 1860 – 1914 were bought in Europe and transferred to the rivers of Siberia on their own.

In 1878, for the first time in history, the wooden schooner "Vega" by the Swedish navigator Nordensköld passed the Northern Sea Route (NSR) in one (!) Navigation. So, the Swedes are the pioneers of the NSR. And the Norwegian Fridtjof Nansen in 1893 took and named the sea by the name of Nordenskjöld.

They did not argue in Russia; two revolutions, the Japanese, German and Civil wars, took place there. Accordingly, the name of the Siberian multimillionaire Alexander Mikhailovich Sibiryakov, the owner of the factories, gold mines, Yenisei, Lensky and Amur shipping companies, was forgotten. Meanwhile, it was he who decided to organize the “Northern Delivery”, that is, to charter sea vessels and deliver goods from Europe to the mouths of the Yenisei and Lena, from where river steamers of Sibiryakovo companies would transport them to the center of Siberia.

In 1876, Sibiryakov chartered the 400-ton steamer Imer, which was supposed to deliver the cargo to the mouth of the Yenisei River, where the steamer of the Sibiryakov society was waiting for him. Sibiryakov offered the Swede Erik Nordenskiöld to command "Imer". In 1878, an iron screw ship “Lena” of a “river – sea” class was built specially for Sibiryakov in Sweden. Sibiriakov was hired to command the Swede Johansen, and Nordenskiöld was asked to travel. So it was or a little different, but it was the iron “Lena” that passed Chelyuskin Cape first, and after it was a wooden schooner “Vega” together with Nordensheld.

28 August 1878 of the year “Lena” and “Vega” came to Tiksi at the mouth of the Lena River. Then "Lena" went up the river, and "Vega" - to the east. September 27 "Vegu" wiped in the Kolyuchinskaya Bay in 222 km from the Bering Strait. Vega was wintering for 11 months and left only 18 July 1879 of the year. Where the phrase appeared in reference books: “Nordenskiöld passed the NSR during one navigation”, one can only guess. “Lena,” under the command of Johannsen, walked along the Lena for three more years, and later repeatedly went to sea, went to the mouth of the Yana, etc.

Moscow fixed the voluntarism of Mr. Nansen only in 1935: the Nordenskjold Sea became the Laptev Sea — Russian officers who had been in those parts a century and a half before “all sorts of different Swedes.”

IMPROVING THE ROLE OF SEVMORPUTY

The movement of Russian commercial ships on the Arctic Ocean at the beginning of the twentieth century was a routine matter, and only the local press wrote about them. Here are some examples.

21 August 1905 of the year “Siberian Bulletin” No. 172 reported: “In the polar way 12 (25) in July from Hamburg went to the river Yenisei two ships bought by the Ministry of Railways: Krasnoyarsk and Yeniseisk. Steamships are bought to increase the means of transportation on our Siberian rivers. ”

25 September 1905 of the Year “Siberian sheet” No. 75: “Left the Yugorsky Ball to Yeniseisk 1 of August under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Sergeev and Lieutenant Melyamov steamers: Yeniseisk, Turukhansk, Angara, Lena and Krasnoyarsk” indicator 450 – 850 forces, knots 11 – 14 speed, draft 5 – 6 feet; coal burning, in addition, 10 barges, also iron, with a load of coal, draft six to nine 3 ft., with a capacity of 500 – 800 tons, to the mouth of the river. Yenisei sea tug, 3 sea cargo and railway cargo to 12 thousand tons. "

However, before the start of the 1930-ies there was no need for transit flights along the Northern Sea Route, although dozens of ships sailed the NSR annually. And only 17 of December 1932 of the year by the decision of the USSR Council of People's Commissars established a single transport and economic body - the Main Directorate of the Northern Sea Route (Glavsevmorput), which was responsible for the technical equipment of the route, the organization of regular transportation and safety of navigation along this route.

In connection with the development of the Northern Sea Route, it became necessary to include Siberian rivers in the navigation system. Until October 1917, from the Siberian rivers, only Ob, Yenisei and Lena were used for shipping, and even then not all along their length. By 1941, significant portions of Pyasina, Khatanga, Hetty, Anabara, Vilyuy, Aldan, Indigirka, Kolyma and other rivers were included in the river navigation system. In the Far North, during the years of Soviet power, new industries were created for these areas: coal, oil, etc. The fish, forestry and paper industries, as well as the fur and hunting farms, gained tremendous growth. In navigation 1933, the first test cargo flight to the mouth of the Lena was made and a pass-through flight to the Pacific Ocean from west to east was repeated. 8 August 1933 from Arkhangelsk from the Arkhangelsk took three logging trucks on the first Lena voyage.

Since 1935, the Northern Sea Route has become a permanent transportation hub of the country. The solution of the transport problem contributed to the economic growth of the previously backward regions of the North. The emergence of new large industrial centers in Siberia necessitated a further increase in traffic. Already in 1936, the turnover of the Northern Sea Route reached 271 thousand tons.

For the development of the Northern Sea Route, an ice-breaking and transport fleet adapted for navigation in the ice was created. During the years of Soviet power, the ports of Dikson, Ust-Port, Igarka, Dudinka, Tiksi, Ambarchik and others were built and equipped. Airborne ice reconnaissance in the Arctic, launched in 1924 by one aircraft, was carried out by 1940 in 24 in the year. Airfields and landing sites were built. In the 1932 year, there was not a single lighthouse throughout the entire Northern Sea Route, and by the beginning of 1939 navigation, there were already 11 beacons and 315 lights.

In addition to economic importance, the Northern Sea Route also had important military significance - it was the shortest way to transfer warships from the North fleet to the Pacific Ocean. Already in 1936, the Stalin and Voikov destroyers crossed over from Murmansk to Vladivostok in one navigation, and in 1940 the X-series Sh-429 submarine took the same route.

During the Great Patriotic War, hundreds of merchant and military ships passed the Northern Sea Route. In 1941 – 1945 years, 17,5 million tons of cargo was delivered by ship from England and the USA to the USSR. Of these, 47,1% were delivered across the Pacific Ocean, 22,7% - across the Atlantic Ocean and the Barents Sea to Arkhangelsk and Murmansk, and 2,5% (350 KT) - through the Northern Sea Route.

It is important to note that the Soviet propaganda, mentioning the NSR, focused the population’s attention exclusively on through transit flights of ships. No doubt, after 1945, several dozen vessels made end-to-end flights for navigating through the NSR. However, over 90% of them accounted for hauling ships (ships) from the west to the rivers of Siberia and to the Far East. Vessels of all classes walked along the NSR: cruisers of the 68bis and 58 projects, destroyers, large anti-submarine ships, submarines, including missile ships, large hunters, border ships of all classes. On the Ob, Yenisei, Lena, Kolyma, Indigirka and Amur river dry cargo ships, tankers, tugs, passenger ships, suction dredgers, etc. were distilled.

The main share of the transportation of goods through the NSR fell on the export of timber and natural resources from Siberia and the delivery of fuel, food, huge turbines for hydropower plants, etc. to Siberia.

In Soviet times, mineral deposits were top secret. Nobody should have known where gold is mined, how it is mined and who mines it. In secret and modern secret resolutions of the Central Committee of the CPSU and official documents it was spoken about the mining of lead in the south of the Chelyuskin Peninsula and at Pevek, but in fact uranium was encrypted under lead. Therefore, little was written about river shipments, and they didn’t write at all about some rivers like Kolyma. And the man in the street had the impression that the NSR serves exclusively for transportation on the Murmansk-Vladivostok highway.

NEW REALITY

Perestroika broke out. As a result, in the 1990 – 1998, the turnover of cargo along the NSR dropped by 1980 compared to 3,5. Moreover, in the Western sector of the Arctic (the Murmansk – Norilsk highway), transportation decreased by 2,8 times, and in the Eastern sector - by 16 (!) Times. In the 1996 – 2000 years, the number of vessels capable of going to the Arctic has more than tripled and by the beginning of the 2001 year was only 60 units.

Due to the shortage of Arctic tankers in the Russian Federation since 1992, mainly tankers from Latvia, Finland, Germany, etc. took part in navigation on the NSR. A typical example: the Soviet tanker Ventspils, built at the expense of the Union budget, under the Latvian flag and with a captain and a team of ethnic Russians, carried oil products in the Arctic, and the money went to Riga.

A typical scheme for the removal of ships from the sea and river shipping companies of the North: the captain receives an order from the leadership to go to Vladivostok or to the ports of the Black Sea. There, nobody knows anything about their arrival, and after two or three days the “brothers” appear and offer to sell the ship “for cash”. And ten times lower than the market price.

In the middle of the 1990s, our venerable scientists and economists began to promote fantastic projects. Due to the warming in the Arctic, the NSR must become a serious competitor to the Suez Canal! Most ships will go through the Arctic, as this is a shorter route. And there are no pirates in the Arctic. In short, Vasyuki will be renamed to New Moscow.

Alas, the miracle did not happen. Arctic ice does not want to melt. Insurers fight for transit through the NSR is several times more than the way through the Indian Ocean. In August 2015, the second branch of the Suez Canal was opened. This made it possible to increase the daily throughput from 47 to 97 vessels.

In 2014, transit freight traffic through the SMP fell by 77%: to 274 thousand tons against 1,18 million tons in 2013 year. 23 transit flights were carried out, including 6 by foreign flag vessels.

Moscow allowed foreign vessels to sail on the NSR in 1991. Even by approximate calculation, the number of foreign commercial vessels that have passed since that time is approximately equal to the number of research, that is, intelligence vessels of Norway, Sweden, the United States, Italy and other countries. Why do I equate two seemingly different classes of ships? Yes, because foreign scientific research in the Arctic is 90% applied military nature. For political correctness, let's call this “dual purpose research.”

But the talk of New Vasyuki received a great political response.

TERRITORIAL DISPUTES

It should be said a little about the territorial sections of the Arctic.

In 1921, Canada declared that all lands and islands north of its continental possessions fall under its sovereignty. The CEC and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR made a similar decision in 1926. Thus arose the sectoral division of the Arctic. It divided only five countries — the USSR, Norway, Denmark, the USA, and Canada — into sectors whose peaks were the North Pole, bases — the northern borders of these states facing the pole, and geographical longitudes served as laterals.

Until 1991, the sectoral division of the Arctic was seriously not contested. But in 1997, Yeltsin Russia signs the convention on the law of the sea 1982 of the year. It provides coastal states with control over the continental sea shelf (the seabed and subsoil of submarine areas outside the territorial waters of the state). At the same time, according to Article 76 of the Convention, no country has the right to establish control over the Arctic, but states having access to the Arctic Ocean can declare their territory to extend to 200 miles from the coast as their exclusive economic zone. This zone can be extended to 150 nautical miles if the country proves that the Arctic shelf is a continuation of its land territory. In its economic zone, the coastal state has a preferential right to mining.

The 1982 convention of the year is at least suited to the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian oceans. There, before the convention, ships freely went outside the territorial waters, and outside the economic zones, fishermen caught fish and installed drilling platforms for mineral exploration and mining. Transportation of goods over the warm ocean is the cheapest.

