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Power engineers threaten to limit the power supply of hundreds of objects of the Ministry of Defense

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For debts, power engineers intend to limit the supply of electricity to the 92 object of the Ministry of Defense in various regions of the Far Eastern Federal District, the press service of Far Eastern Energy Company (DEC) reported.


Power engineers threaten to limit the power supply of hundreds of objects of the Ministry of Defense


“DEK will limit the supply of electricity to 92 of the object of the Central Administration of Housing and Utilities Sector JSC (State Housing and Communal Services) for a debt in the amount of 178,2 million rubles. The company that supplies heat and water for the needs of the Ministry of Defense in most parts of the Far East, from November 2016 to January 2017, does not pay for the resource consumed, ”the statement reads.

It is noted that the first restrictions have already been introduced in the Amur region on 15 objects. “These are administrative buildings, warehouses, garages, workshops. Restrictions are imposed on minor objects that do not affect the degree of the country's defense, ”the release notes.

Next, according to the schedule, 23 January objects in Primorye will be disabled. And two days later, the 42 facility in the Khabarovsk Territory will remain without electricity.

Power engineers recalled that in 2016 r they repeatedly announced the start of shutdowns of objects of the Ministry of Defense for debts, but every time decisions were postponed in connection with the provision of guarantees of debt repayment.

“PJSC" DEK "on an ongoing basis is negotiating to resolve the problem of multimillion-dollar debts, sends notifications about the existence of the debt and the need for its repayment to the JSC Utilities Administration. Currently, there are no guarantees of payment to the power company from the debtor, ”the press service stressed.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 January 2017 10: 54
    +11
    So the cutout in the hands is not in Chubais, but faith in tomorrow is not enough.
    1. The black
      The black 13 January 2017 10: 56
      +32
      So the cutout in the hands of not Chubais, but faith in tomorrow is not enough

      . And where does the switch in whose hands? You have to pay!
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 13 January 2017 10: 59
        +27
        Quote: Black
        . And where does the switch in whose hands? You have to pay!

        Quite right! You have to pay, and not put in your pocket to "hungry" generals, or twist in the bank. Or does everyone think that now all our generals are honest? And what is interesting, non-payment for electricity occurs at the very edge of the country - they think that the authorities are far away, they won't get it? If this is followed by resignations in the Ministry of Defense of the Far Eastern Federal District, then I was right.
        1. Titsen
          Titsen 13 January 2017 11: 25
          +3
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          If this is followed by the resignation of the Ministry of Defense of the Far Eastern Federal District, then I was right.

          It’s high time to order the poor generals and admirals already!
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 13 January 2017 11: 28
            +17
            Quote: Titsen
            It’s high time to order the poor generals and admirals already!

            Peter is not on them:
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 13 January 2017 11: 34
              +7
              There are people here who believe that they didn’t steal under Peter?) Or under Stalin?

              It is necessary to separately introduce faith in the holy people who are subject to the sins of mankind and who can get up on the balcony in the morning - and decide that they will no longer steal from this day in the country

              In the meantime, many are far from reality - what can I talk about?

              PS I think such articles are nonsense because everything will be decided in the near future - and why should the people even know about this? Pound guano in a mortar?

              Or is this the first time? or maybe someone thinks that the latter?

              You can also write about the state of the water supply in parts of the Far East and condemn that so far people in the barracks cf * t point, and not sitting on the toilet,

              Or that somewhere the payment was delayed under some kind of contract (tens of thousands, contracts can be found). In general, it is once again another article to remind that everything is through the J. in the Moscow Region. This is a bottomless news barrel.



              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 13 January 2017 11: 39
                +2
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                There are people here who believe that they didn’t steal under Peter?)

                Well, why did they steal, but those who were caught "rested" on the rack!
                1. St Petrov
                  St Petrov 13 January 2017 11: 41
                  +2
                  Here, for example, Boris Petrovich Sheremetyev is an excellent commander who received the count title and the rank of Field Marshal for suppressing the uprising of archers in Astrakhan. But during the conquest of the Baltic states, this field marshal not only took everything valuable out of it, but even resettled the inhabitants to his lands, making him personal slaves ... And Peter the first didn’t do anything for him, although he knew very well how Sheremetev “ruled” in the Baltic . Peter understood that in Europe, a commander of such a level costs money that is not always available in the budget of the young empire, so it was more convenient for him to consider the looting of the Field Marshal as payment for his services to the Fatherland.


                  Well, or about Menshikov. A lot but stolen? Peter didn’t know what he was stealing? I knew. But allowed to a certain point. Everything is not so clear.
                  1. Normal ok
                    Normal ok 13 January 2017 12: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: s-t Petrov
                    But allowed up to a point

                    Only this moment came after the death of Peter. Peter was happy with everything along the way. The main thing is that Menshikov was "his own"! So now people are appointed.
            2. kapitan92
              kapitan92 13 January 2017 11: 39
              +10
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              Peter is not on them:

              AND WHAT !!! Stop stealing? laughing The first thief was Menshikov-hanged !?
              You steal a lot, they’ll poach him, they will put him in appearance, sopres they will plant or hang a handful of wheat.
              Or has something changed in the Russian state? hi
              1. Koshak
                Koshak 13 January 2017 12: 29
                +3
                Quote: kapitan92
                AND WHAT !!! Stop stealing? laughing The first thief was Menshikov-hanged !?
                You steal a lot, they’ll poach him, they will put him in appearance, sopres they will plant or hang a handful of wheat.
                Or has something changed in the Russian state? hi

                Both then and now it was and is allowed for "their own" to steal.
            3. Gunxnumx
              Gunxnumx 13 January 2017 12: 11
              +1
              it seems Menshikov answered him something like: "You will stay alone, father."
              It seems to me that corruption should be fought by keeping it within a certain framework, similar to what they say "The art of the state financier is managing the budget deficit"
              1. Alf
                Alf 13 January 2017 22: 17
                0
                Quote: Gun70
                It seems that Menshikov answered him something like: "You will stay alone, father."

