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In the US, experienced a “swarm” of Perdix microdrones

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In the US, they continue to work on the creation, as stated, of the newest weapons, "able to reduce to zero" the effectiveness of any air defense system and missile defense. We are talking about the development of the so-called “swarm of UAVs”, which consists of Perdix miniature UAVs.


In the US, experienced a “swarm” of Perdix microdrones


It is known that the mass of each of these UAVs is no more than 300 g, and they are “fired off” by F / A-18 fighter-bombers.
The first tests of the "swarm" were conducted last fall over the China Lake range in the state of California. The US military command claims that the tests of the swarm of the UAV were generally successful.

The Pentagon’s statement comes from the Tass news agency:
Microdrones have demonstrated advanced “swarm” behaviors, such as collective decision making, an adaptive system in the air, and self-treatment.


By “self-treatment” here, apparently, is meant the dispersion of microdrones in the “swarm” according to its total volume in the event of the failure of one or several unmanned aerial vehicles.

It is emphasized that the “swarm” of the micro-UAV did not need to be controlled by operators from the ground. Their actions were robotic and controlled by a special program.

The Perdix microdrones development, creation and testing program is estimated at no less than 3,8 billion dollars. At the same time, Russian developers of air defense systems have already stated that they have a worthy response to every American swarm in the form of modern and promising types of weapons and advised their American colleagues not to waste money ...
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  1. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 10 January 2017 07: 21
    +11
    Rab has not yet been canceled by anyone)))) so that only the Papuans scare such a swarm!
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 10 January 2017 07: 24
      +12
      That is, in your opinion, do we need to stupidly rely on EW? Very controversial .. request
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 10 January 2017 07: 52
        +17
        Quote: igorka357
        That is, in your opinion, do we need to stupidly rely on EW?

        Already shown a radar that sees such blah. Well, imagine. How much do you need to get to air defense to launch such a swarm
        1. 210ox
          210ox 10 January 2017 08: 24
          +4
          So the whole point of this flock is for the radar to see it as a kind of "cloud" of illumination. Under the cover of which you can strike.
          Quote: Tusv
          Quote: igorka357
          That is, in your opinion, do we need to stupidly rely on EW?

          Already shown a radar that sees such blah. Well, imagine. How much do you need to get to air defense to launch such a swarm
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 10 January 2017 08: 34
            +8
            Quote: 210ox
            So the whole point of this flock is for the radar to see it as a kind of "cloud" of illumination. Under the cover of which you can strike.

            You might think that radar clouds were not seen by radars before. Competent operator one FIG will see the real goal
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 10 January 2017 09: 13
              +14
              It is emphasized that the “swarm” of the micro-UAV did not need to be controlled by operators from the ground. Their actions were robotic and controlled by a special program.

              I think this way: as in every group of people, there is a leader or commander, so in a swarm of drones there should be a "womb". Each of the drones must keep in touch with this womb. What is “collective decision making”? Can people work out a collective solution without communicating with each other? No! So with this swarm, not everything is clear. Whatever program is put into these drones, it is impossible to take everything into account, even a strong gust of wind will nullify all their collective "thinking". There should clearly be a main drone that keeps in touch with the others and gives them a command when their formation is disturbed. I have been adhering to this version for a long time, even if they prove to me that it is not so. If there really is a "womb" in this swarm, then in order to destroy them, you just need to disable this womb and the whole swarm will scatter in different directions "on its own business."
              1. cniza
                cniza 10 January 2017 09: 30
                +7
                We can guess as much as we want until we try in practice - exercises, so be patient, I think it’s not long to wait.
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas 10 January 2017 10: 27
                  +1
                  The swarm control technology itself is promising,
                  I think this is the main thing, it must be practiced and mastered
                  1. Shurik70
                    Shurik70 10 January 2017 22: 22
                    +5
                    Quote: Tusv
                    Already shown a radar that sees such blah

                    The point of a swarm is not that someone "won't see" it.
                    The meaning of the swarm is that its hell will destroy, even if you see.
                    So this is the future of any UAV intelligence. Releasing such a swarm, and you see everything that happens around
                    Very promising thing.
                    1. Shurik70
                      Shurik70 14 January 2017 20: 02
                      +1
                      I found a video of testing a swarm of drones

                      Delivered to a place in an airplane container on a bomb suspension
              2. donavi49
                donavi49 10 January 2017 09: 44
                +8
                Yes, only there is a slightly different algorithm.

                Drone No. 1 uterus - switching with it and with each other.
                Drone No. 1 - dead = new leader Drone No. 2. Etc. All data is duplicated in a swarm - and all drones are identical. Therefore, it will have to be destroyed as a whole.
                1. insular
                  insular 10 January 2017 09: 52
                  +3
                  Quote: donavi49
                  Drone No. 1 uterus - switching with it and with each other. Drone No. 1 - died = new leader Drone No. 2.

                  Excuse me, will they be switched by wire? For who will give them free radio frequencies?
                  1. Yuyuka
                    Yuyuka 10 January 2017 14: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: donavi49
                    Drone No. 1 uterus - switching with it and with each other. Drone No. 1 - died = new leader Drone No. 2.

                    Excuse me, will they be switched by wire? For who will give them free radio frequencies?


                    they telepathically communicate wassat I think all this electronic riffraff can easily be disabled by means of electronic warfare because ours do not bother with comments ... too much a nation of "exceptional" Hollywood is fond of, purely like children hi
                    1. Kent0001
                      Kent0001 10 January 2017 15: 55
                      +2
                      I think another overseas cut of candy wrappers. Please tell me how far this swarm can fly if each horseradish weighs 300 grams and that’s with the weight of the hull, mover, equipment and only then FUEL !!! Anyone (the battery also weighs a little).
                      1. Yuyuka
                        Yuyuka 10 January 2017 17: 14
                        +5
                        I think another overseas cut of candy wrappers. Please tell me how far this swarm can fly if each horseradish weighs 300 grams and that’s with the weight of the hull, mover, equipment and only then FUEL !!! Anyone (the battery also weighs a little).

                        stupid reasoning! for continuous swarm operation, a tanker will fly from behind, a gun will be installed to destroy air defense systems, to reduce visibility, they will move on the ground, for which screws will be replaced with tracks, to protect against electronic warfare, control will be carried out by a specially prepared intelligent system of three people wassat Far from our MO to American sawmill inventors ...
                    2. HERMES
                      HERMES 10 January 2017 16: 21
                      +3
                      You greatly underestimate the threats of such weapons. It is very promising and will really pose a huge threat to the air defense and missile defense forces very soon. Their goal is not to destroy the position ... but to damage radars and radars. Without the latest launchers of S-300 type air defense systems are useless .
                      Quote: igorka357
                      At the same time, Russian developers of air defense systems have already stated that they have a decent response to every American swarm in the form of modern and promising types of weapons and advised their American colleagues not to waste money in vain ...

                      It's time for air defense system designers to stop talking about superiority. Despite the fact that it has a place to be, this does not mean that you need to sit on a high bell tower and spoil the "ecological situation" below.
                    3. iConst
                      iConst 10 January 2017 22: 43
                      +4
                      Quote: Yuyuka
                      they telepathically communicate

                      Nonsense. DARPA spent 1.3 lard of Baku on a flag alarm recognition system - the pilot of the aircraft that released the drones opens the lantern and signals the sow with flags. 100% protection against interference, but a little inconvenient - pilots often lose flags at speed. However, a solution was found - they are given several spare ones.
                      1. Yuyuka
                        Yuyuka 10 January 2017 22: 58
                        +1
                        100% protection against interference, but a little inconvenient - pilots often lose flags at speed. However, a solution was found - they are given several spare ones.

