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In the tank competition of Ukraine and China, the judge from Thailand declared the winner China. But how...

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Natural result: the Thai army refused the contract with Ukraine for the supply tanks Oplot-T. And if it was recognized in Ukraine, then the fact is a fait accompli. Although for a long time, the Ukrainian media announced all reports appearing on this topic as intrigues of external enemies. And Ukraine and Thailand have full understanding and agreement. You just need to understand the complexity of the situation.




And so it all started with a message on the Interfax Ukraine website with reference to the press service of the plant.

Kharkiv state enterprise "Malyshev Plant" has repeatedly disrupted the delivery dates under this contract. And Thailand's patience is over. This was stated by the Minister of Defense Rule Wongsumon.

The contract for the supply of MBT "Oplot" was concluded in the distant 2011 year. Ukraine pledged to the end of 2014 of the year to supply the Thai army with 49 tanks totaling $ 241 million. However, the events in Ukraine have become a brake on the fulfillment of the contract. Ukraine was able to deliver the first (and, apparently, the last) 20 machines only in 2016 year. The fate of the remaining 29 is not known. More precisely: not known to the general public. About this below.

Be that as it may, Thailand was really interested in buying tanks that fully met the requirements of their army. Moreover, the fact that the country agreed to a delay in deliveries is quite indicative. However, today the situation in the world has changed. And the situation in Ukraine, too.

The fact is that to supply high-quality tanks "Plant named after Malyshev" today is not capable physically. In the Ukrainian press there have been several reports about the press conference of the director of the information and analytical center "The Third Sector" Andrei Zolotarev.

"Thailand’s tank contract. It took an elementary thing - to grind the ring under the shoulder strap of the tower. There are machines, money came from the customer, and there are no more people who could do the work of the highest precision."

In this phrase, probably, the state of the majority of Ukrainian enterprises is expressed. We are accustomed to the fact that "Ukrainian industry has great potential." Deeply hammered into our heads, "Ukraine possesses the most qualified engineering and working staff at defense enterprises" puts pressure on the brain. However, the path of Ukraine in defense production is almost the same as that of Russia. But that is - "almost."

Recall the very recent past of our defense enterprises. Yes, it seemed to work. It seems that the frames were saved. And when it was necessary to drastically increase production, when the Ministry of Defense began to order equipment and weapons more actively, it turned out that enterprises for the most part lost skilled personnel. Indeed, there was almost no one to produce a new technique. Remember the attempts to return pensioners to factories. Remember the happiness of the directors who were able to fulfill the GOZ by the end of the year.

Even today, when many enterprises have revived their vocational schools, when universities are focused on specific orders of enterprises and are working to increase the number of specialists for such enterprises, we feel a shortage of specialists. And we will feel more than one year. The main thing was lost. The principle of continuity of the profession was lost. When a young specialist on arrival at the plant fell into the hands of a mentor. Yes, such that even engineers and designers listened and consulted with him. The young specialist was proud of his profession. And the profession helped him solve all material problems.

For Ukraine today, the Russian version is not acceptable. Universities and secondary schools are no longer able to quickly solve this problem. When, instead of technically literate teachers, politically correct leaders took the first roles, the training potential was lost. Restore it - it's not one year. And is it possible? Scientists and designers for the most part have either left for other countries, or have "retired" and have fallen behind in their knowledge of modernity.

It seems to me that specialists from Thailand also saw this problem. After all, many times the leadership of the Kharkov plant has motivated its requests to postpone the delivery of tanks by the deterioration of the situation in the ATO zone. The plant allegedly gave products to the front. To fight the terrorists. But, today Thailand owns a large fleet of tanks "Oplot" than the Ukrainian army. After all, the entire 10 of such machines has been delivered to the front all the time. 10 vs. Thai 20!

