110 anniversary of the birth of Sergei Pavlovich Korolev

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110 years ago 12 January 1907 was born the future founder of practical cosmonautics, designer and scientist in the field of astronautics and rocket production, chief designer of the first Soviet launch vehicles and manned spacecraft Sergei Pavlovich Korolev. In many ways, many of the successes of the Soviet Union, and now of Russia in the exploration of space, are associated with the name of this person. It is worth noting that in 2017, Russians will celebrate at once two anniversaries of people who are directly and inextricably linked with the national astronautics: 160 since the birth of Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, who laid the foundations of theoretical cosmonautics, and 110 since the birth of the founder of practical cosmonautics Sergei Korolyov.

In the Soviet Union, only a very limited circle of people knew that it was the name of this person that made progress in the domestic space industry. During his lifetime, Sergei Pavlovich Korolev remained a nameless chief designer or professor K. Sergeev, whose articles sometimes appeared on the pages of the Pravda newspaper. His name was declassified only on the day of his death. He died early - January 14 1966, at the age of 59. But even for the time allotted to him on Earth, he managed to achieve a lot and do a lot, leaving behind a rich legacy that allows Russia to occupy leading places among the space powers in the 21st century. Here are just some milestones from the biography of this amazing man.



Sergey Korolev was born on January 12 of 1907 in Zhytomyr in the family of Pavel Yakovlevich Korolev, a teacher of Russian literature and the daughter of Nizhinsky merchant Maria Nikolaevna Moskalenko (Balanina). The parents separated very quickly: when Seryozha was about three years old, his mother left the family, and for some time he was brought up in Nezhin by his maternal grandmother. Surprisingly, one of the most famous scientists and designers of the XX century received education in fits and starts. He rarely managed to linger on one place of study. This was due to a variety of reasons, mainly from his mother's travels. In the years of study Korolev was never a "nerd." He loved sports, he enthusiastically worked in school workshops, he studied physics and mathematics and at the same time could pass the entire school corridor on his hands.

Thanks to his stepfather, Grigory Mikhailovich Balanin, Korolev already in childhood developed a love for himself aviation. He became interested in aviation technology in his school years, was engaged in numerous circles and sections. He constructed his first glider at the age of 17 years. On the second Koktebel glider, the pilot Artseulov was able to set an all-Union record for the range of a soaring flight. He was predicted a great future in the aircraft industry. Andrei Tupolev, who was the head of the diploma of Sergey Korolyov at the Bauman Moscow Technical University, did not doubt it at all. But fate decreed in such a way that Korolev became a designer, but it was not planes that swallowed him. In the spring of 1929, the future designer read the book, “Investigations of World Spaces with Jet Devices,” which was written by Konstantin Tsiolkovsky. The idea that flights can be made not only on gliders and airplanes and not only within the atmosphere literally swallowed him.


In September, 1933, Mikhail Tukhachevsky issued an order on the establishment in the USSR of a reactive research institute. Sergey Korolev receives in him the post of deputy director. At the same time, Tukhachevsky urged the designer to forget about space flights and focus on rocket engineering. One year after the arrest and execution of Marshal Tukhachevsky in 1937, Korolev was accused of sabotage on a false denunciation and sentenced to forced labor camps by 10. He will go to serve his sentence on Kolyma, on the gold mine Maldyak. Neither cold, nor hunger, nor the harsh conditions of detention could break the eminent scientist. They say that he counted his first radio-controlled rocket right on the wall of the hut. Proving his innocence, he wrote letters to Stalin personally, his mother pestered various institutions, seeking a review of the case. Help was provided by the famous pilots Mikhail Gromov and Valentina Grizodubova, who knew Korolev well. In May, 1940 was returned to Butyrka, a new investigation took place, the term was reduced to 8 years, and Sergei Korolev was transferred to a special prison of the NKVD. There were 4 design bureaus that were developing new aircraft. Sergei Korolev was assigned to the Tupolev Design Bureau, where at that moment there was work on the creation of Pe-2 and Tu-2 bombers, which he took part in creating.

The great victory in May 1945, Sergei Korolev met in the "sharashka" at the Kazan Aviation Plant, where at that time was in full swing development of rocket engines. In 1944, he was prematurely released from prison with a criminal conviction, but not rehabilitated, the release took place on Stalin’s personal order. In September, 1945 was assigned to him to go to Germany to study the German V-2 ballistic missile. To test the missiles, which were organized by the British for the Allies, Sergei Korolev went as a driver to one of the generals. His mission in something was spyware. In this case, one of the military, as it turned out in the future English scout, did not believe in the image of the Soviet artillery, created by Korolev. The Englishman was surprised that Korolyov had absolutely no orders (he hadn’t met such Russians at that time) and had “a forehead too high for an artillery captain”. Already at the end of the summer of 1946, Sergey Pavlovich became the chief designer of the OKB-1, where the most important task was set for him - to develop an analogue of the German V-2 ballistic missile. Only two years later, in the USSR, tests of the P-1 ballistic missile were conducted, and in 1950, it was put into service.

110 anniversary of the birth of Sergei Pavlovich Korolev

The character of Sergey Korolev was very peculiar, as his friends and relatives spoke about. The extraordinary mind of this man was combined with child restlessness, which did not disappear anywhere until death. The main feature that made the cosmonautics father out of Korolev was reverie. He dreamed of creating a lunar settlement, conducting an expedition to Mars and creating a Mars base. Under Khrushchev, even the most audacious plans of the designer found support. In 1960-s in the USSR, no one doubted that the plans planned in the framework of the “space offensive” were feasible and feasible, they worked on them. He dreamed the chief designer of the OKB-1 about his flight into space, knowing full well that he would not be able to fly, not only because of his position and importance for Soviet science, but also because of his age and health, which did not prevent dream of zero gravity and stars glittering in the porthole.

Sergey Korolev was a stubborn and purposeful person, which certainly helped him bring many projects to a logical conclusion. Without this, he would never have become the creator of the two-stage intercontinental ballistic missile P-7, it was on his initiative and under his leadership that the first artificial Earth satellite (AES) was launched, he designed the Vostok-1 manned spacecraft without which would be the first manned flight into space, in which Yuri Gagarin went. But along with dedication, many of the designer’s acquaintances noted his healthy cynicism and pessimism, which were formed in him because of his hard life and became the imprint of his unfair imprisonment. However, the scientist tried not to give these qualities an exit, always keeping calm. In his memoirs about Korolyov, Leonid Kerber wrote that the designer was often sullen, and his favorite phrase after the conclusion was “slap without an obituary”. At the same time, according to the statements of cosmonaut Alexei Leonov, Korolev was never embittered at life and never complained, he understood that embitternment causes depression, and not the creative impulse that was necessary in his work.