                        your truth ... I just have an incomplete lower education recourse about flags it is taught in senior courses and "not on the record" wassat
              3. andj61
                andj61 10 January 2017 10: 20
                +4
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                If there really is a "womb" in this swarm, then in order to destroy them, you just need to disable this womb and the whole swarm will scatter in different directions "on its own business."

                It is not at all a fact that if this "womb" is destroyed, its role will not be able to take on any other drone of this swarm. This concept has already been used in our anti-ship missiles, however, their weight is not at all 300g.
                F / A-18 combat radius of the order of 1000 km, the combat radius of drones is probably calculated in kilometers, a maximum of several (2-3) tens of kilometers. This is what will come from when planning the fight against them. Yes, and the operating time of these drones is of course. And the fuel supply, or the capacity of the batteries is unlikely to allow this swarm to function for several hours. Wa and the combat use itself is what? In the illumination of a certain area of ​​airspace, which hides a combat aircraft? It is doubtful that this will ride! They will irradiate this area with radars from several sides - and everything will be clear. And shelling this illuminated area of ​​the air defense system is not difficult. If only intelligence - but there are too many difficulties. Most likely, these drones are planned for use against a technically backward enemy, unless this is a banal development of attendants.
                1. insular
                  insular 10 January 2017 10: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: andj61
                  F / A-18 combat radius of the order of 1000 km, the combat radius of drones is probably calculated in kilometers, a maximum of several (2-3) tens of kilometers. This is what will come from when planning the fight against them. Yes, and the operating time of these drones is of course. And the fuel supply, or the capacity of the batteries is unlikely to allow this swarm to function for several hours. Wa and the combat use itself is what? In the illumination of a certain area of ​​airspace, which hides a combat aircraft?

                  Another question is the ceiling ... Does it exceed 1 km in a row. In reality, and half a km.
                  1. andj61
                    andj61 10 January 2017 10: 33
                    +2
                    Quote: insular
                    Another question is the ceiling ... Does it exceed 1 km in a row. In reality, and half a km.

                    good Yes, and on what principle is flight based on them? Propeller? Jet engine? If the propeller, then which engine - ICE or electric? All this leads to an extremely limited scope of such a swarm! hi
                    1. insular
                      insular 10 January 2017 10: 41
                      +1
                      Thank you for your opinion, it is nice to read a person who understands the specifics and features of the use of such toys.
                      Here with you and share my opinion on the applicability of these animals:
                      They are not needed to dazzle Mother Russia, or serious air defense / missile defense, but to dazzle the local area with "babakhs" and ours in Syria, such would be very useful.

                      F-18 at a height throws drones over the area. At an altitude of 300-500 meters above a given square, the cars turn on and freeze.
                      Equipped with the same IR beacons, or target simulators (microwave emitters) pointing down, they hang in the air for no more than 1-2 hours.

                      Rotorcraft demons arrive and level themselves, very calmly, all in a lunar landscape ...
                      Bottom line: cheaply and angrily protected from simple and more complex air defense systems.
                      Sense is a long-acting trap.
                      hi
                      And if among the ons there will still be the simplest electronic warfare systems, then in general beauty.

                      Etozh Alepo could be taken in hours. Literally.
                      1. andj61
                        andj61 10 January 2017 11: 05
                        0
                        Quote: insular
                        Bottom line: cheaply and angrily protected from simple and more complex air defense systems.
                        Sense is a long-acting trap.

                        And if among the ons there will still be the simplest electronic warfare systems, then in general beauty.
                        Etozh Alepo could be taken in hours. Literally.

                        Thanks for the information! hi On this side, I even somehow did not consider their application. But it turns out very beautifully - and precisely for counterguerrilla events. good
                      2. Elevator in the building
                        Elevator in the building 10 January 2017 22: 32
                        0
                        Quote: andj61
                        Quote: insular
                        Bottom line: cheaply and angrily protected from simple and more complex air defense systems.
                        Sense is a long-acting trap.

                        And if among the ons there will still be the simplest electronic warfare systems, then in general beauty.
                        Etozh Alepo could be taken in hours. Literally.

                        Thanks for the information! hi On this side, I even somehow did not consider their application. But it turns out very beautifully - and precisely for counterguerrilla events. good

                        Uh-huh, uh-huh .. And Mother Nature will ask the sons of carminers to sit at home while the drones are hovering. And set the temperature you need. Cut, it is cut. In the future, we will certainly play terminators, but not at all today, and not even tomorrow.
                    2. Yuyuka
                      Yuyuka 10 January 2017 23: 03
                      0
                      Yes, and on what principle is flight based on them? Propeller? Jet engine? If the propeller, then which engine - ICE or electric? All this leads to an extremely limited scope of such a swarm!

                      Expand your meager horizons! Read more !! Everything is described in detail in "Dunno on the Moon"! There, a lunar stone creates the effect of weightlessness, and the American -nauts were on the moon and brought several bags of stones! wassat
                2. vlad_m
                  vlad_m 10 January 2017 13: 43
                  +2
                  Have posted a test video of this swarm

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=191&v
                  = BjRG0CDNSxk

                  And Perdix is ​​from Greek mythology - a student of Daedalus.
                  1. Yuyuka
                    Yuyuka 10 January 2017 14: 09
                    +2
                    And Perdix is ​​from Greek mythology - a student of Daedalus

                    Perdix may come from Greek mythology ... Here are just a lot of foreign words, when adapted to the Russian language, acquire a slightly different meaning repeat in this case, "perdix" is the final product of this program in relation to Russia laughing Especially since the American p (art) ditch, very many military programs are frank "perdix" well, or perd-X hi
                    .
                    1. Alexander Abdrakhmanov
                      Alexander Abdrakhmanov 11 January 2017 10: 43
                      0
                      If the Americans created such drones, and even secret ones, they would not advertise. They advertise to get the money out of the taxpayer. Even in Syria, ours did not use secret weapons so that the enemy would not know. They sent scouts and planes to sniff out something. They even missed our cruise missiles if we didn't show them live. When they showed it, everyone climbed to the cards with a ruler, and began to count. Not even anyone knows exactly how many kilometers the S-400 hits the target. So the task is to get the plane itself to the place of defeat ??? Still no one has canceled powerful directional radiation, you can see it all out of order, they will all die in flight.
              4. ksa4004
                ksa4004 10 January 2017 10: 46
                +3
                it is not so
                There are different situations, sometimes a leader is not needed. The meaning of the swarm is precisely in the absence of leaders
                Is there a leader among testicles of afar or skin cells?
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              6. Bursan
                Bursan 10 January 2017 11: 19
                +3
                Why do we need some kind of uterus and central control? request It seems to me that such a swarm is perceived by the program as a whole, as a group of cells in a single organism (the example is certainly not very good, but nothing else comes to mind in the morning). winked
                The technology is promising, and as soon as the program logic of such an "organism" is worked out, it will be possible to create groups of drones in any quantity, of any size, configuration and weaponry.
                The thing is creepy of course ..
                1. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 10 January 2017 11: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Bursan
                  It seems to me that such a swarm is perceived by the program as a whole, as a group of cells in a single organism

                  In your example, there is a connection between each cell. If this connection is broken, the cell dies. And don’t forget the DNA that controls these cells at the gene level (if I'm not mistaken). It is unlikely that in the near future they will be able to build the same connection between drones.
                  1. Bursan
                    Bursan 11 January 2017 12: 30
                    0
                    It seems to me that this technology is something like a distributed computing system, where each unit is a unit that performs a certain amount of computation. In this case, all units are interchangeable in the event of the retirement of several. Moreover, the current level of development of wireless communications allows for the exchange of data at high speed and considerable distances.
              7. Go along
                Go along 12 January 2017 02: 30
                0
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                I think this way: as in every group of people, there is a leader or commander, so in a swarm of drones there should be a "womb".