                Emperor Alexander I once said to his son, In Russia, we do not steal only the two of us.
            4. weksha50
              weksha50 13 January 2017 17: 37
              0
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              Peter is not on them:


              The first thief in the Russian state under Peter I was his "dumb sidekick" Aleksashka Menshikov ... And how Peter didn’t beat him for stealing, there was no sense ... I had to confiscate everything and send him into exile in the countryside ... could have executed ...
              And what can we say about the remaining merchants and boyars?
              Who is there from the great and significant people to the question: "How is it there, in Russia?" answered: "But how? They steal, sir ..." ...
            5. The splinter
              The splinter 14 January 2017 03: 13
              +1
              A relevant example is China, where embezzlers are executed. In China, they build a corvette in a year, and in Russia for 9 years, because all the money goes to the Kiriyenko and Yakunins, with the Chubais ...
        2. 1vlad19
          1vlad19 13 January 2017 12: 02
          +5
          Enough for you about "twisting", funding is targeted and not a single ruble from the article on public services can go "to the left". Controls the treasury and without their printing it is impossible to transfer money. If they had served, they would have known. You still live in the 90s.
        3. weksha50
          weksha50 13 January 2017 17: 33
          0
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          And interestingly, non-payment for electricity occurs at the very edge of the country



          So earlier cases of disconnecting military airfields and air defense points (!!!) were also for some reason in the Far East, and not in the central regions ... I don’t remember in what years, but it was!
        4. pv1005
          pv1005 13 January 2017 18: 03
          0
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Ministry of Defense of the Far Eastern Federal District

          That's cool smile
      2. Banishing liberoids
        Banishing liberoids 13 January 2017 11: 00
        +5
        Black - maybe for a start you need to tackle the country's economy, rather than fooling around knocking out money from those who don't have it? This is essentially legitimized otpridel.
        1. The black
          The black 13 January 2017 11: 07
          +9
          Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
          Black - maybe for a start you need to tackle the country's economy, rather than fooling around knocking out money from those who don't have it? This is essentially legitimized otpridel.

          Who has no money? The state? ... Suppose. So, it must make settlements with the energy sector, reduce tax payments by this amount, etc. .... or, again, put everything on the shoulders of consumers?
          1. cap
            cap 13 January 2017 11: 36
            +2
            Quote: Black
            . Let’s say. So it has to make settlements with the power engineers, reduce tax payments by this amount, etc. .... or, again, put everything on the shoulders of consumers?


            It’s necessary to think. Question what?
        2. Titsen
          Titsen 13 January 2017 11: 28
          +4
          Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
          not dope knocking out money from those who do not have it?


          I don’t have them either!

          But I’m crying, although I’m crying!
      3. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 13 January 2017 11: 00
        +10
        If this was news from the 404th, I would laugh a lot. And so something is not funny ...
        1. Dekabrist
          Dekabrist 13 January 2017 11: 02
          +5
          Why not laugh?
          1. jjj
            jjj 13 January 2017 11: 15
            +7
            Payment for work and services from the "economic structures" of the Moscow region to third-party contractors is also bad in the north. People have been trying to get money for years. And they get it only through the courts. And why do you think we have introduced a single day for the acceptance of weapons and military equipment from manufacturers? If the president did not personally do this, then they could remain without new weapons. One gets the impression that the mass of responsible people here is just waiting for where to grab. And these people are completely violet in the interests of the Fatherland. And to plant everyone at once - we are afraid of the shadow of the 37th
            1. Titsen
              Titsen 13 January 2017 11: 29
              +1
              Quote: jjj
              And to plant everyone at once - we are afraid of the shadow of the 37th


              It is necessary to cut off your hands like in ancient China!
              1. kapitan92
                kapitan92 13 January 2017 11: 48
                +3
                Quote: Titsen
                Quote: jjj
                And to plant everyone at once - we are afraid of the shadow of the 37th


                It is necessary to cut off your hands like in ancient China!

                Then there will be no one to work! laughing
              2. St Petrov
                St Petrov 13 January 2017 11: 49
                0
                It is necessary to cut off your hands like in ancient China!


                Who will work then?

                How many ensigns will remain in the army? How many workers will be left with hands laying the asphalt? And how many foremen will not be crippled?

                Eh. You shouldn't do this in our country

                In our country, everyone decides when to pay his own salary, if his payment does not suit him, but there is access to the benefits

              3. Koshak
                Koshak 13 January 2017 12: 34
                +3
                Quote: Titsen
                It is necessary to cut off your hands like in ancient China!

                Then in the Duma, instead of buttons for voting, you will have to install pedals.
              4. Alf
                Alf 13 January 2017 22: 20
                0
                Quote: Titsen
                It is necessary to cut off your hands like in ancient China!