According to the 1982 Convention of the Year, all the islands in the Arctic sector of Russia belong to Russia, and the central part of the Arctic Ocean, which is constantly covered with ice in winter and partly in summer, is a neutral territory. To get there, with the exception of the edges of the Russian sector, it is possible only by using the Northern Sea Route and entering the territorial waters of Russia. Through the pole in the Russian sector on airplanes or submarines you can deliver polar stations, research or spy equipment. But any economic use of disputed waters in the polar regions of the Russian Arctic is technically impossible.

I will note that the talkers of the projectors from the science of rapid melting of ice in the Arctic over the past 2 – 3 of the year have subsided noticeably. Such a warming in the Arctic, so that transport vessels can walk across the pole, is unscientific fantasy.

It is curious whether those who signed the 1982 Convention of the Year knew that the sectorial borders of the USSR in the Arctic were stable, and now they are floating. Scientists will open a new ridge, and the Russian Federation or Canada announce a huge chunk of the Arctic as their economic zone. In the Russian sector of the Arctic, our scientists have discovered dozens of islands that became the territory of the Russian Federation since 1997, and “closed” several islands that turned out to be centuries-old ice fields.

You say: think, who needs deserted mountainous islands? But the accession of the island-rock gives power 1172 square. km (!) of territorial waters. And an island the size of 10 miles already brings 2250 square. km, etc. At the bottom of this water there may be hydrocarbons and other minerals. And Russia has the right not to let anyone into its territorial waters.

WASHINGTON AIMS ON THE ARCTIC

1 and 2 June 2012, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, visited Norway during her visit to Scandinavia. After staying in Oslo, the capital of Norway, she, accompanied by Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Store, traveled to the north of this country, to the city of Tromsø. After negotiations at the joint press conference, Store declared the town of Tromsø (with a population of 67 thousand) "the capital of the Arctic", and the United States - the leading state in the Arctic.

The official US government document 2007 of the year, entitled “Joint strategy of the maritime state in the 21st century”, says: “Climate change is gradually contributing to the release of the Arctic zone from beneath the ice, which is important not only for the extraction of new resources, but also for the construction of new marine ways ...

The task of preserving the global mobility of US military and civilian ships and aircraft throughout the Arctic region is important. ”

That is, this is a repetition of the old American doctrine: "Our ships go where they want and our planes fly wherever they want, regardless of the borders of foreign states."

In the 2012 – 2016 years, the US authorities have not yet tried to realize their ambitions in the Arctic. In my opinion, this is due, firstly, to the lack of significant warming in the Arctic, and secondly, to a sharp deterioration in the situation in Ukraine and Syria. Nevertheless, the United States, Norway and a number of other countries officially believe that the Northern Sea Route is an international maritime route. Communications of the Arctic de are "the common heritage of all mankind."

It is clear that neither the US, nor the EU, nor the countries of Asia will receive any economic dividends in the event of the internationalization of the Northern Sea Route. The US goal is to create a military threat to Russia from the North. This is a minimum program. The maximum program - the capture of Siberia, followed by the collapse of all of Russia.

The Pentagon plans to launch dozens of cruisers and destroyers carrying Tomahawk cruise missiles and the Aegis missile defense system onto the Northern Sea Route, which can shoot down Russian ICBMs launched from mine launchers and from atomic submarines on ascending trajectories. I note that most of our ICBMs are programmed to fly across the North Pole. In turn, the Tomahawk cruise missiles have a range of 2200 km and from the Northern Sea Route can hit almost the entire territory of Russia, including Moscow, Volgograd, Chelyabinsk, Novosibirsk, Yakutsk, Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, etc.

Rejection of Siberia from Russia is an old dream of the United States. After all, the Russian North, where 1% of the population of the Russian Federation lives, gives 20% of Russian exports! By taking control of the Northern Sea Route, the US fleet will be able to manage the Northern Delivery. Formally, you can find fault with anything, with the same ecology. Western merchant ships will move uncontrollably along the coast of Siberia, climb up rivers, smuggle trade, carry out “humanitarian aid”, and establish contacts with the separatists.

The internationalization of the Northern Sea Route for Russia will be a realization of the proverb: "The claw is stuck - the whole bird is gone." And now it turns out that Russia is financing the expeditions of Western intelligence vessels, Greenpeace members and others like them to our Arctic sector. I note that only state subsidies for the maintenance of nuclear-powered icebreakers in 2009 amounted to 1800 million rubles. And how much does the maintenance of diesel-powered icebreakers, research vessels, meteorological stations, etc., cost, without the functioning of which movement along the Northern Sea Route is impossible?

One more example. In 1977, the Inuit Circumpolar Council, that is, the tribes of Northern Canada and Greenland, was created in Canada. Unfortunately, after 1991, this council began to interfere in the internal affairs of the Russian Federation and recruit supporters in Chukotka and Yakutia. It is clear that small groups of separatists do not pose a particular danger to the Russian Federation. But if the American fleet appears on the NSR, the situation will change dramatically.

In my opinion, the Russian Federation should withdraw from the 1982 Convention of the Year in the sections relating to the Arctic, and return to the sectoral division of the Arctic Ocean. I note that Canada, which formally signed the 1982 Convention of the Year, has made a lot of reservations, taking into account that Canada has almost retained its Arctic sector. Well, the United States did not sign this Convention at all. Why should not Russia have a similar freedom of action?

It is also strange that in the 2014 – 2015 years, no one in the Kremlin realized in response to the imposition of sanctions against the Russian Federation to introduce retaliatory sanctions in the Arctic. All non-commercial vessels of countries that have joined the sanctions, including icebreakers, research vessels, private yachts, etc., should be forbidden to cross the Northern Sea Route. Sanctions gave us the perfect reason for imposing such a ban.
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  1. +6
    15 January 2017 06: 30
    Although I am extremely disapproving of the Gaidars and other liberal economists, in this he is right. In Soviet times, the North was artificially inflated and overpopulated, astronomical sums were spent on the maintenance of these northern cities and towns, and the fact that the USSR could not endure the race of economies with the United States is largely due to the huge, unjustified expenses for the alleged "development" of the North. For example, we can cite Canada, where in its three provinces north of the 60th latitude, Yukon, Nunavut and the Northwest Territories, with a total area of ​​3,8 million sq km (40% of the entire territory of Canada), a little more than 100 thousand people live (0,3, 100% of the population of all of Canada), and of this number, the majority of the indigenous people are Indians and Eskimos. Adequate white Anglo and French Canadians cannot be dragged to the Canadian North on a lasso. The northernmost city in Canada with a population of more than 53 thousand people is Edmonton, which lies at the XNUMXrd latitude, the latitude of Orel, Samara, Orenburg, Irkutsk, Blagoveshchensk. To the north of Edmonton there are already small shift camps and towns. And where is Toronto, the largest city in Canada? That's right, in the extreme south at the latitude of Sochi. What do we have? There are twice as many people living in Norilsk alone as in the entire Canadian North! Canadians know how to count money and know that the maintenance of cities and towns is very, very expensive for the state. Take, for example, villages and towns in the North, somewhere in Yakutia, Chukotka, Evenkia, etc. These villages receive electricity at diesel power stations, they are also heated with solar oil or fuel oil. All this fuel is often transported there by winter roads, since even barges do not always reach the rivers due to the low level of the rivers. To deliver one cube of fuel and return the caravan back, you need to burn, roughly speaking, two cubes of fuel. But residents of these villages do not pay the cost of electricity at cost, they are subsidized by the state, or rather, we ourselves, residents of the "mainland" out of our pockets through the so-called "cross-subsidization", when all these expenses are summed up and spread among all consumers. And in these northern settlements they subsidize food, pay for northern travel, northern and regional wage increases, etc. In sum, it all comes out in astronomical numbers.
    1. +78
      15 January 2017 06: 38
      I’ll tell you more, fewer people live in the Urals than in Moscow. Let us give everything beyond the MKAD. They also need to be fed. And the fact that the north and the Far East bring about 60% of all mineral resources is so nonsense. And about subsidizing products in more detail, I, as a trader, are very interested.
      1. +8
        15 January 2017 07: 28
        In fact, 19 million people live in the Siberian Federal District, and 6 million people in the Far Eastern Federal District. If we add the population of the Tyumen and Kurgan regions, the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, which only in the inflamed and ignorant brains of officials belong to the Urals, then almost 28 million people live in the Urals. In Moscow, even taking into account students, people who work in Moscow but are not registered, as well as any business travelers and other guests of the capital, more than 16 million people will not be typed.
        There is no need to exaggerate. The south of Siberia and the Far East should not be confused with a well-developed infrastructure and a relatively comfortable climate, which allows for profitable crop production and living for a large number of people, with the North. For your information, Novosibirsk is the third largest city in Russia in terms of population and continues to grow. And just beyond the Urals there are three millionaire cities: Novosibirsk, Omsk and Krasnoyarsk. If there were unbearable living conditions, these cities would be deserted as Dixon, Tiksi and other Arctic towns were deserted. From the North, I believe, it is necessary to relocate everyone to the "mainland". Give them all housing certificates and let them move wherever they want. And who does not want, then the flag in their hands, a drum around their neck, and live as you want, as all these reindeer herders used to live.
        As for subsidized products, I was in Pevek, and there are special so-called "socially significant names", such as flour, cereals, pasta, canned food, the sale of which is subsidized by the regional budget, due to which the prices for these products are not 10 times more expensive than in Moscow, but only three times.
        1. +59
          15 January 2017 08: 17
          Egor Gaidar - a fat lip-smack and a comprador - a traitor to the land of the Russian and Russian people, a speculator-economist. Honestly, he does not deserve a burial in Russia. The time will come - and the people will pick out his corpse from the Russian land, so that his spirit is not in the Russian land. Not a place for the bodies of the traitors of Russia in our land, but a place in that land, the owners of which they served by faith and deceit of Russia for their high position and big money.
          1. +37
            15 January 2017 08: 50
            Comrade Stalin
            The North in Soviet times was artificially inflated and overpopulated, astronomical sums were spent on the maintenance of these northern cities and towns, and the fact that the USSR could not endure the race of economies with the United States is largely due to the huge, unjustified spending on the alleged "development" of the North ...