                Decentralized algorithms have long been used in network structures; there is no commander there.
          2. Borets
            Borets 10 January 2017 13: 19
            +1
            What do you call a yacht so it will sail)))
            1. mav1971
              mav1971 11 January 2017 09: 57
              +1
              Quote: Borets


              And why should the Anglo-Saxons look like their word sounds in a foreign language?

              Here's your Stalker avatar - why do you need it, who cares so much about Russian?
      2. alexng
        alexng 10 January 2017 07: 52
        +9
        One powerful "impulse" around this flock and this whole pack turns into a pile of blanks falling to the ground.
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 10 January 2017 09: 20
          +4
          Quote: alexneg
          One powerful "impulse" around this flock and this whole pack turns into a pile of blanks falling to the ground.


          How will you do this most "powerful impulse" near this flock?
          How are you going to deliver this "powerful" impulse "to this flock?
          Think before ...
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 10 January 2017 09: 34
            +10
            Quote: mav1971
            How are you going to deliver this "powerful" impulse "to this flock?

            Anything. Ammunition with EMP warheads is not news at all. There are ground microwave generators. Our "Satchel" has even managed to export it to international exhibitions. There are UAVs installed.
            1. mav1971
              mav1971 10 January 2017 11: 10
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              Quote: mav1971
              How are you going to deliver this "powerful" impulse "to this flock?

              Anything. Ammunition with EMP warheads is not news at all. There are ground microwave generators. Our "Satchel" has even managed to export it to international exhibitions. There are UAVs installed.


              Those. Do you think that in any part of the world, where it is possible for a sudden attack by a swarm of UAVs (delivered to the target area by supersonic aircraft), quite "suddenly" there will be a bunch of microwave generators?
              Those. 500 Megawatt-level backpack with power - is it just a very common AK-47 product for you?

              Speaking of EMR, a small quote from the reports of our military scientists ...

              A medium-sized EMBP (100 – 120 mm), when triggered, generates a radiation pulse whose energy is 20 – 40 J. The radiation is generated within millionths of a second, its average power is tens of megawatts, and the peak power is hundreds of times greater. Radiation propagates in all directions from an exploding charge, and the density of its power decreases in proportion to the square of the distance:
              • at radii 6 – 10 m, it is capable of detonating a detonator with separated conductors suspended on a bush;
              • at radii up to 30 m, it is able to disable the “friend or foe” identification system and block the attempt to launch SAM from a portable anti-aircraft missile system;
              • at radii of up to 50 m, the RFEMI stream temporarily or permanently disables non-contact anti-tank magnetic mines.

              These are tens of megawatts.
              Translate to hundreds - the radius of the lesion will increase, but not in proportion.
              There should be no talk of any tens of kilometers in 500 Megawatts.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 10 January 2017 11: 27
                +1
                Quote: mav1971
                Those. Do you think that in any part of the world, where it is possible for a sudden attack by a swarm of UAVs (delivered to the target area by supersonic aircraft), quite "suddenly" there will be a bunch of microwave generators?

                Exactly.
                Quote: mav1971
                Those. 500 Megawatt-level backpack with power - is it just a very common AK-47 product for you?

                You prudently "did not notice" the rest of the methods and decided to concentrate exclusively on ground installations? Wisely.
                1. mav1971
                  mav1971 10 January 2017 13: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Spade

                  You prudently "did not notice" the rest of the methods and decided to concentrate exclusively on ground installations? Wisely.


                  Alas, I just do not know of any real working pattern "in other methods" ...

                  Do you think that there are such missiles of the SAM, URVV classes - which, if necessary, can fly into the coverage area of ​​a swarm of mini-micro UAVs and "extinguish" them?

                  I just heard about the working model of an air bomb (and not weak in caliber) - which can create an electromagnetic radiation with a non-nuclear explosion.

                  Everything else is absent as a class in principle. In the troops and armies of the globe.

                  If you correct me and give, for example, the name of a few really standing weapons, I will be very grateful to you for the information received.
          2. insular
            insular 10 January 2017 09: 35
            +4
            Quote: mav1971
            How will you do this most "powerful impulse" near this flock?

            EW.
            Quote: mav1971
            How are you going to deliver this "powerful" impulse "to this flock?

            This is a stupid question. A clever question: what is the range and speed of this pack of toys so that it gets to the radar and blinds it at point blank range (otherwise it cannot be blinded), despite the fact that the carrier aircraft will be visible for a long time and very clearly.

            One more question: What will happen if multiple targets, albeit false ones, appear suddenly on the radar screens? How long after this will the world survive as we knew it?
            Quote: mav1971
            Think before ...

            Here's a good tip, sorry to the wrong address ...

            Well, the last thing you think, a suddenly flock of birds blinds the radar?)) And will these babies be more effective than pieces of foil scattered in the wind? Do you think that a UAV the size of a dove will blindly blind a radar from a distance of 400 km? Yes, so that a faster target that passed the flash loop was not visible?

            They are trying to throw us hats for their taxpayers with a way to cut, another ...
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 10 January 2017 11: 39
              +2
              Quote: insular
              Clever question: what is the range and speed of this pack of toys

              In my opinion, everything depends on the size of one product. The swarm's capabilities will always be limited by the capabilities of one unit. The engine is limited by the small size of the drone, which means speed, power, maneuverability. Weight, size (and this is aerodynamic capabilities). Even the headwind is more difficult for small vehicles overcome.
              But the most important thing is to deliver the swarm to the target. And again we rest on the size of each unit.
              So only fight with backward countries. But isn’t it easier to bribe their command for the money.
              Although everything can change if they solve the problem with the flight range of the swarm and II. Question then, how much will this project cost?
      3. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 10 January 2017 07: 53
        +5
        What is Roy created for? To neutralize air defense, if they are covered by electronic warfare, then there are no problems. Again, how many drones will fly? Even considering the media? Well, 100km because their energy reserve is small. And this means that it is a rather difficult task to deliver them to a serious air defense system.
      4. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 10 January 2017 07: 54
        +3
        What is Roy created for? To neutralize air defense, if they are covered by electronic warfare, then there are no problems. Again, how many drones will fly? Even considering the media? Well, 100km because their energy reserve is small. And this means that it is a rather difficult task to deliver them to a serious air defense system.
      5. twincam
        twincam 10 January 2017 09: 16
        0
        +1
        this is from the category "from a cannon to the sparrows."
        type, for each swarm there is a mace.
      6. twincam
        twincam 10 January 2017 09: 17
        0
        +1
        this is from the category "from a cannon to the sparrows."
        type, for each swarm there is a mace.
      7. Corsair
        Corsair 10 January 2017 10: 11
        +1
        Quote: igorka357
        we need to stupidly rely on EW? It is very debatable ..

        what Perhaps shrapnel rockets and microwave emitters will do well with such swarms.
        1. Go along
          Go along 12 January 2017 02: 35
          0
          MB volumetric explosion ammunition still fit?
    2. knn54
      knn54 10 January 2017 09: 17
      0
      When the electronic warfare "copes" with the GPS, then you can talk.
      I don’t understand. If "Voennoye Obozreniye" so immediately ONLY for military purposes?
      I imagine how. For example, the paparazzi will be delighted. And the Ministry of Emergencies. Etc!
      So they took up hummingbirds. Respects the attitude of Western specialists to bionics.
      1. insular
        insular 10 January 2017 09: 44
        +8
        Quote: knn54
        When the electronic warfare "copes" with the GPS, then you can talk.