            2. Kenneth
              Kenneth 13 January 2017 11: 46
              +1
              This is true and not only in the Ministry of Defense. In civilian life, kickbacks from any investment ... you want to kill
          2. St Petrov
            St Petrov 13 January 2017 11: 46
            +3
            Why not laugh?


            I remembered about the Ukrainians - the smile passed

            such a great nation, here Ilya Muromets, Hercules, Hercules. Diggers of the seas. And now? ugh you

            that's not funny. but sad. And then someone else did not pay the bill for electricity. Eh

          3. 79807420129
            79807420129 13 January 2017 12: 14
            +9
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            If this was news from the 404th, I would laugh a lot

            Quote: Dekabrist
            Why not laugh?

            It's not evening yet, the ukroklouns have not yet appeared on the stage. good
            1. Dekabrist
              Dekabrist 13 January 2017 15: 02
              +1
              Our politely yielded to yours.
        2. 0255
          0255 13 January 2017 11: 07
          +1
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          If this was news from the 404th, I would laugh a lot. And so something is not funny ...

          so take a break from our country, in Belarus the state often does not pay contractors.
      4. seos
        seos 13 January 2017 11: 14
        +10
        Everything has already been paid in abundance, the thieves from the DEK simply do not admit it.
        Only lubricant and rags are allocated for maintenance and technical repairs of the power industry in the Far East, no repairs are made at all, everyone is waiting for the equipment to fall apart (it really crumbles) and the state will dump grandmothers on new equipment free of charge to eliminate the accident ... according to this principle, the power engineer and lives ...
        There was an accident at the Khabarovsk hydroelectric power station, the workers warned for half a year that it was inevitable, but the management refused to spend their hard-earned money on repairs ... as a result, the accident happened, people died, the region was de-energized, the government dumped the money, the management made money on it ... ...
        Red's business lives on !!!!
        In the 90s, he killed a bunch of people in the Far East - he turned off heating and electricity in winter, dozens of people froze to death, dozens more burned down from fires made in apartments ... then the newspapers wrote about this often ... but now he is absolutely innocent and clean before the law ...
        1. seos
          seos 13 January 2017 11: 26
          +10
          The matter is aggravated by the fact that in the Far East, in fact, the laws of the Russian Federation do not apply, the prosecutor's office, courts and the police only pretend to be working. There is no one to put the brains on the energy companies because they are covered by the local authorities. What can we say about the region, if, say, in the Primorsky Territory, the governor was, for 10 years, the crime boss Darkin, who now owns - energy, fishing, Primorye Bank, etc.
          People are fleeing from the Far East, because it has already become impossible to survive there, from the whole multimillion country only a few suckers found who for the "Far Eastern hectare" went to this ass of the world ...
        2. Titsen
          Titsen 13 January 2017 11: 33
          +1
          Quote: seos
          everyone is waiting for the equipment to fall apart (it really crumbles) and the state will dump the grandmas on new equipment to eliminate the accident ...


          And I work in a large private company as an engineer - so we have the same policy.

          I don’t understand as an engineer, but perhaps it’s more profitable from the point of view of economists?

          Anyway, no one serves, only plunders !?
        3. 1vlad19
          1vlad19 13 January 2017 12: 16
          +4
          Quote: seos
          There was an accident at the Khabarovsk hydroelectric power station

          The question is, where is the hydroelectric power station in Khabarovsk? Not beguiled anything? There is no hydroelectric power station in the Khabarovsk Territory. There are two in the Amur region, Bureyskaya, Zeiskaya.
          Quote: seos
          dozens of people froze to death, dozens more burned to death from fires made in apartments.

          Have you ever been to Khabarovsk yourself? In the 90s, half of Khabarovsk was on stove heating, there were barracks in the city center. Homeless people were burning and freezing. And no one turned off anyone, I myself have been in Khabarovsk since 92, and I know it personally, and not from the newspapers.
      5. private person
        private person 13 January 2017 11: 36
        +1
        The army is not a sharashkin cantor and all questions are addressed to the guarantor of the constitution.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 13 January 2017 17: 02
          0
          Quote: private person
          The army is not a sharashkin cantor and all questions are addressed to the guarantor of the constitution.

          Aha, to the previous current. Both organizations were hit.
          Clause 1 of the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 23.11.1995/1173/XNUMX No. XNUMX does not provide for any exceptions or grounds for which it is permissible to impose a restriction or termination of fuel and energy resources in relation to facilities that provide for military service
      6. Ivanov17
        Ivanov17 13 January 2017 12: 33
        +2
        Are you offering the military to throw off their salaries and cover their debts to the "poor shareholders" of RAO UES? Is the private shop already blackmailing the military?
        Quote: Black
        So the cutout in the hands of not Chubais, but faith in tomorrow is not enough

        . And where does the switch in whose hands? You have to pay!
      7. ENG-MAN
        ENG-MAN 13 January 2017 12: 52
        0
        It’s even strange. This is roughly speaking, the Ministry of Defense should mine. finance. The country owes itself to itself. But everyone seems to be doing a common cause.
      8. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 14 January 2017 16: 48
        0
        Quote: Black
        So the cutout in the hands of not Chubais, but faith in tomorrow is not enough

        . And where does the switch in whose hands? You have to pay!

        Who?
    2. Titsen
      Titsen 13 January 2017 11: 23
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      So the cutout in the hands is not in Chubais, but faith in tomorrow is not enough.


      And what is not paid then?

