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Kadyrov cursed Stalin

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The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, through his post, as they say in online communities, tore the blogosphere and the entire Runet. We are talking about comments on the 60th anniversary of the events when, after deportation, the Chechens began to return to their historical Homeland. In Grozny, commemorative events are held to coincide with this date, which for the Chechens is both mournful (due to the fact that not all have returned) and joyful.


The head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, also participates in the events. Deciding to express himself also in social networks, Kadyrov made an entry on Instagram, in which he cursed Joseph Stalin for the deportation of the Chechen people. The record, which has already managed to make a lot of noise, looks like this:

Our ancestors faced inhuman tests, but showed miracles of perseverance and courage. After the horrors of the deportation, they found the strength to live and build on their native land. Joseph Stalin led the Chechen and other peoples to the edge of the abyss. Be he forever damned!


Kadyrov cursed Stalin


After this note, some Web users expressed admiration for the statement of the head of the Chechen Republic, others cursed Kadyrov himself for his words to Joseph Stalin.

By and large, such a separation of opinions and such a harsh reaction speaks only about one thing: society is still very far from consensus on historical issues and views on the history of the Fatherland.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 10 January 2017 16: 46
    +158
    Something he began to forget .. He completely forgot the story, or most likely did not teach.
    1. Vitalson
      Vitalson 10 January 2017 16: 52
      +78
      I think he knows the story, they began to forget about him, he didn’t shine for a long time and came up with this provocation and at the same time straddled the wave of general spitting on the Soviet past, well, of course, it was flattering for the Chechens to hear this, or you can see it against the background of reduced handouts from the Ramzan’s Kremlin local elders will plant on pitchforks.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 10 January 2017 16: 59
        +108
        But I doubt very much that he ever knew history .. Otherwise, he would not say anything in a rag .. Or remind him who organized gangs in Chechen-Ingushetia during the Second World War, and about everything else connected with the collaborators?
        Quote: Vitalson
        I think he knows the story, they began to forget about him, he didn’t shine for a long time and came up with this provocation and at the same time straddled the wave of general spitting on the Soviet past, well, of course, it was flattering for the Chechens to hear this, or you can see it against the background of reduced handouts from the Ramzan’s Kremlin local elders will plant on pitchforks.
        1. cniza
          cniza 10 January 2017 17: 06
          +34
          I didn’t want to write anything, but I couldn’t bear it - you can’t evaluate politicians - leaders earlier than in a hundred years, or even more, otherwise it can lead to bad consequences.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 10 January 2017 17: 26
            +104
            In vain Kadyrov is so about Stalin!
            First, if the USSR, under the leadership of Stalin had not won the Second World War, there would have been no Chechnya today.
            Secondly, Kadyrov’s statement says that he doesn’t know the history well and acts as a Chechen nationalist.
            In Russia, both during Nicholas II during WWI and under Stalin during WWII - unlike other countries of the world - the unreliable ethnic population was never deported to the rear of the country, but was destroyed on the ground in counterattack camps.
            Stalin was not at all to blame for the fact that the Chechens were ethnically unreliable in the Soviet Union and partially sided with the German invaders.
            The same thing happened with the Germans. They were also deported from the border areas of the USSR with the enemy to the rear of the country. The Germans were also unhappy.

            It is wrong for Kadyrov to speculate on a nationalist plane in the historical rehabilitation of the Chechen people. It turns out that in vain the Chechens were rehabilitated after the war. Against their background, as well as against the background of the Crimean Tatars, and Soviet Germans also require rehabilitation, but after all, the Soviet Volksdeutsche — and this is proved — served in the SS forces.
            See Ponomarenko R.O. Soviet Germans and other Volksdeutsche in the SS troops. Roman Ponomarenko. - M .: Yauza-press, 2014 .-- 256 p. (Victory at all costs. The bitter truth about the Great Patriotic War.)

            It is a pity that scientific research and historical information about these things, on the contrary, have long been hidden by the Soviet government from the people. And now, here, we are reaping the fruits of nationalism from deported peoples. The historical memory of ordinary people and nationalists of small nations is very short.
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 10 January 2017 18: 13
              +12
              Quote: Tatiana
              Soviet Germans and other Volksdeutsche in the SS troops

              There were Soviet Russians in the SS troops
              29th Grenadier Division of the SS Army (1st Russian)

              Tatyana You stand on unsteady ground.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 10 January 2017 20: 10
                +17
                Do not speculate on Stalin. Ungrateful business ... This is an integral part of history ...
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 11 January 2017 10: 44
                  +5
                  Kadyrov cursed Stalin? Well ...... the dog barks, the caravan goes on.
              2. Tatyana
                Tatyana 10 January 2017 20: 11
                +13
                saturn.mmm
                There were Soviet Russians in the SS troops
                29th Grenadier Division of the SS Army (1st Russian)

                Firstly. This division - together with their families - amounted to 30 thousand people.
                Second.
                Tatyana You stand on unsteady ground.

                No, it’s you, Mikhail, who do not demagogically agree.
                Of course, there were absolutely no “clean” nationalities and peoples during the Second World War. But the question is about the extent of the manifestation of national COLLABORATIONISM (cooperation with the invaders) among different peoples of the USSR. Namely, for example.
                What% of ethnic Russian traitors in this 1st Russian division of the SS troops (and there were NOT ONLY ethical Russians) amounted to the total number of RUSSIAN people in the country, the number of which before the war in the USSR was something about 180 million people?
                Answer. Those. 30 thousand / 180 mln. = Less than 0,016%.
                In Chechnya, the scale of COLLABORATION among the Chechen people amounted to TENS% of the number of the Chechen people. Moreover, those Chechens who defended their Soviet homeland and their families were not deported anywhere! They remained in Chechnya. Only those who were about to go over to the side of the enemy and collaborate with the Nazis were deported.

                Collaborationism. 卍 RONA Russian division SS 卐 (improved version). Posted Apr 26 2014 year
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 10 January 2017 23: 20
                  +8
                  Dear forum users! I apologize for the distorted wording of the text that I just noticed in my comment on 1.01.2016/17/26 from XNUMX:XNUMX!
                  I wrote everything correctly, but for some reason it was not a complete phrase, but with abbreviations - and I got a semantic typo - it's the other way around. Something today I don’t have any speed on this “VO” page - for some reason my computer is working very slowly - apparently the user load is large. I have not been able to make this correction comment for several hours.
                  In general, I wrote the following and should be written like this:

                  In Russia, both during Nicholas II during the WWII and under Stalin during the Second World War, the unreliable ethnic population was precisely deported - unlike other countries in the world where the unreliable ethnic population was never deported to the rear, but was destroyed on the ground.

                  Well, the one in the subject understood everything, as I see from their comments, corrected correctly, despite the resulting typo. And to someone who is not in the subject, I report on how this phrase MUST be printed.
                  I hope that the members of the forum in “VO” are smart people and in vain they won’t “troll” me for this!
                  Once again, I apologize to everyone!
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 15 January 2017 10: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    In Russia, both during Nicholas II during the WWII and under Stalin during the Second World War, the unreliable ethnic population was precisely deported - unlike other countries in the world where the unreliable ethnic population was never deported to the rear, but was destroyed on the ground.

                    In the United States, Japanese citizens of the United States were not killed on the spot during World War II, but were moved to temporary camps.
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 15 January 2017 10: 33
                      0
                      And where in the USA did you find the border regions of the USA with Japan?
                      First, you have an atypical example. And secondly, even in this case, the United States took measures to isolate the American Japanese in the counter camps until the end of the war. Controlling camp is, moreover, not deportation - resettlement, as such.
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 15 January 2017 13: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        And where in the USA did you find the border regions of the USA with Japan?

                        What is the borderland here.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        And secondly, even in this case, the United States took measures to isolate the American Japanese in the counter camps until the end of the war.

                        It’s difficult to call these camps concentration camps. (By the way, you write counter-camps)
                        And unlike us, in 1948 the internee was paid partial compensation for the loss of property, but most of them could not fully compensate for the losses. In 1988, President Ronald Reagan signed a document apologizing on behalf of the US government for internment caused by "racial prejudice, military hysteria, and political leadership errors."
                    2. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 15 January 2017 19: 00
                      0
                      RUSS
                      And here is the borderland
                      Despite the fact that in the United States there were no world wars!
                      I am amazed at your biased anti-human logic!
                      In whose territory was WWII? In the USA? Or in the USSR?
                      Compare the human and material losses of the USA and the USSR!
                      What are you talking about ?! What kind of compensation in the USSR to deported peoples as potential collaborationists ?! The deportees all survived - they were not at the front !!! They were not resettled in counterattack camps, but they were supposed to work in the rear, like all citizens — under wartime laws. However, many of them sabotaged it in the rear! Engaged in theft and robbery. Why some of them were convicted! And who is to blame? Only them!
                      And at the same time you want the OTHER population of the country - the USSR - to win the war with 30 million people who died and innumerable people with disabilities and tens of millions of people left without any shelter at all in the territories where the enemy passed, something else there and COMPENSATED to potential national collaborators deported to the rear, as in the USA ?!
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 15 January 2017 19: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        I am amazed at your biased anti-human logic!

                        Well bent!
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        What kind of compensation in the USSR to deported peoples as potential collaborationists ?!

                        Well, firstly, does it mean potential, who determines how and by what criteria?
                        And secondly- In 1991, the Law on the Rehabilitation of Repressed Peoples was adopted, which recognized the deportation of peoples as “a policy of slander and genocide” (Article 2). Among other things, the law recognized the right of repressed peoples to restore the territorial integrity that existed before the unconstitutional policy of forcibly redrawing borders, to restore national-state formations that existed prior to their abolition, as well as to compensation for damage caused by the state.
                        And on September 24–2012, 23, deputies from United Russia submitted a bill to the State Duma on additional assistance to representatives of repressed peoples. The authors of the bill proposed to allocate 35 billion rubles from the federal budget to help political prisoners. According to the authors, this money should go to monthly payments and compensation for lost property in the amount of up to XNUMX thousand rubles.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        where the enemy went, something else there and COMPENSATED

                        Of course, compensation is necessary for especially repressed children!
                    3. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 15 January 2017 19: 38
                      +1
                      RUSS
                      Well, firstly, potential does this mean possible, who determines how and by what criteria?

                      Do not consider the then liberal people for idiots! For some reason, all the people did not deport the contract from the border regions! What are you building yourself from the naive ?!
                      Alexey RA January 10, 2017 19:25 ↑ ↓
                      The attitude of the Chechens and Ingush to the Soviet regime was clearly expressed in desertion and draft evasion in the Red Army.
                      At the first mobilization in August 1941, from 8000 people to be drafted, 719 people deserted.
                      In October 1941 of 4733, the 362 man evaded the draft.
                      In January 1942, when manning the national division, only 50 percent of the personnel were recruited.
                      In March 1942, out of 14 people deserted and evaded the service, 576 people who went into illegal situations, went to the mountains and joined the gangs.
                      In 1943, out of 3000 volunteers, the number of deserters was 1870.


                      As the front line approached in August - September 1942, 80 people of the CPSU (b), quit their jobs, fled, including 16 heads of district committees of the CPSU (b), 8 leading workers of district executive committees and 14 chairmen of collective farms
                      And this
                      And secondly- In 1991, the Law on the Rehabilitation of Repressed Peoples was adopted, which recognized the deportation of peoples as “a policy of slander and genocide” (Article 2).
                      you have from a similar Gorbachev "opera" about the recognition of the execution of Poles in Katyn by the NKVD.
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 16 January 2017 18: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        from a similar Gorbachev "opera"

                        This is no longer Gorbachev-
                        Condemning the long-standing terror and mass persecution of his people as incompatible with the idea of ​​law and justice, Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation expresses deep sympathy for the victims of unjustified repressions, their relatives and friends, declares a steady desire to seek real guarantees of the rule of law and human rights.
                        (as amended by the Law of the Russian Federation of 03.09.1993 N 5698-1, the Federal Law of 22.08.2004 N 122-ФЗ)
                    4. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 17 January 2017 21: 03
                      0
                      RUSS Yesterday, 18:14 ↑ ↓
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      from a similar Gorbachev "opera"
                      This is no longer Gorbachev-
                      Condemning the long-standing terror and mass persecution of its people as incompatible with the idea of ​​law and justice, the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation expresses its deep sympathy to the victims of unjustified repressions, their families and friends, declares a steady desire to seek real guarantees of the rule of law and human rights.
                      (as amended by the Law of the Russian Federation of 03.09.1993 N 5698-1, the Federal Law of 22.08.2004 N 122-ФЗ)
                      "Not Gorbachev" - say ?! It is the Gorbachev-Yeltsin streamlined liberal-“democratic” one!
                      Firstly, it’s strange that with your nickname “RUSS” you are not in the subject! And secondly, you have some kind of BLINDING on our Russian legislation in the sense of its actual objectivity on a national basis.
                      See the article “Russian refugees from Chechnya die without waiting for help” from 20/01/2014. Arbitrariness and corruption
                      http://shturmnews.info/content/russkie-bezhency-i
                      z-chechni-umirayut-ne-dozhdavshis-pomoshchi.html
                      Morris worm January 10, 2017 22:17 ↑ ↓
                      I advise you to read ....
                      https://topwar.ru/7613-vospominaniya-russkogo-rod
                      ivshegosya-i-vyrosshego-v-chechne.html
                      Grandadmiral 11 january 2017 11:00 ↓
                      If anyone thinks that the Chechens were innocently deported, then let him read:
                      http://www.perunica.ru/chechnia/5926-za-chto-depo
                      rtirovali-chechencev-i-ingushey.html

                      https://topwar.ru/3294-za-chto-i-stalin-nakazal-c
                      hechencev-i-ingushej.html

                      https://topwar.ru/97336-liniya-mannergeyma-proleg
                      la-po-istorii-strany-za-opravdaniya-deystviy-verh
                      ovnogo-glavnokomanduyuschego-budut-sudit.html? utm
                      _source = topwar.ru & utm_medium = widget & utm_campaign =
                      relap & utm_content = standard_widget

                      You can also read the book by the historian I. Pykhalov: "Why Stalin resettled peoples." Iosif Vissarionovich did the right thing.

                      And this is about the Russian genocide in the Chechen wars:
                      http://zvezda.ru/politics/2006/10/13/genocide_1.h
                      tm # 13
                      http://www.zvezda.ru/politics/2006/10/20/genocide
                      _2.htm
                      http://www.realisti.ru/main/kavkazci/o_pervoy_che
                      chenskoy_i_russkom_charactere.htm
                      There is no Stalin on them.
              3. avia1991
                avia1991 10 January 2017 22: 47
                +12
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Soviet Russians

                and how about Soviet Belarusians?
                Actually, it’s not about who had traitors, but who didn’t have them - there were different kinds of people in every nation, which is already there .. The thing is that Kadyrov himself being the head of the republic (with very doubtful past), behaves like an offended child who was cracked in a fight, and thrown into the gateway so as not to suffer, and not get in the way. Who won the war, thanks to whom, including the USSR, managed to create an industrial base, military equipment, whose will kept many of our enemies in fear for many years - this Kadyrov seems unable to understand or appreciate. He only cares about his own insult .. and at the same time he does not care about Crimean Tatars, Volga Germans, etc. YES NEVER IN THOSE DAYS DECIDED WHO IS RIGHT, WHO IS GUILT! Some betrayed, others supported, still others were silent. And if so, get it!
                This is how the folk wisdom comes to mind: "No matter how much wolf you feed ..." Dudaev was somehow quickly forgotten .. how he leaked our secrets to the "spirits" in Afghanistan is documented. And when he yelled about independent Ichkeria - what, the Chechens did not support him ???
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 10 January 2017 18: 54
              +8
              Quote: Tatiana
              In Russia and under Nicholas II during WWI, and under Stalin during WWII - unlike other countries of the world - unreliable ethnic the population was never deported to the rear of the country, and destroyed on the ground in counterattack camps.


              What is it?! Horror....
              Quote: Tatiana
              the Chechens turned out ethnically unreliable


              "Ethnically unreliable" .... WHAT is this, if not Nazism in its purest form?
              1. Normal ok
                Normal ok 10 January 2017 19: 20
                +8
                Quote: Olgovich
                "Ethnically unreliable" .... WHAT is this, if not Nazism in its purest form?

                Nazism is when the same is claimed in other countries, for example, in Ukraine. And in Russia, this is historical justice ((
            3. Russian Moldavian
              Russian Moldavian 10 January 2017 19: 35
              +11
              In the Soviet Moldavia there was not a single traitor who would have fought for the fascists, all died for the USSR (although they could have been differently like in Lviv, etc.), and now their grandchildren and children are Russians (I don’t write Russians because Russian Man will never insult the Soviet Man) call Moldavians -plitaries, mothers of little ones, gypsies and even Romanians
              request ,
              1. Donhapa
                Donhapa 10 January 2017 20: 09
                +10
                Quote: Russian Moldovans
                In the Soviet Moldavia there was not a single traitor who would have fought for the fascists, all died for the USSR (although they could have been differently like in Lviv, etc.), and now their grandchildren and children are Russians (I don’t write Russians because Russian Man will never insult the Soviet Man) call Moldavians -plitaries, mothers of little ones, gypsies and even Romanians
                request ,

                It is beneficial for someone to pit peoples. On this they have their own gesheft
                1. Russian Moldavian
                  Russian Moldavian 10 January 2017 20: 28
                  +7
                  It is beneficial for someone to pit peoples. On this they have their own gesheft [/ quote]

                  All this happens here on the site, they do not play off, it smells of "amerokoy" exclusivity, all other peoples of the USSR are lumps (Uzbeks, Tajiks, Azerbaijanis, Armenians),
                  dill and bulbash (Ukrainians and Belarusians)
                  , dummies and gypsies (Moldavians)
                  All under one comb, no matter who you are from the SGA or with Russia, anyway chock-dill-or dummy BRAVO do not stop
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 10 January 2017 22: 54
                    +7
                    Quote: Russian Moldovan
                    All under one comb, no matter who you are from the SGA or with Russia, anyway chock-dill-or dummy BRAVO do not stop

                    If you are against Russia, then rightly so. What else to call a stubborn opponent? So deserves it!
                    By the way, it would not hurt to give examples: which of the offended "dill", for example, communicates? "Dill" - soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And who is called dill?
                  2. insular
                    insular 10 January 2017 23: 30
                    +15
                    Quote: Russian Moldovan
                    All this happens here on the site, they do not play off here, smacks of "amerokoy" exclusivity, all other peoples of the USSR are lumps

                    And let you Maldavan-brother tell us not for the exploits of grandfathers in WWII, you won’t cover up NOT by the betrayal of grandfathers in WWII, but tell us about betrayal, begging, expulsion of Russians with the words "Russians do not leave, we need slaves and prostitutes" from our snakes? Let’s tell you about the crowds of guest workers who rushed for sharash-mantazh work, for minibus tiles and so on?
                    Tiler insulting? But it’s true and not so .. Rukozady-tiler, because your brother lousy puts tiles ...
                    Quote: Russian Moldovans
                    All under one comb, no matter who you are from the SGA or with Russia, anyway, chyrka-ykrop-or tomber BRAVO do not stop

                    Is it here on VO to talk about the brothers of those who are not from the SGA? When the Belarusian brother spits in the direction of Russia, in the topic of regular discounts for the Republic of Belarus, with the words "we are brothers, your oligarchs feed on us," he suddenly changes his shoes in the next topic, where the Old Man passes off regular shrimps of the Belarusian seas for the achievements of the proud to the people, the same brother shouts that Old Man is a business executive and first of all thinks about HIS OWN and does the right thing ... Who is this individual? Is he a brother or is he with the SGA?