It so happened that Sergei Noble Prizes went around Sergei Pavlovich at once. After the launch of the first artificial satellite of the earth, the Nobel Committee sent an official request to the USSR: who can be awarded the prize? However, Nikita Khrushchev noted that one person cannot be called the creator of the new technology, the people and the socialist system are the real creators. Some excuse for the secretary general was that Korolev was classified, and the secrecy applied in those years to almost all of his developments. The second time Korolev could receive the Nobel Prize already in 1961 for his first manned space flight. Both awards eventually passed by a talented Soviet designer and scientist, but he managed to become the only stories Soviet Union, a man who was awarded the title Hero of Socialist Labor (20 April 1956 of the year), not yet rehabilitated. A complete rehabilitation of the designer in the absence of corpus delicti in his actions occurred on April 18 of the year 1957.

“Many noted Korolev's superstitions, his almost reverent awe at some omens,” recalled Mark Gallay, doctor of technical sciences. “This, of course, was not, however, one cannot say that he completely neglected omens. So, for example, Sergey Korolev terribly disliked launches of his missiles on Mondays. But sometimes such days did happen, and he literally “bombed” everyone who fell under his hot hand. He also didn’t like when he ran into women at the start. ” Also, Sergey Pavlovich always carried two coins in his right pocket of his jacket - for good luck. In the difficult moments of his life, he could sort them out.


In the coming days, if you find yourself in the Korolev near Moscow, you can visit a photo exhibition dedicated to Sergey Pavlovich Korolev's 110 anniversary. The exhibition was extended to January 26. The exhibition can be visited free of charge on the second floor of the TsDK Kalinin from 11: 00 to 16: 00. Photographs of this exhibition will tell about the life and work of the ingenious designer, his development and research. Visitors can learn a lot about Sergey Korolev’s comrades-in-arms and his family. The exhibition will feature rare archival photos, which are transferred to the daughter of the designer Natalia Sergeyevna. The photographs show the childhood years and the Korolev family, photographs in which the designer is depicted while working on the diploma, photographs taken in Germany in the post-war years, a well-known photograph of Gagarin and Korolev during a conversation on a bench, and many other curious snapshots.

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  1. cap
    +12
    12 January 2017 06: 51
    Thanks to the author reminded. The Queen is a lump of people who do not agree with this .... I think everyone agrees.
    Man of the century. Yes, there are simply no words. The kingdom to him is heaven. hi
    1. cap
      +11
      12 January 2017 06: 55
      Quote: cap
      Man of the century.


      Thanks to him and the Soviet people, we "went". And thanks to him, we "hold on."
      1. +9
        12 January 2017 10: 22
        Quote: cap
        Thanks to him and the Soviet people, we "went".

        The first man to fly into space before 1953 would now sing praises to Stalin, and since the flight was under Khrushchev, we do not mention him, of course, not comme il faut. I don’t want to sing odes to Khrushchev (as, incidentally, to other leaders from the CPSU), but without the support of Khrushchev Korolev is unlikely to achieve such results
        1. cap
          +7
          12 January 2017 10: 32
          Quote: veteran66
          but without the support of Khrushchev Korolev is unlikely to achieve such results


          Khrushchev flesh from the flesh of the CPSU, but you can’t refuse him a flair. No wonder I. Stalin was replaced.
          1. +3
            12 January 2017 10: 37
            Quote: cap
            but you can’t refuse him a flair.

            in this case (space), most likely personal ambitions. And about the flair and power I agree with you, the commies are like wolves, whose flair is sharper than the rest and bit at the top.
            1. cap
              +8
              12 January 2017 10: 50
              Quote: veteran66
              commies like wolves, whose flair is sharper than the others bit and on top was.


              Now everyone crosses themselves with a cross. laughing Perhaps carry laughing
              1. +5
                12 January 2017 11: 00
                Quote: cap
                Perhaps carry

                so here is not a cross, but a laxative to help laughing
            2. cap
              +1
              12 January 2017 10: 52
              Quote: veteran66
              Quote: cap
              but you can’t refuse him a flair.

              in this case (space), most likely personal ambitions. And about the flair and power I agree with you, the commies are like wolves, whose flair is sharper than the rest and bit at the top.


              I tried to put a second plus, it does not work laughing
            3. +7
              12 January 2017 23: 54
              Where else is it, my friend? The main thing is what is the purpose for which you bite your enemies. If your goal is the well-being of your people and country, then this is for the good. if your goal is the collapse of the country, then this is a disaster. That trouble that happened to our country after the 53rd. Gradually, gradually destroying the Stalinist model of building a successful social state. And finally, having decomposed, to finish off a great country, sold by a worthless elite.
              And only the Stalinist model of development brought us into space, not Khrushch. This took advantage of the Stalinist backlog and the impulse of the people who saw that everything conceived could be accomplished during his lifetime.
              And the great Korolev could appear only in the Stalinist Soviet Union.
              1. +3
                13 January 2017 06: 41
                Quote: NordUral
                And the great Korolev could appear only in the Stalinist Soviet Union.

                what do you say? Rather, he could go there, like many others, but he was just lucky. And he became the Korolev whom we know under Khrushchev.
        2. avt
          +3
          12 January 2017 12: 30
          Quote: veteran66
          The first man to fly into space until 1953 would now sing praises to Stalin,

          Well, something like dogs with Kapyar ballistic even under Stalin and Beria threw.
          1. +3
            12 January 2017 13: 38
            Quote: avt
            Well, something like dogs with Kapyar ballistic even under Stalin and Beria threw.

            I agree, but I'm not saying that "space" began to develop only under Khrushchev. I am about the support of Korolev Khrushchev. In order not to go into reasoning here, read the trilogy by Chertok BE, there is everything about "space".
        3. +3
          12 January 2017 16: 51
          the curator of space work from the secretariat of the Central Committee of the CPSU was L.I. Brezhnev
          1. +2
            12 January 2017 16: 54
            Quote: RoTTor
            the curator of space work from the secretariat of the Central Committee of the CPSU was L.I. Brezhnev

            So what? Did he decide something? The usual transmitter of information up.
      2. +1
        17 January 2017 13: 53
        Forgive me, but judging by the state of the Russian Federation, we have long "Arrived" ...... hi
    2. +5
      12 January 2017 09: 20
      Quote: cap
      Man of the century.