I think that foreign friends of Ukraine contributed to the preservation of the contract at such a pace of its implementation. More precisely, overseas. American politicians led by Obama had a lot of “leverage”. And it seems that these "levers" they used repeatedly. Otherwise, how can one explain such “appeasability” of the government? The absence of penalties and so on. In business, and the sale of tanks is primarily a business, such things are punished mercilessly.

And the second fact, which speaks in favor of this version, is the quick response of the Thai Ministry of Defense to the changing political situation in the United States. While the situation with the elections and the ensuing fuss was not clear, the Ministry of Defense of Thailand was sitting peacefully on the chairs, waiting. But as soon as it became clear that Trump is a fact, and for a long time, the work went at such a pace that even the finest European businessmen felt dizzy.

The Army Committee of Thailand, whose duties are precisely the issues of procurement of weapons and equipment, quickly decides on the reduction of Ukrainian supplies and the search for new suppliers. The Minister of Defense immediately visits China. Notice, not the price lists for the sale of tanks is studying, and goes to a specific country for a specific purpose. How much time is needed just to prepare such a visit?

So what is next? Further generally unbelievable for the eastern markets. Wongsumon signs a contract for the supply of X-Numx Chinese tanks VT-28. Moreover, China is becoming a consultant for Thailand on investment in tank construction and the use of machines! And this means complete control over the market of this country. Ukraine now has to quickly forget about this country.

Today on the official website of the “Malyshev Plant” a sluggish attempt to refute the breach of contract has been published. Officially, Thailand has not sent any alerts about this. So, there is hope. So, theoretically, the contract is still in force. Moreover, the plant director announces the delivery in a short time of the new party "Oplotov" receivers from Thailand.

In fact, even if a contract is fulfilled in some part, Thailand will not lose anything. It is clear that Ukraine will not be able to deliver 29 machines. But let five or ten cars with great tension will give. In addition to the 20 already available - this is quite a decent unit is obtained. And Chinese tanks will be supplied for other parts. Plus, the help of the Chinese in creating their own tank building.

Thailand, in any case, perfectly “got out” of the pit into which the Ukrainian contract pushed him. But Ukraine’s conclusions can already be made. And not about Thailand. And about the support of "the whole world with us" and "of all civilized humanity." Once again I am convinced of the simple and old as the world of truth. While you are strong and able to hit back, you are respected. Or at least they are afraid.

But as soon as you turn into nothing, they even forget to say hello to you. Who will pay attention to the empty space?

A good “food for thought” is clear to anyone.
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  1. jjj
    jjj 13 January 2017 15: 45
    +7
    And fifteen years ago, what poems were written on the Internet about the "unique Ukrainian tank building" ...
    1. One of you
      One of you 13 January 2017 16: 38
      +14
      This is a common thing, since all manufacturers write about the new product only in elevated tones, but the main thing, as you yourself understand, is the practice, incl. nothing special.
      As for the Kharkov products, and the Ukrainian military-industrial complex as a whole, the situation is simple to the point of banality - there will be no state assistance (at least financially political) and there will be no products.
      Whatever written liberals and specialists from the economy say, but this sector of the industry is very dependent on the state and no attempts by the owners to pull such enterprises to the leading position. From the point of view of the Kiev junta, investing in your military-industrial complex is sheer stupidity, because colossal budget money will be needed to upgrade equipment, train specialists, R&D and other components, while the money itself is getting less and less every day. So in the future, if this regime retains its power, the local military-industrial complex will be cut into scrap metal and will buy weapons from its overlords with the proceeds.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 13 January 2017 17: 43
        +17
        Quote: One of You
        . So in the future, if this regime retains its power, the local military-industrial complex will be cut into scrap metal and will buy weapons from its overlords with the proceeds.