        There is nothing to talk about with such specialists ...
        An elementary civilian jammer of communications muffles to death both GPS and GSM ... How many cars have been stolen with such jammers ...
        Well, a source of powerful microwave radiation will not only dazzle this pack, but it will also burn through the unprotected electronics of the perdix ...
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 10 January 2017 11: 29
          +1
          Military and civil GPS are different signals with different noise immunity.
        2. knn54
          knn54 10 January 2017 11: 45
          +1
          -Elementary civil jammer ...
          HOW MANY meters? And you do not belong to those specialists who need 1 W of transmitter power to communicate with Europe, but 1, 5-Australia ...
          -And about the hummingbird - a good little bird.
          And where does the weight.
          Read what bionics and hummingbird features are.
          -about the Ministry of Emergencies.
          Imagine that you need to monitor DECENT territory / water area for a minimum period of time.
          For the police and special services, too, the thing you need ...
      2. andj61
        andj61 10 January 2017 10: 28
        +1
        Quote: knn54
        I don’t understand. If "Voennoye Obozreniye" so immediately ONLY for military purposes?
        I imagine how. For example, the paparazzi will be delighted. And the Ministry of Emergencies. Etc!
        So they took up hummingbirds. Respects the attitude of Western specialists to bionics

        And what, for the paparazzi and for the Ministry of Emergencies, a swarm is necessary what
        The swarm is just needed for military purposes, in the face of enemy opposition, when the swarm's "mother" is constantly being put out of action, and any swarm drone is ready to take over its functions.
        And about the hummingbird - a good little bird in 300g. Weight is good! It is rather a dove!
        On the other hand, where did you see a dove with a propeller, or, especially, with a jet engine? So these mechanisms have a rather distant relationship to bionics! Unless to compare with the behavior of a swarm of bees, and even then not as mechanisms for flight, but how exactly the interaction of the individual components of the swarm with each other.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 11 January 2017 09: 42
          0
          this would be interesting in the case of:
          1) the delivery vehicle for such a swarm is not an airplane, but something like an inconspicuous glider (such as a long-range glider) or a cruise missile, but it’s definitely not an airplane or a swarm dropping from a great height where strong winds and temperatures are far beyond -30 (respectively minus capacities battery.).
          2) wind resistance of such devices.
          3) complete autonomy because the connection between the birds is easy to drown out, to interfere with - cut off completely, the algorithm - who is ahead of him and dad, the system of recognition of non-response.
          Z.Y. only the scope is incomprehensible, a bunch of mini-spies - then this is a police application - the search for people, equipment, possibly explosives. Creating a spot to detect air defense - so their radars are much less long-range - you need to fly close and know the approximate location almost exactly, but then you can burn them with microwave guns and not necessarily from the air defense position.
    3. max702
      max702 10 January 2017 09: 56
      +1
      it is not clear why this "swarm" to overcome the air defense? Well, somehow it is doubtful .. But for ground operations it would be interesting, for example, to install something like a mini NURSov "rocket bullet" in each one .. Such a swarm flies up to a building or area occupied by the enemy and almost point-blank shoots the defenders .. Especially at night. It is clear that there will be some losses, well, to hell with them, the factories will rivet more .. Just as a means of fighting the infantry, a very interesting idea .. someone will say dear! Duc is nonsense, the current level of technology and the printing press allows you to implement this without really straining .. But a new means of destroying the enemy (especially if he is technologically backward) without risking his soldiers will be accepted with a bang ...
    4. Scoun
      Scoun 10 January 2017 12: 18
      0
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Rab has not yet been canceled))))

      Quote: Tusv
      Already shown a radar that sees such blah. Well, imagine. How much do you need to get to air defense,

      And why did everyone immediately come up against EW air defense?
      What about ordinary industrial espionage and its forms? Are you going to jam all the Barvikha or Balashikha near Moscow with jammers or YuzhMash?
      If you refine them to the necessary requirements of the relevant services ... then this is an excellent means of delivering a camera and microphone to a possible meeting place for at least mafia scientists and politicians.
    5. Maz
      Maz 10 January 2017 12: 57
      +2
      Well, we also tested the drone. such a small one.
      The Pentagon insists that Russia has an underwater drone capable of delivering high-power nuclear weapons. According to information available in the USA, the system is called “Status-6”.

      “Status-6” can move under water up to a distance of 10000 km at a depth of 1000 m at a speed of more than 100 km / h. American experts estimate the power of its thermonuclear charge of about 100 megatons. For comparison, the bomb dropped on Hiroshima had a charge of 16 kilotons.

      According to Pentagon officials, “Status-6” is intended for striking coastal cities, ports, shipyards and naval bases. Undermining the charge causes tremendous damage, and if its capacity is more than 100 megatons, a gigantic tsunami will form, which will cause large-scale destruction over a large distance inland.


      Nehai do not be offended if sho.
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich 10 January 2017 07: 23
    +8
    each of these drones is not more than 300 g, and they "shoot back" andF / A-18 bombers.

    And these planes successfully get off air defense. Together with the drones. yes
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 10 January 2017 07: 51
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      And these planes successfully get off air defense. Together with the drones.

      And the airfields, successfully, of course, by the Iskanders ... along with the planes .. well and so on, increasing to Topol and Sineva, hyper-duper blocks.
      There is no reception against the hat, if our hat ...
      1. insular
        insular 10 January 2017 10: 07
        0
        Quote: AID.S
        And the airfields, successfully, of course, by the Iskanders ... along with the planes .. well and so on, increasing to Topol and Sineva, hyper-duper blocks.

        Distorted, well done. Sit down five.
        But essentially? How will this F-18 go through air defense to get close and throw off its pack?
        What speed should the swarm move to mask the protected target? (and vice versa, at what speed should the protected target move in order to remain in the cloud?)
        1. AID.S
          AID.S 10 January 2017 12: 23
          0
          Quote: insular
          Distorted, well done. Sit down five.
          But essentially? How will this F-18 go through air defense to get close and throw off its pack?
          What speed should the swarm move to mask the protected target? (and vice versa, at what speed should the protected target move in order to remain in the cloud?)

          And where is the plus? By the way, there was still about caps, with an error, but it was.
          In essence, there is nothing to answer, how much F18, what kind of air defense, the composition of forces and means. In Vietnam, there was a Shrike shit rocket with a launch range of up to 15 km, so the commanders told us in training that there was only one way from it — disconnect and pray. And in ambushes, cut down the cable economy and dump right after the shooting. (To the question of how it goes ..)
          Iraq Air Defense? Where is that Iraq? Air defense of Yugoslavia? Where is that Yugoslavia? Everything is handed down by the Americans. And they plan there, and with us, not a couple of specialists from VO and do not post their ideas here.
  3. igorka357
    igorka357 10 January 2017 07: 23
    +13
    Perdix, awesome name .. laughing
    1. Peacemaker
      Peacemaker 10 January 2017 08: 00
      +2
      Such Fa 18 flies and perdix, perdix .... Well, the cure for perdix is ​​a deodorant in the form of an aerosol with superglue or shot. Then he immediately turns into a golden govniks ...
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    3. alex-cn
      alex-cn 10 January 2017 08: 03
      +4
      Actually, Perdix perdix is ​​the Latin name for the banal gray partridge ...
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 10 January 2017 08: 47
        +1
        Quote: alex-cn
        Actually, Perdix perdix is ​​the Latin name for the banal gray partridge ...