            Egor! Why did you take the nickname "Comrade_Stalin" for yourself? You do not correspond to this nickname at all. The nickname Milton Friedman with its liberoid fake ideology of the so-called "Clean" and "free" wound of capital, goods and labor and monetarism!
            Who ever attacked Canada? And to Russia? In general, are you, Egor, familiar with political science at least somehow?
            1. +2
              15 January 2017 10: 53
              Tatyana, the laws of economics are as unshakable and indestructible as the laws of physics. If something is added somewhere, then necessarily somewhere it will decrease as well. Look at least crack, but even order the king or king to build a crystal bridge over the river overnight, no matter how many seconds he gives his subjects, they will not build a bridge in one night.
              1. +19
                15 January 2017 11: 08
                Comrade Stalin
                Tatyana, the laws of economics are as unshakable and indestructible as the laws of physics
                Egor! Milton Friedman does not have the laws of economics, like the laws of physics, but an ideological manipulative scientifically untenable bullshit exclusively for the enrichment of the "chosen few"! And you believe in it as an economic law for the well-being of all people.
                There is no “free” or “pure” market for Milton Friedman in nature! Everything is regulated with the help of deception and manipulation of financial tycoons by the "ZOO Committee", which is headed by Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain. You are a pure liberoid kinky with his lobbying in the Russian Federation for the recommendations of the IMF! It must be assumed that you do not even realize that you are sawing the branch on which you and your relatives are sitting. I don’t think that you, Yegor, are among the “chosen ones”.
                1. +4
                  15 January 2017 11: 38
                  As a production worker, I can clearly see that costs grow exponentially in cold climates. And you at least a thousand times repeat the mantra about the "inconsistency" of the laws of economics, but I know that the cost of production in a cold climate will always, in any case, higher than the cost of production in a warm climate. Have you calculated how much money is spent on heating, on thermal insulation of walls, windows, doors and communications? Even by providing our employees with warm clothing, we will lose in prime cost to manufacturers from warm regions. By the way, do you have a car? And you know that in the winter the operating costs of the machine increase significantly. At least due to the fact that fuel consumption increases for heating, for the stove, you need to buy an anti-freeze, and not just pour tap water into the tank, which you need to wash the car more often, you need to buy a set of winter tires with disks. And in regions with a harsh climate, you need to glue a second windshield, insulate the car with a tarp and blanket, and do not turn off the engine on the street. You can also give an example of our Magadan seaport, which is served by icebreakers, and the seaport of Singapore, where icebreakers are not needed. I hope you have enough imagination to imagine how much icebreaker escort is billed to ship owners. And all this, of course, ultimately affects the cost of production. You didn't know all this for sure? Do you deny geographic determinism? That is, you repeat the nonsense of the liberals who claim that if all Russians are resettled to Japanese islands, and all Japanese to Russia, then the Japanese will make candy out of Russia, and the Russians will dirtiest everything on the former Japanese islands?
                  1. +22
                    15 January 2017 11: 59
                    Yes, I agree, there are costs of a harsh climate. The fish company pays almost 19 p for kw, both for the robe and for the hired workers, but as one of the leaders of the largest fish factory says, the first slot pays off all the costs (I exaggerate again, if that). Just earlier, during the time of the union, fishing brought huge revenue to the state, and now it’s in someone’s pocket. and the state pays all costs.
                    1. +8
                      15 January 2017 21: 43
                      Iwxx
                      Just earlier, during the time of the union, fishing brought huge revenue to the state, and now it’s in someone’s pocket. and the state pays all costs.
                      Absolutely right! Such methods, for example, acted the future oligarch Berezovsky on Logovaz. Production at state expense, and the factory’s profit from production - to market pocket private firms of managers for their sales of finished products of the factory. Thus, the initial accumulation of capital was carried out by the directors of the factories and their speculative henchmen, and not only profitable industries, but also entire branches of the national economy were ruined.
                      Nobody has yet canceled the national industrial safety of a sovereign country! And in the USSR / RF, only liberoid marketers-compradors like Chubais, Gaidar, Kudrin canceled it ...

                      See “Chubais and Gorbachev-agents of British intelligence MI-6”
                  2. +2
                    15 January 2017 15: 42
                    But I do not agree with you, as a producer, the production costs (meat) are not just in heating but in cooling, well, sing a love song to me ... hi
                    1. 0
                      15 January 2017 17: 15
                      You do not confuse people with fish!
                  3. +3
                    16 January 2017 12: 41
                    Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                    As a production worker, I can clearly see that costs grow exponentially in cold climates. And you at least a thousand times repeat the mantra about the "inconsistency" of the laws of economics, but I know that the cost of production in a cold climate will always, in any case, higher than the cost of production in a warm climate. Have you calculated how much money is spent on heating, on thermal insulation of walls, windows, doors and communications? Even by providing our employees with warm clothing, we will lose in prime cost to manufacturers from warm regions. By the way, do you have a car? And you know that in the winter the operating costs of the machine increase significantly. At least due to the fact that fuel consumption increases for heating, for the stove, you need to buy an anti-freeze, and not just pour tap water into the tank, which you need to wash the car more often, you need to buy a set of winter tires with disks. And in regions with a harsh climate, you need to glue a second windshield, insulate the car with a tarp and blanket, and do not turn off the engine on the street. You can also give an example of our Magadan seaport, which is served by icebreakers, and the seaport of Singapore, where icebreakers are not needed. I hope you have enough imagination to imagine how much icebreaker escort is billed to ship owners. And all this, of course, ultimately affects the cost of production. You didn't know all this for sure? Do you deny geographic determinism? That is, you repeat the nonsense of the liberals who claim that if all Russians are resettled to Japanese islands, and all Japanese to Russia, then the Japanese will make candy out of Russia, and the Russians will dirtiest everything on the former Japanese islands?



                    Probably not a production man, but a capitalist!
              2. +1
                17 January 2017 23: 35
                Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                the laws of economics are as unshakable and indestructible as the laws of physics.

                This is something new...
                All the shameful countries ... laws are different ... economies are different ...
                And if the laws are universal, then this means that communism has already won precisely economically.
                For communist China has already proved everything to everyone. And about the right laws, and about the right economies ...

                So what?
                1. 0
                  18 January 2017 00: 33
                  China is as communist as Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan are Muslim countries.
          2. +4
            16 January 2017 12: 37
            Quote: Tatiana
            Egor Gaidar - a fat lip-smack and a comprador - a traitor to the land of the Russian and Russian people, a speculator-economist. Honestly, he does not deserve a burial in Russia. The time will come - and the people will pick out his corpse from the Russian land, so that his spirit is not in the Russian land ...


            Your words to god in ears ...
            All this scum that ruined the USSR and has a desire to destroy Russia simply in a liquid de..r..b..me to drown in one fell swoop
        2. +10
          15 January 2017 09: 02
          Dikson, by the way, was emptied primarily due to the closure of the fish factory, a significant reduction in the staff of the polar station, and the seaport. By the way, in the 91st year navigation was not really. Neither fuel nor provisions.
          1. +3
            15 January 2017 09: 18
            So, the fish factory products were not particularly needed, since the plant was unprofitable. And why is a seaport needed if they built a seaport for people who were brought in to serve the seaport? A kind of vicious circle turns out: the seaport is needed for the village, and the village is needed for the seaport. And all this must be subsidized. Let's at Cape Chelyuskin, we will ward off a hundred thousandth city under the populist slogans of holding and exploring the Arctic. And we will spend annually billions of rubles on the maintenance of this city.
            1. +12
              15 January 2017 14: 54
              Yeah, just remember how much money the majority of the population had (and artificially) and everything will become clear.
              I remember very well that until the 90th year we bought fish every week for ourselves (and the cat is even more likely to do this), and after that we completely stopped buying, because it became expensive.
              Yes, even now the cost of fish and meat is almost the same (and not some types of fish are also more expensive). And in Soviet times, it was half the price of meat. Why?
              Because they themselves fished on an industrial scale and almost all were allowed into the domestic market. And now the fishing fleet is not normal and a significant part of the catch goes abroad.
              As for the north, it needs to be developed in any case: there are many minerals. Yes, and if desired, and products, you can feed the population greenhouses.
              1. 0
                15 January 2017 17: 17
                But because the prime cost of fish is more expensive than meat, and you could only feed a cat with a scoop.
                1. +2
                  15 January 2017 18: 11
                  Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                  But because the prime cost of fish is more expensive than meat, and you could only feed a cat with a scoop.

                  Toto I have all my friends who do not abuse dry food for cats, feed their blue whiting. Although, yes, I do not consider blue whiting for fish ...
                2. +6
                  15 January 2017 21: 40
                  You are somewhat mistaken. Its cost is in the range of 100 rubles / kg.
                  Just then, in the USSR there was a fishing fleet on all seas, and now it is practically nonexistent. And they fished in the North Atlantic and the Pacific Ocean. And we had big ship factories.
                  And now it’s not in principle.
                  For comparison. in 89 g at its peak, we caught 11.2 million tons of fish. Those. approximately 55-60 kg of fish per year per person (for the entire Union). At the same time, it must be taken into account that ships were built at a solid price and in large batches (50-60 pieces each). It is clear that with such a formulation of the question, the price of fish will be small.
                  And now the entire fleet has decreased by a third and production has decreased by almost 10 times. The ships are all old. almost no new ones. And it is clear that the cost price in this version is completely different. Moreover, a significant part is not exported to the domestic market, but.
              2. +1
                15 January 2017 18: 01
                Quote: alstr
                Yes, and if desired, and products, you can feed the population greenhouses

                A difficult case ... Nothing is easier than the Khrushchev case, which wanted to grow corn in the greenhouses of Pomerania.
            2. +2
              17 January 2017 18: 51
              Oh, how everything is running with you, "comrade_Stalin". But you don’t find that the development of the North during the Soviet Union was also a vital necessity, it is now the Lieberpups, under various sonorous nicknames, shouting about universal love and good neighborliness, and at that time we knew for sure that the enemy was behind the fence, and if we were not on In the north, it means that "probable friends" will soon appear there. By the way, now this issue is even more acute, and VVP with Kozhugetich are doing the right thing to strengthen their presence.
              1. 0
                17 January 2017 20: 38
                That's just the USA with might and main mastering the Canadian Arctic archipelago.
                1. +2
                  17 January 2017 21: 56
                  And this is temporary - while there is enough oil. And when it ends, then they will climb there.
                  In Alaska, too, at first there was nothing. And they found gold - so immediately both cities and towns appeared.
        3. +21
          15 January 2017 11: 10
          Of course, I exaggerated about the population, as well as irony about the Moscow Ring Road, if suddenly ... I am a resident of Kamchatka, and doing trade I know only about subsidizing the bread maker, and then not at times, but only within 10-15% and only for remote villages and not for everyone. At 91, Kravchuk said that Ukraine has no north (this is about reserving apartments for residents of the Far North) and Ukrainians rushed from the north. I am against the settlement of the north and the territories equated to them by seasonal workers, who lives here knows this, maybe people come here not for the development of land, but for a long ruble. "And I am going, and I am going in rubles, let the fools go for the fogs." Seasonal people tear up everything that is possible and impossible, and the locals survive, because the visitors have benefits and other, the indigenous people, on the contrary, spread rot. Well, what can I do, I was born here and they don't really expect me on the "mainland". As for subsidies, it is beneficial for the budget to suck from the center, more can be cut. many enterprises are in the hands of Muscovites and it is profitable for them to increase tariffs, as a result of receiving subsidies. Our gas costs several times (as they say) more than on the mainland, even though it is local. belay For example: the Japanese built and donated power plants request in the Ust-Kamchatka region and what do you think the light passed cheaper? did not guess as it should have risen in price. It is not a matter of costs, but the position of the state, or officials. It is necessary to restore order in the regions, and not let everything go by its own accord.
          1. 0
            18 January 2017 00: 37
            It’s ridiculous. Actually, electricity tariffs are approved by the regional government, and this tariff is the same for the entire region. And donation of a power plant or non-donation does not affect the tariff in any way. Of course, a separate municipal district can reduce the tariff, but for God's sake. But who will give the poor municipal district budget money to compensate for the difference in tariffs for the regional electricity supplier?
            1. 0
              18 January 2017 02: 58
              You answered yourself, the government raises tariffs and, as a result, subsidies from the center. A district is not a beggar, if all the taxes remained in it, plus adequate officials. And then a diesel fuel for boiler houses is driven by cars from Petropavlovsk, and even at a price that is higher than on the spot. I am silent about sea delivery. There are many examples. The north cannot be abandoned, but a more competent policy must be pursued. The bureaucrats lifted up such rates for themselves, and the common people in poverty, the average wages of workers with all the allowances and odds of 25-30 tr. Many on the mainland get more. Yes, there is travel once every two years, again in government agencies, but for private traders not everywhere. The employment is seasonal. So we live chew bread. hi
              1. 0
                18 January 2017 03: 45
                It would be cheaper to give people certificates for housing on the mainland or in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky than to torment people and spend fabulous amounts on northern delivery.
        4. +11
          15 January 2017 13: 07
          To be now and live in Soviet times, when the North lived a full life, with a lot of mining and supplying enterprises, with developed logistics, self-sufficiency of personnel are two big differences, believe a knowledgeable person)). You will not be able to see the difference, they have ruined the North.
        5. +1
          15 January 2017 15: 39
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          In Moscow, even taking into account students, people working in Moscow, but not registered, as well as any business travelers and other guests of the capital, more than 16 million people will not be typed