        And how are things going in this industry? How about vocational schools, technical schools? We have the same eggs only in a cool, the educational process is completely divorced from production. Why should a private trader keep vocational schools, and so will break through.
        So something sticks out in our eyes.
        1. domokl
          domokl 13 January 2017 18: 07
          +6
          You’re right ... It’s toggling this business ... right in the ass to all directors of defense enterprises .... But they decide. And with the help of the state ... Khokhlom is in this area. ass. to breed education is no longer real
        2. vlad66
          vlad66 13 January 2017 18: 23
          +12
          Quote: Sirocco
          So something sticks out in our eyes.

          Sticking out, dear sticking out good Correctly the article says
          we feel a lack of specialists. And we will feel more than one year. The main thing was lost. The principle of continuity of the profession was lost

          Now they are trying to teach at the factories, but the scholarship from students is such that they will learn another month and go to managers and distributors, and God forbid to earn mentors to feed their families, and then the student needs to be taught. requestAnd dill would see how such reforms end, well, so they dug up the sea. laughing
          1. woron333444
            woron333444 15 January 2017 12: 49
            +2
            Our plant used to make BMPs, but now it is engaged in repairs. Well, they also do "Lynx". The borer takes beginners for training, he has a surcharge for each 10 thousand. A student from 8. Three months of training.
        3. One of you
          One of you 13 January 2017 18: 46
          +7
          Quote - "And how are things with us in this industry? As with vocational schools, technical schools? We have the same eggs only in cool, ..."
          -------------------------
          I probably missed something, apparently, but the article is about the Ukrainian military plant and military-industrial complex, and not the Russian one. They will write about the Russian military-industrial complex, and then we will discuss it.
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 15 January 2017 06: 04
            +1
            Quote: One of You
            I probably missed something

            Probably you got off at the wrong stop, so you missed it. The education system with Ukraine was the same, and the problems after the collapse are the same. In Ukraine, what happens in our 90s is happening, only with blood. Now what is it about?
            PS
            Patriotism is welcome, but not bad, and look at yourself in the mirror, periodically.
        4. bandabas
          bandabas 14 January 2017 11: 00
          +3
          Yes, that’s how it is. Old cadres optimize, but new ones don’t want to learn, but only want to get more. And preferably doing nothing. Well, plus the crowds of Gaster for pennies. This applies to the industry as a whole. Ah, and the bourgeois, saving on everything except their own pockets.
    2. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2017 18: 26
      +4
      Quote: jjj
      what poems have been written on the Internet about the "unique Ukrainian tank building" ..

      EEE .. brother .. not about tank building, but about the specific (in a word he wrote, he himself understood). And what, 64? Just honestly? The tank is really not bad .. Just fools got ...
  2. Monarchist
    Monarchist 13 January 2017 15: 51
    +2
    Roman, thank you for the article, let me remind you that Ukraine has already "borne" the Thai people with the armored personnel carriers, and now with the "stronghold" they, to put it mildly, are a little dodged.
    Frankly, I would like to get a comparative analysis of Chinese and Ukrainian tanks. At least there are many independent bays that have their tanks in the ratio: price and quality in front of the train
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2017 18: 09
      +3
      soldier Honestly, the question is not clear. TTX tanks in the network is ...
  3. demiurg
    demiurg 13 January 2017 16: 00
    +3
    There are like 50 tanks was a contract, and another option for how many cars?
    There is no silver lining But Ukraine will fall into the Guinness Book of Records. The smallest MBT in the world. 40 pieces)))
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2017 18: 20
      +1
      49 tanks worth 241 American million rubles yes
  4. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 13 January 2017 16: 03
    +2
    Can not be! Baron Tonkolyuk regularly claimed that work under the contract is going on as usual! smile
    However, it seems he said the same thing about the Iraq contract ... what
    Spawn this did not see, and here again!
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2017 18: 21
      +2
      bully This ... mode is eating ... the current of these ... tank net ... do you understand?
  5. Baloo
    Baloo 13 January 2017 16: 11
    +9
    Why do Thais need tanks? Rosvertol products and Kurgan armored personnel carriers would be more suitable for them.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 13 January 2017 17: 30
      +6
      Why why ! Firstly, as A. Raikin said, it will be solid .... at the entrance to the vegetable base! Secondly, with neighbors sometimes "graters" arise about the local "sandboxes"; Thirdly, the Thai administration, perhaps, had a dream about the "Great Siam" ....... Let's see!
  6. activator
    activator 13 January 2017 17: 58
    +6
    Where do we get 10 strongholds from? the author you flatter us or a reference to the source that they are, otherwise I somehow know that one accurately and out of my ear heard that already two.
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2017 18: 14
      +2
      Quote: activator
      Where do we get 10 strongholds from?
      Fick to you .. Samvse himself ... Malyshev Plant official site bully In fact, if you really set a task for the plant, the plant will give ten "strongholds" ... With the last bit of strength ...
      Like the last breath of a dying man
      1. activator
        activator 13 January 2017 18: 33
        +6
        Quote: domokl
        Where do we get 10 strongholds from? Fick you