        Now it is important for some to have a reason for something "about Perdix" on VO.
        1. insular
          insular 10 January 2017 10: 09
          +1
          Quote: AID.S
          Now it is important for some to have a reason for something "about Perdix" on VO.

          It’s more important for some to yap not to hit, and there at least do not step in at least morning.
          I haven't read a single sensible comment from you about the "competent specialist" yet. All barking and mocking.
          1. AID.S
            AID.S 10 January 2017 12: 49
            0
            Quote: insular
            It’s more important for some to yap not to hit, and there at least do not step in at least morning.
            I haven't read a single sensible comment from you about the "competent specialist" yet. All barking and mocking.

            I agree, since the most sensible and informative commentary in the morning for me was about partridge, thank you, Alex, for the article almost did not mention anything, and the seed was only in the title.
            As for sensible comments, I'm not to judge me, but I will note that I have never presented myself as an infallible guru in the latter ("a competent specialist."
    4. cap
      cap 10 January 2017 08: 20
      +2
      Quote: igorka357
      Perdix, awesome name .. laughing


      The name is cool, but I prefer the amount of sawn dough, that is, dollars, I like it. laughing
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 10 January 2017 07: 24
    +1
    Bredyatina engaged ...

    a good blast wave will sweep them to the ground.

    At worst, electromagnetic weapons can be used ... like children ... they play tin soldiers.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 10 January 2017 07: 28
      +7
      Something they just play, they play soldiers, and they have already played the strongest and most belligerent army in the world! You still know that you can call Kashpirovsky, he will put them on the ground by their power of thought winked electromagnetic weapon damn ..
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 10 January 2017 07: 33
        +17
        and have already played the strongest and most warring army in the world!


        The strongest army in the world can’t cope with barefoot Taliban for a year ... MOSUL has been storming for a month ... hehe ASADA can’t throw everything away ... here is the power of silushka ... pitching ... ambal ... cabinet with microdrones in one word.
        1. DREDD
          DREDD 10 January 2017 07: 37
          +3
          The United States created the Taliban, and Mosul they take unnecessarily.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 10 January 2017 07: 48
            +1
            Yes, the same Lech tries not to look at the root .. laughing , they can’t take Mosul, it means weaklings, but the fact that he doesn’t need amers to be fucked .. he didn’t even think ..
            1. insular
              insular 10 January 2017 08: 02
              +3
              Quote: igorka357
              tries not to look at the root

              I just rightly realized that you are just looking at the root?
              Quote: igorka357
              the fact that he doesn’t need a fucking amers .. he didn’t think about it ..

              OK, I even believed that the information was correct and they didn’t need Mosul, but why did the USA create this appearance with the capture of Mosul and even predicted some wildly short periods of capture?
            2. Same lech
              Same lech 10 January 2017 08: 16
              +2
              Yes, the same Lech is trying not to look at the root .. laughing, they can’t take Mosul, then wimps


              I did not say that they are weaklings smile I say that the power of the United States is too high ...
              remember the film BROTHER with BRODER JUNIOR ... unless the strength is that you have a steeper gun or your muscles are doubled ...
              how many times in my life I have seen people who have broken down with excellent data both smart and strong, and how they meet with insurmountable circumstances, they both break down both morally and morally ... so the United States its policy will invariably lead to degradation of the state.
            3. Alexanast
              Alexanast 10 January 2017 09: 59
              +8
              Igor, and whom they defeated recently, the most, the most, the most duper, SIR
        2. DREDD
          DREDD 10 January 2017 07: 38
          +1
          The United States created the Taliban, and Mosul they take unnecessarily.
          1. insular
            insular 10 January 2017 08: 04
            +1
            Quote: DREDD
            US created Taliban

            How long will it be to equip idiots? Is this probably an over task for super people?
            Quote: DREDD
            and Mosul they take without the need.

            And why the show with the take?
        3. igorka357
          igorka357 10 January 2017 07: 45
          +7
          I understand you, I myself am against American hegemony! You just look the facts in the face, the spheres of influence of American interests on the planet, and control over them, you will be very surprised! NATO bases, and specifically the United States across the planet, against our several , the control of governments throughout Europe, the arms trade is a nightmare at all, the control of oil flows is a nightmare, the control of territories is a nightmare! Russia didn’t stand next to these parasites! Only the great and powerful could resist the United States, when the USSR did not become, they became the hegemons that they remain this day, and not Trump and the collapse of the dollar, in the near future the United States will not collapse, you should not even hope! You just need to take a solid confident step to achieve your goal and rebuild our country, and not put any crap on the site! Americans have the strongest the army in the world, the most well-armed, and staffed! But as for fortitude, so I'm sorry ... you don’t know how the Amer Solzher will behave, protecting his home in Washington ... they fought all their life not on their territory, and didn’t let the war close to their home, do you want to say they didn’t do it right? I repeat, they are our most insidious and strongest enemy, and they are much stronger than Russia in the military-economic plan, and you treat me about the Papuans !
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 10 January 2017 07: 53
            +5
            I repeat once more, they are our most insidious and strongest enemy, and they are much stronger than Russia in the military-economic plan, and you are treating me about the Papuans!


            And whoever objects to this is so ... but this is no reason to sprinkle ashes on your head.
            Glory to GOD there is no war on our territory now and we can develop further and it is only up to us to surrender to us or continue to fight with the strongest state in the world ... even sitting on the couch.

            smile By the way, the US State Department ranks our couch warriors among Russian hackers and blames them for cyber attacks on the United States ... wassat nice no words.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 10 January 2017 07: 58
              +4
              Seriously, there is no war on our territory? Do you even live in any world, Ukraine is a native Russian land, constantly smoldering the Caucasus, Asian countries with their upheavals! Of course, you can sarcastic yourself here even to the point of deflating, but you must see the truth and be able to accept it ! And we don’t sprinkle ashes on our heads, we’ll just listen to you, so we’re all on one left ... this is a silly saying!
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 10 January 2017 08: 24
                +4
                just listen to you, so we all have one left ... it's a stupid saying


                I didn’t say that ... not true.
                But the small VIETNAM managed to give the USA a big kick in the ass ... also apparently from a fright in front of a strong country.
                Further, regarding the Russian lands ...
                getting into an open fight now for the former Russian lands is stupidly risking running into big trouble.
                In the Caucasus, I once said in the 90s there was a large-scale massacre of the Russian population and there were few Russians there ... the power there is in the hands of local rulers with all the ensuing consequences what will happen next ... everything depends on the economy ... will poverty ... there will be war.
                1. Palch
                  Palch 10 January 2017 09: 53
                  +1
                  The same Lech - And where would little Vietnam be now if it were not for the timely assistance provided by the Soviet Li Si Tsyn? Think before you write about who and whom gave a kick in the ass. A nation capable of producing only bicycles and led by the Communist Party, albeit a powerful force ... but alas ...
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                3. igorka357
                  igorka357 10 January 2017 10: 48
                  0
                  Haha, behind the back of little Vietnam, loomed the shadow of such a huge and powerful uncle as the USSR ... You just made fun laughing
              2. insular
                insular 10 January 2017 08: 33
                +3
                Quote: igorka357
                Seriously, there is no war in our territory?