          Here is your Russia, according to the American proposals of 1919 and they have not been removed. And you, Comrade Stalin, are fighting for them to be realized.
          https://topwar.ru/107073-proekt-raschleneniya-ros
          sii-i-zakulisnaya-vlast.html
        6. 0
          18 January 2017 04: 27
          Where does the information about 28 million Russians living in the Urals come from ?! So much lived before the Second World War, but a lot died, defending Moscow ..... In the Krasnoyarsk Territory there are not even three million .......
          1. 0
            18 January 2017 04: 34
            Wikipedia for help.
      2. Cat
        +19
        15 January 2017 09: 23
        Quote: lwxx
        I’ll tell you more, fewer people live in the Urals than in Moscow. Let us give everything beyond the MKAD. They also need to be fed. And the fact that the north and the Far East bring about 60% of all mineral resources is so nonsense. And about subsidizing products in more detail, I, as a trader, are very interested.

        I suggest another option, let's give them the "Moscow" inside the Moscow Ring Road !!! wassat
        And let's see how many are enough. crying
        If I'm wrong, correct me !!! Are there many minerals in Moscow? Or there is a powerful production! Metallurgy, light industry, machine tool building .......
        No! By the simplified word "buy-sell + bureaucrats"! wassat
        Asking the rhetorical question "Will Russia live without Moscow?" I don't see the point, the answer is obvious! belay
        1. avt
          +14
          15 January 2017 10: 54
          Quote: Kotischa
          If I'm wrong, correct me !!! Are there many minerals in Moscow? Or there is a powerful production! Metallurgy, light industry, machine tool building .......

          Metallurgy is no longer there, light on the incense breathes and sinks to the level of workshop workers, machine-tool building, if not noticed, is nailed down in general throughout Russia, but there is something quite serious, to which the playful hands did not reach in the part of the industry something at the same level, , Saluta ", the old people built a lot of things, well, the research institutes and design bureaus are different, no matter how they finished off, well, in the manner of one profile, Almaz," they remained Not everything in the Tupolev plaza was remade, although the losses are huge and parasites ,, plankton "in Moscow is excessive, just right to bring whales in herds for catching, do not scatter themselves bully Moreover, most of it is simply because you are not accustomed to do anything with your own hands, you can’t put anything to the machine, they will break it, and immediately the frame.
          1. +3
            15 January 2017 17: 22
            Quote: avt
            and parasites "plankton" in Moscow is excessive, just right to bring whales in herds for catching, do not disperse themselves

            This is also there. But what to do with the growth of labor productivity? Which generates entire crowds of the unemployed, and jobs with decent pay somehow do not really appear. Do we write them down as parasites and shoot them all?
            1. +1
              15 January 2017 21: 34
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              But what to do with the growth of labor productivity? Which generates entire crowds of the unemployed, and jobs with decent pay somehow do not really appear. Do we write them down as parasites and shoot them all?

              No, what are you! They will fall under the parasitism law.
          2. +3
            15 January 2017 21: 32
            Quote: avt
            Metallurgy is no longer there, light on the incense breathes and sinks to the level of workshop workers, machine tool building, if not noticed, is nailed down in general all over Russia, but there is something quite serious, to which the playful little hands did not reach in the part of industry something at the same level, , Saluta ", the old people built a lot of things, well, the research institutes and design bureaus are different, no matter how they finished off, well, in the manner of one profile," Almaz ", they remained Not everything in the Tupolev" plaza was remade, although the losses are huge and parasites “plankton” in Moscow is redundant, just right to bring whales in herds for catching, do not disperse themselves. And most of them simply because they’re not accustomed to doing anything with their own hands, they’ll not put them on the machine, and they’ll break the frame right away.

            And then there was such a topic, I’m quoting the title of the article:
            "The European Court may declare illegal the accession of Siberia to Russia"
            from here:
            https://aftershock.news/?q=node/475083
        2. 0
          15 January 2017 19: 11
          no there is no rena acroma traders and bureaucrats
      3. +1
        16 January 2017 07: 18
        Quote: lwxx
        I’ll tell you more, fewer people live in the Urals than in Moscow. Let us give everything beyond the MKAD. They also need to be fed. And the fact that the north and the Far East bring about 60% of all mineral resources is so nonsense. And about subsidizing products in more detail, I, as a trader, are very interested.


        Indeed, any corrupt trash butet squander our territories
    2. +14
      15 January 2017 07: 23
      Only everyone From the USA to China is driving teeth with anger !!! There for the North. the circle of riches is greater than in the rest of the world. Your post is short-sighted. We are not the inhabitants of the "mainland", but THEY feed Us !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is strange not to know this!
      1. +5
        15 January 2017 07: 31
        Yes? That is, 100 thousand Canadians in the north of Canada, feed 36 million other parasites in southern Canada? And how do you personally feed the poor fellow in Tiksi, who live there only because they have nowhere else to go and nothing to leave for?
      2. +16
        15 January 2017 07: 44
        Moscow laid its hand everywhere. I remember how squeezed mines, etc., in favor of Moscow. And on the other hand, what Moscow would contain KV’s legitimate armed groups. My grandfather would be alive, he would spit on this Moscow. And I would say , not this Moscow he defended in 41.
        1. +1
          16 January 2017 20: 16
          Quote: taypan
          Moscow laid its hand everywhere. I remember how squeezed mines, etc., in favor of Moscow.

          Speaking of Moscow, who exactly do you mean from its almost 10 million population? Who squeezed? And, if they were wrung out, then, probably, in favor of their own pocket, and not of Moscow. In your opinion, a bandit with a Moscow residence steals in favor of Moscow?
    3. +39
      15 January 2017 07: 40
      Durak, "Comrade_Stalin"! I also chose a login so proud. Change to another, such as "Chubaisik" or "Gaydarenok", this is more suitable.
      Only a complete ignoramus and enemy of Russia can write that Siberia, the North, and the Far East of Russia are not important, and they need to build "shift camps".
      Russian people mastered and built settlements and cities all over Siberia even before the great Lomonosov, who proclaimed "Russia will grow in Siberia!"
      The lands beyond the Urals will not be permanently settled by Russians; this land will not belong to Russia either. Yes, there will be no Russia, there will be non-staff Muscovy within large Moscow.
      1. +4
        15 January 2017 08: 09
        What have you all done "beyond the Urals" and "beyond the Urals" again? Or is everything beyond the Urals for you, a piece of ice cream ice? Generally speaking, the south of Siberia, Altai, Amur and Primorye regions have a developed transport network, infrastructure and an acceptable climate for comfortable living of people and profitable crop production. Do not put the Trans-Urals and the North on the same board. These are completely different things !!!
        1. +13
          15 January 2017 08: 18
          In your opinion, you need to equate the centuries-old northern districts and the cities of Tobolsk, Tomsk, Yakutsk, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, Norilsk and others, and abandon them to please the overweight Moscow elite, who believe that "there is no life beyond the Moscow Ring Road."
          The anti-people’s, liberal policies of the Yeltsinoids, who destroyed civil aviation, doomed millions of people in Siberia, the North, and the Far East to isolate themselves from the western part of Russia.
          What are your goals and objectives? Or just don't understand? Before you would say "who do you work for, sir?"
          1. +2
            15 January 2017 08: 45
            If for you the climatic conditions and transport accessibility of Tomsk and Norilsk are no different from each other, then there is no point in discussing with you. You are by chance, not a student of Khrushchev, who forced to grow corn near Arkhangelsk, absolutely not considering that the climate of Pomerania, to put it mildly, is very different from the climate of Iowa for the worse.
            1. +34
              15 January 2017 08: 59
              No, I’m a native Russian Siberian, I live on the land of my ancestors, and I don’t want to go anywhere. I know Siberia and love it, and I will not exchange it for any west of European Russia.
              I like Siberian frosts, not slushy European weather, I like taiga, Siberian rivers and lakes, nature untouched by dense population, spacious Siberian open spaces, Siberian cities and villages, unfortunately killed by Yeltsinoid politics.
              I repeat and repeat, Siberia, the North, the Far East should be inhabited by a permanent population, both Russian and local aborigines: Yakuts, Buryats, Chukchi and other large and small peoples of Russia, who do not want to leave these lands, and who want to live where they live for centuries.
              If this does not happen, there will be no Russia!
              1. +3
                15 January 2017 09: 13
                Very well! Just keep in mind that humans descended from primates, and primates all live in the tropics, with the exception of snow macaques, but they are saved thanks to thermal springs. And a person, like any primacy, is able to live in a warm climate, and the vast majority of people like a warm climate, not a polar one. Try to leave a naked person at least for a couple of days at a temperature of +10, after two days you will find only a corpse, not a living person.
                As for the extinction of villages and villages, this is a natural and inevitable process of the development of mankind. All developed countries mainly have an urban population, the same countries in which there is a large share of the rural population, they are all underdeveloped and are mainly represented in Africa. Village is a relic of the past, when labor productivity was very low, and one peasant could feed no more than 1 city dweller, and then in the harvest year. Now, with the motorization of agriculture, the use of fertilizers and selection, the farmer’s labor productivity has become such that he alone can feed a hundred citizens. So there is no point in a large number of rural populations and villages. Moreover, it is in the cities that people can realize their potential, get a quality education, the ability to create, invent and discover, as well as sell their goods to a large number of people. Therefore, the disappearance of small villages and villages should only be welcomed. In Britain, Japan, Germany and other developed countries, the process of extinction of villages has long been completed.
                1. +11
                  15 January 2017 10: 31
                  Finally, you named a word that is more suitable for you in the form of login. This is a primate. Well, that’s suitable.
                  1. avt
                    +5
                    15 January 2017 10: 58
                    Quote: gorez
                    Finally, you named a word that is more suitable for you in the form of login. This is a primate. Well, that’s suitable.