                    Be that as it may, but for betraying you and your grandchildren do not pay with tiles and the former merits of grandfathers. Betrayal is treason. and you didn’t leave the USSR, you left the Russia, called the USSR at that time. You betrayed your land, your Russian home.
                    They betrayed and demanded bribes and help, and you even have the audacity to be offended that Russia didn’t help the poor for 20–25 years, the blood-sobbing one almost dying, and yet it carries the GENERAL brotherly duty alone.

                    Come to VO, deliciously hark in the direction of Russia and Russian. To pull everyone under one comb and immediately lament that you are being rowed under one comb - this must be talented. Tfu on you, not respected. You dishonor your own home.
                    1. insular
                      insular 10 January 2017 23: 45
                      +9
                      And tilers and other offensive words all of you are called where? At home in Russia? What are you doing at our house? You were so busy and wanted to go out and get rid of the "Russian boot"?
                      How did you suddenly find ourselves at our place, and when did you suddenly begin to take offense at our indigenous population, that suddenly carpets do not make you run?

                      You, the Russian Muldovan, have you confused anything in life?
                      Even now you write your abominations where and for whom?
                      1. insular
                        insular 11 January 2017 01: 49
                        +11
                        Quote: Russian Moldovans
                        smacks of "amerokoy" exclusivity

                        That means what smells like for you?
                        When you write about not the betrayal of your grandfathers, you forget about the victims of the Russian people, but the number of victims, the price paid by relatives and friends (not the "brothers" of the Russians, but the Russian brothers), you forget that the number of victims exceeds the total population of some other nations.

                        You forget. that it was not a contribution to help in the Russian war with the Germans, but a general war of peoples for the right to exist. If the Russians didn’t help you, many of you would not have left at all. But it was not help, but ONE war. And at that war there were hoaxes and chepers, only it wasn’t abusive, but the jokes of the brothers.

                        You forget that Russians are the largest divided people.

                        You forget that we have borne the burden of "brotherhood" for more than a quarter of a century and do not hear words of gratitude, we hear discontent that we are bad brothers.

                        You forget about the Russian genocide in the "fraternal republics" after the collapse of the country.

                        You forget about all those refugees that Russia accepted after the collapse. The number of which exceeds those tears from which Europe howls.

                        You forget that not a single country of the former Soviet Union has contributed any tangible help to Russia itself.

                        You forget about all those peacekeepers, those Russian brothers who stand between you, not allowing you to finally tear each other to pieces.

                        You forget that the Russians have to make excuses for the Georgian Stalin and the Ukrainian Khrushchev. Collecting them into one image of "Soviet power" with the implication that under your rule the poor peoples suffered, forgetting that the law was the same for everyone, incl. and for Russians.

                        You forget that before the 91st year, all bad things are written off in Russian, and good things in "joint contribution".

                        You forget that it was the Russian brothers who built and built, and the American exclusive ravages beat all their allies and enemies.

                        The Russians, there is no burden of exclusivity, we have the burden of brotherhood and we carry it with the whole people. And as long as you allow yourself to ask for fraternal help without forgetting to pompously celebrate independence, we do not forget about our fraternal mission and exceptional contribution. So we don’t need about exclusivity. We have every right to do so. Because remember while you forget.
                    2. CorvusCoraks
                      CorvusCoraks 11 January 2017 09: 18
                      0
                      Excellent said, do not add, do not add. I absolutely support the point of view!
              2. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 10 January 2017 20: 20
                +14
                V.I. Lenin called this phenomenon Great Power chauvinism. The people call it differently - The protective reaction of the indigenous population to lawlessness, poverty and the visibility of how all sorts of non-Russian demons dance on the riches of their country.
              3. Dry_T-50
                Dry_T-50 10 January 2017 20: 47
                +16
                Quote: Russian Moldovans
                In the Soviet Moldavia there was not a single traitor who would have fought for the fascists, all died for the USSR (although they could have been differently like in Lviv, etc.), and now their grandchildren and children are Russians (I don’t write Russians because Russian Man will never insult the Soviet Man) call Moldavians -plitaries, mothers of little ones, gypsies and even Romanians
                request ,

                True, but in 1991 we all saw the price of "Friendship of Peoples"
              4. RUSS
                RUSS 15 January 2017 10: 26
                +1
                Quote: Russian Moldovan
                In Soviet Moldova, there was not a single traitor who would fight for the Nazis, all died for the USSR

                Now catching up yes -During the war years, there was practically no large-scale collaboration between the Moldovans and the fascist occupiers, but what was very limited. The paradox is that this phenomenon appeared much later, with the collapse of the socialist camp and the USSR, and bears the character of the ideological justification of the Romano-fascist invaders in modern Romanian nationalist historiography and in Moldavian pro-Romanian historical literature, as well as in school textbooks of the Republic of Moldova.
            4. Makarov
              Makarov 10 January 2017 19: 59
              +4
              unreliable ethnic population ... krutova something bent, no?
            5. Dry_T-50
              Dry_T-50 10 January 2017 20: 45
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              In Russia and under Nicholas II during WWI, and under Stalin during WWII - unlike in other countries of the world - unreliable ethnic population never deported to the rear of the country, and destroyed on the ground in kontratsionnyh camps.

              Even nothing to say. Although, no, there are no eternal enemies, there are no eternal brothers, there are only eternal interests. And trying to make compatriots idiots does not correspond to them. Concerns all participants in the dispute.
            6. Svetlana
              Svetlana 10 January 2017 21: 01
              +8
              Quote: Tatiana
              In Russia, both during Nicholas II during WWI and under Stalin during WWII - unlike other countries of the world - the unreliable ethnic population was never deported to the rear of the country, but was destroyed on the ground in counterattack camps.

              This is whom they destroyed in concentration camps in Russia ?! Or didn’t I understand something? What population was destroyed in our country?
            7. Gerard Roussillon
              Gerard Roussillon 10 January 2017 22: 47
              +9
              First, if the USSR, under the leadership of Stalin had not won the Second World War, there would have been no Chechnya today.

              This would not be Russia. And the Chechen allied Emirate to the Germans would have been unequivocal. He was already being formed before the advent of German troops in the Caucasus, there was a riot in full swing
            8. your1970
              your1970 10 January 2017 23: 33
              +4
              Tatyana
              In Russia under Nicholas II during WWI, and at Stalin during WWII - unlike other countries of the world - unreliable ethnic population never not deported to the rear of the country, and destroyed on the ground in counterattack camps. - YOU haven't mixed up anything ???????????????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              What concentration camps under Nicholas ???? Who on the spot was destroyed under Stalin ??? Tatars, Chechens, Volga Germans ???
              We need to carefully - and then we started for health and right there through an offer for peace ...
            9. captain
              captain 11 January 2017 10: 31
              +2
              I do not want to stand up for Kadyrov, but comrades are forum participants who write about the betrayal of the Chechen, Crimean Tatar and other deported peoples. Russia conquered Chechnya, Crimea, Dagestan, Adygea, Abkhazia. Some of these peoples emigrated, and the tsarist government encouraged this. These peoples were never drafted into the Russian army, they took only volunteers (for example, the Native (Wild) division). They took the revolution as an opportunity to get even with the Russian. Which they successfully did during the years of the civil war and after it. At that time, Russia was their enemy, comrade. Kirov and Ordzhenikidze perfectly played on this hatred and arranged a fun life for the White Army, distracting a lot of white troops from the campaign in Moscow. When these Caucasians became unnecessary, they began to strangle them again, to impose on them a secular lifestyle, to convince them that there is no Allah, etc. The Chechens did not consider themselves obligated to fight for Soviet power (for them, for the Russians who conquered Chechnya). By the way, about the non-eviction of all Chechens, Crimean Tatars, etc. Even the mother of twice the hero (Crimean Tatar) Akhmet Khan Sultan was evicted, saved by the personal intervention of the commander of the Air Force army, in which this illustrious pilot served.
          2. yuriy55
            yuriy55 10 January 2017 17: 29
            +19
            I didn’t want to write anything, but I couldn’t bear it - you can’t evaluate politicians - leaders earlier than in a hundred years, or even more


            And there was no need ... After all, waiting 100 years, or even more, is only needed so that all witnesses and eyewitnesses who are able to object something against have already rested in the cemetery. And, how nice it is in a society where there are no opponents, to give out "your own, needed by the time" pearls fellow I always cautiously speak out about things, events that appeared and happened without me, and, especially, about Stalin, although I already wore a greatcoat, and there was no trace of a historian cursing Stalin ...
          3. INVESTOR
            INVESTOR 10 January 2017 17: 37
            +15
            There was an article on VO, the faint of heart did not read https://topwar.ru/7613-vospominaniya-russkogo-rod
            ivshegosya-i-vyrosshego-v-chechne.html
            1. killganoff
              killganoff 10 January 2017 18: 18
              +4
              Oh, I'm afraid this article will not hang on the Internet for long ... Then they did not pay attention to it, but today for such exclamations it is possible to rattle under the article, or even worse - "under unknown circumstances died in the middle of the street."
            2. DMM2006
              DMM2006 10 January 2017 20: 06
              +7
              Thanks for the link. It’s a pity the article is not complete, the video materials are blocked, and there’s no way to get directly to the author’s blog.
              Nevertheless, the material strikes right away ... as if before my eyes there is everything I read about ...
              And the main idea, the call of the author personally, I will never forget:
              Do not be sheep !!! Remember that you are Russian !!!
            3. Stanislas
              Stanislas 10 January 2017 21: 20
              +3
              Quote: INVESTOR
              the faint of heart don't read
              On the contrary, they need to at least read the article, video cinemas are not there, but the words are harsh, truthful and intelligible.
          4. maxim947
            maxim947 10 January 2017 19: 53
            +5
            I didn’t want to write anything, but I couldn’t bear it - you can’t evaluate politicians - leaders earlier than in a hundred years, or even more, otherwise it can lead to bad consequences.
            [i] [/ i]
            It is necessary to evaluate politicians immediately — otherwise, if you wait 100 years, it may happen that there will be no state or people who lived on their land. It’s convenient for politicians to analyze this after 100 years, and only if history has not been rewritten to you five times, as we have ... the continuous confusion of Grozny, Stalin, Solzhenitsyn are continuous contradictions
          5. Svetlana
            Svetlana 10 January 2017 21: 10
            +11
            Quote: cniza
            I didn’t want to write anything, but I couldn’t bear it - you can’t evaluate politicians - leaders earlier than in a hundred years, or even more, otherwise it can lead to bad consequences.

            So, in your opinion, should the descendants of the peoples they betrayed evaluate the treacherous power, and not the peoples themselves? This is some kind of masochism. The people under Stalin for the most part respected and revered him as a father. And under Gorbachev, you yourself know. And now, when the latter is still in good health, many want to judge him before he dies. Why can’t this be done ?! This is not only possible, but necessary! And Khrushchev - the first perestroika who prepared the foundation for Gorbachev perestroika, and Gorbachev, and Yeltsin - need to be judged now while we, who have suffered from their stupidity, betrayal and venality, are alive and can witness their criminal activity against our state.
        2. Conductor
          Conductor 10 January 2017 17: 13
          +7
          Something he began to forget .. I completely forgot the story, or most likely did not teach

          The historical Stalinist Igor Pykhalov believed that by distorting and misinterpreting events he would write books with the "correct" history of the Soviet state. He thought that he would "ride" with the deportation of the Ingush and Chechen peoples, but when they really wanted to meet him face to face , then sharply changed his mind and publicly apologized to Ramzan Akhmatich for justifying the deportations of the Ingush and Chechen peoples, of which he was a supporter
          1. Proud.
            Proud. 10 January 2017 18: 04
            +30
            Quote: Explorer
            The historical Stalinist Igor Pykhalov believed that by distorting and misinterpreting events he would write books with the "correct" history of the Soviet state. He thought that he would "ride" with the deportation of the Ingush and Chechen peoples, but when they really wanted to meet him face to face , then sharply changed his mind and publicly apologized to Ramzan Akhmatich for justifying the deportations of the Ingush and Chechen peoples, of which he was a supporter

            Be kind, a reference, to the public apology of Igor Pykhalov. Next ... Do you know that Igor Pykhalov, back in August 2014, in the light of those events, at the call of the Heart, went to Donbass!? At 48 years old. In the beginning he was a loader on MLRS "Grad", and further .., I will not write to you. I do not consider it necessary. I quote: "... he came up to me and asked how to go to Donbass." As a publicist? "I asked, surprised." No, to fight "- the historian answered shortly. I explained what to do - indicated the coordinates of the Interbrigades (I don't know if he got there via this channel or otherwise). Igor Pykhalov turned out to be one of those publicists who" writes books with his own blood "... ". And you dare to p ..., tryndet at him!? By the way, about the" reference "... I'm sure he was intimidated. And tough. Possibly using his family.
            History YYY is you. He is Man.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 10 January 2017 21: 56
              +11
              Quote: Explorer
              He thought that he would "ride" with the deportation of the Ingush and Chechen peoples, but when they really wanted to meet him face to face, he sharply changed his mind and publicly apologized to Ramzan Akhmatich

              You would do the same in his situation! This video does not say of course that the historian was previously beaten by Caucasians.

              They can beat anyone at all! Or kill. And for this they will not be anything. Well, or almost nothing, half a year or a year and release. Remember how high-profile murders committed by Caucasians in Moscow! And our military ... even the hero of Budanov could not be protected from the lynching committed by the Caucasians (how this ended, all the parties concerned knew beforehand!).
              1. Svetlana
                Svetlana 10 January 2017 23: 25
                +8
                Quote: Stas157
                They can beat anyone at all! Or kill. And for this they will not be anything. Well, or almost nothing, half a year or a year and release. Remember how high-profile murders committed by Caucasians in Moscow!

                "... I walked past them, after which they attacked me."
                What a characteristic feature of some "brave heroes" - to attack from behind, from behind and two or three of us on one!
                1. Stanislas
                  Stanislas 11 January 2017 10: 29
                  0
                  Quote: Svetlana
                  What a characteristic feature of some "brave heroes" - to attack from behind, from behind and two or three of us on one!
                  And what is the characteristic feature of a dozen, two or three dozen "heroes" standing nearby, looking at it, but not interfering?
          2. Tatyana
            Tatyana 10 January 2017 18: 08
            +24
            Unfortunately, there is no subjunctive mood in history. If the deportation was carried out, then there were good reasons for this. This means that the bandits could not be identified promptly in the conditions of hostilities. This means that the population sheltered the bandits. And since there is no time to slobber in the war, the decision "from above" was the only correct one. And after the war, you can rant about the alleged innocence as much as you like - especially now, when the main witnesses of this decision have long been dead.
            In the video, at least a Chechen was not standing next to the author, and even with such a menacing look. You might think that the author was simply embittered and denied, like Galileo from his research, that the Earth revolves around the Sun in a trial before the Inquisition. Something is not believed in the veracity of his words.
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 10 January 2017 21: 25
              +8
              Quote: Tatiana
              In the video, at least a Chechen was not standing next to the author, and even with such a menacing look. You might think that the author was simply embittered and denied, like Galileo from his research, that the Earth revolves around the Sun in a trial before the Inquisition. Something is not believed in the veracity of his words.

              If these two are swapped in the video, then the Chechen will also say: "Thank you Comrade Stalin for our happy childhood!"
          3. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 10 January 2017 19: 25
            +6
            Quote: Explorer
            The historical Stalinist Igor Pykhalov believed that by distorting and distorting events he would write books with the "correct" history of the Soviet state.

            Yeah ... at the same time distorted and distorted events he is by publishing documents of that period.
            The attitude of the Chechens and Ingush to the Soviet regime was clearly expressed in desertion and draft evasion in the Red Army.
            At the first mobilization in August 1941, from 8000 people to be drafted, 719 people deserted.
            In October 1941 of 4733, the 362 man evaded the draft.
            In January 1942, when manning the national division, only 50 percent of the personnel were recruited.
            In March 1942, out of 14 people deserted and evaded the service, 576 people who went into illegal situations, went to the mountains and joined the gangs.
            In 1943, out of 3000 volunteers, the number of deserters was 1870.

            As the front line approached in August - September 1942, 80 people of the CPSU (b), quit their jobs, fled, including 16 heads of district committees of the CPSU (b), 8 leading workers of district executive committees and 14 chairmen of collective farms
          4. Svetlana
            Svetlana 10 January 2017 21: 29
            +10
            I now believe in it more.
            1. Arameev
              Arameev 10 January 2017 23: 10
              +4
              the old man from the clip says badly. I don’t know about Crimea, but it’s not true about the Caucasus. thickens colors ... it is not clear for what purpose only ... my father, in the 43rd, after being wounded, was fit for a couple of months and served in the military enlistment office in Makhachkala, he said. just engaged in recruits. Caucasians didn’t go to any mountains. the boys also got out with requests to take to the front as volunteers. just look at the statistics of the draft. Was this old man in the Caucasus at all ?!
              1. The brightest
                The brightest 11 January 2017 05: 56
                +2
                Yes, you could not write, it is obvious to everyone that citizens of the occupation administration in Palestine can write.
                1. Arameev
                  Arameev 11 January 2017 13: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Lightest
                  Zionism is a threat to humanity

                  is it without Jews the world will not live? oh well ... the KGB was exaggerating! )))
          5. The brightest
            The brightest 11 January 2017 06: 37
            0
            Quote: Explorer

            Istoreg-Stalinist Igor Pykhalov considered Auger

            I wonder what video you clean up if you regularly peel.
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 January 2017 17: 25
          +6
          Well done Kadyrov, in plain text
          1. DREDD
            DREDD 10 January 2017 17: 51
            +50
            Wow, Romanov, in his hatred of the USSR, opened the achievement "Accomplice of Fascism", so, indeed, an anti-Soviet is always a Russophobe.
            1. JS20
              JS20 10 January 2017 18: 40
              +6
              Quote: DREDD
              anti-Soviet - always Russophobe.