                In Russia, no.
                Quote: igorka357
                Ukraine is a native Russian land

                Lost 25 years ago and now independent. What world do you live in? How do you imagine the return of these lands? The past feudal fragmentation lasted for centuries ... Phantom pains is certainly nice, but let's essentially.
                Quote: igorka357
                smoldering Caucasus

                This is a normal state for the Caucasus, all the same historical retrospective. Is not it? So what can we do, they are our Caucasian brothers, they are restless and sometimes arrogant, but often valuable. And the fact that any state can be loosened is nothing to say. Especially multinational and especially the size of Russia. How would you think too ... Is the USA homogeneous?
                Quote: igorka357
                Asian countries with their coups!
                Are local bai / beks arguing once again over sour apricots? Here's the news ... How long have they generally found civilization? Especially without a solid centralized power, not to fall into feudalism is generally not realistic for those places. They have too much internal contradictions (historical).
                Quote: igorka357
                but you must see the truth and be able to accept it!

                But what is the truth? The fact that the world gendarme crap? That's not news ...
                How many of those gendarmes were ... Where they stood there and stood, still grimy, in their eyes and still they threaten to defeat us, well, right away, right away in two months. And who throws whom caps there?
                Quote: igorka357
                And do not sprinkle our heads with ash

                You do worse, you confuse provocation and dirty tricks with war.
                Quote: igorka357
                listen to you, so we all have one left ... it's a stupid saying!

                But this is already archdiotic, forgive me if it sounds rude, but to write this one, I apologize once again, Nonsense! That we are of the same type in the left, in the news, where we are threatened to fill up with Chinese toys ... This is not serious. Just ridiculous.
                1. Siberian
                  Siberian 10 January 2017 09: 43
                  +3
                  Lost 25 years ago and is now independent. What world do you live in? How do you imagine the return of these lands?
                  -------------
                  25 years is nothing compared to the period when these lands were ours. There are many options for returning land - the history is full of examples. From Anschluss to stupid purchases.
                  1. insular
                    insular 10 January 2017 10: 03
                    0
                    Quote: Siberian
                    25 years is nothing compared to the period when these lands were ours.

                    It doesn’t matter at all.
                    Quote: Siberian
                    There are many options for returning land - the history is full of examples. From Anschluss to stupid purchases.

                    Are there real ones? Especially pleased with the purchase ...
                2. Siberian
                  Siberian 10 January 2017 09: 43
                  0
                  Lost 25 years ago and is now independent. What world do you live in? How do you imagine the return of these lands?
                  -------------
                  25 years is nothing compared to the period when these lands were ours. There are many options for returning land - the history is full of examples. From Anschluss to stupid purchases.
          2. Alexanast
            Alexanast 10 January 2017 10: 06
            +8
            . they fought all their life not on their territory, and not let war close to their homeDo you want to say they didn’t do it right?


            I belittle you ... Did someone attack them?
      2. alexander 2
        alexander 2 10 January 2017 08: 45
        +3
        I do not argue about the most warring and technically equipped. But what is the strongest is unlikely. Syria has shown it. And in Iraq it was not the army that won but the dollar. (They bought up all the top Iraqi generals. Hence the strange behavior of the Iraqi army)
      3. alexander 2
        alexander 2 10 January 2017 08: 47
        0
        I do not argue about the most warring and technically equipped. But what is the strongest is unlikely. Syria has shown it. And in Iraq it was not the army that won but the dollar. (They bought up all the top Iraqi generals. Hence the strange behavior of the Iraqi army)
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 10 January 2017 11: 05
          +1
          Quote: Alexander 2
          They bought up all the top Iraqi generals. Hence the strange behavior of the Iraqi army

          It doesn’t be any stranger: the Guards Tank Division left to stop the advance, and they crushed it with ATGMs and helicopters. They probably didn’t buy the generals there, but disrupted control and, having full intelligence, began to humiliate the Iraqi army in parts. and tactics affected.
          P.S. In "Perdix", the actions of robots are being worked out in a flock without human participation. They will bring them to their senses and be sure to transfer them to heavier machines in one form or another. Why are they not launching such machines in series in series that they dull brains, and the platform and sensors are ready ...
  5. Whack
    Whack 10 January 2017 07: 26
    +1
    Perdix, it is perdix. I have these perdixes apparently, not visible.
  6. jovanni
    jovanni 10 January 2017 07: 32
    +2
    At the same time, Russian developers of air defense systems have already stated that they have a decent response to every American swarm in the form of modern and promising types of weapons and advised their American colleagues not to waste money in vain ...

    Why should they spend their money on them? The main thing is that the response is cheaper and more effective ...
    1. Peacemaker
      Peacemaker 10 January 2017 08: 05
      0
      Fly with a net to catch a bunch of toys for kids ...
  7. igorka357
    igorka357 10 January 2017 07: 32
    +12
    VO grows smaller every year! The Americans are stupid, we will defeat everyone .. one left .. we are the coolest of all, we are smarter than everyone .. And the fact that these parasites have bent half the world, and no matter what methods, no one shouts ! Remember, a stupid and weak rival will not be able to control half of the world, and impose his rules not just on some countries of Europe, but on all of Europe, only a very strong, cunning, and treacherous enemy can do this ... which they are to us!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 10 January 2017 07: 47
      +3
      VO is getting smaller, every year it’s getting stronger!


      Well, yes ... we are all stupid, we throw all our enemies with their caps ... in general, couch patriots.

      On the other hand, they are trying to convince us that the US armed forces are stronger than all the Papuans ... they will crush everyone with one super duper aircraft carrier ... in general, surrender to the stronghold of democracy and do not even dare say something against it.

      Hehe truth somewhere in the middle ... only they know the answer ...
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 10 January 2017 07: 54
        +5
        After all, it is right that they are trying to convince us that the Americans are strong, because because of this we will prepare better! Do you not taste the campaign? When two people from the platoon return to you and say "commander, you said that cowards and weaklings will be against us , and they put us all "then you will sing, or when the platoon returns to you without loss, and says" Commander, but there were only weaklings and cowards ".... you always have to train, and think that your opponent is cooler than you, and stronger .. then you will not notice yourself how you will outgrow your rival multiple times, but if you lie on the stove and think "why do I need this, they are weaklings, I'll blow it out with a club and that's it" .... sorry, you will die in the first couple minutes of battle, because you will think that a stupid American cannot even shoot!
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 10 January 2017 08: 04
          +2
          . You must always train, and think that your opponent is cooler than you, and stronger ..


          I agree ... and this is my slogan ... never give up even if the opponent is stronger than you always have a chance to get out of the fight as a winner (I was convinced from personal experience).
          Well, of course, today the United States is a heavyweight in international politics and it’s quite difficult to fight with such a category as in sports.
  8. hotrod
    hotrod 10 January 2017 07: 45
    0
    Why is this swarm needed?
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 10 January 2017 08: 33
      0
      Here! The right question is not the reasoning of the urapatriots. What does air defense have to do with it? This swarm is primarily created in the interests of ground forces. Battlefield monitoring. And now imagine that such a swarm is being poured from the board of the Su-24 over some gorge or quarter of the city for you. Everything is in fog, smoke, optics do not work .. And here: a distributed survey of the entire route with the ability to carefully look at what is needed in real time. Or additional exploration of targets for self-propelled guns or the situation on the river for pontoons ... Yes, a lot of things really ..
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 10 January 2017 09: 22
        0
        Not only are their intelligence capabilities totally limited, their ability to transmit information is no less disastrous. What is the point?
        1. Dimas54
          Dimas54 10 January 2017 09: 39
          0
          Quote: Spade
          What is the point?