        You are probably a journalist writer, manners are given out .. hi
        Quote: domokl
        Samvse himself.

        Well, I had to
        At the moment, "Oplot" has passed all state tests and was adopted by the Ukrainian army, but the purchase of this tank was constantly postponed due to lack of funds for a mass order of vehicles.

        Despite the war in the Donbass and the obvious need to update the tank fleet, the authorities did not allocate money for its purchase in 2016,
        this is from the official site, stop scaring the world with 10 strongholds. Although I am a resident of Kharkiv and stronghold champion, but the truth is more expensive.
        Quote: domokl
        In fact, if you really set a task for the plant, a dozen "strongholds"
        Yeah, and who will give money to 45 lyam yue, you can paint 450 thousand and 64, and you are talking about some strongholds.
        1. domokl
          domokl 13 January 2017 18: 58
          +2
          I’m probably a little bit versed in tanks ... Have you decided to talk about an adult?
          Quote: activator
          Well, I had to

          Indeed, what is written in the article is on the factory’s official website .. Just why did it surprise you? Or was it lazy to go in?
          Quote: activator
          this is from the official site, stop scaring the world with 10 strongholds. Although I am a resident of Kharkiv and stronghold champion, but the truth is more expensive.

          I’m a Siberian biryuk ... And so what? Well, read the factory’s website completely ... It’s just a shame to argue with such ... little readers ...
          Quote: activator
          Yeah, and who will give money to 45 lyam yue, you can paint 450 thousand and 64, and you are talking about some strongholds.

          How is it with the Americans? Sheriff Indians problems ... not that .... tongue
          1. activator
            activator 13 January 2017 19: 19
            +3
            Quote: domokl
            I’m probably a little bit versed in tanks ... Have you decided to talk about an adult?
            I just asked for confirmation of the information that you wrote in the article, but you started sending me to search for yourself, these ten strongholds are NOT.
            Quote: domokl
            It’s just a shame to argue with such ... little readers ...

            With many writers it is not clear what to argue is not offensive, but generally pointless.
    2. venik
      venik 15 January 2017 16: 11
      0
      Quote: activator
      Where do we get 10 strongholds from?