                    But not for long
                    Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                    As for the extinction of villages and villages, this is a natural and inevitable process of development of mankind.

                    It’s time for him to die, according to his theory, well, after all
                    Why bother if life condemns?
                    1. +4
                      15 January 2017 16: 45
                      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                      As for the extinction of villages and villages, this is a natural and inevitable process of the development of mankind. All developed countries mainly have an urban population, the same countries in which there is a large share of the rural population, they are all underdeveloped and are mainly represented in Africa. Village is a relic of the past, when labor productivity was very low, and one peasant could feed no more than 1 city dweller, and then in the harvest year. Now, with the motorization of agriculture, the use of fertilizers and selection, the farmer’s labor productivity has become such that he alone can feed a hundred citizens. So there is no point in a large number of rural populations and villages

                      Quote: avt
                      It’s time for him to die, according to his theory, well, after all

                      avt but what actually is he wrong? Labor productivity is growing, and not only in agriculture, but also in industry and the service sector. The process of the flow of rural population into cities has been going on for a long time.
                      The only thing is, here’s how a comrade wrote here, it’s a bit overkill.
                      "Therefore, the disappearance of small villages and villages should only be welcomed."
                  2. +1
                    15 January 2017 11: 04
                    Do you have any more arguments? Let’s then all tear together to the villages, we will all settle on the shores of the Arctic Ocean, we will leave all the cities uninhabited, and we will all plow and sow, and since we don’t have any cities, then we won’t have plants and factories, mines and GOKs, refineries and wells. Consequently, we will have neither cars nor tractors, we will have nothing to refuel with equipment, and even there will be no elementary clothes and forks with knives. And with every drought or frost we will die of starvation by millions, as it was before industrialization.
                2. +18
                  15 January 2017 11: 22
                  Everything is elementary simple: let's pay taxes at the location of the company's fixed assets, and not at the place of their registration. Let's see how long the "intramkadie" will last and where people will be drawn to live. And cities in the North, Siberia and the Far East will heal again. And there will be no such nonsense of any heat-loving individuals about "all primates - to the cities."
                3. +4
                  15 January 2017 14: 04
                  if you are from a monkey, then do not align yourself with others, people generally do not come from monkeys!
                4. +3
                  15 January 2017 19: 17
                  And the Chukchi and Evenki from calves came or what? They lived and live on a subsistence economy, what the heck they do not need anything. It is definitely necessary to populate the north, but just do it wisely. But Parshin’s theory, which you don’t refer to here, is, of course, using the correct theory, only you need to engage in agriculture in the north, and production must be allocated to those that require cold
                  1. 0
                    15 January 2017 19: 22
                    Well, live like the Chukchi, in yarangs and with bone knives. Only then do not cry that you were captured (not won, there is a lot of honor for this) foreigners with machine guns, computers and machines
                5. +5
                  15 January 2017 20: 58
                  Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                  Just keep in mind that humans descended from primates, and primates all live in the tropics, with the exception of snow macaques, but they are saved thanks to thermal springs. And a person, like any primate, is able to live in a warm climate, and the vast majority of people like a warm climate, not polar

                  What is called arrived.
                  It turns out from Scandinavia it is necessary to resettle all people to Africa and Latin America. And in the sea people have nothing to do, it’s not a primate element. Forget about space at all. Air transportation replaced by wood-climbing. Didn’t forget anything?
                  1. 0
                    16 January 2017 03: 31
                    They compared Scandinavia with the North.
                    1. 0
                      23 January 2017 14: 13
                      By the way, the Swedes have a special program for resettlement in the northern regions of the country.
                      Why are they doing this - is it not far-sighted?
                      1. 0
                        23 January 2017 14: 16
                        I, too, compared the Swedish North with temperatures of -5 ...- 10 with Siberian -40 ...- 50, with a minimum of -60 ...- 70. Do you generally know that in Vladivostok the winters are colder than in Murmansk, although Murmansk is located at the latitude of Norilsk, and Vladik is located at the latitude of Sochi?
                  2. +2
                    16 January 2017 03: 59
                    Quote: Flood
                    Didn’t forget anything?

                    Negroes have been forgotten. Where to put them?
                    Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                    Lord God created?

                    No, great Shiva. laughing
              2. +8
                15 January 2017 12: 23
                You can also add people in Siberia better, easier and more soulful than in Moscow. Their souls were not ruined by excessive craving for dough.
          2. +6
            15 January 2017 09: 14
            Quote: vladimirZ
            The anti-people’s, liberal policies of the Yeltsinoids, who destroyed civil aviation, doomed millions of people in Siberia, the North, and the Far East to isolate themselves from the western part of Russia.

            Quote: vladimirZ
            The anti-people’s, liberal policies of the Yeltsinoids, who destroyed civil aviation, doomed millions of people in Siberia, the North, and the Far East to isolate themselves from the western part of Russia.

            ----------

            oh Siberia ... for them it's the end of the world ....
            what to say about you, they .... "....." .... they ruined everything outside the Moscow Ring Road ... they do nothing for the people ... everything in their pockets starting from the head + the gang of the State Duma
            why do we ....
          3. cap
            +3
            15 January 2017 09: 28
            Quote: vladimirZ
            What are your goals and objectives? Or just don't understand? Before you would say "who do you work for, sir?"


            Or maybe just "D.B." (C) laughing
    4. +16
      15 January 2017 07: 43
      You are not Comrade Stalin - you are Mr. E. Gaidar.
    5. +10
      15 January 2017 08: 10
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      In sum, all this goes into astronomical figures.

      --
      that is, summarizing you, we can assume and assume that the Arctic is not needed, it’s too expensive a pleasure, or you wanted to highlight the high cost of this pleasure.
      So I'm sorry ... that the work of the farmer is completely dated?
      But I note there is a simple concept ... it is necessary and if everything is weighed, it turns out it is very necessary ... and you will not get anywhere or we them or they us ...
    6. +3
      15 January 2017 10: 26
      Why aren’t you comparing Alaska? With her then 700.000 population. They will find something comparable to the Norilsk deposits in northern Canada - and there they will build cities for 100.000.
      1. +1
        15 January 2017 11: 15
        Of these 700 thousand, half, namely 350 thousand, live in Anchorage, a city in the extreme south of the state and located on the shore of an ice-free bay, warmed by the warm Alaskan current, an analogue of the European Gulf Stream. And if you look at the climate of Anchorage, then it is not so harsh, comparable to the climate of Petrozavodsk:

        Even if you look at the climate of Fairbanks, which is sung in the works of London as an edge of foreign cold, then even by Russian standards it has a very, very temperate climate, comparable to that of Surgut and Khanty-Mansiysk:
        For comparison, you can see the climate of Yakutsk and compare for yourself where the climate is harsher - in Yakutsk or Fairbanks:

        This is despite the fact that in Yakutsk the population is 300 thousand, in Fairbanks it is 30 thousand.
        1. +1
          16 January 2017 07: 38
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          Of these 700 thousand, half, namely 350 thousand, live in Anchorage, a city in the extreme south of the state and located on the shore of an ice-free bay, warmed by the warm Alaskan current, an analogue of the European Gulf Stream. And if you look at the climate of Anchorage, then it is not so harsh, comparable to the climate of Petrozavodsk:

          Even if you look at the climate of Fairbanks, which is sung in the works of London as an edge of foreign cold, then even by Russian standards it has a very, very temperate climate, comparable to that of Surgut and Khanty-Mansiysk:
          For comparison, you can see the climate of Yakutsk and compare for yourself where the climate is harsher - in Yakutsk or Fairbanks:

          This is despite the fact that in Yakutsk the population is 300 thousand, in Fairbanks it is 30 thousand.


          You are well aware of the living conditions and climate of Alaska and other northern NATO countries as if you live or lived and served in at least the United States.
          In addition, you do not like Russia, to put it mildly!
          Given that you are disguising as a patriot, we can conclude: you are a cunning one from a corrupt tribe, working for 30 pieces of Judas
          1. +1
            16 January 2017 07: 44
            You have paranoia :). Is there really not enough Internet to find out the climate of different regions of the planet?
            1. +2
              16 January 2017 07: 54
              Quote: Comrade_Stalin
              Is there really not enough Internet to find out the climate of different regions of the planet?

              - internet quantum satis
              - which does not affect the justice of the expressed Donhapa:

              Quote: Donhapa
              you are a smart-ass from a corrupt tribe working for 30 pieces of Judas


              Somehow Yes
              1. 0
                16 January 2017 08: 18
                Oh, I have already been assigned to the Jewish tribe. Quite unexpectedly.
    7. avt
      +7
      15 January 2017 10: 46
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      Although I am extremely disapproving of the Gaidars and other liberal economists, in this he is right. In Soviet times, the North was artificially inflated and overpopulated, astronomical sums were spent on the maintenance of these northern cities and towns, and the fact that the USSR could not endure the race of economies with the United States is largely due to the huge, unjustified spending on the alleged "development" of the North.

      What can you say request ... Woe from the mind, or rather, from its absence, or complete ignorance of the subject, which is equivalent to absence. The brain is clean in terms of obtaining information.
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      In Moscow, even taking into account students, people who work in Moscow but are not registered, as well as any business travelers and other guests of the capital, more than 16 million people will not be typed.

      laughing
      Quote: Tatiana
      Egor! Why did you take the nickname "Comrade_Stalin" for yourself?

      good The real Stalin artificially restrained the inflation of Moscow, which was planned for the residence of 8 million people, after him they were also somehow kept by the institution of registration, but they were inflated to disgrace already in the "dashing 90s" Here the city is really suffocating in terms of infrastructure, including banal rubbish ...
      1. +1
        15 January 2017 11: 22
        Since the city is growing, it means that people are comfortable there and they are striving for this city. What's bad about it? Moscow, by the way, has a very advantageous geographical position in the center of the ETF, which is why, in fact, it has risen. In Shanghai, for example, the population is twice as large as the population of Moscow!
      2. +3
        15 January 2017 16: 51
        Quote: avt
        The real Stalin artificially restrained the inflation of Moscow, which was planned for the residence of 8 million people, after him they were also somehow kept by the institution of registration, but they were inflated to disgrace already in the "dashing 90s" Here the city is really suffocating in terms of infrastructure, including banal rubbish ...