      Are interest rates twisted in banks?

      Paying, brothers, pay!

      These are your accounts, not strangers!
    3. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 13 January 2017 11: 29
      +1
      Here, either the power engineers got sick by raising tariffs, or in the Moscow region and not only in the Far East, something is wrong. Before the New Year, there were threats to cut off the electricity from the Vostochny cosmodrome. The impression of some kind of uncontrollable situation based on systemic problems in the region.
      1. Kenneth
        Kenneth 13 January 2017 11: 48
        0
        Such power engineers always agree at the level of authorities
        1. Kenneth
          Kenneth 13 January 2017 12: 03
          0
          Energy companies' tariffs are coordinated by the authorities
    4. Ivanov17
      Ivanov17 13 January 2017 12: 31
      +2
      Chubais's case lives on. Private property is "sacred now in the Russian Federation. The interests of shareholders are above the interests of the military
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      So the cutout in the hands is not in Chubais, but faith in tomorrow is not enough.
    5. Kent0001
      Kent0001 13 January 2017 13: 03
      0
      But life has become better, life has become more fun!
    6. Gray brother
      Gray brother 13 January 2017 17: 06
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      So the cutout in the hands is not in Chubais, but faith in tomorrow is not enough.

      For information:
      PJSC "DEK" continues to pursue a policy of threats to shutdown military facilities and inflate scandals in the media, despite the fact that payment for services of power engineers by JSC "GU Housing and Communal Services" is more than 90%.

      So far, boiler houses continue to operate normally and provide heat to all military facilities in the region. Nevertheless, the military utilities have already applied to the FAS, the prosecutor's office and are ready to defend their rights in court.

      Let us remind you that PJSC "DEK" announced that 92 objects of JSC "GU Housing and Utilities" were cut off from electricity, allegedly for debts. In the "GU Housing and Communal Services" itself, the information is not confirmed: "For the period of validity of the contracts until November 2016, PJSC" DEK "rendered services in the amount of 779,8 million, paid by JSC" GU Housing and Communal Services "- 696,9 million, which is almost 90 % (!). In the current economic situation, this is the best percentage of payment, - the company comments. - The remaining debt in the amount of 82,8 million will be paid off in January upon receipt of funds for the services rendered from the Russian Ministry of Defense, as well as upon repayment of accounts receivable by other consumers. PJSC "DEK" claims that there were no guarantees of payment, which is not true. On December 26, 2016 we sent such a letter to their Deputy Sales Director ”.

      Despite the high payment for services, as well as a letter of guarantee on repayment of the remaining debt, PJSC "DEK" continues to pursue a policy of fanning scandals in the media.

      https://guzhkh.ru/news/2016/gu-zhkkh-my-nedopusti
      m-shantazha-i-otklyucheniya-voennykh-obektov-so-s
      torony-pao-dek /
      - We have already repeatedly drawn attention to the unfair behavior of DEK in terms of fanning the hype around the working moments of debt repayment. This time, we intend to suppress such threats about the shutdown of military facilities, especially during the heating season, and have already sent appeals to the prosecutor's office and the FAS with a request to understand the actions of DEK PJSC, - said Dmitry Volokitin, General Director of GU ZhKKh JSC.
  2. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 13 January 2017 10: 57
    +4
    In my opinion, it is time to send these power engineers to the taiga for many years - to bite the snow. We already went through this in the 90s, and again the same song is sung by it.
    1. koksalek
      koksalek 13 January 2017 11: 26
      +2
      Begin with yourself. First, work for a year for free and then generate it for the rest
      1. Banishing liberoids
        Banishing liberoids 13 January 2017 12: 15
        +3
        koksalek - to begin with, I did not baptize children with you, do not poke, and, especially in our system, it is easier to break or disable than to build or run. And with the salaries that they pay us, we also work with delays - almost free of charge.
        1. koksalek
          koksalek 13 January 2017 16: 59
          0
          So it is not necessary to gag in one fell swoop all who just want to get their drive to bring down the taiga. If you are so determined why don't you take bread and other products in the store without payment? And if the seller is indignant and demands payment, tell him that you will take it by the scruff of the neck and send it to the felling. Then another more impudent one will send you there.
          The fault is not of power engineers, the fault is that in this case the laws do not work
    2. Kenneth
      Kenneth 13 January 2017 11: 50
      0
      There will be no energy without payment. Try to remember this. In order not to be disappointed in my own experience somehow.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 14 January 2017 16: 58
        0
        Quote: Kenneth
        There will be no energy without payment. Try to remember this. In order not to be disappointed in my own experience somehow.

        You don't need to rave. Who Said Not To Pay? If the tariffs were a little lower, then there would be enough money and everything would be paid.
        Here all sorts of "oil states" have prices for gasoline and energy for the population and domestic consumers several times lower than for export. And we have the opposite. Yes. These allowances go to the budget, that is, to us, but ..... More than half will go away. That is, they took from our feed, and then returned, half, in a year ... maybe. ORDER needs to be established and everything will be paid.
    3. Koshak
      Koshak 13 January 2017 14: 50
      0
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      In my opinion, it is time to send these power engineers to the taiga for many years - to bite the snow. We already went through this in the 90s, and again the same song is sung by it.

      And let's send everyone who wants money for goods and services from someone there. And communism will come, everyone will give away for free.
  3. The black
    The black 13 January 2017 10: 59
    +8
    Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
    In my opinion, it is time to send these power engineers to the taiga for many years - to bite the snow. We already went through this in the 90s, and again the same song is sung by it.