      ====
      They were actually built 10 pieces (for the APU). But I suspect that most of them ended up in Thailand (yes, yes!), Unless, of course, all 10 consists of those very "Strongholds"!
  7. shinobi
    shinobi 13 January 2017 19: 11
    +6
    In Soviet times, a 3-4-year-old hard worker received almost twice as much as an ordinary ITR and without straining, who didn’t drink, he kept a family of a wife, two kids and a mother-in-law. Who wanted to have a cottage. The worker was prestigious. And now?
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 13 January 2017 21: 15
      +5
      Therefore, they came to almost complete non-competitiveness that the work of Ittr was not put into anything.
    2. Des10
      Des10 15 January 2017 07: 44
      0
      Not true: 2 - "student", with 3 graduates from GPTU and "excellent students with hands and head" - only 4. But - GPTU! And experience and further progress - in years.
      Really could earn more 6-7-8 categories. smile
      Shabashka, deal - separately.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 16 January 2017 16: 11
      0
      The wives of the workers overwhelmingly also worked.
  8. Izotovp
    Izotovp 13 January 2017 21: 19
    +3
    Here is the backfill question: why did he run to the Chinese, and the Russian version did not sound at all? Ours did not follow the development of events and could not offer anything tasty to the Thais?
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 13 January 2017 21: 28
      +1
      Russian t 90 was considered as reported at the beginning of last year. But obviously lost.
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 13 January 2017 21: 32
        +2
        Thank. Forgotten. It looks like the Chinese have won the investment.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 13 January 2017 23: 58
        0
        geographically shared the world with the USA and with China
  9. Galleon
    Galleon 13 January 2017 21: 30
    +9
    A convincing example - there is no one to grind the ring under the shoulder strap of the tower. But the leaders - before the damn thing. And all in ties.
    Interestingly, does this example affect our managers? What is the situation with our workers in enterprises? As before, the salary is 20-30 thousand rubles, or are there clarifications in the brains of managers? Who is from the defense industry - say a few words, what can I say!
    1. user3970
      user3970 13 January 2017 21: 55
      +9
      Yes, okay, people, look for a speck in someone else's eye. What is better here in Russia? I look at the example of my family in several generations ... My father, the kingdom of heaven to him, was a welder from God, had the 7th (brigadier) category, did not drink. My brother followed in his father's footsteps, like the same 6th grade, but he stopped reading and was interested in this profession for further growth. His son (brother) is also a welder, but already of a rather average level, and then he left the profession altogether for bombily. Take a closer look, are there any patterners in your city - the elite of locksmiths? The era of professional workers with higher education is ending in my generation. He himself had a "tower", cars and motor transport + four 6th categories for blue-collar occupations. My friend is a carpenter, one of the best in the region, graduated from ASG, another friend is a blacksmith, also with a "tower", but we are not eternal, there is no change. Alas. Maybe the Chinese will help out?
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 13 January 2017 23: 56
        0
        it’s sad, but it’s necessary to determine the grade of steel - there will be a scanner analyzer
      2. Aingof
        Aingof 18 January 2017 10: 16
        +1
        Quote: user3970
        What is better in Russia?

        Yes, no better. He graduated from the university with a degree in electrical drive engineering. So what? Do you want to laugh? I am looking for work, I come to the largest enterprise in the city, which at one time did shells and guns and refrigerators. They take a design engineer a salary of 7 thousand with a premium of 10. Funny? What do you think I went there? The brother in the store receives a minimum of 20 -25. The electrician didn’t go to the factory, the grandfather quit sitting on the control and automation equipment 6-category because there is interest in the specialty. Salary with a premium of 19-20, but we get the bonus every other time, so 14. There is no plan - there are no bonuses. Crushed stone production plant with quarry, etc. Why is there no plan? There are no belazs, there are no spare parts for them, there are no spare engines for conveyors and screens (there is only one conveyor production - a factory), because the owners do not have money for the factory, they know better in Moscow. The plant’s plan is 175% of the norm in the Soviet years, it really makes a profit, the gravel compositions are coming. Equipment for wear. Personnel: everything rests on several Retirement Age Specialists. There are 6 EKG-4 excavators, the youngest of the 70s, one person knows them, and he is retired, he patches them regularly, they won’t work without him for half a year. There are workers and 40-year-olds, mostly on duty, to change the light bulb, starter, etc. regularly call at night what and how, they are not interested in anything, work is a salary at home. I, in my place, am responsible for all the automation of the PLC plant, the server, I skade it, I write programs for PLCs and PRs, I suffer from sensors in dusty conditions, I spend one replacing automation on a secondary branch (9 conveyors, 2 crusher screens), this is a program under the PLC, development of the circuit, installation, well, and launch. Now everything is in the process of installation. I always dreamed of inventing something, doing it - I like it. But not for 14 thousand wooden ones. Our ACS engineer works as a system administrator, and sets up Windows in accounting, the chief engineer comes and asks what new things we came up with to send a report to Moscow, the director boasts that his factory starts from a computer, he just did this one simple Kipyan who worked before me. Of the teachers, I only have Google. There is no learning continuity either, I teach programming. I will be a family soon 24, I will need to feed her. In the ass production, I'll go to the office to repair computers. For the industrial city of Orsk is turned into a fair, shopping and entertainment. Country of guards and sellers. We will work where they pay. But specialists in this country are not needed.
        PS is boiling.
  10. staviator
    staviator 13 January 2017 22: 35
    +2
    DELIVERY BY DELIVERY, but they will also need to be serviced. Parts must be supplied, and this is not so easy in the current Ukrainian economy. They are tormented with them.
  11. rus-5819
    rus-5819 13 January 2017 22: 36
    +2
    The media announced all reports appearing on this subject as intrigues of external enemies. And Ukraine and Thailand have full understanding and agreement.