          I do not sympathize with the Americans much, but they are well done. They have money and they try everything new, and this is primarily experience, even if something does not work with drones, but there will be developments, etc. that’s the whole point.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 10 January 2017 10: 10
            0
            Attempts to find out whether it is possible to detect microbes with a hammer are worth your respect.
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        5. Izotovp
          Izotovp 10 January 2017 16: 00
          0
          With all due respect: limited - these are not numbers of frequency and communication range, not spectra and operating time. They are at the beginning of the journey and experience the first decisions. After 10 years, they will shoot such swarms of UAVs from the grenade launcher, and where will we be if we do not invest in the most important person in the army, in ordinary infantry.
  9. Altona
    Altona 10 January 2017 07: 45
    0
    Quote: igorka357
    And the fact that these parasites have bent half the world, and no matter what methods, no one screams!

    --------------------------
    Now any bank is bending you with such methods, such and such methods are credit bondage.
  10. RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 10 January 2017 07: 46
    0
    I recall my childhood: today's boys with slingshots, what is the future of air defense?)))
  11. 100502
    100502 10 January 2017 07: 52
    +1
    Well, as I understand it, they are all just fans of Call of Duty
  12. 231185
    231185 10 January 2017 07: 58
    0
    Probably the most cunning idea, to minimize the effectiveness of air defense, separated, flocked, and took up wide space, and on the radar not one, but twenty aircraft. The chance to bring down a real plane is not great ...
  13. The splinter
    The splinter 10 January 2017 07: 58
    0
    I wonder what flight range these UAVs are ?! The most effective in time to bring down the carrier aircraft.
  14. nrex
    nrex 10 January 2017 08: 09
    0
    Quote: Alex_Rarog
    Rab has not yet been canceled by anyone)))) so that only the Papuans scare such a swarm!

    To be more precise, EMP (electromagnetic pulse)
  15. kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 10 January 2017 08: 26
    +1
    Quote: Peacemaker
    Such Fa 18 flies and perdix, perdix .... Well, the cure for perdix is ​​a deodorant in the form of an aerosol with superglue or shot. Then he immediately turns into a golden govniks ...

    Rather, F-35))))
  16. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 10 January 2017 08: 27
    +1
    I dare to ask. And what is the range of this "swarm"? How close should the carrier of these drones fly to enemy defenses?
  17. Vitalson
    Vitalson 10 January 2017 08: 27
    0
    The next stage in the creation of man is the ant.
  18. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 10 January 2017 08: 28
    0
    At the same time, Russian developers of air defense systems have already stated that they have a decent response to every American swarm in the form of modern and promising types of weapons and advised their American colleagues not to waste money in vain ...

    pulled the network and a swarm of pedriks into the scrap

    Cheap and angry
  19. Kaliostro
    Kaliostro 10 January 2017 08: 34
    0
    And we have good FLYERS!
  20. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 10 January 2017 08: 35
    +3
    do not waste money in vain ... - Caring our boys, American denyuzhki regret!
  21. Hey
    Hey 10 January 2017 08: 54
    +2
    How do these carry a draft in the form of wind? And if something blows harder?
    How do you feel about frost? Do they like snow, fog and other delights of the weather?
    And the mountains respect where the ascending and descending and other air currents, discharged air? Can the sea be loved with salt waves and splashes? Or maybe they prefer the desert with its gentle sand?
    If it is a one-time action piece, one, if reusable, others. Their weight, dimensions, material of manufacture, range of flight from here and the development of tactics of counteraction.
    1. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 10 January 2017 18: 36
      0
      It seems that you have the only correct comment on the article.
      My child had a loaf yesterday weighing 450 grams. in a packet blown away by the wind)))), but they say loaves do not fly.
      Such toys in the North will definitely not work.
  22. Watchdog
    Watchdog 10 January 2017 09: 01
    0
    In general, technologies based on swarm intelligence are very interesting. Nature invented it long before the Americans. So some ancient cities (!) On the territory of South America were destroyed by invasions of large ants. So the idea is promising, and I think it would be nice for our techies to work on it. With our ingenuity, it can turn out even cooler than the amers. Regarding the neutralization of air defense and missile defense with the help of a swarm of mini drones - let the experts argue - I don't know. Only I believe that if the swarm is a self-organizing autonomous system, then it reacts to changes in the environment. As it is written - the swarm is self-healing. Accordingly, we launch there a flock of "predatory" quadrocopters, with similar software, armed with light automatic weapons, and begin to crumple and tear the indicated swarm in four or five directions. Quadrocopters do not need to be delivered to the site - they may already be placed in problem areas. The maneuverability of the quadcopters is very high. It would be interesting to see it!
  23. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 10 January 2017 09: 37
    0

    This we passed ...
    And here is the remedy
  24. BOB044
    BOB044 10 January 2017 09: 44
    0
    The Pentagon’s statement comes from the Tass news agency:
    Microdrones have demonstrated advanced “swarm” behaviors, such as collective decision making, an adaptive system in the air, and self-treatment.
    As with the hacker attacks of Russia on the US Democrats. Again wishful thinking. hi
  25. Aviagr
    Aviagr 10 January 2017 10: 17
    +2
    I will say one clever thing - because here I am one smart. laughing
    These petrodactyls - only a means of working out algorithms!
    Minimum dimensions fat on megahertz and gigabytes of programmers in terms of writing OPTIMAL in size and performance Algorithms and programs for joint interaction of Flock of drones when they emit bluetooth signals: i.e. you need to be FAR enough from EVERY individual of the flock not to collide, but at the same time - CLOSE enough to make it look like a flock ...
    And then place this algorithm on any UAVs, even on my own from PVC - it can be gradually complicated there: search and prioritization of targets, their division into groups for destruction, attack on targets from different sides, etc.
    Just telling taxpayers that "now we are only playing for 3,8 billion" - they will not understand and peck. So they puff out their cheeks.
    There is a time for everything - and we him (FPI, General Staff, Lopatovs ..) - prosir * eat ...
  26. nesvobodnye
    nesvobodnye 10 January 2017 10: 36
    0
    A swarm can be thought of as cluster munition. Are they banned?
  27. Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo 10 January 2017 11: 17
    0
    use such a swarm as intelligence ... (while the technology is clumsy, but very promising)
  28. Taygerus
    Taygerus 10 January 2017 11: 24
    0
    300 g, and what is the radius of this swarm, I think that upon approaching, the carrier will already be shot down with these flies, yes, and if we take into account that the swarm covers the real target, say an airplane, then what speed can 300 gram drones have, how are they together fly at the same speed
  29. Machete
    Machete 10 January 2017 11: 44
    0
    The name itself already speaks of their future in the war with us. )
  30. kaschey
    kaschey 10 January 2017 11: 46
    0
    For any swarm, a good beekeeper will have his own swarm trap.
    The main thing is not to miss the time for fishing ........
  31. Machete
    Machete 10 January 2017 11: 48
    0
    Did the Americans think about the banal interception of the control signal?
    For a long time already, any most advanced drones have been planted at a time.
  32. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 10 January 2017 11: 52
    +2
    With these "partridges" (Perdix), this is just a demonstrator - working out the software for
    the work of the swarm. A swarm of more serious birds with attacking capabilities will be allowed into battle.
    1. Aviagr
      Aviagr 10 January 2017 12: 38
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      it's just a demonstrator - software development

      Do you plagiarize ?! Although - whom am I asking ... wassat
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 January 2017 13: 42
        +2
        Sorry, I did not read your post. It turned out plagiarism sorry! but not on purpose.
    2. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 10 January 2017 13: 05
      +2
      Question.
      A relatively advanced Sentinel in Iran was planted - GPS signal substitution.
      How will the swarm of "birds" be oriented in conditions of active electronic warfare?