      What age is such a man.
    3. +6
      12 January 2017 10: 57
      In the USSR, as in any country, both achievements and shortcomings. Legendary person. Thanks to him, we are the first in space
    4. +4
      12 January 2017 19: 47
      For some reason, the authors of many articles about Sergei Pavlovich shyly keep silent that the talent and abilities of the future General Designer in the 30s were highly valued. He was awarded the title of "diviner" at the age of 28, there are two rhombuses in his buttonhole (general's creature) ...
  2. +8
    12 January 2017 06: 52
    The whole world is known and the First Man in Space, Yuri Gagarin, has entered history forever! But even greater merit and honor for Sergey Pavlovich Korolev! He is the first designer and conqueror of space!
  3. +7
    12 January 2017 07: 28
    Yes .. SP Korolev laid the foundation .. so far everything rests on it .... Man! .. I thank the author for the article ..
    1. +7
      12 January 2017 13: 21
      Quote: parusnik
      .Human !.

      said one officer who saw and worked under Korolev. entrusted the soldier to feed the dog that was supposed to fly into space. then there were big weight restrictions. and the dog adds and adds everything. the soldering was cut to the limit. still gaining weight. tracked. it turned out that the soldier carries his ration from the dining room and feeds the dog. they began to scold him, and he repeats his, pathetic little dog, whines and whines. reported to Korolyov, how they say to punish a soldier? The answer was simple. NO, for the GOOD is not punished. I don’t know the bike or not, but it told us on D
      Cosmonautics Day Team Leader
      1. +3
        12 January 2017 13: 34
        To paraphrase O. Grigoriev's poem "Vitamin for growth"
        Tell me, Smirnov, frankly,
        You fed the dog
        For humane reasons
        Or out of pranks?
        Smirnov lowered his eyes
        And through tears he said:
        - Not for humane reasons,
        And out of pity ....
  4. +9
    12 January 2017 08: 22
    Quote: parusnik
    Yes .. SP Korolev laid the foundation .. so far everything rests on it .... Man! .. I thank the author for the article ..

    I agree. He not only laid the foundation by creating a "firm", he gathered a galaxy of like-minded people. In the mid-80s, I had the opportunity to talk on a business trip with one of the old designers of his company, who began his career in the 50s at Korolev's.
    His opinion about Sergey Pavlovich was approximately as follows.
    He was not just the chief designer, he was a brilliant designer. He could catch the idea not yet fully expressed, and was a brilliant manager (modern manager). He could do what it would seem impossible to do.

    A person was able to create a team of like-minded people capable of doing what would seem impossible. Although as a constructor - we practically do not know what he "created". But we know what he created as CHIEF DESIGNER
  5. +4
    12 January 2017 08: 25
    I liked the article. Man was a man, did not break. Thanks to these, our Russia lives. Interestingly, but do we have a designer who was not an enemy of Soviet power?
    1. +12
      12 January 2017 09: 28
      Quote: captain
      But do we have a designer who was not an enemy of Soviet power?

      Without kicking the Soviet power even once, probably don't go to sleep? Doesn't a piece of bread fit in your mouth? Did you not get free education in the USSR? Type in "outstanding Soviet designers" in a search engine and read ... if you are really concerned with finding the truth.
      1. cap
        +8
        12 January 2017 10: 01
        Quote: V.ic
        Without having kicked at least once the Soviet power, probably do not go to bed?


        And I have the other way around, until I remember with gratitude what I owe to the Soviet regime, I can’t sleep.
        Sorry for the grandchildren, they will not understand me. For them, I will be the grandfather of the storyteller.
      2. +3
        12 January 2017 11: 03
        Quote: V.ic
        BeЗdid not receive paid education in the USSR?
        Is this the result of education? And now is it really paid?
        1. +4
          12 January 2017 13: 43
          Quote: veteran66
          Is this the result of education?

          "Demon" - it is certainly paid! Try to write separately "free of charge". Look at the end of the first half of "beС". How would you write it now? It's good that for now we distinguish between" e "and" e "!
          Think more about the "demonic". Demon-talan // Demon-worthwhile//Demonheart, etc. Whom praise?
          Quote: veteran66
          And now is it really paid?

          Well, if you do not take into account the extortions at school "for their own needs", so to speak "in the order of self-taxation ... Your grandchildren do not go to school, obviously ...
          1. +2
            12 January 2017 14: 42
            Quote: V.ic
            Think more about the "demonic". Dumb // Dumb // Heartless, etc. Whom do we glorify?
            However, this does not cancel the rules of the Russian language
            Quote: V.ic
            Your grandchildren don’t go to school, obviously ...

            grandchildren yet, but I did not pay for the children. Repairs were done, as in the good old days, flowers were brought to the windowsills, but even in the Soviet school I did the same or my parents. But now schoolchildren do not wash classes.
            1. +1
              12 January 2017 15: 14
              Quote: veteran66
              However, this does not cancel the rules of the Russian language

              Then I repeat the question "for a helluva lot clever", only from the other side:
              ...demon paid or without pay... Which spelling do you think is correct?
              1. +2
                12 January 2017 15: 37
                Quote: V.ic
                free or no paid ... Which spelling do you think is correct?

                for the very literate I will repeat: FREE, and if you hint at changing the letter in the preposition and the prefix, then this is no exception in the Russian language, the consonants also change in the roots, for example, lodges and lags (lie down and lie, attach and attach), well, in general , for the tutorials! As your grandfather Lenin used to say: "Study, study and study again !!" Russian language textbook for the 5th grade to help you !!
                1. 0
                  12 January 2017 19: 35
                  Quote: veteran66
                  for highly literate, I repeat: FREE

                  Dear, "without" = this is the ABSENCE of what this preposition is attached to, and "demon" = is "evil".
                  ... well, now write ALLOCATED You have a separate word!
                  1. +3
                    12 January 2017 22: 18
                    Quote: V.ic
                    Well, now write your highlighted word separately (separately)!

                    don’t force me to wear pants over my head, for free this is an adverb and it is written together, and since, according to the rules of the Russian language, after the prefix without there is a deaf consonant, the voiced in the adjective changes to a deaf. All! Or are you a follower of this illiterate minister of education who wanted to reform the Russian language?
      3. +2
        12 January 2017 11: 23
        Quote: V.ic
        Type in the search engine "outstanding Soviet designers" and read

        thank you, read it .... only I added the word "repressed" in the search How many talented people have been ruined! Yes, there were then rehabilitated, treated kindly by the authorities (awards, orders, titles), and then again planted or shot. Nikolay Chinakal, Pyotr Palchinsky, Pavel Goinkis ... whom he managed to read about.
        1. +2
          12 January 2017 19: 41
          Quote: veteran66
          How many talented people were ruined!

          ... forgot to mention the child's tear! After all, it was not aliens who "passed" "them", but colleagues, neighbors, etc. ... society!
          1. +1
            13 January 2017 11: 16
            Quote: V.ic
            After all, it was not aliens who "passed" "them", but colleagues, neighbors, etc. ... society!
            You know, demand creates supply, that at the present time nobody writes denunciations. Does society form a state or vice versa?
      4. +3
        12 January 2017 16: 54
        captain - gendarme and cavalry rank. Can. gendarmesie genes do not let him sleep ...
    2. +5
      12 January 2017 13: 15
      Quote: captain
      Interestingly, but do we have a designer who was not an enemy of Soviet power?