    For what? What prevents the military department from paying? And tomorrow, the military department will stop paying bakeries that bake bread for them, agricultural enterprises supplying food, garment factories ... etc. What do you say then? ...
    1. Banishing liberoids
      Banishing liberoids 13 January 2017 11: 17
      +4
      Black, there is such a city of Rostov-on-Don, I live in it. So our administration decided that it is better for people to walk than to subsidize public transport, and, in the near future, all trams in the city will simply become because they have no money, everything would be fine, but ... since there are trams, other transport does not run, and if there are trams, then the population will have to stomp a couple of blocks on foot in some places to the nearest stop - I’m talking about the fact that you have to pay for everything. option-11, the number of the transport, that is, on foot. There are a lot of fools to turn off something, but to start, make it work, it is difficult with this. Therefore, we have a total disconnection of everything from everyone on a national scale. Because they choose the easy path without bothering themselves with the desire to act differently.
      1. your1970
        your1970 13 January 2017 11: 41
        +1
        Because they choose the easy path without bothering themselves with the desire to act differently.- and what way do you propose to the power engineers? to sue the Defense Ministry with withholding the debts from the monetary allowance of the corresponding generals? What else can you do here? How to make the generals work? They do not even want to give guarantees anymore? Or do you think that the money in the army's budget for is it not laid?
      2. cap
        cap 13 January 2017 11: 42
        0
        Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
        in the near future, all the trams in the city will simply become, because there is no money for them, everything would be fine, but ... since trams run, other transport does not go, and if the trams become, then the population will have to stomp a couple of blocks on foot in places to the nearest stop - I'm talking to you about the fact that you have to pay for everything. It's a pity that people have just left one option - 11 number of transport, that is, on foot


        It seems not a trend, such ideas are not only in Rostov. A conspiracy against the transport of pensioners. But once it was the cheapest, while electricity was in the hands of the state.
  4. Pronow
    Pronow 13 January 2017 11: 03
    +2
    But everyone here is proud of the nuclear power plants. fellow
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 13 January 2017 12: 18
      +8
      Quote: Pronow
      But everyone here is proud of the nuclear power plants. fellow

      And what has nuclear power plants to do with it? It is about paying for the electricity already produced and supplied. Fat troll dear. tongue
  5. The black
    The black 13 January 2017 11: 09
    +5
    Quote: Pronow
    But everyone here is proud of the nuclear power plants.

    And where does the nuclear power plant. We are talking about the sloppiness of specific military commanders. They have the means to pay nehozza .. smile
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 January 2017 11: 34
      0
      In theory, the military leaders ceased to have the slightest relation to such payments even under Serdyukov. Something has changed?
  6. The splinter
    The splinter 13 January 2017 11: 10
    +5
    Key industries need to be nationalized, not the Chubais and Kiriyenko who have already devoured the whole of Russia ...
    1. uhu189
      uhu189 13 January 2017 11: 30
      +2
      And what will your nationalization give? The question is not in the owners, but in the conditions in which the economy exists, under which it is much more profitable to steal than to work. And while this happens - nationalize - privatize - nothing will change
      1. The splinter
        The splinter 13 January 2017 11: 33
        +3
        Well, if you think that the receipt of money in the budget of the Russian Federation and the personal pockets of the eternally hungry ruble thieves are one and the same, then of course ... And the embezzlers need to be executed, as in China ... or are you against ?!
        1. cap
          cap 13 January 2017 11: 46
          +3
          Quote: Splinter
          embezzlers need to be executed, as in China ... or are you against ?!