              In the Looking Glass, everything is habitually called exactly the opposite. Black white etc.
              An anti-Soviet is not always a Russophile, only sometimes. But a "witness to socialism", a follower of the Bolsheviks, he is always Russophobe. It's just a historical fact - the Red Army fought against the Russian army. Which later, for opportunistic reasons, the propaganda of the Bolsheviks was renamed "white". And the Reds were not shooting "whites", as shown in the films, but soldiers and officers of the Russian army.
              1. fif21
                fif21 10 January 2017 19: 28
                +11
                Quote: JS20
                The Red Army fought against the Russian Army.
                ? The Russian army fought against the Russian army (civil war however). The remaining names are only meaningful for identifying the warring parties. hi
                1. Stanislas
                  Stanislas 11 January 2017 11: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: fif21
                  Other names are for identification purposes only.
                  Wrong. Even our nicknames and avatars on the forum are more important. Someone uses them to make it difficult to identify themselves with something, others - to identify with their personality, with the army, etc. The army was called "red", as it seems to me, in order to materialize the specter of communism, which had long wandered across Europe, to oppose the red color of the world revolutionary fire to the colors of the national flags, under which the construction of independent and semi-independent states was going on. After all, the primary project of the Bolsheviks was to make a large army out of the country, to arm it well, sparing no resources, and to throw this Red Army into Europe, into Asia ... The ghost did not materialize, since Stalin, arguing with Trotsky, in fact criticized Marx and changed the scenario of the world revolution to the scenario of national development within the framework of socialism.
              2. ss29
                ss29 10 January 2017 19: 28
                +3
                yeah, out of 10 million of the imperial army by 1917, the number of white armies belonging to the period of the most powerful heyday of the white movement, by May 1919, shows that even in this period the number of combat troops of the regular white armies did not exceed 682,0 thousand souls. With the maintenance personnel of the rear departments, garrisons, headquarters, medical and military military organizations and so on. this population of the militarized population of whites should be raised by approximately 50%, and thereby brought to 1 thousand souls. those. removing the rear and recruits, I think in the region of 023,0 thousand from 500 million (forgive you, seryte about the Russian army)
              3. Slender Reed
                Slender Reed 10 January 2017 20: 16
                +9
                Most of the former imperial officers fought in a civilian in the Red Army.
                1. JS20
                  JS20 10 January 2017 22: 25
                  +4
                  Quote: Slender Reed
                  Most of the former imperial officers fought in a civilian in the Red Army.

                  The choice was limited. Or serve the Bolsheviks under the supervision of a commissar. Or "slapped" without trial or investigation. So they served. Not for conscience, but for fear.
                  1. Slender Reed
                    Slender Reed 11 January 2017 12: 16
                    +2
                    You have no choice. Admit: blurted out from the bulldozer.
                    Or did you read in their memoirs?
                    Tell me, actually the white officers who fought against the Reds, what was your choice? Or was there something there too?
                  2. MrK
                    MrK 11 January 2017 20: 09
                    0
                    Quote: JS20
                    Or serve the Bolsheviks under the supervision of a commissar. Or "slapped" without trial and investigation


                    From the book of Alexander Kurlandchik on Proza.ru

                    At least four former tsarist generals are known who, having been captured by the whites, refused to change the oath of red, and were shot for this: von Taube, Nikolaev, Vostrosablin, Stankevich.
                    Well, so what about hostages with small children, gentlemen of criticism? Why didn’t they serve the whites?
                    1. JS20
                      JS20 11 January 2017 23: 14
                      +1
                      Quote: mrark
                      captured by white

                      They could not be captured by the whites, even theoretically. Because "white" is a post-war invention of the Bolsheviks.
                      Further on your "shot".
                      Quote: mrark
                      Vostrosablin

                      He was thrown out of the train and died from his injuries. Who threw away is unknown.
                      Quote: mrark
                      von taube

                      He died of typhoid.
                      Quote: mrark
                      Stankevich

                      Volunteer. Hanged.
                      Quote: mrark
                      Николаев

                      Of the soldiers. Volunteer. Hanged.
              4. Stas157
                Stas157 10 January 2017 22: 05
                +11
                Quote: JS20
                It's just a historical fact - the Red Army fought against the Russian army. Which later, for opportunistic reasons, the propaganda of the Bolsheviks was renamed "white".

                Well, just opened my eyes to me !! A Red Army that was not Russian ?? Maybe European or American? But, here is the fact that Europeans (white-Czechs) and Americans fought on the side of the whites is a fact!
                In general, there was a civil war, the Russians fought with the Russians. Same as this hour in Ukraine. And do not try to call someone more Russian than everyone else.
                1. JS20
                  JS20 10 January 2017 22: 27
                  +4
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Europeans (white-Czechs) and Americans fought on the side of the whites is a fact!

                  Yeah. And Martians fought on the side of the whites. And troglodytes from Alpha Centauri.
                  It is necessary to "fantasize" on a larger scale. More global.
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 10 January 2017 22: 51
                    +5
                    Quote: JS20
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Europeans (white-Czechs) and Americans fought on the side of the whites is a fact!

                    Yeah. And Martians fought on the side of the whites. And troglodytes from Alpha Centauri.
                    It is necessary to "fantasize" on a larger scale. More global.

                    Number of legs ... your arguments ... incontrovertible wink
                    - however, even you will not be able to refute the fact that "foreign countries" supported the White, not the Red Army
                    - or can you?

                    Just do not need more about the Martians, okay?
                    1. JS20
                      JS20 11 January 2017 19: 24
                      +1
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      "foreign countries" supported the White, not the Red Army

                      Russian army. The "White Army" is a later invention of the Bolsheviks.
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 11 January 2017 19: 30
                        0
                        Quote: JS20
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        "foreign countries" supported the White, not the Red Army

                        Russian army. The "White Army" is a later invention of the Bolsheviks.

                        - patriots, that is, they supported. Here's to understand more - and why did they need Fenshui, to support the "patriots"? Are they all ... altruists without exception? what
                      2. JS20
                        JS20 11 January 2017 19: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        patriots, that is, they supported. Here's to understand more - and why did they need Fenshui, to support the "patriots"? Are they all ... altruists without exception?

                        The fact of the matter is that they did not particularly support it.
              5. vezdehodov
                vezdehodov 10 January 2017 23: 32
                +6
                Quote: JS20
                It’s just a historical fact - the Red Army fought against the Russian army.


                JS20 lie further)))

                In the Red Army, 75 thousand former officers served, while in the White Army about 35 thousand out of the 150 thousandth corps of officers of the Russian Empire.
                On November 19, 1917, the Bolsheviks appointed Chief of Staff of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief ... a hereditary nobleman, His Excellency Mikhail Dmitrievich Bonch-Bruyevich, Lieutenant General of the Imperial Army.
                And this is for general development. You need to know better the people in whose language you write lies about his army. And here is a reference for self-education and verification of facts.

                https://cont.ws/@lapsha71/483089#com5364638
                1. MrK
                  MrK 11 January 2017 20: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: vezdehodov
                  And here is a reference for self-education and verification of facts.

                  Thank. I will add. From the same book of Courland.
                  A huge role at one time played the appeal of a group of former tsarist generals who called in 1920 officers to switch to the side of the Reds.
                  Here are quotes: "The free Russian people liberated all the peoples that were subject to it and made it possible for each of them to self-determine and arrange their own lives at their own discretion .... At this critical moment in our people’s life, we, your senior comrades, appeal to your feelings of love and devotion to your homeland and urge you ... to voluntarily go with complete selflessness and hunting into the Red Army and serve there not for fear and for conscience, so that with our honest service, not sparing our lives, to defend Russia at any cost to us and not to allow its plunder, because in the latter case it could irretrievably disappear, and then our descendants will curse us fairly ... for that that we ... do not use ovali his military knowledge and experience, have forgotten their native Russian people and ruined their Mother Russia».
                  The appeal was signed by famous and respected people in the old army: Generals Polivanov, Zayonchkovsky, Klembovsky, Parsky, Baluev, Akimov, Admiral Gutor. The first was the name of the most authoritative military commander, General A. Brusilov.
                  All these people served the new government not for fear, but for conscience. Of course, they were not Bolsheviks. It is simply that the new Russia was quite suitable for them, much more than a place in the White Guard ranks, that's all.

                  Well, what about the hostages?
              6. The brightest
                The brightest 11 January 2017 06: 07
                +1
                Quote: JS20
                In the Looking Glass, everything is habitually called exactly the opposite. Black white etc.

                A resident of the looking glass wrote to us, presumably a descendant of the "Bandera-Shukhevychs" who cut out not only foreigners but also Ukrainians, their family members. And the Red Army was Russian, the officers' backbone was from the tsarist officers. So you won't be able to deceive people.
              7. An60
                An60 11 January 2017 14: 37
                0
                Give a better example of the closer civilian of the Northern and Southern states ...
              8. DREDD
                DREDD 11 January 2017 14: 54
                +1
                The Red Army fought against the Russian Army

                Isn't this the "Russian army" that opened the doors wide open to foreign interventionists?
          2. Lavrenti Pavlovich
            Lavrenti Pavlovich 10 January 2017 17: 57
            +61
            Kadyrov well done? Kadyrov is a gangster criminal authority who swore allegiance to Putin, but he is no statesman. Comparing Kadyrov and Stalin, the greatest personality of the 20th century, is simply ridiculous. Zhirinovsky, among other things, suggested dropping an atomic bomb on Chechnya when the war was going on. Stalin did: he eliminated illiteracy and homelessness, eliminated hunger, industrialized the country, won the worst war in history, created the atomic bomb, the USSR was the first in space, the law was the same for everyone ...
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 10 January 2017 18: 04
              +10
              Amused in places (nothing personal, I'm just a bookworm somewhere):

              Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
              liquidated illiteracy and homelessness

              - liquorиnevertheless did
              - noсpretentiousness nevertheless

              Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
              eliminated hunger, industrialization of the country

              - I realized what you wanted to say
              - but you said that Stalin "liquidated industrialization" (emphasis added there)

              I fully agree with thoughts on the subject of Kadyrov. Well, he’s never Stalin laughing

              PS: Whoever teaches me to highlight text with color (there was such an opportunity on the previous version of the site now, but it is ... carefully hidden), that ... nothing will happen.

              Better in PM yes
            2. martin-159
              martin-159 10 January 2017 19: 29
              +10
              Kadyrov is foam.
            3. boforss
              boforss 10 January 2017 19: 34
              +5
              Kadyrov is a gangster criminal authority who swore allegiance to Putin, but he is no statesman

              I applaud while standing Lavrenti Pavlovich!!! good
          3. Neputin
            Neputin 10 January 2017 18: 55
            +33
            1) Kadyrov is an ordinary bandit from the high road, who got to power.
            2) The fact that now he is loyal and ass licking the regime does not mean that he really thinks so and will think and act in the future.
            3) Most likely, his loyalty is directly proportional to the amount of federal subsidies to the budget of the Chechen Republic, which he successfully "saws" within his own teip.
            4) As for Stalin, according to the laws of wartime, he had to shoot all Chechens who are collaborators and who have weapons and who plan to shoot at least "the slightest squeak" against the authorities. It would be better, what do you think Alexander Romanov? Expulsion of all in a row is also not the best option, I agree, many innocent people have suffered. Think of something yourself in the place of Stalin. Well, at least something constructive and better than him. And then "brand with shame"
            1. CorvusCoraks
              CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 19: 52
              +9
              Quote: Neputin
              3) Most likely, his loyalty is directly proportional to the amount of federal subsidies to the budget of the Chechen Republic, which he successfully "saws" within his own teip.

              And there is. Recently (2-4 months ago), the news slipped that he was very unhappy with the intention to reduce the subsidies allocated to Chechnya from the federal budget.
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 15 January 2017 10: 38
              0
              Quote: Neputin
              Kadyrov is an ordinary bandit from the highway,

              Stalin is an ordinary thug-The robbery of bank money that thundered throughout Europe in Tiflis (Tbilisi) on June 26, 1907 (according to the old style), was carried out under the leadership of Stalin and greatly raised his authority in the Bolshevik party.
              Not a single member of the police robbery was caught. According to some reports, Stalin was seen at the railway station in the shortest time after the "expropriation": if the informants brought him bad news, he would immediately board the train and disappear. But everything went well for the gang, and for the next two days Stalin drank carefree drinks in Tiflis taverns. However, then, apparently, having learned something alarming, he and his wife Kato hastily left for Baku.

              The bandits first hid money from their accomplice Miho Bochoradze, and then transferred to the Tiflis Physical Observatory, where Stalin then worked. Later they were transported to Lenin abroad. These events convinced Lenin even more that Stalin was an extremely necessary person for the Bolshevik party.
              The booty captured by Stalin and Kamo in the Tiflis robbery is estimated at between 250 and (more likely) 340 thousand rubles. Simon Montefiore believes that to convert to modern dollars, these figures should be multiplied by 10. But the purchasing power of 340 thousand then rubles was still significantly higher than 3,4 million current dollars. When trying to exchange Tiflis money in Europe, several bandits were arrested. Lenin tried to organize their judicial defense.

              The news of the Tiflis "expropriation" was published by all the largest world newspapers, including the London Times, the Daily Mirror and the Paris Temps. It has become, in the full sense of the word, world news.

              1. JS20
                JS20 15 January 2017 12: 30
                +1
                Quote: RUSS
                Stalin is an ordinary thug

                I wouldn't say that. Yes, he probably started out like an ordinary bandit. But he ended up as an extra-class swindler on a planetary scale. After all, "socialism", i.e. The pseudo-religious society based on the pseudo-religion "Marxism-Leninism" is his own invention. As well as the pseudo-religion "Marxism-Leninism" itself.
                What "ordinary bandit" can do this? Swindlers of this magnitude are rarely born. And only a few are carrying out their plans.
                Yes, without WW2 "socialism" in the USSR would have collapsed with his death in 1953. (this is maximum). But it would have been enough for his life, and what would happen next did not seem to interest him.
          4. Grim Reaper
            Grim Reaper 10 January 2017 21: 01
            +17
            Well done, novels. Take the big mac.
            ps My father was in the occupation of the Kuban. He was then 14 years old. He said that all the "persons" of the Caucasian nationality were sent to the police. You can at least give any reasons, but I believe him more than.
            1. garnik
              garnik 10 January 2017 23: 13
              +4
              And who are these "persons of Caucasian nationality", it is time to put them on the "shelves."
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          6. BecmepH
            BecmepH 11 January 2017 08: 01
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well done Kadyrov, in plain text

            Once again I regret that it is impossible to scandalize the "minus" .... OW-ooh, admins ...
        4. Sergei Petrov
          Sergey Petrov 11 January 2017 11: 23
          0
          A man graduated from five classes, then the war began. If he knows history, then only from the words of his fellow tribesmen.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 15 January 2017 10: 42
            0
            Quote: Sergei Petrov
            A man graduated from five classes,

            The gangster man crushes, personally participating in the specifications, and you are a hollow sofa.
            Ramzan Kadyrov - Hero of Russia
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 15 January 2017 13: 46
              0
              Quote: RUSS
              personally participating in the specifications,

              I'm sorry typo laughing not in specifications, but in special operations.
        5. MrK
          MrK 11 January 2017 21: 21
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          Or remind him who organized gangs in the Chechen-Ingushetia during the Second World War


          Decree of the State Defense Committee on deportation

          Why did it arise
          Since January 1940, an underground organization of Hasan Israilov has been operating in the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, with the goal of tearing the North Caucasus from the USSR and creating a state on the territory of the federation of all the mountain peoples of the Caucasus, except for Ossetians.
          The first event of the gang after the outbreak of war was the disruption of mobilization in Chechen-Ingushetia. For the second half of the 1941 year, the number of deserters amounted to 12 thousand 365 people who evaded the draft - 1093. During the first mobilization of Chechens and Ingush in the Red Army in 1941, it was planned to form a cavalry division from their composition, however, when it was manned, only 50% (4247 people) from the existing draft contingent were recruited, and 850 people from those already recruited upon arrival to the front right there crossed to the enemy. In total, during the three years of the war, 49 362 Chechens and Ingush deserted from the ranks of the Red Army, and another 13 389 evaded the draft, which totals 62751 people. Killed on the fronts and went missing (and the latter include those who went over to the enemy) only 2300 people.
          The Buryat people, two times smaller in number, which the German occupation did not threaten in any way, lost 13 thousand people at the front, and Ossetians who lost half 11 thousand to the Chechens and Ingush, half the time. At the same time that the decree on resettlement was published, only 8894 people of Chechens, Ingush and Balkars were in the army. That is, ten times more deserted than fought.
          Two years after his first raid, on 28 of January 1942 of the year, Israilov organized the Special Military Party of the Caucasian Brotherhood, dedicated to the "creation of a free fraternal Federative Republic of the states of the fraternal peoples of the Caucasus in the Caucasus under the mandate of the German Empire." Later, he renamed this party the "National Socialist Party of the Caucasian Brothers." In February 1942, when the Nazis occupied Taganrog, Mayrabek Sheripov, an associate of Israilov, the former chairman of the Lespromsovet of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, raised an uprising in the villages of Chatoy and Itum-Kale. The auls were soon liberated, but some of the rebels went into the mountains, from where partisan raids were carried out.
          In order to prevent the bandits from capturing oil production and oil refining facilities, we had to introduce one NKVD division into the republic, as well as to remove military units of the Red Army from the front during the most difficult period of the Battle of the Caucasus.
          Despite the fact that 22 gang members were killed and 1941 people were captured from 23 June 1944 February to 3078 February 1715 year, and 31 people were captured, it was clear that it would be impossible to defeat banditry while someone gives the bandits food and shelter. That is why the 1944 of January 5073 of the year adopted a decree of the GKO of the USSR No. XNUMX on the abolition of the Chechen-Ingush ASSR and the deportation of its population to Central Asia and Kazakhstan.
          On February 23 1944, the Lentil operation began, during which 180 trains were sent from Checheno-Ingushetia along 65 wagons in each with a total number of 493 269 people being resettled. 20 072 firearms were seized. During resistance, 780 Chechens and Ingush were killed, and 2016 were arrested for possession of weapons and anti-Soviet literature.
          1. MrK
            MrK 11 January 2017 21: 36
            0
            Read more.
            Operation Lentils. Eviction of Chechens and Ingush in 1944
            Preparations began for the operation, codenamed Lentil. The Commissioner of State Security of the 2 rank I.A. was appointed responsible for it. Serov, and his assistants - B.Z. Kobulov, S.N. Kruglov and A.N. Apollo. Each of them led one of the four operational sectors into which the territory of the republic was divided. Beria personally controlled the operation. As an excuse for the introduction of troops, exercises were announced. Concentration of troops began about a month before the operation. On 2 of December 1943, the KGB groups set up to accurately register the population began work. It turned out that over the previous two months around 1300 previously hiding rebels were legalized, including the “veteran” of banditry Javotkhan Murtazaliev. These bandits surrendered only a small part of their weapons.
            "State Committee of Defense comrade Stalin 17 February 1944 g. Preparation for the eviction of Chechens and Ingush ends. Registered 459 486 people subject to resettlement, including those living in neighboring regions of Dagestan and in the mountains. Vladikavkaz ... It was decided to carry out the eviction (including the landing of people in trains) for 8 days. In the first 3 days, the operation will be completed throughout the lowlands and foothill regions and partially in some mountainous regions, with a coverage of over 300 thousand people.
            On the remaining 4 days, evictions will be carried out in all mountainous regions with the coverage of the remaining 150 thousand people ...
            6 – 7 thousand Dagestanis, 3 thousand Ossetians from the assets of neighboring regions of Dagestan and North Ossetia, as well as rural activists from Russians in areas where there is a Russian population ... L. Beria will be involved in eviction. ”
            Significantly: Dagestanis and Ossetians are involved in assisting in eviction. Earlier, groups of Tushins and Khevsurs were involved in the fight against Chechen gangs in neighboring regions of Georgia. The bandits of Chechen-Ingushetia annoyed the surrounding peoples so much that they were happy to be ready to take them away.