      Judge for yourself, in the most secret design bureaus, they could not do without .... spies and terrorists (main employees), and this is from 1930 !:

      OGPU Collegium Secretariat
      September 7, 1931 No. 40689
      Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks KAGANOVICH


      Design bureaus at the OGPU have been created and are working in Moscow, Leningrad, Western Siberia and Rostov-on-Don.
      When sending you a reference on the work being done in these Bureaux, I consider it necessary to emphasize that As part of the Design Bureau is
      :
      Spies .................................. 74 people.
      Terrorists .............................. 9 "
      Leads. organiz ...................... 98 "
      Saboteurs ................................ 44 "

      Members of the industrial parties ........................ 14 “
      Active to / revolutionary ............... 184 "
      Of the total number / 423 / - 160 "

      It is quite natural that the release of the head of the organization, spies, saboteurs and terrorists is not possible.

      In addition, the vast majority of work will be finished In the first half of 1932 why the release of specialists at the moment is not particularly feasible, especially considering that the overwhelming percentage of work is of a defense nature.

      REP. PREV OGPU: SHARKS

      AP RF F.3., Op. 58., D.142., L. 1


      So the Queen was lucky that he got there only in 1937
      1. +4
        12 January 2017 13: 42
        Quote: Olgovich
        Of the total number of / 423 / -consequences 160

        and this is generally cool, i.e. you are a spy or leader of the conspiracy, but for now, work, then we'll get to you))))
    3. +2
      13 January 2017 00: 01
      They became "enemies" thanks to the denunciations of the real enemies of the people.
      1. +3
        13 January 2017 06: 43
        Quote: NordUral
        real enemies of the people.

        I will not argue, I agree. But why did these real enemies of the people live and prosper further, and honest people either rotted in the camps or shot?
  6. +6
    12 January 2017 09: 10
    today in Korolev unveil a monument to the Queen and Gagarin. sort of on a bench
    1. +3
      12 January 2017 12: 09
      There is a similar one in Taganrog, but this one is better
  7. +4
    12 January 2017 12: 37
    I will add that Sergey Pavlovich had a rocket ready for Mars, but after his death it was destroyed. The United States is still crawling around Russia looking for any mention of this rocket.
    1. +1
      12 January 2017 16: 58
      Quote: EvgNik
      I will add that Sergey Pavlovich had a rocket ready for Mars, but after his death it was destroyed.

      What are you? And a series of stations "Mars" and "Probe" were thrown to Mars with a slingshot?
      1. 0
        13 January 2017 08: 50
        The "probe" was not to Mars, but around the Moon with the return of the capsule.
        1. 0
          13 January 2017 11: 25
          Quote: Aviator_
          The "probe" was not to Mars

          You are not quite right:
          Automatic interplanetary stations (AMS), intended for the study of Venus and Mars from flight paths (Zond-1 and Zond-2), as well as the Moon (Zond-3). Several spacecraft, due to unsuccessful launches, did not receive the name "Probe" and the serial number.
          In addition to the "Probe", there was also the "Moon" program
          1. 0
            13 January 2017 20: 54
            Yes, the first two "Probes" were directed to Venus and Mars, then they all went to the Moon. The last Probe 8 orbited the moon, returned to Earth, and landed in the Indian Ocean on 27 10 1970.
            1. 0
              14 January 2017 21: 00
              Quote: Aviator_
              Yes, the first two Probes were directed to Venus and Mars

              in my opinion we discussed the flight of a rocket to Mars, and not the number of stations launched
  8. +5
    12 January 2017 13: 25
    Quote: EvgNik
    I will add that Sergey Pavlovich had a rocket ready for Mars, but after his death it was destroyed. The United States is still crawling around Russia looking for any mention of this rocket.

    Alas, there was no rocket. There was a project, but not a rocket. Korolev’s largest product is the N-1 carrier. But it was a moon rocket, alas, did not make a single successful flight
    1. +2
      12 January 2017 17: 31
      Quote: Old26
      Korolev’s largest product is the N-1 carrier.

      I wrote what I heard. It was N-1, and it was said that it was this rocket to Mars that was ready for launch. Guilty, did not check the information. I believe you, I will try to prevent such mistakes.
      1. 0
        13 January 2017 08: 51
        It was 4 start-up, all emergency. At the beginning of 70's, the program was closed. Glushko contributed.
  9. +9
    12 January 2017 13: 32
    "Keep in mind that if you do it quickly and badly, then people will forget what you did quickly and remember what you did wrong. If you do it slowly and well, then people will forget what you did slowly, and they will remember that you done well! " S.P. Korolyov.
    Over the years, man has seen!
  10. 0
    12 January 2017 14: 07
    Quote: captain
    I liked the article. Man was a man, did not break. Thanks to these, our Russia lives. Interestingly, but do we have a designer who was not an enemy of Soviet power?

    The only surname that I remembered was Yakovlev. It seems from the aviation he never sat
    1. 0
      12 January 2017 17: 54
      You better try to name which of the first main rocket launchers was sitting (except for Korolev and Glushko).
    2. +2
      12 January 2017 19: 55
      Quote: Old26
      The only surname that I remembered was Yakovlev.

      Add to your piggy bank: Mikhail Iosifovich Gurevich (Jew), Artyom Ivanovich Mikoyan (Armenian), Semen Alekseevich Lavochkin (Simon Alterovich Aizikovich).
  11. +3
    12 January 2017 16: 39
    what kind of cunning * opaya wording is so constantly, "on false denunciation"? and it is necessary to add "sabotage", "Tukhachevsky". specifically - WHAT IS HE ACCUSED FOR? WHAT IS 10 YEARS FOR? I personally know that Korolev sat down for (relatively speaking) misuse of budget funds. he was told, SUCH (what he could do at that time) the Red Army rocket is not needed. all! do something else. at that time, the country did not have the opportunity to do everything. about a war. it was necessary to solve current problems. but he did what was not asked for. the commission went to see, since it did all one thing. launched. the unguided rocket flew anywhere, and then towards the commission. did not kill anyone. thank God. that's why he sat down. Art for attempted life was canceled. left for embezzlement. in vain? may be. only here it is not necessary about false denunciations and illegal repressions.
    1. +3
      12 January 2017 16: 58
      Understood - the perpetrator of the false denunciation was punished, Korolev - released
    2. 0
      12 January 2017 22: 27
      Quote: 135lm
      he was told- SUCH (which he could have done at that time) the red army missile is not needed. all! do other things. at that time the country did not have the opportunity to do everything in a row.

      in the same way, many weapons models were developed on an initiative basis, a striking example of the Su-25 attack aircraft. Is his constructor also planted?
      1. +2
        13 January 2017 06: 53
        Quote: veteran66

        in the same way, many weapons models were developed on an initiative basis, a striking example of the Su-25 attack aircraft. Is his constructor also planted?