          I'm all for it! Moreover, it is indicative of the Execution Ground. It is not even necessary to build.
        2. uhu189
          uhu189 13 January 2017 11: 59
          +2
          Do you think that in the public sector they steal less than in the private? I would argue here, since it is easier to check a private trader, and theft is more obvious there. Here, in addition to the receipt of funds in the budget during nationalization, there is a reverse picture - money from the budget will have to be spent on the maintenance of this good. And to find more people who will manage this quite effectively. And if people, working on their own pockets (I mean the profit from the business) cannot manage, do you think that they will become better at managing a fixed salary? Again, I doubt it. Punishment for theft should be, but we have the rules of the game generally formulated so that without stealing or not giving a bribe it is simply impossible - you will not live in business. And it is precisely these conditions that need to be changed. But only those who are vitally interested in maintaining these conditions can change this. Hence the vicious circle ...
          1. The splinter
            The splinter 13 January 2017 12: 07
            +3
            In Russia, private traders have become completely insolent, I can take you by the hand and, without hesitation, bring into a bunch of cantors, in which there is double-entry bookkeeping and non-observance of the labor code, despite the fact that in the Putin government there are a lot of parasites receiving huge salaries who owe it all answer ... So I don't need to write about private traders, most of them can't even trust a bakery ... Bread will start baking out of mud ... I know a bunch of private traders who have enough money for expensive foreign cars, villas, sea boats and rest for Canary Islands, but there is consistently no money to pay taxes and salaries ... So I don’t need to write about the allegedly malnourished Rublyovka ...
            1. uhu189
              uhu189 13 January 2017 12: 34
              +1
              Do not row everyone into one comb, in everyday life you are confronted with services and goods produced by private traders much more than with public services and goods, and judging by you, you retain the legal capacity and ability to reason, so not everything is so bad. And you don’t have to drive me anywhere, I’ve been working in private offices for 15 years and I've seen a lot. The problem is the qualifications of those who manage. But the obvious fact is that the private trader manages his property better than the state official, since the private trader at least tries to get profit from it, and the official in general does not care if only the appearance of work is created. Of course there are exceptions, but on average it is a fact whether someone likes it or not.
              1. The splinter
                The splinter 14 January 2017 03: 15
                0
                It is not a fact, and the fact that the lion's share of the national wealth has settled in private pockets, and does not go to the budget, does Russia enormous harm.
        3. Kenneth
          Kenneth 13 January 2017 12: 00
          0
          Under the USSR and its collective farms, we bought grain. Now Russia is one of the first places in the world for the export of commercial grain. Tired of these snot about nationalization.
          1. The splinter
            The splinter 13 January 2017 12: 09
            +2
            Under the USSR, the CPSU, sick in the head, fed half of Africa, Cuba and so on at the expense of the USSR, that's why they bought grain, they fed a bunch of foreign parasites ...
            1. Kenneth
              Kenneth 13 January 2017 12: 18
              0
              Once again for those who cannot read. The USSR could not even provide itself with marketable grain.
              1. The splinter
                The splinter 13 January 2017 12: 23
                +1
                These are fables, because the entire socialist camp was fed at the expense of the USSR
                1. Kenneth
                  Kenneth 13 January 2017 12: 40
                  0
                  Read what I wrote earlier. You can do this several times if you don't get it.
                  1. The splinter
                    The splinter 14 January 2017 03: 16
                    +1
                    If the USSR did not provide for itself, then it would not have been able to provide for the entire socialist camp for so many years, and even more so, do not write nonsense ...
                2. dauria
                  dauria 13 January 2017 12: 42
                  +8
                  These are fables


                  “Recently, our television has repeatedly proudly informed us that the Soviet Union bought grain abroad, and today's Russia, like Tsarist Russia, sells grain abroad. But at the same time it is silent that the USSR bought feed grain, because only the RSFSR (Russia) had 1988 million head of cattle in 60, and now Russia has 20 million head, that is, three times less.
                  Russia also produces less grain. For example, in the absence of today's modern technologies, the RSFSR produced an average of 1970 million tons of grain per year from 1990 to 100,2, and post-Soviet Russia in the period from 1991 to 2007 - an average of 77,6 million tons.
                  "

                  Entirely on the shelves here http://zavtra.ru/blogs/pochemu-sssr-ne-prodaval-z
                  erno-za-granitsu

                  To be honest, I was also alarmed by optimism - the collective farms do not buy GAZ workers, I can see it myself. The agronomist sister says that even a third of them do not do it since Soviet times. And on TV, "the beautiful marquise" without the past "battles for the harvest." From childhood - military "Zila" with soldiers at the wheel during the harvest and the inscription on the cockpit "Order not to take passengers!"
                  1. Kenneth
                    Kenneth 13 January 2017 13: 18
                    +1
                    Stop typing nonsense. Firstly, Russia has already reached 105-110 tons for a long time, and for the RSFSR - 100 was several times with a very good harvest. Secondly, the statistics of the USSR took into account the grain dumped in bunkers, from 30% of which was subsequently lost during storage, and Russia is forced to count exactly marketable grain, that is, that which will go to the end consumer. Thirdly, do not lie about cattle If we compare according to Rosstat data, in the Russian Federation as of April 1, 2010 there were 21,4 million cows against 21,3 in the RSFSR in 1987. Etc. There are no miracles.
                    1. Odysseus
                      Odysseus 13 January 2017 14: 42
                      +2
                      Quote: Kenneth
                      If we compare according to Rosstat data, in the Russian Federation as of April 1, 2010 there were 21,4 million cows versus 21,3 in the RSFSR in 1987.

                      What an enchanting lie.
                      The number of cattle in Russia as of October 1, 2016 in farms of all categories totaled 19 thousand heads. Including, the number of cows totaled 456,1 8 thousand heads. Compared to October 322,4, 1, the cattle population decreased by 2015% or 1,8 thousand heads. The number of cows decreased by 358,3% or 1,9 thousand heads.
                      That is, you are comparing all the livestock of cattle in the Russian Federation with the livestock of only cows in the RSFSR.
                      Livestock statistics in recent years-http: //agrovesti.net/myasnoe_zhivotnovodstvo
                      / skotovodstvo_rossii_v_2016_godu_dannie_na_1_okty
                      abrya.html
                      Statistics on reforms in agriculture - http: //istmat.info/node/528 (it was brought up to the mid-2000s, but if the situation for grain has improved somewhat since then, then for livestock breeding only worsened).
                      Enjoy.
                      PS Although psychologically I understand the origins of such a blatant lie.
                      To bring down your own people into poverty, create a country of oligarchs and homeless people, ensure the extinction of the people (now they are stagnating, but this will not last long), destroy their own agriculture, and then rejoice the emergence of "surpluses" that can be sent for export and criticize the Soviet economy can only be a person of a special psychological makeup.
                      You need to hate Russia and your own people to the point of shivering and be ready to sell your own Mother for 30 pieces of silver.
                      No wonder you liked the Viking movie, you and the creators of this movie are literally twin brothers.
                      1. Kenneth
                        Kenneth 13 January 2017 18: 00
                        +1
                        You give figures for other years and indicators. So they are prone to empty demagoguery and are not interesting to me
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 14 January 2017 02: 12
                        0
                        When was the last livestock census conducted?
                    2. The splinter
                      The splinter 14 January 2017 03: 20
                      +1
                      The USSR fed the entire socialist camp, armed it and itself had such an army and navy that your Putin's Russia never dreamed of and will not have anything, your commanders are not the same, and you will never be able to feed the ever-hungry Chubais and Yakunins ...
        4. Koshak
          Koshak 13 January 2017 14: 59
          0
          Quote: Splinter
          ..And the embezzlers need to be executed, as in China ... or are you against ?!