      Embed in every inertial guidance system? - She has a very high error for precision weapons (roughly speaking, she does not take into account the drift from the wind off course).
      Determined by the optical channel? - a very expensive and not the most reliable technology - the installation of a smoke screen, weather conditions (fog) interferes with guidance through the optical channel.
      Determined by radio - will not allow electronic warfare.
      In fact, that countering the swarm, that countering AWACS are tasks of a similar order, and AWACS "pressed" back during the Cold War.
      The lighter the UAV, the more significant its restrictions on weather conditions (rain, wind, cold).

      A danger can be a swarm of UAVs with a combat load of 3-5 kg ​​and a range of 15-50 km. Again, if the issues of independent geolocation of the swarm on the battlefield in the conditions of electronic warfare, interference of the optical range are resolved.

      Of course, with the advent of a swarm of shock UAVs, swarms of interceptor UAVs should appear.
      Or powerful enough EMP.
  33. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 10 January 2017 12: 14
    +1
    From the article:
    advised American colleagues not to waste their money ...


    Do not advise! Let them spend their green on any nonsense. And the useful from this development will still be with us ... wink
  34. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 10 January 2017 12: 32
    0
    From this swarm can protect the structure from the netting of a chain-link ... To have a chance to massage around an air defense, pull a chain-link or something like that ...
  35. koshmarik
    koshmarik 10 January 2017 12: 36
    +1
    I remember in the 80s, Americans conducted tests of something similar in space - they sprayed foil, nails, etc. as time showed turned zilch. As for mini drones, then one battle of the supply of a volumetric explosion is more than enough to completely destroy this fun swarm.
  36. Dwarfking
    Dwarfking 10 January 2017 12: 38
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    Perdix say? Oh well. What do you call a yacht ....
  37. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 10 January 2017 12: 47
    +2
    Let's talk about the danger posed by such swarms of drones?
    (I have some experience operating civilian versions of light and ultralight drones)
    Consider the performance characteristics
    Weight is 300 grams, so the payload does not exceed 100 grams, and the range is 3-5 km.
    If this is a reconnaissance drone, then why swarm to act?

    If shock - what kind of payload is 100 grams? Not serious.
    If the jammer is responsible, then its power supply will not allow significant active interference, and very insignificant passive interference, there are much cheaper alternatives for jamming.
    So far, the prospects for effective use are vague.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 January 2017 13: 40
      +1
      I think the selected super-light drone is just a demonstrator
      the correct operation of software and electronics.
      They are not sorry to lose on the tests. When the swarm’s action logic is fulfilled,
      drones will be replaced by more expensive and lethal ones.
  38. Sergey F
    Sergey F 10 January 2017 12: 52
    0
    Whatever the child would entertain, if only she would not cry!
  39. byxarik1
    byxarik1 10 January 2017 13: 33
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    https://youtu.be/BjRG0CDNSxk
  40. Titsen
    Titsen 10 January 2017 13: 51
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    Quote: cniza
    We can guess as much as we want until we try in practice - exercises, so be patient, I think it’s not long to wait.

    Quote: cniza
    We can guess as much as we want until we try in practice - exercises, so be patient, I think it’s not long to wait.


    In Syria?

    You can wait indefinitely!

    Like a T-50 fight with a Raptor or F-35.

    But you can fantasize forever and forever!
  41. Yugra
    Yugra 10 January 2017 13: 58
    0
    Something the name does not inspire confidence in me. Some kind of Perdix. So will the result ...
  42. lav67
    lav67 10 January 2017 14: 10
    0
    how not to spend ... and to master the loot of American taxpayers?
  43. Black
    Black 10 January 2017 14: 17
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    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    you just need to disable this uterus and the whole swarm will scatter in different directions "on their own business."

    This is just being solved not at all simple. As soon as the Leader was killed, his place in the ranks is occupied by the following, another ... etc.
  44. Valkh
    Valkh 10 January 2017 14: 57
    0
    What?!? - Firm "PERDIX" is strong !!! lol
  45. satum
    satum 10 January 2017 15: 41
    0
    These drones are only effective for them. for us they are already out of date bully
  46. Aristide
    Aristide 10 January 2017 22: 44
    0
    Apparently, the Russians will have to answer the Russians with “Don't care” to the American Perdix!
  47. Gavril
    Gavril 11 January 2017 03: 02
    +1
    Have you thrown hats?

    Now imagine that you are holding a position, and a similar swarm is flying at you, but with trunks! You know how fast they fly, at the speed of "hitting"!

    Such technologies have enormous prospects, the only question is the cost of a unit!
    1. tasha
      tasha 11 January 2017 07: 21
      0
      Not with trunks, it will be a swarm of kamikaze UAVs. The idea of ​​"fire and forget" is evolving. If earlier cruise missiles possessed collective intelligence, now they are gradually moving to a mini-level.

      With the transition to the micro-level, the battlefield will be a rather creepy place. When it comes to nano-technology ....
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 11 January 2017 09: 52
      0
      Quote: Gavril
      now imagine that you are holding a position, and a similar swarm is flying at you, but with trunks! You know how fast they fly, at the speed of "hitting"!

      There will be "bees" and there will be countermeasures, microwave guns, large-caliber rifles or machine guns with buckshot, a net (metal, nylon or carbon - they shoot towards the swarm and collect all this ragweed in a bunch of small ones)
      1. tasha
        tasha 11 January 2017 11: 01
        0
        Of course, as drones develop, means of dealing with them will develop. But I, perhaps, would not be so optimistic.
        Click here for a more complete article on the Perdix system. Be sure to watch the video. Impressive.

        Imagine the consequences of the first strike on a potential enemy on day X. Or, for example, a protected area in the center of which there is a base station, and around a swarm of drones roam. Or an infantry company on the defensive, over which a container with gliding arrow-shaped striking elements, distributing targets and hovering at the signal of any transmitter, the sound of breathing, body heat ...

        https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-R
        elease-View / Article / 1044811 / department-of-defense
        -announces-successful-micro-drone-demonstration
  48. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 11 January 2017 14: 24
    0
    they are “fired back” by F / A-18 fighter-bombers.

    This plane still has to manage to fly to the area of ​​the shooting. In the presence of decent air defense systems, this is extremely difficult!
    1. tasha
      tasha 11 January 2017 14: 46
      0
      where is your imagination? Everything is just beginning ...
      Drones can be launched from a civilian airliner, drop a capsule from a satellite, shoot ammunition filled with drones, throw from your hands, pour into water ... Here is my imagination wink
  49. TOR2
    TOR2 11 January 2017 20: 36
    0
    as it was stated, the latest weapon, "capable of nullifying" the effectiveness of any air and missile defense system. We are talking about developments on the creation of the so-called "swarm of drones", which includes miniature UAVs Perdix.

    The UAV swarm involves the deployment of an information field. Where are they going to deploy it? Over enemy territory. They will pay for this impudence and quite quickly.
  50. ronnon
    ronnon 12 January 2017 00: 47
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    Again, green loot in the pipe))