        1. Korolev, as is now accepted by some, was "helped" to sit down by another designer - A. Kostikov, who wrote denunciations against both Kleimenov and Langemak and Glushko. The main line of denunciation is to create an emphasis on errors in design and testing and pass them off as sabotage. They imprisoned the aforementioned ones under Yezhov, Langemak and Kleimenov, and managed to shoot them. Then Beria and his comrades came to the conclusion that working in a "sharashka" has a positive effect on the mindset of designers. We did not live at that time - it is difficult to defend or accuse the country's leadership, not knowing all the subtleties of that time.
        2. If the Su-25 was developed at the expense of the funds earned by the Design Bureau, there is no problem. If it was developed at the expense of funds allocated, say, to SU-27, all over the world this is called misuse of financial resources and is punishable depending on the degree of carnivore of the state.
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          13 January 2017 08: 39
          Quote: Moore
          If the Su-25 was developed at the expense of earned KB funds

          Well, this is unlikely, a socialist economy, and even in military production, whence commerce, hard budgeting.
          Quote: Moore
          We did not live at that time - it’s hard to defend or blame the country's leadership, not knowing all the intricacies of that time.
          So we didn’t live under Hitler with his henchmen. Do not blame them either?
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            13 January 2017 09: 16
            Quote: veteran66

            Well, this is unlikely, a socialist economy, and even in military production, where does commerce come from, tight budgeting
            .
            What does commerce have to do with it? Do you think organizations with a socialist form of economy worked for nothing? Money for the work performed was credited to the account of the enterprise. Spent according to the program approved by the highest authority. If it was possible, as in the case of SU-25, to convince the superior of the need for such studies (without an order from the Ministry of Defense), this was called the initiative order.
            Quote: veteran66
            So we didn’t live under Hitler with his henchmen. Do not blame them either?

            Stalin and Hitler are identical for you? Then you to the Baltic and Ukrainian historians.
            1. 0
              13 January 2017 10: 11
              Quote: Moore
              Stalin and Hitler are identical for you? Then you to the Baltic and Ukrainian historians.

              I identically the time of their stay in power (in this case) Kommunyak just to stick a label.
              Quote: Moore
              case of SU-25 to convince the superior of the need for such studies

              judging by the information presented in the film about the Su-25, it was developed explicitly.
              Quote: Moore
              Money for the work performed was credited to the account of the enterprise. Spent according to the program approved by the highest authority.

              so this is budgeting, and not commerce; it was not the companies producing it that engaged in the sale of weapons, but government agencies.
              1. 0
                13 January 2017 11: 43
                Quote: veteran66

                so this is budgeting, and not commerce; it was not the companies producing it that engaged in the sale of weapons, but government agencies.

                A. Trying to explain.
                1. What does the sale have to do with it? The design bureau was engaged in designing, for this money was transferred to his account.
                2. By agreement with the "top" they could be spent, for example, on computers, bonuses, pioneer camp. But, having calculated the workload of employees, the money earned, as agreed, was spent on the design of a new model of weapons and military equipment. Keyword - by agreement.
                3. I have no doubt that after successful tests the Design Bureau transferred funds due to the account.
                B. "Kommunyaks" of Stalin and Beria can be considered only by a person who knows the sacred truth: how in those conditions (in which he did not live, by the way) to solve all problems without incarceration, force pressure, rabid voluntarism.
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                  14 January 2017 21: 06
                  Quote: Moore
                  By agreement with the "top" they could be spent, for example, on computers, bonuses, a pioneer camp. But, having calculated the workload of the employees, the money earned, as agreed, was spent on the design of a new model of military equipment.

                  I don’t want to make a bastard on this topic, but the key word about the development of the Su-25 was “on the initiative” and “without prior arrangement”, ie there was no agreement. Second, it will not be earned, but assigned according to the articles ahead, and, judging by your own words, there is a misuse of funds. I repeat, the budget is assigned according to the items: for trips to the camp, on a computer, on paper, and you can’t spend, although within the limits of the assigned amounts, but for other purposes.
      2. 0
        13 January 2017 10: 04
        Moore answered you on SS25. something was developed and it was proactive. but nuance - Korolev did not create a working sample. on my own I will add, vague wordings: illegal repressions, sabotage (with a subliminal meaning, haha, what a stupid word), false denunciation, and so on. do you know why Rokossovsky was arrested? chichas eta is called "criminal negligence resulting in the death of one or more people." and the death of entrusted material assets (probably, I cannot say how exactly the death of cavalry horses sounds among lawyers). Well, something like this. but he was not a spy. but he was arrested for a specific emergency in the division loyal to him.
        1. 0
          13 January 2017 10: 14
          Quote: 135lm
          but was arrested for a specific emergency in a division loyal to him.

          may be so, but this was the reason for the accusation of espionage and conspiracy, and the interrogations were "biased" about the extradition of members of the conspiracy and other spies, and since this was not true, therefore, false. And he received a term disproportionate to the death of horses. By the way, where can I get material about this emergency?
          1. 0
            13 January 2017 11: 02
            several soldiers died, not just horses. he did not receive a disproportionate time limit. released by Beria. an emergency happened in the 37th. that's why they added additional charges. I have not argued that this is correct. but he got there through his own fault. and after the death of the leader, he did not go to the accuser. material on the state of affairs was in the bookmarks. but the browser glitched. alas, bookmarks das ist kaput. briefly, I can-brought on alarm (training) his cavalry division (ZabVO) in the "fields". and either did not ask for, or ignored the weather report about the worsening weather. (Transbaikalia - the weather can abruptly change from warm to full oak). without intent, most likely a Russian maybe and cavalry daring. and first heavy rain, then a sharp cold snap. the soldiers caught a cold, several people died of pneumonia. horses are the same. Well, on the ice, how many horses broke their legs, I had to shoot. kav. horses are not cheap. which in the 37th could also be regarded not in favor of Rokossovsky. Well, it was not negligence that was sewn, but politics and espionage.
            1. 0
              13 January 2017 11: 40
              Quote: 135lm
              disproportionate period he did not receive. released by Beria.