            Eviction Conditions.
            Property and people were loaded onto vehicles and guarded to the gathering place. It was allowed to take food, small equipment at the rate of 100 kg. per person, but not more than half a ton per family. Money and household jewelry were not subject to withdrawal.
            Two copies of registration cards were drawn up for each family, where items seized during the search were noted. A receipt was issued for agricultural equipment, fodder, cattle to restore the economy in a new place of residence. The remaining movable and immovable property was copied.
      2. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 10 January 2017 17: 14
        +52
        I completely forgot the history, or most likely did not teach

        I think the story he knows

        Maybe he knows. But he is silent a lot ... For example, this ...
        “The attitude of the Chechens and Ingush to the Soviet regime was clearly expressed in desertion and evasion from conscription into the ranks of the Red Army. During the first mobilization in August 1941, out of 8000 people to be conscripted, 719 people deserted. In October 1941, 4733 out of 362 people evaded In January 1942, when the national division was formed, only 50 percent of its personnel were recruited.In March 1942, out of 14576 people deserted and evaded service, 13 people went into an illegal position, went to the mountains and joined the gangs In 560, out of 1943 volunteers, the number of deserters was 3000 "...
        This is an excerpt from a memo addressed to L.P. Beria compiled by the Deputy People's Commissar, State Security Commissar of the 2nd rank B.Z. Kobulov. It is this report that will serve as the starting point of Operation Chichevitsa ...
        1. Lavrenti Pavlovich
          Lavrenti Pavlovich 10 January 2017 17: 24
          +41
          Deportation is the most humane action of the leadership of the USSR during the Second World War.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 10 January 2017 18: 17
            +11
            Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
            Deportation is the most humane action of the leadership of the USSR during the Second World War.

            Yes, Stalin could have acted differently, there would be no one to curse.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 15 January 2017 10: 42
            0
            Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
            Deportation is the most humane action of the leadership of the USSR during the Second World War.

            Both children and the elderly?
        2. alekc73
          alekc73 10 January 2017 17: 39
          +2
          This is a story, but they are silent now. Unprofitable. Chechnya as part of Russia. Kadyrov is a hero of Russia. Who remembers the old .... you know yourself
          1. CorvusCoraks
            CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 18: 01
            +22
            Who will forget the old ...
          2. martin-159
            martin-159 10 January 2017 19: 33
            +3
            Nasser was also a Hero.
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 10 January 2017 18: 35
          +5
          Quote: Chicot 1
          Maybe he knows. But he is silent a lot ... For example, this ..

          Nearly 400 Chechens and Ingush participated in the heroic defense of the Brest Fortress. The machine gunner Khanpasha Nuradilov was posthumously awarded the star of the Hero of the Soviet Union - he personally destroyed 920 fascists. Half Chechen, half Kumyk - Hakim Ismailov - hoisted a banner over the Reichstag in Berlin. The cavalryman Movlid Visaitov became the first Soviet soldier to meet with allies - Americans - on the Elbe. Another legend of that time was the tanker Matash Mazaev. A graduate of the Kiev Artillery School, shortly before the start of the war, he was transferred to the tank troops on the T-26 - vehicles with weak armor, but very maneuverable. Having studied the tactics of tank combat, he created a school for the quick training of fighters, even called Mazayev Academy. During the retreat of Soviet troops near Przemysl at the beginning of the war, he was the only commander who not only went on the offensive, but managed to cross the border with Germany. The tactics of flank attacks developed by Mazaev were successfully used to combat tank wedges of German troops. He was introduced several times to the title of Hero, but during the retreat it was not before. Mazaev, about which one of his students wrote the book Prometheus in a Tank Helmet, died near Stalingrad.
          But if today we start a conversation about the participation of representatives of the peoples of the USSR in the Second World War, then from almost any Russian inhabitant you can hear the words that the Chechens were traitors, that they were waiting for the Germans to come, and even prepared a white horse for handing it to Hitler. The creation of such a false stereotype among the Russian layman was promoted by propaganda to discredit the image of the Chechen practically at the state level. Its final result was the current xenophobia of Russian society towards Chechens. The beginning of this propaganda was laid back in the 40s, when, to justify the eviction of Chechens and Ingush, they falsified data on the number of front-line soldiers and the number of Chechens who opposed the Soviet regime, including on the side of Germany.
          1. faiver
            faiver 10 January 2017 18: 52
            +5
            about the "very maneuverable" T-26 in more detail, can you?
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 10 January 2017 19: 45
              +2
              Quote: faiver
              about the "very maneuverable" T-26 in more detail, can you?

              The T-26 model of 1931 was fully consistent with the tasks assigned to it. Its maneuverable qualities and weapons fully fit into the concept of a light infantry tank.
              1. faiver
                faiver 10 January 2017 20: 00
                +6
                in the 31 year it corresponded to the concept of an infantry tank, but the infantry tanks never differed in maneuverability, the air-cooled engine hardly dragged the heavily loaded T-26,
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 11 January 2017 05: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: faiver
                  an air-cooled engine hardly dragged a heavy T-26,

                  Yes, in the process of further modernization, he was heavier. Roughly - from 7 to 10 tons.
          2. the most important
            the most important 10 January 2017 19: 26
            +8
            Quote: Bayonet
            almost 400 Chechens and Ingush participated in the heroic defense of the Brest Fortress. The machine gunner Khanpasha Nuradilov was posthumously awarded the star of the Hero of the Soviet Union - he personally destroyed 920 fascists.

            According to Wikipedia, the total losses of the Germans under the Brest Fortress amounted to 947 people, of which 63 officers ...
            1. CorvusCoraks
              CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 19: 58
              +4
              Well, the bayonet of all holy Chechens, of course, knows better, he is probably also an eyewitness to the events, so to speak firsthand)))
          3. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 10 January 2017 19: 35
            +15
            Quote: Bayonet
            Almost 400 Chechens and Ingush participated in the heroic defense of the Brest Fortress.

            Uh-huh ... only researchers from Chechnya found only 240 names of Chechens and Ingush who served in the units stationed in the fortress. And "400 Chechens" is from Alkhanov's speech in Soloviev's program.
            1. teder
              teder 10 January 2017 19: 52
              +3
              not only Chechens were expelled.
              1. Sorokin
                Sorokin 10 January 2017 20: 50
                +2
                Yeah, and the Meskhetian Turks and the Dag and Chelyabomans, etc., etc. I will be honest .. there was a majority there. I personally met with their descendants in! 987-89, too, but in a worse one at times.
                1. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 11 January 2017 14: 17
                  +2
                  Dagestanis were not expelled. From Dagestan, only Akkin Chechens were expelled.
                  Representatives of some Dagestan peoples, Kabardins, Circassians, Ossetians, Adyghe people could be evicted, but exclusively in an individual capacity. In general, there were no complaints against these peoples.
          4. martin-159
            martin-159 10 January 2017 19: 36
            +4
            And the Germans fought on our side, so what?
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 12 January 2017 20: 45
              0
              In a small amount, from among the ideological communists. Part of it is the children of the German Communist emigrants who saw Germany in early childhood or never lived there at all. Either as fighters of the propaganda front, or in special forces that performed reconnaissance and sabotage tasks.
          5. CorvusCoraks
            CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 19: 57
            +7
            I love fairy tales from a bayonet, they taught us here that
            Quote: Bayonet
            hoisted a banner over the Reichstag in Berlin
            Kantaria, Egorov, although they say that they are not the first. But no
            Quote: Bayonet
            Ismailov
            it didn’t even smell.

            Quote: Bayonet
            Its final result was the current xenophobia of Russian society towards Chechens. The beginning of this propaganda was laid back in the 40s, when, to justify the eviction of Chechens and Ingush, they falsified data on the number of front-line soldiers and the number of Chechens who opposed the Soviet regime, including on the side of Germany.

            I don’t believe that without a reason in wartime, the pre-war would be deported.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 15 January 2017 10: 44
              0
              Quote: CorvusCoraks
              Kantaria, Egorov, although they say that they are not the first.

              Not the first, Cantaria was "chosen" precisely because he is a Georgian, so that dad nice to do.
          6. Kolya
            Kolya 10 January 2017 20: 16
            +18
            And the Chechen gangs who racketed throughout the territory of the former USSR in the 90s, and still remain. Russians always got a knife in the back from the Chechens. Nevertheless, friendly Chechens have always been honored with good relations and respect. Kadyrov is the same small-town prince who, in the wake of the infusion of funds into Chechnya, became dizzy and self-esteem. The dagger that he wears, he will stick in the back of the Russian at the first opportunity.
            1. BecmepH
              BecmepH 11 January 2017 08: 28
              +4
              The dagger that he wears, he will stick in the back of the Russian at the first opportunity.
              I had a Dagestani soldier, a smart guy. So he recalled how in the first Chechen war they sheltered Chechen families, and then the same "gratitude" killed them ... His words: "Do not turn your back on the Chechen, he will stick a knife" ...
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 15 January 2017 10: 45
              0
              Quote: Kohl
              And the Chechen gangs who racketed throughout the territory of the former USSR in the 90s, and still remain

              I remember the dashing 90s Russians shot Russians.
          7. Morrow
            Morrow 10 January 2017 20: 55
            +3
            It is a myth. Where does this nonsense come from?
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 11 January 2017 16: 37
              +3
              Quote: Morrrow

              In addition, in the Caucasus, the rulers had a hobby: to beat Russia with their brow in order to beat their closest neighbor.
              alstr
              13 INVESTOR Yesterday, 17: 33 ↑
              And for that, let them all be damned !!
              https://topwar.ru/7613-vospominaniya-russkogo-rod
              ivshegosya-i-vyrosshego-v-chechne.html
              INVESTOR
              2 Sergey S. Today, 02: 56 ↑
              Quote: Vitalson
              I think he knows the story ...
              In addition to the competition in intellect and in the knowledge of the school course of history, there is also a super task ...

              All from the same place the wind blows. Have you read the history of Ancient Ukraine? The work of the same author. Or groups of authors. The State Department will pay good money, as in the film "Election Day" there are so many specialists and so many "archival" materials - and they will come up with a biography to anyone on the go and write a story to the whole people, and, most importantly, there will be a sea of ​​people who want to support and confirm any crap of authority !
          8. Gerard Roussillon
            Gerard Roussillon 10 January 2017 23: 02
            +3
            . The tactics of flank attacks developed by Mazaev were successfully used to combat tank wedges
            From it, it means the real last name of Guderian is Mazaev! !!
          9. vezdehodov
            vezdehodov 10 January 2017 23: 05
            +8
            Quote: Bayonet
            current xenophobia of Russian society towards Chechens

            The current xenophobia of Russian society towards Chechens is not due to propaganda, just the same with respect to our society this technique does not work. It comes from simple everyday situations, from historical memory, from the army’s experience of communication. Does anyone argue that among the Vainakhs there are a lot of very worthy, honest and brave people, the same Sazhi Umalatova, the first Hero of Russia Sulambek Oskanov. Nobody argues that many heroes fell from fascist bullets and shells. But think would the country's leadership organize such a complex and costly operation if it did not see a direct threat to the interests of the state? (Incidentally, a brilliantly performed operation, which, in case of an error, could have ended with a lot of blood) It was easier to drive everyone behind one barbed fence and starve them to death with hunger, gas, and bullets "they are bloodthirsty." According to the court, every tenth luminary was charged with the 58th article for treason, and every fourth - aiding or harboring. And this is either execution, or camps, at best a dozen, where the ground does not thaw even in summer. But at that time there was a war. So whatever Ramzan says, his methods in relation to his opponents and their families are much cooler than those of Stalin, but nevertheless, the Vainakhs still run away to the mountains to the terrorists. So think about whether Stalin was so wrong, maybe just the opposite, Stalin gave this people a chance to rehabilitate his honest name, many Vainakhs admitted that he was right, many are simply afraid to say this, even to themselves. Many will never admit this and are waiting for the next moment to start a blood feud. Such stupidity looks like another attempt of a dark man who imagines himself to be a great Nokhchi, to fight a long-dead man. Churchill, at one time, said well about one of these.
            And in the link below, a little about other "heroes" of that time, and about what preceded the operation "Lentil".
            http://communist.ucoz.ru/news/operacija_chechevic
            a_31_janvarja_1944_goda_bylo_prinjato_postanovlen
            ie_gko_sssr_n_5073/2014-02-01-1776
          10. Svetlana
            Svetlana 11 January 2017 16: 22
            +8
            Quote: Bayonet
            Almost 400 Chechens and Ingush participated in the heroic defense of the Brest Fortress.

            72 years have passed since the time of the heroic defense of the Brest Fortress, but disputes about it still flare up to now. The loudest voices in them are representatives of Chechnya, who are doing their best to prove the decisive role of their compatriots in protecting the serf bastions and find in this highly patriotic endeavor many selfless allies. For example, Julia Latynina shoved into one of her fighters a story about how proud Vainakhs already danced on the dhikr fortifications before the Germans in November of the 1941, and those who were stunned by an unprecedented sight could not get into them. Director Alexander Kott tried to shove the story of the Chechen NKVD battalion into the film "Brest Fortress", which declared jihad to Hitler and attacked the enemy with only engineer blades. However, the evil president of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, demanded that the episode be confirmed by documents, and the nonsense from Kott had to be thrown out ... In Grozny, they did not come to terms with failure, and the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, personally entered into the discussion, immediately embracing the authority of the president of Russia.

            “In September of the 2004 of the year at the Valdai forum“ Russia at the Turn of the Century: Hopes and Realities ”, Vladimir Putin opened his eyes to the city and the world with a statement that the defense of Brest almost a third consisted of Chechens and Ingush. - Notified Ramzan Akhmatovich readers of Izvestia. - In Soviet times, the fact of their participation in the defense of the Brest Fortress was hushed up. For the first time, the theme of the participation of Chechens and Ingush in the defense of the legendary citadel was raised in his book “Brest - a Fire Nut” by the Chechen writer Khalid Oshaev. Based on archival data and evidence of the defenders of the fortress, he established the names 300 of her heroes from among the Chechens. They served in almost all parts of the Brest garrison, especially in the 125 and 333 regiments. ”

            Kadyrov’s enthusiasm is understandable. The former president of Chechnya, Alu Alkhanov, claimed that the fortress was defended by 436 Ingush and Chechens, other public figures spoke of 300 − 400 countrymen, and here at once a third of the garrison, that is, almost a thousand 2,7! True, there are no documents confirming this data, and so far the only relatively reliable source about Vainakhs in the Brest Fortress is a list compiled by Khalid Oshaev, deputy director of the Chechen-Ingush Scientific-Research Institute of History, Language and Literature, to which Kadyrov refers. However, a closer examination of this list reveals that we cannot speak of any 300 Chechen defense participants in the citadel.
            The names mentioned in the 275 list do not belong to Chechens, but to natives of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, many of whom are neither Chechens nor Ingush. Among them, 37 Russians, 2 Adyghe, 2 Jews, 2 Tatar, Austrian, Armenian and Kumyk - all 46 people. Secondly, the military men listed by Oshaev are not participants in the defense of the Brest Fortress, but soldiers who are deployed in the Brest region of the 6 and 42 rifle divisions, and a number of separate units. Meanwhile, of the 18 rifle battalions, 2 reconnaissance battalions and 14 artillery divisions of the 6 and 42 rifle divisions deployed in the Brest area, less than half participated in the defense of the fortress - 8 rifle and 1 reconnaissance battalions with XNUM If we assume that all the 2 Ingush and Chechens mentioned by Oshaev served near Brest, then no more than a hundred soldiers were inside the fortifications on the morning of the 229 on June, June, but rather less - some of the defendants did not have a service place at all.
            Fully: http://svpressa.ru/blogs/article/69848/
          11. MrK
            MrK 11 January 2017 20: 24
            +2
            Quote: Bayonet
            Its final result was the current xenophobia of Russian society towards Chechens.


            Colleague. It is very difficult to incite persistent hostility on a national basis in the Russian people. The current hostility to the Caucasians resembles anger at a brother who is outrageous in the family. Will cease to be outrageous - anger will also disappear.
            Therefore, no need for xenophobia.
        4. alstr
          alstr 10 January 2017 22: 58
          +5
          It should be added that in Chechnya and Dagestan, starting with the departure of Denikin, there was not a year without the attacks of uprisings. Although it must be admitted that some of them were caused by not thought-out policies and actions all in all, but nonetheless.
          For example, "In 1940-1941, on the eve of the Great Patriotic War, the activation of bandit groups began, which especially intensified with the entry of the German army to the close approaches to Moscow in the fall of 1941. From January 1 to June 22, 1941, 31 cases of insurrectionary manifestations were recorded, and by September 3, 1941 - 40 more. From July 10 to October 10, 1941, 5 bandit groups were liquidated. 10 large gangs continued to operate actively. 708 deserters were on the wanted list. "
          In addition, in the Caucasus, the rulers had a hobby: to beat Russia with their brow in order to beat their closest neighbor.
      3. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 10 January 2017 17: 33
        +14
        And for that, let them all be damned !!
        https://topwar.ru/7613-vospominaniya-russkogo-rod
        ivshegosya-i-vyrosshego-v-chechne.html
      4. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 11 January 2017 02: 56
        +4
        Quote: Vitalson
        I think he knows the story ...