        Just do not need excessive dogmatism. And something I didn’t notice that Moscow was completely littered with garbage. But in terms of infrastructure, yes, and road and more. But this is a problem rather than growth, but poor planning or often its absence.
    8. +5
      15 January 2017 12: 16
      "The North was artificially inflated in Soviet times" ???
      Are you a stupid person or what?
      Have you read the article carefully? Or between the lines?
      Russia explored the Arctic long before the advent of the USSR.
      Learn the story of the ignoramus!
    9. +8
      15 January 2017 12: 38
      And minerals, which are the basis of our economy, are also probably mined in warm regions? Diamonds are not in Yakutia? Oil and gas not in Yamal? Do you need to develop your territory?
      You confuse warm with soft. The problem of high cost arises mainly because of the underdeveloped infrastructure of the northern and remote territories. The same Chukotka, for example, is still a normal road is still not connected to the rest of the network. A part of the electric networks of the remote territories are only now connecting to the common network. The same northern latitudinal way will greatly simplify and reduce the cost of supply after the construction is completed. If someone forgot, then the Earth is round and in the north - the shortest way.
      Plus, the coast has always been the locomotive of the economy for all countries. In all parts of the world, the main trade routes went through rivers and seas. An established route along the Siberian rivers and the NSR can become a good locomotive.
      In general, so as not to list on a bunch of pages. EXPENSIVE BECAUSE IT IS HOPELESS AND BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS AT A LOW LEVEL. hi
      1. 0
        15 January 2017 18: 08
        Yeah. Container carriers will simply break through 3-meter ice and pass through the North Pole. What else do you say? How will container ships fly through the expanses of the Bolshoi Theater?
        1. 0
          16 January 2017 22: 22
          And what if we abandon icebreakers in favor of ekranoplanes - in my opinion, this would significantly solve the problems of the northern sea route, despite the fact that it would be possible to combine the volume of ship cargo transportation with the speed of air deliveries. Moreover, it is not so important for ekranoplanes that they have water or ice under their belly, because at the speeds that they develop in the event of an emergency situation, one will hardly be softer than the other. But in order to avoid such emergency situations, it is necessary to develop this direction. and not like rams to hammer but not into the gate, but through the many-meter ice. This is the whole problem - we do not see any prospects for technologies that we are the sole bearer of. The same pardon, diapers were originally developed for the space program, just bastards-imperialists guessed to launch them into the civilian sector - and for us it was a discovery in the 90s. The same situation with microwaves. The North is our storeroom and the sooner we figure out how to keep it and master it, the less we will "love our head" ourselves in the future. And so: icebreakers, northern railway lines are really costly things, the more criminal it was to refuse them when the projects reached the home stretch. But what has been done is done, now we need to think not how to revive these projects, but how to achieve the goals that they pursued with greater efficiency (even if economic, even in the form of efficiency, even in the form of expediency)
    10. +7
      15 January 2017 12: 56
      Change your nickname urgently. Comrade Stalin would have shot you as an enemy of the people or a dangerous idiot.
    11. +6
      15 January 2017 14: 34
      Better to subsidize the North than Chechnya!
    12. 0
      15 January 2017 15: 08
      You Stalin, what exactly do you propose, let’s give the truth to the logical end
    13. +2
      15 January 2017 15: 47
      “Yes, there are twice as many people living in Norilsk alone as in the entire Canadian North!” And what about Norilsk? There is the world's largest copper-nickel mine and metallurgical plant. Teach the materiel of Comrade Stalin.
    14. +1
      15 January 2017 16: 02
      Do not dishonor the name that you have taken for yourself ... Even if there is at least one person in the entire Far East and North, and then the state is obliged to help him, and your words "a resident of the mainland" are the words of a dependent, accustomed to mother's boobs!
      1. 0
        15 January 2017 19: 24
        Now I will rush to Cape Chelyuskin and will demand my salary per month, a monthly helicopter with food, etc. And I will justify my demands with your logic that "the state is OBLIGATORY to me !!!"
    15. +2
      15 January 2017 16: 38
      You would change your nickname and not stain your essence with the name of the Greatest Brilliant Man - I.V. Stalin.
      It personally warps me! I don’t have a way to get personal and go to forums, but for you, dear, I’ll make an exception, so you won’t open the PM ...
    16. 0
      15 January 2017 17: 11
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      In sum, all this goes into astronomical figures.

      This is all clear. Just do not reduce everything to money. This is the first. And do not look only from the point of view of a resident of the country today at the country then. This is the second. Somewhere there was probably overpopulation, but somewhere not. Because systems depend on people, but a person is not perfect.
    17. +3
      15 January 2017 17: 51
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      And in these northern villages subsidize food

      Sellers of these products are unaware of this, judging by the price of the products.

      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      northern and district salary increases, etc.

      In most specialties, salaries with all allowances are equal to salaries in large cities of the European part. There is a salary gain in the commodity sector, but it is commercially motivated and it is not the state that pays for it.
      The costs are higher than on the mainland, but it is difficult to call them astronomical.
      1. +1
        15 January 2017 17: 58
        In most specialties, salaries with all allowances are equal to salaries in large cities of the European part
        Well, you answered the question of why people tend to Moscow and other large cities, and not to holes in the North. Does it make a difference for you to earn 120 thousand in Moscow or on Dikson? Just don’t say that there is no difference and that life in Moscow is supposedly more expensive. In Dixon, potatoes cost 400 r, and an Internet megabyte - 1 ruble.
        1. +2
          15 January 2017 18: 26
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          Well, you answered the question of why people tend to Moscow and other large cities, and not to holes in the North.

          So, let's close Moscow then? what Once there, people without any allowances as in the north receive. How many of those Muscovites and how many northerners, where will the reduction be better for the economy? laughing
          In general, you somehow swept. Then you
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          And in these northern villages subsidize food
          ,
          and then suddenly

          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          In Dixon, potatoes cost 400 r, and an Internet megabyte - 1 ruble.

          How much do Dixon potatoes subsidize?

          However, you can not answer, it is clear that x ... yu froze. And now hang out like in an ice hole.
          1. 0
            15 January 2017 18: 33
            Without subsidies, a potato would have cost 1000 rubles.
            1. +1
              15 January 2017 19: 06
              Quote: Comrade_Stalin
              In Dixon, potatoes cost 400 p

              - gonevo. There is such a Norilsk "nearby" there, the logistics of supply there is a little easier than on Dikson (there is no piece of iron to the mainland, the nearest "port" is Dudinka, it is on the same Yenisei as Dikson)
              - potatoes in Norilsk cost 30 rubles / kg:



              Quote: Norilsk, food prices
              http://tsenomer.ru/russia/gorod/245/


              So, this ... bend, and do not bend anymore negative
              1. 0
                15 January 2017 19: 27
                do not quote wholesale prices here. In Moscow, wholesale of potatoes also costs 3 rubles. And is it sold in stores for three rubles?
                1. +2
                  15 January 2017 19: 30
                  Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                  do not quote wholesale prices here

                  - and where do we see wholesale prices? There the store is indicated, very specific, and the price per kilogram ... and not per meter laughing
                  - visit the site, "Cenomer" is called ... really enlightens:


                  - there, by the way, not only Norilsk is Yes
            2. +2
              15 January 2017 19: 23
              Quote: Comrade_Stalin
              Without subsidies, a potato would have cost 1000 rubles.

              cunt ... liar smile
              1. 0
                16 January 2017 07: 45
                Quote: bot.su
                Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                Without subsidies, a potato would have cost 1000 rubles.

                cunt ... liar smile


                I think a provocateur and a potential traitor, of whom there are many in the Kremlin now ...
        2. +3
          15 January 2017 19: 17
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          In Dixon, potatoes cost 400 p

          I will send you in a parcel at 200 rubles per kilo. Take it
          1. 0
            15 January 2017 19: 27
            No, thanks.
            1. +2
              15 January 2017 19: 33
              But in vain. Potato world. One activist planted under my strict guidance. In addition to Anasha, he did not plant anything before. smile
              1. 0
                15 January 2017 20: 03
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Potato world. One activist planted under my strict guidance. In addition to Anasha, I did not plant anything before

                - it is a sin to laugh at the wretched (s)
                - GYYYYY laughing laughing laughing
        3. 0
          15 January 2017 22: 38
          How to explain it.
          Firstly, people were driven into the cities by hook or by crook in several ways to boost production. Just because the people did not want to go to any cities and generally did not want to go anywhere from their village. (read about Stolypin refoms and understand).
          Secondly, for implementation, firstly, more comfortable living conditions were created in cities. This is evident even now - in some villages near St. Petersburg and Moscow there is no gas, although both Peter and Moscow have full gas.
          Thirdly, a lot of things were destroyed during perestroika, and as a result, those households that fed certain areas found that there was nobody to feed. More precisely, those who have left a little money left. And then it went on increasing. At the same time, something else was warming in the cities. So the people went to seek a better life.
          Simply, the resources are not unlimited, so that everything is good. So it turned out, what happened.
        4. +2
          16 January 2017 20: 31
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          For you, does it make a difference to earn 120 thousand in Moscow or on Dikson?

          Well, try to earn 120 thousand in Moscow, sitting on your ass. Again we will sing a song about Moscow - the city of millionaires and top managers?
    18. a
      0
      15 January 2017 19: 36
      But what about mining? But what about the threat of nuclear strikes across the North Pole? And what is "overpopulated"? Did you live in the north of the USSR during Soviet times? I worked in the North, I did not see overpopulation, everything was within the limits of need. As for subsidies, I can say that you do not know the northern prices. They were adequate and calculated to the last kopeck. If in the season, a kg of watermelon cost about 15-20 kopecks in the middle lane, then in the north it cost 30 rubles. Do you feel the difference? The rest of the prices are the same. Therefore, the salaries were high there, otherwise you will not live.
    19. +4
      15 January 2017 23: 44
      But in vain do you agree with the Yeltsinoids, oh in vain! It was about the natural wealth of our North that Aunt Thatcher and Albright grieved, and with them a crowd of admirers in its bowels. It is a pity that these bowels are not in the possession of the people, but in the grabbing arms of the thieves-oligarchs. And we, so, for the seeds, and even that, more spat on the husk from them.
    20. 0
      17 January 2017 09: 38
      YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!!! gas oil and so on
    21. 0
      17 January 2017 17: 02
      16 October 1991, the chairman of the government Yegor Gaidar arrived at the port of Tiksi and said the historical phrase: "The north is artificially inhabited, and there is no sense to contain it." The great reformer brazenly lied.
      I remember these words
      Another hero from the government said in 92: The North will ruin us (northern odds)
  2. +18
    15 January 2017 06: 33
    That is, this is a repetition of the old American doctrine: "Our ships go where they want and our planes fly wherever they want, regardless of the borders of foreign states."


    Just not within our borders ... it’s time to break the permissiveness of the United States in principle ... there are generally accepted rules for navigation and air flights and they must all comply equally regardless of weight in politics.
    1. Cat
      +1
      15 January 2017 09: 28
      They can fly, but one way !!!
  3. +16
    15 January 2017 07: 27
    Quote: Comrade_Stalin
    In the Soviet era, the north was artificially inflated and overpopulated, astronomical sums were spent on the maintenance of these northern cities and towns

    With such a nickname and such an attitude to the territories of Russia. Above, lwxx correctly told you what the North and the Far East give to our country. You did not correctly and without knowledge of the issue comment on the article.
    1. +3
      15 January 2017 07: 33
      You have read the book by Andrey Parshev "Why is Russia not America?" Read, then you will understand my position.
      1. +5
        15 January 2017 08: 32
        Quote: Comrade_Stalin
        Andrey Parshev "Why is Russia not America?"