              yes, I turned down about the term, confused it with another, I admit, but I found about the reason for the arrest
              In August 1937, Rokossovsky went to Leningrad, where he was arrested on charges of having connections with Polish and Japanese intelligence, falling victim to false testimonies.
              and for this they were given executions, well, at least 25 years in the camps. He was "lucky", while the evidence was knocked out of him, other "accomplices" who had given confessions in this case were shot and while they were "getting" new evidence against R., Beria intervened in the case.
              1. 0
                13 January 2017 22: 51
                Yes exactly. accused of being a spy. communication with the Japanese (ZabVO not far from the samurai in Manchuria) and Polish (he is a Pole) intelligence. but as an argument, the very emergency. they say ditched intentionally. tried to sabotage. so for the emergency itself, he might not have been punished. would write off everything. but the situation in the country was tense. and yes, the emergency happened at the end of the summer. therefore, probably in August, he came into view and was arrested. Well, the denunciation must at least be based on something? in those parts at this time such natural phenomena occur: today is the beach season, and tomorrow it may snow. and with the investigation he was "lucky". to the wall did not have time. although you know. introduce yourself for a second. and a person close to you dies in the army for this reason. After all, honestly, would you like to shoot such a general? yes everyone would be willing. thank God that this did not happen. and maybe that's why the same thing, feeling guilty about himself, he did not get angry at Stalin. like some, including the "unrepressed"
          2. 0
            13 January 2017 11: 38
            I'm not like Gleb Yegorych, there is no punishment without guilt. it happens. but on these occasions the fault was. not qualified correctly. It's just that these formulations about "innocence" have already gotten out. walked collecting daisies - bang! accused sho shpiyon. you know, one of them wrote that his grandfather was an unlawfully repressed honest person. It turns out that the grandfather (party member) at a meeting on the organization of a collective farm in the village said that the collective farms were untimely and was arrested. Well, not a fig for myself!))) the peasants gathered, they are told "we need a collective farm" (we will not discuss the current pralna / nepralna with the collective farms of the entimi) suddenly a Bolshevik (not an ordinary peasant!) gets up and sends (in fact) the decision of his party to hell. in front of fellow villagers, who should act now, since the communist himself agitates them against the collective farm? and how was the party supposed to react? order to give?))) Yes, cruel time. he is your (his) grandfather not enrolled in the ikebana club, when he began to say such things in such a place with his head, or is that all? By the way, the above-mentioned character went crazy in the detention center. maybe he had problems and started earlier? but at the meeting just an aggravation happened.
        2. 0
          13 January 2017 10: 17
          Quote: 135lm
          Korolev did not create a working model.

          the sample then worked, only, as they say now, in an emergency mode. Apparently, he was still fit, but Korolev was not so stupid, inviting the commission to test the obviously unfit rocket.
          Quote: 135lm
          Moore answered you on SU25. something was developed and was proactively
          you see, again, judging by that film, the whole plane was developed on an initiative basis, since the then leadership of the Moscow Region excluded the presence of attack aircraft as a class in the country's air force, considering it to be a replacement for helicopters and fighter-bombers.
          1. 0
            13 January 2017 11: 11
            no, not stupid. yes, something else has not gone, not ready. work, as time has shown, is really necessary. it’s just the point that the military said that such a ballistic missile (30km radius, uncontrolled) they do not need at all. with such a missile, only large settlements could be hollowed out haphazardly. and only in the immediate vicinity of the front. the rocket will fall anywhere. and not humanely, and not cheap (easier from guns), and the military effect is somehow not obvious. so this test model also flew towards uncles with big stars.
            1. 0
              13 January 2017 11: 43
              Quote: 135lm
              it’s just the point that the military said that such a ballistic missile (30km radius, uncontrolled) they do not need at all.

              about the Su-25, the military said the same, in the sense: "Not needed." Practice has shown that the opinions were wrong
              1. 0
                13 January 2017 22: 38
                Su25 turned out? the rocket did NOT work. and the initially declared char-ki were NOT needed. catch the difference? you can say for what purpose you need an uncontrolled rocket flying 30km and having a charge like heels of shells. but costs several orders of magnitude more? no need for future prospects. I'm talking about here and chichas.
                1. 0
                  14 January 2017 21: 12
                  Quote: 135lm
                  but costs several orders of magnitude more?

                  but why did you decide that the rocket is expensive? At that time (without navigation equipment) it was cheap, the same shell, only more gunpowder. But an expensive gun is not needed.
                  Quote: 135lm
                  Su25 turned out?

                  He, too, did not immediately fly, they were finalizing it. It’s just that more sensible people got into the commission.
                  1. 0
                    14 January 2017 23: 15
                    What does Su25 not immediately flew? made a plane, but he didn’t fly, buzzed on the ground?))) damn, what are we going around in a circle? if the gun fires more precisely WHY SUCH a rocket? he tth designated in advance. I didn’t like the military. AT THIS moment SUCH a rocket was NOT NEEDED. what can be fired with such a rocket? that missile couldn’t be used for military purposes. in perspective, yes. but not at that moment. and under it you need to create a NEW production. to deal with it just was not possible. and he was told NO. he did, she flew in absolutely abnormal mode. all.
                    1. 0
                      15 January 2017 09: 08
                      Quote: 135lm
                      What does Su25 not immediately flew? made a plane, but he didn’t fly, buzzed on the ground?)))

                      what a habit of throwing oneself to extremes, didn’t fly, that doesn’t mean it didn’t take off the ground. The same rocket, only with a greater range, for some reason it was useful to the Germans, and then ours.
                      Quote: 135lm
                      SUCH a rocket was NOT NEEDED.

                      according to the then leadership of the Air Force, the attack aircraft as a class was not needed. At one time, cybernetics was also declared a bourgeois science, which is not needed, so what? Brilliant inventors, as a rule, always came up with something that "is not necessary"
  12. +3
    12 January 2017 16: 44
    First of all, a brilliant leader. organizer. coordinator of a huge scientific and technical complex. Only at that time could it be that an unrighteous person convicted of mugging did not just go free, but with the rank of colonel engineer, in a high position and with practically unlimited powers.
    1. 0
      12 January 2017 22: 29
      Quote: RoTTor
      Only at that time could it be that the unrighteous convicted person didn’t just go out

      well, yes, it’s only worth adding that only at that time they could unjustly condemn and shoot, and then rehabilitate. Korolev was just lucky and the country with him.
  13. +3
    12 January 2017 16: 47
    He has not yet been declared a Ukrainian scientist and constructor? So they will certainly announce ...
  14. +2
    12 January 2017 20: 26
    Quote: EvgNik
    Quote: Old26
    Korolev’s largest product is the N-1 carrier.

    I wrote what I heard. It was N-1, and it was said that it was this rocket to Mars that was ready for launch. Guilty, did not check the information. I believe you, I will try to prevent such mistakes.

    Evgeny Nikolaevich, there is nothing wrong with such a mistake. Alas, the death of Sergei Pavlovich led to the fact that this "machine" remained unfinished. I don’t like to talk about what could have been, or what could not, but IMHO, if Korolev stayed alive, the carrier would have been driven. Despite the many disadvantages of the design itself. It's not about that
    Korolev looked a step or two ahead (and the step was at least 10 years). The projects of people from his design bureau were quite developed, despite the fact that these were only projects.
    Well, N-1 - alas, it did not become what it could be. Did not become a Soviet lunar rocket.

    Quote: sdv68
    You better try to name which of the first main rocket launchers was sitting (except for Korolev and Glushko).