        In addition to the competition in intellect and in the knowledge of the school course of history, there is also a super task ...
        By and large, such a separation of opinions and such a harsh reaction speaks only about one thing: society is still very far from consensus on historical issues and views on the history of the Fatherland.

        conclusions on the article, albeit trivial. but notice. that the current situation clearly does not suit very many in power ...
        Now they periodically lose their nerves ...
        And where, according to all the canons, they should be silent, they say too much ...

        Now it's not about politics. but on the merits.
        Kadyrov must be understood ... In his place, many would have expressed themselves in this way ...
        We have in VO, such in every branch in all directions ...
        But here is a politically significant figure ...

        Deportation. as a phenomenon in the Middle Ages would be quite appropriate - the great migration of peoples would be worse than the Stalinist deportation. Then they just went to war to extermination, and entire tribes, peoples fled from their native land to where they could already establish themselves and extinguish themselves ... by any means ....
        The world has changed today. and in the 21st century, such methods are unacceptable - there are no such places on the globe where one could squeeze out "extra" or unwanted people ... ISIS turns out to be on its own.
        So deportations were among the most cruel and illegal actions ...
        I suppose that soon the other negative phenomena of today will suffer the same fate.
        And in the first place is the criminality of the "community", in general, national or religious criminal formations.
        These people will be outlawed. rather, the laws will be so transformed that foreigners, if they suspect belonging to criminal groups, will simply be shot ....

        Then something else new in the legal plan will be legalized ....
        What then will Kadyrov write?
        I suppose that deportation will cease to be the most terrible evil, and not Stalin will be damned ...

        In order for the Chechens to live well, safely, joyfully ... one must not reason with cliches, but understand the reality and plan the future.
        And more.
        The most promising policy is always based on respect and worship of the past.
        Chechens can achieve much more in the historical process if they absorb all the achievements of world civilization. And this is quite another ... Nothing has been written about this ...
        And it would be time to sort it out ...
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 11 January 2017 08: 35
          +3
          In order for the Chechens to live well, safely, joyfully ... one must not reason with cliches, but understand the reality and plan the future.
          Ah, he doesn’t live like that? Doing nothing ...
      5. user
        user 11 January 2017 21: 40
        0
        I think the story he knows


        Well, if he doesn’t know, they prompted him, and now instead of mass betrayal, they present themselves as victims of Stalinist repressions. Although in another country they would simply have been brought to the nearest wall and there would have been no casualties, but there would have been a shooting for betraying the oath. Then they took the oath.
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 10 January 2017 16: 55
      +29
      What the hell, "forget", if he did not know this ever!
      If his dad had said that, it would have been a POSITION with which one could agree or challenge. And if it is said by someone who, on his own skin, has not experienced it, then it looks like a muffled breach from the gateway: "Here I am, listen to me, everyone who has a good ear - I am and I can be woof-woof-woof !!! "
      If this is "for their own" then figs with him, and if a division begins to form under this slogan, then an adequate response is needed, and this is already a matter for the competent authorities ...
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 10 January 2017 21: 27
        +7
        Quote: Bayonet
        The beginning of this propaganda was laid back in the 40s, when, to justify the eviction of Chechens and Ingush, they falsified data on the number of front-line soldiers and the number of Chechens who opposed the Soviet regime, including on the side of Germany.

        Before writing this, you should have familiarized yourself with the reports of the republican NKVD during the war (at least ... during the war ...). They are in the public domain. Then maybe you will understand that in the aggregate of what they did, the Soviet leadership could conduct a tough counter-partisan operation , in order to disarm or liquidate the bandit underground and tear it away from the supporting local population. But they found a way out and instead of protracted hostilities on uncomfortable terrain, they cost little blood and simply resettled these "proud and freedom-loving mountaineers." was to give everything to the front, and not shoot at the representatives of the authorities, then no one would have touched them) Someday this "pride" will come out sideways. I myself have a negative attitude towards Stalin's personality, but deportation during such a terrible war is the most humane thing that could with them happen. The same Americans, for example, in humanism would not play when the fate of the country was at stake. This is 100%.
      2. BecmepH
        BecmepH 11 January 2017 08: 36
        +1
        If this is "for their own" then figs with him, and if a division begins to form under this slogan, then an adequate response is needed, and this is already a matter for the competent authorities ...
        I also thought about it ... Is this a trial ball?
    3. vezdehodov
      vezdehodov 10 January 2017 16: 59
      +53
      Kicking a dead lion, little courage, but worthy of jackals.
      1. reservist
        reservist 10 January 2017 17: 50
        +27
        I agree, even with all the ambiguity of the personality of Joseph Vissarionovich ...
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 10 January 2017 18: 19
        +3
        Quote: vezdehodov
        Kicking a dead lion, little courage but worthy of jackals

        What kind of lion are you talking about - Trotsky? wink
        1. vezdehodov
          vezdehodov 10 January 2017 18: 32
          +8
          In your case, I would write Leibu yes
          1. igor67
            igor67 10 January 2017 19: 26
            +2
            Quote: vezdehodov
            In your case, I would write Leibu yes

            Lion translating into hebrew means heart
            1. vezdehodov
              vezdehodov 10 January 2017 21: 17
              +1
              Quote: igor67
              Quote: vezdehodov
              In your case, I would write Leibu yes

              Lion translating into hebrew means heart

              I am not interested in how the word heart sounds in Hebrew. They asked me: did I mean Trotsky in my phrase? I replied that in that case I would have mentioned instead of the word "lion" the word - "Leiba", that's all request
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 10 January 2017 19: 49
            +4
            Quote: vezdehodov
            In your case, I would write Leibu

            Well, if you like Leib more, then Bronstein, not Trotsky! hi
            1. vezdehodov
              vezdehodov 10 January 2017 21: 21
              +1
              What does Trotsky and Bronstein have to do with it? In the phrase I quoted, a lion was mentioned, just a lion. I would like to remember Trotsky would say Leo or Leib. lol
        2. The brightest
          The brightest 11 January 2017 06: 27
          +2
          Quote: Bayonet
          What kind of lion are you talking about - Trotsky?

          Who about what, and lousy about the bath ...
    4. Monos
      Monos 10 January 2017 17: 02
      +48
      Stalin, like any other powerful historical figure, is an ambiguous person. Accordingly, the attitude towards him is ambiguous. Millions of people in the 1953 year mourned his death, and someone rejoiced. Each has its own assessment of that period. My grandmother was repressed, my father was left an orphan, but I consider Stalin’s role to be crucial for our country in the first half of the 20 century.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 January 2017 17: 27
        +13
        Quote: Monos
        Millions of people in 1953 mourned his death,

        How recently in North Korea? Yes it was. I don’t remember the current cases of flight from the hell of South Korea, but the cases of flight from the paradise of North are the mass.
        1. Monos
          Monos 10 January 2017 17: 34
          +11
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          How recently in North Korea? Yes it was. I don’t remember the current cases of flight from the hell of South Korea, but the cases of flight from the paradise of North are the mass.

          So I say: people have a different attitude towards Stalin. And each assessment will be true, because the personality is multifaceted and ambiguous.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 January 2017 17: 40
            +5
            Quote: Monos
            And every estimate will be true,

            One says -2 + 2 = 4, and the other says -2 + 2 = 3. Are both right The first time I’m hearing about the existence of 2x truths.
            1. CorvusCoraks
              CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 18: 02
              +10
              Everyone has their own truth, the truth is always the same, but there are countless points of view.
              1. Suhov
                Suhov 10 January 2017 20: 36
                +6
                Quote: CorvusCoraks
                Everyone has their own truth, the truth is always the same, but there are countless points of view.

                - How many will be two and two?
                - Do we buy or sell?
                smile
            2. Monos
              Monos 10 January 2017 18: 06
              +12
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              One says -2 + 2 = 4, and the other says -2 + 2 = 3. Are both right The first time I’m hearing about the existence of 2x truths.

              Anyone who says "2 + 2 = 4" just knows arithmetic, unlike the second. The analogy is not appropriate.
              And there are much more "truths" than 2. The concept is purely subjective. Only Truth is one.
              Philosophy, however ...
            3. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 10 January 2017 18: 38
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Monos
              And every estimate will be true,

              One says -2 + 2 = 4, and the other says -2 + 2 = 3. Are both right The first time I’m hearing about the existence of 2x truths.

              And you about Yeltsin ask Chubais, Naina and the people and there will be 10 truths. And who ... ak?
            4. the most important
              the most important 10 January 2017 19: 31
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              The first time I’m hearing about the existence of 2 truths.

              Each has its own truth ... this is the truth and differs from the Truth !!! the truth is always one!
            5. sergo1914
              sergo1914 10 January 2017 19: 34
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Monos
              And every estimate will be true,

              One says -2 + 2 = 4, and the other says -2 + 2 = 3. Are both right The first time I’m hearing about the existence of 2x truths.


              Right. The truth is one. And in this matter she is not on your side.
              1. insular
                insular 11 January 2017 01: 02
                +1
                Quote: sergo1914
                Right. The truth is one. And in this matter she is not on your side

                Truth ceased to be one after the formulation of the theory of relativity. Everything in our world is relative and it is an objective reality.
                In sociology, as in physics, there are poles of force that have their own attractive forces, their own space-time frames that are distorted in places, their own gravitational waves, etc. And all forces can be neglected in some conditions to predict or justify the process.
                Well, just a classic service station
            6. Kolya
              Kolya 10 January 2017 20: 28
              +2
              Our truth is based on the precepts of Alexander Nevsky, Kutuzov and other great Russian leaders. And to listen to the truth of Kadyrov is our betrayal of the covenants of our great ancestors.
            7. Slender Reed
              Slender Reed 10 January 2017 20: 36
              +12
              Vysotsky to the death of Stalin:

              My oath

              Girded with ribbons
              Moscow plunged into silence,
              Her sorrow for the leader is deep
              Heart pain squeezes melancholy.

              I am walking among the stream of people
              Woe to my heart
              I'm going to take a quick look.
              On the leader of a dear man ...

              My terrible fire burns my eyes
              And I do not believe black trouble
              A constant groan presses the chest,
              Crying heart about a wise leader.

              There is a funeral march
              The violins groan and the hearts moan,
              I at the tomb swear not to forget
              Dear leader and father.

              I swear: I will keep up
              With a friendly, strong and fraternal family,
              I will carry the bright banner
              What did you give us, Stalin native.

              In these sadly hard days
              I swear at your grave
              Do not spare their young strength
              For my great fatherland.

              The name Stalin will live for centuries,
              It will fly over the earth
              Name Stalin will shine for us
              The eternal sun and the eternal star.
              1953


              Only scoundrels and rascals thought otherwise. And they think to this day.

              By the way. How many refugees from S. Korea do you know? How harmful is the economic blockade to the welfare of North Koreans?
              Where did you get the idea that nobody fells from South Korea?
              1. vezdehodov
                vezdehodov 10 January 2017 21: 08
                +4
                Quote: Slender Reed
                Only scoundrels and rascals thought otherwise. And they think to this day.

                By the way. How many refugees from S. Korea do you know? How harmful is the economic blockade to the welfare of North Koreans?
                Where did you get the idea that nobody fells from South Korea?

                Well said.
                I personally know several North Koreans, excellent disciplined hardworking guys who love their homeland and work for its benefit in difficult conditions. Plow and do not complain. And they believe in what they do. Not a couple of many of us.
            8. insular
              insular 11 January 2017 00: 45
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              -2 + 2 = 4, and the other says -2 + 2 = 3

              Romanov, as it were -2 + 2 = 0 ... When two idiots argue, as in your example, then mathematics becomes more wonderful and more wonderful.
              When more than everything depends on the point of view, then 9 suddenly becomes 6.
              The point of view plays a key role, even in mathematics (which of the approximations is correct - the calculator chooses. Using the coefficient and rounding accuracy is the discretion of the calculator). Well, about the fact that the world is not black and white, it’s also adult to write something dumb. You are now writing a vile provocation, and I understand this, but you need to take a dash.
            9. Stanislas
              Stanislas 11 January 2017 15: 17
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              One says -2 + 2 = 4, and the other says -2 + 2 = 3.
              Not this way. One has 2 + 2 = 4, the other -2 + 2 = 0, and the third -2 + -2 = -4. If some terms are seen and evaluated (+ and -) differently, then the amounts will differ.
        2. Pirogov
          Pirogov 10 January 2017 17: 40
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          How recently in North Korea? Yes it was. I don’t remember the current cases of flight from the hell of South Korea, but the cases of flight from the paradise of North are the mass.

          But not in a water country, students hate their leaders so much as in South Korea, and the rest are kept quiet in a rag. Like South Korea you want to work like two horses, forward.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 January 2017 17: 47
            +5
            Quote: Pirogov
            Like South Korea you want to work like two horses, forward.

            Well, in Ukraine it’s more visible to you than to me.
            Welcome to North Korea, although you are already there.
            1. Pirogov
              Pirogov 10 January 2017 18: 39
              +14
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, in Ukraine it’s more visible to you than to me.
              Welcome to North Korea, although you are already there.

              On the question of Korea, the South knows better, my brother has been working there for five years. Yes, and judging by your comments, you will soon have to look for a cockpit, judging by the comments. hope to dump in the usa.? Write off, otherwise you may not be in time.
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 10 January 2017 18: 17
            +3
            Quote: Pirogov
            But not in a water country, students hate their leaders so much as in South Korea, and the rest are kept quiet in a rag. Like South Korea you want to work like two horses, forward.

            Judging by the spelling, are you from North Korea? smile
            1. Pirogov
              Pirogov 10 January 2017 18: 32
              +12
              Quote: Bayonet
              Judging by the spelling, are you from North Korea?

              And we are simple as we like and write! And you are very smart, so teach children!
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 10 January 2017 19: 52
                +1
                Quote: Pirogov
                And we are simple as we like and write!

                I understand that for the simple there are no rules, norms and moral principles request
                1. Pirogov
                  Pirogov 10 January 2017 20: 03
                  +4
                  Quote: Bayonet
                  I understand that for the simple there are no rules, norms and moral principles

                  And what moral principles did I break? But since you are a provocateur! I will give you joy, violate the moral principles, so to speak, and ask you if your wife apparently didn’t give you today or is this all bad? And you probably don’t know where to go, so I'll tell you go to Helsinki!?. I think we simple brought you joy to scientists.
                  1. Bayonet
                    Bayonet 11 January 2017 16: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Pirogov
                    I think we simple brought you joy to scientists.

                    Simplicity is worse than theft! It’s so easy to do such a thing that three smart people don’t rake!
                    My wife laughed at your pearls for a long time laughing
                    1. Pirogov
                      Pirogov 11 January 2017 21: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: Bayonet
                      Simplicity is worse than theft! It’s so easy to do such a thing that three smart people don’t rake!
                      My wife laughed at your pearls for a long time

                      The fact that my wife laughed is good! Bayonet finish smart! We are expressing our opinion on the site. Do you agree with him, you can put a plus, or pass by, I haven’t canceled the cons, do I write correctly or not, what’s the matter for you? Do you want to look smart at the expense of me? I repeat teach children.
          3. 97110
            97110 10 January 2017 21: 03
            0
            Quote: Pirogov
            not a water country students hate so much

            Dear, there is an opportunity to edit the text after publication. Or write on a mov so that you don’t suffer - you can’t mock native speakers of the Russian language like that.
            1. potroshenko
              potroshenko 11 January 2017 16: 49
              +1
              Quote: 97110
              Or write on mov so as not to suffer

              There is no such spelling in the Ukrainian language, a person does not know how to write.
              1. 97110
                97110 11 January 2017 19: 33
                0
                Quote: potroshenko
                In the Ukrainian language

                I will not try to understand what is written.
              2. Pirogov
                Pirogov 11 January 2017 21: 31
                +1
                Quote: potroshenko
                There is no such spelling in the Ukrainian language, a person does not know how to write.

                Curled up ?! Well done!
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 10 January 2017 17: 50
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          How recently in North Korea? Yes it was. I don’t remember the current cases of flight from the hell of South Korea, but the cases of flight from the paradise of North are the mass.

          Romanov remind me how many people in search of a better life moved from Europe to the Russian Empire under Nicholas 2. smile
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 January 2017 17: 57
            +6
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Romanov remind me how many people in search of a better life moved from Europe to the Russian Empire under Nicholas 2.

            Millions, after his death, left Russia. Under the USSR they regularly fled, and now they are returning.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 10 January 2017 17: 58
              +9
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Millions, after his death, left Russia. Under the USSR they regularly fled, and now they are returning.

              That is, you have nothing to say.
        4. RUSS
          RUSS 15 January 2017 10: 48
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          . I don’t remember the current cases of flight from the hell of South Korea, but the cases of flight from the paradise of North are the mass.

          We have a new topic in Moscow suburbs, guest workers from North Korea have appeared, I work for a penny in terrible conditions, but are still happy. How then is it sucks in their homeland?
      2. Yura
        Yura 10 January 2017 17: 32
        +29
        Quote: Monos
        Millions of people in 1953 mourned his death, and someone rejoiced. Each has its own assessment of that period.

        Our family was also repressed, but my father was ill 73 or 74 years old, once said, Stalin must, Stalin. It was his reaction to the gaining power at the time, nepotism, mutual responsibility, to the growth in our lives of the influence of various kinds of tradesmen, storekeepers, supply managers and dentists, and others in whose hands material values ​​turned out, and especially he was infuriated with burrs. He himself was a simple worker, a locksmith and a jack of all trades.
      3. MrK
        MrK 11 January 2017 20: 38
        +1
        Quote: Monos
        but I consider Stalin’s role to be crucial for our country in the first half of the 20 century

        I agree.
        It is said that when Stalin died, the entire adult population of the USSR was sobbing sobbing. I think if people could imagine who would replace Stalin in 40-50 years, the country would be drowned in tears ...