          But their number in China is not decreasing either. Cut off the embezzler's hands - he will steal with his teeth and legs.
          1. The splinter
            The splinter 14 January 2017 03: 22
            0
            In China, it is not getting smaller, but in the Russian Federation it is getting more, because in China a corvette is built in 1 year, and in Russia in 9 ...
    2. Kenneth
      Kenneth 13 January 2017 11: 52
      0
      Then the electricity will start to be generated by itself?
  7. The black
    The black 13 January 2017 11: 37
    +1
    Quote: Splinter
    Key industries need to be nationalized, not the Chubais and Kiriyenko who have already devoured the whole of Russia ...

    This we have already passed smile
    1. The splinter
      The splinter 13 January 2017 11: 49
      +2
      Your supposedly effective managers actually turned out to be Sharikovs, wounded to the top of their heads ... who only steal and know how ...
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 13 January 2017 12: 15
      +1
      Quote: Black
      This we have already passed

      Taking everything and dividing it up we took place in 1993, not in 1917. Tearing apart public property and dividing it among our own.
      So you dear do not shift from a sore head to a healthy one.
      And, by the way, perestroika films (like a heart of a dog) were precisely aimed at making the stupid mass of citizens horrified by Sharikov, admiring Preobrazhensky and not interfering with the looting of property and the division of the country.
      It's been 25 years now, and you are still easy to control and manipulate.
      1. The black
        The black 13 January 2017 12: 24
        +1
        Quote: Odyssey
        Taking everything and dividing it up we took place in 1993, not in 1917. Tearing apart public property and dividing it among our own.
        So you dear do not shift from a sore head to a healthy one.

        All questions to Bulgakov ... wassat
  8. Duga
    Duga 13 January 2017 11: 45
    +2
    Well, therefore, the Vasilievs and Serdyukovs have not yet died out in Russia ...
  9. AID.S
    AID.S 13 January 2017 11: 47
    0
    Power engineers threaten to limit the power supply of hundreds of objects of the Ministry of Defense

    They won't turn off anything.
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 13 January 2017 12: 05
      0
      Disconnect as soon as fuel runs out
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 January 2017 11: 48
    0
    Restrictions have been imposed on secondary objects that do not affect the degree of the country's defense capability "

    And thanks for that. And you really need to pay on time.
    resignations will follow in the Ministry of Defense of the Far Eastern Federal District, which means I was right.

    You probably wanted to write to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Headquarters of the Far Eastern Military District (formerly KDVO).
  11. ZVS
    ZVS 13 January 2017 11: 49
    0
    Maybe it is better for Shoigu to pay the debt of the Ministry of Defense to power engineers,
    how to pump money into tank biathlon and aviadarts?
  12. Mourner
    Mourner 13 January 2017 11: 53
    +5
    I read the article, read the comments. Everyone pounced on the MO, but did anyone pay attention that the debtor of the AO is a joint-stock company. This is a stool-offspring, outsossing! Perhaps the Ministry of Defense transferred money, but businessmen solve their problems, suck off funds for their needs. And everyone pounced on admirals and generals fattening! What, will we start to spread rot again, like in 90? It was impossible to walk through Vladivostok in uniform! Turn your head on at least sometimes while sitting on the couch!
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 13 January 2017 12: 14
      0
      There, the MO ran into debt for electricity. Or I read something wrong.
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 13 January 2017 15: 03
        +3
        Quote: Kenneth
        There, the MO ran into debt for electricity. Or I read something wrong.

        There is a gasket between the power engineers and the Moscow Region (an intermediary in the form of a joint-stock company, such as a management company in housing and communal services) Apparently, they are twisting money somewhere.
  13. gridasov
    gridasov 13 January 2017 11: 58
    +1
    And I think. that within its own structure, the Ministry of Defense should be engaged in the development and operation of autonomous energy sources of all kinds. Moreover, it would be a "safety net" option for supplying power to remote centers of human life. In general, it is not clear how such an imbalance in the interactions of the structural components of this state can be in the structure of a state. It says a lot.
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 14 January 2017 10: 26
      0
      Quote: gridasov
      But I think. that within its own structure, the Ministry of Defense should be engaged in the development and operation of autonomous energy sources of all kinds.

      Consider the cost of building power plants in each garrison. Then you need to cultivate your own fields for grain and vegetables, build your own farms for growing agricultural animals, weaving and sewing factories ... After all, you also need to pay money from the MO budget for food and uniforms.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 15 January 2017 12: 31
        0
        You see, but in my approach there is an element of stimulation so that every military garrison, under extreme circumstances, could be self-sufficient and therefore always ready to fulfill the assigned tasks. But we are not talking about standard ways of solving these issues. An innovative search for ideas and solutions is needed.
        1. Koshak
          Koshak 15 January 2017 13: 16
          0
          Quote: gridasov
          You see, but in my approach there is an element of stimulation so that every military garrison, under extreme circumstances, could be self-sufficient and therefore always ready to fulfill the assigned tasks. But we are not talking about standard ways of solving these issues. An innovative search for ideas and solutions is needed.