    And from the first galaxy only they remained. All the others either just got on their feet, or did not work at all in the missile field. There were two pure rocket launchers - Korolev and Glushko. All the rest did not deal directly with rocketry in those years
    1. 0
      13 January 2017 09: 09
      All the rest did not deal directly with rocketry in those years
      What are you saying? But Chelomei, Makeev, and others involved in the creation of rockets (the same Chertok, Barmin ...) ????
  15. +2
    13 January 2017 12: 56
    [b] Veteran66 [/ b]

    You're the type when you bite your tongue about "commie." I was not in the party. But it freaks me out. The whole country was created from and to the very “commies”. Stalin, Zhukov is also one of them.
    Three and a half million with party tickets lie in mass graves from the Volga to Berlin. Gagarin, Korolev, Kurchatov were convinced "commies." And millions of other people who created a great country.
    1. 0
      15 January 2017 20: 26
      Quote: pussamussa
      You're the type when you bite your tongue about "commie."

      when you understand that Stalin, Zhukov and their associates (party functionaries) are commies, and those
      Quote: pussamussa
      Three and a half million with party tickets lie in mass graves from the Volga to Berlin.

      These are members of the Communist Party.
      these commies just loved to hide their failures in management behind the words about the mass heroism of ordinary Soviet people.
      1. +1
        16 January 2017 09: 57
        And what do you have against Stalin, Zhukov and other "party functionaries". It was the vertical of power, under whose leadership a great country was created and the fascist plague was destroyed. Your ideology is the ideology of the Vlasovites and the maces during the war.
        1. 0
          16 January 2017 11: 18
          Firstly, do not poke, I did not drink and are not going to brudershaft with you, and secondly,
          Quote: pussamussa
          Your ideology is the ideology of Vlasovites and Palitsaev during the war years.

          I did not intend and do not intend to fight with my people, unlike commies.
          1. 0
            16 January 2017 11: 44
            Please answer my question.
          2. +1
            16 January 2017 11: 53
            The term "commies" in the twenties used white-bandits and fist. Then the term was used by shit when they destroyed the country and derailed it. They successfully destroyed the country and disappeared. And this term loss of meaning and meaning. But sometimes this word can be heard from people, as a rule, dense and uncultured. They sometimes, due to their dullness and nearness, sometimes splash out all sorts of similar words from themselves like garbage.
            1. 0
              16 January 2017 14: 07
              Quote: pussamussa
              in the twenties used white bandits and fist.

              by the way, too, the Russian people, in turn, they called the Reds a gang and boors, so whose rating should I use?
              Quote: pussamussa
              Then the term was used by shit when they destroyed the country and derailed it.

              but it’s just that they are the most inveterate commies: Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Gaidar (ml), Chubais .... to list for a long time, but they held the highest posts, will they also be protected?
              Quote: pussamussa
              But sometimes this word can be heard from people usually dense

              well, it is clear, where do I have to "literate and educated", who makes four mistakes in the word "shower")))
  16. +1
    13 January 2017 19: 22
    Quote: sdv68
    What are you saying? But Chelomei, Makeev, and others involved in the creation of rockets (the same Chertok, Barmin ...) ????

    Or maybe before you resent it would be worth teaching materiel? I wrote in Russian.

    Quote: Old26
    And from the first galaxy only they remained. All the others either just got on their feet, or did not work at all in the missile field. There were two pure rocket launchers - Korolev and Glushko. All the rest did not deal directly with rocketry in those years


    What's not clear? If you want - let's analyze
    1. Chelomei. In 1937 he graduated from the Kiev Aviation Institute, where he remained to work as a teacher.
    2. Barmin. Since 1940, the chief designer of the Compressor plant, where, a few days after the start of the war, they began to produce BU BM-8 and BM-13
    3. Babakin. Until 1949, he was engaged in radar and only with 49 - rocketry
    4. Isaev. Since 1934 in Aviation. Since 1940 he was engaged in the engine for the BI-1 aircraft
    5. Makeev. Since 1947, in parallel with his studies, he began working at the Design Bureau. which was engaged in the development and production of the R-11 rocket. Chief Designer since 1955.
    6. Pilyugin. From 1934 to 1946 he worked at the TsAGI Flight Testing Institute and only from 1946 began to study ACS for rocketry
    7. Ryazan. He was engaged in special radio broadcasting (radio broadcasting), radio control of tanks, torpedo boats, aircraft
    8. Chertok. Until 1945 he worked at the Bolkhovitinov Design Bureau
    9. Yangel. He graduated from the Moscow Aviation Institute in 1937. worked in Polikarpov Design Bureau.

    And who among them in the 30s, except for Korolev and Glushko, was engaged in purely rocketry? Maybe, before getting outraged, it would be worth reading at least the biographies of people for whom you "stand up"?
  17. 0
    14 January 2017 04: 23
    GREAT RUSSIAN MAN !!! AND HIM A GREAT BOW !!!!!!
  18. +1
    15 January 2017 18: 07
    Quote: pussamussa
    And millions of other people who created a great country.

    And then 16 million members of the CPSU did not move their finger for a great country. Probably tired of being at the forefront ...
    1. 0
      16 January 2017 10: 24
      The people were completely baffled and disoriented. Everyone believed the hunchback and Yeltsin, who betrayed the country and people.
      1. 0
        16 January 2017 11: 20
        Quote: pussamussa
        The people were completely baffled and disoriented. Everyone believed

        in, just like during the October Revolution.
        1. 0
          16 January 2017 11: 55
          First, please answer the question.
          1. 0
            16 January 2017 14: 02
            Quote: pussamussa
            First, please answer the question.

            which one?
            Quote: pussamussa
            The people were completely baffled and disoriented. Everyone believed the hunchback and Yeltsin, who betrayed the country and people.

            like there are no question marks.
            1. 0
              16 January 2017 14: 43
              Question: what do you have against Stalin, Zhukov and the entire vertical of power? Why is the vertical of power "commies", ordinary members?
              1. 0
                16 January 2017 15: 01
                In short and in general, then: the shameful Brest peace; millions of victims in the civilian period, during the period of building socialism from the 22nd to the 53rd, during the Great Patriotic War and, ultimately, the collapse of the country (not the state, our ancestors collapsed, too).
                Quote: pussamussa
                Why is the vertical of power "commies", ordinary members?
                what is this about?
  19. 0
    16 January 2017 12: 18
    Quote: veteran66
    I did not intend and do not intend to fight with my people, unlike commies.