        We are a scum country, if a person who has done as much for her as no head of state has done for her receives the most flattering assessments only from his enemies! And compatriots are stupidly talking about some “Stalin crimes”. Maybe the truth is to mix with Muslims and Chinese? Suddenly, what will happen in the end, will the people learn to respect their greats? They say that both those and others are very developed ...
    5. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 10 January 2017 17: 04
      +37
      To him, to a personality of the scale of Stalin, he would never rise, they would not have raised uprisings in the rear, at the critical moment of World War II, no one would have touched them.
      1. Mystery12345
        Mystery12345 10 January 2017 17: 14
        +33
        Kadyrov in the social network published a curse on Stalin
        Ramzan apparently decided that he was worthy of Joseph Vissarionovich, having restored the republic with free money, and not with the labor of his citizens, as was the case under Stalin, who restored the Empire.
      2. vezdehodov
        vezdehodov 10 January 2017 17: 18
        +21
        All of them are well aware and understand why their peoples were evicted. Although according to the law of the USSR (Article 58 of the Criminal Code) it was supposed to either shoot, or a dozen at least. Chechens should erect monuments to Stalin, if Khrushchev would have drowned the Caucasus in blood in his place.
        1. Navigator Basov
          Navigator Basov 10 January 2017 19: 21
          +2
          And the blood-soaked earth would be planted with corn.
    6. cap
      cap 10 January 2017 17: 11
      +16
      Quote: 210ox
      Something he began to forget .. He completely forgot the story, or most likely did not teach.


      It’s not even a matter of history. For a general, the hero of Russia, who received absolute power from his father, a visionary politician and leader by nature, such a statement would simply pop out without thinking what it might lead to. This image will definitely not add to him. Something reminiscent of driving young people in Gelendvagen, I hope not employees, the FSB.
      That something like this. hi
    7. fa2998
      fa2998 10 January 2017 17: 13
      +7
      And why did he confuse something? There was no deportation of Chechens and other peoples? They took ALL indiscriminately and guilty and innocent villages and grandfathers and children. So why should he love Stalin? request
      RS - in my comments sometimes "gets" to Kadyrov, but in this he is right, he expressed his feelings! hi
      1. isker
        isker 10 January 2017 17: 30
        +27
        Toka Adyn Vapros, you are (not) ours:
        - And what, deportation to Chechens - was soldered for beautiful eyes or invented from the ceiling?

        So - it’s necessary to sit and not shine! ..
      2. Lavrenti Pavlovich
        Lavrenti Pavlovich 10 January 2017 17: 33
        +28
        Stalin - The greatest personality of the 20th century. Deportation is the most humane solution for bandits, evaders and potential traitors. Before the Second World War, they did the stripping of nationalists in western Ukraine, apparently they did poorly since these geeks were so fruitful.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 10 January 2017 18: 14
          +6
          Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
          Lavrenty Pavlovich Today, 17:33 ↑ New
          Stalin - The greatest personality of the 20th century.

          Lavrentiy! Did you seem to be shot?
      3. Navigator Basov
        Navigator Basov 10 January 2017 19: 20
        +5
        Not all were exported, they simply could not export all, since there were also those who valiantly fought in the Red Army.
        From the beginning of the war until January 1944, 55 gangs were eliminated in the republic, 973 of their members were killed, 1901 people were arrested. The NKVD registered in the territory of Chechen-Ingushetia consisted of 150 — 200 gangs numbering 2 — 3 thousands of people (approximately 0,5% of the population). Moreover, many Chechens and Ingush valiantly fought in the Red Army, 2300 (approximately 0,5% of the population) Chechens and Ingush died at the front. According to various sources, from the 250 to 400 immigrants from Chechen-Ingushetia participated in the defense of the Brest Fortress.

        And so yes, indiscriminately everyone who is not at the front, that was the essence of deportation to prevent gangster, collaborationist, sabotage, anti-Soviet and separatist activities led by Hassan Izrailov and Osman Gube. A measure of wartime, you know, and even humane. Of the 731,7 thousand population of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (including 205,8 thousand Russian, that is, it can be assumed that 252,9 thousand people were deported from 493,3 thousand of the Caucasian population). 6544 gangsters hid in the mountains and evaded deportation, after which 80 gangs still acted.
    8. Dimontius
      Dimontius 10 January 2017 17: 17
      +5
      Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Gorbachev ... but what's the difference now? Stop digging into history, it's time to build it yourself! And then the Nightingale won almost every program: "Why did the USSR collapse, who is to blame, how is it?" GOT IT !!!! The young generation is deeply purple with all these grates about the past. Whoever has an interest let him study. Therefore, the country is slowly becoming modern, because we are talking only about the past. Everybody is afraid to even open a damn tent with hot dogs, it is as if some people will come to them, but you try !!!!
    9. alekc73
      alekc73 10 January 2017 17: 35
      +8
      Ramzan in his tumultuous youth ran around the mountains, there was no time to study history. Kalashnikov’s automatic hi
    10. stas
      stas 10 January 2017 17: 39
      +29
      These mountain wolves (or dzhigits) always look how to escape into the forest.
      Forget, get the next Chechen war ..
      This hero in vain with the dead is afraid of horns.
      What the Chechens did in the 41-44 years, many know that Stalin did the right thing at that difficult time, and it’s not for Ramzan to judge him.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 January 2017 17: 46
        +3
        Quote: stas
        Forget, get the next Chechen war ..

        Personally participated in it?
    11. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 January 2017 18: 09
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      . I completely forgot the history, or most likely did not teach.

      If I forgot, I would not say anything!
    12. Donhapa
      Donhapa 10 January 2017 19: 55
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      Something he began to forget .. He completely forgot the story, or most likely did not teach.

      M-yes ... And what do the lovers of the Chechen head say? ..
    13. FlyEngine
      FlyEngine 10 January 2017 19: 58
      +5
      Deported and did the right thing - we did not need traitors.
    14. Juborg
      Juborg 10 January 2017 20: 42
      0
      puppet!
    15. Bastinda
      Bastinda 11 January 2017 10: 02
      +3
      "Hyenas and cowards and brave men
      They chew without any fancy,
      But they do not blur the names of the dead:
      This is the business of the people. "R. Kipling
    16. RUSS
      RUSS 15 January 2017 10: 21
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      Something he began to forget

      What is it like? He does not have the right to a personal opinion?
  2. mole
    mole 10 January 2017 16: 48
    +6
    I hope in 50 years no one will allow such stupidity to Kadyrov himself.
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 18: 16
      +8
      ohh, I think much hotter facts will come out about him.
    2. Sauron80
      Sauron80 10 January 2017 20: 15
      +5
      After 50 years, no one will remember him.
      1. mole
        mole 10 January 2017 20: 22
        +1
        Well, if your words are prophetic! Otherwise, monuments will be erected and streets with avenues will be called.
        1. CorvusCoraks
          CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 20: 31
          0
          And in St. Petersburg, the bridge was named after Kadyrov Sr.?
          1. mole
            mole 10 January 2017 20: 32
            0
            The official version in honor of the elder.
  3. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 10 January 2017 16: 49
    +43
    This shows us Kadyrov is a near man truly, anyone can kick a dead lion, it would be better to read the story, how many highlanders gladly rushed to lick the ass of the Nazis, how they began to clearly and secretly harm the army - the Chechens have something to obey.
    1. veteran66
      veteran66 10 January 2017 17: 03
      +17
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      it would be better to read the story of how many highlanders gladly rushed to lick the ass of the Nazis

      I don’t understand these Chechens moaning about their deportation. According to the then laws, the traitors of the motherland were shot, and the CSIR, at least 10 camps (I will not discuss the correctness of this law, but it was) Instead, they were sent into exile, much more humane.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 10 January 2017 20: 00
        +7
        Quote: veteran66
        I don’t understand these Chechens moaning about their deportation. According to the then the laws the traitors of the motherland are shot, and the CSIR, at least 10 camps


        This is the essence: arrived contrary to laws of that time, i.e. deported, but it was necessary to act according to law, especially war time. Although they would have shot even tens (hundreds) of thousands, no one would have squeaked today: everything has been done LAWY.
        And did illegally for DOESN'T EXIST collective Liability
        Quote: veteran66
        Instead, they were sent into exile, much more humane.


        you need to know that HALF of the deportees is CHILDREN. And also the elderly, the disabled. women. This is not the warriors, but they suffered, they died, first of all, they.
        And the bandits who honestly deserved the bullet remained alive and well.

        So more humane and it was more correct punish by law military
        time
        but specific perpetrators.
    2. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 10 January 2017 17: 36
      +19
      "When I die, a lot of rubbish will be put on my grave, but the wind of time will ruthlessly scatter it" (IV Stalin)
      1. leshiy076
        leshiy076 11 January 2017 01: 02
        +5

        Was in december 2016
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 15 January 2017 10: 51
          0
          Quote: leshiy076
          Was in december 2016

          And there are a lot of freaks there?
  4. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 10 January 2017 16: 49
    +34
    What an emotional and ill-considered step ... I did not think, Ramzan Kadyrovich (or his speechwriters did not think) that very many between him and Stalin would be guaranteed to choose Stalin, the already inflated and tainted rating of Kadyrov Jr. would slide downhill ...
    Yes, and for Russian history, the figure and accomplishments of Stalin are far more important and grander than the figure and accomplishments of Kadyrov ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 15 January 2017 10: 54
      0
      Quote: Chicot 1
      What an emotional and ill-conceived step.

      Who decided that? Is he speechless? On the contrary, a strong statement!
      Quote: Chicot 1
      didn’t think) that very many between him and Stalin are guaranteed to choose Stalin

      Is he going to the polls and in his rivals is Stalin? And here is the choice?
      Quote: Chicot 1
      Kadyrov Jr.’s already inflated and promoted rating will safely roll downhill ...

      Does Kadyrov need a rating, why?
  5. Dezinto
    Dezinto 10 January 2017 16: 50
    +23
    Oh, what all the willing began to be promoted with the help of these scripts on the bird's pages.
    Farted in a puddle and nnn — but to you — tore the blogosphere into flaps! Ugh, you yo-mine.

    He’s sitting now, probably watching the competition of likes with dislikes, neighs and the kibab eats. Ohhh, they talk about Ramzanchik!
  6. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 10 January 2017 16: 58
    +32
    Let him curse himself, thug. Stalin deported for treason. And it was necessary to shoot.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 January 2017 17: 28
      +5
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      Stalin deported for treason.

      And whom did the Russians betray in 37?
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 10 January 2017 17: 35
        +23
        And where in the 37 year were the Russians deported? laughing
        Alexander, don't tell me. I worked in the archive, where the cases of the repressed are kept))) Something about 95 thousand storage units. He laughed heartily at the cries of "bloody 37g."
        1. Mark Berger
          Mark Berger 10 January 2017 17: 41
          +5
          And what else do descendants of the guard want to do when they don’t laugh at prisoners?
          1. Navigator Basov
            Navigator Basov 10 January 2017 18: 04
            +5
            Laugh at offended emigrants yet.
          2. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat 10 January 2017 19: 42
            +10
            you would not be rude, you look and would pass for a smart one. I laughed not at the prisoners, but at those like you, the screechers about the "bloody 37th". Just a couple of examples describing 80 percent of cases:
            1. Baker, went according to Art. 58-9 ("for anecdote"). We are looking at the case, and there the main articles are not 58, but "Banditry". The baker was in the gang))) Well, as far as I remember, he got only 8 years.
            2. Pop. You know, in our city priests are canonized in bulk, who were shot under Stalin or imprisoned in camps, where they, from being unaccustomed to work, huddled together))). So, how the nonized priest received a term (15 years, it seems) for "participating in a gang and keeping weapons in a church." Well, and therefore, as an accomplice in the affairs of the gang, on whose conscience there were 2 killed representatives of the authorities and several civilians. If you ask yourself the trouble to look at the attitude of Orthodoxy to weapons in the church, you will understand that the priest is as much a Christian as I am - an Amyrykan. Moreover, he had 5 rifles and a machine gun in a cache in the altar under the tabernacle.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 January 2017 17: 45
          +6
          Quote: Stroibat stock
          And where in the 37 year were the Russians deported?
          In the camps, others in the Far East voluntarily forcibly.
          Quote: Stroibat stock
          ) Something about 95 thousand storage units. He laughed heartily at the cries of "bloody 37g."

          Laugh at the warped destinies of people ??? Laughing at my grandmothers too? She was exiled to the wilderness because she was in occupied territory. Laugh further
          1. peta locksmith
            peta locksmith 10 January 2017 18: 15
            +16
            Your grandmother (blessed memory of her) in 1937 was in the occupied territory?
            Well, what state was the territory?
            Maybe you, Komrad Romanov, were mistaken in the desire to expose everyone and everything?
            1. just exp
              just exp 10 January 2017 21: 24
              0
              maybe there was a galician?
          2. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat 10 January 2017 19: 47
            +9
            Alexander, do not confuse laughter at those who demonize Stalin and those who "sat down". And if your grandmother was "exiled to the wilderness" for being in the occupied territory, then don't tell me again. I also read the filtration and test cases. And former prisoners of war, and those who were in the occupied territory, and those who were surrounded. There were no general punitive measures. Only specifically for individuals.
          3. MrK
            MrK 11 January 2017 21: 01
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            She was exiled to the wilderness because she was in occupied territory. Laugh further


            Sasha. Belarus was two years in occupation. So everyone who was in the occupation was shot by damned commies from heavy machine guns?

            In my house there was a German dining room and my mother worked there for two years as a waitress for the Germans. And the time has come to retire - two years before the experience is not enough. I went to social security. They asked: they worked for the Germans. Mother told me everything. She brought in two witnesses and she was credited with these two years of experience. Received a pension.
            She lived at that time in a bath with two daughters. And Dad was at the front. Politruk.
            So look for other reasons for expelling your grandmother.
            1. CorvusCoraks
              CorvusCoraks 11 January 2017 21: 36
              0
              It can be assumed for the active assistance to the forces of the Nazis.
        3. the most important
          the most important 10 January 2017 19: 37
          +3
          Quote: Stroibat stock
          Something about 95 thousand storage units. He laughed heartily at the cries of "bloody 37g."

          Well, since God did not give a mind, then continue to laugh and continue ....
          1. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat 10 January 2017 19: 51
            +7
            Have you tried to read carefully? Or is it just not working? I laugh at the liberals who shout about the "bloody 37th", when supposedly everyone was jailed. If you read these cases, you would often regret that you were given only a term, and not "the highest measure of social protection."
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 10 January 2017 20: 15
              +3
              Quote: Stroibat stock
              If you read these cases, you would often regret that you were given only a term, and not "the highest measure of social protection."

              Can you tell us about the methods of the investigators who conducted these cases? In the hands of these savages, people confessed to all serious sins, which would never have occurred.
              1. Reserve buildbat
                Reserve buildbat 10 January 2017 21: 30
                +5
                Oh, yes, you are a fan of Solzhenitsyn)) Congratulations))) By the way, among those cases I read the case of the investigator who fabricated the cases. You know, he was in AUGUST 1941. awarded the "tower". A certificate of execution with date and time is also sewn into the case. So don't talk about what you have no idea about.
          2. activator
            activator 10 January 2017 21: 09
            +3
            Quote: the most important
            Well, since God did not give a mind, then continue to laugh and continue ....

            This was not given to you by the god of mind, if you do not understand that he laughed at people like you who would only have to sip their throats without understanding what you wanted to say.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Laughing at my grandmothers too? She was exiled into the wilderness because she was in occupied territory. Laugh further

            Both of my grandmothers were in the occupied territory and didn’t send anyone away, and my wife’s grandmother was an ostarbeiter, she lived in a German family, learned German, learned to play the piano, treated her well there and didn’t send her out either, although a traitor could tell ate on enemy grubs.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 11 January 2017 05: 26
              0
              Quote: activator
              and my wife’s grandmother was an ostarbeiter, she lived in a German family, worked, learned German, learned to play the piano, treated her well there and she was not exiled either

              And my aunt was freed by the Americans. Ours made a hiking route, but the Americans, having learned this, as much as they could, gave us a ride on the "students". She was sent home to rebuild the mines, where she got tuberculosis.
        4. RUSS
          RUSS 15 January 2017 10: 55
          0
          Quote: Stroibat stock
          I worked in the archive where the cases of the repressed are stored))

          The archivist builder, this is a waste! wassat
    2. Mark Berger
      Mark Berger 10 January 2017 17: 42
      +4
      Who is the betrayal? Old people, old women and children?
      1. Navigator Basov
        Navigator Basov 10 January 2017 18: 13
        +9
        Have old people, old women and children sang about deportation to you? Well, understand that these European methods of pressure on emotions, stories about eaten children without facts, no longer work.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 10 January 2017 20: 14
        +7
        Quote: Mark Berger
        Who is the betrayal? Old people, old women and children?


        You are right: you punished with deportation, first of all, children and the elderly. And the male traitors, who served with the Germans and honestly deserved a bullet, were saved in this deportation and escaped execution.
        They also got a great trump card to become illegally repressed .....
        1. Navigator Basov
          Navigator Basov 10 January 2017 21: 06
          +4
          These old men and women joyfully welcomed saboteurs who allegedly brought them liberation from Soviet power. In this sense, nothing is changing, the local population in such parts of the world supports the bearded (at least in the most active phases), which is why even now the responsibility of the relatives of terrorists has been legislated. You don’t need to build an institute from yourself, and it is clear that law enforcement agencies and special services for numerous terrorist developments have long had statistics on who covers whom, and the closest relatives are in the vast majority aware of criminal intentions and are silent.
          There are no illegally repressed, because the term repression is manipulative. Everyone who was shot or exiled was convicted under the laws of the USSR for the crimes committed, there were always errors in the judicial system, but if they exceeded average values ​​at some time, it was only because the judicial system was used by scammers to settle personal accounts and in selfish interests. Deportation was not a punishment at all, it was a humane way out of the situation (when banditry, collaborationism and separatism flourished in the territory of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic in wartime) compared with the highest measure and camps for tens of thousands of people, as a result of which the peoples could simply be exterminated (everyone understood, including the representatives of these peoples themselves, that they themselves were to blame for this, but that is their nature). So, Caucasians should be grateful to Stalin and Beria (the developer of the operation “Lentil”).
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 10 January 2017 21: 59
            +5
            Quote: Navigator Basov
            that is why even now they have legally fixed the responsibility of the relatives of terrorists


            You can’t not know YOUR own legislation!
            Quote: Navigator Basov
            There are no illegally repressed, because the term repression is manipulative.