          In each military unit for such an extreme case, there are always mobile or stationary emergency sources of electricity. energy. But their constant use is expensive.
  14. Odysseus
    Odysseus 13 January 2017 12: 08
    +1
    This is capitalism. This is a market economy. Everything is given to contractors, everyone is looking for profit, and they also strive to hide all this tax profit and put it in their own pockets. And sometimes not profit, but fixed assets are razed.
    One joint-stock company owes another joint-stock company. The Ministry of Defense itself has turned into an experienced dealer - no ends can be found. Everyone is blaming each other.
    Nobody cares about defense interests.
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 13 January 2017 12: 26
      0
      Debted by JSC "GU Housing and Communal Services" - Main Department of Housing and Communal Services of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Any questions ?
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 13 January 2017 14: 50
        +1
        Quote: Kenneth
        Any questions ?

        Nothing for you. There are a lot of "joint-stock companies".
        1. Kenneth
          Kenneth 13 January 2017 17: 57
          0
          Affiliated Society. No options
  15. sergej30003
    sergej30003 13 January 2017 13: 08
    +2
    the energy sector must be privatized by the state! and cannot belong to private individuals, you can always turn off the switch under a plausible pretext, this is called sabotage, until they figure out who is right and who is to blame, and time is lost, the delay is like death, but of course you have to pay, but these issues must be resolved at the ministerial level
  16. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 13 January 2017 13: 14
    +1
    I would not be surprised if the money was allocated, but wasted by management companies for other purposes. In the Far East, they like to steal on a large scale.
  17. Odysseus
    Odysseus 13 January 2017 21: 12
    +1
    Kenneth,
    Are you not enough humiliation? Please streamline
    In 2010, the number of cattle in Russia decreased by 3,1%.

    As a result of the drought, the number of cattle in Russia in 2010 decreased by 3,1% and amounted to 20,03 million heads.

    According to the new marketing research "Beef Market. Preliminary Results of 2010", conducted by Intesco Research Group, the Volga, Southern (including North Caucasian) and Siberian Federal Districts are the largest in terms of the number of cattle. The share of the Volga Federal District is 31,0%, the Southern Federal District (including the North Caucasian Federal District) - 22,0%, the Siberian Federal District - 21,0% of the total number of cattle.

    The number of cows in Russia decreased by 2,5% to 8,79 million heads. The largest in terms of the number of cows are the Volga, South (including the North Caucasus Federal District) and Siberian Federal Districts. The share of the Volga Federal District is estimated at 29,0%, the Southern Federal District (including the North Caucasian Federal District) - almost 24%, the Siberian Federal District - over 21%. Among the regions, the leaders in terms of the number of cows are the republics of Bashkortostan, Tatarstan and Dagestan. The share of the Republic of Bashkortostan is estimated at about 6,2%, the Republic of Tatarstan - 4,8%, the Republic of Dagestan - 4,6%. The total share of the Altai Territory and the Orenburg Region accounts for about 8,0% of the Russian cow population, RBC reports.
    If I were you, I would simply hang myself out of shame, but I understand that you do not know the concept of shame, and you will not even rise to the level of Judas ...
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 14 January 2017 00: 10
      +2
      There is nowhere to put meat and milk ...
      Livestock livestock - strife.
      As well as a hectare to a hectare. If instead of one hundred hectares of wheat with a yield of 5 quintals per hectare, it became 10 from 50, then you won in everything.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 January 2017 02: 15
      0
      "In 2010, the number of cattle in Russia decreased by 3,1%." - And in 2016, what happened to the livestock - increased or decreased?
  18. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 14 January 2017 00: 05
    0
    It's easy! And where are the procurators and prosecutors here? And where are all the counting chambers and deputies? And why comrade. Shoigu didn't know about this? And why do military facilities not have their own power plants? Well, drag the nuclear boat and plug in the cable like it's a war. Arrange teachings! It's good that "their" ones were turned off. And tomorrow the "tomahawks" will be turned off!
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    1. The splinter
      The splinter 14 January 2017 03: 24
      0
      Yes, and in Tatarstan everything was ruined ... From the factories that produced in Kazan the famous Pe-8, and then the Tu-160, very little remained ...
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 15 January 2017 13: 24
        0
        Quote: Splinter
        From the factories that produced in Kazan the famous Pe-8, and then the Tu-160, very little remained ...

        And where is the modernization going on now and the production of these same Tu-160s is being prepared? Or are they all lying again?
        1. The splinter
          The splinter 16 January 2017 09: 05
          0
          So far, there are only 3 aircraft in modernization, and if it continues at such a pace, it will drag on for years and the program for the construction of 40 new Tu-160 units will be disrupted ... Something is being done, but the pace is too low and does not meet the needs.
  20. fif21
    fif21 15 January 2017 01: 00
    +1
    Let them turn off laughing And we are building in prison or in "partisans". There is a law prohibiting shutdowns. There is a prosecutor's office, which should poke zealous disconnectors. But there is also the Ministry of Defense which should direct money to this item of expenditure. If the money has been stolen (and I'm not surprised by anything) it's time to start planting thieves in uniform. Work brothers. hi