        ----
        "scientist"?
        I quote ..
        in 1995, by the order of a government organization, a group of scientists prepared an applied research project, and I took an active part in it. In short, the essence of the matter was that we compared in many indicators the conditions of the border regions of Russia and neighboring territories. The scientific nature of such works consists in the ability to express phenomena through numbers.
        ... and it will be possible to assess the level of incentive to violate the borders of local shepherds.
        brilliant scientific work ... something there in the nose
        I advise everyone to read hi the "genius book" touched upon everything ... but the main thing is not ...
        read carefully
        does not inspire confidence .... the writer himself .... "researcher" ...
        -----
        now your position is clear
    2. +4
      15 January 2017 14: 34
      He is simply illiterate - he thinks that they produce stockings and are trying to compete with Sanpelegrino). In this context, he is right - the cost price will not allow to compete. That's just there a completely different industry.
      1. +1
        15 January 2017 17: 00
        Quote: hannibal lecter
        He’s just illiterate - he thinks

        yes he does not think anything .... he has nothing to think with (if you mean Andrey Parshev) ... a scribbler ... a typical "researcher" ... a high school graduate student. a failed scientist ... how many there were then about universities ... and even now in bulk ...
        1. 0
          15 January 2017 18: 10
          Well then write a book, which one, which would be based on scientific facts and would become a bestseller! Let's see how you beat Parshev :))).
          1. +1
            15 January 2017 18: 45
            Quote: Comrade_Stalin
            Well then write a book, which one, which would be based on scientific facts and would become a bestseller! Let's see how you beat Parshev :))).

            what for...
            I have no desire to be in the camp of mediocrity
            write about everything and at the same time nothing
            just indicated, so it's stupid
            ----
            do you have a desire
            forward...
            I beg you ... you should not give stupid advice and do not be like members of the State Duma ... I think this does not suit you ... judging by your some statements here ...
            I have the honor
            1. +1
              15 January 2017 19: 03
              Well, as expected ... No arguments ... Only pompous remarks wassat
              1. +1
                15 January 2017 20: 21
                Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                Well, as expected ... No arguments ... Only pompous remarks wassat

                why did you decide who should argue some conclusions against your statements on the development of the Arctic as a whole, and relying on a previously read book of what "great ..."
                ----
                I personally (I am not responsible for others) have my own opinion ... see early comments.
                you are a strange person ... you have a disease according to the theory of the obsession of ideas taken into service
                if you want to look smarter than you are, then I think for you this is not a bad idea .... go for it ... good luck
        2. +1
          16 January 2017 07: 51
          Quote: UralChel
          Quote: hannibal lecter
          He’s just illiterate - he thinks

          he don’t think anything .... he has nothing to think (if you mean Andrei Parshev) ... scribbler ..


          Bastard, in a word and last name at neg. talking ...
  4. +23
    15 January 2017 07: 44
    “It is also strange that in 2014-2015, no one in the Kremlin guessed, in response to the imposition of sanctions against the Russian Federation, to impose retaliatory sanctions in the Arctic. To all non-commercial vessels of countries that joined the sanctions, including icebreakers, research vessels, private yachts, etc. etc., the passage on the Northern Sea Route should be prohibited. The sanctions gave us an ideal reason to introduce such a ban. "
    Author, do not be naive!
    As long as the Kremlin is dominated by pro-Western liberals who have personal ties and accounts with Western banks with the West, there will be no ban on the passage of NATO ships through our Northern Sea Route.
    On the contrary, they will do everything possible so that NATO ships located in our North feel at home and can shoot down our return missiles in the upper stage!
    First you need to throw these creatures out of government, and only then ....
  5. +29
    15 January 2017 08: 02
    Dear Alexander, I am surprised that some forums are held in the country related to the name of this enemy of our country. I had an enterprise in Rybinsk subordinate to me. And once I only had to face this chatterbox in the regional center. He spoke there before the leadership of the region. When this type started talking that we need to stop developing agriculture and industry, the head of the region and I asked: "Are you out of your mind? What will the Russian people do, what will they live on?" The answer was simple in his style: "We will get all the money from the sale of oil and gas." In 2016, under the leadership of Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Ivanter V.V. and professor of St. Petersburg Polytechnic University Didenko N.I. we have published a monograph "Northern Regions of the Russian Federation: Conditions for Development and Development". Authors - 51 doctors and candidates of sciences. Publishing house "Science", the monograph will be published this year. We tried to convey to the Government of the country the idea of ​​the development of the North in the interests of our state.
    I had to create the Mars-75 navigation system for the NSR, which provided annual pilotage along this route for up to 400 ships from all countries. I love the North, I spent part of my life there. I have the honor.
    1. +13
      15 January 2017 08: 51
      The answer was simple in his style: "we will get all the funds from the sale of oil and gas"


      Lord, when will this punishment end for RUSSIA ???
      They say correctly ... in RUSSIA two troubles are a road and high-ranking fools .. hi
      1. +2
        15 January 2017 16: 39
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        They say correctly ... in RUSSIA two troubles are a road and high-ranking fools ..

        ---
        headed ... with whom? I won’t tell .... recourse sewing
  6. +15
    15 January 2017 09: 16
    The author was slightly mistaken in punctuation marks. In the phrase "... The Great Reformer blatantly lied ...", the first two words must be enclosed in quotation marks ... "The Great Reformer" .... Gaidar was neither great, nor at all a reformer.
  7. cap
    +5
    15 January 2017 09: 22
    All non-commercial vessels of countries that have joined the sanctions, including icebreakers, research vessels, private yachts, etc., must not be allowed to cross the Northern Sea Route. The sanctions gave us the perfect excuse to introduce such a ban.


    Good idea. When will we ban?
    1. +4
      15 January 2017 15: 24
      Quote: cap
      Good idea. When will we ban?

      When the magnetic poles change.
      1. +1
        15 January 2017 16: 42
        Quote: Amurets
        Quote: cap
        Good idea. When will we ban?

        When the magnetic poles change.

        ----
        yeah and glaciers in Antarctica will melt ..... good
  8. +2
    15 January 2017 09: 27
    It is necessary not only to stop attempts on the Arctic but also on the Antarctic (little is said about this, but it is also ours).
  9. +4
    15 January 2017 09: 40
    You will remember how the German pokatushki ended on the NSR received map information and then the raider came civilians and polar stations to shoot. The passage through the NSR is only under our control. People Lomonosov remember
  10. +6
    15 January 2017 09: 59
    An article is a manipulation.
    The Northern Sea Route - maritime transport communication, the main shipping line of Russia in the Arctic. The shortest sea route between the ports of the European part of Russia and the ports of the Far East.
    According to official data in 2015. cargo turnover amounted to more than 5.4 million tons.
    As icebreakers are put into operation, cargo turnover will increase, this is guaranteed not only by Russian carriers, but also by the largest Asian players.
    A small war on the southern Chinese islands will increase the profitability of the NSR by a multiple.
    1. Cat
      +9
      15 January 2017 12: 05
      Shirokorad, not the first time raises a question on Artik! And it is precisely in this matter that I support him completely and irrevocably! Artika of the USSR, equal to the Arctic of Russia.
      For Artik to be Russian, an icebreaking fleet, bases in the Arctic Ocean, a complete radar coverage of the north are needed.
      One cannot live on the other side of the Urals. These are "horror stories of fools". In terms of living standards, Salekhard, Norilsk, Novy Urengoy surpass many cities in central Russia. There is only one minus "cold". But it's not a problem! The problem is in the minds of the residents of central Russia, who, no worse than Europeans and Americans, believe that there is no life beyond the Urals, but only drunken men, balalaikas and bears.
      To be honest, it’s hard to explain to the person who saw the cow only from the TV viewer that this is a cow, not a chicken!
      1. 0
        15 January 2017 12: 18
        Yeah! A -50 and the polar night you also saw? And did you all like them?
        1. Cat
          +9
          15 January 2017 13: 01
          If I say that -50 ° is for winter in the northern Urals - fine! You will not believe. Well, the paint comes off the trams and what, do not go to work! But this happens, throughout the winter 3-4 times, the temperature drops to 45 ° and below. Extreme cold lasts 2-3 days, then warms up to -20 °. My house intercepts water at -38 ° - -40 °. This winter has already happened three times, and what to start crying and go south. Do not wait! In June, almost every year snow falls here.
          Moreover, if you have "Comrade Stalin" indicated the real place of residence. I think in Yakutsk, the weather is not warmer than in the Urals. Siberia is mastered by the walking!
          1. +1
            15 January 2017 19: 29
            In Kasnodar, -30 also happens sometimes, but you do not yell that the climate of Krasnodar is comparable to the climate of Moscow.
          2. 0
            17 January 2017 17: 30
            "for the most tomatoes"
            people only measure the meaning of life (where they can grow) only with tomatoes, and not with the starry sky, overhead Their sky, peaceful
        2. a
          0
          15 January 2017 19: 38
          Saw and know. Have you seen that?
        3. +2
          15 January 2017 23: 08
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          Yeah! A -50 and the polar night you also saw? And did you all like them?

          Yeah, they saw and liked it. Well, I do not like warm vodka and sweaty women, I DO NOT LOVE.
  11. +12
    15 January 2017 11: 26
    Ours is ours and it should be explained to everyone that it is more expensive to open your mouth to the Arctic possessions of Russia, you can dislocate your jaw! Yes, and you can remain without teeth! But I must agree with the author that it is time to close the opportunity for foreigners to "spin" in our possessions - today there are steamships, and tomorrow the Americans will get in with their aircraft carriers! As for the so-called "great reformer Gaidar", he is not a great, and even less a reformer, but an obedient executor of the overseas will to destroy Russia, a traitor and a traitor in one word! We see this even today by what his faithful students and associates from the liberal bloc in the government of the Russian Federation are doing with our economy and finances!
    1. +1
      15 January 2017 11: 44
      Americans are not such fools as to fly aircraft carriers to the Arctic Ocean. Have you ever seen AUG north of 60th latitude? The Yankees take into account the experience of "Chelyuskin" and understand that there is no maneuver in the ice, and indeed, there is no heating in the US Navy ships.
      1. +3
        15 January 2017 13: 32
        Americans are not stupid enough to fly aircraft carriers into the Arctic Ocean.