            You violate the laws of the Russian Federation, denying the law "On the rehabilitation of repressed peoples" of April 26, 1991 years of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR
            1. Navigator Basov
              Navigator Basov 11 January 2017 16: 39
              +1
              Well, a naive Moldavian combatant, one cannot just not know the history of his former homeland, and not understand the times when this law was adopted and by whom it was developed (by whose advisers). Moreover, the law on the rehabilitation of repressed peoples does not contradict the latest law establishing the responsibility of relatives of terrorists (No. 302-ФЗ of October 25 of October 2013 of the year, Article 7, part 2, paragraphs b, c), therefore I did not even understand the meaning all this tirade. The concept of repression from this does not cease to be manipulative, and the laws on rehabilitation are not repealed just because it is impossible to convict again those who have already been rehabilitated under the direction of your curators.
          2. vezdehodov
            vezdehodov 11 January 2017 08: 01
            0
            Quote: Navigator Basov
            All those who were executed or exiled were convicted under the laws of the USSR for crimes committed

            Quote: Navigator Basov
            Deportation was not a punishment at all; it was a humane way out of the situation.

            I would be more careful with the terms. The term deportation has historically been used to refer to citizens of another state. In our case, all GKO documents speak of "resettlement" and "special settlers."
            And as far as I remember, all the attempts of the resettled peoples to recognize the inappropriateness of actions by the leadership of the Soviet Union failed. Why do you think? ..
            1. Navigator Basov
              Navigator Basov 11 January 2017 16: 56
              +1
              Caution was necessary to those who disseminated in the mass consciousness such a name for this operation. I very much support official terms (resettlement, special immigrants), but life is what it is, and people take root in those terms that take root (said almost like one well-known European mayor), obviously not without the help of those who passed the very laws on rehabilitation of repressed peoples (how does this resonate with the act of enslaved peoples - PL 86-90, the people also call it unofficially otherwise: the law on the dismemberment of Russia). Many things in the Russian language undergo changes when the unofficial names of objects and phenomena become more common.
              And the fact that the attempts failed, so the state was stronger (and did not cease to remain humane, since by the 1959 year almost all the prohibitions on movement were lifted, and most of them were lifted even earlier) and bolder (I mean, which was not the case with offended terrorists and bandits, since legitimacy stemmed from the circumstances of wartime; in other words, they knew how to make tough decisions without regard to the jackal howl). With the fall of this state, courage is only now beginning to manifest itself, but so far it cannot spread to put even Kadyrov in his place.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 10 January 2017 17: 00
    +32
    But to curse those who shot in the backs of Soviet soldiers and served the Nazis, Kadyrov has no desire? .. But it somehow comes out one-sidedly ..
    1. peta locksmith
      peta locksmith 10 January 2017 18: 22
      +14
      Dear Sailboat, you are right

      to curse his native daddy, who certainly has his hands to the elbow to the blood, the chief Chechen has a small intestine ...

      if the daddy of the current chief Chechen, after the second Chechen, had not sensed the organizational and financial benefits of cooperation with Moscow for himself and his teip, then he would have chopped our guys to this day ....

      and how many of them died in Chechnya, while the papik of the current chief Chechen sensed the benefit — does this remember the Chechen abuse of Stalin?

      unlikely ...
      it would be better to be silent ....
    2. 97110
      97110 10 January 2017 21: 19
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      Kadyrov has no desire?

      Is he red? Nobody cursed them after Stalin; why would he? He is like everyone else - who said the good word about Stalin above? No, everyone convinces that Mannerheim is a general in the Russian army and has done a lot for Russia. And Stalin fought with him. And he offended the Nobel laureates ...
  8. maxim1987
    maxim1987 10 January 2017 17: 02
    +13
    next time they will shoot, not expel
  9. Wolka
    Wolka 10 January 2017 17: 04
    +7
    the reason for this is ignorance and lack of elementary endurance, which does not color it in any way
    1. 97110
      97110 10 January 2017 21: 22
      +1
      Quote: Volka
      the reason for this is ignorance and lack of elementary endurance

      And what about the apologists of the Mannerheim board? Ignorance of the Federal Minister of Culture? How dare you? Lack of endurance in ... Maybe I could not stand it, quit my job ...
  10. Same lech
    Same lech 10 January 2017 17: 08
    +46
    society is still very far from consensus on historical issues and views on the history of the Fatherland.


    Something brought Kadyrov to where ...
    Let us recall what massacre of the Russian population was in Chechnya in the 90s.
    Maybe dear KADYROV condemned this genocide ... no, I didn’t hear that.
    Before YELTSIN’S adventure in CHECHNY, endless killings of women, children, and the elderly began.
    Young girls were stolen right in schools ... local bandits came to choose what they liked and took them away for their fun.
    You can imagine the horror of a girl who understands that no one can protect her and the despair of her parents at the sight of her daughter's lifeless body.

    The stories of refugees from there during these years are simply shocking with their cruelty.
    I would not believe it if I personally did not see the corresponding videos.
    Our state has safely closed this topic and is not going to investigate this genocide ... here is such a zugugolin.
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 17: 38
      +12
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Let us recall what massacre of the Russian population was in Chechnya in the 90s.
      Maybe dear KADYROV condemned this genocide ... no, I didn’t hear that.
      Before YELTSIN’S adventure in CHECHNY, endless killings of women, children, and the elderly began.
      Young girls were stolen right in schools ... local bandits came to choose what they liked and took them away for their fun.
      You can imagine the horror of a girl who understands that no one can protect her and the despair of her parents at the sight of her daughter's lifeless body.
      The stories of refugees from there during these years are simply shocking with their cruelty.
      I would not believe it if I personally did not see the corresponding videos.
      Our state has safely closed this topic and is not going to investigate this genocide ... here is such a zugugolin.

      The main thing is for us to remember and never forget, approximately as about the Great Patriotic War. And there will be a case, they will answer for everything, not all the time we will have power who, for the sake of "stability" and an allegedly bad world is better than war, will turn a blind eye to crimes against their people.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 10 January 2017 17: 39
      +21
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Our state has safely closed this topic and is not going to investigate this genocide ..

      Alexei, when did the Russians defend ourselves? I am sure that Russian slaves are still in Chechnya. Only Kadyrov is not interested.
      1. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 17: 47
        +11
        Maybe not only in Chechnya, if the whole village. Caucasus wool, then any of the missing, including recently, it will be possible to find.
    3. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 17: 46
      +1
      And there is no link to the video? I only saw the printed facts, I would also like to see the video materials, for the fullness of my feelings and to maintain the right attitude towards Chechens.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 10 January 2017 18: 21
        +2
        And there is no link to the video?


        such videos are quickly deleted ... but you can find them if you regularly wool the Internet in forums and personal magazines including foreign ones ... go for it if you have the patience ... I no longer have the slightest desire to see all this horror again.
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich 10 January 2017 21: 10
      +8
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Let us recall what massacre of the Russian population was in the Chechen Republic in the 90s.
      Maybe dear KADYROV condemned this genocide ... no, I didn’t hear that.
      Before YELTSIN’S adventure in CHECHNY, endless killings of women, children, and the elderly began.


      The massacre of Russians there began much earlier (about 100 years ago) and with the full support of the country's leadership, when it was organized genocide of the Russian Terek Cossackswho lived there defended Russia there and got along with the same highlanders:

      From the resolution of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the RCP (B.), Adopted on October 14, 1920: “On the agrarian issue, it is necessary to recognize the return to the highlanders of the North Caucasus of the lands taken from them by the Great Russians .. ».
      V.I. Lenin, PSS, vol. 41, p. 342.

      Order No. 01721 (labeled “secret”), signed by A. Medvedev, temporarily acting commander of the Caucasian Labor Army, which said: “...Member of the PBC Kavfrontov. Ordzhonikidze ordered: the first - Art. Kalinovskaya to burn; the second - the villages of Ermolovskaya, Zakan-Yurtovskaya, Samashkinskaya, Mikhailovskaya - give back the poorest landless population and first and foremost always ex devotees of Soviet power to the upland Chechens: why the entire male population of the aforementioned villages from 18 to 50 years old should be loaded into echelons and sent to the North under escort for heavy forced labor; old people, women and children evicted from the villages.

      From a telegram from a member of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Caucasian Labor Army, G.K. Vrachev Ordzhonikidze of November 1, 1920: "Eviction of the villages is successfully... Today I had a meeting with Chechens - representatives of villages. Chechen mood is excellent“They are happy forever and declare that our act is a great historical event for them.”


      After the Russian genocide, even then, SOME began to protect the Russians there ..
  11. Kryvbas
    Kryvbas 10 January 2017 17: 10
    +15
    And the article is written sooo streamlined :))) Looks like the author understands that if Kadyrov starts to condemn, you see, you still have to apologize ...
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 17: 41
      +13
      And who would not be afraid to deal with a local prince who has power, money, dofig’s ambition, and even personal armed detachments?
      1. Kryvbas
        Kryvbas 10 January 2017 17: 59
        +7
        And most importantly - absolute and unconditional patronage.
        1. CorvusCoraks
          CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 18: 18
          +5
          Quote: Krivbass
          absolute and unconditional patronage.

          And how without it? this is generally the foundation for what I have listed.
      2. Navigator Basov
        Navigator Basov 10 January 2017 18: 02
        +6
        The country's main new problem is highly motivated, low-skilled specialists.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 10 January 2017 18: 26
          +3
          Quote: Navigator Basov
          The country's main new problem is highly motivated, low-skilled specialists.

          What is the new problem? By the way, usually two problems are voiced right away. You forgot about the roads. smile
          1. Navigator Basov
            Navigator Basov 10 January 2017 18: 34
            +3
            This is just a joke in the subject: Kadyrov is already very highly motivated, but over and over again shows his low qualification. If you decide to piss off about the roads, then just out of place.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 10 January 2017 18: 50
              +1
              Quote: Navigator Basov
              This is just a joke in the subject: Kadyrov is already very highly motivated, but over and over again shows his low qualification. If you decide to piss off about the roads, then just out of place.

              I didn’t understand what you wanted to say. Just in case, I note this was a bit of irony about the two most ancient problems of Russia. smile
              1. Navigator Basov
                Navigator Basov 10 January 2017 19: 23
                +2
                Yes, it’s clear that irony, but somehow out of place. Everyone already knows about fools and roads, but now consider that you have found the cause of both troubles: high motivation with low qualifications, like Kadyrov’s.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 10 January 2017 19: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: Navigator Basov
                  Yes, it’s clear that irony, but somehow out of place.

                  Ndaaa. The common people are terribly far from me. laughing I kind of meant that yours are "highly motivated low-skilled professionals" synonymous with the first problem. So I think it’s very bad. smile
                  1. Navigator Basov
                    Navigator Basov 10 January 2017 21: 08
                    +1
                    Well, I do not equate fools with highly motivated low-skilled specialists, they are far from fools, I encounter them every day. They are just creative. Something you are somehow too complicated, maybe also creative, huh? wink
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  13. Million
    Million 10 January 2017 17: 20
    +5
    Academician! What else to expect from him ....
  14. 1536
    1536 10 January 2017 17: 25
    +4
    "By and large, such a division of opinions and such a harsh reaction speaks of only one thing: society is still very far from a consensus on historical issues and views on the history of the Fatherland."

    Moreover, bring a match, it will blaze so that Biden's threats, etc., seem like a conflict in the sandbox. Again, what is this familiar, Blok's: "We, on the woe to all bourgeoisie, will fan the world fire!" Twice in 100 years they set fire to their own house (1917, 1991). But, apparently, "God loves the trinity"!
    Maybe stop tedding a story? Is there really nothing more to do? And if this is the hidden blow of the Americans to where the weakest place is at the right time, then why are the competent authorities silent? Now is the time to show what happened under Stalin and what happened under Brezhnev, what happened under Yeltsin and what is happening now. This is for comparison, such as vaccination make infected pyromania.
    1. MrK
      MrK 11 January 2017 21: 09
      0
      Quote: 1536
      Yes, moreover, bring a match, blaze like that


      Colleague. Match in z.o.p. does not burn. And we have already begun to settle in there.
  15. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 10 January 2017 17: 28
    +4
    I support Kadyrov.
  16. OLD FART
    OLD FART 10 January 2017 17: 30
    +28
    Judging by the bloody events in the Caucasus in the 90s, Stalin was still right ... If you just judged by the destroyed cities and infrastructure .. Almost everything was destroyed and the Wehrmacht troops were not needed .. And about the casualties on both sides here in general counting is not possible .. VERY MUCH! I remember the Germans, too, were deported to Kazakhstan, so they settled down there perfectly and there are no special complaints (then there was such a time ..) In vain Ramzan is cast with curses, in vain ...
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 17: 52
      +10
      Not just right, he was too soft, but living after he had a hitch, our actions in the Chech wars were too soft, now we are waiting for it to come back again.
    2. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 10 January 2017 17: 59
      +11
      Ramzan is some short-sighted. Well, while he’s on the wing, federal money is pouring on him in exchange for loyalty, but over and over again allowing himself such tricks, he only accumulates dirt against himself. If patience does not burst at the Dark One, then his successor will replay something. Oh, this blood is boiling, even though directly let it regularly.
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 10 January 2017 18: 24
        +9
        Quote: Navigator Basov
        Oh, this blood is boiling, even though directly let it regularly.

        In 50-100 years, it will be so ... You will have to work, and not dance the Lezginka! And we will make them work, it's time to pay for the golden shower ... Stalin is certainly not an angel, but you can't call him Satan either ... He left the country as a world power, they still cannot plunder! Many even choked, from the strain ... This "peacemaker" in Chechnya wielded impudently and openly ... Ramzan, it would be better if you sent him a curse ..

        The theme of Stalin is slippery, of course, but the facts still outweigh in favor of this Great man who created the World Power! I'm not a fan of Stalin and still take off my hat .. hi
        1. Navigator Basov
          Navigator Basov 10 January 2017 18: 35
          +4
          Just Ramzan is media, and Stalin will no longer be there, so it’s easy for him to recoup on him: he will not be able to answer.
          1. OLD FART
            OLD FART 10 January 2017 18: 51
            +3
            Quote: Bass Navigator
            Just Ramzan is media, and Stalin will no longer be there, so it’s easy for him to recoup on him: he will not be able to answer.

            With this statement, Ramzan, of course, raised the rating (what a foul word ugh) was raised among fellow tribesmen and our liberals and Russophobes ... Only this is all cheap populism ..! Time will put everything in its place, everything needs to be remembered about this!
          2. vezdehodov
            vezdehodov 11 January 2017 08: 26
            0
            This is Stalin - it’s not a media one) Yes, Stalin has such an Internet network that Ramzanchik never dreamed of. Only here the Vainakhs themselves do not benefit from the media of the head-nokhchi. It’s only harm, because any comparison of his actions with the similar acts of Koba will be absolutely not in his favor and will cast a shadow over the entire Chechen people.
            1. Navigator Basov
              Navigator Basov 15 January 2017 13: 24
              0
              Well, he’s not personally media. Yes, and I did not notice something directly of some kind of international on the Web, even though no one here showed himself particularly.
              PS: Although, if you mean the tweeter /// дя ™ (@zubb_zer0), then maybe, maybe wink
    3. ICT
      ICT 10 January 2017 19: 07
      +2
      Quote: STARPER
      Judging by the bloody events in the Caucasus in the 90's, Stalin was still right ...

      he doesn’t think it’s like

      COMMODITY hi

      in my ear about the future told
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 10 January 2017 19: 40
        +4
        Here you don’t need to be a prophet either, the Caucasus has always been and will be a chirium on the body of Russia and you can’t do without periodic surgical operations, otherwise blood poisoning, etc. I’m so figurative, but I think the essence you understand what I mean ... hi Independence (unlike others ..) is contraindicated to them! No offense .. hi
  17. Bator
    Bator 10 January 2017 17: 38
    +18
    Stalin deported Chechens for many reasons:
    1) Thousands of Chechens served Hitler
    2) Stalin saved them from the Red Army, which would avenge their betrayal
    3) Chechens massively engaged in banditry
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 10 January 2017 18: 24
      +8
      Quote: Bator
      for many reasons:

      4) Mass desertion from the Red Army.
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 10 January 2017 19: 45
        +2
        Quote: EvgNik
        Quote: Bator
        for many reasons:

        4) Mass desertion from the Red Army.

        5) illiteracy (especially in highlands) is now the same ..)))
        6) ......
        wink
  18. Mark Berger
    Mark Berger 10 January 2017 17: 38
    +3
    And he should have been grateful to the executioner of the Chechen people?
    The hypocrisy of the vertuai is unlimited.
    1. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 10 January 2017 17: 55
      +19
      Ko-ko-ko, executioner of the Chechen people, executioner of the Chechen people! Just as a nonsense for the Chechen people is tearing the anus, the hypocrisy of Euro-Atlanteans cannot be measured.
      Stalin, according to the laws of the USSR, was supposed to allow him to give sentences according to which over 60 of thousands of highlanders would be shot. And tens of thousands would get long sentences in institutions with very strict regimes. From the point of view of legal legality and justice, Chechens and Ingush were punished very softly and violated the criminal code for the sake of humanity and mercy.

      https://topwar.ru/3294-za-chto-i-stalin-nakazal-c
      hechencev-i-ingushej.html
      Come, flicker.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 10 January 2017 18: 28
      +5
      Quote: Mark Berger
      And he should have been grateful to the executioner of the Chechen people?
      The hypocrisy of the vertuai is unlimited.

      Do you have that one training manual there? Or are these simply symptoms of the disease? smile
      1. Navigator Basov
        Navigator Basov 10 January 2017 18: 45
        +3
        No, stop it! What a training manual, just because there is someone to compare. In reality, Merkel is the savior of the German people. The German people, along with Mark Berger, are immensely grateful to her for salvation.
    3. Thompson
      Thompson 10 January 2017 18: 29
      +5
      The hypocrisy of some of today's guard is also worthy of deportation! But alas, there is no Stalin, and on the grave of a lion, each hare imagines himself a wolf, but in fact a jackal!
  19. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 10 January 2017 17: 39
    +12
    In his own words, he only emphasized the level of his "wisdom" and "spirituality".
    To wish evil to a man long dead is to declare that at least about intolerance towards the rehabilitation of Stalin. One of the strongest rulers.
    As if challenging him ...
  20. guzik007
    guzik007 10 January 2017 17: 41
    +17
    This "academician" with six classes of education has already begun to tire him.
    ... Has already begun to irritate the "looking across the country", condescending to this gopota "in law"
  21. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 10 January 2017 17: 42
    +9
    I just want to ask - "who are the judges" !!! ??? The boy went into the dressing-down.
  22. CorvusCoraks
    CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 17: 44
    +12
    The deported peoples received what they deserved. And what do they think, will not be responsible for the betrayal?
  23. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 10 January 2017 17: 45
    +3
    Quote: Volka
    the reason for this is ignorance and lack of elementary endurance, which does not color it in any way

    - This ignorance is called cynicism.
  24. JS20
    JS20 10 January 2017 17: 48
    0
    Joseph Stalin led the Chechen and other peoples to the edge of the abyss. Damn him forever!