    In business, and the sale of tanks is primarily a business, such things are punished mercilessly.

    Friendship is friendship, and tobacco (sorry, "grandmas") love the bill. Only now it will not be realistic to return your paid money or receive a penalty "from Pushkin" (in the sense from Ukraine), because what "fell from the cart, then" ..... stuck to your hand and you can't tear it off! Thais will not be envied !!!
    -
  12. mik6403
    mik6403 13 January 2017 23: 37
    +4
    Whether or not the Ukrainian military-industrial complex will have contracts, I personally, as well as the majority, don't care ... but the problem of qualified personnel for factories, including the military, is a huge problem not only for Ukraine but also in Russia. We have created a special economic zone in Pskov, and even the villains began to mold some factories - but the problem is where to get workers for these factories, there is not a single vocational school left in the city, but on the market, cowards are sold and taxed by graduates of "fence-building" lyceums by specialty management and jurisprudence ...
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 13 January 2017 23: 54
      +3
      "fence-building" lyceums specializing in management and jurisprudence .... is an educational program at the request of parents - many of them were deceived in the 90s. it is necessary to "float" in the modern requirements of the surrounding world and laws for another 10 years there will be a separation from the labor market
      and I don’t know how Nigeria will lure orders from China yes + robotics all over the world - all that remains is to stick tag chips
      without the closure of the country "according to Trump", no Kudrin will balance the mythical budget
  13. antivirus
    antivirus 13 January 2017 23: 49
    +3
    When a young specialist on arrival at the plant fell into the hands of a mentor. Yes such
    at about 10: an old acquaintance: there are 5 coordinates in the workshop, we don't need this already, I'm walking down the aisle. I hear the instrument "whistle", I say to the operator, but he does not hear me, the earpiece takes out from the ear, music "
  14. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 16 January 2017 09: 41
    +2
    Even today, when many enterprises revived their vocational schools, when universities focus on specific orders of enterprises and are working to increase the output of specialists for such enterprises, we feel a shortage of specialists. And we will feel more than one year. The main thing was lost. The principle of continuity of the profession was lost. When a young specialist on arrival at the plant fell into the hands of a mentor. Yes, such that even engineers and designers listened and consulted with him. The young specialist was proud of his profession. And the profession helped him solve all material problems.

    200% Agree! The problem with personnel is already in all spheres in Russia. See what they sell, what "professional" services they provide. There are no doctors, there is a "specialist" with a diploma. It's generally fun for the goods. Finished product: Registered brand of the country: Russia, and production: China. Young people do not want to work with their hands, it is not prestigious. After all, turners and mechanics are not advertised on federal channels as actors, singers, or producers. The remnants of the old workers' guard will die out, and then we will have a full spoonful of the results of joining the WTO.