        But you are judging by your writings. . . . . full (standing up the word you like).
      2. Cat
        +3
        15 January 2017 16: 00
        And here, you are disingenuous! US Navy boxes are equipped with dual-purpose climate control systems. So that the crews in the sea will not freeze. And they can provide one missile cruiser for a hundred tomahawks from the Laptev Sea. Draw conclusions gentlemen.
      3. +2
        15 January 2017 19: 49
        With their shipbuilding capacities, special vessels for working in the Arctic aren’t a problem, and very quickly
      4. +1
        16 January 2017 08: 03
        Quote: Comrade_Stalin
        Americans are not such fools as to fly aircraft carriers to the Arctic Ocean. Have you ever seen AUG north of 60th latitude? The Yankees take into account the experience of "Chelyuskin" and understand that there is no maneuver in the ice, and indeed, there is no heating in the US Navy ships.

        I am becoming more and more convinced that you are an Anglophile and a potential traitor, representative of the 5th column.
        In the event of a military conflict, you will indicate to enemies the way to strategic objects and provide lists with the addresses of prominent figures, commanders, military commanders
      5. +1
        17 January 2017 12: 39
        Quote: Comrade_Stalin
        Have you ever seen the AUG north of the 60th latitude?

        And the yak. Even beyond the Arctic Circle they saw - when the CV-66 "America" ​​during Ocean Safari 85 worked as much as Narvik.
        In discussions, bmpd once had photos of takeoffs and landings on ABs in the Bering Sea and off the coast of Norway. Snow, ice - and clean soaring catapults.
  12. +3
    15 January 2017 12: 34
    Quote: Comrade_Stalin
    everyone needs to be relocated to the "mainland"

    "A holy place is never empty".
    "Partners" will not fail to take it immediately.
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    1. Cat
      0
      15 January 2017 14: 08
      Perhaps, I incorrectly expressed the "problem of cold" is the rise in the cost of infrastructure, transport networks, production, etc. But the frost itself is not terrible!
      Even if there is a need, you can grow tomatoes in the far north, but here you need to look at economic efficiency.
  14. +5
    15 January 2017 13: 40
    Quote: Brigadier
    "It is also strange that in 2014-2015 no one in the Kremlin guessed

    Quote: Brigadier
    Author, do not be naive!

    I think the same way. In the Kremlin, not fools are sitting, but full of representatives of the fifth column, and simply pests.
    1. 0
      15 January 2017 16: 45
      Quote: 16112014nk
      I think the same way. In the Kremlin, not fools are sitting, but full of representatives of the fifth column, and simply pests.

      -----
      here is another Stalinist .... everywhere enemies see pests ..
      Do you know who the enemy is? ... this is your shadow
  15. +5
    15 January 2017 15: 04
    In 1878, for the first time in history, the wooden schooner “Vega” by the Swedish navigator Nordensköld passed the Northern Sea Route (NSR) in one (!) Navigation. What nonsense - Nordenskjold passed the NSR not in one navigation, but in two (with one wintering). In one navigation, the NSR was first passed by the steamer Sibiryakov under the command of Captain Voronin in 1932.
  16. +3
    15 January 2017 15: 12
    Quote: Comrade_Stalin
    how all these reindeer herders lived before.

    T. Stalin, these people do not want to live as you wish them.
    1. 0
      15 January 2017 16: 54
      If you don’t want to live like their parents, then hold the flag in their hands! Let them take a mortgage for 40 years and pay half of their income! And if you do not want to take a mortgage, then let them go to their tundra!
  17. +6
    15 January 2017 15: 18
    Quote: Comrade_Stalin
    Or for you all that is beyond the Urals is a piece of ice cream?

    The Urals and everything that lies behind it is just the backbone of Russia!
    1. Cat
      +4
      15 January 2017 16: 22
      In 2011, I brought the FDPO study group to the border between Europe and Asia near Pervouralsk for a tour. The group included residents from all over Russia - 24 regions. The most western Kaliningrad region, the most eastern Sakhalin. The reaction of the Yakuts and Buryats, it is true that from the slopes of the mountains of the western Urals, rivers flow into the Caspian Sea. The reaction of a 30-year-old aunt from near Voronezh, but what does the border between Europe and Asia go through Moscow? Listeners natives of the Asian regions of Russia look at her aunt with surprise! A commodity from the Belgorod region begins to support her, and we were told at school that the border of Asia begins 101 km beyond Moscow. The guide already choked. There is silence interrupted by the captain from Kaliningrad. Girls, can you tell me where the Kaliningrad region is? Aunts in chorus, why are you holding us stupid, of course in Sochi. All lay down! From Krasnodar, the guy could not calm down for about fifteen minutes.
      The country is big, people are different !!!
    2. +2
      15 January 2017 17: 15
      Quote: Wanderer 2008
      The Urals and everything that lies behind it is just the backbone of Russia!

      And somewhere only idlers live in the Volga region, so what?
      1. Cat
        +1
        15 January 2017 18: 11
        Two facts! Out of a thousand!
        Without the Ural iron and iron, Russia would not have won the 1700-1721 in the Northern War. And in all wars later than 1721
        Without the Bashkir irregular troops, victory in the war against Napoleon in 1812-1814. cost much more! Bashkirs after 1800 participated in all the wars of Russia!
        And so you can go on endlessly from the Kuban to Komchatka, from Arkhangelsk to Kalmykia!
        1. +2
          15 January 2017 18: 45
          Quote: Kotischa
          Without the Ural iron and iron, Russia would not have won the 1700-1721 in the Northern War. And in all wars later than 1721

          So what? But did it all come from the Urals, linen, leather, clothes, shoes, weapons, bread?
          Quote: Kotischa
          Without the Bashkir irregular troops, victory in the war against Napoleon in 1812-1814. cost much more! Bashkirs after 1800 participated in all the wars of Russia!

          And without the Russians of Central Russia, there would have been no victory at all, as well as the settlement of the Urals and Trans-Urals, which made it possible to develop mining there and industry in general. And in general, why are you telling me all this? To show your shallow chauvinism?
          1. Cat
            +1
            15 January 2017 21: 03
            That is, in your opinion, Russians live only in central Russia!
            Two more examples!
            Kaluga and Tula plants in 1710 issued up to 3 pounds of pig iron, in cores. Poltava Victoria owes artillery. Conclusion without Tula and Kaluga victory was not possible.
            Since 1714, on the shipyards of Arkhangelsk, on average, one ship of 1-2 rank was built in two years, for 150 years. Conclusion! Draw your own conclusions.
            And the canvas, Peter imported from England or Holland. Only from the 30s of the 18th century, we were able to provide our army with a form from our canvas!
            Want more examples! First, remember who you are, look 300 years from where you come from, and then make a claim.
            1. +3
              15 January 2017 21: 16
              Quote: Kotischa
              And the canvas, Peter imported from England or Holland

              - quite possible... what

              Quote: Kotischa
              Only from the 30s of the 18th century, we were able to provide our army with a form from our canvas!

              - "the form from the canvas" is, of course ... erotic
              - but I venture to suggest that the form was still from cloth feel
        2. +3
          15 January 2017 19: 06
          Quote: Kotischa
          Without the Ural iron and iron, Russia would not have won the 1700-1721 in the Northern War. And in all wars later than 1721

          Nonsense do not write that. And then it hurts. And better remember that Demidushka who minted his money.
          1. Cat
            +1
            15 January 2017 21: 06
            "Demidushka" who minted "the coin" was a natural "Tula" or Tula is not central Russia!
            1. +3
              15 January 2017 21: 14
              It was precisely the Demidov who was minted that Peter sent from Tula to the Urals, but his descendant. And when Annushka wanted to send troops to the Urals, Malekho crap one's pants and flooded the mine. Until now, drivers are looking for moves and outputs.
              1. +2
                16 January 2017 21: 50
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Still drivers exits are looking

                - seek, seek ... as well as firefighters, police, etc
                - divers one ... Yes
      2. 0
        16 January 2017 16: 58
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Quote: Wanderer 2008
        The Urals and everything that lies behind it is just the backbone of Russia!

        And somewhere only idlers live in the Volga region, so what?

        ----
        for sure ... he personally saw them
    3. 0
      15 January 2017 17: 21
      In fact, it is Central Russia that is the backbone of Russia and the Russians. And denying it is just stupid.
      1. Cat
        +3
        15 January 2017 18: 01
        Quote: Comrade_Stalin
        In fact, it is Central Russia that is the backbone of Russia and the Russians. And denying it is just stupid.

        Yeah, within the Moscow Ring Road!
        Russia is not only the territory, bowels and spiritual heritage of Russian civilization. In a broad sense, these are people - over 182 nationalities with their own way of life, history, tradition, 85 subjects of the federation with their resources, economy, climate, etc., 146 million citizens with their problems and achievements, who consider RUSSIA their Motherland !!!
        My position is that there is no difference between a major from the capital and a reindeer breeder hunt! They should have equal rights, duties and opportunities. Even if there are settlements in the Urals where there is no road. What can we say about Siberia, where an asphalt road from Vladivostok to St. Petersburg appeared three years ago! About Tiksi, the village of Deputatsky and others. I just will not say anything, but if we want to live in Russia, and not in some city of the state of Uryupinsk, then we should think about all the inhabitants of our vast country!
        I have the honor! Cat
      2. +2
        17 January 2017 14: 06
        Change nickname, you are not worthy of this name. Judging by your verbiage.
  18. +3
    15 January 2017 19: 07
    I believe that it is time to stop the assassination attempts not only on the Russian Arctic, but also on the RUSSIAN ANTARCTIC!
    1. +3
      15 January 2017 19: 31
      It is also necessary to stop attempts on the Russian moon and Russian Mars! And Venus, so be it, let it remain with the amers. It's too hot there. Tea, we are not used to Florida and Arizona.
  19. +4
    15 January 2017 19: 24
    In a word Egorushka.
  20. +2
    16 January 2017 10: 42
    Yegor Gaidar is a foundling with Russophobia who has nothing to do with the writer Gaidar and the Gaidar Institute in Russia is blasphemy that should be stopped and the sooner the better. In the history of Russia there are quite a few names of worthy people whose name can be called an institution and Gaidar does not apply to such.
  21. +1
    16 January 2017 13: 42
    Is it Russian, is it the Arctic, or is it the property of oligarchs with "Russian" surnames, what Russian do we have left? recourse
  22. +1
    16 January 2017 21: 41
    Thank God there are more such materials! Actually! And then, slogans like all on Mars, master the red planet ... and the like ...
    It seems that the Far East and Siberia are absent from the plans for recolonization. It's time to return to Siberia, and do it with adequate tickets and affordable food prices.
  23. +3
    17 January 2017 13: 51
    Yegor Gaidar and uttered a historical phrase:

    That's what I really regret that he died.
    And I was hoping that he would live to see the trial.
  24. +1
    17 January 2017 21: 35
    I advise everyone to recall the famous phrase of Kuravlev-Miloslavsky from the outstanding Soviet comedy "Ivan Vasilyevich ...." - "you, what are you, the tsar's muzzle, you are scattering the land with the said lands ..." and the words of V. I. Lenin about the Far East- ". ....- but the land is ours. " But they cannot yet show their true feelings - the situation does not allow.
  25. 0
    20 January 2017 08: 58
    yes, it would be instructive to put such a shit to these countries!

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