    Summed up, this is at least. We can also add that perhaps he even managed to push everyone (or part) into this abyss. It will be clear only a little later, over time.
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 17: 54
      +10
      How? I would have faced it, today there would have been no Chechens living, the resource then would allow.
      1. JS20
        JS20 10 January 2017 18: 25
        +1
        Quote: CorvusCoraks
        I would have faced it, today there would have been no Chechens living, the resource then would allow.

        He spoke not only about Chechens. And in this he is right.
  25. neoshef
    neoshef 10 January 2017 17: 55
    +12
    If we continue to denigrate our history for the sake of the situation, we can agree to the app. European views Stalin = Hitler. That, in fact, is what the Americans want to us and others like them.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 10 January 2017 19: 22
      +8
      17.55. Nope! Yeah! Stalin = Hitler! And why then are the ideas of Nazism and symbolism advancing in this way, and everything Soviet is spreading rot? Stalin and Hitler are disparate! Even Kadyrov’s statement has an interesting thought. He condemns the actions of Stalin, and silence about Hitler's actions. And on whose mill do they pour water? It turns out with his statement that he condemns Stalin and justifies Hitler. Well done! What to say! Then why are they trying to bring us interesting? Is Kadyrov’s statement a test ball? Does someone tell him or does he feel where the wind is blowing?
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 10 January 2017 21: 49
        +1
        Now ----- Kadyrov, some time earlier ------ Crimean ..... As a matter of desire, there is a desire to increase intolerance in the Russian Federation at all levels, anger and strife, the intensity of emotions.
        The dismissed columnist ......... children on heliks .... Only the lazy one does not try to pour oil into the fire.
        Quote: 34 region
        17.55. Nope! Yeah! Stalin = Hitler! And why then are the ideas of Nazism and symbolism advancing in this way, and everything Soviet is spreading rot? Stalin and Hitler are disparate! Even Kadyrov’s statement has an interesting thought. He condemns the actions of Stalin, and silence about Hitler's actions. And on whose mill do they pour water? It turns out with his statement that he condemns Stalin and justifies Hitler. Well done! What to say! Then why are they trying to bring us interesting? Is Kadyrov’s statement a test ball? Does someone tell him or does he feel where the wind is blowing?
  26. predator4832
    predator4832 10 January 2017 18: 01
    +9
    Stalin did everything right and could not be otherwise!
  27. Fiber forehead
    Fiber forehead 10 January 2017 18: 09
    +3
    Stalin for modern Russia is a symbol of the struggle for independence. For Chechens, a symbol of grief. Public people need to be careful in their statements.
  28. Altona
    Altona 10 January 2017 18: 12
    +8
    I have a very bad attitude towards collaborators. I haven’t had three since that war. To side with the traitors, even from their own people, is very mean.
  29. fa2998
    fa2998 10 January 2017 18: 13
    +2
    Quote: isker
    - And what, deportation to Chechens - was soldered for beautiful eyes or invented from the ceiling?

    Quote: Tatiana
    and partially sided with the German invaders

    Of all Tatyana's comments, the most important word is "PARTIALLY!"
    A war criminal, a terrorist, does NOT have NATIONALITY monsters! How many troubles the Germans did in World War II, among those who rammed New York's skyscrapers there were Saudis (and many examples) - SO LET ALL GERMANS AND SAUDIUMS SEND TO ANTARCTICA! Catch them and criminals and judge! yes hi
    1. Thompson
      Thompson 10 January 2017 18: 25
      +4
      Yeah! In wartime! Shchazz! They cannot do this in peace.
    2. 34 region
      34 region 10 January 2017 19: 26
      +2
      18.13. Fa2998! Is Serdyukov’s case a mutual responsibility or what? And the prosecutors' case on the protection of the casino was hushed up. In general, there is no fault of theirs. Olympiad and Vostochny spaceport are only successful projects !?
  30. saltickov.
    saltickov. 10 January 2017 18: 17
    +7
    but don’t need to glance here with the eyes of the details of the deportation, everyone knows, once again PR, I decided that's all.
  31. DREDD
    DREDD 10 January 2017 18: 20
    +8
    Again, Stalin is being labeled "I did it because I want to." It would be so public to ask the "academician": why were they deported? I'm sure the answer will be curses, only in your direction for asking the wrong questions)).
  32. Thompson
    Thompson 10 January 2017 18: 23
    +8
    Stalin cursed the Chechens even earlier! And had more reasons for it!
  33. staryivoin
    staryivoin 10 January 2017 18: 33
    +7
    Ramzan, our brothers in the 90 in Ichkeria, too, were not met with flowers and cakes. We accepted this, maybe it’s time for you to understand that digging into the head of the Chechen Republic at a political cemetery is not the best thing ... Or there’s nothing more to PR about ...
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  35. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 10 January 2017 18: 40
    +8
    What is the other consensus? Most advocate for Stalin. It's time to ignore the cries of pseudo-intelligentsia.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 January 2017 20: 29
      +1
      Quote: Alexander S.
      Most advocate for Stalin.

      Most among the jerks!
      1. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 21: 34
        0
        Oh well there
        Quote: Alexander S.
        pseudo-intelligentsia.
        pulled up.
      2. BecmepH
        BecmepH 11 January 2017 09: 36
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: Alexander S.
        Most advocate for Stalin.

        Most among the jerks!

        Would you call me, my dear, so in the eyes ... Such as you draw ... spread rot in childhood and now you are heroing ... behind the keyboard.
  36. Alex_59
    Alex_59 10 January 2017 18: 40
    +3
    And I am absolutely calm about this statement by Kadyrov. He has reasons to say so, and he can be understood. But Stalin’s actions against the Chechens also have their own reasons. Stalin is a tough politician; under his rule no one lived easily. Deporting the whole nation is certainly too simple and primitive way to solve the problem, this is not worth justifying. It would be great if there were no deportations in our history. And it would be wonderful if the citizens of our country, regardless of nationality, did not join the ranks of our enemies. All this is so, but as it was - it was so.
    1. Genals
      Genals 10 January 2017 20: 25
      +1
      Stalin acted like a good calf, it was necessary to shoot them at home and explain to everyone why. Then there would be no speculation. And those who had slaughtered would lie down next to the traitors, and humanly, that would be right.
    2. anita
      anita 10 January 2017 20: 34
      +6
      Imagine that you live in a city, you are fighting in the Soviet Army, protecting your country, land, family from the Nazi invaders. After our Victory, you return home and find out that the Tatars living in your city fought on the side of the Nazis, who killed, burned, tortured, hung! But the Chechens, who also live in your city, did not fight, but hid in the mountains !? And what will you do? Will you figure out which of them fought, who killed your family? Stalin saved these peoples by deporting them. Because there would be NO mercy for the latter.
  37. Lelek
    Lelek 10 January 2017 18: 54
    +7
    (Joseph Stalin led the Chechen and other peoples to the edge of the abyss. Damn him forever!)

    But this, Ramzan, you did in vain. You can’t give a damn about the past - it will return a hundredfold in the future. In my eyes, you immediately lost 60% of the rating. I don’t know how others do, but, I think, no less. yes
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 January 2017 20: 31
      +1
      Quote: Lelek
      You can’t give a damn about the past - it will return a hundredfold in the future.

      This spit on entire nations came back in the future!
  38. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 10 January 2017 18: 54
    +4
    Reason should prevail over emotions, but this is reasonable!
  39. Gips
    Gips 10 January 2017 18: 56
    +3
    And none of the speakers read the full text of Kadyrov? It seems that VO has a certain negative attitude towards Kadyrov. So, the consecration of this event is stated with some intent. And the text was completed strictly in words of a curse against Stalin in order to cause a resonance. I read the full text. There are curse words, but in a certain context. And this slightly shifted the perception of this event. Although I’m sure that such harsh words should have been avoided so that the society lives smoothly. Take the trouble to read the full text and then give an adequate assessment.
  40. Dulat
    Dulat 10 January 2017 19: 00
    +1
    Perhaps this article is misinformation (duck), or maybe it's true, or maybe someone (a hacker) wrote instead of Kadyrov. The article gave me the opportunity to understand people that their emotions are ahead of balanced conclusions. If I stood next to Kadyrov and heard these words, then I would give him a negative assessment. Thus, using a "duck" to denigrate any person. So I will not say anything about "curses", and wait for refutation, confirmation, silence, correction, addition, etc.
  41. Michael_59
    Michael_59 10 January 2017 19: 02
    +4
    Disappointed Ramzan Akhmatovich.
    Is it clever, worthy, to play to our many enemies at hand - to sow the seed of discord?
  42. Ihrek
    Ihrek 10 January 2017 19: 03
    +8
    Of course, the family is not without freaks, traitors were among all peoples ...
    But, among some peoples, the number of those went off scale. Leaving this fact unattended by Stalin would not have been far-sighted and unfair to other nations.
  43. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 10 January 2017 19: 06
    +4
    People who were satisfied with the Soviet regime, with a sense of duty, some who mobilized, who voluntarily went to the front, and those who were dissatisfied with the government, began to wait for the Germans to come. Each reacted in his own way and associated his hopes with this.


    It cannot be hidden that part of the population of the Chechen-Ingush Republic was almost historically negative towards Russia and the USSR! And it was this part that helped the Nazis to conquer the Caucasus. Unfortunately, the policy of "one size fits all" gave rise to pain and tragedy for many innocent people who fell into these millstones! But cleaning the seeds from the chaff also does not work in such a way as to completely separate the clean from the dirty.
  44. alfa19638
    alfa19638 10 January 2017 19: 08
    +6
    And to Stalin it was like blasphemy, what praise! We ourselves need to understand and acknowledge the truth. The society in our country has been and is divided, and now this section is becoming an abyss, I believe that we should be proud of the Soviet Union, and V. Stalin was too democratic.
  45. vovan50
    vovan50 10 January 2017 19: 10
    +7
    Ah Ramadan, Ramadan. And I already almost began to respect you. And now, as they say in the east, come on bye.
  46. Kuzma_Abrikosov
    Kuzma_Abrikosov 10 January 2017 19: 12
    +3
    Many Russians can say exactly the same thing. Chechens have no reason to adore Uncle Joe.
  47. Orionvit
    Orionvit 10 January 2017 19: 14
    +11
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    There were Soviet Russians in the SS troops

    When, among some nationalities, betrayal towards their country exceeds all conceivable boundaries, then excuse me, the whole nation must answer. Or did the Chechens, along with the Crimean Tatars and Karachais, really naively think that the Germans would treat them as equals? Let them create their own "states"? How stupid you need to be, so as not to understand that after the victory over the Soviet Union, the Germans would have cleaned them up in the first place, and with a clean one. So there is no need to bring up the old false story that among all nationalities there are "good" and "bad". Stalin made it clear who is who.
  48. alone
    alone 10 January 2017 19: 18
    +4
    For those who are outraged about Kadyrov, I’ll say something like this so that everyone understands what it is about.

    Imagine that in the city where you live there turned out to be 10 accomplices of the Nazis. Because of this, your entire city will be deported, even those who fought with these fascists together with you on the Kazakhstan steppes. I would look at your reaction.
    1. faiver
      faiver 10 January 2017 19: 26
      +7
      then it’s not in the city but in the village of 15 yards, 5 yards of despots, 5 yards of deserters, 3 yards of bandits, and two yards fought against the Nazis ....
    2. Nova
      Nova 10 January 2017 19: 33
      +8
      And the fact that 93% deserted and avoided service during the Great Patriotic War is not a reason?
    3. mole
      mole 10 January 2017 19: 57
      +3
      Quote: lonely
      For those who are outraged about Kadyrov, I’ll say something like this so that everyone understands what it is about.

      Imagine that in the city where you live there turned out to be 10 accomplices of the Nazis. Because of this, your entire city will be deported, even those who fought with these fascists together with you on the Kazakhstan steppes. I would look at your reaction.

      Do not distort, please! Cities - inhabited by respectable, selflessly devoted to Soviet power Chechens in nature did not exist and never will be. But the accomplices were an order of magnitude higher, and these accomplices had relatives who knew about it, but were silent. What kind of reaction do you need?
      By the way, Ramzan is about the same as Stalin tried to do by starting to demolish the relatives of terrorists at home. Only the Supreme besieged him. After which Kadyrov Jr. began to say that he was Putin’s Chief Infantry, and the Chechen people were his infantry! What is not a personality cult for you?
    4. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 20: 20
      +2
      How "sly". And here's how it was, imagine that you are a soldier of the red army, in the nearest village (aul) 30-50% of the inhabitants or even more accomplices of the fascists. But for the sake of the rest of the innocent, nobody is touched. Because of this, during hostilities, the defense of the village of owls. armies at a crucial moment begin to organize sabotage in the rear, shoot in the back, leak information about fortifications, about the number of forces, about weapons, or even fight it directly .. I would look at your reaction ...
    5. Ihrek
      Ihrek 10 January 2017 20: 43
      +5
      Salam-alaikum Omar, I'm sorry I have to argue a bit with you. There were not 10 accomplices in each city, but much more .. not to mention that these accomplices were relatives of the rest of the townspeople, who didn’t really mind them. The fact that Ramzan is indignant is a normal reaction on his part, although he as a hero of Russia and, I hope, as a patriot of Russia should have been sympathetic to this historical fact. At the same time, we must also make it clear that without the rigidity of Stalin we would not have won, we would have won this war. In no case do I underestimate the contribution of the common people, which are very much given.
      There is no doubt that Stalin was a very wise man and a true patriot of his country. Stalin’s decision to deport was not spontaneous. Chechens have long pestered the country even before the war with the Germans, when they had a plan for a simultaneous strike. Fortunately, when Stalin found out about this, he firmly stopped it before the very start of the war. If he didn’t solve this problem, we would get, along with the war with the Germans, a war still inside the country and the outcome of the war could be completely different. hi
      1. alone
        alone 10 January 2017 20: 54
        +2
        Aleikuma Salam. I’m not saying that everyone was furry. But you must admit that those who were not guilty also suffered.
        As for Stalin. I do not say that he was not wise, not a patriot. But he is also a man. And he also had mistakes. It is not worth making God out of him. As we all know, only God is not mistaken !!
        1. CorvusCoraks
          CorvusCoraks 10 January 2017 21: 40
          +2
          I’ll get into a little conversation.
          Quote: lonely
          I’m not saying that everyone was furry. But you must admit that those who were not guilty also suffered.

          Do you know what the situation was like in the world, in the country, at the front? You are aware that in the Caucasus direction the Germans had a great desire to win, because were local resources important to them?
          I’m afraid that, to put it mildly, this was not the situation to identify who specifically was a defector, a traitor, a deviator, a deserter, a bandit, and so on. When at any moment the defense of Soviet troops in the Caucasus could be broken.
        2. Ihrek
          Ihrek 10 January 2017 22: 20
          +3
          Quote: lonely
          As for Stalin. I do not say that he was not wise, not a patriot. But he is also a man. And he also had mistakes. It is not worth making God out of him. As we all know, only God is not mistaken !!
          Of course, it is impossible to sculpt God from him. We are just dust under the feet of God. He is like a simple person, of course I'm sure something was wrong. It is either impossible to be mistaken in managing such a huge country, especially in such a difficult environment. Only the Almighty is never mistaken. First of all, we must pay attention to the contribution he made to preserve and strengthen the country. I am sure that without him the USSR would have lost the war to the Germans. Today Russia would not be free from the Germans. Unfortunately, many people prefer to pay more attention to his mistakes and not to what is really worthy of attention. All his cruelty is nothing compared to what the country has achieved under his leadership.
          Quote: lonely
          I’m not saying that everyone was furry. But you must admit that those who were not guilty also suffered.

          I agree those who are not to blame have suffered. Although I have to, nevertheless pay attention that the majority have an indirect relationship. This is the suppression of such a fact before the authorities, concealment, aiding, and, ultimately, the upbringing received by traitors in such an environment. For which the environment got from Stalin.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 11 January 2017 09: 06
        +2
        Quote: Ihrek
        that Stalin was a very wise man and a true patriot of his country, no one should have doubts. Stalin’s decision to deport was not spontaneous. Chechens have long pestered the country even before the war with the Germans, when they had a plan for a simultaneous strike. Fortunately learning about it Stalin harshly stopped this just before the start of the war. If he didn’t solve this problem, we would get, along with the war with the Germans, a war still inside the country and the outcome of the war could be completely different


        So much pathos with zero knowledge of the elementary: deportation was carried out in 1944 g, whereas The Caucasus has long been liberated (-1942-1943).

        So the deportation did not prevent any "simultaneous blow"
        1. Ihrek
          Ihrek 11 January 2017 10: 04
          0
          Quote: Olgovich
          So much pathos with zero knowledge of the elementary: the deportation was carried out in 1944, while the Caucasus was liberated a long time ago (-1942-1943).

          Dear, if you did not understand something, it is better to ask again, but you don't need to make yourself smarter than anyone else, this, at least in this case, does not suit you. I know better than you when, who and for what they were deported. Stalin would not have done it just like that. He took into account all the "merits" of the deported even before the war and during the war too. On the basis of which he made this decision.
          For you personally I explain. Even before the start of the war, they had an agreement, as soon as the Germans attack from outside, military operations against military units begin inside the republic. Stalin appointed the person responsible for pacifying the bandits, giving him 6 months and all the powers and setting the terms of execution if this task was not solved. I will not go deep into how he solved this task, but the fact is that he coped with this task. All gangs were defeated by the start of the war. I only note that a German was appointed responsible, who, during the WWII, switched to the side of the Soviets. Then, after the outbreak of war, the Chechens revived their dark business. Among other things, they prepared for Hitler a horse with a golden bridle, when he was about to defeat the Red Army near Moscow and be the winner. However, their plans were not destined to come true. The Germans suffered a crushing defeat near Moscow, then in Stalingrad. On February 23, 1944, Stalin deported Chechens and Ingush.
  49. Tatyana Shabanova
    Tatyana Shabanova 10 January 2017 19: 19
    +8
    And in the direction of Yeltsin, he does not want to spit who allowed the war in Chechnya how many of our children died and how many of their civilians?
  50. kress42rus
    kress42rus 10 January 2017 19: 25
    +4
    Kadyrov, the people themselves are to blame, the people were now knocking on STALIN. FELL ON THE MURDER EASY