    To be a Vlasovite does not mean to go with a rifle to an advantage against your people. The ideological Vlasovites are much worse and bring a hundred times more damage.
    1. 0
      16 January 2017 14: 00
      Quote: pussamussa
      To be a Vlasovite does not mean to go with a rifle to an advantage against your people. Ideological Vlasovites

      Excuse me, are you talking about the people or the commies?
      1. 0
        16 January 2017 14: 48
        Vlasovets remains with his own. You can’t remake the Vlasovites.
  20. 0
    16 January 2017 14: 46
    Quote: veteran66
    by the way, too, the Russian people, in turn, they called the Reds a gang and boors

    That is exactly what the Vlasovites said, which justified their cooperation with the Nazis.
    1. 0
      16 January 2017 14: 54
      Quote: pussamussa
      That is exactly what the Vlasovites said, which justified their cooperation with the Nazis.

      Quote: pussamussa
      Vlasovets remains with his own.

      Yes, there are no arguments, time proved the helplessness of the commies and you can’t argue against the facts)))) By the way, Vlasov (definitely a traitor), during the war with the Germans, urged the Russian people to go against the communists (government), at one time a certain Ulyanov, nicknamed Lenin, also invited the people during the war with the Germans to turn bayonets against the king. Well, what is the difference between the two?
      1. 0
        16 January 2017 15: 19
        Yes, there are no arguments, time has proven the helplessness of the commies and no arguing against the facts)))) By the way, Vlasov (definitely a traitor), during the war with the Germans, urged the Russian people to go against the communists (government),

        Vlasov is a traitor and your colleague and spiritual brother.
        1. 0
          16 January 2017 15: 38
          Quote: pussamussa
          Vlasov is a traitor and your colleague and spiritual brother.

          besides repetition, and other people's posts, and their expressions there is nothing to answer? I understand you, it’s hard to say on white that it is black.
  21. 0
    16 January 2017 14: 56
    Quote: veteran66
    where do I care about "literate and educated", who makes four mistakes in the word "shower")))


    I kind of said nothing about the shower. These are hallucinations. Need urgent hospitalization. There you take a shower.
    1. 0
      16 January 2017 15: 36
      Quote: pussamussa
      I kind of said nothing about the shower. These are hallucinations.

      it's called "turned on the fool" or really tight with the allegory, so it's not cured.
      1. 0
        16 January 2017 15: 39
        Vlasovism is definitely not being treated.
        1. 0
          16 January 2017 15: 42
          Quote: pussamussa
          Vlasovism is definitely not being treated

          I agree, "Lenin is still more alive than all the living!" he was a traitor steeper than Vlasov, he had not been knocked out of the commies in 100 years. Only about Vlasov is not for me.
  22. 0
    16 January 2017 15: 04
    Quote: pussamussa
    You can’t remake the Vlasovites.

    I answered the question, your turn.
    Quote: veteran66
    Quote: pussamussa
    To be a Vlasovite does not mean to go with a rifle to an advantage against your people. Ideological Vlasovites
    Excuse me, are you talking about the people or the commies?
  23. 0
    16 January 2017 15: 22
    Quote: veteran66
    Excuse me, are you talking about the people or the commies?



    The Soviet people, both party and non-party, were united. I remember that time of those people and my all ancestors and I say that it was. Therefore, it is not clear what you have against the Soviet people?
    1. 0
      16 January 2017 15: 32
      Quote: pussamussa
      What do you have against the Soviet people?

      again these methods of the ideologists of the CPSU
      Quote: pussamussa
      The Soviet people, both party and non-party, were united.
      Again, these agitation and slogans. Up to the 91st year, a civil war to one degree or another continued until the commies were thrown off the throne.
      1. 0
        16 January 2017 15: 44
        You did not take off the commies from the throne, because you yourself admitted that Yeltsin, Gorby, Chubais, Gaidar are commies. So here they are and their colleagues on the throne. In the ninety-first, people like you destroyed a thousand-year-old country. You can’t restore it.
        1. 0
          16 January 2017 16: 09
          Quote: pussamussa
          In the ninety-first, people like you destroyed a thousand-year-old country.

          You are mistaken, a thousand-year-old country was destroyed in 1917
          Quote: pussamussa
          You did not take off the commies from the throne, because you yourself admitted that Yeltsin, Gorby, Chubais, Gaidar are commies.

          You are right, the commies remained at the trough, but I meant their legitimate power - the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, its "leading and guiding role"
  24. 0
    16 January 2017 16: 05
    Veteran 666

    There was such a terribly cool dissident, anti-Soviet Zinoviev. When the country was ruined in the ninety-first, he immediately received his sight. His words: “they marked in communism, but came to Russia.” He changed one hundred and eighty degrees, became an ardent supporter of the Communists and Soviet power. He began to write penitential articles, mourn the ruined country, repented to the end of his days and sprinkled ashes on his head, trying to make amends to his once anti-Sovietism. But the man was outstanding.
    Philosopher, writer, mathematician. Could be a role model like you.
    1. 0
      16 January 2017 16: 11
      Quote: pussamussa
      There was such a terribly cool dissident, anti-Soviet Zinoviev.

      There was no less cool communist Volkogonov, on his textbooks in military schools more than one generation of officers was brought up, so he also "saw the light", so what? I do not take an example from repainted (this also applies to the topic about Vlasov)
  25. 0
    16 January 2017 16: 30
    Quote: pussamussa
    In the ninety-first, people like you destroyed a thousand-year-old country.

    In 91 I served in the army and I had no time to shout slogans in the squares, and who destroyed it, it was people like you, because having thrust your tongue into one place, you watched it on TV. And I have nothing to poke around, that's why, if not an adherent of the sect of witnesses of communism, so certainly a boor, is it in the blood. As the Sharikovs and Shvonders came to power at the beginning of the last century, they were "ball-shaped" and remained in the 21st century.
    1. 0
      16 January 2017 17: 11
      Veteran 666
      Neither I nor my parents came to power, and they have nothing to do with ball and shvondery.
      In the ninety-first speak in the army served. Looks are not served enough. Such should be twenty-five years, as under the king, to drive in the rank and file, you look, and became more sensible. Nothing, someday you will see clearly, like Zinoviev. Maybe you will repent. After all, he is in advanced age
      realized his errors, so that you have everything ahead.
  26. +1
    17 January 2017 09: 27
    [quote = veteran66] There was no less cool communist Volkogonov, on his textbooks in military schools more than one generation of officers was brought up, so he also "saw the light", so what? I do not take an example from repainted.
    Why compare God's gift with fried eggs. Volkogonov was simply a mediocre insignificance, a lackey, ready to fulfill any order of any owners for thirty pieces of silver. It was an ordinary, opportunist. Zinoviev was a wealthy man, thanks to his talents and was not sold to anyone. At first he professed some beliefs, but in the ninety-first he realized that his beliefs were false and changed one hundred and eighty degrees.
  27. +1
    17 January 2017 11: 26
    Quote: veteran66
    You are mistaken, a thousand-year-old country was destroyed in 1917


    In 1917, the country was preserved and kept from complete disintegration and disintegration and occupation by "Western partners".